 Run it up. Run it back. Run it up. Run it back. Run it back. Run it up. Good morning, our first Friday. Run it back. Everyone but Lou is sick of the dog these days. I don't know what Lou's immune system is the best one, but we're going to get through it. Shams is not here because of course he's on his way to Indianapolis for all star festivities. But we did have a couple of games last night. Boy, did we have a couple of games last night, and I can't wait to get into both of them. Warriors. You're up first. You beat the jazz 140 137. The big story in this one. Clay Thompson coming off of the bench. First time doing that since 2012. He had 35 points. Dream on 23 55 and four steals. Curry only had to do 16 points, y'all. There you go. Sex in with 35 and nine. But the Clay Thompson part of the story is really where we want to focus. Um, he had a great night, and this is the night we were hoping to see from him for such a long time now. Is this angry clay because he was benched? Like what? Why do we interpret this particular night for Clay Thompson, Chandler? He's definitely not happy, but a lot of guys that go through this at the end of their career. Now am I going to sit here and say at 35 because he came off the bench to prove Kerr like he still has some left in the tank? I don't think that's the case. I still think he has something in the tank, and I still think he can still provide nights like this where he can get hot and he can shoot, you know, very, very effective from the three. He's still tall. He still moves off screens pretty well. He's just not the same player he once was, but that's okay. But it is. It's looking like a good move now because angry or not. This is the best game he's had in a long time. So kudos to Kerr for basically being at rock bottom changing up, you know, pretty much everything. And now this is kind of the last move. Like, okay, Clay, and big respect for him, too, because he could have witnessed the show. He could have been pissed off. He could have been passive. I seen guys go off the bench, turned down open shots, act like an asshole, not, you know, not played their normal game. He did the ups. You know, he got hot early and he continued to ride that. And he's a huge part of why they won this game. So I don't think it's going to change. I think he's going to stay there now. And they listen, they got to win, which barely because John Collins had a horrible turnover at the end of the game. They still could have lost this game. But this is a huge step for Clay Thompson, his progression to show everybody put everyone on notice like, look, I'm still capable. Yeah, I don't I don't know what to make it is because, you know, it's it's weird. They were playing well. They were in a good position, playing the better basketball that they have been throughout the course of this season. And, you know, you put Clay on the bench and he comes out with one of his best games of the season. So I don't know whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. What I do know is Clay shot the hell out of the ball last night. And this is the first time we've seen a glimpse of him looking like the Clay Thompson of old that we've got accustomed to seeing on the basketball court. So I don't like this move, but it worked. And so I really don't know what to make of it. So I guess we just keep our minds open and see what happens. You don't. OK, so let's let's hold on to that thought because you don't like the move because Clay, of course, was asked about coming off the bench. Here he is afterwards. Found out this morning. I mean, Steve had a good talk about it. And you know, you could do two things. You can pout or you can go out there and respond. And I thought I did the latter very well tonight. Especially no turnovers and missed a few boxouts, though. But more importantly, I realized I'm going to play a ton of minutes, so he's got to let the ego go when you think of coming off the bench and all that. So, I mean, I thought about Mono Ginobi. That guy has four rings and gold medal, and he came off the bench his whole career. And I don't think anyone looks down on his hall of fame candidacy. He's one of the greats. And I thought I mean, I embraced it before tip. And I mean, I deserved it really. I didn't didn't respond to the not playing at the end of the game well last night. I kind of took it out on the assistant coaches and I apologize to those guys before the game. And I think that really let my guard down. Let me just be myself out there. I do love a long clay Thompson sound bite. That's a it's very honest. So Lou, there's his take on the assignment and you already said that you don't love it. So why not? If it works, if it works, it works. But listen, after after hearing his response, give him credit. This is this is very professional, very mature and very much clay like. So I'm happy that he's embracing everything, the good, the bad, the ugly. He realized he is in plan is best basketball. He's not in favor of the decision. But at the end of the day, he's trusting his coaching. He's trusting his organization to put him in a position to be successful and give them the best opportunity that's needed for them to give themselves another opportunity to make a playoff run. And so this was the very mature, very professional response that we would expect out of clay Thompson. And at the same time, he's expressed his frustrations, you know, he's saying it's not perfect. This is not ideal for me, but I'm going to embrace it. I'm going to make the best out of it. And, you know, he drew inspiration from Manu Jnobli. And he's he's very right. You know, nobody has frowned upon the career that Manu Jnobli has been able to put together for himself. But you know, Clay, this is only game one for you. You know, this is this is a this is only game one. You know, you got a lot. You got a lot more. It's going to get different. You know, I don't I don't know if he's going to come off the bench and have 35s every night. He's going to have his ups and downs. But, you know, the hardest part of that journey is going to be him embracing that position and trying to make the best of it. And it seems like he's off to a good start with that. You think he was the one that brought up Manu? Or you think Steve Kerr brought up Manu in the talk they had? That's that definitely was a coach thing. That definitely was a coach thing. You know, one of those one of those coach isms to get you to one of those coach isms to get you to buy in and and give you a great example. You know, it's it's a lot of guys that he can make that example that it didn't go their way. So to pull Manu Jnobli out of the blue, I think this is a Steve Kerr thing. I kind of love that. Chandler, you liked it. You you were a happy to clap claps. Well, I just think that was quite possibly the best thing he could say, whether he means it or not. That was a classy, classy, mature move. Like Lou said, he said all the right things. He got his point across that. Yeah, he's not happy. But at the same time, he doesn't deserve to, you know, to start right now. And by the way, this doesn't grant him the guarantee to even play at the end of games every night, but he just it doesn't matter. It's Steve Kerr is now in a box with this team and he's got to try different things. It would be psycho for him to keep doing the same thing over and over again, just riding these old guys because of their resume and not because the production that they're given this year. So I think it's an all around good move. And Lou just said it, too, is he going to do this every single night? Like I doubt it, but it's a great start. I bet he feels a lot better this morning after, you know, having 35 and a win than playing awful and being benched at the end of the game. So this is a great start to kind of his second life. And look what this did to Russell Westbrook. Look, you know, Mello had to go a lot of Hall of Fame type guys have to make this transition at some point. So he seemed to be handling it with the utmost class. He's got a couple of days off to just chill. You mentioned the John Collins pass, the errant pass. Somebody take me through what exactly happens here. How does this happen? I mean, I think I think he just he just kind of got pressed a little bit. It's he was double triple team. First of all, he had a great offensive rebound to even keep the possession alive here. He probably should have kicked out to Sexton there, you know, early. But I love what Colin Sexton did here too. You know, the guys had an up and down career, but he goes right up to him. He supports him. He puts his chin up. And that's what a great teammate should do. But you can't fault John Collins for this because without his offensive rebound, they're not even in this situation. But yeah, I bet he wants that pass. I bet he wants that pass back just to get a look to possibly win the game. Who are you laughing? Because it's one of those is it's one of those things. Time is score. If you look at that clip, you show it shows when he gets that ball, he has his head down. I'm sure he feels pressure. He's listening. He can hear the crowd. He can hear the anxiety going up. He probably doesn't know where that clock is. It looked like he just panicked and throw a bad pass. All right, we'll leave him alone for that. We'll move on to another team that I don't know what's going on here. Bucks, Grizzlies, Yikes, the Grizzlies, massive upset this one. Bucks were 14 point favorites and the Grizzlies win this. They have five of their starters missing. And I don't know what to say about this this Bucks team right now. But is this is this rock bottom for this team, Lou? No, it's not rock bottom. There's a lot of basketball left to be played. But man, they got it. They got to figure it out. I actually watched this game last night and I looked over to my friend and it was about seven minutes left. And I looked at him. I said the way this game is going, the Bucks are going to win this game because they're going to they're going to turn into who they are. And the Memphis Grizzlies are going to turn into who they are. And I was and I was wrong on both ends. The Memphis Grizzlies, they played like the more hungry, better basketball team. And the Bucks kind of looked disheveled. They didn't know what to do on the offensive end. And defensively, they're still struggling. You know, Memphis was scoring that wheel doing whatever they wanted to do on the offensive end. And I think that hurt the Bucks coming down to stretch it at stretch of that game. Now on the flip side of that, what we're also seeing is we're seeing a young basketball team giving the guys an opportunity to play that they're playing with house money. There's no pressure on them to be successful. They're expected to lose a lot of these games. So they're going out there. They're playing free. They're playing relaxed. And those are the most dangerous teams you can play when you're playing against a carefree team. When they don't care about turnovers, they don't care about doing the right things. They don't care about shot selection. You're going to run into a you're going to run into a wall because those are the most dangerous type of guys to play against. I mean, walk experience that last night. I think they took took their opponent a little bit lightly and they paid the cost. It's crazy to me that they'd be taking anybody lightly because in case you're not keeping track, the Bucks are three and seven since they made the big coaching change. So Chandler, I don't know. Is this a dock rivers problem? Is this a moment where maybe they're making they're having regrets about changing coaches? Where should the Bucks be right now? I think it's just kind of a collective thing here where the guys aren't playing very well. Doc's not making the adjustments as quick as they'd like. But the worst thing that can happen here is that doubt sneaks in, right? Like now the players should we have fired Griffin? Do we like Doc? Is he the right guy? Was it our fault? So as a loss like this, the end of the world? No, like Lou said, this is this is a team with no pressure against the team with all the pressure. And this is the biggest trap game of the year. Every game I ever played in the day before All-Star Weekend, I was mentally gone, right? Like I was playing with but I would move my crew was ready. We were going straight from the game playing to Cabo like this. So this game was a trap game. But but yeah, it's it's not how they start. I think All-Star Weekend's coming at the perfect time for them. Let them get away from a little bit. Let Doc get his feet wet. Let him get comfortable. And I don't think it's time to panic quite yet. But this isn't exactly the start that they were hoping for with that much talent and this much, you know, you know, change that quick after that small amount of games. You don't want to see three and seven in your first 10 games. No, and it does suck to have a chance. Chandler, let me let me ask you this, though, because again, All-Star Break is coming. This is a great opportunity for Doc to kind of sit down with his coaches, get an opportunity to get, like you said, get his feet under him, start putting in some of his system stuff. But he's coaching All-Star game. So he has responsibilities as well. So when do they get an opportunity to try to get on the same page? Well, thankful for him. All-Star Weekend's a lot longer now. It's like eight days long or something ridiculous. But yeah, you're right. And that alone, I feel like he feels silly. He's already commented on that. Like maybe he'll send his staff, someone else to do it because that that's probably the funkiest thing I've ever seen in the NBA. This doesn't even make sense. And especially now with how it looks after 10 games that he's the coach. But again, like this is it's coming at the perfect time because this team just needs to take a deep breath, realize that they have enough for what it takes. Things aren't going their way just like the Clippers when they made a big adjustment. They made a big trade. So there's light at the end of the tunnel. But yeah, that's you're right. That that sucks. He's on a plane to Indiana right now instead of bunker and down there and figuring some shit out. I'm OK. So you guys touched on the fact that it's a trap game and people are mentally there. So I want to play the dock river sound here. But really, I want your reaction on the other side about how it hits with players because it's one thing to think you've already mentally checked out. It's another thing for your coach to say it. Here's Doc. First play we gamble for the 50th time in the corner. Guy drives. We have to help leads to a three. We come back in this on our set. Two guys forget what we're running. Then we missed the shot and then nobody gets back. That's how we start out the third quarter. That tells you all you need to know about where our heads were. You know, we had some guys here and we had some guys in Kabul. Does that bother anyone or they just like, yep, he's right. No, no, this is the this is the norm. This is like Chandler just mentioned. If you're not an all star guy, jets are booked, flights are booked, hotels are booked. You've been planning for this for weeks now and you're two and a half hours away from freedom for the next seven days to go find some sun, go do whatever it is that you want to do and just take your mini vacation. And then this is this is one of those games. It takes great leadership. Usually one of your leaders is going to come in and say, hey, for two and a half hours, let's lock in. Let's do the work and then we can go on about our business and everybody go their separate ways and go have a hell of a time. But for the next two and a half hours, let's lock in. Leadership was supposed to check that before this game because this is a trap game, especially on the road. I guarantee you half of those guys that can afford it, they flew directly from Memphis to wherever they were going. They didn't get back on that plane to Milwaukee to go to vacation. They're leaving from Memphis, Tennessee. So they had these plans already and you get excited. Guys start talking. This is natural. You get in the locker room. Hey, where are you going? What you got planned? This and that. So half of your mind, half of your mentality is somewhere else. This is natural. And this is human nature. So somebody was supposed to check that in the locker room and it looked like it didn't happen. Yeah, and you're right. Look, this is an older team. This is a maturity. This isn't the thunder we're talking about. This is this falls on Dame. This falls on Yanis. This falls on, you know, Brook Lopez, J Crowder. Everyone on that team that's a critical piece of that team has been in multiple of these games. So you're right. As much as it does fall on Doc to make the proper adjustments, this is a this is a extremely irresponsible letdown from this entire team. And Doc's not just saying that at the press conference. He definitely said that in the locker room after the game. He definitely was emphasizing that during the games. I don't think the team was caught astray by Doc saying that. But this is this is a this is a problem because Lou's right. This is this is just a maturity thing. You can you can focus for three hours and then go to Cabo for six days. Like handle your business first. And they didn't in this league. It doesn't matter like Memphis banged up what those kids are still talented enough to go and get a win against a good team. That's exactly what happened. It's an exciting win for them. Look, the Bucks are only a game and a half up on the Knicks right now. We've been saying I don't know about those in the East. Are they the third best team in the East, Lou? I still think they're in the top four talent wins basketball games in the league. They have a ton of talent. I still think they're one of the top teams. I still think they get out of this have gone into the playoffs with home court advantage. They're trying to figure it out right now. They're on a little slide but still stand pat at three. So we can't really panic. I don't think they've hit rock bottom. I think they figured this out. I've shared the locker room with a lot of these guys. They just added Danilo Gallinari, who's going to be a great addition to them when healthy went on the floor. They got a ton of guys out there that know how to play the game of basketball and they're going to flip the switch on. I'm not really concerned about this. I think they still put themselves in a great position coming out of the break. Yeah, I think by this I can't take that. I can't take the Cavs over them in a series. I can't take the Knicks over them. You know what I mean? So I still think they're the second best team with everything that's happened. Whoa. So when we're talking the small sample sizes last 10 games, yeah, they look fertile. I would take anybody over them. But when you look at the rest of the season, there's still 30 or so games. You know, they still have this guys on their team. They still have two All-Stars. They still have a deep team. They still have the potential. I still have not taken any of those teams over them in a seven game series. I just I can't. Not yet. Not yet. Can we talk Grizzlies for one second because they are playing with a bunch of guys that I would assume most people have never heard of. And yet they come out and have a win like this. How valuable is it sometimes to be on a team that really just has absolutely nothing to lose, Chandler? It's huge. These guys are playing for contracts. They're playing for food. Like they're playing to stick around in the NBA. And this is an awesome opportunity for guys like Williams and El Dama. Good win. You're right. Gigi Jackson. He had 27 points. I've heard about him one other time, but the season when he went off against somebody, I think the Warriors. So they're auditioning every single night. And sometimes this is a great the door opens when you have all these guys out and these young kids are going to find themselves on the Grizzlies next year. Or somewhere else. But it's because of these games because they're playing hard. It's because they're playing good. It's because the opportunity that they're given right now. So you know Jenkins, the coach. He's not saying, look, guys, wins losses. We're trying to make the play. They're not even saying it. They're just going out there. And they're saying play hard as hell. Play unselfish and do what you do. And that's exactly what they're doing. And that alone is going to translate to some wins in this league. And you can see on paper, they have no business winning this game. So I'm happy for them because these kids are getting an opportunity to showcase that. A lot of guys don't ever get and end up in Europe and or end up retired and doing something else. So this is a great opportunity for these kids. Good for them. That was a big win. And you could tell by the way they were celebrating afterwards. Shall we take a look around the league because we had some history that was being made last night? Caitlin Clark, of course, breaking the NCAA Women's Hoops record scoring 35-28. That's 3,528 points. A career high 49. I think she only needed eight when the game started to grab the record. But why go for eight when you can get 49? She also had a record-breaking three-pointer from the logo. How impressive is she, guys? Seriously, let's talk about this for a second. Lou, you first. Best college basketball player in the game. Men's and women. She's just the best. She's proven it year after year. Hadn't won that big game. She's ran into some walls there. But individually, she's one of the most impressive women's basketball players I've ever seen. And it's just amazing to watch. It's amazing to just be a fan of her and as a coach of women's basketball. And I know how much my girls look up to her. I know how much they watch her play. And so for her to be setting these type of examples and being this inspirational, it does wonders for my girls and women's basketball as a whole. Yeah, I'll tell you this. For people that don't watch a lot of women's basketball, Caitlin Clark has put them on notice. I get the same feeling that I do watching Steph Curry that I get watching Caitlin Clark. It's insane. The way she can shoot the ball, the way she creates space, the range she has, it truly is a special, special talent. And watching that game last night, of course, she hits a 35 footer from the logo to break Kelsey's record here. But she's so impressive. And she's going to continue to do great things. And she's literally putting women's basketball more on the map than it's ever been because she is awesome to watch. So whether she stays or goes to the WNBA, do we think she's going to dominate WNBA? Let's just fast forward to her professional years. No. No, OK. No, not dominate. No, she's going to be a really good pro. She's going to hold her own. She's going to be a 20 point plus average type of professional. When we say dominate, you've got to understand there's women in that league that's been dominated. There's still Asia Wilson's of the world. There's still very, very good players. Sabrina Inescu, you know, there's going to be a lot of women that's going to have something to say when you talk about dominate. She will be a very, very good pro, all-star level, perennial all-star level. But when you talk about dominate, that's going to take some time. It's been some women there that's had similar impacts in college basketball that she's had and had the same impact at the professional level as well. And it took some time. And so with those examples being said, I see her being a really good pro, but dominate, I don't see that happening. You know what's crazy? Like, I love the idea of the Sabrina thing and the Steph them shooting. Yeah. I'll probably watch it. I'm tuned in. If Kayla Clark was in that, I'm 1,000% watching. And I don't know if it's actually has on me. I don't know if I just really enjoy watching her play because Sabrina has a crazy game, too. But I wish they would throw her in there, too, because she can shoot that pill. It is crazy. That's crazy that that would be a bigger draw. Interesting. Well, maybe next season we'll get to see that. We're going to take a quick break when we come back. Five-time all-star Tim Hardaway, senior, joins the show when Run It Back returns. Run it back, yeah. Run it back, run it back, run it back, run it back. That's right. He is a Hall of Famer. Five-time all-star 13-year vet Tim Hardaway, senior, joining us now. I know you are in indie. You just told us that. I didn't know I'm not cheating here. And you've done a ton of all-star games in your career. Do you have a favorite memory that stands out as we get things kicked off? Yeah, you know, one year, I suppose, had started and Magic had retired because of the situation that he was going through. And I was on a starting team. And Magic was able to play. And they said, yeah, he could play an all-star game. And I said, I would give my starting job to him. And he went out there and got MVP. He took my MVP. So yeah, that was in Orlando. So yeah, that's one of my moments that I had at the all-star game. That seems about right. And every time I see Magic, every time I see Magic, you always thank me. He said, thank you, man. I appreciate that. I say, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Tim, in five of those all-star games you played with or against Michael Jordan, in one of those games, he had a triple double, which is kind of crazy in an all-star game. What was the most impressive thing you saw him do during those all-star games? Was it the triple double or was it something else? Well, we played against Michael at least five, six times during a course of the season when I was with Miami Heat. And I played against him during the summer in Chicago, too. So nothing amazes me about Michael because I played against him so many times during a course of my career and coming out of Chicago, too. But it's just every day of him coming in, no matter what, if it's pick-up basketball, he's going to play hard. He's going to go out there and give it to you. And he's going to go out there and compete. And that's every game. I remember we was in the playoffs against Chicago Bulls. He went out that day and shot 36 holes of golf. Came in to the game that night and almost won it for him. He was like six or eight for like 30, something like that. But he almost made the two jump shots. They crawled in and out of the basket. And they almost won that game, game three. So yeah, yeah, I tell you this, he's a phenomenal player. You know, when you was on the court, you was always amazed because he was always prepared. 36 holes and then do that. All right, so there's a there's a moment when he had 50 against you when you were in Miami. And the legend is that you said something in a paper like in the newspaper. Do you remember this? Is this what happened? Did I say something? No, no, no. Yeah. That was for Sean Leonard that said something. What was said? Because I feel like you don't say anything about Michael. But Sean Leonard said something. We don't know what he said, but only thing I know Michael told Pat was contribute this ass kicking because of him, the Sean Leonard. And that's all, that's all that was said. That's all that was said. And we was like, and we come to find out that he was kind of chirping in his ear. He wasn't loud, he was just chirping in his ear. And yeah, that's what that was. It wasn't me that said anything. Okay, yeah, you know Leonard just chirping in his ear talking to him. He didn't know. He didn't know. What was that like trying to guard him, trying to stay in front of him at that time? You know, obviously the rules have changed from that time period until now, but at that time, what was it like trying to guard him? Well, he never took me outside the post. He always, because he knew if he dribbled in front of me, I would take it from him. I was good at stealing the ball from him because I count his dribbles and I saw, you know, that he didn't get down all the way. But he always posted me up and his footwork was incredible. His footwork with the right pivot foot or the left pivot foot, you could tell that he worked on that for hours and years. And his footwork was impeccable and he's had spin moves. He had, you know, jump shot, spin shot, all type of stuff. But his will to just put the ball in a basket was incredible, man. Just incredible. It seemed like any shot that he took, it was going in. I mean, if you had your hand up right in his face, it didn't matter, you know? And like I tell people today, they say, how can you see the basket? I said most guys, when they shoot, they don't see the basket because people are in front of them and jumping in front of them. It's all repetition. It's all them hundreds and thousands and millions of shots that you have taken and repetition each and every time you out there working on your game. So you know where the rim is at. If you shoot threes a thousand times, you know Chandler, you know Lou, you close your eyes and you can shoot the ball and you know that it's going in because you're gonna shot that same spot thousands and thousands of times. So that's the way he was. If you tried to guard him, if he missed, that was a win for you. Tim, this weekend, there's a lot of buzz around the dunk contest simply because Jaylen Brown is in it. And he's the first All-Star to participate in the dunk contest is 2017. Do you think he'll kind of kickstart other star players doing this like they did in the 80s and 90s like? I tell you this, he better come with some stuff. If he don't come with some stuff, the other All-Stars are not going to dunk in the dunk contest. So he better, I hope he does. And Lou, you know what I'm saying, Lou? You better, I mean, if you're gonna dunk in a dunk contest, like for instance, you know, you had Trace McGrady or you had Vince Carter that was in the All-Star game. They was and started in the All-Star game and he went out there and put on the show for the dunk contest. That's what they want to see. So Jaylen Brown, my advice to you is you better put on the show because if you don't, the guy's gonna be like, you know what? That's why I saved my legs. I need to rest. That's why I'm not in a dunk contest. Yes, he better put on the show, but I wish him well. That's what I'm worried about. Yeah, that's why we're saluting them. Yeah, that's why we're saluting them because we want guys to listen, put all of the fear aside, put on a show for the fans, even if it's not gonna be your best outing, the fans at the end of the day, they sign up for All-Star weekend. They want to see the best of the best, do the best things possible. They want to see them shoot threes and dunk and do all of those things. You know, no disrespect to none of the other guys that's well deserved. We love to see the Matt McClungs of the world and the toppings and all of these guys dunk, but we're there to see our All-Stars be the best athletes in the world. And so they just got to put some of their pride aside and just sign up for it. It's making me nervous now. I agree with you. I agree with you. I'm excited. Yeah, I hope they don't get scared because this is the step in the right direction. Tim, so we got to talk run TMC, obviously. Is that your favorite time? I know, the shirt's awesome. Is it your favorite time playing basketball? And if you guys had stayed together longer, what do you think the ceiling would have been? I had, first of all, I had great times in Golden State and with the Miami Heat. But starting off with Golden State Warriors, Chris Mullin, Mitch Richmond, run TMC, we got the Bay Area rocking, we rolling. The only thing, we had Alton Lister, when we got him as a free agent from Seattle. He came in and the first game of the preseason, he tore his Achilles. So that kind of hurt us and put us, took us back a little bit. And then, we went to the playoffs and played against the Los Angeles Lakers. We was under man because we had to have Mitch Richmond, Guard, Lottie D. Valk, and we had to gimmick and all this and all that. So, I mean, but the time there was great. We had a great buzz. We had a future there if we would have kept Mitch Richmond. And Don Nelson finally said that his worst mistake of his coaching career was trading Mitch Richmond. We had a nucleus there. And the only thing we needed was some pieces for us to fulfill and we would have went far. I think we could have contended for a championship myself. But, and I know Chris and Mitch, they think so too, if we would have stayed together. But we had something fantastic there. And, you know, it was like, when Mitch got traded, it was the beginning to the end. And that hurt us because we had a great nucleus. And we had fun playing. We knew where each other was, you know, I'm Mitch going 25, Chris Mullins going 26, I'm scoring 22 and having 10 dimes a game or 11 dimes a game. I mean, it was just remarkable basketball. And we knew, you know, how to use our other team mates to get involved and make them happy too. So we just knew how to play. And we had fun playing with each other. Yeah, Tim, you mentioned both of them, Don Nelson, Pat Riley, both legendary coaches. Did one of those guys have more of an impact on you on and off the court than the other? Or are they both are just awesome to play for? Both was awesome to play for. Both was awesome, are awesome guys on and off the court. You're talking about X's and O's, defensive wise. A lot of people don't think that Don Nelson is a defensive strategist. He is a defensive strategist. He just, he likes to gimmick. He likes to do this. He likes to do that. But he understands that if you played the defense the way you want, that he wants you to play, you can win games. All right, Pat Riley is like in your face. We're gonna play D, you're gonna get over picks. We're gonna blitz the pick and roll. There's no switching, none of that stuff. But in today's game, I think they couldn't adapt to today's game because young players are totally different now. And when you grew up, the way we grew up and how the game was played at that particular time, tough, rugged, beat you up, knock you down, being so physical, today's game, they'd be like, I don't understand it because that's the way they play too. You gotta understand Pat Riley and Don Nelson played the same way. So when we was playing, we played the same way. But man, those two, the innovators, they understand the game in and out. They always paid attention to details and that's what make them great, great coaches. Now, you know, when we break out the basketball dictionary and we look up the word crossover, your picture is gonna be right there as the example of who championed the crossover. I gotta know, how did you perfect that and who was one of your favorite victims that you call with that crossover? Well, you know, it wasn't a favorite victim. It was just, I just like to go out there and compete and like to go out there and play. It didn't matter who you were, where you were. If we was in a pickup game and I didn't know you from Adam, I'm still going to go at you the way I go at anybody else. And that's the way I was brought up. That's the way I made up. And I used to practice in a basement. My basement, I had an unfinished basement. My parents did. And we had two beams, you know, like probably about five feet apart, seven feet apart. And I used to imagine it that I'm playing in front of some guys that I wanted to play against in high school or in college. And this is what I do to them. So I'd be down there for about what? An hour to an hour and 15 minutes just dribbling the basketball in and out moves, crossover move between the legs, spin moves and just perfecting, you know, just the craft for dribbling. And so when I got out on the court, whatever I did, it wasn't new to me. I just did it in general. So if I come across your over, come in and out and put it behind my back, that's what I was practicing. And that's what made me confident to go out there and do it against you. So, you know, I didn't know I had a move like that. I just went out there and just played and competed and when I needed it, I just did it. And I'm gonna tell you this, I didn't know that I was doing it. I was just out there just hooping and trying to get myself open, get to the rim, make a play because back then, like I said before, we played in the playgrounds. It's a bunch of, it's a lot of physical activity out there. Hands pushing, shoving, grabbing, holding and in a part you can't call foul all the time. So you have to get through that and you have to devise a move to get your body around people in a box, not out the box. We was always in this little box type box and we used our shoulders to get past you to make a play. So that's how I was taught and it just took me to the next level. Looking around the league with that said, who do you think got the best handle right now? Who do you really like? Oh, you know, carry urban. No question, carry urban. I, you know, my son plays for the Dallas Mavericks and I get to watch all their games and some of the stuff that, did you see what he did? First of all, to Wambanyama, did you see him? Here we go. When he went baseline and he kind of shot it over his head and I mean over a seven foot four, seven foot five guy, that's difficult to do. That's very difficult to do. So but I, you know, carry urban is, you know, one of the best right now. You know, you got, of course, you got to put Steph Curry in there. You know, of course. But yeah, you know, I just think right now, carry urban, if you, if you're on the island with him, by yourself, it's going to be dangerous for you and it's going to be dangerous. You're going to be like, you're going to be calling for help for sure. I'm glad you mentioned your son, 11 seasons. I feel like time has flown on that one. Was there a moment, you know, I think when you're a great basketball player and your son wants to do the same thing, is there a moment where you're worried that he's not going to have the right stuff? Did you know when he did? Yes, I was worried. Yes, I was worried. And I was like, you know what? He may not have it. He may not have it. But it was an instance where he wanted to come out of college after his sophomore year. And I told him, no, you're not ready. He was upset with me for telling him the truth. And he said, what do I need to work on? And I told him what he needs to work on. And he went back and worked on it and he got himself better. And the next year after he lost in the finals to Louisville, he said, by the way, they got cheated that game, the referee cheated that game. I just want to let you all know that. But a week, a week later, two weeks later he said, dad, I'm ready. I said, yes, you are son. Yes, you are. And he just fulfilled all the boxes, dribbling, passing, shooting the ball, being a captain out there, being under control, being a leader, understanding that who to get the ball to, he's very unselfish. Sometimes I wish he had just shoot the ball and be selfish, selfish, but he's very unselfish. If he see you open, he gonna pass you the ball and say, shoot the ball and make the shot. That's the way he is. That's the way he's always going to be. And I think that the Dallas Mavericks, I want them to run some more catching shoots for him. Some floppy, just like you, Lou. A score, a jump shot shooter needs to get that ball. They need to have offense ran for them so they go out there and feel like they in the game. Him just being in the corner, just sitting there. That's not him. He needs to be in the game. He needs to be moving. And I wish they'd run more and more and more movement for him, floppies, a couple of staggers form and just move him a little bit more to get him in a Florida game. So, but he's out there, he's having fun. He's enjoying himself and he's doing what I want him to do and he wants it doing. I'm very happy for him. I love just watching him play. I have a joy. Every time I'm there, watching him in person, I'm just in another world. Tim, earlier this year, he actually passed you on the all-time three-point leaderboard. What was that moment like, obviously, as a father to see that happen? I'm gonna tell you this, if we shot threes, like they shoot threes, that he would have never caught me. He would have never caught me. But, you know, if you want somebody to break your records, you want it to be your son. You know, you want it to be your son to go out there and break your records. But the thing is, is hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Jr. Senior, is still in the books. That's all that matters. So. Perfect. That's fire, man. That's so fire. Tim, Jr., he's one of the favorites to be in the sixth man of the year conversation. Why are we on the show? Make a case for why he should have it. Why, well, you know, he comes off the bench. He's a lethal factor on their team. At times when they, definitely when they need a boost, they go to him, they run off in his form, and he makes shots and he makes plays. You know, just like you, Lou, when you came off the bench, you could see the game and you understood what you need to do and how you need to do it. You know what? We not getting to the free throw line. I got to get to the free throw line. You know what? They not guard, they not coming off. They not getting over the screen. They going under the screen. So I get my rhythm shooting at three. You always had that little, what you call it, one or two dribble going left and hitting your guy and shooting and getting a foul, which I was like, that's not a foul, Lou. But anyway, the reps called it for you because you worked on that and the reps gave it to you. And we knew it's just like Dale Curry. Don't let him dribble one left. If he dribble that left hand one time, it's going in. So make him go right. So yeah, we knew that, but yeah, his case is, I want them to run more offense for him. When he runs, when they run more offense for him, it helps them as a team be a better team, but it helps him to be involved in more stuff that they saying that his team needs. And they don't have to rely on Luca and Kairi for everything on offense. Last question and y'all's prime. I know y'all games and the styles are, you have some similarities. Obviously that's your son, but you guys play different. And y'all primes one on one. Who doing what? Ooh. Oh, I'm killing him. I'm killing him, I'm killing him. I'm going to make him move them feet. I'm going to make him take them ankles up. I'm going to make him move. I'm going to have him touching them more. Come on, Lou. Come on, Lou. That's what I wanted to get. That's what I wanted to hear. That's all I wanted. He had to ask. Yeah, I'm going to bag him up. You know, and Jews all my back and jump hook him to death. All that stuff. Yeah. Poor guy. Tim Hardaway, senior. This has been a pleasure. Thank you so much for the time. Enjoy All-Star Weekend. We will all be watching Slam Dunk Contest. Come on, stars. We'll be back with some more running back. Y'all doing a great job. Keep up great work. Keep giving people information about everything. And thanks for having me on. I appreciate you all. Thank you. Thank you so much. We appreciate that. We'll be right back. Yes, sir. Like a running back. You know, all over the map because you make a clap. All right. All-Star Weekend bets. We're just going to go around our three-point contest picks, Chandler. Should I remind everyone who's in it? Damian Lillard, Halliburton, Trey Young, Malik Beasley, Jalen Brunson, Carl Anthony Towns, Mark Innan, and Donovan Mitchell. Go. I got to go Damian Lillard. I think he's the best shooter in this contest. I think it's just a walk in the park for him. Just another day. I think he's straight cash. Give me him at a plus 390. Really good odds. Could be better odds. I'm rolling. Yeah, I'm rolling Malik Beasley. Malik Beasley, he petitioned to get himself in this. This is something that he wanted. So he's motivated, and he's shooting the highest percentage. Give me Malik Beasley. I thought I was being cute when I picked Malik Beasley. I was like, oh, I'm going to get them. Lou had already done it. So I'm like, all right, I have Malik Beasley as well. I think he's just going to be a surprise for some people. So there you go. The odds on that moving on to the three-point contest. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Sabrina and Steph, three-point challenge. Chandler? I'm actually more excited about this than the other one. I know. I got to go Steph. It's the best shooter of all time. Now, if it was Hurricane, some of these other cats in the three-point contest, maybe my answer would be different. But we're talking of shooting the best shooter of all time. I'm not picking Steph Curry. I wanted to pick Sabrina so bad and be controversial and go that way. However, Steph Curry is the best shooter we've ever seen in our entire lives. Let's be realistic here. It's the reason he's negative 230 in odds. Steph Curry. Well, as the only woman here, I feel like the ass because I also am picking Steph Curry, only because I think he's angry and frustrated and he's coming out on fire by the season. Oh, I'm a bad feminist. This is about good versus great, not men versus women. Look, I hope we're wrong. I'll put it that way. All right, the Slam Dunk Contest. You guys know the entrance. There are Mack McClung, Jalen Brown, Jaime Hakez, and Mr. Toppin. Chandler, who you got? Yeah, I can't unsee what I saw last year. And so I got to go with a friend of the show. I got to go Mack McClung. This is what he's put on earth to do. So he's not playing in the NBA. He's not dunking an NBA game. So I think he's got a whole deep bag of things. This is his calling. Yeah, we've never seen the shit this kid's about to do. And we want to see him do it again. What are you laughing at? It's his calling. You just always take it too far, Chandler. You just always take it too far. We've seen Jalen Brown dunk. We've seen Jaime Hakez. We haven't seen much to the top and do. But this guy, he's got something that we've never seen. I mean, it's a good argument, I think. I picked Mack McClung. Let's keep moving. Oh, you don't have a bunch of poetry you want to put with it? Like Chandler did? No, I got nois. He's going to say riddle. You know what I'm saying, riddle? It's an angel put on earth to dunk. OK, fine. All right, I'm doing Jalen Brown simply because I'm trying to manifest the stars moving forward. So that's really where my guts are going with this one. But I don't know. All right, skills competition. This is going to be a fun one. You know the drill. It's a, wait, how's it break down again? It's the number one picks. Team Indiana. And what's the third one? All stars, just random all stars. OK, let's go. Team all stars, yeah. Yeah. I'm going with the home cooking here. I think there's going to be obviously more Pacer fans in that arena than other fans. I think they have the chemistry. They play every day together. These other guys, the rookies, the all stars, they don't play together. Simple logic. Give me the Pacers at plus 190. Man, Lou and I are going to be so right across the board. Are we keeping track of these? We better be keeping track of these. Yeah, the last I checked the skills competition, there's no teamwork. Everybody goes on their own thing and they add all the points up. So that logic doesn't help at all. So I'm going with team number one picks. I'm going with Wimby. Banchero and Edwards to win this skills competition. Same. Those names alone, just for sheer entertainment. I am taking the top pick. So there you go. Lou and I are on the same page. But last but not least it right here, the actual game itself, East versus West. Chandler, who you got? OK. I. Do you remember? I picked East and I picked Giannis. I feel like every year when I watch an All-Star game, Giannis is the only dude playing hard as shit. He's going to transition. He's like crashing the offense of glass. No one boxes out. So I feel like Giannis is going to put up 30, 40 points. So give me the East. I think they're going to win the game. Giannis takes home the MVP just because he cares more. I think he wants it. No one else cares. OK, OK. If memory serves me correct, Anthony Edwards was a snub last year and he was pissed off. He's in the game this year. And Edwards for MVP, even though he's coming off the bench. And Edwards for MVP. I'm going East and I'm going hometown love, Halliburton for All-Star. This is good. At least we finally have one where we all disagree on the MVP side of things. Good luck to us all. We have a schedule change for next week. We're an hour later each and every day, Monday through Friday. Things are changing in our worlds, guys. Enjoy your weekend. Enjoy the All-Star Chandler Hydrate.