 Rwy'n gobeitioillingr o amgueddwch o fynd i ddweudio, Hyda, ond oedd y bydd awr marrynmys. Felly, y bydd gwaith efo'i busnes yn dweudio i dyn ni, y cyntaf o'r daith F7161, yn y nifro ffion Maenfin MacLennan, ond bydd yn 2 maes Febfyrdd 2023. Y bwysig yn dangos i ddweudio ddim yn ddechrau, bydd y ddaf yn dweud i ddwyng Mor i griffau gyrwllfa, a'u gетрwllfawr o Gwladau ymddynt yma i gyrwm i ddeithasried yn ddweud hynny, neu i gyrwm i ddeddo i ddweud ar eich dweud yma ar ôl." I want to thank the British Heart Foundation for their briefing. Were there a few key messages that they want to emphasise today? The first is asking us what to do, what we can do to do with Adding to the push of asking for the date, and the second is asking us to give a date for each of the various messages that we have received. We will also ask the British Heart Foundation to create a specific date do, a what we can do to promote fundraising for the lives saving research they are having. I'll touch on that later on and the second is that the British Heart Foundation I'm asking the public to learn CPR with its new online tool revived. Now, for context, there are around and around 3'200 out-of hospital cardiac rare in Scotland each year. The survival rate is only just as one in 10. Performing CPR and using a Vibliocard more bleach ond mae'r chwanes i gymryd yn mynd i rai cwysig wedi cael ei ddweud. Bydd yw chi nid i'r cwysig â'r cyflosbydd i'ch gwell i brosesig i ddynnu i cael ei cyflosbydd o'i'r ddiogel chyflosbydd yn yn tanpo teimlo i'r maen nhw, ym 14, 15, 16 a'r ysgwr yn datblygu i'r cyflosbydd yw CPR, a oedd eich wych yn bryd o gyr spicyydd Cerediac. A I yddo i'r gwrs ymwysig a chyflosbydd maen nhw'n cael eu ddaisu. Fodd y fyrdd ar gyfer fy gwrs diniwyr, ac mae'n ffordd awrach, ac mae'r gwrs yn ddod i 10 per cent. Yr private air is a free online training course whon you can learn CPR, in just 15 minutes using a phone and a cushion. The tool gives feedback and CPR technique and will teach you the signs of the cardiac arrest. When you should call 999 and give you a step by step guide on how to use a defibrillator... I know that many of us have probably been in a first aid course and learned that over a period of time as well, but this is really simple and can be done at maen nhw i'w ddod o'r oeddech chi yn meddwl 1200 y pwynt yn ei anghyglwch, a wnaeth i ni weithio i rydyn nhw i'w weld yn lleiwn i siwisau cyrcratedd. Mae hyn o'r ddod o limwÕdd ddod o allan ddiogel ei hynny. Rydyn ni'n kebygau i wnaeth y prif accommodation yng Nghymru a chyrch gweld ddod i wneud ardweithio wahanol. Rydyn ni'n gallu ddod o mwy o ddod o mwy o fwy o ddod o'r iawn. Yn unrhyw nesaf, 12,000 bydd yn oes gynonddigau llefwyr hynny, 750 bydd yn oes gynonddigau llefwyr hynny, gan y GPU, a 170 bydd o thymu eu gwyloeddion yw'r amser yn gyveg ynghyrchu'r drwy'i gyr inanethol? Yn 27% dd ganolwyddoedd, yn Ystlen i'r bobl, yn bobl ynghyrch, i 16% dd ganolwyddoedd. Lowry rhag minddau yw'r gwleithf funds cydfaloedd pethau cydloedd yn Ysgolten. BHF Scotland is currently funding research worth over £53 million across Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee, Stirling and St Andrews. That funding contributes an estimated £80.6 million in GVA to the Scottish economy and supports almost 1,900 jobs. Just last year I had the pleasure of visiting the Edinburgh research centre at the ERI, along with a few of the MSP colleagues. It was an incredible place to visit if you ever get a chance. Speak to BHF Scotland and I'm sure it will take you to the nearest centre. BHF Scotland is also working as part of the NCD Alliance to improve Scotland's health. In 2021, nearly 53,000 deaths in Scotland were caused by non-communicable diseases—NCDs—amounting to 83 per cent of all deaths. Estimates by the British Heart Foundation suggest that one in five of those deaths are directly related to alcohol, tobacco, overweight and obesity, and I know that the Scottish Government is working on all those issues at the moment. This morning, along with Gillian Mackay and Dr Sundash Gohani, I met the NCD Alliance Scotland. Along with three other colleagues, we were working monthly to discuss policy issues over a period of time. NCD Scotland is a coalition of 19 health organisations and charities campaigning for an action to reduce the ill health and death driven by health harming products such as alcohol, tobacco and unhealthy food and drinks. Ill health and disability caused by tobacco, alcohol and overweight and obesity is estimated to cost the Scottish economy between £5.6 billion and £9.3 billion each year. NCDs are estimated to cost NHS £1.6 billion every year. The disease burden for NCDs is set to increase 21.3 per cent by 2043. I can also thank the Chest Heart and Stroke Association for their briefing and they raise important issues. Chest heart and stroke Scotland is Scotland's largest charity supporting people living with chest heart and stroke conditions. Last year, they supported 13,000 people with conditions through their advice line, community support services and stroke nurses. They also have a hospital to home service there to support people living with heart conditions from the moment they leave the hospital. Again, I know that that is something that the Cabinet Secretary has raised on a more broader basis in terms of that. I just want to commend the work of Chest Heart and Stroke Scotland for its work. Can we have Mr Doris'e's mic? I would like to commend Chest Heart and Stroke Scotland for the work that they do, the community sports outreach work. They do that in my constituency, with walking football for a lot of people who are stroke survivors and have heart conditions. I have seen the transformative nature of it in the communities that I serve. I have to say to Mr Eustaf that it is present that both my knees are now gashed because of it, so that we may actually put a waiting list up elsewhere within the system. I was going to touch on that and one of the key things that they mentioned as well is that they are in about the facility 110 peer support groups, which are obviously involved and give emotional support connections and advice to more than 2,800 people, but they also talk about the groups that you mentioned there as well. They play a big part in the community. Coming back to the hospital and home service, I said that it is there to support people as soon as they leave hospital. That is incredibly important and that is the support that is there. They estimate that the hospital and home service could support an estimated to 38,000 people each year with Chest Heart and Stroke conditions if available on every health board. I mentioned about the facility and the peer support groups that are there in that regard. I also want to thank the stroke association for their briefing and risk factors for a stroke are similar to those with heart disease. I want to touch on atrial fibrillation that I talked about before and I am going to call it AF just for ease that I talked about earlier. AF is a heart condition that causes an irregular heartbeat and raises your risk of a serious stroke. Over 105,000 people in Scotland have been diagnosed with AF. It is estimated that there are around 35,000 people in Scotland who are living with undiagnosed AF. AF makes you five times more likely to have a stroke. If you are diagnosed with AF, you will have an individual stroke assessment to make sure that you get the right treatment and advice for yourself. Strokes due to AF tend to be more serious with more damage to the brain and worse long-term effects. If you have AF, you will have any treatment that you need to reduce your risk of a stroke. Estimated six strokes every day in Scotland are caused by AF. He is slowly and alone. Around 1,800 people are being diagnosed with AF. A recent poll guide out by the Stoke Association said that 60 per cent of people said that they had never checked themselves for AF. When testing themselves, 79 per cent said that they found their pulse straight away or within a few seconds. It is easy to do and everyone should be doing it. I want to close on a personal story. Two weeks past Monday, my mum had experienced numbness in her left arm in the hand over the weekend. She phoned her GP on the Monday and she was taken that day. The referdor to the stroke clinic on Wednesday they thought she had had many strokes. She was booked in for an operation to have a blockage on her neck the following Tuesday and the operation took place on Wednesday. She was back home on the Thursday. Diagnosed, referred, operation all within 10 days. We have a fantastic NHS that we should be proud of. Let's make sure that we talk about the fantastic work that goes on every single day. Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr MacLennan. We now move to the open debate. I'm going to call Jenny Minto to be followed by Craig Hoy around four minutes, Ms Minto. Thank you, Presiding Officer. I would like to congratulate my colleague and friend Paul MacLennan on securing this member's debate and associate myself with his praise for the British Heart Foundation and also NHS Heart Stroke Scotland. As Paul said, February is heart month. The heart is one of the most recognised symbols in the world. From Greek philosophers to iHeart, New York to video games, the heart represents our strongest emotions, both positive and negative, and needs. Love, fear, pain, health, lives. The heart is our body's power supply. Without it, nothing works. Electric pulses created by your heart supply energy to every organ in your body. If that power is switched off, if your heart stops, blood and oxygen no longer flow, you start to die. Everyone in this chamber, I am sure, will have experienced the loss of a family member or friend or colleague due to a cardiac arrest. Many of us too will know the relief of having a loved one survive. It is those experiences that draw us to try to make a difference to help more people survive. That is exactly what Mull and Iona community trusts have done by investing in defibrillators. They have secured funding, located defibrillators at strategic points on the islands and appointed volunteer guardians to check them monthly—37 of them. Research suggests that there should be one defibrillator per 1,000 people in rural areas. That would equate to three defibrillators on Mull, but Mull is five times bigger than Glasgow, where a defibrillator every 200 metres is suggested and has around 600,000 visitors a year. For out-of-hospital cardiac arrests and there are about 3,200 in Scotland every year, the survival rate is only 10 per cent. Starcly, every minute without CPR and defibrillation, reduces the chance of survival by 10 per cent. With statistics like those, you can understand why the Mull and Iona community has worked so hard to increase the number of defibs on their islands. To create such a network requires a lot of funding. People have raised money and businesses in Argyll and Bute have worked with community councils to enhance the network of defibrillators. For example, Scottish seafarms have installed accessible defibs at their facilities and when Crookins, Iconic Dam and Underground Power Station, played a starring role in the TV series Andor, Drax has provided funds to help to create a rural defib network. However, there is something very simple that could be done to boost the number of defibs across the country, ensuring that our rural areas and less affluent areas have access to them. That is simply removing VAT. I have twice written to the Chancellor of the Exchequer requesting that this modest proposal be considered. I very much appreciated the cross-party support in that request from a number of organisations including St John Ambulance and community councils across Scotland. I hope that Westminster takes note of the Irish Government's decision to remove the 23 per cent VAT levy from defibs on 1 January this year. The Irish Heart Foundation described that as a victory for common sense. I hope that the Chancellor can have a heart and do the same. I and others will not be giving up, it is just too important. However, in the meantime, as Paul has said, there are two things that BHF Scotland is asking us to do, ensuring that defibs in your area are all on the circuit, the national network of defibs, which has been created by BHF alongside the ambulance services for quick access to help save lives and, as Paul explained, to learn CPR with BHF's new free online tool, Reviver. This February, I urge everyone not just to think of hearts on Valentine's Day, but all month, in fact, all year. I found this haiku by American writer Eric Overby, which feels an appropriate way to conclude my contribution. My heart beats with you. Love runs red throughout my veins, making me alive. Thank you very much. Ms Mindo, just a gentle reminder to indeed repeat the comments from the Presiding Officer earlier about informality. We do need to use surname as well as first names in contributions. No, not at all. I think the minister may have led you astray in the previous debate, actually. Craig Hoy, to be followed by Karen Adam, around four minutes, Mr Hoy. Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I thank Paul McLennan for securing this debate and congratulating him on this debate, which is both timely and very important. The figures in the motion highlight the devastating effect that heart disease can have on communities right across Scotland. The numbers are stark and they demonstrate the huge challenge that we face. It is important that we take note of the work of the British Heart Foundation over the past 60 years. It is vitally important that we thank them for their significant contribution. The BHF has been instrumental in countless life-saving discoveries. Its research has contributed to the first UK heart transplant, the development of pacemakers, the use of clot-busting drugs to treat heart attacks, and the roll-out of genetic testing for inherited heart conditions. The BHF is the largest independent funder of research and heart and circulatory diseases in Scotland, and it is currently funding over £50 million of research in Scotland—research that is entirely funded by public donations. Last year I had the pleasure of visiting the team at the BHF shop in North Berwick in East Lothian. I met BHF Scotland's policy and public affairs manager Jonathan Rodden, and the North Berwick store's assistant manager, Patricia Prentiss. I had to rush off before buying something, so I pledged today that I will go back and make a purchase with Patricia and her team. However, there was a queue for the minister to chide me on that. There, I heard that volunteers are the bedrock of the work that the BHF undertakes and the vital success that it has had with the funds that it raises. It was also a reminder of the very positive experience of volunteering, as well as helping good causes like the BHF. Volunteering is a great opportunity to meet new people, to gain new skills, and to help the environment by giving unwanted items a new lease of life. I would encourage people right across East Lothian across the south of Scotland to take up the opportunities that are available with the BHF to volunteer. I also want to raise another important issue, that of sudden cardiac death. Sadly, our Parliament has first-hand and recent experience of this. Last year, David Hill, a friend and a colleague to many of us, sadly passed away whilst representing this Parliament last year in Dublin. He died playing rugby against the Doyle and the Senate. He died playing a sport that he loved. What is particularly devastating about this condition is the way that it hits families like David's out of the blue with no warning. 80 per cent of those who die present with no symptoms before they do. I would like to take this opportunity to mention David's family. Since his death, they have raised thousands of pounds to support the charity Cardiac Risk in Young's Work through a music event in Dumfries a Day for David. There will soon be an annual rugby match between Holyrood and the Doyle, where teams will compete for the David Hill memorial quake alongside an opportunity throughout the day to raise money for cry. We need to do more on this issue here in Scotland, and I would hope that the minister will consider perhaps looking at how we might explore an issue in relation to this. Every year, 600 young people are dying due to sudden cardiac death. That is 600 families that are left mourning the loss of a loved one. That is why I would like to invite the minister to agree today to establish a national strategy for the prevention of young, sudden cardiac death. If he is not able to do that today, would he be willing to meet with me and cry to hear more about the subject? Not only do those deaths devastate all those connected to those who die, but we lose the potential that that young person has and would like to bring in to the world and to our society. All the skills that they had are lost, and all the good things that they would have contributed are left undone. That is a problem that we face as a society and that is one that we can fix if we put our minds to it. Before concluding, I would like to thank Paul MacLennan once again for securing today's debate. Thank you, Presiding Officer. I too congratulate Paul MacLennan for bringing forward this incredibly important member of business debate. This is something that is incredibly close to my heart to excuse the pun, but the reason being is my mother, my ma, Violet. She was an incredible woman. She took no prisoners in life and she was upfront, honest and authentic. She was also very funny and had quite a dark sense of humour and her wit was as sharp as her mind and she could wipe the floor with anybody in a quiz. She was a very politically active and aware woman who was an activist for Scottish independence and feminism way back in the 1960s. She loved rock music. I came across old penpal letters of hers in which she was adamant in stating that the rolling stones were far superior to the Beatles, maybe a debate for another day, but most of all her love for Elvis was what shone through and it is what we had in common and it was a connection that we adored together. That connection was lost almost 23 years ago when she died suddenly of a heart attack aged only 49, alone and at home. A doctor discovered her while doing her rounds as she had called them and said that she did not quite feel right. If she had called an ambulance or the symptoms had been escalated to emergency, perhaps she would still be now, but I can only speculate. I'll be 48 this year, Presiding Officer, nearly the same age and I wonder how far we have came in preventing this kind of devastating loss. I certainly don't want my fate or that of any other woman to be as abrupt and as sudden as my mother's. Up until recently, heart disease was the biggest killer of women in Scotland, only now being overtaken by dementia and I'm still surprised to see how many people don't know this utterly shocking fact. Why do we still assume that heart disease and heart attacks are a man's problem? The British Heart Foundation published a report called Bias and Biology, a very welcome move to understand the underlying issues that may answer that question. The report had five calls on it and I am delighted that the Scottish Government committed to include heart health as a priority in the women's health plan, launched in 2021, along with the five asks that were in the British Heart Foundation's report. Those are, 1. Improved awareness among the public and healthcare professionals of heart disease in women, 2. Improved data collection and linkage for heart disease, 3. A review of sign guidelines on heart disease to identify and address any relevant gaps relating to sex-specific issues, 4. Modernisation of cardiac rehabilitation to ensure that everyone can access personalised, responsive and flexible services suited to their needs, and 5. The appointment of a national women's heart champion to implement these changes. Those five calls fully actioned will save lives. It will ensure a future in which we no longer have to see families like mine deal with a devastating loss of somebody so young. Women must have their health taken seriously and that includes by themselves. Many of what we will be discussing here is preventable and that is the starkest wake-up call of all. I travelled in 2013 to Memphis to Elvis's Graceland and wearing my mother's ring. I squeezed my hand through some wooden bars to touch Elvis's furry chair in his jungle room. It was a sentimental moment to symbolise a connection that was not here anymore, a moment that I wished my mum could have shared with me. The reason why I personalised this speech is because I wanted it to highlight the human cost during this heart month and ask women to take their heart health seriously and put themselves as a priority. Women are talking to you, our hearts are often full of love and service for others, but it is also our vital organ. Please take care of it and demand that your health provider does too. I congratulate my colleague Paul McCleannan on securing this important debate. February is heart month and I thank the British Heart Foundation Scotland for the vital work that it does and my Cunningham North constituency and across Scotland investing over £50 million in over 100 Scottish research projects. I have often visited and purchased at its large shop. I hope that all members will gather at the steps of the Garn Lobby tomorrow after First Minister's questions for a photo call in recognition of heart month. Coronary pulmonary resuscitation, CPR, is essential to save lives and with revive R, a 15-minute online BHF training course, each of us can learn to save a life. In 2021, there were 7,048 deaths in Scotland where coronary heart disease, the most common type of heart illness, was an underlying cause. To be welcomed is a 19% reduction in CHD immortality over the last decade. However, further progress has slowed in recent years, mainly due to our ageing population. Demographic change is also why, by 2043, the burden of cardiovascular disease is projected to rise by 34% compared to 2019, more than for any other category of illness, according to a Public Health Scotland study published in November. I am therefore glad that the Scottish Government's heart disease action plan 2021, described as laudable by Dr David Murder, consultant cardiologist at Queen Elizabeth University Hospital in Glasgow, included minimising preventable heart disease by improving the detection, diagnosis and management of risk factor conditions as a top priority. Sadly, Scotland has a relatively high prevalence of key heart disease risk factors, such as smoking and poor diet. Heart disease in the most deprived quintile is two-thirds higher than the least deprived one. British Heart Foundation findings show that North Ayrshire has the fourth highest death rate in Scotland. Indeed, around 2,000 people die of smoking-related heart disease in Scotland each year, around one in seven of all circulatory disease-related deaths. The chemicals and cigarettes make the walls of human artery sticky, causing fatty material to stick to them, clogging and reducing blood flow, increasing the risk of heart attack. European Society of Cardiology research shows that e-cigarettes raise blood pressure and heart rate change the artery walls so that they become stiffer, less elastic and inhibit the function of blood vessels by damaging their lining. I am therefore grateful to my colleague Siobhan Brown for bringing in the problems posed by widespread youth vaping to the chamber yesterday. We can only reduce deaths caused by heart disease if we continue working to reduce the risk factors. One challenge of preventing heart disease is engaging with hard-to-reach segments of the population, particularly poorer households who are at a high risk of preventable ill health. Many people in Scotland already live with at least one risk factor, often without being aware of it. British Heart Foundation Scotland has worked hard for decades to change that, working to save lives across Scotland from their dogged campaign on organ donation over 20 years to pursuing equal treatment for women with heart disease to encouraging people to learn CPR, all of which I have been involved in and, indeed, raised in the chamber over the years. Community defibrillator availability is important. As Paul MacLennan and Jenny Minto have said, every minute lost awaiting CPR reduces survivability, following a cardiac arrest by 10 per cent, and defibs double the chances of survival. In August last year, a man suffered a heart attack while waiting for a train at Dorae station in my constituency. Fortunately, the train driver witnessed this, informed the passengers, and a doctor stepped off the train and performed CPR while two other passengers ran to Dorae cross and back to fetch a defibrillator before the ambulance arrived shortly after. The patient fully recovered thanks to the quick reaction of everyone involved in helping and the availability of a defibrillator. I am pleased that one has now been installed at Dorae station, but, of course, more people need to learn how to use them. If clear that while significant progress on reducing deaths caused by heart disease in recent years has been made, Scotland faces challenges due to a combination of an aging population and a relatively high prevalence of risk factors for heart disease, especially in areas within the most deprived quintile. While prevention already plays an important part in the Scottish Government's heart disease action plan, progress in people training, CPR and installation of more defibrillators remains vital. I once again thank British Heart Foundation Scotland for their invaluable work at Paul MacLennan for bringing the issue of heart disease to the chamber. Thank you very much. Is it good for me now to respond to the debate, cabinet secretary, around seven minutes please? Thank you very much, Deputy Presiding Officer. Can I begin what others have as well by congratulating my colleague and friend Paul MacLennan for bringing this very important debate, vital debate, to the parliamentary chamber? I also thank British Heart Foundation for the fantastic work that they do in Scotland. We know, as every member has already mentioned in their contributions, that, unfortunately, we know that heart disease remains a significant cause of ill health and, indeed, unfortunately, death in Scotland. Let me echo other members as well and congratulate the British Heart Foundation for their really phenomenal work that they carry out to tackle cardiovascular diseases that others have mentioned across the chamber. They are the largest public funder of cardiovascular research in Scotland, funding more than £53 million of research right across 10 Scottish universities. That is almost 13 per cent of British Heart Foundation's current research portfolio that is spent here in Scotland. I think that that reflects that they have won their commitment to Scotland and to working with their partners in Scotland to address the issues around cardiovascular disease, but it also reflects, I hope, the quality of cardiovascular research that has taken place right across our country. That is something that we should all be very proud of and a note of recognition is due to the researchers whose hard work is at the very heart of this success. British Heart Foundation's mission does not stop at funding research. They also have a number of priorities that have been mentioned by everybody here in their contributions, tackle the heart disease risk factors, ensure timely and equitable care, and improve the collection and use of data. I should say that those priorities outlined in the motion that Paul McLean has brought to the chamber are entirely aligned with the priorities in the Scottish Government's heart disease action plan. I want to touch on some of the points that have been made in the contributions today. Paul McLean has started by urging us all to familiarise ourselves with the CPR online tool reviver that the BHF has, and others have mentioned that it is important not just to us to know about CPR and how to perform CPR correctly, but how to use a defib as well. Kenny Gibson made that point a moment ago. It is a good reminder to all of us, even those who have done first aid in the past, to make sure that we are refreshed on CPR techniques, because it could very literally save lives, of course, Emma Harper. Just occurred to me that, as a member of the Health and Sport Committee, we did the reviver training just in the Health and Sport Committee one morning. Would the cabinet secretary think that maybe that is something that we could look at engaging or rolling out to other MSPs on the Parliament campus? That would be a decision for parliamentary authorities to take, but it is an excellent idea. I will take that away from a Government perspective, because it would certainly be good for me and other ministers to do. It reminds me of a time in my life when I witnessed somebody having a cardiac arrest that was at a gathering, a reception. I was talking to the individual, in fact, and then they fell on their back and had a cardiac arrest, and there were another maybe 20 people in that room. I am sorry to say that I did not know what to do. I was not sure about the signs and what was taking place in front of me. Luckily, one of the waitresses was also a student nurse. She lept into action, and there was a defib where we were as well. By the time the paramedics came, a very quick response time indeed, luckily the individual is alive and with us today, I am pleased to say. However, the paramedics made it very clear that the story could have been very different if that student nurse had not been there in the room. I take that opportunity to thank every single one of our hard-working health and social care staff for the excellent work that they do. However, in a room of 20 of us, none of us lept into action because we were not sure of what to do. That, for me, was the moment that I thought that I really needed to know how to do CPR and some basic first aid went in a course shortly thereafter. The other point that I wanted to touch upon, which has not been mentioned in the debate, has been mentioned perhaps indirectly around the inequalities that exist. One of those inequalities is racialised inequalities that exist, particularly around COPD and heart disease, and it is important that we do not lose sight of those racialised and health inequalities that we know exist. My former member of the Scottish Parliament, the late Bashir Ahmad, unfortunately passed away from a heart attack at the age of 68. We know that cardiovascular disease and COPD can affect particular ethnic minority communities more disproportionately than it does to the white Scottish population. It is so important that we look at inequalities and the various factors of inequality—social, economic, racial inequalities and the intersectionality of those. I thought that excellent contributions were made by a number of members, Jenny Minto, making that a really important point about the campaign that she has led and other MSPs have joined in relation to removing VAT for defibrillators. I am happy to take that up with my UK counterpart today, but I will speak again to my UK counterpart in health and see what we can do and add our weight to what is a very sensible campaign. I will certainly explore what more we can do in the Scottish Government to increase the number of defibs right across the country, in communities up and down Scotland, can only be to the benefit of everybody. I am so really grateful for Jenny Minto for raising that point. On Craig Hoy's very good contribution, first of all we will hold him to that promise. He must not be broken. He must purchase an item from the British Heart Foundation store in North Berwick. I am sure that he will keep that promise. More seriously, though, the point that he makes about sudden cardiac death, I am more than happy to meet him. I am sure that we do that alongside the campaign group that he referenced. I was really grateful to him for mentioning David's story with somebody known to many of us in the Scottish Parliament. I met with David Hill's family a number of months ago at the Scottish Rugby reception. I am in awe of how they have turned over the tragic circumstance. Nobody would fault them at all for grieving that loss of David, and I am sure that they do every day. They have been campaigning for better awareness of sudden cardiac death, so I am really grateful to his family for doing that. I am more than happy to meet Craig Hoy and we will get that arranged. On Karen Adams' excellent contribution, first of all I would have loved to have met your mum. That sounds like incredible woman. The point that she has made and other members have also touched on in relation to women's health is so, so important. Heart disease is not just a man's problem, it is just a problem that affects men. That is why she is absolutely right. Of course, it is a central part of our women's health plan. A number of people are quite surprised once they read the detail of why we had it in the plan and understood the importance of heart disease and knowing the risk factors for women as well as men. I am really grateful to the Prime Minister for all the contributions. Today, we will continue to work with partners such as the British Heart Foundation, such as NHS and Heart and Stroke Scotland, and others. I commit and re-deadicate the Government to doing everything that we can to tackle heart disease across Scotland. Thank you very much. That concludes the debate, and I close this meeting of Parliament.