 Now, the essence, too, is to be looked at closely by affirming this who released the mind from overvaluating its own learning device and restore the mind to its true position as a learner. Well, that learning device, I guess what that is, the body gets highly overrated. Look at the skills the body has, look at all these things I've spent years developing. The mind seems that way. It seems like when you work on a golf stroke or tennis stroke, it can seem as if it somehow is in the body and in the brain at times. But again, the body is just a learning device. It wasn't meant from over-evaluating. Raising it up, making it more than it is. But evaluating to me means analyzing it. Evaluating value, the word value. But this is talking about putting value on it then. Overvaluing. Okay, not evaluating. We had a whole discussion last night about, I got a little pen and a pencil and I was saying the body is kind of like a pencil. And, you know, I went through the whole deal about saying, you know, because if you took a test and said, the reason I liked this test was because you did a terrible job, you know. Get better than, I'll do better on the test, it would seem foolish to blame a pencil or a pen for failing a multiple-choice test. Or to command and congratulate the pen if you did well. Right. And yet, that's exactly what happens when the body and its skills and seemingly abilities are raised up as if they're real important. Or criticized. So that's what's meaning by evaluating. And there's no order of difficulty, but if we're looking at things, those are the things that probably start to surface like, I worked long and hard, Jesus, to develop this belly or that ability or do it with the body. And again, bodies don't learn lessons. Our nations, you know, you pick it up, you lay it down, you pick it up, you lay it down. You know, you use the body, but what is that which uses it? The body is just a device for learning. It's not the thing that is learning. The mind is learning. So again, this is very subtle, but I've had people work with the course and they'll say, well, I'm going to stay in my particular job because that's my classroom. I'm going to leave this job until, because it's my classroom. Or a defense could be used for the ego to say, I'm a mother and that's my classroom. And I could get that lesson in that classroom. Because I want their questions. Right, you see, that's what's underneath it. So I'm not going to leave that classroom because I need to get the lesson in that classroom. But that's still seeing it as if I'm a person in the classroom. And when one seems to be guided to move on, again, it would be coming from a place of seeing, yes, this, the mind is really the classroom. Right mind is one lesson of the classroom and wrong mind is another lesson. And which lesson am I going to learn? It doesn't, it takes the emphasis upon off the body being in a specific setting. Because the body and the setting are both on the screen. And the mind is the learner and the mind is where the lesson is. So if you just keep that clear, then you don't get into all this trying to twist and distort things like you're saying so that you can hang on to something specific that you like. And nothing in the world is the teacher. The world is not the teacher. The teacher is either the Holy Spirit or the ego depending on which one I choose as teacher. Coming through the relationship. Isn't that what you're saying? So why would it matter whether you were at home with children or whether you were in a job or where you were? If you were open-minded, right-minded, it seems like you could learn anywhere. The circumstance wouldn't matter. Again, there's a lot of assumptions in your statements. You're talking about right-mindedness and then you're saying, why would it matter if you were in this circumstance or in that circumstance? We see the mind is an in-circumstance. It has concepts. For instance, if it believed it was a mother, that's a concept. That has to be questioned. The right mind is free of the concept. So, again, that's the thing that goes on. A lot of times people will say it doesn't matter. You can still be an American and wake up. You can still be a mother and wake up. You can still be a man or a woman and still be a chief executive officer of a corporation and wake up. You really start to follow it in. Those are concepts that have to be unlearned because the mind isn't in those things. Those are concepts that it has made up. It believes that it... Oh, it is one of those. Yes, you see how that's wrong-mindedness to believe you are in a situation. To identify with any one of those things that David named would be... not to wake up, would be to be wrong-minded. That was a question to ask, because I think Emmanuel one time channeled through him, and they said, how... I want to achieve enlightenment, but how will I achieve enlightenment and remain as chief executive officer of this corporation? And Emmanuel said, you won't. Just kind of real direct. He didn't feed around the bush. And that's the same kind of thing we're saying. He said, instead of just saying you won't, just looking at the metaphysics of how it would be impossible to conceive of yourself in a small role and be... Magnificent. And once the mind steps back from that and no longer identifies with the role, then it couldn't play the game as if it still identified with the role. It couldn't pretend that it did when it didn't. That would be a lack of integrity and would not be the honesty that's characteristic of a teacher of God. So isn't there a part that you almost need to do basically what you've done and extricate yourself from those attachments on some level? Maybe not necessarily physical maybe, but... Yeah, it might be a need for way up, but not informed. It's all in the mind. Yeah. But I'm just saying... Right. To be honest with yourself, it would be to extricate yourself from those circumstances right now. What would be the circumstances? It would be the beliefs. Right. And then what would it happen? I don't know you're doing that though. If you're still playing those roles, how do you know you're not seeing yourself like you're saying? It would be like this. And again, even that way, it wouldn't be a sense of playing the role. Right. It could be perceived all kinds of ways. I mean, Jesus was perceived in many ways. But again, we're coming to that internal kind of sense of being, of having questioned all the roles and concepts and taking on one concept, forgiveness. One box. Yes, here I'm a wife and I work here and I do this and I'm, oh, in church, I'm a deacon and I'm a Republican. And I'm, you know... American? Yeah. All these things over here, it's like saying, well, I'm going to trade in all these boxes and all these different hats, so to speak, for forgiveness. Because there will seem to be changes on the screen that will automatically come when that happens. It would be a scam to try to... Try to hold onto all those things. How could you put the energy so you're a real devoted politician or politically involved in something? You know, because you have to weigh that again. You know, how could you give that relevance? I mean, just be... Symbolically, in my life, or in the life of David again, to get back to that story, the life of David, it was, when I was seemed to be in graduate school and everything, it had a question to all these disciplines and it was questioning the sense of education and everything else, that it got to be a point where I was like, when I was seeing beyond the game and I was writing the exam, it was more difficult to put down the answers that I thought someone else wanted to hear. I started to mourn more to put down the answers and it got to be a point where it was like, well, I've questioned the system now and I don't know how I'm to be used, but I can't continue to proceed myself in the system. And it wasn't like you bolted and you said, I feel, you know, it seems appropriate I should be in school, but because I'm being called, I'm going to leave. You were feeling a discomfort with being in school years like you were being called and it wasn't making sense anymore to write those answers on exams. It's that whole thing of seeing, when you start to see beyond something and you can't go back up there above those underlying assumptions and try to be something you're not. I tried to fit the round peg into the square hole for a long time and I said, this is nuts and the little voice inside was saying, right, come on, keep coming back. Come to me. And so that's just another one of those examples. I think all of us have had, that's not a unique experience. We've all had that in certain things, that seem to be relationships or, you know, in certain things where it's just not felt... For me, what it felt natural to do was to drop all activities because it was the social activities. Monday night, every Monday night for 20 years, I played Mahjong with the girls. We'd go, we'd eat, we'd talk, we'd chat. And the chatting wasn't what I wanted to chat about. I would have loved to have gone deeper. That was irrelevant to them and it would have been arrogant to even try in that situation. So it just felt comfortable to get out of a situation I'd been in for 20 years and bunko, you know, another social situation. And then it became contracts that I thought I needed and everything, I, you know, it was driving everything off my calendar and then just beginning to just pick up and leave to go to a trailer or leave to come here, you know, and leave the family and with some wondering about why I'm leaving again with the answer saying, I'm being called. This is something I have to do, you know. So, but those things aren't, they're not feeling uncomfortable. They're feeling very appropriate. And there's no conflict there about leaving those things. Now, the people around, all those people around, there's lots of conflict going on. They think I've gone over to the event. They're very worried about me, very concerned. You know, my brother at two o'clock in the morning the other night took my face and went, be merry for a minute, be merry. He was shaking me and I'm just looking at him, you know, and I'm going, oh my God, this is what everybody is wanting. You know, so it's, out there there's discomfort but it's not, that's not my discomfort. Becca, I think, you know, what you were, what I heard, at least, that you were beginning to say to Rhonda about maybe making some kind of move that would allow the time and space to really examine. Right. And I think there's something to that, you know, and it's symbolic, granted that it's symbolic. And it's symbolic of the mind's willingness to really dedicate itself and to really put the attention where it really wants it to be. In other words, in Rhonda's case, moving to Cincinnati, you know, isn't, that isn't the utopia or the place that you need to go, you know, or whatever. There is no place, but again, it's symbolic, as Beverly was just saying, of that willingness. It seems to be taking the form of some body's... Sounds like you're saying you do have to give up these other things, you know, jobs and seeing yourself as a mother or a wife or a daughter, whatever, and go apart from that. Yeah, I'm saying to give up your attachments to those concepts. So if you hadn't felt you needed to go somewhere else, you might have done that previously. Oh, yeah. Thank you.