 Good afternoon, friends. Amongst us, we have Mr. Amaji Chopra, a Chartered Accountant who is a former President of the Chartered Accountants Association. And when we talk of the association, I remember that association with Mr. Amaji Chopra and mine got connected through a case. And they say that God has his own way of connecting with someone. And similarly, the connection on these webinars started with the COVID-19 situation. So as they say, and I strongly believe that man proposes and God disposes. So same is the way of connecting with the human being. And human networking is an important facet in any profession. Human networking for the purposes of growing growth in this society. Human networking in helping to move forward. As they say, while we take the session, today's session will be on a different tangent. It will be more as an interactive session like an interview. And we can say that in any profession, it's more like a teamwork. And all we know that teamwork means together everyone achieves more. And what are the key mantras for achieving more in life? How has been Mr. Chopra's success journey? What are the takeaways which he wants to share with him with us on this platform? As to how one can create a mark. As they say, normally the profession is a jealous mystery mistress and people don't share the success mantras. But if during this short discussion with him, if anybody can take takeaways from that, that will be an enriching for him or her who's ever participates. And in a profession, it is often said that nobody teaches you by picking up the pen and teaches you how to grow in the society. It is more by observation and absorption of the characteristics of an individual. Maybe it is in an office, maybe it is a webinar, maybe it is through reading. These all are the success mantras. Thank you, sir, for accepting our invite. Just check it out, sir, your network bandwidth is showing low. Before we take questions forward, I would just like to ask. Then I will shift to the other device. Just give me two minutes. Yes, sir. As we were discussing that every professional in his own way, maybe it is a network AC, maybe it is started accountancy, maybe it is company secretary, maybe as a writer, maybe as an influencer, there are a lot of ways. And since we have been connected with Mr. Chopra and I have also been connected with him on the LinkedIn platform also. He acts in his own way as an influencer. He motivates us to write better. He motivates us to speak better. He motivates us to make a name in the society. And his office of GSA has grown leaps and bounds. There are different ways in a profession to make one who feels that he is one amongst the equal. Despite that fact that how do you create your own niche, how do you carry out the people within your office, outside the office to move together and people awe you. These are all success mantras, good mantras in the life. We will take all these questions and anybody who is wanting to ask questions from Mr. Chopra can just raise his hand or just put it in the chat box or those who are watching us live on the YouTube. They can also post the questions we will ask Mr. Chopra. Before first things first, we would like to ask your professional journey as a Chartered Accountant. What has it changed from the earlier times to the recent times? What are the changes you feel the society has changed, especially in the field of Chartered Accountants? Number one, thank you Vikas ji for this opportunity. And number two, one correction only for everyone that our institute is not an association. We are a regulator in our own right. We were created by the act of the parliament in 1949 even before the constitution of the country came into existence. I think that's very important to be understood. Because most of the people understand that the institute of Chartered Accountants comprises of an association. We are not association. We are the regulators of profession and we have a right to conduct the examination. We have a right to give the disciplinary proceedings to the members. We have a right to give them the membership. We have a right to give them the certificate of practice. Everything is within this act so far as 1949 act is concerned. Of course there are few changes which are taking place in the recent times so far as that part is concerned. Vikas ji, I am so far as I am concerned, I qualified in 1975. I can tell you that the profession then and now is absolutely a changed face. When we did CA, there were no accounting standards. There were no auditing standards at that particular point. And I jocularly say that probably that was one reason that I qualified as a Chartered Accountant. Because one didn't have to read those accounting or auditing standards at that time. But in today's day, every child, every student has to go through a thorough accounting standards, guidance modes, auditing standards, Indian accounting standards, statements, etc. I personally feel that this younger generation is far, far more intelligent than us. They are able to grab the things far more quickly than us. It is a media, I think it is an information exclusion. And they have been able to grasp it. They have been able to actually take it in the stride so far as so much of explosion of information is concerned. My head softened the present generation that they are able to qualify with this vast slivers that we have got on our end. But at the same time, I would like to say that in our times, the professional opportunities were very, very small. Though the number was also small so far as the Chartered Accountants are concerned. My own membership number is only 16,984. I qualified in 1975. The institute came into existence in 1949. At that time, we are not qualified, but these are registered as Chartered Accountants. About 1600 members. Between the first 26 years, from 1949 to 1973, we produced the first 26 years. We have just created about 15,000 Chartered Accountants, which is unbelievable. And today, every year we create about 35 Chartered Accountants, which is a very, very large number. And this journey has been very exciting. The journey has been a great learning and it has been a very, very sad journey if you really ask me from that. Sir, before I take the second question, meanwhile, you will have to again log in the bandwidth is low, sir. Just one minute. I think I will just log out and then come back to you. Just give me a minute. Yes, sir. So as we were hearing from Mr. Amaji Chopra to the effect that how there has been a transition in the profession. There have been challenges and like in every profession, they say that number of professionals every year in three years. But the another flip side is that the ratio between the any professional and the amount of cases or amount of nature continues to remain the same. And I am reminded of the darkened theory which sets survival of the fittest. And of this webinar, I have always been discussing with Mr. Chopra often on. He says that the key mantra to any profession is the hard work. And there's a common saying that hard work and success. Hard work is an essential feature because even in the dictionary, the word hard work come prior in time to that of. And Chopra, I would like to ask with the effect of digitalization, what has been the change in the scenario of the chartered accountancy? I think he has not logged in so far. Meanwhile, if those who have not been connected with Mr. Chopra or the linked inputs, and if they once sees Mr. Chopra's profile, you will find that he's not only a successful chartered accountant. But he's also successfully dissimulating the knowledge amongst the people. He's also a person who writes the poetry at ease. He's a good photographer. So we can all say that he has so many talents which have been packed and from which one can always learn. And even yesterday on the father's day, he had posted one poem on the LinkedIn. That was quite emotional and it was always one can resonate, one could always connect with that as to how well he has written with that. Like he was discussing that there is a regulatory even under the advocacy. There is a bar console of India, the Advocates Act. It helps us to for the checks and balances in the society as such. And with the flux of after the COVID-19 special situation, we have seen that there have been challenges and but the positive is that there have been webinars. Earlier, they were only seminars and on the YouTube also, you can connect with different topics to connect and help knowledge and move forward with that. It helps you to polish all your things in the right way. And Mr. Chopra's YouTube sessions are also immense. I've seen his sessions with Mr. the likes of Mr. Grisha, which are also wherein the knowledge have been shared. Mr. Chopra has connected and he's just unmuting himself. You will ask him like this profession is tough. And as we were discussing prior to his re-logging in that the number of professionals have been increasing. The avenues have been increasing. Despite all this tough competition, how does one create the mark, especially like Mr. Chopra? Yes, sir. How can one create a mark within the society? What according to you, if you have to give the success mantras, what is the way one can create a mark within the society in the profession? Or you can say they are just like a chicken and the egg. As to whether the success mantra would be first making a mark within the society and then profession. Or if you grow within the profession, then automatically you are marked within the society. Sir, Mr. Chopra? Because it's a very, very tough question. It's a very tough question. I think there's some problem at your end also. I think you can connect through the mobile. Wait a minute. You can connect through the mobile. You can connect through the internet. Sir, did I have a link to Anupe? If you connect to Anupe, then the mobile will automatically connect. Finally, bear with us, there is some technical, the internet. As they say that you can control everything, but there are certain acts which are not within the control of anyone. And this technology, as they say that put servant, but it shouldn't become your master. Sir, yes. No, I am audible. Yes, sir. I am audible now. Yes, sir. Because this question was concerned, it is probably one of the most difficult questions to be answered. There cannot be any, you can say ready-made answer for any success mantra. Because success is something which has many, many factors. Number one, as a professional, you have to keep learning. I think one of the most important factors is that as a professional, you must keep learning. You must keep yourself updated every time. And the second thing that I would like to say is that people feel that probably ethical conduct is not important these days. But to my mind, ethics is probably one of the most important ingredients for the success. People should start having faith in you as an individual. I think that's very important. Most of the time we feel that if the client feels comfortable with us, then probably he will keep repeating. Then he will find something far more comfortable. I think at times you have to be asking some unpleasant questions to your client. You have to be his guide, you have to be his friend, you have to be his philosopher. Every time you cannot say yes to him, there's no way that it is going to happen. And charted a competency profession is one, unfortunately. You see it is different, differently placed compared to the advocate's profession, which we must all accept. Because in the case of the advocates, you defend a client. You work for a client. And here as a charted accountant, when I audit the accounts, I'm not working for the client. I may be paid by the client, but I'm working for the various stakeholders' interests. I think that distinction one has to make. And ultimately, if the regulators have faith in you, if your client has faith in your abilities and your guidance, and you are actually full of determination, you have a lot of perseverance, you are updated in your particular subject and you are ethical. I think that's very, very important at the end of the day, come what may. You see, there have been certain practices going on in the various departments. Today those practices are coming to an end. And with that, probably the remuneration of some of the professionals would also suffer. So I personally feel that ethical practices, I have got certain clients with me today who feel that I am tough. And I have got the audits only because of that, particularly when it comes to the internal audits. People prefer internal auditors who can guide you better, who can be tougher with the staff and who do not leak out the information of the client to anyone else. So I personally feel that if I say that there is a ready-made mantra, there is nothing like that. We have to struggle. We have to struggle for every professional. We have also struggled. Everyone has struggled. The first car I took, the second hand, the investor, he took practice 11 years later. I do not want the child to take the car 11 years later. I say that he should take it in the same year. But somewhere patience and stability is very important. And the other thing that I consider to be the main mantra for growth, if you want to make a firm in which you can do a different work, then you have to make a partnership firm for that. In which people can do different areas of specialization. I think that is very important. I have reached here as well. I reached there because my partners were there who supported me a lot. And no one knows whose luck the phone was. Let's be very clear about it. I think he took a bag and went somewhere to sit in the coffee house and drink coffee. I do not know what he did. You do not know. Probably his one meeting with a particular client could bring you the work for the entire year. So you have to have a blind faith in your partners. I think that is very important. And you should try as much as possible. You should try as much as possible to keep your firm's continuity. Keep your partners' continuity and your employees' continuity as much as you can. I think that is very important. That is what I would like to say. Yes Vikas Ji. Not be a straight jacket formula. Like you have rightly said that interpersonal skills. Your voice is also breaking. Sir, I am also saying that we are suffering on the same platform of the low bandwidth. Now. I cannot hear anything from you. I will turn on my phone. I will keep listening to your voice. Yes sir. I will turn on my phone after calling you. I will keep listening to your voice. Sir, what is interpersonal skills? You feel that have changed? What do you like to comment on right now? See, as far as interpersonal skills are concerned, Vikas Ji, it is very important that the behavior of the other person, when I am talking about personal relations within the staff, within the partners, within the clients, etc. It is very important to have humility. I think that is very, very important. If you are not humble, if you are arrogant, then I think that you do not have a lot of people. You have to feel the pinch which somebody feels at a given point of time. Life is an experience, it is a journey, there will be challenges. People will feel pinched at some point, sometimes they will feel pinched. It does not matter. Sometimes you have to speak with the staff. You have to be a hard task master. But at the same time, I still remember a CMD of a bank. I went to meet him and asked him how do you like this particular place? He told me everything. I have made a principle in my life that when I transfer a person from a station to another station, and that person comes to me, I do not ask him how he is doing. I ask him that you have bought a house, your wife has come, your children have come, children have been admitted, they have not. Because he had to believe that if I have transferred that person before, there are many other problems. If I ask him how he is doing, what will he feel? He had to believe that it is very important when you talk about personal skills, that you are a saanji in the pain of others. And you understand his feelings, you understand his feelings, you understand his heart. So, I think the most important thing is that you make a connection. You share a connection sometimes, there is no doubt about it. I have made a ritual in my office, since the last two years, it is not happening due to Covid. We have been with the staff for the last 32 years. We have been going to Vaishnavadevi once in a year. The four days that we live together, those are probably the best days of the entire year. We sing together, we sing together, we entertain together, we bring together religious feelings. Everything we do together, I think in that particular period. So, we consider that particular thing to be very important. The question would be, there are articles here, the internship has started in the office. What is the internship for article shifts, whether they actually have a project, or have to go into profession? Very frankly, Mr. Vikas, this is such an area that students do not realise what they are playing, or what they are losing. If I have to admit, this is a three-year training. This differentiates us from the rest of the profession. When we send the child to a client, and tell them what to do, we also put a senior with him. When he deals with a person, he deals with a senior. He deals with a GM, he deals with a CFO, he deals with a MD, he discusses with them. The experience of that does not have any value. Very frankly, it is being missed. These children today are misunderstanding that they are being given work, they are being given work, they are being given such training that they are being given experience that they cannot get in any amount. I understand that we have also trained, we have also enjoyed a lot in training. It is not easy that we have not made a mistake in training. But we have learned a lot in training. How to deal with people? What is the book of accounts? When I go out, I do not know what debit and credit side is. Very frankly, this is very important. If I have done something practically handled, if there is a question in the information, the way I answer or tackle it, it is completely different. If I have to go to the industry and I have handled different situations, when I go to the interview, I face the interview, if I face the client in a good way, if I face the GM in a good way, if I face the GM in a good way, if I face the report, I do not get scared. I think the child will have to understand this. Classes are important. Nowadays, children have a lot of respect for classes. Nowadays, children have a lot of respect for classes. I am not denying the importance of classes because the first aim of the child is to pass. But along with passing, the practical training I do not have to undermine any circumstances. I think that is very important. I would like to ask whether one should start a new practice by some firms or some company as an employee? What is the difference between them and how are the different ways to make their own path? Vikas, all this will depend on individual traits and individual positions and individual conditions. When we qualified for the CA, 90% of the children would come to practice and 10% of the children would go to the industry. At this time, 5% of the children would go to the industry and 5% would only come to practice. Today, 85% of the children are going to the job and 20% of the children would come to practice. There are many reasons for this. When we qualified at that time there were not so many opportunities in the industry. There were not so many opportunities in the banks, in the insurance companies, in the capital markets, in the stock exchanges, in the companies. There were not so many opportunities. But as it grows, as we move forward, if the economy grows over 7-8% then your CA will not be unimplemented. If it grows below 7-8% then there could be some problem in it. There could be some problem in it. Today, there are many opportunities in big four. When the child goes to big four, after all, every year, 2,500-2,500 children are picked up. If I believe, 10,000 children are picked up by the big four. There were not so many opportunities in our time. What depends on the condition of the child depends on the condition of the child. If the child is available, his parents can afford to apply for a 4-year gestation period and there is no problem at home, then he can come into practice. But practice is not straight. This is my request with every child. First, go with a senior and work as an employee for 2-3 years. And working as an employee means that when I am in training, I take training like an article. When I go as a CA, then my training is completely different. There is one art to fix fees and there is one art to recover fees. I don't understand this art as an article. I understand this art when I go as a Chartered Accountant and go to someone. And it is also important that I will learn at the cost of someone else. And I am learning at the cost of someone else. In this period, I learn and also earn. And in today's time, I am very much concerned with the Chartered Accountant and the Metropolitan Accountant at least. So I have to believe that practice should not be straight. For practice, 2-3 years of experience should be with a young or a senior and I will leave that to the child. And in which area the taste of that is, basically my area of audit is a very dry fit. I say that there is no more interesting field than audit. The one who goes to the taxation practice will go to the taxation person and you will learn from him. The one who goes to the GST will go to the GST and the one who goes to the FEMA will go to the FEMA person. The one who goes to the money laundering will go to the money laundering and the one who goes to the benign transaction. But I would like to teach one more thing to the children. If you want to start a practice then it will be better than the proprietary that you do the partnership. And if you don't start a partnership then you can start networking and then you can do the partnership. That's all I would like to say about this. I like you said about audit. What are people though we were on session also? A lot of people are quite interested. What are the careers in the auditing as such? I have closed the mobile because the net has improved. When I talk about charted accounting at our time there was only a statutory audit. And bank branch audit was very sad that someone would get it. And as time grew there was only one audit and a new audit came and there were no inspections. If I talk about today's chart then it became more important than a statutory audit. Very fancy. Forensic audit has become very important in the entire field. In the entire banks where there are 8 lakh crores of NTS and we have done the right of 8 lakh crores there will be a lot of forensic audits and there will be frauds. Forensic audit has a very very important field if you really ask me. So there are new branches of audits. From banks now we start getting ASM audits which are given big advances which you are monitoring for that particular matter. Concurrent audit is taking place in banks. There can be a fees issue. I don't want to go there because the public sector has less fees in banks. But their argument is different and our argument is different so the argument will continue. Concurrent audit fees will improve. The statutory audit of bank branch audits will be less important in the coming years. But the field of Concurrent audit and forensic audit of ASM is very big. For charted accountants I can also tell you that in today's rate physical verification is very good and the banks give it for the purpose of the stock audit. But we should do it very well and it will be seen that these appointments will continue or not. This is a very important issue. And the second thing I can tell you that the rest of the opportunities were not heard today. There was a good scope for charted accountants. We have never heard of insolvency bankruptcy and there was a good scope for charted accountants. We used to do valuations but in today's rate after going to India there is a big scope for charted accountants. In insurance, in banking, in capital markets, in the stock brokers there is a line of an opportunity available. GST has been the biggest reform post independence if you ask me. In GST the way charted accountants have gone in it has been absolutely a great opportunity which the charted accountants have been able to explore and exploit for that matter. And after that when the tax audit came because you are an advocate before the tax audit the whole practice was with the advocate it was not with the charted accountants. Particularly in the fossil towns. After the tax audit after the tax audit the practice to a very large extent shifted to the charted accountants for that matter. Similarly GST did not do the tax audit the charted accountants did not do the tax audit but the GST did not come for everyone for the advocates all the charted accountants were in today's date opportunities are galore opportunities no matter how much you see in any area someone had thought that it will become a very good practice someone had thought that there will be so many deligences in today's date all these areas are absolutely new area in the money laundering how many good practice the charted accountants are doing the black money exchange the other different acts in the dynamic transactions the area which was specialized in the charted accountants custom duties the person who started to go there he was practicing but it is necessary to specialize in this area so you have actually had the nail on its head and as I earlier said that even in the dictionary they say that the hard work comes prior to success so it is you who actually works upon you though nobody can rule out the destiny part it has its own role and charm like we connected with each other no professional relationship but relationships are on a different page and with that we have grown in a different way though we are waiting to meet each other now the next question what normally arises is a lot of people after as the economy is booming in its different way a lot of people have started involving themselves in charted accountants for my friends I have seen they have started taking into insurance part these are the new challenges you feel that the advice taken from a charted accountant or any other person has its own variations what could be the charted accountants way of guiding which actually helps us to do much better financial planning maybe for the back silly I would like to say one thing Vikas as far as the financial planning is concerned charted accountants are definitely well active to give that particular advice but that comes after a particular experience if I expect that as soon as the charted accountant qualifies I will start giving this financial planning advice it could be so cycle both for the client as well as for the charted accountant my opinion is if you really want to go to a financial planning site then go to a charted accountant who has work who has the advice of insurance if you do that experience and after that you will be absolutely successful as soon as that is concerned I think I will see I will see I will see I will see meanwhile Nitin has asked I wanted to know is law and CFA a good combination what prospects can a lawyer have in the private equity management like the AMCs according to me and law and FCA is a very good combination charted accountancy and management is a very good combination because before charted accountant was left with GM finance and CFO and after management now they are getting up to the CO level also I think these combinations will depend on their taste law and CFA combination is good but the law is also complete it is not like that you can specialize in that I think you know it better than me so far as the field of law law is concerned so Manik has posted the question he has not unmoved himself I want to start my own practice from article shift period until date of my professional job experience in big four I have always been engaged in big clients for works like end IAS conversions, IPO's gap conversions, audit and tax audits of large listed entities is there any scope for such works for my personal practice I really like the work which I did in my job but want to do it in my practice can't do a job I think very, very, very valid question from Manik if you really ask me if their interest is in practice it should be in practice it can also be that in the beginning with such firm who have work for the country so more seeking basically convergence now the new company will not have a lot of number in the banking sector there will be convergence in the insurance sector there will be convergence but these clients will get small firms I don't think very friendly so why not to become a part of a company or a firm in which it is more important I am not talking about big four I am also talking about small and medium practitioners you are not doing a job you are going to become a partner if you have this experience but I don't believe that you go to someone for 5 years then when you go out then you will be a refined diamond basically someone else will have more shine I like the question that you have taken experience of every way you handled big clients as an article you handled when you go out as a charted because when you do as an article then you don't sign you don't sign when you have to sign then how to take management representation how to accept how to not accept what is your responsibility what is your responsibility in the rest of the standards this will come to you only when you work so I don't believe you are right you should practice your taste but if you go to practice then you will have to wait and one more thing don't hesitate if your work is not coming then work on subcontracting in the beginning all of us have grown from subcontracting the truth is someone took the job and we worked on it we learned at the same time if you don't want to work you can only work on your own you may work on your own without doubt you work on your own but you have to do subcontracting so the work of subcontracting is getting more and more so you get enough opportunities I can tell you this the lesson learned what you have told is that first you learn and as I say that first you learn then remove the L so learning and earning there are always three mantras learning, yearning and earning they are all intertwined one can always grow one does before we part for the day and connect for some other time what you feel the scope within all professions is growing according to you or because of the artificial intelligence these scopes will dwindle or people should be prepared or what skills they have to improve within themselves with the coming of the artificial intelligence the other best question for the day when you ask me if I keep the base reserved for the last day last moment if you are talking about accounting jobs 90% job accounting will end but I will say one more thing even in auditing for a long time what you do manually will be less time will be less but your data analysis will be very good when you use tools for auditing then tools will throw out all kinds of exceptions those exceptions to study your work basically in the coming time whoever will not have connection with IT our curriculum is changing where all IT will start whoever will not have connection with IT he will become a relevant professional let's be very clear about it but 2 years ago people did not understand that at remote places where they are not reaching how to audit the branches there audit is done but you have to do it very seriously people did the disclaimer it will not work you have to learn remotely the art of working through the IT in today's date most of the bigger big four or even the small and medium practitioners like us have started resorting to telling the people that you can work from home till you are delivering the whole work there is no problem my son he works for a company he works more when he is at home rather than when you have 2-3 hours of commutation 2-3 hours of commutation if you are online then you are not all day and if you are physical then you have to leave so I think online has become very important and the tools you have to use are your capacity if you don't understand it and you don't understand data analytics how to analyze the data then I think the problems are going to be bigger and you didn't ask a question but I am giving you a job here in a few years there is a regulatory activism rather hyper-activism of regulators whether it is SEBI whether it is income tax whether it is MCA in today's date there is little peace he wants more and more to be delivered that will be delivered only when you are an expert in IT you won't be able to manual everything I can tell you data you can see the AIR your annual information the financial report where it is coming from whether the government has collected and if you are not careful then what is going to happen you are going to meet with an accident so all these things if you don't get into IT if you don't learn IT the whole of Neh Karikulam I can say that the emphasis is on IT on learning so if you don't learn it then you are going to land yourself in trouble so I request you to teach your child because our knowledge where it has gone basically today as it is online you have to do it you have to do it on WhatsApp on Facebook on LinkedIn on Twitter not this and then the audit of security systems audit of IT systems today you report on IMCR how will you give it you cannot give it until you don't know IT how will you test it you have to do 200-300 tests on different points how will you test it if you don't know IT and if you are not able to test it then you cannot quantity basically so according to me the person you raised whether it is related to artificial intelligence or anything in the coming time it is the time of robots you will feed the robot that I want it let's be very clear about it but after that I say the human brain there is no substitute no matter how many robots you have there is no substitute I always say in my conferences that when we used to sit with our mother we used to talk about that in the Flane lady Flane time Flane program that is the human brain that is completely different these are all analysis analysis in real sense the robot the current ratio has improved a lot and I say the current ratio has improved but the current ratio has improved why? the debtors have increased the debtors have increased the stocks have increased the stocks are not selling so the current ratio has improved so all these things can only be done by the human brain and no one else can so the role of Charter Accountants will not end in the audit in any situation it will not end in consultancy it will not end in money laundering it will not end in benami transaction it will not end in GST accounting which is only in account writing it will not end in that because 90% of the work will be done by itself I don't have any doubt because the biggest sufferer has to be the accountant you are only accountant I am talking about that because when I started doing CA whatever my seniors will join me they will agree in our time when we were in the office the first task was to give the article to the trial balance now nobody talks about trial balance nobody talks about trial balance at all and the smaller the difference in the trial balance the more problematic it is the easier it gets nobody talks about trial balance because accounting is all going through the IT through some other tools basically so according to me in the coming time there will be some breaches in IT some breaches in controls some breaches in security system how we will catch them I think that has to be the role of the Charter Accountants in the periods to come I remember that there were 2 persons who cut 5 trees from 1 axe and 4 and by the end of the day the 5 trees and the other cut 35 so they asked him what is the difference he was cutting 4 trees the difference concluded was he used to rest get the axe sharpened up and one who was cut he was continually cut with the same tree the axe got blunt so the logic behind that profession is that until unless you don't sharpen your skills in the profession you will be out and obsolete with the flux of time and then God saves you so it was a nice interaction we have learned lot of things though primarily on this platform we have advocates as such but the key mantras for all is to remain the same that is the hard work networking, team building moving on to the society paying back to the society so thank you it was a pleasure connecting with you on this platform stay safe stay blessed thank you