 George Bruna with the 21 report in Orlando, Florida, and I'm talking with Rolo Tomasi from therationalmail.com and he's written several books and you might have read them and you're aware of them and I don't want to go over that information because he's a dynamic person and there's constantly information and Research coming out of this person's mind here, and that's what we want to tap into today in a little chat and Give you some hope as well Welcome. Thanks The speech went well. Mm-hmm. Very well. I Gave my speech about the state of the mass fear is a state of the mass fear address. I Also added in a swat analysis. I don't know if you're familiar with what swat is It's the strengths weaknesses opportunities and threats. It's what a lot companies do to sort of assess where they're going where they're been, you know, and just sort of Just to assess the the state and the condition of their company and I thought about this like I had a Anthony Johnson the organizer here asked me specifically to do this and At first I was kind of reluctant only because I would rather be Writing my books. I'd rather be doing what it is that I do than talking about what it is that I do and When I get wrapped up into the man's fear Usually it's because people are looking to me as some sort of authority for that and I think I'm probably one of three guys Maybe that I know the three Rs in the man's fear that can I think accurately describe what it is what that what the man's fear is and Just what it is that we're experiencing where we're going right now. So that's what it was about. Yeah, I Find that every day, there's a new man that experiences and discovers what the man's fear is Explain it for the newbie. Okay The man's fear is really a consortium of guys It's a consortium of men all over the world That come together and share an experience or share a masculine and male experience That was actually one of the strengths that I that I put in the SWAT analysis it is It's men coming together and again relating up I think a lot of a lot of guys will will say, you know, Rolly I all this stuff that you talk about I Knew about I knew of it. I just in the back of my head. I could kind of feel that That's one of the reasons we call it the red pill recall, you know Unplugging from nature's I could feel that there's something wrong, but I could never put my finger on it I could never give it words and they almost always tell me that I have the capacity to Articulate what it is that they're thinking but they can't really put it out there And so when they read my books or they listen to the audio or whatever You know, they they think that I'm talking to them, you know, they say that I I'm they're hearing their own stories in what it is that I say and The way that I came to those stories is through the aggregate or aggregating men's experience from the man's fear So a lot of people a lot of the misconceptions about the man's fears They think that it's just about like pickup artists or they think it's just about big tower They think it's about men's rights movement and stuff like that. It's much larger than that It's a it's a nice It's a consortium is probably the best word that I can put to it But it's guys coming together and some, you know, sometimes we debate sometimes we encourage Sometimes we we hassle each other, you know, we're men Sometimes we we test each other we share ideas and It is a truly a marketplace of ideas amongst men right now and we try to stay as objective as we can But I'm not gonna say that that's it's always that sometimes It's you know, some guys can't help but put themselves into, you know whatever their ego investments are or whatever their politics are whatever their religion is but on the whole it is a really kind of turning into a resource of men's globalized Universalized experiences online in various forums my you know Through my work through other people's work through various podcasts. I've got my own podcast right now going with the red man group And So it's not just one form of media. It could be books. It could be Could be like said podcasting it could be coming to an event like this and learning about it So I mean that that's probably the best way I can describe the It's been said that never talk about politics or religion, but in the man a sphere we talk about politics We talk about religion but not In the sense that we're not trying to create We're not getting people to take sides We're not polarizing We We we're not talking about the world as we want it to be or how we should be how it should be Define to our listener and watcher How we are framing that okay? It's always been my policy on my blog that I only really get into Intersexual dynamics, and I think there's a misconception about what the red pill really is today People say all those red pillage there in cells or their neck beard guys Are there these guys who live in their mom's basement or they're these guys who are massages who are throwbacks to you know 1950s chauvinists and stuff like that. They think that it's just sort of the the evolution of that element in 2018 okay, it is not it is much larger than that it is much more Focused I should say on well first of all men's issues, but what you're talking about when it comes to People's personal convictions of what I call ego investments I only talk about And as objectively as I possibly can I talk about Intersexual dynamics and that is what the red pill has always been some people will say well The red pill is just truth and so I believe and I'm a conservative Republican or I am or maybe even I'm a liberal Democrat or whatever And that's my red pill right and it's like okay. Well, that's That's your bastardization of the brand of the red pill, but that's not the red pill is a red pill has always been about intersexual dynamics And it's always been about understanding that in as objective a way as possible, which is why it's been my policy never to Do or cover articles of politics or religion or Race or any of that kind of stuff because I think that what that does is if you if you do that you end up Polarizing a lot of men's experiences because as I said it is important for us to aggregate all those things And I don't care if the guy is you know black white Asian whatever. I don't care if you're Islamic I don't care if you're your Christian. I don't you know, I don't care if you're gay. Okay your Experience is what feeds this whole so that we can be better. We can understand this a little bit better We can understand what we're up against as well. And so I don't touch Topics particularly, you know directly about those things, but I do touch them if Intersexual dynamics crosses over into that. So I do talk about how in fact my fourth book my upcoming book is going to be About the red pill and religion It's going to be how masculinity and how religions have been kind of assimilated by what I call the feminine imperative I'm getting into that. I will talk about politics, but I will talk about them from intersexual dynamics I did so on the in this in this last talk but I've also I've written a post called the first female president where I kind of break down the sexual politics on a larger social scale between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump when The collective what I call the Gestalt masculine took away from something it took away something from the Gestalt feminine everyone thought that Hillary Clinton was going to be the next president. It was her turn It was she was owed it and all she had to do was just step up there and take it Well, the Gestalt masculine took that away from the Gestalt feminine and now we're feeling the brunt of that now We're seeing like with the resistance movement Yeah, pink pussy hats and all of the all the things that have been going on right now with me, too On the Kavanaugh decision everything all of that is fallout from the Gestalt masculine Taking something away from the Gestalt feminine and that's one of the reasons I think that we're started starting to enter into a stage of Social repression in a sense that men Masculinity itself is being starting to become criminalized just to be a man It's no longer enough to say something is toxic masculinity. It's that masculinity itself is toxic And so that is the shift in the narrative that's happening right now that happened Once the Hillary that was like, you know the benchmark of the catalyst for the whole thing was was the the election It'll be real interesting to see what happens coming up I mean, I hate to I hate to say, you know, make this really kind of American centric, but you know, we have the upcoming elections and We don't know what's going on. Do you think the last election rather than talking about the Democrat Republican thing conservative liberal thing Every now and then I see Anthony Posting something in his caption is this is what a gender war looks like. That's me. I'm doing that one That's my hashtag and and what's what's interesting is and I know Anthony is like just retweeting that constantly I just and I've been seeing it a lot I'm seeing the last election as as that and not even political. I Came up with that hashtag because I kept seeing Situations where I Can I just say this before I start that I Was following some blogs such as like box day and some of the other people and they're saying that we they're asking the question Are we in a war? Are we heading for a civil war? From again me being about intersexual dynamics I want to say are we headed for an intersexual gender war? Because that's kind of tough because in my estimate the sexes were meant to be complementary to each other not adversarial to each other and Ever since the sexual revolution That's been the state of affairs between men and women. It's been adversarial. It has been competitive It hasn't has had nothing to do with equality Ever since the sexual revolution and so now here we are in 2018 and we're seeing the results in the fallout of all of the the decisions that have been made socially politically personally religiously, you know of making you know of Disadvantaging men in order to make and it were ordered to achieve equality. I read that on a on a chalkboard once I college chalkboard Men have to be actively disadvantaged if they're ever to achieve equality and it's just the most insane Thing I think I've ever written or I've ever read because it's like you're trying to achieve equality But you're disempowering men. It's like you you're cutting off their legs so they'll be shorter and everybody will be equal yeah, and You do nothing to improve the state of the game It's like do you remember when the end the WNBA first came out and they were talking because nobody would go to the WNBA And they wanted to get more people to go and they felt like they had to but they were running into the the problem of Opportunity of equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome and none of the women could slam dunk They was all gave the game below the the rim So what did they say? Well, we're gonna lower the requirements for that We're gonna lower the rim so that you can dunk and it be fundamentally changes the game Fortunately, then it they didn't do that But when you get into issues like women in the military women and girls going into the to the Boy Scouts changing those male spaces It gets in the instance of the military It becomes dangerous to lower those expectations because we're expecting the game to change just for women So that more women can be included But the problem is is the real game the real game of combat and the real game of being a soldier that doesn't change Yeah, and and so these are just like some of the issues That I've been getting into recently because of the because of the The elections and but I do see a gender war in the sense that it's a cold war I'm not saying you know, we're gonna go out there and fight Yeah, but I think that there is definitely a a war of words and a war of ideas between the Gestalt feminine and the Gestalt masculine I noticed when Things like Ferguson were taking place. There was a lot of talk There's gonna be a civil war and then that kind of and that was what about a year ago And everything at Charlottesville. You think Charlottesville? Yeah, Ferguson. Oh just all these different things happening and then what and then Last year a rush of articles about EMP in North Korea. Okay. Well that got solved I mean Preppers were going nuts and making videos and that kind of thing and now there's a gender thing going on. I think the next From what I see what if there are two female candidates running for president? Yeah, what I mean Is it gonna be a race to see who is more what I think that would be I think that would be interesting What you're talking about right now is something that I call the sisterhood uber Alice, okay What I mean by that is the Latin form of that which is the sisterhood above everything else above all It's my belief that women When it comes to team woman They will put off politics. They will put off religion. They will put off all of the ideas that you know any kind of convictions And band together the joke I have is like if you took Gretchen Carlson and you took Rachel Maddow and you put them on the same Talk show they would fight like cats and dogs Politically if that's what you were talking about but you put me on that talk show and I start talking about red pill awareness Or what's going on with with the gyneocracy or with the with the feminine appearance Gretchen Gretchen teams up teams will lie. Yeah, they lock arms and they they you know close ranks and they fight you tooth and nail Because the team woman takes Priority over any other thing that they've got going and I've kind of I've linked that back to sort of the evolution in the evolution of women in a social sense It's in women's Evolved mental firmware to be more collectivist Because when we were hunter-gatherers we weren't hunter-gatherer societies women had to depend on one another for Sustenance and to you know child rearing and they had to be some sort of cooperation How does that play out in the modern world where they've done research where they've given women a bunch of money? And they're supposed to distribute that money between you know throughout a group on the women almost universally will Try to give that money out as evenly as possible or as if you do the same experiment with men they will Reward men with the money for merit So if you do a better job you get this much and if you didn't do hardly anything you get this much So that is one of the things I think it's sort of in our evolved collect collective You know psyche is that women tend to lean towards collectivism whereas then that is reflected I think in Governments that are run by women So if you look at Sweden right now if you look at Germany if you look at really in the UK as well Anywhere where we have a woman who is in political power They tend to default to that collectivist ideal They tend to want to give the money out as as as evenly as possible Although you know that that's one of the reasons I think that women sort of lean towards socialism And they lean towards collectivism I don't want to say socialism because that kind of has different connotations But collectivism for sure and so when women get into those positions of power that Collectivism kind of comes out. Do you think they want to even the score at the expense of? Yes civilization It's my belief that feminism has never been about equality that has always been the cover story for Feminism it has always been about retribution and restitution. It has always been about female supremacism and You know winning one for team woman for that. That's one of the reasons why when Hillary lost it was such a Devastating emotional reaction. That's why you have these people, you know out there in their pink pussy hats Or they're like just wailing on the ground because because Hillary lost well It's that emotional response and again that emotional response an emotional interpretive response is a Prioritization of women is a default position of women is to to see things and interpret information and and stimuli In an emotional interpretive position whereas for men It's more either instinctual or it is it is rational And then I said to say that that women can't think rationally. They can't it's just that that's not their first default That's not their first predisposition to do so actually for all of us We think of things instinctually and we don't even know that we're thinking of things instinctually I think it's also important for men to understand their own base or instincts, but When you look at how I'm getting into I'm getting you some kind of deep stuff here because What I'm looking at from from the perspective of and an evolution and looking at you know How women evolved as a as a social group and how men evolved as a social group? That is playing itself out in so many different ways in such so many different social strata right now last year I gave a talk called Hypergamy micro to macro and what I did was I took the the nature of hypergamy the nature of women from the Biological from from women's ovulatory shift all the way up through how it affects you personally when you're dating How you how it affects you when you're married how it affects you when you're working with a woman How it affects you when you're in social situations where you depend on? You know women governing you and then how it would how it would be if we were to say have a Have a female presidency so you have to look at all of those those little you know from from the micro to the macro And I think that where we're out right now is we're observing the macro We're observing what is happening or what women's collective social response is to defeat To being defeated by the by the Gestalt masculine team man beat team woman It doesn't people say well, it's it's about Hillary and it's about Trump. It is about him. Yeah versus her. Yeah Him as a man versus woman. Yeah, let me ask this usually the with the threat Or the implied threat of chaos or disorder a Group rises so with the threat of social chaos and disorder we have preppers With the threat of a gender war Which right now people are hearing that and with your hashtag When it becomes really really obvious to people and they finally put on the lens What is going to be the response? Is there such a thing as the a Red-pill version of a prepper I think Or are red pill people preparing already? Well, I think it's I think it's a little bit deeper than that because Most of the guys when they come to the red pill they're coming because they want to solve a problem They want to solve the problem of either, you know getting a girl We're getting their wives to have sex with them again or solving or how do I get my girl back? How do I get my girlfriend back? There's always those like kind of initial steps where people are mostly men are brought really kind of Low to a point where they're experiencing trauma and they have to be brought back up. Well as a part of That experience where they go from being at their lowest point being zeroed out to maybe reading my book Maybe you know involving themselves in the man's fear or in red pill ideas They tend to look for self-improvement after that because you have to rebuild yourself on something and hopefully you're doing it From a red pill awareness because that is going to That is going to improve your life. It's going to prove your your relations with women It's going to prove everything I mean with your with your wife your daughter your mom You know whoever else but so is there that that in a form is kind of like a preparation It's kind of doing that. Are we preparing for a gender war? I don't think specifically we are Like I said, that's one of the reasons why I'm trying to raise awareness of this right now Is because I keep seeing all this stuff and I'm I'm the reason I started the hashtags because I'm very concerned about what's going to happen if The GOP holds the house and they hold the Senate. What is the resistance? What is the gestalt feminine? What is the gynaocracy going to do? What's going to be the emotional outlash? backlash outcry whatever of Losing again of not pick, you know not of having their dreams of getting the gestalt Male Masculine in the form of Trump out of the out of office and putting somebody else in I mean, it's their wet dream to get Trump and Pence and everybody just have them go away And then we can push, you know, Hillary or whoever else in there So I think having to when we're talking about two female candidates I think that it would be kind of a battle of who is going to appeal most to Masculine sense because I don't think it's very tough for if we had Conservative woman and we had a liberal woman who were you know vying for the presidency at that point It's no longer trying to get the female vote It's trying to get the male vote and who can who can relate the most with the masculine at that point So, you know if that were to ever be the case I think it would be the one who can speak the language the one who can who can reach Who can convince? Men to vote for them because when we vote when we engage yourself in social Activities, we tend to do so from a tribalistic sense and I talked about that in the last in last speech Is that human beings are naturally evolved to be tribalistic and so if you've got team woman already on your side What's left you got to get them in so who's gonna do that best is gonna be the one to do And I honestly don't think that women today understand men well enough that they could even pull something like that off Yeah, I think it would be the voter turnout will be very very low because you know either way you lose as a guy Anyways, that's one of the reasons I didn't when I was writing that that post the first female president I wasn't doing that as a political statement I was doing that is trying to explain what was going on from an intersexual dynamics perspective on a political scale and So as a consequence, I said look I'm I've never been a fan of Trump Okay, I from day one. I was never a fan of him when he had his TV show I honestly I was I was just Disgusted at the state of politics when we had that and when it was Hillary Clinton and it was it was Trump and the only man the only masculine You know Embodiment that could defeat Hillary Clinton was Trump Yeah, I mean who else could do that if you didn't have Trump in there She would be the president. Yeah, yeah, it had to be so I tell guys I said look I didn't vote for Trump I voted against Hillary. Yeah, I said, you know, and maybe he redeems himself Maybe, you know things get a little bit better. You know people are gonna see this and go all I can't believe he's not for Trump Well, it's not that I'm not for Trump It's that I'm against Hillary and I'm against the Gestalt female until such a time where we can relate with one another on on at least a position of where Women will respect the authority of men because right now we have We have a state where we expect responsibility from men, but we do not give men authority. So when you have When you have guys who are voting or when we talk about things I Could talk about this from a religious perspective as well, but we constantly tell men to man up We say you need a man up you need a man You need to be a you need to be a husband A good father to your kids and you know on all that and we we place Responsibility after responsibility on men. We don't give men authority. We don't give them the authority to say look I can make decisions for this family. I can make decisions for this woman. I have authority over this woman You will never hear that from a female a Female politician you'll never say we need to respect the authority of men will never happen never happen How can people find out more information about this? Well, you can go to my blog first of all, which is the rational male calm you can engage me on Twitter, I am Rola Tomasi at the ration at rational male. I Am also Let me get read my books, of course too, but I'm also available on the red man group and there's a lot You don't have to follow me for any of this stuff. I mean there is a lot of guys out there a lot of That's one of the reasons I was talking about the state of the man is fears There's a lot of guys doing stuff on podcasts right now That's what I think is one of the weaknesses of the man's fear is that we are dependent on platforms that hate us that want that are Aligned with the Gestalt feminine But you can find more about you find out more about this through the 21 convention You can find more about this with just like reading my I would suggest probably the best Article I've written has been called the first female president and that's on my blog You can just simply search that and find that Or just join the conversation. I would I would encourage anybody who's never done anything like this Anyone who wants to know more about this and even if you're critical of this I would still you know the the man is fear is a place of ideas. We're a marketplace of ideas truly We're not trying to we don't have safe spaces. We're trying to debate We're trying to have this conversation without having to worry about being Banned without having to worry about being de-platformed or erased And so this is one of the few places I think on the internet that you will actually find an honest-to-goodness marketplace of ideas Rolla Tomasi From the rational male calm look him up research him Look at his article His blog post called the first female president What a great starting place for someone who's just entering into the man a sphere and for someone who is curious about this My name is George Bruno For the 21 report in Orlando, Florida