 Welcome to another episode of Coffee with Richard, I'm Richard Hines. Today's subject is going to be for my protection people out there. I think this is going to be an interesting subject and nobody talks about it. I haven't seen anything on it so I'm going to talk about how to start a protection dog in two different ways. I have my two instructional videos on protection and the first one is how to play with your dog and get the elite skills through a toy. So you can build your elite protection dog skills of technique and control before putting them in real aggression with a decoy. The second part of that video is starting dogs from scratch with no toy development straight to aggression. So I show both versions, so again the toy one is developing in play and then going to go into the aggression phase the same as those other dogs are doing with a decoy. The difference is the toy develop dogs are developing the techniques behind the scenes before real aggression training starts. So when they get to real aggression with a decoy the skills are already built in there making things much easier when a real decoy steps in to put real pressure and aggression on the dog. So there's a big difference. So in that video my first instructional on protection training I do both to show people how to start the dog in play if you don't have decoys to work with and just take your time and play with your dog to develop those elite skills and again other side of it I show going straight to real aggression with no toy development and having to teach the high elite exercises while being in a fully aggressive high state of emotion doing the same skills. So there's a big difference and since I'm working with this other shepherd right now it's a perfect way to show people the difference in how it looks and the outlook to dogs. So I'm going to show you some clips here and you're going to see the black German shepherd Axel he has an orange ball that I throw out there and we're doing holding next to the leg on the long line the first step of developing control and I want you to see the difference in the attitude of these two dogs who are both exactly the same age when we started these skills Axel the black shepherd was almost a year old in that in the video I'm going to show you here the clips when we started him in play protection and this other shepherd Achilles all same age about a year old and we're doing his side with no play development straight to a real aggression protection. So I want you to see the difference in the state of mind when you start two completely different pathways. So watch here and just watch the clips will be quick just watch remember the black shepherd is doing play control and Achilles the other German shepherd is in real aggression real fight mode watch the difference in the two the way they bark the way they push forward the energy so just take a look at these two dogs and the difference in the way they look sound and act Axel the black one while you do this you get a lot of talking because you get a lot of driving passion he loves that ball more than anything so but you see it's controlled easily it's not into the lines in the right where Achilles on the other hand wants me bad wants to fight me cannot control himself his mind is all over blast into the lines he popped the punk brown collar off that's how much power he's been putting into those lines to come and get after me right one is in a passionate state a play state just let me have my toy can I please have my toy but he knows he's got a bark and stay active and try to control himself on the leg to get the ball to play with it Achilles on the other hand just you challenge him at all and he thinks there's any whiff of a fight it is on right he is coming and he wants to put the fight he is in overdrive real fight drive is what we call that the fence drive fight drive and he is not playing right so and I just put up a few clips of him over the last few days to a week of with me with no equipment on this guy is coming for me whether I have equipment on or not he does not care he just wants me he wants to beat me down eat me up but that's what we want in the end on a real protection dog now we're just trying to gain control over this because we don't want out of control undisciplined protection dogs because that is a lawsuit in the making also making confused dogs of when they can use something when they can't it's all over there is no real boundaries to the game if you don't create them and make them understand the game of protection in my system is a game of absolute control it's black and white there is no gray area right that mistakes can happen I won't allow it has to be solid solid 100% on the money right on the technique control and when we tell them they can do something and they are not allowed to do something and just hold their ground until we say otherwise that is a real protection dog okay so but you see if you start in play drive and you do these things dogs are a little calmer right they can think clearer it's easier to bring them down in order for them to learn when you go straight into real aggression and you get fight it is much harder to bring them down to think clearly to learn the exercises of control because they just lose their minds and go into absolute fight mode right so it's two completely different mindsets now I have said one's not better than the other both are fine as long as you know what you're doing right so that's why you mostly see right in sport dogs I always talk about this if you see any of my shots in verse real protection dogs or anything like that I was showing shots in dogs or IPO ring sport dogs and hunting dogs in one of the videos and showing that in the sports the trainers want them calm and wait there for their reward their toy bird right decoy who's a toy shots and decoy with the sleeve on who's a toy it's the dogs are not going after man it's about playing with the suit the sleeve are going to get the duck okay it's all in prey drive I've always said in sport training it's much easier right to get a dog to learn and to control sport dogs much easier right yes you got to control the drive and adrenaline but that's why sport trainers and hunters don't give any reward to the dogs unless they're in a calm state because then it would very be very difficult for the sport trainers and hunters to deal with their dogs right because the dogs if they got emotional would be blowing out and just breaking the exercises right and the trainers would have a very hard time trying to hold them in and control them okay so that is why the sports dog protection sports hunters all want calm state before they reward and again in the protection sports they're not hunting the man they don't want to really fight the man it's about play right it's all about playing and playing with the sleeve and all that there's nothing personal to the man okay and I've explained that in the other videos I had a long video on showing the differences in the mentality and psychology of the dogs in the games and the psychology the game tries to put all the dogs to keep them down and not let them be emotional because then it's very difficult to difficult to control them so but in real protection right we need real aggression and we need real talking and we want real fight at man not going after the equipment okay so it's much harder to bring these guys down and concentrate them on holding control exercises when they're just like this I gotta fight I just want to hurt them right let me fight them okay big difference in in the emotion the energy the drive okay and the clear thinking here with the killies little bit of a problem right for us as the trainers now of him is when he came to us the trainers who do protection at their facility the canine officers dogs are great breedings are great but the training is geared a certain way without control so it's constantly shopping there and then grabbing the sleeve and playing and all that right so the longer that goes on makes my life much harder I will get it done all will be done 100% all dogs that we do is with 100% will learn the skills and control it just might take a few days more right if they're really throttled like Achilles so if you allow a dog to jump on a line and go crazy with no discipline and no control right like I said many many times before that jumping on a leash and going crazy is not protection it is not a protection dog and people sell those all the time and people think that that's real protection that's chaos that's out of control there's no skill to that and having a working dog just jump on the end of a line takes no skill whatsoever or any effort to teach they do it naturally right just bring something out that they're interested and they'll go crazy on the end of a leash and go nuts without even teaching them right there is no skill to that there is no teaching to that it's just letting a dog go crazy wild no discipline no control whatever you put in there they will go and grab don't even have to teach that either right so when you see that kind of exercise it's just chaotic nonsense that's what we call in our my system pre-protection work right that is getting a dog's energy there and just making sure they bite properly before we go put all the control on it and make a real protection dog right but by no means is a dog that jumps on a leash and does this a protection dog far from it not even close that's what we call nursery school right kindergarten dog so Achilles having this over and over and over in his career up until a year old he has learned that chaos and out of control mentality and no discipline just flying on the end of a line out of control right he will always get his reward of the bite sleep while he's in chaos and no discipline right so you're just rewarding the behavior over and over and over and over and over and over I'm just going crazy right so the dog now understands that discipline has no part of this game he doesn't need to he never has to use his mind he just has to get emotional and go crazy bring a closer right and then of course they give him the sleeve as a reward and he wins again and he now knows that all this chaos and crazy on the line and pulling on a leash and right no structure no discipline no skills gets him what he wants so now a trainer like me who gets this kind of dog goes all right if it was done temporarily you know a few weeks months fine still you're gonna have to turn it around and have to deal with this you know a little bit months to half a year to up to year that's all you know now you got to turn around his whole year of what he thinks of protection or what he knows it as just flip out chaos lunacy no discipline no control chaos there's no rules to the game it's psychotime right which is a lawsuit in the making for a person who buys a dog like this and has this kind of uncontrollable dog in society right now it gives a great dog he's not off the hook he doesn't just go bite anybody it's not like that right that's why we have him because we want the stability that he's a great family dog he's living with four children with us now right I mean he's fantastic as a personality wonderful family dog take him out no problems he's not going after everybody or anything like that it's just when he knows it's party time to do protection he cannot control himself and there are no rules no boundaries and it's on so imagine you go out in public like that and you need him eventually and he's supposed to be here and heal and you just go watch right and his watch is going to be fly off the end of the line and you're going to be going like this and having to hang on for your life because there's no rules no boundaries no discipline all you said was to alert and then the dogs fly on the handle because there is no game right no control how close was the person right so you have no control over any of that it's just a bad terrible I say lawsuit waiting to happen so that's why we have to have such control and such structure no accidents in public all as well they love people love children dogs right they're completely social balanced right no pissy stuff no growling of people for no reason or children okay anybody can pet them unless we turn them on you wouldn't see it that is the ideal protection dog so right now Achilles because he was not developed in play we have to start his structure game right now while he's in high throttle out of his mind mode wanting to eat me alive right I mean he's not playing when he's engaged with me he's coming for me right he's I mean he breaks the prom calls off he's so hard we always have an extra line on because the you know the guy is coming we have to have extra things for security right because he had no development of structure up until he came to me and I'll show it over the next week very quickly we'll have Achilles down perfect off the leash biting when he's supposed to all will be well right it's just we need maybe a few days extra to bring that throttle down and teach that structure so yeah this is big difference between the two okay and on my instructional video again I show many dogs shepherds rut wallers right boxer all starting their real protection game and real aggression from the beginning on how to hold and circle and walk backwards and all those things right in real aggression there was no play development on any of those dogs but it is much easier again if you do it the way I did it with Axel the black German Shepherd with the ball getting to real aggression makes it so much easier right now you're just fine tuning and very quickly I have an elite protection dog that don't need leashes for I mean so giving you there because a lot of people are not aware I get emails all week long from all over the world that they just want to kick in to protection mode and get their dogs really protection trait okay not understanding that there's a difference and prep work right makes a difference so another episode of coffee with Richard so till next time I'm Richard Hines Miami-Dogsburg