 Haven't finished eating the questions that I already had. I'm not ready for more questions, sir Listen, man I'm sure that there's somebody who's mapped out every single scene and and part of what I've loved about the show is That it gives you these scenes that you might not think are all that important But they do seem a little off for for some reason And then you know, they turn out to be these other bigger things One one little illusion because this is definitely a show that is not shied away From kind of like dead-on Illusions and references to other properties. Mm-hmm. I'll try to do this in a nice boy. Yeah The room That our main character Spends the majority of the episode in mm-hmm Very evocative of the room in the wire Where oh my god, I'm going inception level spoilers here a pivotal scene in the wire Where a main character mm-hmm his end. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're you're right. Thank that could just be like Well all abandoned places look similar. Yeah, until there's three people in a room and a gun's out I'm just saying you're not wrong. I Because I was like man that looks like that and then I'm like I wonder if they're like trying to go after that and then three people are in the room. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Oh, yeah, that could be a touch. It could be an homage. I think I think it is. Yeah I only I only think that because they've been they've done plenty of those things where it's either through music cues or visual stuff or like stunt casting They've tried to like yeah, haven't steered away from no. This is that thing Hold on. There's a little back to the future references in the last episode With all the music. All right. We ready to go here with this this here episode Mr. No, I wasn't looking at the video. I didn't realize you had actually walked away I am good. I'm going dark All right, here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more at Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday September 21st 2016 I'm Tom Merritt Justin Robert young alongside for a Thursday of Politics well not we're not gonna talk about politics, but we're gonna talk about Predicting the results of elections Yeah, you know Focus data is something that obviously over the past. I mean geez 75 to 30 years has become a more and more interesting part of politics from buying magazine subscriptions and direct mail all through you know of Facebook campaigns, but We're going to see whether or not the one thing that has yet to really be proven Where polling has found a match in Twitter likes? Yeah, and it there there's more Rigor to this than you may imagine if you've been sucked in by Upworthy headlines about using Twitter to predict this and that in the past. We understand your skepticism But there there's more to this Than than some of those studies in the past there also may be less to it We'll talk about that as well But it but it's certainly in advance down that road And if you are the kind of person who breaks out in hives when you're worried that someone's just gonna start talking about politics You don't want to hear about whether it's politics. You don't agree with or you're just tired of it all We're not gonna get into the issues We promise to be free of the issues Don't worry normally people say don't worry. We won't cover the coverage We are going to be only covering the coverage exactly. We're safely only going to be covering not even all of the coverage just polls Yeah Neutonomy self-driving cars we've talked about them They're on the ground in Singapore and you can now hail them using the ride hailing service grab and and don't forget They only travel within that 1.5 square mile area called north one in Singapore But it's Singapore versus Pittsburgh out there in the battle of hailing self-driving cars Pirate versus Merlion who will emerge here are some more top stories This one's no fun yahoo reported Thursday the data on 500 million user accounts was accessed without authorization in 2014 Now you'll see it called stolen Yeah, I know I know it's easy to call it stolen I don't like to call it stolen because it's data. You can't steal data. You can only copy it You can access it and copy it. That's what happened. Anyway, yahoo believes it was a state-sponsored actor yahoo says the data accessed may have included names email addresses telephone numbers dates of birth and Hashed passwords, but may not have included unprotected passwords or payment card data or bank account information yahoo began sending affected users an email starting at 11 30 a.m. Pacific this morning It will also ask those who haven't updated passwords since 2014 to do so and it's telling people look You might want to improve the security We have this this new system where you don't even have to use a password to securely log in We're going to reset some security questions for people and uh, if you're just worried about it at all You might want to change your password anyway, uh, even if we don't contact you The big thing obviously in any hack like this is there's going to be a ton of phishing attempts to try to trick people Into giving away their yahoo account information by pretending to be yahoo So make sure to go to yahoo.com and find the information if you're looking for it Don't just respond to any particular email in your email account All right, um, let's play a great game called how newsworthy is it? uh yahoo 5 million users breach pretty newsworthy because of the number right 100 million 500 million sorry 500 million. Yeah. No, I know it's a big number. It's hard to I can't be 500 That's just ridiculous. No, it's not. I don't know. Yeah 500 million with an m But here more so for me is the newsworthy element 24 team for those of you who do not have a calendar currently 2016 what has happened between uh, uh those then and now Well, yahoo has gone through a lot of turmoil much of it focused on selling to another company This begins to get into for me What did you know and when did you know it? heritor For the yahoo leadership now. I I I don't think that this is necessarily going to be the main through line, but It does raise suspicion it bears asking questions how why this is just now coming to life, right? No, it does not it doesn't in my opinion. Why not? Here's why We've seen a lot of these these hacks come out recently. LinkedIn had one from 2012 which is farther back a lot of times Attackers are able to infiltrate an organization access a database and be gone without being detected Yes, that is a failure in your security, but it is not a particular failure of yahoo We've seen this happen over and over and over and over That that is something that happens where you don't discover it until later the other Thing that's being thrown around is yeah, but recode Announced this earlier and there was a guy selling the database earlier this year Why didn't they tell us then well first of all recode posted yesterday that their sources said yahoo was about to make an announcement yahoo doesn't make the announcement until they're sure about the breach Today, they were sure about the breach so they make the announcement the guy selling the database in 2012 could be selling a bunk database So yahoo has to investigate and make sure that's a real breach and what the nature of it is Also, you may not be talking about the same breach. Jeremiah Grossman on twitter just now said look State actors don't generally vend their databases Through through channels. So it is quite possible that these are two different breaches The 2012 one could even be made up of other breaches where someone runs a script to validate those accounts against yahoo because people reuse passwords So yahoo is announcing it now Because they have just now gone through the process of discovering the breach Validating it and being able to tell people what happened if they announce it before they know what happened They're under even more scrutiny and criticism for causing Undue panic when they and not having answers for people. Okay, and let's understand that We are not trying to cast aspersions on yahoo, right but I do think that it bears asking the questions and they have the burden of proof You know on on them to say yeah, no we found out about this at this point And These are the steps we went through. This is the timeline for it They need to establish the timeline because although everything you said is absolutely reasonable It is also, I mean and now the the sale to yahoo, which is still in the machinations of Happening to verizon is These gears turn slowly right and and I mean sure at this point It's in yahoo's best interest to lay all that out because so many people are hurling accusations against them So that's the nature of today. However, if I'm yahoo and I want to cover this up I wait until the verizon deals closed I don't I don't do it right in the middle of the approval process This is the worst this is the worst possible time to reveal a breach if you're going to try to time it You either want to do it early on or you want to do it after you don't want to do it in the middle of regulatory approval It's awful point because yeah, sure nixon would have bragged about watergate after he finished his second You're saying they didn't have a choice, but I don't know that that's true Sure. I guess here's here's my my My brain says this I'm not saying they did anything wrong And as you laid out there are plenty of very very very plausible understandable reasons why this comes out exactly now, right? But because of the circumstances that surround them They do need to ask they they do need to answer these timeline questions Like I don't think that like yes, the accusations are coming at them But I don't know if they're baseless. I don't think that this is just Silicon Valley hubbub. Let's let's pin the pin the shamed tail on yahoo. Oh, I Really do think it's that I really do. Uh, I I think Both I think there is there is a certain amount of validity in what you say Regarding the fact that they are in the middle of a transaction and for for shareholder due diligence They if nothing else they need to lay out all of these facts because verizon is going to want to adjust that share price Based on this this is damaging to the brand and that's all of that is fair All of that is fair a lot of these accusations like why yahoo didn't tell us earlier Etc. Etc. Etc. Are really motivated by people just wanting to sling mud at yahoo and marissa meyer in particular I don't I mean yes, listen Making fun of yahoo The national pastime Exactly it is the most wonderful time of the year, right? You know the leaves are changing. We're making fun of yahoo It's a pumpkin spice latte festival for everybody, but I I I don't think that these are unreasonable questions to ask Yeah, I I can't disagree with you there because there are reasonable Points to to make right there are reasonable reasons to ask them I don't believe that's why most people are asking them though. Well now, but now you're getting into You know motivations. Yeah, no, absolutely It's true But I I will I will concede that the fact that you are in the middle of an acquisition means yes You have to put as much information out to the shareholders involved to verizon And because that requires revelations, you know under certain regulations. Those are going to have to be public And and that's that's going to happen no matter what so it almost doesn't matter But I don't think that you can I don't think it's fair to jump to a conclusion That yahoo is acting nefariously here when they're acting almost exactly like every other company that's had a breach And in fact their breach is more recent in 2014. It's only two years old versus Numerous breaches over the past year that have been from 2012 Yeah, and and again There are very good reasons. There are there is a very reasonable timeline But it's up to them to lay it out because the larger newsworthy question out there Should they not is did yahoo put their potential sale? Did they prioritize that over the safety and security of their users? And that's fair enough. That's that's the question elon musk meanwhile Tweeted thursday about a guy who never courts any controversy. Oh sweet lord. No when he's not, you know at 1 a.m Tweeting, uh, you know clips from the lego movie to talk about his fake company Elon musk tweeted thursday about an october 29th announcement in the san francisco area for a new tesla solar city solar roof with integrated power wall 2.0 battery and tesla charger This sounds like the realization of the details of musk's master plan part two For those of you who are just new to this. This is literally what he called his master plan part. Do like hot shots Uh for tesla released in july solar city and tesla plan emerged, but the deal has not yet been closed uh october 29th a spoo key announcement What do you think um, uh, this was really interesting because what we're looking at is somebody also in the middle of a possible acquisition But this one is actually way more controversial than yahu and verizon because it's elon musk asking elon musk If he could sell his company to himself and a bunch of other shareholders along now If you haven't been following this musk recused himself, uh from from the situation. So he has left it up to the non Uh combined shareholders in solar city and tesla But I think this plan Is certainly one that he would do either way if solar city does not merge with tesla He still intends to do this kind of cooperation with the two companies But it certainly helps to shut to nudge the shareholders along delay. Hey, look what these two companies can do together It's it's a perfect marriage solar city puts the solar panels on the roof tesla makes the power wall battery that goes inside your house and it charges your tesla car From from literally top to bottom. We've got the whole thing solved Yeah, I think that's that's why uh, you know, this just kind of makes sense that the big the big curiosity is and this is really where elon musk Is with all of his companies teslas. I mean now the combined tesla solar city and SpaceX is where we're past the exciting announcement phase for him. We are now in the Rubber meets the road literally with tesla in terms of seeing can they meet demand? You know, sure. There's a lot of money that's coming in for the the newest more more affordable model of the tesla vehicle How do those roll out? How do they uh fair when they are out there on this larger scale? You know same thing with space with with spacex now that these Rockets are coming along At a steady clip. Are there questions about are they moving too fast? Are they not using the right parts? Are the oversight is that where that needs to be? And to be fair, I am a musk fanboy on a lot of this stuff But with spacex considering the rocket that blew up on on the pad And the one that did so in the air a few months ago. There are some legitimate questions so But this is is I think A lower stakes kind of thing because again, we know that solar city can do solar panels We know that tesla's building rad batteries This seems like just the combo pack that was waiting to happen and it's definitely definitely meant to nudge shareholders along towards a merger without violating Any of the provisions that prevent you from doing things to nudge shareholders along for a merger because you can do it either way It's it's not doing it's not promising something if if people vote one way or another I'm sure ilan thought it was a great idea while in his yurt at bernie Online dating site tinder announced a new app for apple's eye message app store called tinder stacks The app lets users create simple polls with images stacked on top of each other It doesn't have anything to do with dating But you still do the swipe right or swipe left to indicate your opinion of each image So an example they gave was you've got several outfits You're considering before you head out for the night you take pictures You put them in the poll with your friends and your friends swipe right or left and you see the results Users have to have the tinder app or install the tinder app to take advantage of the tinder stacks But if you already have tinder on your phone, you can then just turn it on in iMessage and you'll you'll get tinder stacks in your iMessage apps so I do not read this carefully enough Can you list other people's pictures there? Uh, I well you can put whatever pictures you want In there, so I guess if you can get other people's images you can put them in there I think you're pulling it off your photo roll though. Oh, okay Yeah, and this is just you know tinder's way of doing it I got his theory of this because I think this is okay. It's interesting a little bit But but I don't know if it's the greatest thing in the world also I think it's safe to say that both Tom and I are kind of outside the traditional tinder demo in terms of our personal lives So I have not spent a lot of time in the app. However Here's something. I'm very bullish on Is the iMessage app store? I think that that this might be the you know apples Long sucked at web services and they've long sucked famously their most their loudest failures have been in social networks and yet They have this element of of the core ios For which is very popular with some people I have friends that delete their facebook's Because they don't care about it every once in a while when when when the heat gets too hot in the kitchen They'll delete it and restart it. They don't care about it that much. It's it's a digital footprint That sometimes they want there sometimes they don't and yet thousands of of of text a day in an iMessage group chat and they use every element of the iMessage group chat and I don't think that in a world where we chat and line And facebook messenger have attracted the kind of attention that they've gotten that it's insignificant That apple has the kind of foothold that they have In their native messaging app and the fact that they've made it richer Is very interesting also the fact that they have the relationships with developers that they do for the app store in General that now this is a brand that has proven to make money for people to spend time developing in there I think we're going to see some really interesting stuff out of the app store the message app store going forward That you know what let's try this out. Send me your your tinder stack pull and i'll look at it on my nexus 5x Oh wait Well, that's the interesting and that's because I don't disagree with anything you just said within that apple universe Apple's getting better at this sort of thing and the iMessage thing Is is great if it's a bunch of people on iphones I will not deny that but even on even in macOS sierra on the desktop It starts to fall apart a little at least now you can see the stickers But you can't respond with the stickers as soon as you're outside the apple universe It's it's worthless Uh, and I think that's the gating factor to this kind of thing and actually works against apple because the majority of people Are not on ios and therefore Dismiss this and even have a little bit of resentment against it Because it's something that only their friends who can afford iphones are on sure But they resented and dismissed instagram until it came to android right and if iMessage comes to android it could change that Is that going to happen? well, but that's see When we ask about like the philosophical apple's philosophical opinion about whether or not they want to expand these other platforms It's all about money and acquisition right What apple program did they make sure that they debuted on android in the same time that they did the iphone music? Because it mattered to them how many people subscribed to apple music right Although it was not really simultaneous And it was not an elegant roll out on android not an okay Then they made the decision to do it sure Right which for apple what had been anathema to how they had thought previous right? Is that they had they had not wanted to expand beyond ios yeah For anything which is why we we have this mental block all all this is to say that if they find That their app store Generates them a significant amount of money and they can say hey look We can just we can roll out an android application now all of a sudden this pool is so much larger That would be the reason in my mind that they would look to go beyond ios so if if the question is Does a robust app store now? Bring us closer or further away from messages breaking out beyond ios. I think it brings us closer Yeah, I I I would say that we're so far away that that amount of closeness doesn't matter It just it just I don't I don't see apple caring that much they they can make plenty of money And never have to expand to android Yeah but They I guess I would not have thought like this if it weren't for the fact that they did music that that that they like they did Understand that I wonder how much of that was beats saying hey guys we we've been living outside of of your campus and We really can't succeed if we leave out the dominant platform out there I feel I feel like that's part of this so that that's an interesting pressure To that is bearing from inside and maybe that's that's what we'll end up making you you write is that that will start to infect other teams Well because I mean listen they got the metrics they know how many people sub you know sign in through Apple devices and how many people sign in through android devices. I'd be curious to see what that breakdown is. Yeah Anyhow, let's talk about something less controversial Cuba announced that it plans to install wi-fi on the eight kilometer long malicon seafront It would become the largest hot spot on the island The government has installed dozens of hot spots in the past year charging two dollars an hour The average state's salary in cuba for those wondering is approximately 25 dollars a month Yes, I mean you can go a lot of ways with this story You can point out that this is not going to benefit the majority of people This is a play for the tourists that come to that area. It's a it's a touristy area And as as cuba is starting to warm its relationships with the united states It wants to take more money from people from the united states that might come visiting and that's all true It also is true that the government has been rolling out more hot spots in other areas that aren't as touristy and there is a very small Number of people who can't afford it who like it So you you could say this is the thin edge of a wedge that that maybe eventually brings more access to everyone Cuba's somewhere between russia and china and what they allow on the internet. I'm not sure how I'm not sure I'm a hundred percent clear. I'm not sure how clear people are on it. You can get facebook You can get twitter there. It's not like china where they've they've blocked those sites On the other hand, they do the government does block at the telecom level certain opposition party sites and things like that My recommendation to all cuban visitors use a vpn Reports abound that lenovo is blocking linux the story is about a day old but it's still kicking around out there So I wanted to take the opportunity to try to at least get some of the facts out there Because lenovo is not blocking linux. Uh, here's what happened a supposed lenovo product expert At least that's what their username said was at the root of the confusion when a user named baron hk Left a review online complaining about the inability to install linux on a lenovo yoga He's not the only one. This has been replicated people are saying. I can't install it Uh, the so-called expert wrote this system has a signature edition of windows 10 home installed It is locked per our agreement with microsoft and of course that made everybody say look a lenovo person is saying Microsoft and lenovo have colluded to stop linux from being installed on a machine Lenovo has since told tech republic it does not block operating systems on its devices Here's what's actually happening a vendor can choose as lenovo did to set up raid mode on solid state drives under windows 10 signature edition Intel has not submitted patches to linux to support this raid mode at the processor level And lenovo's installation doesn't allow you as a user to change from raid back to standard mode So matthew garret wrote a good post on this he suspects this might be to force intel's power management The reason lenovo wouldn't let you switch is to force intel's power management to be used instead of microsoft's power management Because microsoft's power management doesn't yet support the power management needed for recent intel hardware So we have a cascade of people not quite yet supporting a new thing That's causing it. It's up to you. You can blame lenovo for choosing not to allow non raid mode You can blame intel for not issuing patches for that raid mode Or you can blame microsoft for not supporting intel's new powers management or blame all three of them There's plenty of blame to go around But this is not a shadowy Ecore conspiracy to no to keep linux off the lenovo No, and as microsoft warms more and more towards linux It wouldn't make sense for microsoft to be blocking it from being installed It wouldn't make sense for lenovo to block it from being installed It's it is a bad situation though where people are not properly Issuing their patches and getting things up to speed. So there is a problem here. It's just not the one people thought yeah Recode reports that its sources say verizon is in advanced talks to acquire video startup vessel Vessel is run by former hulu ceo jason calar Vessel has been allegedly working on a new product described as Wait for it Snapchat like with image filters another feature Recodes peter kofka points out that verizon has listed video among the main reasons for acquiring AOL and allegedly yahu depending on possibly. Yeah, yeah So My wife who works at youtube obviously keeps up on vessel news and she saw this break and pointed it out to me And and at first I was like, oh, well that makes sense verizon has video Aspirations with their go 90 Based on the intel oncube technology that they bought that doesn't seem to be catching on So they're probably looking for a new route to go. They've got all this video from yahu all this video from aol Why not buy vessel and use that? Technology expertise and use that infrastructure But as soon as she pointed to the part about they're working on a snapchat like product My whole understanding of this just fell apart like I I have no idea Why verizon would be interested in that I don't have no idea why vessel would suddenly think they could compete with snapchat Although people have pivoted in weirder ways. So maybe it could I what do you think of this? Well, let's understand what vessel is for people not familiar with it vessels key Value proposition to consumers was do you like youtube channels? Well, guess what? All your favorite youtube people are now on this service called vessel You can pay a very reasonable monthly fee to subscribe to them and you can get their videos early Now this was thought to be initially a bit of a interesting play because artificial time constraints on internet videos had traditionally not held up but Jason Kalar is a very smart guy. He had just come out of hulu, which had been a big success work Could have been a big failure. He learned how to work with all these major networks Why can't he work with these smiling fresh-faced teens who make up youtube? uh and now It seems like well either they're going to sell or they're pivoting to something else My question is what is vessel if they don't have the talent? You know if if the point of verizon acquiring snapchat Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like so now we're just on to the drawing board If the point of horizon acquiring vessel is that now They're gonna really make that money worth it for for some of their big talent on on youtube And they're going to start offering like big boy cash to Well, here's no here's the point that makes sense vessel built this infrastructure the streaming product And all this technology they couldn't get the talent yahoo sitting there on talent aol sitting there on talent It's match made in heaven if you look at it that way That they start to plug that into exclusivity. Yeah Now well, you don't even necessarily have to have the paywall That's just a feature that the vessel tried to use to distinguish themselves. Maybe you do. Maybe you don't That is less important to me than hey We've got this great streaming technology and this interface that has been you know tested Let's start funneling back episodes of community and and katie kurrick specials and tech crunch video and huff poh video And and suddenly you've got a much more compelling offering there. And maybe there's a pay aspect to that Then what's this snapchat there? I have no idea. That's what I said. That's where I suddenly I'm like wait Okay, now I have no idea what they're doing Maybe that's vessels plan forward if they don't get acquired and if horizon acquires them that goes away Yeah, although that just might be the last sentence of every press release, right? You know, this is fields is offering a new cookie and now they're also creating snapchat. They're also possibly pivoting towards snapchat Yeah, maybe that's all it is Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com That's a look at the top stories Let's talk about professor nick bow shamp. He is assistant professor of political science at northeastern university He has a paper being published in the american journal of political science Describing how he used a machine learning algorithm on 100 million tweets to estimate political candidate polls now That's not the part that's exciting What's exciting is he was able to match state level polls and just and I maybe you can explain this better than I State level polls are few and far between because they're Costlier, but they also are often more accurate. Is that right? Well, yes and no so, uh When you are watching political coverage, you are essentially seeing two things and and they and we'll we'll broadly define them as A national tracking polls, right? And then what we understand or hear about in news media as battleground polls These are state polls that are in states that are in play Uh, but they Are we kind of colloquially call them battleground polls? Because those are the only states that do these on a frequent enough basis for us to keep any kind of rolling like Oh, okay Before hillary clinton said basket of deplorables. She was blank in pennsylvania Now she is why or before donald trump said this about you know, judge curio He was this in nevada with which has a heavy mexican population And now he is why because those are battleground polls where uh, they are they're doing them fairly frequently what? Uh tracking polls national tracking polls do Is although we do not decide the president based on a nationwide popular vote uh, they do Kind of give you that basic balance of Okay Well, maybe in in these states. This is generally where people are are are leaning so When you look at data like this what you are really saying is we might have more of a live pulse Uh on these states because all polls in general Daily tracking states Whatever Are all very expensive to do They each poll that you see cost a fair amount of money if there is a cheaper way To do it and now we start to look at polling as well Who can build the better scraper algorithm based on you know, whatever twitter data Uh, then you might have an interesting addition to the rich mosaic that we now look at as political data So what uh professor boschamp was able to find was that twitter-based measures that he created Tracked and to some degree predicted opinion polls and could be extended to unpoled states And potentially sub-state regions and sub-day timescales And they can also deduce topics and events that are associated with opinion shifts So like like uh, like justin was saying when a candidate says, you know, something Controversial you can see what effect it has by looking at this data Now it's easy to start to pick apart this when you don't know how it's done to say like Twitter isn't representative of the populace, which it it isn't Uh people and how do you tell when somebody's saying positive versus negative? And that's why he has a peer reviewed paper that goes into detail about this The the way oversimplified defense is He said previous studies have not Set the bar high enough He found four things that he made sure that he did and that he hopes people who attempt to validate his results and replicate them In the future do which is statistical testing that is valid high sample size Reduction of bias all the statistical methods you have to do to have a high confidence Clear benchmarks. So he's comparing his results to actual election or poll results Not just saying like hey, it looks like this is what people think. I guess that's pretty interesting Training of the machine learning must be applied And so that needs a lot of variables a lot of data polls earlier election results, etc And then something that's was a little difficult for me to wrap my head around Validation out of sample now. This is getting really into the statistical part of this. I actually called Dave Broadback He's the Dave the psychologist who writes into the show to make sure I had this right Validation out of sample means you remove some data From your sample at random Yeah, and then you look at then you make your model based on the on the sample that's left over And then you look to see if the sample that you removed the data that you removed still fits the model If it didn't you got a problem with your model He not only professor Beauchamp not only says you need to do validation out of sample But he says preferably forward in time. So what you do there is you've got this twitter timeline of stuff You take it out Take out one month from the end of the sample create your model See what it says then see if you put that forward in time sample back in whether the model still works They said it did in this one. Yeah, I mean listen We are going to see as people start to pour through this Whether or not it is You know, it stands up to scrutiny I don't think there's anything that I saw that necessarily showed a gigantic red flag But let's also understand Where this is helpful and where it's not it is certainly a step forward if it is able to predict state polling uh for You know battleground states, you know to to see and especially Like that live finger on the pulse is very interesting, you know, and you can see well, it was exactly at a five o'clock on uh, September 11th on uh, you know two weeks ago when hillary clinton was was found Falling down on the way to her her car that people started to feel shaky about her, right? Or you could say Exactly at at the point that you know the donald trump made his statement about The the birther thing that that became an issue again that that first broke on cnn at this time You can track it on google trends You can you can put that graph on top of this graph and you can understand a lot of snap judgments Here's what you can't do It does not have that full form Robustness that an actual call poll does so you are not just asking who are you voting for and then hanging up You are saying who's the strongest leader if if this person did this thing. How would you react? How would you rank the the the the various people? Can we ask you, uh, are you for Uh, uh, is gary johnson on your radars jill stein on your radar And that's where you get a lot of the rich political science data of and also the demographic of well You know donald trump needs to win a blue collar voters in Ohio north carolina michigan, right? hillary clinton needs to win young african-american women in the following Cities and these are the issues that they specifically care about So you're going to see messages targeted specifically to them. You will not necessarily get that here But there's certainly something to be said for having that That lightning fast understanding of well, this is where things go up and down Yeah, and and the the main intent in the paper was to see if you could model the actual polls And bow shamp says I think I was able I didn't just say I think he says I was able to do that Now yes, justin's absolutely right more people need to replicate this and say yeah I'm also able to do that using his model to validate it But let's say that happens then you can start to say, okay What else can we do with this algorithm? Can we start to deduce out these other Things that a a call poll can do and and what are the limits? What are the things that you can't figure out there? They were able in this particular study to bolster previous studies which showed that left leaning regions tend to cite external sources And discuss regional issues while right leaning regions show a higher degree of retweeting People's statements and discussing national issues and that that is the beginning That's the glimmer of the kind of thing that justin's talking about which is like, okay I'm in this region I need to make sure to do a lot of citations because that's what people like to see versus oh, I'm over here So I want to retweet respected individuals because that's the kind of you know I want to quote respected individuals because that's the kind of thing that plays well here It's it's a very blunt version of that but it's the beginnings I also I would I would be cautious with stuff like that because that also makes a lot of assumptions in terms of how many Outlets there are that people on either side of the aisle deem to be respectable or thought to be respectable Yeah, it's not fine-tuned enough, right? It's it's really blunt. Yeah Here's what is important is that what does not happen Because I made you know sure to use the term battleground polls is uh, you know with state polling Is you do not get a lot of state polling in states that are not in play You do not poll new york a lot. You do not poll california a lot. You don't poll texas a lot You know that those are going to go for either the republicans or the democrats because they've always done it And that's not going to be really in question and for our electoral college map. They're not going to be a surprise However, there is tremendous data to be had there and and political scientists crave it Because and polling people crave it because what it does show is enthusiasm That if you are polling soft in in states that you are definitely going to win it could be reflective of national enthusiasm Soften it right or if it is certain demographics that you are doing poorly in in states that you know You are going to win that that might be reflective of something going forward So the idea of being able to not only have real This idea in states that we do not poll a lot to me is more exciting Than what we are seeing now in battleground polls because I don't think that this supplants anything That we are doing now nor is it making the case that it should no absolutely not. Yeah But I do think that in places where you know a lot of people just don't want to New york the la times spends a lot of money doing a like every three day rolling tracking poll nationally And not one in california Why because california is effectively useless and a national poll is something interesting that they can report, right? and I look forward to the unasked question Aspect if this were to be able to to provide good results Which is you start to see things come out of the data the machine intelligence starts to pull things out That we never thought to ask that it that gives some insight Into things may maybe it's a third party candidate influence Maybe it's an issue that nobody else was talking about in the media But actually is is got a little bit of a groundswell of importance that that kind of unexpected stuff Is the things I usually see in data when I look at hard data when I look at traffic data for a website When I when I look at survey responding raw survey responses That's the kind of stuff that's fun because you're like, oh i'm seeing something I would have never thought to ask about yeah You know, it's uh, it's it's it's very very very very interesting going forward and you know I think we've seen obviously a very interesting campaign season uh and One that has had its own share of kind of polling uh some some polling faux pas, you know, you you saw specifically in the Democratic primary michigan polling Uh with hillary clinton and bernie sanders was historically off It was projecting a hillary clinton win by eight points and she lost by 10 points like that That's where more of these papers get really interesting is if one of these models can say well this model had it right Exactly. So that's what I would like. I would have loved to see and then I guess theoretically all this is frozen in the In the amber of uh, you know a server somewhere in twitter, right? Uh that you know, you could go back and say well, hey look Let's run this model against all that data. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely and see You know whether or not the the the twitter model was saying no. Yeah, we uh We definitely thought that this was going to be a a much tighter if not, you know, different race So yeah more work to be done but this is the kind of work and And headlines and reporting often just just make it so you just don't want to listen to anything sometimes But this is the kind of thing where it's like it would be easy to over promise like twitter can predict elections That's not true. It would be easy to under promise and say. Yeah, you can make stats say anything Also, not exactly true. This is good work That is the first step towards maybe being able to come up with some actual reliable information From this kind of data mining which shocker can actually happen And and you know, there is not I mean, I know we we wind up getting, you know Super nerdy and talking about various different things that we follow You know for for election prediction and stuff like that, but there there are interesting online Solutions to the stuff like this. Yeah, I I actually did not go off on my favorite one the iol electronic markets today But go check that one out. Uh, I have a feeling it's going to be wrong this year I don't know why I think that uh, well the reason I think that is participation and it seems to be down But the iol electronic markets going back to 2000 has predicted the vote share and the winner of the us presidential election within a percentage point every time including 2000 When its market said we think algor will win the vote share, but we think george busch will win the election Well, that was that would that was the most impressive one to me Um, we'll see if it keeps its track record this year Let's get to our message of the day david b in pleasant Kyukos says here's my theory on all that google advertising that's been happening lately I'm predicting that when the pixel phones are revealed in october they will come with a new pixel os Google's very own branch of android it will be made specifically for the new pixel phones Will contain some software features exclusive to the line google will still continue to update and produce android But its market will specifically be non google made hardware by tying the os to the hardware like apple google will be able to control the entire experience and ensure that each year when the new version of pixel os comes out It will roll out to the previous pixel phones I use both ios and android and as much as I love android the upgrade process has gotten nuts by creating their own Ecosystem and controlling it completely. They may have a chance of competing with ios for market share Well, they actually pretty much android pretty much crushes But I think what he means is google's own hardware with clean google os in so And he uses a nexus So he's experiencing the best version of operating system upgrades that you can get from google right now and he's still frustrated with it So I I think this is unlikely But it's an intriguing thought Because my mind immediately went to do they then loosen the restrictions on android to get around the antitrust Accusations that they're facing in places like russia and europe so This is almost as much of a pr decision as it is a technical one right me. Yeah, right You would essentially be cutting loose the name android from what you want to be associated with your hardware Because previously like you mentioned with the nexus phones the pitch of the nexus phones was This is the one that we're going to pay attention to from a software perspective. This one gets a clean install We're not going to do the the crazy bloatware that you would normally get on all these other subsidized versions of of the android uh os And you know to do to take that to the next level with the pixel where they're going to be creating their own hardware as well You know, we'll we'll see you know I don't know. I think for that to happen and we might be there at this perfect storm where google would want to Totally reclaim and reboot what it means to own a google phone Right And they would want It seems like they are definitely heading in the position of they want to be far more involved In their own hardware than they have ever been Before so we'll see and they wouldn't even have to fork the os to do it It could be similar to what windows does where you have the windows that goes on hp lenovo del etc You have the windows 10 signature edition which has to meet certain criteria with microsoft to carry that name and then you have the surface Which is the one made by microsoft Uh and and certainly that's what pixel is shaping up to be whether there's a Version or branding of the operating system on that Uh, that's an interesting thought. Thank you. It would specifically be marketing it as better than android Right pixel would be better than android because it's not just here's android the best version the newest version of it It's not android. Yeah, which makes me think they won't do that. Um, but they're very tied to that android branding Yeah, I I don't know if if although, you know, who knows listen, man. It's it's a new day dawning It is it is and what do you have going on in that new day? Justin robberies we wrap up the show Well, you know, uh, if if you, uh, uh, enjoyed some of that nerdy politics talk, uh, then you can get much more of it Politics politics politics dot com. That is my uh show about macrame. Just kidding politics, uh You we do it, uh, three days a week now. We spun it up into a, uh, a three day a week enterprise leading up To the election. So uh, go ahead and check it out monday wednesday and friday We record live right here on diamond club dot tv at 10 a.m. Pacific one p.m Eastern time and man. 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I don't know. It's like of all the packaged soups um titles PD tns pole dance tech tech news show that's But wait, there's more yahu gets their breaches in a bunch. That's pretty good Uh, yes, split your lightings. You take your chances. Well, that's what the pre show. Unfortunately, but um Yahu catches up with 2014. Oh, you didn't like kuba librae. Wifi. I like that kuba librae. I guess Sure Um, I'm trying to look what's something that it applies to or stripping the poll data What else is in here to swipe this swipe that abandoned all hope yahu enter here Take this hot spot to kuba A literal sunroof Pirate versus merlion. Oh wait, that was a pre show too No, wait. Well, that wasn't it The merlion singapore was when we were talking about the the newtona me uh stuff Tender push up in with everything I'll tell you what unless uh, one of y'all has a a favorite. I don't know when I would go with Which one are you leaning towards justin? Do you have any thoughts? Um I kind of like kuba librae kuba librae All right, I liked yahu gets their breeches in a bunch Oh, okay I always get weird about the the the the the the the sentence long titles, but uh, I definitely like that one It fits it fits my rule of thumb is if I can look at it in the wordpress title field Without losing anything. I'll go with it and this one fits I'm glad that we got out of that yahu thing because I I I didn't know that we were on opposite Sides of it. I mean, we were really on opposite side. Well, no, yeah, but A recorded conversation. No, but I that was a good conversation though because you you represented A lot of very reasonable people Uh, and some of them in the chat room before we started talking about that that I just you know for whatever reason I just maybe I'm just tired But I'm just like, no the issue is Your job You are like the one thing I learned from being a movie critic for a year Was it changed the way I looked at movies? Sure. Yeah, I was I I found myself Being frustrated with movies that didn't do things new right because you're seeing so many movies, right? So many you saw so many of them And you found yourself over rewarding movies that might not be great But definitely took that weird left turn where I was expecting for them to take a right turn, right? And I think similarly your job is to watch the churn of tech news Uh over and over and over again every single day and one of the things that happens and has happened for the best 10 years Is everybody line up pull down your trousers and poop on yahoo, right for whatever yahoo Is doing and if you do something and and I and could it's a combination factor, right? It's like mixing your drugs with your alcohol because there's also the There was a hack and so I'm gonna overreact on how serious it was no matter how serious it is Exactly and that now let's just look at Oh my god now it's it's mass hysteria. Every nothing is safe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? um And and by the way, that's it now we can get into politics. That's another thing that only got More ridiculous when it got politicized with like the russian hackers. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah around around the the democratic national convention Where it was like, all right, not only do we not know anything about hacking, but now let's let's make it Here's one way that we can clear everything up. Let's make it politicized. Yeah, got it. Well, and then there's another one Which is uh, as soon as you say state actor china russia Uh, and mostly that's because they are perceived as enemies Or they are the ip addresses that every hacker uses no matter where they're from the world. Yeah Uh, well, it's game from chicago's as jerry acedec focuses focuses on facts and numbers while you focus on feelings and passion Now although in generally I think that I am probably more I am probably more predisposed to follow the emotional and passionate narrative I think in this particular case the issue was more Like I was thinking of it from from the reporter perspective of like Well, yahoo's got questions to answer, you know, and doesn't mean that they're guilty It just means that they got to answer There is some what did you know and when did you know it because if they knew it A year ago, but they didn't want it to be a thing while they were negotiating this sale, which is clear motive Uh, then now you are in a situation where yahoo put their sale prioritized over Their users and that's something that users Should know they have a right to know so well I honestly think it's more shareholders than just users of not leaving the users out, but In the factual side of this argument that that's that and that's what I made clear in the show is Justin's asking for a very reasonable thing given given this. I also think there is also an emotional element to it as well And I'm not even saying that you were the no no no there there's an emotional element, which is poop on you yahoo You know that yahoo's sucks. It's old tech and now we have you know, uh, a soylent fed future Speaking of yahoo Title yahoo gets breaches in bunch or kuba libre because they're both. Oh, no yahoo gets their breaches in a bunch. Yeah, sorry But it wasn't made that clear I need to take a phone call Okay, no worries. Um No roger tomorrow folks. It'll be a I will help fill it out tomorrow morning. Okay. I'll have to be on the road. Yeah, uh, yeah roger's uh off looking for a place to live Yes, help me find a cave at an affordable price and by cave. It's just a colloquialism for home Yeah, it's not an actual case No Unless it's actually decked out like they have in the opal mines out in western australia where they have wall the wall carpet electricity and refrigerators and hdv sounds good I don't know if we have those Too much dirt All right. No go take your call. All right. Thanks, man. See you guys. Yeah But yeah, I go just going back to the general like having two sides like two real sides Like not just like well, let me take the opposite side like having two two real real sides on that was good. I like that Yeah, well, I mean I i'm i'm glad I thought it was a good episode, man. Yeah, I thought so too. I thought it was really good, man. We're good Let's celebrate by oh Oh, I pulled a muscle Pat was on with the back They haven't uh By the way, I'm definitely coming in next week. Oh good We should uh, I'm almost uh done exporting here. We should we should chat about that if you if you've got a few minutes. I'm in Tuesday morning and Then I am back out thursday and I'm going to the Auntie Donna show on wednesday night. Oh, okay. What time do you get in on tuesday? Let's take a look Let's go to the polls Let's go timpani On and on into united. Hey by the way, uh, uh, uh, you know, listen news. You can use the united club now has charcuterie really You know, I used uh, because I have that united credit card. I used my pass in tokyo at narita They did not that club. They did not have charcuterie there. They did not but they have the beer machine They do um, what was funny was we were able on our trip On our trip to korea We used points and got business class and were allowed into the ana lounge or the united lounge because it's all star alliance Yeah, the ana lounge Kind of put the united lounge into shame. Oh, yeah No, no, no, they had the beer machines, but they also had a noodle person Yeah, no, no, no, uh in general american Not american airlines the airline but um airlines that emanate from america or based in america Do not take lounges As seriously as other that it years because our friend flew back through istanbul and sent us pictures from the turkish airlines lounge there Which is ridiculous. Yeah. No, no, no in in general they they don't and I don't know whether or not I think it's partly that In america flying is such a commodity That it's just they don't like united's actually stepped up their clubs Recently, well, they've got the first class lounges that are separate, right? Is that part of it? No, no, no just in general like okay go walk in i mean in Nerita by the way, welcome to our new segment called relatable topics But the nerita one They've got another like city in the clouds. That's their first class one that I was I did not get into But uh in in general The united clubs have all kind of been stepped up a little bit in that they never they always used to have just like uh a continental breakfast like muffins and stuff like that and maybe a little bit of fruit here and again But not a big thing now. They all got soups. They all they all got charcuterie Uh and some of them even are doing the very international thing of just leaving out a bunch of bottles of liquor Uh and and just and beer taps instead of having a bartender where you just go ahead and yeah You live your life Right treat yourself read yourself Uh, yeah, that that was what it was in in the united lounge at nerita um We can't remember I can't remember the lounge situation in inch on though. So it must not have been that great. I remember the whore lady at the lax united club Was counting She had to like measure out with a little ruler The height of all the liquor and all the bottles In the united club. They were that controlling of yeah That's a waste of time and money like yeah, you are that is the dumbest Bean countering nonsense ever to be like worried About exactly how much you're pouring out for the people that are paying extra to sit in the lounge I mean, I don't really get into the lounges in the united states anymore because I fly southwest Yeah, I'm trying to think if I've ever even been in that lax lounge, but um But the the nerita lounges it was very clear that yeah The united lounge was nicer than the ones that I have been in in the united states By having like a little more food and maybe a little more space But that a and a lounge man I was Yeah, they if you're in sfo You can go to the international terminal united club There are three united clubs at sfo There's one in the new area of terminal three There's one in the old area of terminal three and then there's one in the international terminal People if you don't realize this justin used to travel for a living when he worked for the go games Like this is this is someone that was in the air like two or three times a week So I actually I mean I got that that club credit card uh Like out of It it made my life infinitely better Like immediately to be able to go to these clubs. Anyway, uh The um The one in the international terminal is also a de facto a and a lounge right And they have extra food but They have an a and a representative who will stop you from getting the extra food If you don't have an a and a you're kidding me I am not at all kidding If you are if you have a united club membership and you go to the international terminal There is an a and a food guard in the lounge It is that that has to be a united thing where united said Okay. Yeah a and a you need to have this food, but we're not going to pay for it So a and a said well fine, then we're not going to let any united club people eat it Who knows? Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Uh, uh, it it it's always seemed a bit silly to me Uh, all right, so I am in on tuesday at five Or sorry, uh seven o'clock In the moment. Oh, okay. Well, I'm doing the the analysts call the hangout at eight a.m So I might have a chance to even just get to your place because you're not far from lax I'm like 15 minutes from lax. Yeah, so I might be able to just roll into your house and we'll Just want to join you want to join the analyst call been on the analyst call and then uh, yeah, yeah I think that yeah, if you want to do that, that'd be awesome because bang out fsl, right? Yeah, we I have us doing it at three o'clock, but we could do it after the analyst call if you do that Yeah, unless there's any reason That I move it, but I don't think I will because I I also got to get in I got to get into la. I just can't be flying at nine 15 when I do tms on tuesdays okay, so Right, so you could we could do analyst call till nine. You could do your tms thing from nine 15 to 11 Yeah, how long does it take you to do your tms anywhere between 15 and 70 minutes? Uh, yeah, no, I think this yeah, then we could just like 9 30 ish do fsl would that work? Yeah, all right TV see gone jury. Do they have samsung phones to dump champagne on? I don't think people are joking about the physical constitution of samsung phones anymore Uh, well you can still dump on the galaxy s Seven I mean you should you should always have a bottle of champagne. Yeah Just in case just in case you need to pour it out For the note seven Let's pour a little out for the note so pour a little to a galaxy s7 All right, we are publishing the show right now. Thank you all for watching have a lovely day and Shoot some chrome into your mouth