 Dear friends and colleagues and my dear students, good afternoon. Thank you for joining us and today we have a very special event. We are going to organize a workshop on new education policy 2020. A lot of debates are still going on, a lot of questions are still being raised, celebrations are happening, so many things are happening. But what is this the actual nature of new education policy? We really want to know. And for that we decided to approach a very eminent personality. Of course expert educationist, a noted microbiologist, Professor Amma Prakash Kirk, Vice Chancellor of the Institute of Engineering and Technology as a resource person. And we are really fortunate and we are really glad that finally Sir has agreed to to the invitation that has been extended to him and now he's with us. So Professor Amma Prakash Kirk is the Vice Chancellor of the Institute of Engineering and Technology, he is an ex-Professor and Founder at Microbiology CCS University, we're teaching and research experience of 42 years in microbiology and biotechnology. He is an ex-Professor and Founder at Microbiology CCS University, we're teaching and research experience of 42 years in microbiology and biotechnology. Sir has supervised 34 PhDs and more than 75 M fields and published more than 110 research papers. I'm personally and I'm personally indebted to Sir because when I was doing my PhD Sir was really instrumental in helping me out and all my struggles, all my academic fights and my research zeal Sir has witnessed it. Sir thank you for everything, I'm personally indebted to you and also as a as a academician, as a teacher of Tetsuo College. We welcome you today afternoon. Sir we are really expecting to learn a lot from you now over to you Sir. Thank you very much Andhruz and very good afternoon to Nagaland, very close to my heart. I like the environment there, I like the pupil there, I like the ecosystem of that area and I like everything. You pupil are great, great I mean that great treasure of India, great treasure of Bharat, great treasure of humanity, great treasure of nature and I salute you all the pupils from Nagaland and Andhruz Babar is one of my very good friends when I was in JNU Jaipur and he is really a nice man and a brilliant teacher. His style of teaching, communication, way of friendship, way of friendly behavior I have asked him several times that if you want to join in my university you are most welcome but every time he is so committed and devoted to Nagaland that he has refused and so okay I value his sentiments, I value his devotion and it's a wonderful thing and I also dream to come to your beautiful length and certainly when the coronavirus goes I will come. It is my promise and will stay for few days and will interact one to one with you people all, all the students, all teachers and all the society of persons. It is my dream to budget the northeast region and to stay there for a few days or maybe for few weeks. Anyway now the question is that NEP 2020 much has been talked about and you all are fully aware of many of the things but still the many of the things are not clear even to those who prepared the policy. Many of the things are not clear to those who are given the responsibility to implement it and it is very difficult. We have implemented, we have said that they okay now the new education policy has come in the effect but still I think that during the last one year the national education policy it was announced on 29th of July 2020 and when it was announced then it was said that we are making the preparation doing this this this but unfortunately due to the COVID-19 pandemic situation nothing has been done over the past one year. My dear friends I am very much disappointed and very sorry to say that at the government level it has nothing has been done. The government has been busy in dealing with the COVID-19 situation but the universities like Shobit Institute of Engineering and Technology and the some other universities who were actively involved in the discussion of the NEP 2020 because this NEP 2020 it was discussed many times in the Vice Chancellor's Conference and fortunately I was one of the one of those Vice Chancellor who actively participated in all the three Vice Chancellor's Conference and I gave my constructive decisions and many of the suggestions and many of my suggestions they were accepted by the NEP 2020 policy makers. So I will just give you the brief idea although you all know it very well I will give you the brief idea about that and then I will stick mainly on that what are the challenges. What challenges and opportunities we have basically to implement this NEP 2020. So for few minutes I will take some time and I will go very quickly about the some of this life just to review your memory I know that you all know it very well but just to review the memory of your NEP 2020 I would like to show some slides. Is it visible? My slide is visible and yes sir coming yeah it's visible now yes okay and my face is also visible right sir yes your face oh yeah it's coming it's coming because this is also very important okay because although this one to one interaction is more important but I don't like such type of the teaching where only the professor is teaching or professor is delivering the lecture and the students are watching I like that the students or the participants should ask the questions and there should be interactive mode there should be interactive academic fighting mode indeed I like that you give some questions to the educator or to the person who is delivering the lecture I don't say that I'm a teacher I'm your colleague just a senior colleague so just this is the national education policy 2020 or NEP 2020 whatever you want to say it and at present I am the vice chancellor here since last three years and about more than 46 years I am in education and I started the teaching in 1975 immediately after doing my postgraduate qualification and at present I am also the sectional president of the environmental science of the Indian Science Congress which is a greater responsibility on me as far as the education is concerned so with that that has also helped me for framing or for for coming into the discussion of the national education policy so I will just now start doing what is the vision the vision what the government says or what the what the national education policy framers they say that it is the India centric just just one word I'm saying that they say that this policy is India centric it means that until now whatever we were studying it was not India centric why we were tolerating this policy or why well we were tolerating this education for about 74 75 years 74 years after the independence this is a very serious thing now the one thing is that they they are also having this particular thing that if this education policy is implemented rightly then the India will become at never self-reliant you can say it so do we think or do you think that are we not at never these are the few questions what I am putting to the audience to think about overview of the policy the overview of the policy is that the childhood education they it is available for all children from three to six years by 2025 now it is a very serious thing we have said that there is a right to education when we have given this constitutional right to the students for the right to education then it means that we still we agree that the many of the children they are not having the education opportunities when we are saying that the childhood education from three to six by 2020 universal it will be available to all it means that yes it is not still available to all you people are from the Naga and I know that that it is the the people who are living in such remote areas in the rural areas or or in such type of the areas where they where even the developmental policies of the government of India they have not reached their children they are still a devoid and devoid of this this facility so the government is having the vision that by 2025 the second that every student in grade five and beyond will achieve foundation literacy literacy and numeracy these are the two very important part it means that the students or the child should know the letters should know the numbers should be able to read and write should be able to able to communicate in writing that is the that is the purpose of this education that is one when a student is having the grade five now the new education policy it says five plus three plus three plus four this is the formula what the what the policy has suggested five means that is up to grade five they will attain the literacy I will come later on that what during the next three years what what the government expect or what the NEP 2020 expect in next three years what the NEP 2020 expect and four years this is the higher education system integrated flexible school curriculum I I'm not going to read all these things so I'm just I will share this all these slides with Amrit Babar and so the Amrit Babar can share with you people also so I will just try to try to focus on the salient points so the overall overall view of the national education policy is that we should give a education to the students to the children up to the grade five that they should be able to read write and communicate in numbers and letters that is the one thing that is they they should be at least this much educated and they have avoided the examination system there will be no examination and the students should focus now if you compare this type of the system with the western countries then in western country you will find that all the schools they are of the same level I very much doubt that the implementation of this policy will be in the right manner now you will find that there is a lot of difference in lot of distance I will say it not different even the distance between the quality of the education at the primary level in a government school and a public school in a rural area and a urban area in a far off rural area and in a rural area and even in a tribal area and the rural area so the first and foremost thing is that can we establish the equal quality of primary schools throughout the country are we able to do it or will be able to do it or are we having the vision to do it or are we doing any efforts to do it if not then you may bring any of the national education policy it will not work the entire national education policy it does not speak that how they will bring the equal status of these schools equal quality of the education in all the schools even up to five grade grade five level I am talking about that this is the primary and the very foundation and if you go to the mental development status and all these things you will find that the maximum development of the child it takes place up to the age of five in now up to the age of five when we are giving the distinct differential education differential social status differential quality of the education differential difference in so many things then how we can predict that every student will get get that I am advocating since last several years that right to education okay but there should be a right to equal education right to equal quality of the education unless we are giving the equal quality of the education to the students at the five grade five level or at the grade eight level or at the grade eleventh level or at the graduate degree level or at the postgraduate the India cannot become self-reliant India cannot become at never six fifty seven percent of the population of India is living in the villages and they are contributing fifty percent to the entire employment and only they are contributing seventeen percent to the GDP of the country so how you can say that we are giving the equal facilities and equality our under Babar is here he will say that the article 21 of the constitution of India is say equality where is the equality do you think that equality in reality no so first we will have to change so many things so the gross enrollment ratio we want to increase by 2030 no hierarchy in the subjects we say that there will be no subject the art subject will not be that they are the inferior subject science subjects we will not say that they are superior and every subject will have the same type of the great same type of the credits as same type of the things okay I do agree that is a good thing that is a good thing and for the first time I think that the that the literary taste or the humanities they have also been given the credit as far as the policy is concerned the policy is good very good provided it is rightly implemented the basic foundation of this policy is light but tight the sum of the words they have been selected and they have been put in the policy but better we will be able to really achieve it whether we will be really able to implement it that is a multi-billion dollar question and that is that that is the only thing here which I want I want to say that the we should accept it this is a good good policy is good but the only thing is that it should be rightly implemented and are you seeing my slide yes sir yes sir your slide is visible okay fine yeah overview of the policy yeah this is the overview of the policy that this overview policy in nutshell I can say that they have implemented five plus three plus three plus four system up to five there is a policy that they the students or the child will learn the literacy and numeracy at three they will start learning the skill skill that is in the schools the skills will be taught the student will be trained to develop certain certain type of the skills and they have they have identified about 33 skills this is very less there should be more than 33 33 skill and if you will find that you will find in 33 skills the skills related to to agriculture are only five only five skills related to agriculture which is contributing the maximum to the GDP and which is providing the 50 percent of the jobs to the population it is injustice there should be more and more agriculture based I used to say that when I was studying in sixth seventh class in 1970s 64 65 then I used to read in the books that India is agriculture dominant country if you but now I read that agriculture has gone which has given the 30 percent of the total economy in the world if you go to the Vedic period of the India the when the India was called as sony kichadia golden bird during those days if you see you will find that India was contributing 30 percent to the world economy and now India is contributing only 3 percent why why we have lost because we have not focused enough on agriculture and agricultural products if you see the Vedic period you will find that what we were exporting we were exporting the agricultural product we were exporting tea we were exporting pepper we were exporting globe we were exporting all these spices and condiments is and all these fragrance aromatic plants and aroma and all these ayurveda ayurveda drugs and the urinary drugs all these things we were exporting and we were earning a lot of money we were the center of knowledge center of knowledge for this for this medical system the pupil in India they were living for 300 400 years we were having such type of the system that nalanda nalanda vishwad hale and all these these were the center of yoga these were the center of excellence learning we were the many of the pupil from the different countries they were coming to study in India and now we are going to US so this development mad race of the development it has left our traditional knowledge and traditional culture and the traditional agriculture and the traditional economy and the traditional business and the traditional system which has greatly harnessed so this national education policy the government claims that we have prepared it with the national pride it will depend that when the books will come of the national pride when the educational system when the when the schools they will be they will be they will be of that type and the most important when we will be able to educate the educators the teachers we will have to train them we will have to give them the education we will have to teach them we will have to give the skills to them now we have said that we have it started we will start the skill oriented courses there will be two biggest challenge one the development of the infrastructure second the well skilled educators teachers most unfortunate part is that during the last one year maybe due to the corona pandemic maybe due to any other reason we have not been able to focus on creating the infrastructure in the colleges or in the schools or in the universities or we have not been able to rightly educate and train the teachers who will teach I will say here the show with the Institute of Engineering and Technology because I was so actively involved in in in the discussions in the education policy that I had visualized that the government will implement it and we started working on it and we have now for example we have closed certain courses and we have identified only those courses where the university has excellent infrastructure where we have competitive globally competitive skilled teachers those subjects have been identified and some of the new teachers they have also been recruited to implement the national education policy and that is the beauty so those universities which have been able to able to do some right thing over the one year they will be able to flourish they will be able to compete or they will be able to implement and others will be eliminated and I know that the Andhra Babar is there and he is a brilliant person and he is a brilliant brilliant educator also I know I know it and he must and your colleagues must have done the lot of lot of homework and you must have also started and I would like to emphasize here that there is one myth that the myth is that they are saying that the entire curriculum will be prepared by the government and it will be mandatory to all know it is not even in the higher education the government is saying that the 20 to 25 percent of the course structure or course curriculum can be changed now when you are focusing on the skills please try to focus on those skills which are your local which are well recognized which are of the Nagaland which are of your northeast region which where the where the person can get the job job at your own place or I would like to tell you one more thing now we are having a population of 139 crores and no government can provide the jobs to all mind it whether you are having NEP 2020 or whether you are having NEP 2020 or not so we will have to focus on such type of the things that the entrepreneurship we will have to focus on the entrepreneurship we will have to focus on such type of the system that the people should become the job providers not the job seekers now the question comes that if you all focus on the job providers it means that you will come into the growth sector into the manufacturing sector now when there will be the huge amount of the gross product where it will go so we will have to develop such type of the system that we will have to identify those products which are having the demand in the foreign countries and the export and I tell you very frankly you will find that the India can compete in the world in the agricultural products in agriculture food in animal products and we can earn a lot of money and we can we can focus on the herbal plants medicinal plants I know once Anruth Babar he gave me one very small this bottle and I asked him last time also that you provide me one more but he he had given me he had not given me and he has ignored and I am making this complaint on this platform that you ask him that I said that whatever the cost I will give it was having some herbs and these herbs were so so so I will say so it is difficult to find me the right word these were so aromatic so aromatic that I was taking through my nose and it was cleaning the entire refreshing the entire mood and the entire brain it was refreshing totally cool down and my my granddaughter she is only four years old and still I am having that that bottle with me and still after three years I he he gave me about four and a half years ago that is this this bottle four and a half year old having the same herbs is still it is giving the aroma aroma and this aroma is still opening my nostrils and and thanks to the thanks to Anruth Babar that he gave us such a beautiful medicine and I know that that northeast pupil or the northeast region has so many herbs so many aromatic plants so many medicinal plants so try to train your students on those type of these things try to find the way I can tell you that that type of the herb but Anruth gave me if this is produced in the large amount and exported in the world you can beat entire world and it can earn you dollars dollars and dollars in that so there are several aromatic plants medicinal plants herbs which are having the great value so only thing is that we have to recognize it realize and we have to feel proud of it and we have to find the international market and I know that being the local you people or the local people or at the at the at the pupil level this thing cannot be done for that what you have to do what the education policy should do they should they should give the education to the agri business agri business community export business and for that we will you will have to have some type of collaboration with the private firms private people who are having the who can who are having the large organization who can put large money who can collect you all together so such type of the things you will have to integrate in your education system so don't think that whatever the curriculum has been decided by the central curriculum framing committee that is a binding or you know you please please you modify it modify as per your skills modify as per your available resources and modify as per your needs and then focus on such type of the products which are having the export market and this type of the things need to be inculcated in your course curriculum in school education I will come now on the school education they say three to six year child by 2025 they will get all these things and the expansion and strengthening of the facilities with multi-pronged now simply simply I tell the which I which I discussed you that the biggest challenge is the uniform uniform facilities in all the schools I tell you one very important very small story when I was in Germany I gave I went there in 1986 as a dad fellow as a visiting scientist I went there with my family the German they have a system that from India you will get a you will get just a just a NOC or work permit but this work permit will be confirmed when you will go there and you will register yourself in the police it is for all whether you are a scientist whether you are going to for to seek a job or whether you are going to anything except the tourist visa all visa all visa holders they have to report to the police within a month so when I reached there my professor told me that you have to go to this police office for the registration and this is the form and this is the all these things and you go I went there with my family and they said me they gave me that I had two sons at that time my elder son he had already completed fourth fourth standard from India so they gave me a school nearby school of my residence that you go and report in this school and your son will get the admission okay next day I went there and they took the test of my son and they said no no professor your son is qualified for the international school and we are giving him a letter and you can go to the international school and and he can go and study there because you are here for a few years and you will go back so we don't want that you should waste your time in the German school or learning the German language that's fine thank you very much they gave because that school in the in Friberg area there was only one international school if if you are going if you are giving the admission in another school then your locality then it is the mandatory for the government to provide you the free bus pass so school provided the free bus pass to my son and my son was going and he was studying fine after three months a policeman came to the department where I was working and he told my professor that that look here the son of your visiting scientist is not going to school professor called me told called me he said that your son is not going to school and I said that no he's going to the school every day he's going to the school I wondered I I immediately I thought that then where my son is going if it is he's not going to the school because he is having the bus pass he goes alone we are not accompanying him nobody no parents go to leave the children there the children from the very beginning they have to go on their own to the school he asked me that which school he's going I said that he's going to this international school then the policeman said no no we admitted your son to this school I said that we went and we reported there and they said that your son is qualified for the international school and he gave us the letter and we went to the international school and we got the admission there now you see that he apologized to me because neither the policeman told me that I was required to report him neither that school told me that I was required to tell the police station also that my son is has got the admission in another school neither that international school told me that I should inform the police station the policeman excuse me he stood up he gave me a salute and he said sorry sir I apologize on behalf of my system because you are a foreigner it was the duty of the school to tell you or it was the duty of the school to inform us that they have provided the admission to your son in the international school or it was the duty of the international school to inform us it was not your duty so you see the system all the schools of the locality anywhere you give the admission to the student to the child whether you give on this corner or in this corner or that corner all schools are having the same furniture same type of the quality of the teachers same type of the books same type of the system of education equality they are there you realize that there is equality to that type of the equality India needs at least at least up to the fifth standard of the class which is missing which is missing in this any bit we are not finding this vision I had advocated it I had many times said it but maybe that due to the funds maybe that due to several things and several things I don't want to discuss you are brilliant and intelligent enough you can guess that what may be the reason that why they are not providing the equal education to all the children we are saying that right to education not the right to education there should be a right to equal quality of education then only India can become the earth neighbor then only India can feel proud then unless our children our children feel proud unless our children feel equality we cannot feel proud so that is the one very very sad thing and very thing which disturb me many times so ensuring foundation literacy and numeracy what they say that we will provide them the foundation literacy and numeracy up to the class grade five standard and this so many things they are they have brought into the curriculum and these things but pupil and teacher ratio will be 30 is to one in every school and the grade grade one student from 2020 they were saying now the 2021 is going so the implementation is a one big very big problem this was the class policy that they will implement from the 2020 and still I don't think you you you people must be knowing better that what type of the primary schools you people are having I but I doubt that equal standard or equal status type of the primary schools are available every city or something like there is so much classification so much confusion so much difference everybody want I I tell you that when I was living in CCS university campus my younger son he was traveling at a distance of 18 kilometer every day his child of nursery he is going to the school at seven and his class will start at eight thirty or nine because the bus will take him early and then when the his class will be off at 12 then he will come at the come to the house at one thirty that is one and a half hour or two hour are wasted in the morning and one and a half hour is wasted after the after the class just in traveling why because I also wanted to give him education in the good school had the same quality of the education schools in the entire city then I would have put my son in the school which was located in the university campus itself so that is a very pity that we are talking of the foundation national and literacy and the numeracy the literacy and numeracy we should also focus on the equal quality of the education and which is sometimes I am not criticizing the policy please mind it I am just making out that how if we make such type of the things if we implement such type of the things and this is the local the state governments the local people the local government can focus on that the equal status or equal type of the schools should be developed and up to the grade five education is most important by I tell you very frankly that this is the age where the entire development of the brain of the child takes place and after that there is no further develop biological development of the brain after the grade five no biological development I am saying it mind it biological development only it will the further education it will create the awareness it will increase or enhance the communication skills it will increase his or her knowledge but the creativity and thinking whatever was to be created in whatever was to be things in the developed in the child it was it takes place only up to the grade five so creativity thinking and development mental development these are the three most important things of the personality of any any person so the up to the grade five we have to give much much more much more of the emphasis new curriculum what we say that they will what they have proposed that foundation stays pre pre primary grade one two grades one to two rapid brain development and play and active discovery okay yes I do it here this is the one to two grade first year first early class or those three class these are mainly and here rapid brain development all the exercise all the all the education should focus on this play and active discovery play and active discovery it is very important for the creativity playing is very important for the creativity for the creative learning for the creative thinking I tell you when I was in Germany then my younger son he was only 11 months old and we were living in a international hostel I was having a three bedroom flat over there and there were some seven flats were earmarked for the visiting scientists who were coming with the family and from all over the world the people were living there so seven families were living in that seven floor building and these seven families they were all having the children and all children they were from the different countries and at four o'clock every day all the children were playing in the park and we were seeing from our balcony that no one was knowing the language of each other but every child was so so intimate friend that they were communicating in their own language to everyone and every child was understanding now you see there were I do remember there were about 18 to 20 child 20 children from all the seven families and whenever I was living on the first floor so when I had the another family was on the ground floor the another family that was from Saudi Arabia so what was happening that all the children when they were playing for two three hours so they were feeling thirsty also they were feeling something tired also so they all were coming to any of the house any of the house of the seven families they were taking out the things water or juice or or milk or anything whatever they like from the fridge and they all used to take it there was no hesitation no inhibition that that type of the thing that type of the equality we need that type of the society we need that type of the equality equal understanding between the children we need because no one was understanding the language of each other but they were so much communicating their their their body language their sign language it was so communicated that they were understanding each other and they all were playing for two or two or two or more hours every day so that type of the things are active discovery playing during the play the entire development so that type of the education system we need and it will it will depend that what type of the educators what type of the teachers have been that teacher that type of the skill need to be developed as the teachers that you have to speak I tell you one more one more story I was learning German language I was already at that time 35 year old and I was already teaching since last 14 years and when I was teaching since last 40 years to sit in the class one field odd so when we were studying the German language then our teacher she came on the very first day with the passport you know and that teacher on the very first day she knew very well that none of us know German language she started from the very first very first sentence Guten Morgen we didn't know that what does it mean we try to repeat Guten Morgen that so and then she brought showed us the past this is past this is the passport this is first phase that is the first phase this is a spiegel figure and this mirror so everything whatever she wanted to teach she used to bring it and she used to show it she used to express it she never spoke a single word in English for few days for for a week or something like that we were watching her face her eyes and her lips and we were trying to understand and after one week we started understanding few words and then slowly and slowly we started learning so this is the thing that type of the teachers we need to create that type so the that type so the training we need to give to the teachers and that that is very we have unfortunately not done anything during the last one year and we have started when we have so the preparatory stages three to five this will be built on clay and discovery so this five five years you'll see that this five year curriculum this five year curriculum is very crucial very important and you have to focus on this then transition to structural learning middle stage Yaha says from here they will start navigating you they will start that you start learning the skills they start learning the carpentry electricity plumbing job this this is not that you are going to make the make the career in this but that thing will give you the mental development that will give you a give you a give you a culture that will give you a training that how to behave how to do the secondary stage is then nine to twelve years is the preparation for the leave leave this is the motive so the motives or the aims these are well defined now the question is that we have to frame the course structure we have to frame the syllabus we have to frame the entire education system so that's these objectives can be attained if we are able to do it I can guarantee that India will be the best in the world we can beat us we can beat Germany we can beat Japan we can beat any country because we are having such a powerful force of 139 crore people and we are having the beautiful 15 agro climatic zones and if you will find that the most natural duty it exists in the northeast area like your Naga land like Manipur like Assam like Mizoram all these things most natural beautiful things prior diversity is preserved natural ecosystem is preserved nature is preserved India is preserved in northeast region so the transform a transformation of the curriculum pedagology actually I am coming that what is the objective what is the policy and now the course structure you can frame to fit and to obtain to achieve this objective this transformation curriculum curriculum to pedagogy pedagogy that is how the skills how the development education you are being prepared for the higher education so that type of curriculum to develop the language proficiency now after that scientific temper sense of aesthetics ethical reasoning digital literacy knowledge of India current affairs so we should focus we should prepare the syllabus and the course structure on this such type of the focus such type of the things so such type of the things the policy is very good policy has been but the question is that the there is no guidelines for its implementation implementation has been left untouched and there is no monitoring of the implementation and if we are able to implement this policy in the right is great in the right approach he will be the best in the world that is a high quality of the new textbooks need to be developed in the Indian languages this is the further one of the most important challenge so these these things I am not going to read it you can you can take it from under the power I will share the entire community language is another thing now the focus I tell you very frankly many of you I know that are the scientists are working in the higher education system you can bring the new ideas innovative ideas only in your mother tongue you test my this statement today in the evening sit in your lounge just relax and try to think some new things these new things will not come in English language into your brain into your mind these new ideas new thinking new philosophy new working style new things these will come in your mother tongue whatever you are speaking so the mother tongue is one of the most important the language of the instruction should be in mother tongue I don't know your language I would have been happy if you I would have known your mother tongue it is the one of the very important tragedy with the India that when India became free still even today we don't have our national language I feel pretty if I have to communicate with the northeast people why I need the why I need to speak a English language why do I need I should know your language you should know that this side language there should have been only one language and this one communication language whatever it it it should have been I'm not making this controversy that it should be have been Hindi or it should have been Sanskrit or Tamil or Telugu or Kannada or Balyaram or Odhya or Pali or Persia or any language but there should have been a national language when India became free when we framed our constitution that is the biggest tragedy with the development of that is the biggest tragedy which is not allowing us to unite together this is the biggest problem which is creating in the integration of the nation we may claim we may say now a few days back I am I was seeing that there is a conflict between the Assam and the Mizoram why between the states in a country a conflict not understandable this is most disgusting what we are giving the picture to the world we the two brothers cannot live together this is something ridiculous so that language now the now this is the thing that they are saying that the three language for they are saying that the mother tongue should be the medium of instruction and we are excited then their person should learn two more languages maybe they slowly and slowly in the long run maybe after 50 years maybe after 100 years maybe after 200 years there may become a common language of the communication between the entire country I will be happy but I don't think that during my life it will be possible it will take time so but this this is a good thing good gesture that the national education policy is talking about it is giving the due respect to each and every language that the medium of instruction should be in the mother tongue or whom language you can say it or mother language you can see mother tongue and then then the books need to be developed in the mother tongue and the mother tongue is very important and after beside this mother tongue the policy says that there should be some more language so that you can study two more languages so three language formula is there teachers the teachers taught the error of change this is the one which I have been saying that the training of the teachers unless we are training and educating the teachers who will provide the teaching to the students we will not be able to change the education and so that is why so with the Institute of Engineering and Technology what we did that we trained the teachers over this one year and the corona period was a was a we took the full advantage of the corona corona period because in forever corona period the teachers were giving the education online to the all the students I tell you one I feel proud also when I say that Shobit Institute of Engineering and Technology gave all online classes started from the 17th of March 2020 when we realized that the COVID-19 pandemic is going to come I'm a professor of microbiology when I heard the statement on the television that the government of India has been the all international flight on 13th March in the night and because I was keeping a track on the COVID-19 situation in the coronavirus and I knew that now soon that there will be a lockdown because there was no other possibility there was no other method to control it only the lockdown was the only method to control or to curb the COVID-19 pandemic so I was fully prepared that now the online classes have to be started and I tell you another power and Michael colleagues that I invited all the faculty members on a cup of tea on 17th March I remember at two o'clock in the afternoon and I said that now please you all be prepared for the online teaching some of my colleagues senior colleagues also they said that what you are saying prof are we going to give the online teaching yes be prepared we will have to adopt this system for next two years they said that what then I taught them some basics of the coronavirus and I told them that if the government will not adopt these practices then we will be eliminated and later the government had to adopt the same lockdown situation so the teachers need to be trained we trained the teachers during that period we decided that these these type of the courses we will have from the next year and we will be asked the teachers to develop the skills during this period while staying at home and now I am happy that by most of the faculty members they are competent fully competent to give the education in that skill oriented courses and look can I continue yeah sure sure yes because you know that I have a weakness that I cannot speak for one hour sir may I interrupt you and I have one question in my mind right yes yes yes teams because right right monologue I don't like there's a lot thank you sir regarding monologue is not a good thing in the education right sir right sir yes yes yeah sorry it's regarding you know the debate which has been around for over 50 years about the concept of national language right yes I mean since I live in nagaland and I know nagaland so well you know that it's almost one decade I have been I have been observing I have been studying and I have been loving this place right now in the context of the northeast and also in the context of the nagaland I really want to raise a couple of questions regarding you know the concept of national language and the concept of educating children in the mother tongue because see your observation and your theory is absolutely correct right because the first thought that comes in our mind is in mother tongue right mother yeah but when we think about your mother tongue that is hindi and my mother tongue that is marathi yes these these languages have a have a rich history right yes like like they have been around for say more than thousands of years right I mean the academic literature the scientific terms are available in this language are you waiting my point sir right scientific terms are available in this language right I mean we can teach say physics in Hindi that is possible we can teach say mathematics in marathi that is possible we can even you know prepare some engineering courses in Hindi that is also possible because of the flexibility yeah because of the yeah because of the flexibility because of because of the you know the development of the language but here I know I want to raise certain questions regarding the languages in the northeast right we do not have I believe those type of languages which can encompass you know the modern knowledge like for example uh say uh in every tribe in nagaland they have their own unique set of language like for example there is a tribe a guy who called you in the morning my friend loku sankam right he's from a sankam tribe yeah and sankams has their own unique language and multiple dialects every village has its own dialect so uh when we think about the mother tongue like for example loku sankam has a mother tongue which is sankam but dialect is of his own village no sir on one hand it is india right and on the other hand it is other type of india which lives and prospering in the northeast region of india so the question of the language the question of the mother tongue and the question of developing and encouraging the schools and the colleges and universities to develop the curriculum you know in the mother tongue how it is going to how it how it is going to be able to reach the parity like you say equality all over here because there are so many languages in india like you know we cannot even think about having uh you know uh converting the knowledge into that language even even the punkini also I should say it is not that developed so what is your take on it Anudhi you have asked such a beautiful question which I can discuss for hours hours and hours thank you sir now one very important thing that now when the people say they people say or the politicians say let me refrain that there should be a national now we are are misleading and we are cheating the people at this stage we cannot make any national language we may dream but it is difficult it could have been done only when the constitution was framed at this stage because now such a vast country such a diversified country I will say it and the political boot bang politics it will never allow never ever will allow the national language to come one thing second thing second question second question your gaze that will be able to do the justice with the mother tongue yes we will why not Chinese are publishing their best research papers in the chinese research journal russians are publishing their best research papers in the russian journals germans are publishing their best research papers in the german journals in the german language japanese are publishing their best such papers in the Japanese language, if you see the Nobel rates, you will find that the work for which any person was given the Nobel prize, the first of his or her paper was in his or her national language. In the national research journal, UGC said that UGC has made it an API and it is in the impact factor. Why we are not publishing the quality research papers in our own Indian journals? Why we are not recognizing our work? If we are not recognizing our own house, why would we recognize it? When I am not proud of myself, why will Anruth be proud of me? If I am not myself, I say that the entire education should be in the mother tongue. If I understand the subject in my mother tongue, then I can communicate in the English language also. Do you think that the Chinese don't present their research on the international platform? They do it. When you will find their research papers, you will find that they will give that we have found this, this or our reference or reference of the Chinese journal. And then they will publish in the international journal. So why we are neglecting our mother tongue? That is our most important thing. And that neglect of the mother tongue, I tell you very frankly, Anruth Babar and my all colleagues here, this was our language slave mentality. We say that we have become independent, but still mentally we are slaves, economically we are slaves. Still we consider the white people or the US or the British people or something like that as they are superior to us. No, but they are not. We will have to feel proud. We will have to feel proud. And this proud will come only when we will study in our own language, our mother tongue. When I will feel that I am Indian, I belong to India, my India. When I will feel proud. Not that we have taken a left-right step or we have paraded in the morning and we have become Indian. No, my entire working should have been Indian. Not by giving empty language. But sir, Not by singing in public, not just by singing in public. We will have to. We will have to. Look at the Olympics. All the people who are going to the Olympics and all the people who are taking medals, you have seen that there is an industrialist's son, an industrialist's daughter, a politician's daughter, an IAS's son. They are already effluent class. They are still the British system they are having this. Only all those people who are, you see their history, you will find that all these people, they have fought, they have struggled. They have struggled for the bread and butter. And then they are bringing the pride to the country. So many times, I feel many times, I know that you know that I have discussed this thing when we were in JNU, Jaipur. Many times we had discussed that sometimes you feel that our forefathers or you can show those constitutional framers. They frame the constitution, you are a student of law and I have also studied the law for some extent. The constitution of India, when it was framed, I am not criticizing, but this is the fact. Then our mentality was slave. We were slave for 200 years. And our constitution when it was framed, then we were have had that mentality that if the British, how they ruled us, how did they come out? So still that English system is roaming around somewhere in the constitution. Still we are not having the equality in the right, equality in the words in the constitution. But do we have in practice, there is equality. To think that all the people who are living in the Nagaland and who are living in the Delhi or in the Uttar Pradesh or Madhya Pradesh or Rajasthan or Bihar or somewhere, all are having the equal rights or are having the equal status. All are having equal rights on the national treasure of the country. There is a difference. We are being taught in English. And we consider that the person who is speaking English, who is fluent English, who is able to, he is a wise enough to know. The wise is that who knows the things, who knows the subject, who has the knowledge. And that knowledge, it is not that the knowledge can be created only in English. Knowledge can be created in the mother tongue. The mental development, when you are in the bomb of the mother, then many of the words you learn, I can prove it scientifically. Because during the nine months, many of the things the child's brain development takes place, and many of the things they are printed on the brain development, and the genes and the first words, how the child learns. The child learns from the mother, all these words. So that is five years, five to six years. That is the most crucial which we are wasting, where we are not concentrating, where we are not focusing. Whatever the language the student or the child learned during these five years, that is the most understandable language to him. That is the most befitting language for him or her to make the creativity for thinking. Now what happens that the child is learning the maximum things during those five years in the mother tongue, and after that you shift him or her to the English language or to the other language, which is very bad. Then the mental development in the mother tongue, or the development of the mother tongue, and the education awareness of the other language. So I appreciate this one thing that what the national education policy says, that the teaching or teaching learning should be in the mother tongue. Why can't we prepare the books in the mother tongue? We can do it. This was a great conspiracy against Indian society, Indian culture, Indian religion, and Indian integration. That the language the mother tongue was avoided or mother tongue was ignored. Sir, while appreciating your concerns, I would like to draw again your attention to the reality of the people who are living in the north-east, sir. Because why I am so concerned, I will tell you. I am so concerned, sir, because the question of mother tongue has to be understood differently when we entered in the north-east. Like I have already told you, here there are hundreds of tribes in different parts of the north-east. They have their unique language. They have their own mother tongue. And with every village, the dialect changes, right? Language may remain the same, but every tribe has developed its own distinct language, which becomes a mother tongue of those children also. Like I have given you an example of a Loku Sangtam who gave you a call in the morning. So my question is that it is really understandable that students should be encouraged to take education in the mother tongue, in the language that they understand primarily. But here the question is, what about those languages that I am talking about which are not even been listed in the official list of the government of India, sir? That is my point, sir. What about those people? Will not they have any rights, sir? Yes, yes, Babar. Now I am coming to you. Now you have not visited Germany. In Germany, if you go, you will find that there is also the same problem that we are facing. Because they are also having the Babarian language, this language, this language, regional languages and they are also having the dialect, dialect also. And sometimes it was difficult. And even in the British, Britain, you go, you will find the Scottish. And so every country is having this type of the problem. But how they are dealing it, how they are solving it, that is the beautiful formula. That is the beautiful thing which we will have to adopt. That we are integrating, those people are integrating with each other. So when they are talking with their family or something like that, they are talking in the dialect. But when they are talking with the others, they are talking in the language of the region. So for example, in Nagaland, suppose we take the example that in Nagaland, there are 100 dialect or 100 different languages other than the mother tongue of Nagaland. So all these 100 languages speaking people will have to integrate. This language, this will help in the integration of the country. This will help in the overall development of the country. This will help in the overall development. So we all will have to work together. That is the one very important thing. We will have to learn from the world. The world is having the same thing. No country is having the same type of the, same type of the language or same type of the pronunciation throughout the country. Every country is having the dialect. Even if you come to the UP, you will find that every 11 kilometer, the dialect change. And many times it is difficult to speak. But I can understand. For example, I belong to Meret. And if I go to Bagpat Balasai, only 50 kilometers, about 50 kilometers, I cannot speak their language. But I can understand. They can understand my language. Similarly, Haryanvi. Haryanvi language, you have seen. This is not in the schedule. But the Haryanvi people can understand Hindi of this area and we can understand their language. I give you one more example. When I was in foreign countries, so many times the many of the Arabian people, the Muslim countries people, they used to watch the Indian movies. And when we were meeting, all of them were asking me, Oh, you are from India? From where Abta Bachchan is there? So they understood the language. They were watching the movies. They were understanding. So understanding of a person is very, very, very crucial. Many times you know that even if I don't speak, my body language, my saying, my some of the things will help you to understand many things. So we will have to not, we should not sigh. And we should not disappoint. We will have to make some, some sort of compromise, some sort of system. So we all will have to work together. We all will have to think and nobody, we will have to decide for example, how many languages are in the, in the consulate, 22 languages or something like that in the aid schedule. This is, these, these languages, in these languages are, let the people study. Let the education be given slowly and slowly the people will integrate. Suppose if you, if you think that in the Nagaland there are 100 languages. And if you all start, I tell you, they will be understanding the dialect of the each other. Are they able to understand or not? Babar. Oh, well that depends on the tribe, sir. Yes, I do agree. That depends upon the tribe. But maybe that many of them, they will understand the many of them. Yes. Slowly and slowly when we will start, when we will start teaching them in the mother tongue, mother tongue of the area, then the people will start thinking about it. Perfect, perfect. Mother tongue of the area. Mother tongue of area, I like it. Sir, I want your suggestion. I like it, I like it. I want your suggestion. I want your suggestion in this specific area where policy is required. Yes, yes. Because there is no policy of the central government that could deal with this crucial aspect. Yes, yes. Mother tongue of the area, the popular language, which most of the people speak, what do you think about it? I agree, I agree. That should be the medium of instruction. That should be the medium of instruction. That will, that will bring the quality. That will give the equal opportunity. He will also get equal opportunity, equal education, he will be able to say his own things. As you can see, I felt pretty, I read the story of Mirabai Chanu, that how much he had to struggle and struggle in life. All these things, these medium of instruction, which was our education policy, it was fine that the education policy of NEP 2020 came forward. But its implementation is a big challenge. When we are talking about mother tongue, I agree that there should be some sort of mother tongue of the area, local area, the dominant language. Do the translation of education. So teachers, the teachers, they need to be trained. They need to be taught. They need to be encouraged. Teacher education, BA education, this is about that. They are going to start this four-year education, integrated education program. And two-year program will continue. And by 2030, they will change. And they will, that is the thing, what they have proposed. Education technology, they are talking about this online teaching and online, this same portal you have seen, NPTEL seen. There are nine portal, different portals. And all these things, they will be given the more and more emphasis in this national education policy. And I know that Babar is doing fantastic, that on the online lecture now, we have the, this is one of the very good thing, that you can see the good education, you can interact with the people, sitting at the corner of the world anytime, anywhere. And the people feel happy to integrate into, interact with the people, different people. Agree, but that brings us one more question. Yes. And that question is, Internet inequality. Again the policy question. Yes. How are we going to solve it all? Agree, agreed, agreed. I have been saying, Babar, I will say that there was one my interview which was, which was telecasted on Delhi News Portal. And it was for one hour fifty-one minutes. I will share with you. Here I have highlighted this thing. And this has gone to the UGC, this has gone to the education minister, and this has gone, and they have also appreciated that I have said that until and unless you give the good quality of the Internet an equal wavelength throughout the country, you forget about the digital education or digital India. You are saying digital India, but digital India where? This is digital Delhi, digital Mumbai, digital Chennai, digital cities. But until and unless there is the digital Nagaland, until and unless there is digital Manipur, until and unless there is digital Jammu and Kashmir, until and unless there is the digital, digital in the remote areas, Jharkhand or all these places, we cannot say that the India has become digital. India will become digital because fifty-seven percent of the population of India it lives in the rural areas. Delhi is not India. Mumbai is not India. Chennai is not India. Kolkata is not India. The real India lies in those fifty-seven percent of the rural population. And they need to be encouraged, they need to be empowered, and for empowering them, thanks to Jio. I would like to thank Jio for this. He has increased the competition that the Internet is getting so cheap now. Speed is less. There are many regions of it. Try should enforce the directions that when he has given so many Internet connections, he has put so many towers everywhere. That is the some policy things. I don't want to criticize the government from here, but some of the things sooner or later the government will have to realize that the dream of the digital India will be successful only when you will provide the good quality of the digital connectivity to each and every corner of the India. I do agree. So integration of the vocational courses, as I have been saying that the skill-oriented courses, they are focusing. Now the question is that skill-oriented courses given by the fans will be able to establish the skill-oriented laboratories in each and every institution of higher learning and the universities about each and every skill? No. It is difficult. It will be again a disparity. Some of the institutions, some of the central universities, some of the state funding education, some of the big institutions they will be able to, but that's some... So again we are creating a gap. Again we are creating a gap. Difference, distance. So instead of creating such type of the distance and the difference and the similarities, we should focus on the similarities of the education. We should focus on the creation of the similar structure, at least a minimum basic standard of education in each and every school, in each and every institution, in each and every university. And unless we focus on the similarity or the equality, it is a myth. Any of the policies. So the integration of vocational education is skill-oriented. So skill-oriented labs are also made. Government says we will give 6% GDP. But during the last one year, I have not seen that the 6% of the GDP has been allocated to higher education or to the education as a whole. It has not been. Higher education. Now I am coming to the higher... This was up to the primary and the middle education. And higher education, most of the things you all know very well, that higher education, more than 1,000 universities and 45,000, more than 45,000 colleges, they say that they will establish 15,000 universities. Now there are only 1,000. So 14,000 more universities are likely to be formed. But I say here that establishment of the universities of the sub-stranded quality will not help India. How many universities are at present in 200 universities at the international level? Only three in India. When we are having thousands. Only three universities are in the top 200. And if we count in the top 100, there is none. Only one Bangalore ISC is qualifying something. And one IIT. That too also at a bottom place. May I ask one question in this regard? Because see, I mean when we speak about the competition in the education sector, and also when we look at the world, and as you rightly mentioned that we have to be competitive and bloody this policy is actually helping us to be a competitive provider, it is properly implemented. So here the question I want to ask you is that whether the private universities will be the deciding factor, will be the decisive factor in the growth story of India in the education sector. What is the same quality? Yes, let me tell you my my frank opinion. In next 10 years only those private universities will survive which will be able to deliver the quality. And the rest of the universities they will disappear. They will not find the students. So we will have to focus on the quality education. Now, if the government wants that the quality universities should develop at least for the infrastructure the government should support equally to the private universities and the government universities, state universities. Now I tell you one very important thing. When I was in the state university CCS university merit, I was a very good researcher. When I used to collect projects my projects would be sanctioned. The day I joined the private university my quality education was over. Where did it go? I am not a brain anymore. My intelligence is over. Now I have more experience of 5 years. I used to say that I am 21 years 46 years of experience. My age is 21 plus 46. I am in the 46 years of experience. Now I have a private system or government system. Both are entirely different. Both the universities in the system are different. State universities, central universities they are heavily funded by the government. This funding should be curtailed. And this funding should be diverted to the private universities also. Private universities they should be given the funds or maybe that I give you a formula that you don't give the private. Actually what happened that the private universities now what happens that the private universities who takes admission? Admission is taken by the student who can afford the money. Now maybe his competence is not the same issue. The top cream the cream was in the state university in the central university and you say that the private universities should compete with the state universities and there their fees are also less. Here the student's fees are also more so the poor student can't go to the private university and the poor student can't go to the state university and the good students that can't go to the private university then the poor student is frustrated. Where does the poor go to the university where the fees are less? When the fees are very less then what will be the quality you can imagine? Now the private universities they are also having that some universities are very good but they are charging heavy fees heavy fees. So they are also out of the reach of the poor students. So the poor student who has a poor rural area, who has to run a solution in the field from morning to evening and after that he has to go to college. So what should be done for that? That student should have been given the full student shift, full free shift, full scholarship and that scholarship should have been given to the university. In the form of the fees, not on those. So he's... Actually the government has run that system. It's a good thing. But what happened? Some of the universities started digging into it. But now they think that the government has understood it. Now the whole thing has become digital, online. Now the people who are digging into it are getting caught. So the system is gradually changing. India is such a big country. 139 crore people, you can just think. The US is having only 33 crore people. And the area of the US, you can imagine how big it is than India. So the main problem of India is the population. The vast population. So for this vast population, the system that we are building... The system... Now we have been independent for 74 years. In 75 years, we will enter the 15th August. The celebration is starting. Now in 75 years, if we... I don't belong to any political party, I don't support any political party. But I think that India needs such type of the people who are progressive. Who are progressive. The politicians who have to be progressive, they will have to bring policies. They will have to think about the development. The people who are standing in the last line, they will have to think about that. Unless you think that more than 60% of the people are below poverty line, then how can you expect from the quality education from that country that the quality university cannot enter. And how can you expect the quality university to be in the top 200 in the world because it doesn't have that much resources, not that much funds. The funds cannot be given to the state government, the central government. And if the private university will keep that much fees, then the student cannot support the fees. So there are so many complications. With so many complications, if you sit and think unbiased, then you will find that still India is doing the best. Although there are so many political problems. Political ideologies are different. Some of the people are having some other agendas. The national agenda is of no one. India's growth and development agenda will be mostly there. There are so many things. You are a political science student. You know better than me on these issues. We will talk on the issues of political science. We will have one-to-one discussions. When you come to college for a week, then we will discuss with students and faculty members. It will be fun. So let's talk about Takshila Nalanda. This is our mission. Yes, we can. But Takshila Nalanda had 2 universities in India. Now we are talking about 15,000 or 20,000 universities. 15,000 to 20,000 universities. We will make Takshila Nalanda very difficult. It is a dream. It will take hundreds of years, centuries to develop that system. Because we don't have such type of resources. 35% of our total GDP goes to the military alone. Then 30% is the import of the oil. 10%, 15% is the import of the gold. You see the economy. From where the funds will come for the development. Whatever is the source of the earning, the maximum amount it goes in these 3 sectors. Import of the fossil fuel, army, gold import. We have become mad for the import of the gold, for the luster of the gold. So you just think that where we are going, arms race, military, every day you are seeing that there are these conflicts, that conflict you are a man of the international politics also, you know it very well better than me. That how the country is having the situation. And over the above what is happening, that the people do not want to do the work, they want everything free. Nobody want to pay the tax to the government. And everybody want that the government should give us everything. This is the biggest tragedy. Now we are talking about GST. The GST wants to take the business, but it does not want to give it to the government, it wants to take it from the customers. The business wants to take the GST from the customers, but it does not give it to the government. So that type of the mentality, that type of the system, that the mindset has to need to be changed, if we are thinking about the country. So that is the very situation, but while struggling with all those problems, India is doing better. It is making forward, but it needs lot of things to do. Why we provide the freebies to anybody? They should be asked to do some work. Why free? They are also the human. I am also working, I get up at 5 o'clock, 6 o'clock in the morning, and I go to the bed at 12 o'clock in the night. If I am earning the money and paying the tax to the government, not for that, you will distribute it for your political vote bank to the free. Who is doing nothing? Sir, I would like to draw your attention to the research aspect, which has been clearly discussed in NEP 2020. Yes. There have been... No, okay. That is why I am coming to this part, I am leaving a national research foundation. Yeah, correct. I have a question. I don't understand the meaning of... You know, students should be encouraged, or the scientists or researchers should be encouraged to take up those type of topics which are in national interest. So, can you please define what is national interest? Don't you think it's a contextual concept and it needs to be... It needs to be discussed in a more rational manner. Okay. Yes, Babar, I think that we should now stop sharing. I will share this entire puberty to you because still there are more than 18, 19 slides. We will... We will have a short... Let us discuss now these things. Let me stop sharing and let me come on the platform. Okay. Yeah, no problem, but just don't forget to talk about... This is a very important question. What is the national policy for the research? Yes. Now, I say that what should be the national policy? Every year we are getting the floods everywhere. In this area, this area, that area, that area. Why we are getting the floods? This is the problem of the water management. Before 1970, if you go to the history, you will find that the rains were also there and the total amount of rain before 1970, it was the same. Please, all people, you put your videos on so that I can see your beautiful smiling faces. Now, I will discuss some of the good things. Let us come as a class. Before 1970, whatever was the annual rainfall, that is all the same now. What has changed? The change is this. Before 1970, the total rainfall days, rainy days, these were used to be 45 to 48. Now the rainy days, they are 25 to 28. Number of rainy days have reduced. The heavy rains, heavy rains days have increased. That is creating the floods. We have finished the water management. We have stopped the flood. We have stopped everything. We have reduced the ground water. So the ground water level has reduced. Floods have started to rise. Sunamis have started to rise because the water in the sea has started to rise. This is dangerous, climate change. So we should focus, we should work, we should do the research on the climate change. If you go and see the projects, you will find that there is no project time. I am very sorry that why the DST, DBT, DEOE, all these funding agencies, why they are granting the project to such type of the things which are not solving the national problems. You submit a project that the floods will be controlled. You submit a problem that the transport will be blocked clean. Now India is producing 320 million tons of the cereals. 330 million tons of the horticultural fruits. And I tell you that it is enough to feed 150 million population. It is enough to feed 150 crore people as much as India is producing. But still that 20% of the people, they are not getting the food, they are not getting the fruits, and many of the people are not getting the right quantity and the right nutrients. The 60 to 70% of the people, they are malnourished. Where this is going? 40% of the food is being wasted. Post harvest management. That is the national priority. That should be investigated. That should be supported. Here we should do the research. Now there was the COVID-19 vaccine. We wanted to say that we should import the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine, which need to be stored at minus 73 degrees Celsius temperature. Do we have the blockchain? Are we having the research? Have we done this type of the research? That the vaccine which will arrive at the Mumbai airport will be transported to the village of Meretov village, to the Nagaland in the remote area, keeping the temperature minus 73 degrees Celsius. No. This type of the research is needed. Now we are importing the mobile. We say that we have been able to build the planes, aeroplanes, missiles and all this and that, and several things we claim. Can't we make this mobile? The small mobile? The consumer product? The research is required here. Solar power. The contribution of the solar power is only 3% in the national power grid. Why? We need the research here. There is a solar power research so that everyone, we are having such a beautiful 15 agro-climatic zones. We are having the top bio-diversity. 30% of the total bio-diversity of the world is present in India. In the northeast regions, these are rich in the bio-diversity. They are rich in the natural resources. Why we are not promoting it? Why for the first time there is the education minister from the northeast region? Why? Why for the first time? Why not during the last 74 years? Why not we are giving equal rights, equal things to all the regions? Why we are not realizing the importance and the value of each and every region? Here the research lies. Why we are not doing the research on the medicinal plants, aromatic plants, herbal drugs, Ayurvedic drugs? All people are not the supporters of Baba Ramdev. I don't say. But if you see that he has done a great service. Yoga he made. Why we cannot sell the yoga to the entire world? Why cannot train the way we can train the people in the world? Where we are having the competency? Where we are having the excellence? Why can't we grow the black paper, the globe and all these things in every area? Why only the Kerala? We should do the research. We should do such type of research. This is the national priority, national policy. Unfortunately what we are doing, we are doing the research which is directed by the US, Germany, Japan or England or China. What they publish. We are focusing on the quality publication, impact factor journals. We should focus on the local and local research. Local needs. There should be a variety research which are required for the society. There should be a half-page presentation in each of the research project that if this project is completed, what social value it will add to the society. There is a time has gone when we should focus and we should fund the basic research. We should fund those research which will do some purpose. We should do the research on the new varieties. We should do the research on the basmati rice. We should do the research on the quality products. We should do the research on the organic farming and the formation of the good medicines. All these things should be focused on what we can export. We should see where we can produce and where we can export and where we will get the market of our products. So the government should have not only the one ministry of the commerce. I say that there should be three, four, five ministries of the commerce. They should focus on each different type of the products. One is having the homemade product. One is agriculture product. One is industry product. One is defence product. Then only the things can be. The export-oriented country we have to build. How did China become the economy? Where was China before 1990? I am not praising China. I am not a supporter of China. I don't like China. I don't like the policies of China. I am not supporting the expansion activity of China. But economically, it is a power. You see the model that what they developed after 1990. Before 1990, they focused on the export orientation. 60% of the economy of China is by the export. We also have the force. We have 139 crore people. Why we are not focusing on that? Why we are not focusing on utilizing our main power? Which is the biggest and the largest demographic dividend. The government is busy in the election politics. Government is busy in so many things. They are having little time to think about the country. I am not criticizing. But there should be two government. One should be for the country and one should be for the politics only. I heard that. One part of the politics should be within the government. And the mantras should be within the government. Now this takes me to a very sensitive question. You are a political student. You are a student of the political science and the law both. Yes, yes, yes. It is a political party. It is a governing party. Any minister should be prohibited. Right, right. But that takes me to a very important question. They should work in the government. From the money that they get salary, they get everything. They do the convincing. They do the advertisement. They give advertisements on the official TV channel. Why you are making? You are popularizing your government. You are popularizing your political party at the cost of my tax money. Very true, sir. But here, now... If you are going to an election meeting, then they should do the political party. Not the government. Government should be separated from that. Once you win, you make the government. It should be separated. True, true. Very true. Now that takes me to another important question. Yes, yes, yes, yes. You must be listening. I am very blunt about what you said. I agree, I agree. But my question is, now it is going to be... Yes, it is going to be a very sensitive question. What is there for us, the people in the north for the new education policy? What is the new education policy for us? For you, the new education policy is that the mother tongue in the area, the education BTA, the curriculum, the instruction, the printing of books, everything is done in that. Can you please give us a road map, how it can be done? Please give us a road map, give us a blueprint, in short, how this policy can be developed? Yes, it can be developed. You are doing a great job there. You are doing a very good job. People like you, you have Kalishtamiya, may be that... Nisha, Nisha Dahiya or Texas College? Yes, sir, I did a technical introduction. And I came to know that she is also fully devoted. She is also fully committed, not devoted. She is also fully committed. I salute you people in Nagaland that I am at 67 now. My age is now at this I would have loved to live there and loved to serve there. But I am happy that I have a friend named Dr. Asha Gupta in Manipur. It will be my pleasure to join with you people. You make it in a way that you first implement it in your college. We will not be in the English language. We will be in the local language. We will be in the area language. Start developing. Start doing. Or this should be started from the primary education. Can this proposal be given to the state government sir? Yes. Can this proposal be given to the state government? Because the national education policy says that the medium of instruction should be in the mother tongue. So mother tongue of the area. You give us the fund. You give us the infrastructure. You promote us. You give us some funds for making the books in the local language. You submit a project. And you ask that the primary school should be in the mother tongue. When I was in primary school, I used to call it the school of municipality. And at that time the government school was the top school. Private schools were considered as the below standard. In the 1960s, government schools were considered to be the best. Because their quality and everything was very good. The quality of teachers, the standard infrastructure of the government schools. It was better than the private schools. And the government school meant that you feel proud. Now the question is different. Now there is a reverse. The situation is reversed. Our education policies have shifted. The government took our attention from education. And we went towards privatisation. We put it in the non-productive sector. We thought that this is wrong. Education is the most important product in the sector. If the citizens of any country are good, if they are educated, then that country will flourish. That country will develop. That country will grow. Because people don't want to be educated. So they will talk about education, development. They will talk about good things. The government wants the government to be in the boat. So there are several things. You are an expert in political science. You understand these issues very well. You will discuss all these issues. Then we will discuss these issues. That's true. It's almost two hours. You have been speaking and we are learning a lot. Well, this is only me who has been asking the question. And I am sure Aviva is there. Then Guru Manu is there. Then Hiriya is there. Then Noel is there. Then our madam Numa is there. So if you have any question or maybe if you want to argue with the sir. Yes. You are always welcome. Because the good thing that we are doing here, we are opening up the hearts and the minds of the people through this platform. I believe in the dialogue. Not the monologue. Is there any question? Maybe your concerns about the education in the north-east or maybe your concerns about the direction of this country. You are able to raise the questions. You can ask the questions. Sir is ever willing to answer. Yes, Deva Brata. Are you not interested to ask any questions from me? Maybe everybody is lost in thoughts. The kind of points that you have raised, especially regarding the blueprint of mother tongue. That is very interesting. For example, I think we have some language experts in Petso also. I think we need to discuss this very seriously. Let us see what we can do about it. It is not just a question of the government policy. It is a question of the identity. It is a question of the language of the people. It is a question of the whole of the community. Yes, yes. My identity. My thing that should be. Where does the child's identity come from? It comes from the mother tongue. We leave the identity of the mother tongue in education. We run after the mother tongue. This is something not accepting. Sir, I think we should give some time to our participants and also all those who will be listening to you when we put up this entire recording on the YouTube to digest your thoughts and maybe your thoughts could inspire people to put them into the action. I think that would be the real success of this workshop. That would be the real success of this conference. Sir, one good thing about you is that you have always been intellectually helpful. I could not forget the way you encouraged me when I was a lost PhD candidate. When I was lost in the thoughts and I was really struggling. But after all those years, now it is because of you. I can proudly say that I learned a lot and I got my PhD as well as I am able to impart knowledge. It was my pleasure and you were so hard. Because working on Naga land on Naga issues, it was never an easy job. Sir, with these words, I really express my gratitude to you for your time and also for your knowledge. We will invite you once again and what we are taking away from you. We are taking away a couple of points. The first point is we should feel proud of our own roots. We cannot forget our own roots. The second thing is that a new education policy is an ideal provided it is properly implemented. The first important point that we are taking away from you is that everything should be equal. If you are creating a model, then the application of the model should be equal in every region of India. And also about the internet disparity, internet inequality that you have spoken about. I believe that this is a very important policy question that the government needs to understand and also the policy makers needs to sort it out. And finally, the language of the heart, the language of the soul, the language of the mother, we should respect. And our people in the north, our people in the Naga land are so attached to their language, their roots and their identity. They will definitely consider your opinion and your suggestion, sir. And maybe a proposal can be made by the academicians, the Abel academicians from the north, from the Naga land and can be given to the government for the implementation and for the further action, sir. So I'm really happy that you have come and shared your thoughts freely with us. Thank you, sir. Thank you so much. Ms. Foybiliu, Numa has given a message to you, sir. You can check it in the chat box. Thank you so much, sir. It's really a privilege to listen to you. She is our dear friend and a faculty of Ethno College Department of Sociology. Thank you very much, Anur Bahar, for giving me an opportunity to interact with the excellent pupil of northeast, the most beloved pupil of the nature and the highly brilliant and intelligent pupil on this earth. And thank you very much for interacting with you people and looking forward to meet you sometime, sometime, personally, whenever I will get time to come or when Anur Bahar will invite me. You are 24 hours invitation is open. You just come. I always invite you. Please come. I will come there and will stay for few days at least. And then we will interact personally. So best of luck and thank you very much. Good luck. Stay safe. Get vaccinated. Vaccination is one of the... about vaccination I used to say that unless each and everyone is vaccinated, no one is safe. So promote, encourage everyone for vaccination. Thank you. Thank you so much, sir. So thank you very much. Have a nice day. And beautiful things. Looking forward to see you pupil again. And thanks once again. Thank you, sir. Have a great evening ahead. On behalf of Ethno College, on behalf of my friends and on behalf of... Let your college progress wonderfully. It will, sir. Thank you, sir. Have a great evening. Bye-bye. And thank you all the participants. Thank you.