 All right. Good evening, everyone. It is six o'clock and I will call the 22nd regular Common Council meeting to order. Will the clerk state the court of the evening? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. One person can make a difference and everyone should try. Right, will the clerk call the roll? All the person, Ackley. Excused. All the person, Decker. Here. All the person, Feldy. Not on, oh, she's loading. Let's keep going and come back. All the person, Flicky Panesky. All the person, Heidemann. All the person, Mitchell. All the person, Pirella. Here. All the person, Raimi. Here. All the person, Rust. Present. All the person, Salazar. Here. All the person, Feldy. Barb, can you hear us? I heard a little something. OK, it appears she is online, but we'll proceed with the meeting. If folks could stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty, and justice for all. All right. Holder Decker, approval of the minutes from our previous meeting. Thank you, Mayor. I move to approve the minutes from the 21st right with council meeting held on February 5th, 2024. Moved and seconded. All those in favor of approval of the minutes, state aye. Aye. Any objections? Minutes are approved. Next, we have a resignation, assistant city attorney, Majoris. Alderperson Amanda Salazar as Alderperson for District 3 in the city of Sheboygan, effective March 5th, 2024. Thank you. Alder, Decker, is there a motion? I move to accept and file. Moved and seconded. All right. All those in favor of accepting the resignation, state aye. Aye. Any objections? All right, that is accepted. Next, we have a mural appointments, city assistant city attorney, Majoris. Julia Hart to be considered for appointment to the library board. Michael Van der Steen to be considered for appointment to the citizens board of review. Mark Mahoney to be considered for appointment to the sustainability task force. Alder, Zach Rust to be considered for appointment as the chair for the licensing, hearing, and public safety committee, effective March 5th, 2024. Thank you. Those will lay over. City clerk, anyone for public forum this evening? We have one person, Mr. Paul Hankins. Mr. Hankins, I'm going to come on up. And then if you just want to state your name, address in the item you'll be addressing tonight. And you'll have five minutes. Thank you. OK. My name is Paul Hankins. My wife, Mary, and I live at 1407 South 7th Street in Sheboygan. Be addressing issue or agenda item 39. So 1407 South 7th Street, that might sound familiar. It's because that's the little house on the big lot that is under consideration for being developed into apartments right now. I'd like to speak to this issue tonight, not so much for or against it, but about it. We represent a unique piece of the puzzle and would like people to understand our little piece of that puzzle. We lived in Plymouth for 35 years, raised our four daughters, and thought we would remain there for the rest of our days. We loved Plymouth, but we really loved Lake Michigan. We just never thought we could get anywhere near it. And that all changed on a Saturday night in June of 2019. Driving north on South 7th Street, Mary said, oh, look at that cute little house for sale. I kind of knew I was in trouble. I wheeled around. We parked on Georgia. We glanced at the house and then made a B line for the tree line. As soon as we cleared the trees, Mary said, oh, buddy, oh, buddy, I want this. And I knew I was really in trouble. I had no idea how to do such a thing, but I knew I had to try to get it for her. Miraculously, we were in that house two months later. And our house in Plymouth sold two months after that. And there has not been a moment, a day, a season since then that we have not been giddy, giddy with gratitude and wonder at being able to live in a place like that. Yes, we knew the day could come that would wake us from our dream, but knowing it could come and knowing it might be here are very different things. So the question is, will we sell? Right now, we don't know. We started a conversation with Jake from the Malibu group. And he mentioned something about a price. And I told him this story a couple of months ago, a co-worker asked me, Paul, what's your walkaway number? What would it take for you to leave there and be happy? And we thought about it and we stopped trying to calculate it when we got well north of a million dollars. And I know that sounds ridiculous, but this is really the only place we ever want to be. We don't take trips because every place we go looks like our backyard. I'm convinced there's nothing like it on all of Lake Michigan when you consider all of the unique factors and combinations. And if there was, we sure couldn't afford it. I heard some friends of ours just listed their house on the North Shore on the bluff, a three bedroom ranch, $899,000, a three day bidding war ensued with the final price undisclosed. We'd have no shot at anything like that. So we looked at the listing. No offense. We like ours better. It's not our primary residence. It's our only residence. And the 3% loan we took out means we can live there for less than we could rent anywhere, no matter how broken down or far from the lake. So for us, there's really no place to go. I ran for Alderman last year, and had Grazia not prevailed, I'd be sitting on that side of the desk, having difficult conversations with my wife. So I think I'm thankful. I learned a lot about the city and its needs. I know housing is huge, and it's very important. It really is. I've talked with the Malibu Group, and I've done a little research. They seem like a reputable, honorable, family-owned, Wisconsin-based company, and I like that. They're not from New York or LA. No offense. I've seen the site plans and the artist renderings, and they look pretty good. I have to say. A lot of positives about this proposal. Now, Mary and I can be happy for the city. We can be happy for the developers. We can be happy for the new tenants. But we're kind of wondering how our happiness fits in with that. So I don't want to be the guy that stands in the way of progress, good things for the city. But I really don't want to be the guy who tells my wife, no bunny, no bunny. We can't have this anymore. So I always look to James 1-8. I thank the council for its hard work and all the work that people put into this. It's difficult and challenging. But James 1-8 says that if anyone lacks wisdom, they can ask God, and he will provide. No questions asked. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hankins. That will conclude our public forum. Now we got council president Decker, council vice president Salazar, city council members, department heads, city staff, and most importantly, my fellow Sheboyganites. Good evening. Tonight, I'm pleased to share with you my third State of the City address. I'm excited to share with you all the opportunities to highlight and some great accomplishments that we had in 2023. As well as share with you our vision for 2024 and what is to come. I'm pleased to report that the city of Sheboygan continues to be a leader in Wisconsin. This is mainly due to the hard work of our 450 dedicated public servants who work hard every day to provide essential municipal services to our 50,000 residents. Our skilled city employees are one of our most important assets that make the city run. 2023 has provided us a great opportunity to hire some new directors and will also ensure our success for 2024 and beyond. Their professional work experiences from other Wisconsin municipalities and their strong dedication will enhance the good work that they've already started. We've already made a positive difference in the past few months. These two new directors are HR director Kelly Hendy, who's been working diligently to support our team and director of planning and develop, Diane McGuinness Casey, who's been a true advocate for affordable housing initiatives. Most importantly, last August, the city council unanimously hired our new city administrator, Casey Bradley. Before coming here, he was the city administrator of Baraboo and is a tremendous amount of experience in public administration. I've had the thrill to work alongside of him these past few months and I'm excited that he will work diligently with city staff and these council members as we continue to grow our city. Of one special note, I'd like to offer my deep appreciation for the incredible hard work that this council has been doing these last few months. Your strong leadership and collaboration between city staff and department heads was a key component for the city accomplishing the goals and delivering the important municipal services that our residents expect. Additionally, this past year, many local leaders from across Wisconsin came together to work with the Wisconsin state legislature to help increase local funding for municipalities. I was proud to work alongside my fellow mayors to advocate for this change. The funding equation for shared revenue is broken and outdated. With the passage of Act 12 and support from our state representatives, we've made a few steps moving forward to address the financial stability for cities across the state. With the city council support, we utilized some of the new funding to add more firefighters and police officers that will continue to keep our city safe, adding more resources to our library as well as additional tools to continue to support our team and staff. I personally wanna thank State Senator Devin Lemahue, Assembly Representative Terry Kotzma, Assembly Representative Amy Binsfield and Governor Tony Evers for recognizing that the citizens of Sheboygan need their hard-earned tax dollars to return to our city so that we can continue to invest in our community. There's some other highlights that I'd like to share in accomplishments from 2023. Throughout the United States, we know that there's a national housing shortage. This is no surprise to us because this housing crisis can be felt right here at home. Our city has made some good inroads on this shortage, and in 2023, we added around 185 new housing units to our community. It's critically important that we listen to the needs of our citizens and local businesses and analyze the objective data to ensure that our housing plan continues to meet the needs of all of our citizens. We need to build workforce housing across the board. Part of this strategy will be to continue to diversify our housing stock, which will include building duplexes, townhomes, single-family homes, senior housing, and yes, even more apartments. Over the last few months, Director Bradley, Director McGinnis Casey, and Director Beebold and myself have been meeting with many of our major employers, not only in the city of Sheboygan, but across Sheboygan County. The number one theme that we've heard from our industry leaders and entrepreneurs and local businesses is to help craft and build our workforce housing is that we need to build more housing throughout our community. In 2024, we are on track to do just that. When companies are looking to grow and expand, they need places for their employees to live and their employees' family thrive. We know that workforce housing is vital for a strong economy, and over the next few months, in response to the strong demand in housing, we'll be sharing the plans to build around 3,000 new housing units over the next few years throughout our community. All of you probably are already aware that neighborhoods are the heart and soul of our community. Many of you are very active and participate in neighborhood associations, and our neighborhoods help shape the spirit throughout our city. This past year, I am pleased to say that we've established another new neighborhood association with the leadership from older Zach Rust, Sheboygan Neighborhood Pride, and several neighbors we were able to formally recognize and welcome the new Farnsworth Neighborhood Association. Of special note, and yet another reminder of how our community continues to work together and support our shared vision. In 2023, high school students in the Sheboygan area school district broke ground on their 26th home and are working alongside a variety of experts in the trades to build new homes this winter and spring, with another new home opening up in mid of 2024. And on the topic of home building, it is always a good reminder of the experts in the trades who build our homes and the many volunteers who utilize their talents to continue to build more housing. And in 2023, another organization, Habitat for Humanity Lakeside, celebrated its 30th anniversary, and their mission is to bring people together to build homes, community and hope. This past year, they just built their 50th home right here in Sheboygan County with more on the way. Together, we can truly make a city where we can all live, work and thrive. And we also understand the importance of fixing and maintaining our roads and critical infrastructure needs. I'm proud to work side a city council that believes in investing in our infrastructure and prioritizing a detailed plan to fix and maintain our roads. Future generations do not want us to kick this can down the road. In 2023, under the direction of Director David Bebel, we fixed many parts throughout Sheboygan, including North 20th Street, sections of Greenfield Avenue, several blocks of Lincoln Avenue, sections of Mayflower Avenue and Highland Terrace. And we're also able to repave sections of North 5th, 7th and 27th Street. Additionally, Indiana Avenue and Broadway Avenue have been reconstructed and repaired. This coming year in 2024, get ready because we're rolling out the orange barrels once again and we're on track to fix Sock Trail Road, Swift Avenue, North 15th Street, North 36th Street, South 11th, 19th and 20th Street, as well as the Western part of Broadway Avenue, as well as parts of Union Avenue and yes, Lincoln Avenue from Barrett Drive to North 6th Street. We are also excited that in 2023, the city of Sheboygan was recertified as a bike-friendly community. Additionally, thanks to the recent bipartisan infrastructure law, the city of Sheboygan was able to receive a grant from the Safe Streets for All program. This grant will help us craft and implement our complete streets initiative. This will allow us to increase safety, reduce speeding and reckless driving, while helping make our city safer and more walkable for all of our residents. Please stay engaged and check out the Department of Public Works webpage for more information on our complete streets planning program. Also in 2024 and over the next few months, thanks to the hard work of our planning and development staff and Administrator Bradley, as well as the redevelopment authority, we will have over $650 million of new economic development investment right here in our city. This is one of the biggest investments in our city in the past few decades. And as holders, I ask you to get engaged in the process and support these initiatives. A key partner in these many new developments has been the redevelopment authority. At this time, I'd like to personally thank and recognize the leadership of the longtime chair of the RDA, Alder Roberta Flicky Paneski. As the chair of the RDA, she has served under seven mayors and under her leadership, the redevelopment authority has been a great partner in expanding our tax base and leading key development initiatives in our city with more on their way and more future announcements to come. Our local economy is strong and currently our unemployment rate is 2.1% and this is lower than our long-term average of 4.23%. We are so fortunate to live in a city with strong economic partners because we know collaboration has never done silos. Our local Sheboygan County Chamber of Commerce with its more than 830 members in the Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation provides valuable workforce and development initiatives as well as providing us unique programming to support our many local businesses here. We also know a key component of having a strong economic community is having strong and secure public safety. Sheboygan continues to be one of the safest communities to live in Wisconsin and thanks to the unanimous support of the city council, we were able to utilize American Rescue Act plan funds to help fund two new key programs focused on community public safety. We now have a crisis response program which is a partnership with our police department and a local nonprofit Elevate. This allows emergency calls that involve mental health issues to be addressed right there in support our police officers. Another initiative is the public safety neighborhood initiatives with social worker program which will address key neighborhood issues. These initiatives required cross collaboration between the city, the police department, Sheboygan County Health and Human Services as well as the sheriff's department. Additionally, in the city council strong support of our 2024 budget, we were able to add more firefighter paramedics to our staff as well as additional staff to our police force. These steps will ensure that our paramedics and firefighters can respond quickly to health related crises and ensure that our police department can respond more effectively to those emergency calls. Our community is truly safer when everyone gets involved and participates. Now, everyone knows that the natural beauty of Lake Michigan and our citizens really help frame why Sheboygan is known as the Malibu of the Midwest. Our tourism continues to grow and thrive. We continue to have a record number of tourism each year. Last year, the city of Sheboygan hosted the Mercury Midwest Challenge which brought powerboat races back to our shore for the first time in decades. This event brought over 40,000 tourists to our city over the course of the weekend with many folks coming to visit our city. Visitor spending came close to $4.7 million for that weekend. This successful event resulted in the city of Sheboygan being awarded the 2023 Race Site of the Year Award by the American Power Boat Association. Now, this weekend in pulling off this event was no easy task and I want to thank P1 Offshore for selecting us to host this event last year and again this summer. Also, I wanna recognize our Department of Public Works, Shoreline Metro, Police and Fire Departments as well as the Sheriff's Department, the DNR, the Coast Guard and Visit Sheboygan for bringing folks together to pull this event off and I'm looking for another successful one this summer. I'm thrilled to share that the success of last year has resulted in the city of Sheboygan gaining the opportunity to once again host this event in August. And a big thank you to P1 Offshore for selecting us to be this host once again. So in 2023, we had 28 boats that roared on our shores right here in city. This coming summer, we're gonna more than double that with 70 boats on the way. Our local businesses wanna make sure that we're experiencing the benefit from these large events and we all know that our local businesses are the heart of our local economy. I'm thrilled to highlight a few successes for many local businesses and new ones coming down the pike. In the north side of the city, in Alderfellies District, Freighter and the Medical College of Wisconsin is moving forward with a $70 million development and we're excited that Freighter will encompass a neighborhood hospital with emergency rooms, outpatient surgery, a new medical office building and we're excited that this project is estimated to create over 300 jobs right here for our community. Now I wanna recognize some of our local restaurants and who doesn't love pizza? So now you can order pizza by the slice on Michigan Avenue at Uptown Slice and they have their doors open for a variety of pizza selection for folks that are craving the New York style pizza. And last October, because October is National Pizza Month, we made it an initiative to visit and recognize every single local pizza shop throughout our city of Sheboygan. That was a fun initiative. Another restaurant that opened up was Venny's Pancake House. This family-owned restaurant offers sit-down options with wonderful breakfast and lunch choices. So go check it out. It's on the east side, excuse me, the west side of Michigan Avenue and it will offer many great breakfast and pancakes for your delight. Now one of the benefits of being in the Midwest is our investment in having a strong manufacturing economic base. I wanna recognize both tonight HTT and NEMAC that are both growing and expanding right here in Sheboygan. HTT is a locally-owned metal stamping company right in older Mitchell's District, District 9, that is growing their footprint right here in Sheboygan. With the city council support, we're helping this business grow and expand. Additionally, NEMAC in this business park, you'll see some cranes in the sky. NEMAC is adding 49,000 square foot to their existing plant in order to add more to their die-cast production. This expansion project will be done in several phase over the next coming months. I also wanna just briefly highlight a few other projects and initiatives that are going on in the city. We are blessed with many beautiful parks and green spaces woven throughout our community and families want their kids to grow up next to parks and not empty parking lots. In the coming months, we'll continue to make investments in our green spaces so that we can be more sustainable in our ecosystems. Some of these projects will include planting more trees, making sure that we're adding additional dog parks, as well as more pickleball courts. Sheboygan is very blessed to have two longstanding sister city relationships. Last year, we hosted our friends from Essling in Germany during the fourth of July weekend, showing them a true American experience. I'm excited to announce that we'll have a delegation this coming summer from our Japanese sister city in Subame. Planning is already underway and this will be the first time that this delegation has visited our city in over 20 years. Now, the uptown parklet continues to also grow. This parklet has been a collaborative effort between a lot of the businesses in uptown and this parklet activates the neighborhood and provides local businesses and restaurants and neighbors are placed to gather, enjoy music, participate in events and enjoy local food and beverages. I also wanna shout out the man behind the camera, Scott Miloff from WSCS, our local TV station for making sure that we can broadcast all of our meetings and share with the public. But I also wanna know through his advocacy and his team that we brought back local sports broadcasting. So folks can now watch North and South games and other variety of sporting events from the comfort of their own home. So thank you, Scott, for leading that. Our wonderful senior center, as Marilyn and Anne Kraft know, is growing and continues to get more involved. We're breaking records with membership and involvement and Uptown Social now has more than doubled its membership before we were in our old senior center. This year, we'll begin the second phase of building out this facility, which will include a new gymnasium, as well as adding picklebacks. Now, before I conclude my speech, I wanna take this moment to recognize two city employees who have dedicated their lives to improve the city's Sheboygan. I've had the pleasure of working with these two gentlemen, both as my time as a city council member as well as the mayor. Over three decades of excellent service to our community, they will soon be retiring. And we will surely miss them and wish them the best for their upcoming retirements. So please join me in thanking director David Bebel, as well as city engineer Ryan Sazma for their many, many years of retirement for the city. Thank you. So I am so proud to call the city Sheboygan my hometown. And I'm proud to once again say that the state of our city is strong. And reflecting on this past year, Sheboygan is strong because of the dedication of our city employees, the partnerships that we create with local businesses, organizations, and neighborhoods, and the progress that we've made together to make Sheboygan one of the best places to live or can play. So thank you so much. Let's continue to keep moving our city forward. And thank you and God bless the great city of Sheboygan. Thank you. So on more important news, I wanna recognize and congratulate Dan Bogy Bogan shoots as he was just nominated or he was nominated but he got selected as a Sheboyganite, Sheboyganative to join the Sheboygan, not the Sheboygan, excuse me, the Green Bay Packer Hall of Fame. So this has been a competitive process. So we're always great to recognize local folks and their support of America's real team, the Green Bay Packers. As folks know, Alder Salazar is resigning from the council. We're so excited to see what her future holds and the great work that she's gonna continue to do for our community. And just wanna recognize that folks in district three, if you are interested in filling the vacancy, please get your letter of interest, cover letter and resume to the city clerk's office by March 14th by 430, that's a Thursday to the city clerk and the council will vote to fill the vacancy on March 18th. Those are my announcements, thank you. All right, next we'll jump into the consent agenda. Items 10 through 17. Alder Decker. Thank you, mayor. I move to receive and file all ROs, receive all RCs and adopt all resolutions and ordinances. It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion on any of the items in the consent agenda? Alder Flikipineski. Just a clarification for number 12, the motor vehicle fund. We were gonna buy a tar kettle, but now we're buying a truck from the water utility and we'll refurbish the truck, which will take the tar kettles place. So we will no longer have the tar kettle on capital improvements. Who wants to say, Dr. Weebel? For this period of time, our current tar kettle is still serviceable and in good condition. We were having experience problems with it and weren't able necessarily to get the parts, but now we are able to and it's operational. So we are delaying that so we don't need it this year and we've wanted to use this basically money that was allocated to purchase this truck. This truck will provide much more flexibility and much more use than the tar kettle, which is seasonal. This piece of equipment will allow us to be used this year round and again, we're purchasing it through the water utility that no longer needs it and this will be a real asset to our fleet. Follow up. Thank you. So we will still see a tar kettle further down the line in capital improvements. Eventually, yes, I can say if it's gonna be next year already, but it will be in the system as a planned replacement. Thank you. Additional questions on the consent agenda? All right, seeing no more queues. This will be a roll call vote. Nine eyes. All right, that's approved. Next report of officers, items 18 through 21 will be referred to their respective committees. Items 22 through 24 will lay over. Next, item 25 resolution number 562324 by elders Decker and Salazar authorizing retaining outside legal counsel to represent the city in the matter Catherine Cobbs v. City Shboygan Department of Workforce Development Equal Rights Division and authorizing payment of said services. Holder Decker. Thank you, Mayor. I ask us to spend the rules. Any objection? Seeing none, please proceed. I move to adopt the resolution. Moved and seconded. Any discussion? Seeing none. This is a roll call vote. Nine eyes. That's approved. Resolution number 26 resolution number 1582324 by older persons. Decker, Salazar authorizing the sale of the city of Shboygan parcel number 59281712950 to Tracy Merritts. Older Decker. Thank you, Mayor. I ask us to spend the rules. Any objections? Seeing none, please proceed with your motion. I move to adopt the resolution. Moved and seconded. Any discussion on this item? All right, seeing none. This is a roll call vote. Nine eyes. That's approved. Items 27 through 37 will be referred to their respective committees. Right. Item 38, reports of committees. RC number 1992324 by the Finance and Personnel Committee to whom was referred. Resolution or RO number 1062324 by city administrator Casey Bradley, submitting a communication to Mayor Ryan Sorenson and the common council members, providing background information on the proposed development agreement between the city of Shboygan and Malibu Apartments. Alder Mitchell. Thank you, Mayor. I move to receive the RC and file the document. Moved and seconded. Any discussion on this item? Alder Perlow. Yes, I just want to make a comment and explain my vote on this briefly. I know that apartment buildings are needed, especially affordable housing. The Mayor has reiterated that I agree with that. We know that that is true. And then we have city limits constraints that makes apartment buildings even more necessary. So I want to reiterate that apartment buildings are okay and I support them as often as I can. However, in this case, I have to be honest with myself. I do think that this project is too dense for this area and therefore I don't feel comfortable with approving this agreement with the project as it looks right now. Was it or should the project, would the project be smaller and I think more appropriate to this area and land? I would have my full consideration. I just don't feel comfortable with the density of this project on this land. Of course, many constituents also reached out to me but I had to do a little bit of soul searching and this is really coming from my conviction that it would not be appropriate this density on this land. Thank you. Thank you, Alder Perlow. Other discussion on this item? Seeing none, this is a roll call vote. Seven ayes, two noes. That's approved. Next item 39, RC number 223, 24 by the Finance and Personnel Committee to who was referred to resolution number 146, 2324 by Alder Persons Mitchell and Flicky Panesky authorizing entering into tax incremental tax incremental district development agreement with Malbu Apartments LLC for the development of the former kite beach site located at 1403 through 1435 South Seventh Street Alder Mitchell. Thank you, Mayor. I move to receive the RC and adopt the resolution. Moved and seconded. Any discussion? Alder Heidemann. Thank you, Mayor. Again, Alder MacGausie kind of expressed some of my concerns with the size of the project. I also don't never got anything back as far as the effect of property values for the people that are gonna be living in that area. Is that gonna increase their property values? Is it gonna lower their property values? And again, as I many, many times drive down Lakeshore Drive I can actually see the lake, okay? How long is it gonna be when you cannot see the lake on the south side of Sheboy? So I'm not in support of this project because one I think it's too large and I think it's gonna, it doesn't have a positive effect on that area. And also at one time, that was my area. When I was first in Alderman, that was the district that I had. So I know that district. So again, I won't be supporting it. Minister DeBreadley. Just a comment on the value. I thought I did follow up with you on that one. As far as the property values in the area? Yes. Okay, maybe I just. This won't actually have an impact. We use the sales approach. So they'll use apartments are valued on the income approach and properties are valued on the sales approach. So this won't have a substantial impact of any kind of that property. Now, if other projects come in and start paying more for that property, then that will have a different effect on that. Right now, I mean, you could make the argument that this has been a blighted site for the last 20 plus years being that it's been declared a contaminated site and non-buildable. So I don't know that that's had a real negative effect on property values in that area either. So I don't see this having a substantial increase on that as well. Okay, thank you. Follow up, Alder Heidemann? No. Okay. Alder or Salazar? So this is probably for Administrator Bradley. When they're working on the project and the developers are creating this, is there any sort of, is there any point in the project development where they'll get to it and decide, maybe it isn't this scope or they've already pre-worked through that and decided this is what they want. This is the commitment of it, meaning all the units, sounds like it's 210. So this is a long process. This is step one in that process. So this still, if you read through the development agreement, it requires that they go through every step in our process. So the next step will be for them to start the PUD, the rezoning of that property and then coming back with formal plans. This right now, what we're working on is just a development agreement and concept of what, if they move forward, what we will do if they perform as laid out in the development agreement. If we have to make an amendment for some reason, they're able to do a smaller project if that's truly what council wants and they're able to do that. I know with this particular project, we've kind of talked about it a little bit. The developer, ultimately, because of the contamination on that site is going to spend about $50 million and the value of the project's only going to be around 40. So they're losing a substantial amount of money. So the density helps to offset that and makes it the project actually possible. So a smaller scale project on this site, I know this developer would be willing to entertain that, but with this particular site, it won't work just because of financially, it's not a viable project. We need a factor in today's interest rates and what they would actually have to recoup from what they're losing right off the bat. Okay, yep, so I understand what you're saying in sharing that information, but there is a possibility that they could go there and they might themselves through this process realize that it may need to be smaller or it needs to be this large in order for them to move forward on it. It sounds like to cash flow the project right now. Now, if it comes in and they're able to do construction methods a little different and they're working through that now, right now we're, they're anticipating that they're gonna have to do a number of peers. They're hoping to do geo peers as opposed to regular peers. So, you know, those are things that'll get flushed out as they're going through their design process. Right now, Stantec is representing the county and doing an environmental cleanup plan. That's gonna have some effects on their design. So, I don't think they're exact on what all their costs are going to be. They need less. So, we need to kind of work through that process until it's fully. I think that's. Barb, are you looking to speak? I'm sorry, but my phone wasn't working, I guess it is now. Oh, okay, nevermind. Anything else, Administrator Bradley? All right, older cells are any other comments? No, I, no, I don't. I've got Halder Decker. Thank you, Mayor. I guess I'm in support of this because I think that if we do not do anything here, I mean, this property set make it now for over 20 years. And I guess I look back at, we had a similar property not too long ago that actually set bacon for 40 years, where it's set in, you know, and we didn't collect any taxes on it. We didn't do anything with it. We got nothing out of it. And I think if we don't take this opportunity now, we may be sitting for a long time without anything there. Thank you, Alder Decker. Alder, Raimi. Thank you, Mayor. Can you maybe clarify what the average cost of rent is gonna be at this apartment? I'm close so they can hear me. We do have the rental information, you know, ultimately that's up to the developer if they wanna disclose that. We need it for valuation purposes. I can say this will not be the top of the market by any means. It's very reasonable. They're looking at this, you know, they wanna fill it. They want it to be a desirable location. And it's not necessarily driven by price, but the location itself and the amenities. So I'd say they're very fair in what they've proposed. And first, first quarter will be very much in line with, I'd say some of our higher end, but not necessarily over those. So very competitive with today's existing rental rates per square foot. I have just a comment. I just, I feel like we are doing more luxury and more expensive and more higher end things, which is sexy and great and all of that. But I hear more and more that people are not finding homes and finding places to dwell in our community that they can afford. So that's a little bit of a turn off for me. I think it's a beautiful development. It looks lovely, but is it truly what we need on our Lakeshore? So that's my comment. Thank you. Thank you, Alderimi. Well, we do have, we did provide the information from redevelopment resources who is currently working on our housing study. What you'll see, you know, you're common as to nobody can find anything that's very accurate. As of January 23rd, 2024, there was 34 units listed for rent in the city of Sheboygan. They have a breakdown there of what was available. A healthy market community, which you would have some flexibility and price and unit type would be about five to 10% vacancy rate. Right now, we have less than 1%. So that's across all areas, not low income, not high income, but everything. So opening things up throughout the spectrum will help. So you'll have some folks that'll move into newer apartments, which will vacate lower apartments. So there will be shifting around that takes place in the marketplace, regardless of what level these or price point apartments are at. Projects that we're working on. You know, we're doing the partners. That will be a low income. We have a number of projects, bringing hundreds of units across the spectrum over a variety of different projects. So we kind of try to manage where we're at price per square foot. How does that fit with kind of that demand? So yes, you're gonna see projects that are gonna be on the high end. You're gonna see projects that are on the lower end. You know, the subsidized housing are gonna be projects that we're gonna be more financially involved with. You know, where we use a lot of our ARPA funds just because those projects on their own aren't financially viable right now. So yes, we're all over the spectrum, but ultimately, you know, just to hit that healthy market with, you know, if today's demand would meet what we actually need to meet our demand for housing. You're looking at, we would need 575 units. That's assuming that none of them are absorbed. So as soon as they're absorbed, which we're hysterically seeing will take place in about a three to six month period. Like when the Oscars opened within six months, our market rate was back, our availability of the market was back down under 1%. And we consistently are seeing that every time large developments open up. So, you know, that kind of comes in line with number four there, there's about 850 to 1,000 new jobs that they're already aware of. And that's what's filling these apartments. So as the housing becomes available, it gets taken up. And that lack of availability is what continues to drive the prices up across all of our housing ranges. It's not just high income or low income. They're all gonna go up because of the demand. All right, Alder Prelum? Yeah, just as a point of clarification in the education. So the 34 units you mentioned before as being the only available, obviously we didn't consider into our calculation of our current status all the units that will become available with the new apartment buildings on Indiana and on business tribe. So the units that are coming out of the view building and on the Berkshire building, we didn't calculate those. Just for me to understand these numbers. I can't remember the number of units of the view and or of the Berkshire, but I think that between the two of them are around 110 or 100 and something units. Did we calculate those? Mr. Bradley? No, this is what's available today. Those apartments will be in the market and completely absorbed before this project is ready to go. So that number will grow, but there may be more apartments in the market, but what we've seen historically within the, that three to six month period, all of those apartments are taken up and then you have below 1% vacancy rate within a three to six month period of those apartments becoming available. There are a large number of those apartments that are also age restricted. So they won't even be available to the larger market that may be looking for them. All right, seeing no more. Everyone good? Okay, seeing no more queues. This is a roll call vote. Holder Salazar? Okay, sorry. Take your time. Six eyes, two nos, one abstain. All right, that's approved. Item 40, RC number 195-23-24 by Public Works Committee to whom was referred resolution number 152-23-24 by all the persons, Decker and Rust, authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute an agreement between the city of Sheboygan and Fox Valley Athletics LLC for management operations, management and operations of the recreational programs at Wildwood Athletic Complex. Holder, Decker? Thank you, Mayor. I move to receive the RC and adopt the resolution. Any discussion on this item? All right, seeing none. This is a roll call vote. Nine eyes. That's approved. All right, I hope there's a thorough discussion on that committee on this. There was, there was. Good, good. All right, RC number 201-23-24 by the Finance and Personnel Committee to whom was referred resolution number 149-23-24 by older persons, Mitchell and Flicky Panesky authorizing the purchase of 1211 North 23rd Street from the Aurora Medical Group for future use by the city. Alder Mitchell? Thank you, Mayor. I move to receive the RC and adopt the resolution. Moved and seconded. Any discussion on this item? All right, seeing none. This is a roll call vote. Nine eyes. That's approved. Item 42, RC number 202-23-24 by the Finance and Personnel Committee to whom was referred direct referral resolution number 154-23-24 by older persons, Mitchell and Flicky Panesky authorizing the appropriate city officials to sign the January 1st, 2024, December 31st, 2026 contract between the city of Sheboygan and the Sheboygan professional police officers to the supervisory association. Alder Mitchell? Move to receive the RC and adopt the resolution. Moved and seconded. Any discussion on this item? Seeing none. This is a roll call vote. Nine eyes. That's approved. Item 42, excuse me, item 43, RC number 203-23-24 by the Finance and Personnel Committee to whom was referred direct referral resolution number 155-23-24 by older persons, Mitchell and Flicky Panesky authorizing entering into a tax incremental district development agreement between Revit Properties LLC regarding the development improvements to be located at 827 North 14th Street in the city of Sheboygan. Alder Mitchell? Move to receive the RC and adopt the resolution. Moved and seconded. Any discussion on this item? All right, seeing none. This is a roll call vote. Nine eyes. That's approved. Item 44, RC number 204-23-24 by the Licensing, Hearing and Public Safety Committee to whom was referred general ordinance number 40-23-24 by older persons, Salazar and Feldy amending various provisions of the municipal code relating to open burning so as to create additional regulations of business burning within the city including regulations allowing additional forms of open burn so as such forms are safe and approved by the fire department. Alder Salazar? I move to receive the RC and adopt the resolution. Second. Moved and seconded. Any discussion on this item? Yeah. Alder Salazar? Can you volley this over to the representative we have here from the fire department to get some clarification on what open fire means to the general public before we just kind of move on past this, I'd like the whole public to understand what we're doing here. AC Lubbert? Sure, so essentially what we're doing is we're just kind of updating our open burn policy to meet the times of today. So there's a couple of things going on. The Department of Public Works, they do prescribe burns which isn't really part of our ordinance at this point. So they've just been kind of doing them. This kind of brings them being able to do their prescribed burns for invasive species up at like Evergreen Park as part of our ordinance. And then it takes care of some of the stuff like some of the things that we see now it takes care of like gas, sorry, propane grills or electric grills at apartment buildings which we don't really have in our ordinance right now. So you can't have a regular grill at the apartment buildings but this ordinance will allow people to have a gas grill at the apartment buildings as long as it meets certain parts of the code. It's either sprinkled outside or there's non-combustible materials. And then it addresses, there was citizens that wanted to have like the propane heaters so it adds that into our burning ordinance. So really there's not a lot of major changes. It just has to do with that. So as far as the open flame is concerned that would be like in your backyard, a part of the burn ordinance is you can have a fire ring as long as it's within 10 feet of a property and it's no bigger than 32 inches wide and it's not interfering with your neighbors. So we're just kind of bringing our ordinance up to 2024. Did I answer your question, I hope. Yes, thank you. I just wanted to get some clarification out in the public so that there's just not like, oh, they're burning everything in Jamaica. No, so and just to follow up, I had a long discussion with the fire inspector this morning. We're not going to be granted open burn in to like citizens to burn brush in their backyard. These are really just rare instances for things such as like the WPW burning for invasive species and stuff like that. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah. Alder, Fliki Paneski. Thank you. I would just like to thank whoever was responsible for giving us the old document red line with the new language so we could see what it was and what it is going to be and what was the added new. So thank you to the committee and I'm sure the legal department for doing that. You can think our new software. Oh, thank you, new software. Thank you. Additional comments on this item? Seeing no more cues. This is a roll call vote. Nine eyes. All right, that's approved. All right, item 45 will be sent to the city planning commission. We've exhausted our agenda. Alder Decker. Thank you, Mayor. I move to adjourn. All those in favor of adjourning state. Aye. Aye. Any opposition? We're adjourned at 6 57. Good night.