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So you guys, if you have not watched part 1 of Mara Murray, I'm going to link that down in the description box below because that was almost a two hour video that I made going through everything with this case and all the spinning parts as we say a lot that are around this case. But if you are familiar with the Mara Murray case or you've watched other documentaries about it or there's a podcast about it, then obviously you don't need to watch part 1. I put part 1 up just for the people who are not familiar with this case, which Jessica, you were not familiar with this case, were you? I'd never heard of it. No, I'm not familiar. And I look into missing persons cases, but see, I never know that I'm getting a missing persons case because I'm doing coordinate remote viewing where I'm tasked with some coordinates. Sometimes I never find out what that target was. But I do get missing people in cold case targets pretty often. Yeah. And I want to be very clear, guys, because this is almost a 20 year old case, we've talked about this before with like any time. I think Jessica and I are kind of on the same page when it comes to divination when we're dealing with other people. There are laws of consent. And so, you know, people do have the right to go missing, but from my research that I've done into this case and my own speculation, I don't think that she's alive. I think, and I said that in part 1, I think that she is dead. And so we are dealing with closure for a family, figuring out what happened to her. I think I know what happened. I think I have theories about what happened to her. And I also think there's this term called Occam's razor. Have you heard of this, Jessica? Where it's basically the most likely scenario is probably what happened, right? And we're going to get into all the different theories and what, Jessica, Jessica, do you first want to go ahead and give what I'll throw the pictures? Because guys, she sent me last night, she sent me all of her, her data, her data. Yeah, I'm like, I don't know what you call it. And I was like laying in bed reading through it. I almost got emotional because you hit and I knew when I knew when I was reading it that you had no idea what it is. You were actually like, you were just writing information down. And because I know the case in this case has haunted me for years now. For some reason, this case has really, I think a lot of people are very haunted by this case. When I was reading your data, I was like, holy shit, she hit it. And I don't even think she knows what it is she hit. So that's when I told you, Mara Murray, go look her up. And you said you watched some stuff this morning. So do you want to go through what you got first? And then we can kind of have a conversation about all the theories that people have and how this, some makes sense and some don't. And what we think is going on with Mara at the time of her disappearance. Oh, yeah, totally. Okay. So you had given me some coordinates. Okay. And they were 22448877. And that's what you gave me. And it took me a couple of days to get around to remote viewing this because I do a lot of remote viewing and I can only do so much in a day. And so I did this one. I think I just did this yesterday, actually. And yeah. So I went in not knowing what this was and I will go over some of my sensory data. And then I'm going to go over some of my analytic overlay data. And then we're going to talk about that stage three drawing I did, which was really interesting. And then we'll go over my stage four data now. So remote viewing is locating a target that is unknown, that I have no idea what it is by court. And this is coordinate remote viewing. There's different modes of remote viewing. The one that I did for this target specifically was coordinate remote viewing. And I like doing that because you can write everything down. It has a date and a time stamp on it when I did it. And it's all there, cut and dry for me to hand into a detective or the family or whoever's tasking me with these targets. Okay. And like I said, I did not know what this target was. And so I immediately, when I'm remote viewing, I write charts. I write out ideograms. It's like automatic writing. And I start flooding in or the major, like I'm starting to like get all this information that floods in when I sit down to do these targets. And I just write it down and there's a place for everything for me to write down. So I can do me to give you like an overview before I get into the data. And I have Jessica because I hope you don't mind me saying this for audience. I know that you got very emotional remote viewing this person. You didn't know, obviously, what it was. But so my question is, and I, because I get emotional with this case, this is a very emotional case. And maybe it's because for me, Mara was like nine months older than me. And so looking back at 2004 when she went missing, knowing what the world was like then with, without, you know, knowing being that age myself and how sometimes you blow up when you're in your early 20s, sometimes things happen and you think that's the end of the world when it's actually not the end of the world. You know, and just knowing the stress that she was under, I can totally understand getting emotional. So when you were remote viewing, are you just given information? Are you viewing the situation through the target's eyes? Both. All of it. Yeah. And I'm even able to get in and see through the, if I'm detecting a person in the environment, I'm able to do what we call a deep mind probe. So I'm able to go in there and actually ask them questions and get answers. I mean, I've located missing people like that before who are deceased and I have to give, I have to put out a little note here for everybody. A lot of, I'm going to say 99% of the targets that I've been tasked with with missing persons, they were deceased. Okay. So a lot of the people that I am tasked with have died. And in a lot of times I am locating, I'm talking to them, asking what happened. I can have them lead me to kind of like the area where their body is or like landmarks and things like that. Like I can see. So it's just, it's a long process. Remote viewing is a process because, and it's very draining by the way, super draining, especially when it comes to violent crimes. Okay. And missing children and things like that. I have been asked, you know, when I never went public as being a remote viewer for at least 10 years. And because I'm a big field researcher, first and foremost, and I was taught remote viewing through that research. Okay. From the research that we do. And people started would attack me occasionally when I first went public and they said, why are you not finding all these missing people you talk about these national parks? I do. Okay. I do. I just don't talk about it publicly. And it's, it's so draining, Bryce. It's, it's really draining to do things like this. What there is, I'm actually hoping and there, there is a, the family does run a website about more. I try and cause the family is still looking for closure. And I know that there's been another big site. There's been lots of psychics who works, who work this case, one of them being a big one, Alison Dubois, who the show medium was about her. And she actually picked up a lot of the same things that Jessica picked, which we're going to get into what Jessica picked up on. And she said something that she's looking through Mora's eyes. And, and she was explaining a lot of terror, a lot of fear. And she also, in one of the docu series of the interviewer, she actually looks at the camera when they say what happened to her and she goes, are the parents going to, I'm not, I get, I kind of just got like a wave of emotion when I said that are the parents going to be watching this? Because there is a sensitivity to the fact that this is a human being. And there are family members out there that have to live with the knowledge that they don't know what happened to their sister, their daughter. And the family from what I, from the, through the interviews that I've seen with like the father, the mother has since, the mother actually passed away on Mora's birthday five years after her disappearance, which is wild. So the father is the one that's still going strong, trying to get answers for, for Mora's disappearance. And the family from what I have seen in their interviews do accept that she is probably dead. They, they, so they accept that. They understand that that's probably what happened to her. Again, you guys, there's a huge other theory, especially by James Renner. I was telling, this guy just ordered his book, True Crime Addict, How I Lost Myself in the Mysterious Disappearance of Mar-Murray. And he is the one that really has this big theory that she ran off to Canada, started a life in Canada. And I, I said this in part one, I think I said this in part one. I don't think James Renner is a bad person. I think he just got caught up. He's a father himself, I believe. I think human nature, we want to believe that when someone goes missing that we, we want to, we want to give them that under dog story of like they, they, they conquered whatever it is. They, they're having a new life now. But they, but a lot of people have spoken to experts who specialize in, and people who disappear willingly. And that is very hard to pull off. It is very hard for someone to pull off disappearing willingly and changing their identity and not having any contact whatsoever with their outside, with, with the outside, with the world they knew before. And so I just want to, I want to put that out there. And you could see with Alison Dubois as well when they were working with her, just how her face would change, experiencing what Mora would have been experiencing just moments before I believe she was murdered. I think that's what you, the consensus that you have to Jessica is that she was probably murdered. And with that being said, I do plan on sending a link to this video to the family. Not for any other reason, just for them. I'm not asking them to call my channel. I'm not asking any, I just want to make that very clear. It's not for any type of publicity. I just, I think Jessica, you as in me and most of our audience watching as a person being, if we were in their shoes would want, I would want my sister's body. I would want to be able to put everything to rest and give her whatever type of burial or service that, that she has not, I want to make that clear too, but when I understand she has not been legally declared dead yet, which I believe that they've done that strategically, because I think it's like after four years or something there's like a time period where you could legally declare someone dead, I don't know if they're dead. I think they've done that in order to keep the, to keep it, so it doesn't get archived, right? To still keep it a missing person's case in hopes that the police will actually do more, which we'll get into the police later, because that's a whole other can of worms right there, but yes, I get what you're saying. To make a long story short, Jessica, I totally get the absolute respect to the life that was lost and to the family that and the friends that have suffered that loss and don't have any answers as to what happened to their loved one. And if Jessica's remote viewing can help the family or anybody find closure or find the body, then I think it's fair to say, Jessica, that that was what we want to happen in order for them to have that closure that they need for their daughter and for their sister and their friend, you know. So, all right, girl, I'm going to hand it over to you now and I'm going to put the camera on you and let you just tell the audience what you got. Okay, so this, this was a really hard target for me to do. Okay, it didn't start off that way because I didn't know what this was. And so I'm seeing, I'm sensing all this sensory data is coming in. It started off seemingly not terrible and some of my sensory data included adorned or adored covered, flighty, amazing, happy, okay. And I was, I was like, okay, this is going to be a cool target. It seems pretty happy, happy. And then I, and then, and then some more data came in and I got disjointed, breathing, alone, graceful, spinning, lunging, covert, and then I got dragged and abused. Okay, and this is not, this is not going to be a super easy thing to talk about today. And I want to be very, it's, it is very sensitive. And so I'm not even sure if I'm going to be able to disclose every single thing that I experience because it's, it's, it's pretty bad. It's pretty rough. Okay. But I was, so me trying to make sense of some of that data I write down, it's called analytic over. And some of the things I wrote were, I was picking up on like jewels. Okay. Like I got adorned and so I was seeing like jewels and stuff. I don't know. I heard happy wife, happy life. You know, that may have nothing to do with anything, but I read that down. And then I heard upside down or upside down world. We live in upside down world. And then I picked up on breath work because I was hearing and sensing breathing and, and it was like control breathing. And then I heard solemn, like being alone, like solemn. And then I heard checked. And then I was picking up on being athletic, somebody that was super athletic, potentially a dancer. I was even picking up on like ballet or some kind of dancer, some kind of sport. Okay. Where you're, I was like, you said breath work. I got chills up and down my spine. She was a long distance runner, like one of the top runners in high school. She got scholarships and a lot of people. We said breath work. A lot of people, that's why people think she ran across the Appalachian Mountains in the dead of winter because she was an athlete. And so she could take in more oxygen running up the mountains which we're getting to. But when you said breath work, I was like, holy, holy shit. Yeah. She was, she was a very hard core, like I would say borderline Olympic level athlete. So yeah, very physically fit. So anyway, all right. Keep going girl. Sorry. I was just like boom. That is that. Yeah, she was. Okay. So I was just, I was picking up on someone that was super athletic and I, and I wrote down, this is what I wrote down because I, you know, I'm just putting out anything that comes into my head or I'm sensing I write it down. I don't discount anything. Okay. So I wrote down dancer dancing. I even wrote belly dancing. Okay. In ballet. I heard a hidden treasure, hidden value, hidden talent. Okay. Hidden value. Then my data, this is still, this is like my stage one and two data for the first page that I got. And then it kind of went, it started, the data started changing a little bit. And I actually wrote down the word Muslim. I wrote down drag down. And then I heard clear audience put in her place. And then I got her knockout. So knockout. Okay. And I wrote what is called stage three data. I wrote down what I thought was a hat with a rose on it, like a flower. But after I went back and analyzed the data, I do believe that is a grave marker. Okay. I think I wrote down a grave marker. And I'm not sure if you have the data to show the audience today. But there's a drawing and also like a squiggly line almost looks like a portal or something. Or that could represent like, I'm going to say breath work or something. But I did some sketching. Okay. So in my stage four on my second page of data. Okay. Once I started the last bit of that data and I was picking up that somebody was dragged and abused. Okay. Well, I hadn't gotten to that part yet. But yeah. I heard put in her place and knocked out. I got very emotional. And actually there's a place to be. And I'm not going to say actually there's a place to write that to you on the data. And I was I was crying upset devastated. And I was very sad. Okay. For the entire rest of this target that I was in the session that I was in, I was devastated. Okay. Like I couldn't stop crying. And. And so I heard. Okay. Some of my sensory data that I was sensing was tempted. And I got like the word temptress. Okay. Like temptress. Like somebody is being tempted released. Released. Closed in and like in the dimensional data, like I felt like I was being closed in in a space like a tight space. And I and I was closed and something was shut. Okay. Shut released. Closed in shut. And I started sweating really bad. Not me personally. Okay. But this is almost like I was living through whatever this target was. I was I was shut in somewhere. I was shut in somewhere. I was very sweaty. And I started smelling just odor. Okay. And it was and I wrote it down on the paper. It was like sweaty from a performance like how I grew up dancing and performing arts. And I was a singer and all that stuff. And I played sports too. So it was almost like a locker room smell or like after you get done with the performance, you've got on like these like polyester tights and suits and everything like your leotard. And you put on like you're super sweaty. That was what I was experiencing was like I actually wrote down this like the scent that you get like backstage after everybody's like worked their butts off, you know, and you got that odor. Okay. Like sweaty and salty. Okay. So I was I was feeling like super sweaty and salty. And yeah. And I wrote down powerful and I was picking up on like, oh gosh, I don't know if I hate talking about this, but I was picking up on like pantyhose. Okay. And tights. And I and I heard a sweat equals power. Sweat equals power in a trance state. Okay. So I wrote that down. Okay. And then I was picking up on something to do with an initiation. Okay. An initiation. Something to do with some secret knowledge. Okay. Some secret knowledge. I wrote down something that was below and under under or under and below. I heard under the radar. Something was under the radar. I heard target. I wrote down target and then I heard make contact. Okay. I heard that I heard that clear audience. And then whatever this target was was very emotional. And then it made me start crying. I got overwhelmed and started crying. I wrote down holding and then I wrote down holder. There was something about secret knowledge. I kept getting this information about ancient secret knowledge. And it was almost like an initiation. And then I wrote down as above so below. So it almost brings like an occultish element into all of this. Okay. Because I did pick up on as above so below ancient secret knowledge. And then I heard goodbye. Goodbye. I literally heard somebody say goodbye. And I ended the session right there. I only went to stage four on this one because I was so upset and so overwhelmed by the data that I was getting. It did appear that somebody was taken, dragged, put under some abuse of some sort. And ultimately I do not believe that they're still living. So a lot of that makes sense to me, especially the beginning when you got happy. So let's just basically recap what had happened to Mara Murray in her life to see you guys understand kind of the emotional state that she was probably in. Because first and foremost we don't, the big question is what was she doing on that road in the middle of the night? She was at this point a student at UMass, University of Massachusetts at Amherst. She was 21 years old, very young. She had just transferred from UMass from West Point and she was like 140, 150 miles away from the school that night. And nobody knows, nobody knew she was going up there. I know I have a theory as to why she was up there. So we got to back up a few, we got to go back to an incident that happened to her at West Point. Now Mara, from what it seems, I want to make an apology guys. Jessica and I are from the south. And so I realized when I saw her parents and the family speak of her, they're Boston people. And Boston people have very thick New England accents. And they say Mara as Mora. Mora. We're in the south, we kind of say Mora. It's kind of how we say it. So I'm not, I don't want to like, no disrespect. That's just our accents are just different. And so, you know, when you hear them say her name, it's more of Mora. Whereas we might, and I tried in the part one to say it Mara instead of Mora. That's just our southern accent guys. So anyway, with that being said, Mara came from a very, what it seems to be a very, very loving family. Like she, she was very loved by her, her, and as you can see her dad is still fighting for, to find out information about what happened to his daughter. There were five kids. She had an older brother, Fred Junior. She had Julie Kathleen or Kathleen and Julie and Mara were around the same age. And then Curtis was the younger brother. So, no, sorry, four, four kids there, that's four right there. No, that's five because that was Fred, Kathleen, Julie, Mara, Curtis. So five children. Now the younger brother, Curtis was from her mother's second marriage, but they were very, very close. Julie and Mara were the two athletes. So they were and the father, and that's one thing James said too hard. But nobody else claims that. They all say the father was just coaching them. And when the parents divorced, I get that with the dad. Like that's a good way for dads to be involved in their child's life is to coach them and help them with sports. You know, that's a common, common bond a child would have with a parent. And, you know, and Fred has always said the minute the girls didn't want to run anymore, then that's fine. I mean, they were exceptional runners. Like she had a scholarship to West Point. Y'all West Point. I mean, they don't just accept anyone. It's a military for our friends watching from other countries. This is a military school. And Julie, the older sister had already been accepted to West Point and Mara got accepted. Well, I'm going to tell you guys, I love to exercise. I'm a hardcore exerciser, but I don't like being told what to do. And I would not last a week at West Point, I don't think. Because, you know, you go to college, most universities, you got your school work and stuff, but you're partying. You're kind of exploring your boundaries as a young adult. You know, you're kind of, that's kind of your dumbass dipshit years where you're kind of experimenting with, you know, and I actually think that's really healthy for kids to have that time when they're still kind of young, but they're also maybe making some adult decisions. So, but in West Point, that's not going to be the case. Like in West Point, you're not going to gain the freshman 15. Like you're on a strict regiment, workout, military style. And I think in a lot of ways Mara did West Point or agreed to take, accept the scholarship to West Point because it made her family happy. So I do think she was, but that doesn't mean her family were abusive. I think a lot of us do that. And I think by the time she, she had gone before, before the disciplinary disciplinary committee at West Point like seven times. And then she actually shop lifted makeup from Fort Knox. Yo, Fort Knox is the most secure place in the United States. Right. They made jokes about that. Like it's more secure than Fort Knox. You know. So the fact that she did this, like, and it was like nail polish or something. And it's not like she couldn't afford like, you know, for me, it was like, it seemed like one of her friends, to interview one of her friends in one of the podcasts I listened to from West Point. And she said that afterwards, she was like, Mara, why did you do that? She was like, I don't know. I don't know. But it got her kicked out of West Point basically. And so I kind of see that as a cry for help. I don't think she wanted to be there anymore. I don't blame her. I just don't think she didn't know how to disentangle herself from that situation. She was a straight A student in high school. She did really well. She was always, you know, so when you start to think for yourself and you're not, you know, I think that, I mean, I don't judge her for that basically. So then she got accepted into UMass where she changed her major to nursing. Her mother was a nurse. And everything, she made friends really quickly. She had this little group of girlfriends. Everything was all well and good until it was like November 2003. So this is a few months before she disappeared. She got caught using a credit card number from another girl that lived in the dorm at UMass to order food. It was like $79 worth of charges. And so she got brought before a judge. And the judge was like, listen, you're young. It's under $250. You were buying food. It's not like you were buying trips to Disney World. You know, just pay, if you could pay the money back to the victim. And if you can stay clean for three months, we'll take this off your record, which is really important because if it was on her record, it would have, she would have been charged with a credit card fraud and identity theft. So she would, that would affect her getting jobs in the future. That affects a lot. And so I do think this judge, she got lucky with this judge. Okay. And I was, she went before the judge in December of 2003. So this is like a couple months before she disappeared. All is well and good until about February 5th of 2004. And y'all, my birthday is February 4th. February 4th, I don't know exactly where I was when all this started because I just turned 21 myself, you know. So I look back at that. That's what's wild. Like you look back at where you were when somebody else around your age was going through what they were going through. Well, February 5th of 2004 is when people kind of marked the beginning of her disappearance because she had all these part-time jobs. One of them was for a security, a security job at her school. So it wasn't like, again, it wasn't like she was hurting for money. She had jobs. Her family was middle age. They were very supportive. Her stealing had nothing to do with survival. It was, it was obviously something was going on with her. Around 10, she got to her shift at 10.30 at night. Around, the first call she gets is from her sister Kathleen. Now, her sister Kathleen had been in and out of rehab for drug and alcohol abuse. And the little brother people have made a big deal about this. Like her sister must know more because her sister gets very tight-lipped. And her brother, Curtis, from the Murray podcast, said, no. My sister, Kathleen, has struggled with drugs and alcohol because when she was 19, she was engaged to a man who committed suicide and blamed Kathleen and his suicide letter. So that, that's why she, that, that was what was going on with his sister. It had nothing to do with Mara. But anyway, Kathleen had been in some rehab facilities. She called Mara. There was some speculation that maybe Kathleen had started drinking again and Mara was a little upset about it. Understandably so. Now, around midnight, her boyfriend, Billie Roush, who has been taken off as a suspect, guys, because he was like 1700 miles away at a military base in Oklahoma, he called her. They had like a seven minute conversation that the relationship was not good. He was cheating. And they were young. They were young. He was cheating on her. It was long distance. But of course, in Mara's mind, she was going to marry this guy. You know, we've all done that as girls. Come on. You fix him. True level fix him. You know, she was just 21. And I mean, at 41, she probably been like, screw you dude, like whatever. You know, just being a 21 year old girl. Right. So that night, she got really upset after the phone call with Billie so much. So to the point where she was kind of comatose and the supervisor had to take her home at like one o'clock in the morning back to her door. And she wouldn't speak. But whenever the supervisor asked her what was going on, it sounds like it was just two compounding phone calls. I don't think either one of them have to do with what happened. But that's where they started because it was weird. Now on February 7th, which was that Saturday, her father, Fred, came to the university to visit Mara because they needed to get Mara a new car. Mara's car apparently was just not drivable. The cylinder would smoke, all this kind of stuff. And so Fred had taken $4,000 out of his savings account. He was going to take Mara to some car lots, find a good used car. You know, I understand that, Jessica, you're a parent. I don't... Some people have made a big deal out of this. I don't see this as a big deal. I think any parent would want their child to be safe, especially a daughter to be safe. She's living in Massachusetts. I think Jessica and I would probably be SOL in the winter as two Georgia girls up in Massachusetts because that is some hard winters that they have to go through with snow and, you know, all that kind of stuff. She was having to make rounds as a nursing student driving back and forth to the hospital. The father just literally was like, I need to do what I can to help my daughter out in this situation. I don't see anything weird about this at all. I think if you have the means to get your kid a safe car to drive and you're going to do it as a parent, you know. And so they went car shopping that day. They didn't find anything with that night. Fred took Mara and her girlfriend, Katie, out to dinner. Normal, normal. They said it was weird that Katie said they never talked about the car shopping. But again, hey girls, how's classes going? Can you tell me about how your school's going? What do your parents think? What are you majoring at? That's probably the conversation they were happening. So after that was over, Fred took the girls to a liquor store so they could buy alcohol to go to a dorm party that night. All right. Now, of course, if you're 21, your whole social circle is probably dependent on these parties. There's probably cute boys there, whatever. At 40 or 41, if you had this three-month probation period, you probably wouldn't be going to any parties. But that's the mind. This is the mind of a young and dumb 20-year-old, 21-year-old. Now, the one thing where I question Fred is Fred had just, the father, had just bought a brand new Toyota. And he was staying at a local hotel and he let Mara drive his new car to this party and asked her if she would just bring it back. Now, it could be he was just trusting his daughter that she wasn't going to drink, all that kind of stuff. And so, she had just driven around like 10.30 that night, left the party around 2.30 and then by 3.30, she had had an accident in the car. So, she had come to what they call a T-stop where you could turn left or right, but she ran the car straight into the guardrail. Now, with that being said, the responding officer did not run any sobriety tests on her. We don't know why. No one knows why because I would think that would be the first thing you would run at 3.30 in the morning with a 21-year-old driver. But for some reason, he didn't do that. She got lucky. But he did file out an incident report. The car was totaled. She went back to her father's hotel. We have on record she talked to Billy, her boyfriend like 4.50 a.m. where she was very upset about telling her dad she'd wrecked his car. Anyway, woke up in the morning, told her father cars were at cars total. You know, she said, go Monday morning, pick up the incident report so we can fill the phone and file the insurance. So insurance can cover this together. So now we start to see Maura on the early morning since February night, the day that she disappeared. Just after midnight, she was, her computer showed that she was looking up directions to the Berkshires to a vacation spot, 8 p.m. she turns in her nursing homework to her professor. And then we see her asleep. Let me look at the timeline here. Then at 1.13 p.m. Maura calls another nursing student and they found this nursing student Erin O'Neill. She talks about how Maura, this was the nursing student that she would catch rides with a lot and Maura was basically telling her she had a family emergency come up and she got it. It's fine. Just bring it when you get back. But nonetheless, Maura dropped her clothes off in a trash bag at her front door. And then at 1.24 p.m. Maura emailed a work supervisor in the nursing school program so kind of like a professor to say that she would be out for a while due to a death in the family. There was no death. But I had a few friends that pulled this out. And they said, Maura, this is not surprising to me. It's an easy lie. It's a bereavement period. But she also told the professor she didn't know how long she was going to be gone so she would let him know when she was coming back. 2.05 p.m. she called around some hotels in Stover Mott inquiring about hotel prices 2.18 p.m. she leaves campus. We know at this point that they did close down classes because a snow storm was coming. Listen, y'all. Listen. If the Yankees are going to close down school because a snow storm is coming, it's a bad snow storm. Down here in the south, they can mention that it might perhaps just kind of snow a little bit and the Piggly Wiggly sells out of bread and water and people think Jesus is coming back. These are if a school in New England is coming to close down schools. I think that's going to be a pretty big snow storm that she's driving into. Right? Those Yankees, they know how to handle snow, don't they, Jessica? Oh, yeah. Listen, I got stuck in the snow apocalypse down here in Atlanta and I was like nine months pregnant or seven months pregnant with my son and I was stuck. I had a mile to drive and we got black ice and I was on the road for like four or five hours just for like a mile super pregnant and I had to pee. So, yeah. I'll never forget that. It's a nightmare down here, y'all. Yeah. We don't get it. We don't get snow down. I mean, most of the time they predict it might snow and never does, right? It's just flurries or nothing, but we don't know how to handle it. We can't drive like that snow apocalypse happened like everything shut down because we just don't know how to handle the snow. One of my best friends lives up in Toronto, Canada and we were on the road and we were doing it. It's like, I'm going to get my winter tires and I stopped for a minute. I was like, you're what? He's like my winter tires. I was like, come again. He's like my winter tires. I was like, aren't tires just tires? So apparently even up there they have something called winter tires. We don't have any winter tires down here. It's not snow. Y'all quit making fun of us up there. Our tires melt during the summer and we're okay with it. You can deal with it. We can handle this. I mean, we just can't handle the snow. That's why we're called the sun melt down here. But just, I mean, when I saw that when the class has had canceled class, I was like, she is driving into a snow storm that even the Yankees don't want to deal with. And for my friends watching from other countries, I know you call all Americans Yankees or Yankees, and my grandfather's grandparents were from Philadelphia. And we don't know anything about them. Well, I know it's about the grandmother because her family was actually from the English world family. But the staffers, the man she married, Henry Stafford, if you're a stafford and lives in the Philadelphia ever, area hello, I might be your cousin. But we didn't learn anything about them because they were Yankees. How southern is that, Jessica? We're not going to talk about that. I just knew growing up if I met anybody with the last name Stafford, I probably shouldn't be dating him. I don't know how many cousins I got up there. But anyway, that is some serious business. So she is driving into a horrific snow storm with a car that's not reliable. By 3.40 p.m., bank cameras show her withdrawing $280 from her account. Now, the bank cameras footage finally was released. She was alone. Nobody with her. They showed I will probably place a picture here for you guys. Now, $280 did basically clear out her checking account. Now, $280 in 2004, if we look back 20 years, I think Jessica, probably if she was planning on going away just for the weekend, she probably in 2004 could have managed it at 20 years ago. Now, $280 can get you through one day. But then if she's living cheap, if she's as most college students do with gas with everything, so I see that as her yeah, I would think at that point that would be enough sufficient if you were planning on going away for the weekend, which I'll tell you why my theory is about that later on. Later on, she stops by a liquor store where she spends $40 on booze. She was in the car when the car was found empty. They did find the incident report. So she had gone and picked up the incident. This is important information, guys, because this shows somebody who was planning on coming back and she was planning on staying in touch with her family. If she was picking up the incident report, she was planning on talking to her dad. This to me does not show someone if she's turning in her nursing home and she's not planning on disappearing, right? But nobody knew she was leaving town or where she was going. 3.47 p.m., she checks her voicemail and this is important because this pings. We know then between 4 and 5 p.m., she was heading north on I-91 because her we know where she was heading at this point. And then we hear nothing from her until 7.27 p.m. when a call is made regarding her wreck. So she pulls off of I-91 in New Hampshire where she turns a corner and a car kind of skids. She probably hit ice and from what I understand where this was on Route 112, she, this area apparently was common for car accidents for people just especially when it was bad weather. So 7.27 p.m. a call is made by a neighbor regarding the wreck. Let's see. Then we have Butch at what another neighbor who is a school bus driver at 7.30 just three minutes later he pulls his bus up going home and stops and talks to her and asks if she needs help. But she says oh no, no, no, no I've called AAA don't worry. He's like let me call the police for you. And she pleads with them not to call the police. She assures him that she is called AAA. Well Butch knew as another neighbor that that area did not get cell phone reception. So he drives his bus to his house by between 7.40 and 7.43 he places a call to the police himself. By 7.46 the police show up on the scene and she's gone. Her car is there it's locked there her when they finally when they realize it's a missing person's case they go into the car they realize she's got her duffel bag with like clothes workout clothes makeup like she's going to call the incident report but her purse is missing and her cell phone so the police figured that she actually left her car to either go and find the cell phone reception to call a friend or find someone to help her and that was the last so theoretically Butch Atwood was the last person to see her alive or to see her in general and there was a lot of speculation with Butch who pretty much cleared him because there were three neighbors around this so there were three and I wrote down some people who have been very heavily investigated in this case gave the window for her to vanish to be about a seven minute window and for her now they had so all the different theories guys I'm just going to knock it out with what we know factually she did not go into the mountains why do we know she had the road going both directions people think she might have ran into the mountains no no no guys there were no footprints like with snow that much if the cops had seen any footprints at that time at the scene they would have actually gone and tried to because it was this was February night it was freezing they would have gone and defied the person there was no noticators that she went into the woods now when the police stopped to go and find cell phone reception they didn't think anything scandalous that happened I don't even think they were suspecting drunk driving even though there was alcohol spilled at this point I think they just thought she had left to go and try to find cell phone reception so the police have acknowledged that they butched up they messed up the first part of the small towns do they? not often I mean I've dealt with cases where we had a very good family friend my mom's best friend actually we think he passed away in a fire up in northwest Georgia that's what we were told but let's just say the detective work was shoddy to say the least and they had my mom and I searching through and stuff so I know firsthand that I don't know if it was just being overwhelmed small departments but it took like three days or a couple of days to call in the GBI to come do the crime scene stuff I mean it was just it was botched in my opinion so they can't some of these departments the towns are so small they can't handle it no they don't have the resources they don't have the training but with this looking through everything I don't think the police are covering anything up because we've had multiple police officers who were involved in that first call apologize profusely for not they kind of did they drove around and they could find her but they kind of left they felt like she had walked up on her own and she would be back they didn't think of anything that anything was going on and so they didn't call the FBI that quick they really just and I feel bad for them because you watch really realizing the mistake that they made and so I don't think that you know Fred Murray has filed a lawsuit against the New Hampshire police they have withheld information from that the police do apparently have more information they're willing to release to the public I can understand both perspectives why Fred Murray would sue because the police have not been worked with him very well the father and but from the police perspective because when you do interrogations there's information they have that only maybe a remote viewer or the criminal the perpetrator would have and so they've held back some information regarding what they have found up into this point so I don't I don't think there was a police cover involved I think it was just shoddy work and I think that yeah they were understaffed underfunded and I could see them assuming she people listen I've had to deal with the police with police reports and detectives and they also have a lot of red tape they have to get through you know they're the wheels of justice turn slowly and a lot of that is because in this country people are innocent till proven guilty so when a police jurisdiction is ready to take take a case to the prosecutor they have to make sure they have everything to give the prosecutor that's going to convict this person or else if they don't get the conviction so I kind of see both sides of this I think it's just a shoddy work they've apologized I think the police are trying their best at this moment to do what they can to help get some closure in this case but anyway a lot of people like James Renner believe that the family might be involved I don't think so did you pick up on anything with the family being involved Jessica no according to the data I don't think it's going to happen what this target was I think that she was most likely picked up by somebody she either waved a car down she was picked up by somebody just to get out of there okay to get out of there she was tempted okay I was picking up on somebody being tempted I do believe she either was tempted or she attempted to flag somebody down and was like hey let me get a ride but I think that she was she was taken and ultimately lost her life over that I agree with you I don't think she went to Canada I don't think it was suicide people kept saying oh she went out committed I don't think so because nothing from her behavior leading up to this moment indicated that she was planning on committing suicide she was planning on coming back you wouldn't send your nursing school homework in if you were she did pack her dorm room up completely packed it up so I think she was planning on being gone for a little while my speculation Jessica I said this in part one we don't know exactly why she was on that road because she didn't tell anybody but she had a book in her car on hiking the white mountains she was at the foothills of the white mountains as a child she used to go to the white mountains with her family in the summertime at the beginning and I can't believe the happiness I can't remember all the words you said and I thought you know my speculation is she was overwhelmed she had this lingering criminal charge she had gotten into this wreck by the grace of God she did not take a sobriety test she had alcohol in her car you said you think she was drinking we still have you know I think she ran from the wreck because she put a car accident on probation that's not the problem the problem is are you drunk driving so I think she ran she needed to get away from the accident I think she was heading up to the white mountains and I think she was going to plan to try to stay there for the duration of the three months that was her probational period so that she didn't get any more trouble and I think she landed $280 on her but she could from her school situation where there's a lot of alcohol a lot of partying going on to decompress for a moment I think she was stressed out with her boyfriend and she got into this little fender if she had been drinking or if she was just stressed out about being another car accident with this pending criminal investigation I agree with you Jessica she went to get away to either sober up or to get her wits about her to call a friend to come help potentially put the credit card theft and identity theft on her record and I agree with you people said well why wouldn't she have then taken Butch the older man's help Well Butch wanted to call the police and she did not want the police involved and I think you're right Jessica I think a younger person around her age pulled up because the dogs they brought in dogs guys they brought the dogs the breakdowns and how they've worked these dogs they've had cadaver cadaver cadaver dogs go into the woods to look for a dead body they've never found anything of a human remains by the car now that's now they've only checked a certain radius around the car it could be she's now outside of that radius her body is now outside of the area that was like maybe 20 feet away down the road and then it stops so what does that tell you she was picked up yeah yeah I think she was picked up 100% I think she was picked up yeah that's what I think and but I think she was picked up by somebody that was not a good person yeah and I think she saw it as a younger person now I don't know if there were if one of his buddies like accidentally he said if it was like a you know I think she would have fought back she was very athletic she was 5'7 you know she was not tall but like taller for a woman she was you know she could fight I think this girl could definitely fight back and I think that they started possibly drinking at his house there's an incident where somebody speculates she might have been taken to which is about half a mile to a mile away it sounded a side road so she would have died less than a mile from the accident if the theories are correct with this A-frame house some people did find blood and once the tenets moved out and the house was empty people were allowed to go in there and they found blood in the have found two different DNA samples one they know is male and one is undetermined so that still leaves that door open that it could have been Mara in that closet I think that they probably tried to sexually do something with her and she said no and fought back and it got out of hand and maybe he called friends to remove the body you know when you talked about the trance and being in a trance I wrote down I wrote that down disassociation did she disassociate at some point which is common in a traumatic experience the sweating that makes sense because your nervous system is working overdrive at that time when your life is being threatened so and yeah I think now according to locals locals do believe that it was what you said that's what locals say the gossip around town is exactly what Jessica picked up on yeah I could see that I mean that's really interesting if this is on if my data is on target and it's an inagreance with what the locals assume or say that's it's really sad first of all it's very sad but I do remember her getting dragged down and put I literally heard somebody say she's put in her place okay so so that made me feel like and she was knocked out as well so I 100% believe that she was fighting okay whatever happened to her she was fighting and whoever was attacking her felt like they had to put her in her place they ended up knocking her out whether it was accidental or on purpose they injured her ultimately to her death yeah and when you talked about the ritualistic stuff now this is nothing against like the Islamic faith because I have a friend who's Muslim I'm not saying you know all Muslims are this way I kept thinking like this is coming from a different culture where you know there is and we know that Islamic faith they do practice a lot of a cult I mean they do interesting things that will say Jessica it's like did you pick up on with whoever the perpetrator was did you pick up on him having help to remove the body or to move the body no I didn't I didn't I felt like it was because I heard solemn or like alone and so I was feeling as though either that was her or whoever picked her up I was kind of picking up on like one person honestly yeah looking back at it yeah I think it was I feel like it might have been just one person not to say there weren't more but that's kind of what my sensory data was I kind of just comment sense wise I kind of question the three people too because if you got three people involved in this and this has become this was considered you guys the first social media case right this because Facebook was invented the same week she went missing and so there has been documentaries done over this girl podcast this girl is now famous basically and so if three people are involved in this what's the likelihood that one of them might have told someone else it's really high yeah it would be a lot harder to get away with this and for this to be a cold case for so long had other people been involved that's just the facts I thought the same thing it had to either it had to have been one person now there could have been people could have picked up on other people being there because they could have had like a little house party where she was drinking at someone's house and other people around and the incident didn't happen until after everyone left you know where he tried to I think there was probably assault involved I don't know if you picked up on that I think he probably yeah I got dragged and abused yeah yeah and I know not doubt too she fought back good for her you know and now Jessica do you think does your spidey senses do you think that this case that her body will eventually be found I don't I don't know I can't say I did not okay when I'm given targets of missing persons a lot of times by the end of that target I can some of the data will suggest like where the body is or where it will be found I did not pick up that here so I can't say for sure I didn't I didn't have any kind of acknowledgement of like finding a body or anything like that because like I said you know I just had a set of numbers so I didn't even know what I was looking at but but no I didn't pick that up I've had a big question mark that too about that too because Appalachia you guys like this is the heart of Appalachia how many people go missing in Appalachia just hiking and you never find their bodies because it is all the same elements of nature we're talking about I mean animals wild animals digging up the remains it's been 20 years I know Alice Dublas said this case is very solvable and again we don't know what the police have I know that the guy who owns the A-frame house at the time of her disappearance his brother found a knife in the glove compartment with blood on it at first he tried to turn it into the police and they turned it down they tried again they took it but nothing has ever come out about their findings forensically on that knife they've never released it to the public they've never they want to acknowledge it to the public part of me feels like that maybe they did find something ahead on that knife and they are not going to release it because of the sensitivity of this investigation but I don't know so you know do you think Jessica that her soul is at rest or do you think her soul I mean I'd like to I'd like to think that you know I didn't I didn't make direct contact with her okay I mean I was I was seeing things through her eyes but I never did a deep mind probe on her because I was you know I just I didn't do a deep mind probe on her because I it was so emotional this target was so emotional and I was I was playing out there were all these scenarios like playing out and I could always go back and we can hit this target again one day and try to make contact with her and find out now that I know what the target is you know do a little front looted target on it and try to contact her or just just get in her head and find out what happened that's the most important part we want that soul to be at rest you know if the body is gone we want the soul to move on and to be at rest then it's me and I could try to and play play and play and I could play Dan but Dan will be with of one but will I have a life life and I for her because she was so obviously so stressed out at this time in her life and she was trying to course correct. You know I talked about in my episode my deep dive you know there were speculations of her having an eating disorder which I've said before many athletes, I said this deep dive many athletes have eating disorders because it's it's a type of control and when you I guess you probably know this as a dancer Jessica when you're when you feel lighter in your stomach you're able to have more control over your body. We we see this in the yoga world a lot. There are a lot of colleagues I have an ashtanga that I know have eating disorders you know it's it's it's a need to control but not from the same place that people who aren't athletes and develop this type of disorder it's it's so we know there was a lot of anxiety and a lot basically a lot of stress in her mind and a lot of you know in a lot of ways I felt like things I think she felt like things were unraveling which looking back you know if that had happened to her at 40 she probably would have just been like thank you judge I'm just going to sit at my home for three months to go to school and not be tempted by parties in order to get this off my record but you know being being even though she was 21 she's technically adult your frontal brain isn't developed until like 25. She was still for all intent purpose as a kid you know um and um it's it's it's so sad and it just shows you how in a split second something of one decision we make could like change the trajectory of everything and I I think she was up in that area because of the stress in her life but I don't think the person who killed her had anything to do with what was actually going on in her life right. Yeah I mean I my take on it would be like a complete stranger to her. Well you guys that's it's a very heartbreaking case and um if you have not again if you're watching this and you don't know anything about Marmory's case I have my part one I'll put that in the description box below um and there are so many documentaries out there uh Maggie Furling did a great docu-series on this case and there's the missing Marmory podcast. I would love Jessica I would actually really like have you ever been up to New England to that area? I mean well I was just in New York I don't know if that counts so many of your states uh yeah no I have not been to like Massachusetts or Connecticut or any of those states no I've been up there it's not my favorite place in the world no offense to our friends who are from New England um I've been in Connecticut and Massachusetts um it's it's there's like a different feeling up there than down here in the southeast um um it's a lot of very very small towns smaller than some of our towns down here in the south and I actually I mean I would be curious just going to go up there if you would ever want to go up there ourselves to this area and see where she had the accent they haven't marked off now there's constantly a bow around it people are constantly going up there um and and to see you know because she is right she's like 90 miles or something from the Canadian border she is very close to the Canadian border but um just to kind of get a you know and I guess what I'm trying to say is this area we've said it before man versus Appalachia Appalachia is always going to win like it's just it's a rough area it's rough you know if you get stuck in those woods her body you know it's it's anyway anyway I it's it's yeah well you know okay just just to tie this in I know this has nothing to do with Sasquatch and Bigfoot but you know I did I did state at the beginning of the show that I am ultimately a Bigfoot field researcher okay and that's how I learned about viewing was through my team and uh and I'm often asked like why why have you guys never found a body of a Bigfoot well there's a lot of different reasons for that and um anything and I do a lot of my research in the Appalachia Mountains and uh and that some of the guys on my team have actually been at the body farm in Tennessee and uh and done a lot of um of work there and that's where they put the bodies out to study the decomposition of bodies okay and uh in bodies they disintegrate quickly okay a lot of them and uh there's scavengers out there like animals there's there's a lot of times like you don't ever see a bear a dead bear in the woods and things like that because they disappear so rapidly with those decomposition decomposition rates especially in the you know like in the Appalachians in Georgia that's the Chattahoochee National Forest is a is it like a rainforest I mean literally and so it's very humid up there and uh and so nothing sticks around for very long once it's once it's passed away in the woods that's a good point too because when bodies die it's civilization and they take them into a funeral parlor they they inject certain chemicals into the body to preserve it a little bit longer in order to have open caskets but when you don't have any of that and the body's just dumped it is probably going to disintegrate pretty quickly and that could have been some of the odor you were spelling too I thought about that Jessica when you said the odor not only the sweat from the trauma but you know apparently when you first die your bowels release you know there's a lot of smells that come off the body because the organs start to shut down you know it's why death smells so bad you see people having to put like either stuff under their lip when they go to a morgue or cover their nose because it's just a it's a I've never smelled a dead human body but I've obviously smelled dead animal bodies out in the woods and it is a gnarly smell you know so um when that life leaves the body so yeah it is um I feel my heart just goes out to all of her family to her father and her siblings and to have to have that knowledge again they are very accepting it seems that they they're realistic that she's probably dead um they think foul play fell upon her and I I think so too and so and I I guess that I don't think James Renner is a bad dude for thinking that she's living some life up in Canada I think that's the natural response for human beings to want to think that somebody is alive and well and happy um but I just don't think that's the case um at all so I think it just was happenstance that she was close to the Canadian border I don't think it was anything else but that so well thank you for doing this Jessica if y'all want we'll do I've got I know I've got it I just gave Jessica targets for a new case for Gnostic TV but um if you guys want us to like do more missing people cases especially cold cases let us know some give us some or give me some names because I I don't remote you so give me the name I'll do the research into the what we know about the case and then I'll give Jessica the coordinates so she can get what she knows about the case so anything else you want to close out with today Jessica where could be well thank you for having me today this has been a very interesting case and I think it was it's pretty cool that I actually feel like this was this data was pretty on target okay for whatever happened I do believe uh now people can find me at the cryptid huntress.com all my shows are there I'm actually um I have a youtube channel called the cryptid huntress and where I do live shows all week and I'm also a host at spaced out radio every weekend Saturday and Sunday night you guys can find all my shows there but yeah mostly just all over social media and stuff I'm the cryptid huntress so thank you for having me today of course and I have to say I don't I think I was talking to someone about you off camera I can't remember who was off camera on camera but I was like how badass is the name Jessica Jones for what you do to be a cryptid huntress to have the name Jessica Jones it was like darn it I feel like Jessica Jones cryptid huntress like it's just so badass it's a perfect name for a woman who's going to be doing what what what you do you guys I will put all of those links down in the description box below I know um somebody actually commented the other day who was that girl you were talking about that does the remote viewing and I just wrote the cryptid huntress go look her up she's awesome so and and you'll be doing guys this is obviously I plan on doing a lot with Jessica we want to do some locational stuff too um and so just let us know you guys if you there it's a really interesting case that you want us to it doesn't have to be a missing persons case either guys like we did the bell witch on Gnostic TV um I've got another case on Gnostic TV that Jessica was going to be doing that's not necessarily missing persons not necessarily um so it can be just a strange weird stuff you want us to look into I can do the research and then I can give Jessica the coordinates just let us know and we'll figure out as Romdaw says we're all just walking each other home so we're just going to walk each other home together even if we don't know quite the directions well we're going to try to figure it out so so anyway guys well I hope you guys are having a wonderful start to your Thursday this is going to be airing on Thursday and 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