 Well, let's call me in order at 630. Are we on everything is ready. Okay. Do we have any additional agenda. I see that. Oh, oh. It's just long list of things under the addiction to those all conditions. Yeah, well that hopefully will be joining. And I think as we pray attack him onto the ends. But I emailed the select board. Well, we don't need to go through all of these now, but someone works like, but. Okay, so. Your addition is that you're in the meeting with now. That and then there's a question about the remaining. But I really don't find out, but yeah, yeah. Okay, so we'll put that in somewhere. Okay. Now the discussing planning commission candidate. Is that an addition? Yes. I just want to let myself known here. I'm here. I don't know if I was supposed to be here for that or not. Hi. Hey. And the planning commission update and the energy committee. Those are all addition. Yes. Oh, wow. Okay. Anybody else have addition. Okay. Review immense November 28. The, just on page four of the meeting schedule is for January 2. Rather than January 3. Unless it's not a regular meeting date. I don't know if you guys decided to change it, but it's either not a regular meeting date or it's January 2. Yeah, so I think I've had a written wrong on the last one. That's my phone. Okay. I noticed that it was annotated in yellow on the end of the day. Because maybe you want to reconsider that. It's a question. Yes. Holiday for you. That is, that is technically the holiday. I'm fine attending the meeting, but it's a question for the select board. So that is recognized new year's day holiday. Okay. I wanted to ask the select board if that's why it's highlighted in yellow. That was an appropriate date or if we need to revisit that. I don't see yellow on my coffee. On your head. Oh, and if we did agenda. Oh, I'm. Okay. It's not on the menu. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I noticed that. I had it. He saw my vendor. Okay. So we're taking that. And. What else is there? Well, what if folks think about keeping the date on the third, the second or the third? We're in the minutes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry about that. We're just correcting the. Little error there. So are there any other changes? I just had a question to somebody who wasn't there. The county road celebration. Talks about Larry Gilbert's contribution. Were there in, was there anything received from other people positive or negative that you guys talked about? No. Okay. No. And it's totally positive. Yeah. Yes. We're there. Nobody officially came to the meeting and said that. Yeah. Except for Larry Gilbert. I got one. Ahead of time. Negative jitters from. Yes. But they were going to be out of town. I think that it all settled. I mentioned that to Larry. And I said I was going to email him with. The person that had fretted ahead of time. I think that the fretting was over it when this happened successfully, but I'm going to email him. Okay. Anything else? I'm a minute. I'm making some motion. I mean, minutes would be adjustments. I second that. All the time. Hi. Hi. And it's a pass. Public comment. We don't really have any public here. Kind of not really. My as a can. Yeah. I don't have any comment though. Yeah, I guess we could call you public. Is that are those six windows across the top? Are they everybody? Or are there other people in the meeting that we're not aware of? Okay. Okay. So. We're a few minutes early for the presentation of FY 20, 24 capital improvement committee plan, but I think the people are all here. Don, are you presenting? Well, do you want me to present it or do you want to? Yeah, I know I'm unmuting. No, you go ahead, Don. I mean, basically it's a flat budget. So it's easy to present. It's basically, you know. But yeah, go for it. Don, why don't you come up? Anybody who want coffee. Doesn't have one. I've got a coffee. Everybody. I mean, do it here or right here is good wherever you feel possible. Oh, you want to stand. That's cool. That's good. So anyway, the. The plan that you were have with your. In my hand papers. Is virtually the same as it was before. There's one change that one place we made changes and that's on page. I believe it was just paving. And it, what we did there is. It was sitting there with all of the paving going into. The next year. And so we talked with. With Guthrie and the way it sits now is the way. He expects that it will be spent. So it's when you look in the expenses, it's just moved. The paving into a more reasonable pattern. Yeah. And. We didn't recording in progress. The. The, down at the bottom left, you'll see. We've got 175,000 per mile in the estimate. And that's. In cost. And then there's also an eight year lifespan and the cycle. Yeah. And we stayed with the eight because we wanted to wait and see what we were, what it costs us this year to spend it. And it looks like. We were the plan shows 772. And I think I was looking at it. If you looked on the back of the. The numbers that you have that. Gina gave you over 727. So that. Regrets up there. So that's even with all the extra costs we have this year. And then we had the money. And the other one was the culverts we. We had in the paid. The next page, if you look at it. We had 150,000 to go against grants. And we had to pay for it. We had to pay for it. We had to pay for the portion. And I think the town portion came out to about 185,000. Yeah. So between the two of them, we're, we're pretty close. Yeah. On your paving, it's at 187 miles. Right. Yeah. 187 per mile. Yeah. And we didn't change that. That's still in the plan. We wanted to see. How the, how it came out. We wanted to see how it came out. We wanted to see how it came out. We wanted to see how it came out. We wanted to see how it came out. We wanted to see how it came out. We wanted to see how it came out. Right. Right amount of money. Yeah. And so we can take a look this next year and look at the per mile and see if we need to make adjustments. But this year we didn't. And. The other one we can do. Is that. Some of the road we may. Extend the light. Span on like. The road is done very well. Yeah. And so. We'll talk with Guthrie and say, okay. Do we want to shorten or lengthen any of those? And that could adjust the amount. The annual amount that we put aside for that. The other topic that. We didn't. Finalize. And that's trucks. Because we didn't know. Exactly. We didn't know. What the price going you right now. Plan has. One six wheeler and three. 10 wheelers. And I, and it provides this year. That's page. I should be page seven. I think. Okay. Okay. It. We may go to another 10 wheeler. Well, we're keeping one right now. Right. Okay. You see there's one 10 wheeler that to be replaced. The cost of that in there at 175. And. Gina didn't know what the total cost may be. And she also tells me that apparently going to save. You're going to keep the old one and use it as a backup. So the question is, do you want to put any more lines in going ahead? For any. Or do you want to keep it at. The, the really the four vehicle replacement, the. Yeah, that's one six wheeler and one and the three 10 wheelers. But we're going to have four 10 wheelers. And one. Right. And that we're getting rid of a six. We have two of them. Right now. We're going to get rid of a 10 wheel and get rid of that international. So what. So there will be another line in there. I would think. Well, it depends whether you're going to replace. Now, if you're just going to maintain the, though the 10 wheeler and the six extra six wheeler or. Or just the 10 wheeler. Then that'll come out of the operational budget. So if you're not planning to replace. And have a fourth. 10 wheeler on a regular basis. Then that's, you know, that's what you have to decide. And you can tell us, I would recommend, you know, I don't think we want to make. Have you made that decision right now? But for next year. Yeah, we got to talk to. Yeah. We're going to have to see how that's going to all work out. Right. Yeah. Otherwise not as the budget is. I mean, the plan is the same as it was before. Yeah. And we didn't set any money aside for the buildings. That's right. No, no money is set aside for that or sidewalks or. Those are all things that we can talk about next year. There's a, what we want to do. If anything. And so the bottom line is that the, the funding for the plan is level. So we probably talked about this before, but I don't remember the answer. Why is inflation factors set to 0.0%? Well. When we started, we haven't had to use it. And inflation inflation and interest. It's not normal. It's pretty much offset each other up in normal times. It's not normal now. And. If we were tighter in the plan. That might be something that we want to do. The bill, the ability is built in there. And so. So let me give some input here because some of the chair of this. I'm sorry, I didn't put my hand up. I don't remember how to do this with zoom, but this was not a unanimous decision to, to level fund. We should point out the towns had some transitional stuff going on. I think we took in input from both. Michelle and Gina on this, who are just coming into the picture. So I'm going to give you some, some comments that we didn't have time to work through. Scott, we put a line item for the sidewalks. And last year and put no money into it. There is about a million dollar asset sitting on the books of the town with those sidewalks that we have no money for. And we've had the discussion that while we really don't know what the replacement value is, so we can't put a value in there. And you know, all the what ifs, it's not like buying a truck where you have a fixed, you know, that $150,000 or the $250,000. They last for 10 years. Sidewalks aren't like that. There's a ton of sunken costs into the upfront, but the reality for the town and planning for the future is that we're probably going to be liable for those sidewalks, even though most of the money was federal. So we should be planning for it. And my, my goal as the chair and as one of the representatives, I guess is to have what they call sustainable growth levels. So I did approve this because I think Gina and Michelle's input was that it's a tight operational budget this year. The capital budget has done to point it out. And in your comments, Carl, about the inflation is that the budget works pretty well. It's given us a lot of flexibility. It gives you guys a lot of flexibility. We had a $100,000 item hit this past year that wasn't in the budget. And we were able to, you know, we're able to fund it. The fire truck. So as, as it's going, it was well done budget from the beginning. It's being tweaked over time. Personally, I think the sustainable. I look at 2% growth as a sustainable thing for the town. And that would include a bunch of stuff. But the issues that came up besides the sidewalks is we know we've been talking for years about the town garage needs to be replaced. And the town hall. And we really are underfunded. If you're looking at the capital budget on both of those, they were very lean budgets, especially for the building you're sitting in. There's a few things in there that, you know, are questionable whether they should be in there, but long-term planning for the town. I think we should be looking at putting some, some money into both of those items, a small amount, because the whole point of the capital budget is if we know we're going to get hit in five years, let's say for the town garage, you're going to have a 40 or $50,000 a year bond item hit. So if we start putting money away slowly now, it's not going to be a $50,000 increase in the budget in one year. You're going to whittle away and have that money. You're going to have to borrow a lot less to do the projects. So to me, I would have liked to have seen maybe a 2% increase and put a little bit of money into both of the buildings and into the sidewalks. But I'm fine. I voted for this budget flat, you know, flatly funded. I think that was the agreement that we came to for a number of reasons, especially the operational budget being so tight this year. And you've got a whole bunch of inflationary problems that the towns dealing with. So I have no problem with this, but I'm just giving you the heads up that it was not a unanimous decision. And I think moving forward, we just, we should be aware of, of the factors that we're looking at. Yeah, follow up. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So thank you both of you for those answers. Want to go back to your part of your answer, Don, about the actual inflation in normal times, somewhat matching the interest that we earn. I don't see much in the capital plan indicating that interest is plowed back into the capital budget. Am I missing something? It is plowed back. I don't see anything in the capital plan. I don't see anything in the capital plan. You look probably on the aggregate page, page two. Yeah, I see annual interest earned and there's nothing in that line. And then I see GF transfer and interest and there's nothing in that line either. The interest, the interest has to be added in order to make the, make the. Make this the total. This total equal that total. You'll get the real total. The bulk of the town interest Carl is coming from the capital budget reserve fund. So when you allocate the interest, yeah, the interest gets allocated to the various funds is an interest allocation sheet. And I believe the capital budget gets the portion, probably the lion's share of that budget comes in. And that interest is credited to the opportunity. Right. Okay, I see that's the only place it says right here. That's the only place that I see interest noted on here. And even in this low interest time. I mean, that's like. 1% interest. On the opportunity fund itself. Yeah. But I mean, we're not, we were, we're getting one 10th of a percent of interest. I mean, all, all of last year. Yeah. Okay. It's going up substantially though now, I mean, you get notices from the banks so high and get. Yeah. For 15 months certificate and get three percent. So you should be able to get more interest in that with. See these come forward. I'm sure Michelle's keeping track of that. And we'll be rolling them over to better interest rates. Okay. So let's, let's get back to the main discussion here. Yeah. I think what we're talking about. Is that what Ed is saying is absolutely true. And that's well said, Ed. And I appreciate your insight into those. Different funds that we're talking about. We do have a lot of money in the opportunity fund. Which could go into a garage or a town building or whatever we decide to do. But I think it, I think that you're wise to leave at level funded this year. Because we do have operational costs have gone up significantly. But we do have a higher than usual rate of people not being able to pay their taxes. So we, there's a lot of pressures that we have on our budget. So I agree with you. Yeah. So if we can keep it level funded for this year, but keeping the things in mind that Ed just talked about. For next year. I think that's a wise move for the moment. We're in a holding pattern on this area of our budget. That's what we need to be. That's, that's my opinion. I agree. That's why I did vote for it, Seth. And as is, and, and also, you know, I've been able to, if you go back historically, the opportunity fund has had some increases in the last couple of years. Some of that was pushed by me to, you know, I said, we should be increasing it because. You know, there's a lot of unknowns in these budgets. But the budget has worked really well over, over it's life so far. It really has. It's good. It's with stood the paving that we did this year and that went off a lot. And we still came in okay on that. And, you know, those things are such a variable paving is a huge variable, you know, it's based on cost of oil. We don't know what's going to happen with that. So I think we're in a pretty good place on that, especially with the eight year thing because eight year. On our most of our paving is we actually are going to extend the life of most of those roads. But we're putting a significant amount of money in there based on the eight year plan, but there's a lot of roads in town that are paid. They're going to go longer than that. So we're okay on this year on this plan in my opinion. I think we're fine. Yeah. Just want to point out the future of the town looking down. We have all these things in there. I don't want to forget about them. Yeah. No, no, that's great. I mean, that's really good information. And the thing that happens with a lot of our paving, we do get grants, grants so that it reduces the cost. Yeah. And we've done well with the grants and we'll probably continue to do so. Yeah. And, and, um, Seth, just to let you know that, that your input was also the Michelle's and, uh, Gina's input at the meetings, uh, which they were thought the level funding this year was the way to go. Yeah. They've got two new people coming in and, and their input is going to be critical. So, you know, this is a good year to, you know, make sure that it's a good year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We appreciate it. And, um, we'll keep moving forward and keep an eye on all the different lines on this. And I'm sure next year we're going to have some change as well. Yeah. We'll get right at it. Yeah. Maybe it's a, it's a moving target. It is. So we know that. So thanks again. And, uh, I think we should move on to the next, um, item because we've got a gentleman here to talk to about the rights bill beach. And we don't want to delay. I'm sure he's got other commitments. Can you take a seat at the table, sir? Yeah. I believe we have our town representative for right. Bill Beach here as well. Oh, yeah. Good. Yeah. Good. All right. So this looks like a big topic in a short amount of time. Yeah. Yeah. I think we can move quickly on it. Oh, good. I don't know. I'm just going to give you a brief. Not history, but just how rights bill works. We are a special district. The prize of four member towns. You've gone earlier, middle sex, Worcester and Montpelier. All of the, those towns contribute to our budget. And we have the ability to assess the per capita. Each town. When the park was created back in 1985, the per capita was capped at 50 cents. It was subsequently increased to $1.50. And we are now seeking to increase that cap to $4. Oh, and now that, that is the reason we're trying to go to four. That's not our, our intention isn't to charge you $4 in the near future. We need to come back again. Or at least a decade. What our intention is is to increase it to $2.50 for the next fiscal year. Okay. And I can go into why we are seeking to increase that. I don't know if Kim gave you guys the handout. Oh, yeah, I don't. So, you know, the basics, just like you guys were talking about with, with roads, you know, maintenance. We, it's taken the park has gone through some really, really tight years. About 36 really tight years. At 37. But we now have a little bit of a financial cushion that we can use for the matching part of grants that we're going to apply for. And those grants would go to replacing rooms, improving the bathrooms, putting in a third picnic shelter, creating some other covered picnic areas to help people. And we're able to have their advance regardless of the weather. To continue to keep the price of admission. As low as possible and affordable to all of our residents. We don't want anybody not to be able to play outdoors because of price. And we're always looking to, you know, what we can do for current and future recreational needs. How to harden off the, we've been, we've been doing this on line number five for years, making the facility more resilient to heavy rain events, making the facility usable during heavy rain events. And we're going to expand our equipment rental fleet, which is currently boat rentals. And then we're going to keep the park open later in the season. We did a experiment with that this year where we kept the park open through. Columbus day. And it was. Really. Well received. We were busy right through the closing day. And we've opened the park three weeks earlier than in the past. And this isn't because just. An idea. It's because the demand is there. People are parking outside of our gate. And we just need to be able to. Open that gate. And we'll, we are working with. Adjacent towns and their trail network. Committees. So that's including the smart, clear trail network and across Montreux. And so the way this is all going to be possible. My, I've, I've managed right still for 22 years out of the 37. And someone told me this year that was my side hustle. It took me 1200 hours this year. My full-time job is at Norwich university. But I'm actually. This plan will enable me to leave Norwich university. And I'll be become an 85% of full-time employee for right still. Primarily to work on planning grant writing. And collaborating with. Those trail committees and seeking sponsorships. I also want to say, so I, I grew up in a small pillar. I'm a taxpayer in Montpelier. I'm not. Ribbless with my money, the town money. I'm very frugal with town money. I. Have a great. I love, I love this community. That's why I moved back here. So. The plan is. To benefit. Any questions at this point? I got a question. Seems like last, last time you were here, you were trying to get a grant from somebody. I think you were to fund your salary. State. Yeah. Did that happen? That did not happen. Yeah. We're going to go back to that same. So that's the Vorek grant. So. We will apply again to Vorek. But. Paired back a little bit. So this year, the application will be all about. Getting rental equipment. So boats. And then a boat trailer. And closed trailer. So we've. Yeah. So you are familiar with. The grant process and grant writing process and the keywords to use when you're applying for grants. So I. Applied money. No, that doesn't work. I put a little bit about myself. So in my job at Norwich, I applied for the same grant. And we got $120,000. You did. We previously seen $35,000 in grants. Yeah. We're planning for another $35,000 event this year. I received BGS grants at Wright still. Yeah. So you receive. The system green mountain United Way. Yeah. Yes. I'm, I'm familiar with grant writing. Yeah. There's a lot of competition for those grants. Oh yeah. Well, and. Well, there's a lot of money though, they're giving away. We were pushing the scope. I mean, Phil Scott had said, think outside of the box. Yeah. So that's why I said I'm pairing it back. I can. With elements around side of the box. I'm just going to admit this time. And go with what they're more familiar with. Okay. Yeah. All right. But just. I'm not criticizing you. I'm. Period. Okay. About what happened last time, because I remember when you weren't here before. And did you get to grant? And then of course. Because I know grants are huge. Revenue stream for a lot of places right now. And what makes those successful. You know, because as my, as a farmer. You know, we're conscious that we now have to use grants as part of our revenue stream. And sometimes they're very successful and drawing those grants in. Some are not. Yeah. So that's, that's the deal. Last year was the first grant. That I didn't receive that I've applied for. Oh really? Yeah. I mean, Oh, that's, you know. Like I said, I received one. Right. Right. And I'm sure you are conscious of why they rejected the one. I followed up with them. Right. Yeah. So good. Okay. We'll move on. Yeah. Yeah. I've been on the board maybe. Four or five years. And I'm, and I'm always amazed that every year when we look at the budget and last year's actuals, we always seem to, I think because of Colin's really frugal management. We always managed to have some money left over. And it always like as a board member. It worries me a little bit because we have a rainy summer. And we might not. You know, there's always a chance that we might not be able to meet our expenses. And it's such an important resource that I also don't think like depending on grant money year to year. Like that is probably going to be part of our mix, but I feel like we need some solid. Streams of money. For a place that is so. Important to the public. More and more. I think we have a chance to meet our expenses. And it's such an important resource that I also don't think like depending on grant money year to year. I think we need more. I think we have more users every year. You know, we're extending the season every year. Management also gets complicated every year. Because of the pandemic and so forth. And so I just think, I know you're going to talk about this, but I, as a board member, I just want you to know it's, I think it's really important to have. Town buy in. And it's not a lot of money. It's a lot of money that we're talking about. We're talking about. About per person. It's, it's not a lot that we're asking for considering what rights bill. Provides our communities. Yeah. So first of all, I'm not sure we presented you for the record in the beginning. So can we say your Colin O'Neill manager of rights? Yes. And Kim Kendall town representative. And I support rights bill. I think it's a great resource for the towns in the area. for the towns in the area and I support increasing the assessment to 250 next year. I'm curious about your suggestion that you wouldn't want to come back to us for 10 years because as Kim said I think town by and is important. And I recognize that as a recreational district rights bill is different than the, you know, dozens of organizations that come to us for funding and the voters vote on for funding each year but I think it's a valuable part of town buy in for them to go through the process of coming to the town governance and saying this is what we're doing right now this is how it's benefiting the town. And this is why we would like to have this amount of money for next year so why not just increase the cap to 250 now and and you see a need going forward to increase it up towards $4 in the future come back every year to Why not. I don't have a good answer for why not just to have some flexibility so we're not coming back every year I mean I guess you know that's the bottom line. And we did come here. It was last year or two years ago just just to come and update you guys as to what we're doing, we weren't asking you for anything. I'm not. I'm not, I don't object to coming here more regularly. But I, I mean, I think we're, I think you can trust us with the $4 cap that we're not just going to jump to that. We only increase assessment as needed. And part of this plan, the reason I say $4 to keep us from having to come back for a decade is part of this plan will give me time to also seek out sponsorships. So we're having the financial burden farther afield. So right now we have for primary revenue sources, and I'd like to get sponsorships to be a fifth, and that would really slow down our need to increase that per capita that we assess each year. But it would be nice to have that flexibility built in so we're not right at that cap right on that first year. Yeah, if we were to say to you, we, we approve the 250 cap and we understand your plan to bring it up eventually at no more than 3% per year to $4 and that sounds reasonable to us given everything else that you said, but we want to hear from you each year as we go up. Would that interfere with your plans to get sponsorships or do anything else that you need to do. I mean, I think we'd be willing to make time for you in our schedule each year. I'm not certain right. So you're saying, if we approve it at 250, not at the $4 correct level. Correct. I'm not going to say no to that. But just just so you guys all are aware, you're the third town that I've gone to in this process we look at middle sex the host town first, and they approved it at the $4 cap. They approved the $4 cap and 250 for this year. Worcester has done the same. It would be great if we get all four towns to approve that $4 cap. But like I said, what we really need in the short term is the 250 based on our bylaws it's the 250 that we have to get approval from all the towns or is it the $4. Well, we said to get approval for the cap increase. Once we can assess whatever we need. Yeah, within that cap. So all four. Well, I don't. Is that going to be written up to $4 cap for 10 years? No, no, it would just be approved at $4. And then up to your discussion. Up to how many years. I mean, this year is 250. I guess, right. I mean, there's no, there's no, then next year for, I mean, yeah, there's no time span building there. Right. Okay. It just gives a flexibility. They need it. For this year, and then next year, but they assume it. We're assuming they said about a 3% raise per year. Oh, captain. That's adding it on. It's not a calculation and everything else up to them. The way they're presenting. Right. But the intention is to not increase it at all. After the 250 for a few years. I mean, that's where the sponsorships will come in. Yeah, in the grants. Right. It's, I just don't want to be, I don't want to say that we're, you know, guaranteeing that. Yeah, you know, our intention is in no year would increase it by more than 3%. You know, just like with the roads, you guys know that there's unforeseen expenses and unforeseen prices. So, you know, to have an understanding that we might have to increase it by 3% in one year, but that is not the intention. The intention is to increase it as little as possible. What are the rest of you guys think about doing it in one jump versus having them come back. I'm just trying to understand the ask for the request and what you're looking for us to approve so the first sentence is that you're looking to increase the cap of the per capita assessment and the current 150 to $4. That's what you're looking for the approval. But you're representing that our first year is likely only going to be $2 and 50 cents and maybe thereafter a 3% increase but the approval you're seeking from us is the 4% cat. And the first year will be too thick. Yes, it won't be more than the $4. It's a $4 cap, not the 4%. $4, I'm sorry. Okay, yeah. So yeah, that's what we're seeking to get approval for is the figure of $150 to $4. We're going to be standing this year would be 250. The goal is to keep it at 250 for as long as possible by diversifying our revenues straight. But now we don't come back. Not as likely to have to come back for more funding in between depending on how things go. Yeah, I mean, I think that 10 years would be the near term. That would be the short end of when we would have to come back to go over the $4. Right. I think that we could, you know, given the sponsorship part and the grants. So 3% of 250 is 75 cents. So you'd have to go to 325. You couldn't jump from $2.50 to $4, because that's more than 3%. And we would never come in. You wouldn't do that. There's no reason to do that. Yeah. So I'm trying to think of an analogous organization that we have input on a central Vermont solid waste management district comes to mind. I mean, where are they in terms of what we've approved for a cap and what they're going down. They drop their capital due to COVID. Okay. And they're very worried about increasing it because they have some towns. I've told them that they came to the town, we wouldn't jump all over them for increasing it back to that 50 cents for a dollar. What is it in all of these 3000 bucks. Yeah. And solid waste is very important to the whole state. The thing is, they are very concerned about some of the other towns who are in their district who can't afford that or feel that they can't afford it and they don't. So they can't just do one town and not another town. Kind of want to bring everybody in together. Yeah, and that's a big concern because those towns can drop out. And that's the other that that really has hindered them in their ability to do anything. That doesn't work. It's not fun at all. Well, we're getting off. We could do it. We could talk about that. We'll talk about some time. But anyway, let's get back to. Yeah, I just want to jump down and just finish off someone. Yeah, I want to see the numbers here. So, yeah. So the total cost he's going to failure to go from $3,985 to $6,495. And is that the 250 that's at the 250. Yeah, yes. Yeah. So that's an increase of $2,500. That combined with the three other towns were increased our budget by 13,366 dollars. And he's not players total contribution to our budget for 2023 will be 3.98% of the $163,000 budget. I think that's a bargain. You know, we, we operate the, the part where it's open to everybody. But we have special incentives built in just for district residents, all district residents get a 10% discount off of their season pass. All district residents get 25% off of rentals. And then you can combine if you're a district resident and you have a season pass you can have price for rentals. And then you can put our money where our mouth is and trying to keep people as fit as possible through the recreation physics and keeping that price as low as possible for everyone and recreate. What are the rest of you guys think about 250 versus four. I'm going to go back to just saying 250 this time and not have where I broke the four cap because it gives them a lot more flexibility to operate and they don't have to come back to how many towns are in this for five towns. You know, they could come back and do a report but they don't have to come back and ask for money. Hopefully, well I think what they're saying is that this their revenue stream is uncertain. And when you depend on grants, blah, blah, blah. You like to have the flexibility of being to be able to assess more in a certain year up to four. That's the two components. Not taking in more of your time. Yeah, that is necessary, but don't worry about it. And like Kim said, you know when we have a down year, but we plan for that and we know that every 50 year on average, it's going to be a rainy year. We have a rainy day fund. But, you know, that might always not be adequate. We've never had to have an emergency assessment in the past. I don't see why we would but I always go kind of in dealing with these sort of these when you're billing people for for work or for projects like that, that you should increase your budget. And the reason we'll rate every single year so you don't have to come back and ask for a large amount of money, like right now Washington Electric Co-op is going to ask for 14.2% rate increase. They should have come back and they should have hit the town to hit us. Maybe 2% or 3% over the last few years and it wouldn't be as hard on people. Well, it's the same. Well, I know, I know it's the same, but it's incremental improvements tend to stop people from being angry. I understand. That's what we do with the tax rate. That's why we have a capital reserve. But in this case, you're a little bit protected because of the town budget and it's only a small part of our town budget to be going to you. But what you would do is you'd be this one larger rate increase and then it kind of will level out over time. And I don't have a problem with that. And I can understand the need for flexibility, the need to plan and need to have some cushion in there in case you need some extra money for something. Sometimes these grants require a match. Right. Well, that's why we have, we have that cushion for the rainy day and for those grants that's really critical that we built that up. And we also put away every year we put away $2,000 for appreciation. Right. That's good too. It's hard to do that. And you know, I just, I want you all to know that we have a long track record of really watching our pennies. If we do this, I think you're the only organization that we would do this for, that we would be doing it for. Kellogg Hubbard Library, the senior centers, nobody else comes to us and asks for approval for a budget over five or 10 years. You just ask for funding for the coming year. This before with all four times the same scenario where we asked for an increase to the cap, but we assessed below the cap. Yeah. Yeah, I know what Carl's saying. These are actually right in that choosing annual ask. And, you know, there's more. Okay. There's never less. And you just take a map. Yeah, and yeah, that's just the way it goes. And we don't mind spending the time with you, or anybody that asks for money. So, so that's the flip side. So, I'm not sure how everyone, I mean, I understand what John's saying, and I can see what Carl's saying. What about you? I'm torn in between what both of you are. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I had a question on a description of some of the work that you're doing, which is coordinated with district towns committees to support existing and trail network development. So what are the goals that go through or lead to the reservoir and that facility or how is that consistent with what the function and purpose of the facility is the rightsful. So we do have trails on site now. Okay, and we're looking to work. So we're approached by the middle sex trail commission to work with East Montpelier trails. Alliance traps to develop a trail on the east side of the reservoir. It'll go from Montpelier, East Montpelier, Worcester, Calis, and then Lincoln to the corners in the East Montpelier show network. So that's the first step then made with six months to work going towards Romney Montpelier wants to work with us going to the stump dump. So that's what that component is about. And right now, Governor Scott has committed to $5 million annually for the foreseeable future in the vorac. So it's going to be an economic consortium grant fund. So there's going to be there's already a lot of grant money going out there for trail construction. So not only are we working with developing the trails, but to maintain the trails. You know, because it's really easy to build a trail. No, it's excited about maintaining those trails. And that's the nuts and bolts that Bryceville will perform. That's the problem we haven't used. Different. It's come up volunteers. Yeah, volunteers and comes up all the time. Same with stay in LVRD. You know, it's a 90 miles of trails and they haven't decided who's going to maintain them after building. Right. Yeah, so, so by having sure. And so we work with the Central Monterey Regional Planning Commission as well on on all of our operation but specifically on trails as well. And that's a significant component when these towns are applying for Borek or RTP grants for trails to show that they have a long term capacity to maintain those trails. So just by our existence, we will help those entities get grant funds. And along with the $4 cap, everyone probably understands this is a precedent. And by establishing a precedent doesn't mean that other organizations are going to allow other organizations to do the similar behavior. Correct. I mean, this is unusual. Somebody may come in and ask. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Because they could use some stability, they apply for grant. Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah, that's what I said, but I mean, don't apologize. Like I said, we, we went through this process eight years ago. Yeah. And so we set the precedence eight years ago. Yeah, then with that we, we like four towns agreed to increase the cap. Yeah, we did not assess that cap. Yeah. At that point, in which case we signed off on it, but we're young and foolish at the time. Now you're older and less foolish. We know what we're doing. That's what it says. It was because I wasn't here at the time, what was the increment like what to get up to the dollar. Yeah, 50 cents $2.50. Over what period of time. Oh, over the course of eight years. Yeah. I don't, I don't have that. You know, it was over a few, maybe four years to $2.50. And the primary driver for that period was the increase in the middle. Yeah, which is wonderful. But you know that on a business that relied primarily on minimum wage employees, it really was significant for us. We see the light at the end of the tunnel for minimum wage increases. And we're almost a couple of years away from this real steep rise in that. So that'll help stabilize our budget as well. So, so one of the things that's driving your budget though is because you are going to become more or less full time. But this is I mean, the part of that that comes from the towns is pretty nominal. Okay. Yeah. I mean that's revenue increase. We have a new contract with the state where we now maintain shady real in the boat launch. Yeah. So that's the majority of what's paying for that. And that's my position and the benefits. Yeah. And the hours are only incrementally going up. It's, it's the benefits part that are the more significant part of that increase. But yeah, most of that's coming from elsewhere. Yeah. No, I'm not trying to downgrade what you're doing. I know you do a lot of work, but we need all three legs. Oh, yeah, I know. Yeah. I guess I would, I would support the 4% cap understanding that this is, I keep saying that I apologize for dollar cap. I'm sorry. Understanding that this is how the rights field beach has this is how we funded the this organization over the in the past and it's consistent with that and it appears that that wasn't used and it was done reasonably and responsibly. And there's nothing suggesting that that wouldn't continue to happen in the future. And if it gives you the flexibility to get the grant funding matching funding and things like that. I would, I would be in support of it. I appreciate that, but we're not the same. The last time we saw to increase it. Now it's just to deal with like where we're at right now. This plan is to really have a long view. How do we get money from elsewhere. How do we develop the park. You know, it's not just how do we put the bandaid on right now. Understood but of course, as Carl made the point, every organization. Yeah, pretty much operates the same way. Yeah. But anyway. More seems like we've come to some consensus on this. Sorry willing to come back to us each year and give us a report. Sure. Yeah, we'd like to see you. I love seeing about the dairy industry. Okay, so are we, are we going to make a decision on this tonight. I mean, I see that we're going to discuss it. But you want an answer now, it would be great if I could get an answer to the request for the capital of $4 because on the 14th, I'm going to the final town. Montpelier, where we'll be seeking $8,000 more. Yeah. And if I can say that we have these three other towns. Yeah, all lined up. It's kind of a blackmail. Activities. Pure pressure. I get it. Okay, so let's do this. Because we're running late. So let's make a motion. Don't all speak at once. Yeah, I think increase the cap for the right school beach recreation district from $1 and 50 cents to $4 excuse me that we increase the per capita assessment cap from $1 and 50 cents to $4. And we add to that with the assumption that it's going to be $2 and 50 cents for at least 2023. And I know more than 3% in any given year, which I think it's sort of important. Yeah, that's all reasonable. That's the pretty reasonable. Okay, yep. Okay. And we have a second. Second. John second, all in favor, please say aye. You did just say that no, no. I was waiting for the opposed part. Okay, so this four eyes and all as opposed to be say, Nick. Nick. Okay, we have four eyes and one day. And emotion pass. Thank you very much. Thank you. And I appreciate you. And don't feel appreciate your work. We appreciate your work. And we do. And we do that with the rights built. Each does for people and we whole heartedly approved. And that, I mean, we're not trying to give you a hard time. I've enjoyed it, but we're doing our due diligence to find someone who really cares about a project like that. and take care of it and cherish it for as long as you have. So I think this is a support for what you're trying to do. And it's really hard to find people to do the kind of stuff that you do. We're going to find a replacement in Norwich, and it's a better-paying job. I'm choosing the worst-paying job of the two, and we can't find a good replacement down the road. Anyway, thank you all very much. Thank you, thank you. Merry Christmas. Like I said, don't say it. Okay, so we're running late, but that was a great discussion. Presentation of funding request study committee report. Do we have someone that's going to present that? Come on. Oh, Lindy. Hello, Lindy. Can you hear us? Hi. Hi, we can hear you. For the record, you are... Lindy Johnson, the funding committee chairperson. Thank you. All right. Okay, well, we're running a little bit late. Sorry about that. So you have a report. I see that we have the A-B-B report in front of us. Yes, and I found an error in it, which I just emailed Gina because I didn't change the Vermont CARES. The total is correct, but Vermont CARES should show as 300 versus 150. The spreadsheet's correct, everything. I just didn't get it fixed when I did the funding report. Okay. So your thing, Devin, it's a new figure? Well, it's what they requested and it's what shows on our worksheet, but when I wrote up the report, I didn't get it in there correctly. So Vermont CARES should be $300 in bold versus 150. Okay. Yeah. But the total at the top where it shows the 22,166, that's correct in the second paragraph. That is down from last year. Yes. We had two organizations not request money. Is that just going to say just miss a deadline? No. Gina actually reached out to them. Oh. And they still did not. The committee gave her permission to do that. Okay. So you didn't have to kick anybody out. No. Come up with the amount that was under the cap. Correct. Yeah. Some of it wasn't that they didn't need the money as much as. There was limited people and just no capacity to even request. So I opted to pass. Sounds like it might not be a good investment anyway. It was still, you know, they still opted. Yes. It was. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. We have many more local or level funded requests than we have in the past. Yeah. Okay. So where it shows up as most of these organizations are level funded. Correct. Yeah. I think that the request were. As. As you approved or did you have. Some request in here. They've gone up a lot. You just approved a different amount. No. The, um, we did offer it. We gave more to Wenuski River than they actually asked based on their presentation. And what other communities are giving and the value to. Our community to keep the Wenuski River. Um, Nourished with trees and they had had some problems with some trees. They did plant last year and the beavers eight. So those all have to be replaced. Yeah. Thank you for this. And the spreadsheet. That's very helpful. Um, and that's where you can see Vermont cares as an orange. It jumped out at me and I went to the report and said, oops. Um, Oh, I see. You've got requests right here. Yeah. Pretty close. That's kind of unusual on these inflationary times. I would think, but. I agree. But I think some of these. Um, Organizations have also had some benefit from federal funding. With COVID relief. So. They probably were. Not needing to up at this point. Yeah. So next year. Yeah. Well, I don't have any questions. Does anybody else have any for Lindy? No. This was an enormous amount of work that you do on this each year. Thank you all for it. Well, the committee does a nice job of getting together. Yeah. Well, nice. No one's got any questions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't have any questions. No one's got any questions. Okay. No, it's pretty straightforward. Well, thank you. You're welcome. I think I'm sticking around for something else. Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, I'll mute. We can move on because they were significantly behind unless someone's got questions or comments. No. Okay. So that is done. And the next item is discussion on 2023 town meeting. Okay. Just, just a question. When do we want to consider some of these additions to the agenda? Cause I noticed that Maya stone is sticking around and she's the planning commission. Candidate. And Zach hasn't joined. So it could be the word. Future. So. Okay. I see. And Zach is going to be part of that discussion. Not necessarily. Oh. Okay. Well, we've already started this item seven 10 were way behind. So let's, let's go. Let's plow through this one. Then we can work on that. On that edition. So. Consideration approval for WC Washington County union school district school board to drive a ballot mailing. To all active, not active, not challenged registered voters. Okay. So what is this about? They school district wants to. They want to mail the ballot. There's a letter that come from floor that explains it. Oh, yeah. Oh, right here. Yeah. And for the record, Linda, you're staying on as a member of the school board. Correct. Yeah. Thank you. And we did this last year as well. Okay. So we could, we could approve this. In advance of the December 21st school board meeting. Did this get approved last year by all five towns? Yes. Okay. Sounds good to me. Why not. I just had a question about. Active registered voters. Is Rosie still on. Yep. Okay. Rosie, could you address. This proposal to mail the annual meeting ballots to all active registered voters? Is that the term for the folks that we send ballots to? It's active, non-challenged voters. We have over 350 challenged voters. Most of these folks are people who have moved out of town, but did not give us written permission to take them off the checklist. Okay. So by asking for this. For these ballots to go to active, non-challenged folks, we are able to save a little money in postage and printing. And also time where it comes to. Dealing with all the return ballots. Okay. Is that a redundant term? Is active the same as non-challenged or is there a difference? Challenge voters are still active. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So. One of not. Okay. So what. So you're not going to have any. Ballots coming back in that are challenged. Is that. We're not having any go out. Right. They're not coming out. Automatically. I mean, if they call up and ask for one. So. So, I mean, I think we do challenge votes that come in for different. That knows that. Yes. Right. For some reason or another. See, relatively they'll come in. These challenge voters who may still exist in the community might just show up and vote and hurt. I'm, I'm living here. You know. Otherwise if they don't get back to them, then they're assuming they're gone. Or, or yeah, or they can contact Rosie and ask for a ballot. Right. the motion that floor suggested a little bit. I think this worked. I moved to approve mailing WC UUSD annual meeting ballots to all active non-challenged voters on the checklist consistent with the November 16, 2022 request from the WC UUSD board. I think we need to register before voters. I'm not sure if I heard registered. I think they have to be registered to be active. Active is fine. Yeah. Active is okay. It's the same question. Yeah, if they're active, they are registered by definition. Yeah, yeah, right. Did you get that, Deirdre? Uh, not all of that now. Okay. Can you see it after? Well, it's the same sentence you just add onto it. No, I revised it a little bit. I moved to approve mailing WC UUSD annual meeting ballots to all active non-challenged voters on the checklist consistent with the November 16, 2022 request from the WC UUSD board. I wanted to not have it direct Rosie to do it knowing that we can't do it unless the other towns approve it. So I just wanted to give our own approval of it so that the school board can then act on our approval and the other towns. So is it clear that it's the town of Eastmont there? That's not what you're saying. We are the town of Eastmont Pelear with this luck board. Yeah, but it's okay. Yeah, but you're not saying it in the motion. No, no, we know who we are. It's our, it will be in our minutes. We never say I moved to approve the town of Eastmont Pelear budget, expend so many dollars for such and such. I'm sorry. I'm not sure that active and registered are synonymous. So I would just suggest. I'm not sure why you want me to town it, but I guess they'll, okay, Rosie, where do you want that? Sorry? Yeah. Yeah, then. I just want to address Judith's question. Yeah. So all voters who register are considered active. And in our system that we use on a regular daily basis, anyone, any voter is considered active unless they are inactive, which means purged. The only reason we have to purge a voter is with written permission or by death. So the active registration is what makes you a registered, but what makes you an active voter? You're not technically a registered voter, you're an active voter. Does that help? But you need to be a registered voter to be an active voter. You need to register in order to be a voter, period, active voter. So you're saying that if you're active, they're automatically going to... When we register to vote, we are considered an active voter. We're not considered a registered voter. It's just been a change in the terminology over the last several years. Oh, okay. So the registered voter is not a term of art, is what you're saying, is that correct? Correct. Okay, thank you. So Michael. I just had a, thank you. I have a governance question. Since after fourth consolidation, we no longer have an East Montpelier town and school district. Why is the town of East Montpelier involved in the mailing of ballots for the Washington Central Supervisory Union? Yeah, Rosie. Can you answer that? I can. First of all, the Washington Central Union Unified School District asked, they sent a letter to each select board in each town requesting this action. That's our only role in it. And as the school district clerk, that's what I know about it. And that letter said that they can, I believe it said that they can only do it upon approval of all four towns. That's correct. They are only authorized to send out, to have us send out the ballots if all four towns in, all five towns, sorry, in this district approve it. By the December 21st. That's what I'm trying to get pre-approved. Right. Does that cost us extra money? No, they're going to reimburse. Right. Yeah, Michael. Okay, so I had the financial question. But I guess, again, I still have the questions. And I know Rosie is the clerk of the whole Unified School District, but why don't they have their own administrative process? Why are they coming back to the towns which are no longer school districts to do this? It's not more than a rhetorical question. I don't understand. Rosie, Rosie. I can actually answer that one for you. It's because although the school district is now its own municipality, the agency of education has not completed the legislative work they need to do in order to have school districts in order to give school districts their own election authority. So since they didn't do that during the work of all the mergers, it's still up to the individual towns to semi-active clerks for their elections. So as the district school clerk, I oversee their election. But there, I'm sorry if I'm muddying the waters here, but it's a legislative issue. And I'm told that they're working on it during this legislative session. Yeah. Okay. Linda has her hand up. Yeah, I just want to let Rosie finish the talk. Thank you. Thank you, Rosie. So, Lindy, has your hand up. Yep, just for clarity also, this way the ballots are in the same envelopes with the regular ballots versus people getting a bunch of different envelopes and confused about what they're voting on and where things go back. Right. So each town puts them with the regular election ballots. Yeah, that's correct. And the town has a checklist. They have everybody, the list of voters, they have their address, they send them out packed bills. Just makes it a lot cleaner and easier to do for the towns. Now, the only question there though is have we decided to mail ballots to all voters that we normally would be decided by a student ballot? We have decided to do that. Well, no, that's the next point. Yeah, that's my point of the scoop. But we can approve this without approving that and not incur any cost to the town. Right. Exactly. I'm all in favor of it. I have always advocated mail-in ballots because it encourages people to vote. So in these times, it works. So any more questions on this item? No. Is Carl's motion still on the table? Anyone? Yeah, we don't have a second for it. It was actually a change in the proposed language for motion that is in the letter. Yes. So. I made the motion. I know. You made the motion. And more with good reasons, Carl. Nobody really understood why you're changing it, but that's okay. Yeah, could you just repeat what the motion is? Thank you. She's had a hard time. Yeah. I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying. Right. To approve mailing the WUC, UUSD annual meeting ballots to all active, non-challenged voters on the checklist, consistent with the November 16th, 2022 request from the WUC, UUSD board made by Carl. Thank you. You're welcome. Beautiful. Very nice. Does everyone like that motion? Sure. We have a second. I will second that. You're going to second it. I will. Wow, you are a bold mover. Devil may care. So no further discussion. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Yeah, ayes appear to have or they do have it. So on the next bullet here, it says consideration about mailing to all active, not challenged registered voters. So that is, is that different than the last? It says, yeah, this is the town ballot, not the school board ballot. Oh, okay. Yep. This is just regular ballots. Okay. Well, well, I was going to think of the items that we usually vote. Yes. Australian ballot. If not the town meeting that we did in the past, we did all the items that we used to discuss at town meeting on Australian ballot because we weren't going to have town meeting. That's a separate discussion. Yeah, but. Yeah, I mean, this is what we've done in the past. So, but not the same example. Okay. What's the question? Oh, I just want to see this where it is on there. You don't really have anything up essentially the bullet. Is there any typical documentation to be provided to evaluate ballots being nailed or not? I'm sorry, I didn't hear John's question. It was really garbled. Well, we could just say the history. I mean, we've only been doing this for two years, just a third year. Is that correct, Roger? Yes. Yeah, I mean, what we had done in the past is people went up to school and they voted the items that we do by Australian ballot at school. When pandemic came around, we decided to do the mail down mail in ballots. And we did it for town meeting items also because we didn't have town meeting. So all we're trying to do now is to follow that same pattern disregarding the town meeting aspect of it of mailing ballots to people on that would decide the items that are Australian ballot. And when we did it two years ago, if I remember correctly, the state funded the mailing and now I think there's no more state funding for it. So we would fund it with our tax dollars. Yeah. But as we discovered, it encouraged people to vote. It did. That's a good thing. Thank you. Rosie, anything else? Yep, Rosie. If I can speak to the financial aspect of it, since you've already approved the Washington Central ballots, should all the other four towns, both of those ballots will go out at the same time in the same envelope. And therefore your cost will be split in half with the school. Right. Okay, so the other thing that I wanted to mention and make sure people understand is that, well, over the last two years, we have mailed these ballots out on masks. Ballots are always available. If you contact the town clerk's office, we refer to them as absentee ballots. And in the past, we've had a number of people who have taken advantage of the fact that we have absentee ballots available to be mailed out. As a word of caution, we may have to do that. Well, okay. Back up. There is also a third ballot that goes out this year as well as it did last year. The Central Vermont Career Center will have a ballot. And theirs will be entirely separate because there are 18 towns involved with that. And no, there's not a way that we can think of to get 18 towns to all agree to mail ballots. So... So those ballots will only be available to people who ask for them or who come in to vote on town meeting days, that correct? Yes. But the people that ask for them are gonna get in the same level. If they ask for them ahead of time. I guess so, yeah. Can I have one? Not yet. Has to be after January 2nd. Okay. Okay. So what would the motion look like? The motion would be to mail out to... About... I moved to mail all town meeting ballots. I moved to mail town meeting ballots for 2023 to all active non-challenged voters on the checklist. But wouldn't you say you differentiate? You have to say the East Montaillier ballot. I have to say it by Australian ballot. The ones you usually decide by Australian ballot. Well, the ballot is... The ballot is... The ballot is Australian ballot. Okay, but you're not discussing town meeting... We aren't making that decision in this motion. Right. Well, I just want to make sure we're not. Right. Seth, there are two separate ballots last year, depending upon whether town meeting is in person or not. Right. Last year and the year before we had ballots that included all of, for example, the funding committee requests. Those are usually voted on the floor. Yeah. And they probably would be... Those are the kinds of things that we will not have on a ballot for an in-person town meeting. We just revert back to what 2020 was. Yeah. And Gina has... Gina and I have come up with that warning, and that's the one that you have seen in the past... The last meeting, last meeting. Okay. So, in the motion it's clear that it's just going to be items that we generally decide by Australian ballot. That would be town meeting, Australian ballot items. Yes, right. Town meeting ballots, period. And that way, if the legislature... Last year, the legislature, or this year, actually, the legislature moved very quickly at the beginning of the session to change the law again to what it had been for 2020 to allow us to have everything by Australian ballot. And so this motion would allow us to do whatever we decide to do later on. If the legislature tells us that we could do that and we decide to do that, then we don't have to revisit the... Yeah, okay. Sounds good. We have a second. Could you repeat the motion? Do you want to read what you have, Gina? Yeah. Town meeting ballots for 2023 to all active town challenge voters on the check list. Yeah. We have a second. Second. We have a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it. They do have it. Then the next bullet is discussion on 2023 town meeting warnings. And the warning... We have... A little bit of change from what we saw last. Yeah. And the meeting was just to move the town forum. I had it all done Saturday. Yeah. And moved it to Monday. Yeah. Monday to fourth town meeting. Otherwise, I'm not exactly sure how these discussions go in the past. This kind of lives on your agenda from meeting after meeting. Yeah. So I'm assuming that if there's something to be discussed, it either comes to me in some format. Yeah. Or you all have something that you want to address on this. So... So what usually happens is that the number of things highlighted with uncertain terms of them gets reduced at each meeting. Okay. So I have one question on the town forum. Last year, it seems like we did more than one. One for a... Yeah. No, did we? Oh. It seems like we did. What we're discussing on sequential Mondays for a town meeting or some subject. It seems like it was more than one. Don't be pretty sure there was. I think we're required to do two and one must be within like 10 days before the actual town meeting. But I think that one of our select board meetings in general in January is... Oh, it's a pre-town meeting. Is a forum as well. We're a hearing. Well, maybe it was a hearing we were having, right? I know. Yeah, Rosie. We're only required to have one town forum. Okay. Okay. So maybe what we've done in the past is just had a general forum for people like 40 days before. No, I think it must have been a hearing. Yeah, Rosie. The town forum has traditionally been that Saturday morning where we all go up to the school and 12 people show up and we go through the agenda. I don't know. But we've moved it to Monday. Evenings because it was so poorly attended on Saturday. And we did that last year and maybe even a year before. Not a year before. But we did last year. Just last year. But I'm wondering if we... I seem to remember there was some Monday evenings more than just the forum. I may have been we had some hearings. Did I remember nobody attended? I think it was probably... Because it rang a bell when you said that but I think it probably was hearings. Maybe it was a hearing and no one came to it. Did I remember I said that? It might have been about something to do with the town plan or something. Yeah, it might have been. I think you're right. But I'm okay with just having one forum. I just want to make sure that we have enough for people to talk. Enough time allocated. I mean, they haven't been well attended in the past but it doesn't mean that it won't be this year. So we'll just... Yeah, Rosie. I wanted to bring into your attention that at this point in time, your pre-town meeting, your forum, the night before town meeting is also being held at the same time as the Washington Central Forum for their annual meeting. But I believe that floor is working to change that with them. So, you get yours first. So... Okay, that's been a recurring issue. And this is not the first time that's happened and that would be good if one or the other of us could change it. Well, we could change the time or something. Yeah, yeah. Okay. What time is there, Rosie, Ian? There starts at seven and yours starts at 6.30 or traditionally. Maybe we can make the spread bigger. Floor is actually talking about doing it on the Wednesday before, which may mean that they call a special meeting, but usually their first Wednesday meeting in a month is a community forum anyway. Okay. Well, we'll see what happens. That's a little ways away. I just want to call your attention to the fact that the draft we have in front of us says 7.30 p.m. at the top and then 10 a.m. after A and 10, 10 at B and so on. Okay. Anybody have anything else? I'll change up to 6.30 if you all would like. One in the past started at 7.30, which is where I pulled that from, but maybe some of these. Well, do we need some time before the hearing, the forum to conduct other select board business? We've done it afterwards, in fact, but not. So then 7.30 may be the right time to allow you an hour for a select board meeting. Well, the thing is we can't start the forum before the warrant sign. Right. Why would we start it before the meeting starts? We could start our meeting at 6.30 and resets until the end of the forum and then have the forum start at 6.31 and do that if nobody shows up or a few people show up and it goes very quickly, then we could start up the plug for a meeting. Again, that way we can warn them both. I think I would have to sit around. Yeah, we need a mechanism to start our meeting when the forum is done, not a set time. Because forums, sometimes nobody comes and we're sitting around for an hour. We can't do that, right? So whatever way we do it, if we start the forum right off, we can just say we're gonna start the select board meeting when the forum is done. We don't have to set it, we don't not set a time. Right, right. So, okay, anybody have anything else? No, that's unusual. Okay. Okay, so I'm good. So we want to do the additions again. We can. Where is that multi-page document? We'll do it. We're gonna start with Maya. Sure, let's start with Maya. I'm here, thank you. Hi. Hi. Every last document is Maya's information. Letter of interest and written mail. Addition. And has the planning commission forwarded us a recommendation? I did not receive anything other than letting me know, yes, that they have there submitting Maya for your consideration. They have. Yes. Okay, they have reviewed. Yeah, okay. Okay. So I guess we have Maya here. And we have questions for her. So you want to be on the planning commission? Yes. Yeah. We'll open the conversation. Yeah, I would like to fill the vacancy and then eventually run in for the spot and the town meeting 2023. Right, because this is only going to be March. Pretty much. Yeah. So she would be filling, somebody see they moved away. They moved to Plainfield. Just to be clear. So it's only for a few months and then she would run for the seat. Right. But she said. I'm so curious who moved to Plainfield. Spencer Hardy. Oh, okay. Yeah. He filled in for Sue Tiplam who also moved to Plainfield. I think she moved a little further south, didn't she? What? That's when to Brookfield. Washington and Brookfield or something. Yeah. Anyway, out of town. And just to be clear, Maya, you have recently moved to East Montpelier but you grew up here, right? Yes. Yeah, I grew up here. Yeah. And I'm currently, yeah, living neighbors with my sister and my parents. Not planning on moving to Plainfield. Are we allowed to ask that question? Oh, right. You can ask, right? I'll offer it. Okay. I mean, even if you did have a move to Plainfield in the future, we could put you on for now. As long as you don't say you're planning to move to Calis. Right. That would be just all of fun. You do know that Carl is joking. I'm familiar with Carl, yeah. So I think that you'd probably be a good fit. Cool. I agree. Yeah. I have no objection. Thanks for coming to this meeting, Maya. Yeah. Thanks for taking around so long. It's really interesting. I'm really excited to be moving back and engaging at a different level of the community. This is fun to be a part of, yeah. I think it's great that you're wanting to get involved. I think that's wonderful. Thanks. So of course you'll be able to zoom in to meetings or in person. So that works out well for you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we have that option now. I don't have really any questions. Does anybody else have any questions for Maya? No. No? No. Okay. I move to appoint Maya Stone to the Planning Commission for what? Is it until town meeting day? For the remainder of the term. Is it the remainder of the term? Yeah, because the term ends in March. The term automatically ends in March. Spencer's term ends in March. Yeah, okay. Okay, so for the remainder of the term of the Planning Commission position that is open, how does that sound? It sounds kind of convoluted, but it's okay. Do you have a more concise way to breathe it? I probably do, but I don't want to read it. I'll second that. We have a second. Get it over with. Perfect. I would favorably say aye. Aye. Welcome, Lori. Yeah, Lori. Congratulations. Great, thank you. Thanks. And thank you for doing this. Yes, thanks. Sure. Yeah, I do have to hop off, but thank you so much for your time. Yep. Before you hop off, please come and see me so you can fill in your oath before your meeting next week. Absolutely. All right, I'll see you later and have a productive evening. Oh yeah, thank you. Thank you. We haven't had much production so far, but we're fine. So all these other items on this one page are addition. So yeah, but. I mean, you're forbidden by law. This is forbidden by law. Well, that's not here. So you can eliminate it when you're on the page. So all of that fire department stuff is rather quick. So one, there's a meeting Thursday night with the fire department. I don't know if any of the selected members can attend. I'm not here. I'll be here. I know that it's traveling. I don't know. I think that's not meeting every single night this week. I'd be able to. Really? Yeah. That's brilliant. And I'm planning to attend. Okay. I may be able to attend. Okay, great. And you can attend, probably. It's the outlook is not good. I might surprise you. Well, I'm sorry. We'll be able to zoom in on a different page, or they did not presume I was trying last time. I mean, it's seven. Yeah. Center of law is always very exciting. They don't do zoom at the fire station. They didn't last meeting. I've only been here for one of these. Right. That's true. Was Orca going to be there? Yeah, or Orca has been there. It's a meeting of the select for it. So we should probably tell, we should probably know about this. Yeah. If it's not a meeting, they'll make it. Is there a one meeting for us? Yeah. It's a one meeting. It's a noticed meeting. We've had Orca there in the past. Dang, we won't have a forum with that. Yeah, it's not. It's not a one meeting by the sector. Callus does it as a one meeting. We've done it as an unnoticed meeting, which means we're not empowered to make any decisions. Just like how low where you are. Callus might have Orca there since there's a one meeting for them. Well, do you want to be in touch with Orca and just? I mean, I can, you know, then ask. Yeah, I've had to probably run it through the fire department first, just to get to their meeting. So have they been there? I guess they've been there. They've been there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but it's the other thing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we have had nonfire department meetings at the fire department. Yeah. So Orca's been there for the meeting. I know, right. Remember, it didn't work out very well. Yeah, maybe not. Maybe not. I mean, without. Maybe we just let Callus do it if they want to. It would have been nice to have a little more notice on this meeting, just to say. But isn't it always this Thursday in December? Is it? It has been. OK, sounds like in the past. I'm just not sure how this communication yeah, really close. Right. Well, what you did about this traffic? I mean, this is what I mean. The documents never get out. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah. So that's the way it goes. But you say the documents for the meeting are posted on the website. OK, that's unusual. Yeah, yeah. And you have them as well. For car on their own website. Those papers are there in the packets. OK. And the only other fire department, Toby reached out to me last week. It was in May, I believe it was that the select board often rise the fire department to remaining fund balance that they had for some LED light replacement and the paving projects. So he had called me and said, what? Yeah. Were you guys going to cut us a check? And he was trying to figure out what's happened. We paid an electrical bill. So the balance, I think, then was around $13,000. It's just under $6,800 right now. Yeah. He asked if the board would have would authorize just releasing the remaining funds to them so that they can kind of do what they need to do and eliminate the confusion of where the bills need to go when a bill comes in and they can just pay for it. So that's what I'm asking you all tonight. If that is something you would be willing to do, or do you want them to continue submitting? I'm trying to remember. Was it all of the remaining funds? Yeah, it was. The motion was to release all of the remaining funds for their projects. Let's give them the money. Yeah. That's why it's just, there's been some, and it's funny, Larry, the chief brought over a bill today. So I think they're trying to figure out when they get a bill and they're doing something to do with it. So I could send that bill, either pay it and give them the net amount or send that bill back to them and go ahead. We can cut them a check. I'm assuming that the improvements or whatever they're doing are helping me more than the current balance. I don't know. I don't know. If it's more than or less than. It doesn't really matter. Yeah. I mean, packaging. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So I moved to approve transferring the remainder of the balance in the emergency services facility fund to the East Montpelier Fire Department, a sum of $6,754. That's $6,800 or something. Right, $6,754 as well. That's what it says here. What do you say? $5,000. He said just under $6,800. Oh, now it's $6,800. Oh, OK. All right. Namely, $6,750. Yeah, you got it. OK. OK. All those in favor, please say, hi. Guys appear to have it. They do have it. So ignore the rest of your law page. Really? Yeah. That's a lot of writing. It may come back again, but. Energy commitment, committee, town plan amendment, energy planning. Ignore. Exactly, by the way. OK. OK, so let's go back to the meeting. The next item is discussion on FY 2024 budget development. You just saw one last week. This is an update with some changes from Guthrie. I mean, it's still a work in process. I'm not sure how much detail you want to get into now or peruse and we'll. So the changes from last week's would be what? In the high rate department. OK. That's going to be towards the back. And really Guthrie didn't on page five much. Is it the highlighted ones? Yes. OK. So really, just based on he and I sat together and went through this, just what he knows is costing more now essentially. And it's not as bad as you would think to be honest with you. And a lot of these budgets have been held flat for years. So, you know, like with salt, you know, we agreed around a 10% or so increase was fair based on the latest pricing that he is seeing. And then just minor increases again, just all due to just costs today. Uniforms, a little bit of an increase there. Garage electricity, electricity and heating fuel. I mean, we all know those trash. He has seen tick up at the tiny bit as well. So he wanted to be a little conservative and put just an extra 500 in there. Yeah, they would be the equipment and repairs. That number kind of all over the place. It seems like when I look at history, but you never know. Yeah, he felt comfortable. Yeah, it is. I mean, it's wild when you look at this budget. I've looked at it over. I forget how many years I've called the actuals. And it's just depends on what happened in a year. But totally unbelievable. Inhale. Now, everything else is silent for me. I'm still going through this line by line. Well, we could have that more. We can send our time tonight. Honestly, honestly, if it's not, we can move on. We can already run and see what we can do. We can move on. I'd like to have a little more time with it. I honestly got distracted partly with County Road, which is the next item, getting the financial update. And honestly, I've been looking a lot into the grants because I want to start working on the reimbursements to get the money back as quickly as possible. So that's kind of distracted me a little in the last week. Well, I think I think. Yeah. So yeah, I just checked online and the documents. I didn't realize they were up online. I was just looking at the warning for town meetings. I'm like, didn't there used to be a line in there that the child voters here report off the select board? Wasn't that an article? I said, I noticed it wasn't looked at as an article. But I'd always thought it's not the select board report. We always did that. It was to hear the reports from the various town office. Yeah, that's not on the warning is what you're saying. I don't think it could be a mistake. Well, there's article one is to elect all necessary officers for the ensuing year. I guess that's that's different than hearing a report, isn't it? Yeah, I think last year that you're talking about was not actually all. Well, that's just because I'm glad to hear that. I knew that was always kind of an article or an article. Yeah, that's a good catch. So maybe Gina, you could go back to the 2019 warning and see if there are other things that we might have admitted last year just because we weren't meeting in person. I know what did say here is that these reports should have varied officers, whatever it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's what I was going to say, talk again. I will have a good job. Yeah, yeah, whatever. OK, so so we're going to end the discussion on the FY 2024 budget development. We're going to move on to County Road Project Update Financial. Ness, I did not give you a big spreadsheet. I just put a little chart in the annotated agenda. But this is the summary. I have a lot of detail if you would like to see it. But this is the summary of where we have ended. And all the bills should be in. This should be reflective. I mean, unless there's any kind of surprise that I have the numbers from height. And we've been done with the culverts. So essentially, the total town costs is just over 900,000, 913, almost 114,000. There's 384,000 in grant funding that will offset the nearly $1.3 million of costs. The good news is, I mean, the paving in the between the executed contract and the paying order, so the last known total, was anticipated to be about 942,000. And it did come in under that in 903. Road crew saved us a little bit on shoulder gravel because they had to gravel because they kept pushing us on their schedule. So they had to do a little bit of cleanup to help marry people's driveways to the road. So that was a little bit of savings. That wasn't a lot. A lot of it is because really the fuel overages that we expected did come back down some before we finally paid the road. So the delay worked in our favor of it as it relates to costs. Right, as well fuel has been going up and down. Yeah, it had gone up. And by the time we actually executed the change order, it actually come down a little bit from where we thought it was going to be. But then by the time it was actually paid, the cost came down again a little bit more. So all in all, fairly somewhat in line with what we expected, which I don't think any of us really expected, which is still more than we have last year. A lot. The culverts in particular, yes. Yeah. The paving. And the only reason I didn't have the last year is the culverts never came. Yeah. And that cost us like $300,000 more. Yeah, the culverts. Yeah. Yeah, that was a lot of money. Yeah. Really, the paving kind of came in about in line. And really, the overages is the culverts from the original. Oh, well. Yeah, I didn't put this estimated cost with the latest, like, board approved, which I think was in April when you all approved. That's when you got the increase in the culvert. I know, yeah. Right. And that's when I was like, oh, no. But from this year to last year, it was such a big jump. I do have a spreadsheet that shows all of that. But I think that's OK. So our total cost, regardless of the grant funding, or without regard to the grant funding, is $11,470 over what we approved in April with the change orders. Is that correct? Yes. OK. Yeah. And the town cost $913,000. Wow. But we have the money, which is good, because we've been putting it aside. So we got to move the rolling on Council. Yeah, huge project. And we got a celebration on it. Yeah. But I mean, just to let everyone know that's an expensive project that we don't usually have on our paving. The paving, most of the paving of budget for shim and overlay, which is where you just put a layer on top, which is already there. This got bull mag ground up, and then we have the culverts in there. It makes it like a lot more. One of which we did ourselves, two of which were done by the guys who did it. And they were really expensive. So ordinarily, in the paving line, we do have money, but mostly for shim and overlay, which is the layer on top, which is what we did about eight, nine, 10 years ago. We did shim and overlay at every road in town. Because when I got on the site board, it was like they had money in the budget to do it, but the roads were awful shape. So we pushed that off forward and just got, hey, we'll do every road, do every road, pay for as we went, and it worked out really well. And then we started to put money aside, which is how we got the money in there for this project. By going forward, we're not going to have to spend that money per mile, because it's going to be a different type of project. And according to information that Guthrie gave me, I don't remember the exact date, but the last time at the Stretches County Road was addressed in this way with the bull magging was back in the late 90s. Yeah. Yeah, but we're not going to have to bull magging every road in town. Right. No. So anyway, there you go. So anyway, good work. Done. It's paid for, so even better. You don't have to borrow money. Because in the past, before all these roads got redone the last 10 years, they had a bond for it. They bonded. They didn't have the money. So they put a bond out and did every road in town. And that's where we're working on. So we've done really well budget-wise to be able to pay for this as we go. That's a really good plan. Good explanation. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. OK, anything else on this update? Good work. I don't see that we need any approvals. We already did. So can we move on? Thanks, Michael. Thank you, Michael. Thanks for coming in. Anything else on that? Yeah. OK. So next item. Some of you are familiar with this. I have attended meetings in the past. It's discussion on town management like COVID-19. And we went through this fairly quickly last time. But now we have Carl here tonight. So we hope you took that. I'm not sure if she actually heard me. I'm not sure if she heard me. Oh, thank you. OK. You have the fork up. Gina has put in to the I'll just say what I usually say. Gina has put into the annotated select board report that the Washington County is at low using the community level tool from the Centers for Disease Control. And we don't know what's going on with case rates anymore. We've got some numbers that the CDC gives us. But because people are taking so many tests at home and not reporting them, then we don't know what's going on. And I've seen estimates that actual case rates are 5 to 10 times more than this. And we're just going with what we have. And any change in what people are saying in terms of their comfort level with masks when they come in here? No. OK. I mean, I don't really know. I mean, I do hear about some cases anecdotally here and there. That's about all I really know. I mean, people are concerned. It's out there. Right. It's out there, for sure. Regularly here are some of the athletes. Anybody sick right now? No. And I also think we don't have a lot of kids in our family at this point. And so a lot of children are getting sick. I don't know anybody. There's some keepers all right now. There's some teachers out right now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Scott and I have been substituting. Oh, really? Yeah, we have. Good for you. Hopefully. Yeah, we were at Romney on Friday. Oh, OK. Yeah, there was a teacher out from COVID there. Oh, really? Somebody else with something else. Yeah, what did you teach? Oh, really? Third and fourth grade. Cool. God had the sixth graders. OK. So as you have anything else to say about COVID? No. OK, we're good. So we can move on. Warrants. We have warrants right here. We can get some more. Yeah, that's not all payroll. Yeah, that's payroll. Tomorrow is the 80. You want one? No, you signed the other one, so I can send it around. Yeah, that's the payroll one. That one, you're saying around. I notice that it's people. The Slack board doesn't usually review that one, but they can. That went pretty good. It's public information. Hey, I'm going to sign and get ahead of it. Yeah, you did. OK, the wrong one, but that's OK. Let's see. That's not who paying it is. Two pages. Mrs. Reid. So that warrant is longer partly because that is the funding. Yeah, I see all these are funding so I don't think I need to sign this. You don't have to. No, you don't. We've already but John with them decided that we did. I get ahead. You know what happened when you kind of do that? Oh, because of the hundred library. So there's the appropriations. Yeah, like industries. Oh, yeah, big check. And there's a big check. Wow, that's everything except the shoulders. Twenty three thousand. I'm still waiting that bill. In Valley, that was the appropriation right there. BLCB insurance. Yeah. OK, did you want this one? OK, yeah. Pop was. Yeah, OK. OK, not much on the town administrator report. No, we did receive the auto report late Friday, but yeah, I have not yet gone through it. Yeah. Biggest thing on the town administrator report is to discuss that. January 2nd, the side of the board. Side. Whether they would like to be that. It's fine with you. It's fine with me. But it's a vacation day. It's my holiday. But I don't know. I mean, would you be OK taking the holiday the next day? Oh, I have. I'm fine. It doesn't bother me. I'm fine. And we're all being covered for my party. I am. And working on the second anyway. No, but if we're having the meeting, I'm coming in. We're lost. I just don't think it's a good precedent. Yeah, I just. A meeting on a holiday. I don't like that. No, no. Why is it a holiday? It's the New Year's. It's the recognize the Monday because the birthday on Sunday, the Monday is. So the holiday closed Monday. Oh, yeah. Just like Christmas is Sunday. But yeah, I'll recognize holiday Monday. Oh, if we're not going to be closed, isn't it? Yeah, it's true. We do have a practice in the past of rescheduling our meetings when they would fall on a holiday. Yeah, this is not just a town holiday. It's a federal holiday and state holiday. Oh, everyone. Yeah. So maybe the ninth and the 23rd. Or ninth, 16th and 23rds. And January is busy for us as we approve. Now, the budget is six. Oh, I'm here on the 16th. When it's not here in the night. OK. What's that? Oh, what? That's the question. That's probably the 16th. Yeah, Martin Luther King. That's a lot of 16th. Yeah, yeah. January's Chuck. Right. Yeah, right. But in all fairness, there's a lot to do with budget. We can just do it. But that's the other weekend. Yeah, the other week. Is that fall a good B.R.B. though? On Tuesday, if we move our meeting for the first. B.R.B. is the first Tuesday. Right. So that's the third. Yeah. So are we looking at moving off of Martin Luther King Day on the 16th? Yeah, we can't do it that. Yeah, yeah. I would say. How about like moving both up a week? Does that make sense? Up a week. What does that mean? I don't know. But I mean, before we go to the 9th and the 22nd or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Will that be sufficient? I won't be here the 23rd of July. We're usually I think we usually have a bunch of meetings in January, don't we? Well, they're only two schedules right now. Well, those are just a regular. Yeah, I was wondering if we have to have our meetings in. We can jam. We haven't always. I mean, there's been times we have, but not always. Usually December is when we have the chock full of meetings. So actually there's a deadline in January for the report. Right. So it's like before and any other reports. It's right around January. The Tom Haley warning. The warning. There's that deadline. Right. Is that the 20th? I haven't gotten the earlier answer on the deadline. It's right around that. It's right around that. Yeah, I'll make it before Tom Haley. What's important for our calculations is our deadline, our state statutory deadline for finalizing the town meeting warning, which is X many days before town meeting. Since town meeting is so late this year, then it might. Is it that late? No, it's not. It's six, six, seven or seven. Is the latest that it can possibly be? It's the first Tuesday in March. I have to break it down with tentatively that that would be finalized by a January 16th meeting. Right. Yeah. And really that was a request from Rosie to, I guess she said in the past, it kind of sometimes goes to the nth hour and that makes her life a little bit more difficult. So that's why we've worked on because she's got to get the pages saying, oh, that's a good point. Yeah, definitely needed by that as well. I would. That is totally she needs things by all I've gotten is mid January. I'm not sure what that date is. What's wrong with the night? Yeah, that's wrong. Yeah, what's wrong with the night? Oh, just jump in the hall of the man. Yeah, it could be someone. You said you were on the night. Not on the 23rd, is that correct? I'm not here on the 23rd. So the issue is, you may have to have that. I can zoom in. We may have to have a meeting before the 20th. I may have to have a subsequent meeting after the 9th, it's the most exciting. Right. But you can't go on the 23rd if you have a death in the 20th. Yeah, I don't know when that deadline is, but I know it's right around it. I'm pretty sure the statutory deadline would be quite late in the month. Because, but if Rosie wants us to do something earlier for her convenience. Well, all I've gotten is mid-January. So that would. So we'd have to plan our stuff by the night. So that's a thing. I mean, 23rd. Can we do something later in the week of January 2nd, like the Wednesday or Thursday? Just throwing that up. Yeah, I'm leaving on the 4th. That's the Wednesday. And Tuesday is out because of DRB, apparently. Yeah, if they have a meeting. But they don't always have. Yeah, it may have to be seen. Because they don't have a lot going on. It's a quiet time, but it's a good point. I don't know whether we count it or not. Let's schedule our meeting for the Tuesday. And they can schedule a different time because they don't have any pressing business. Yeah, right now, I know there's no. Right. OK, so they can schedule it on us. That works for me. That works to me, too. So what is the date now? It's the third. OK, so we're going to do it on the third, and then we're going to do it on the 17th. Well, no, we can't do this. All the 17th of Tuesday. Yeah, because we can't do it on Monday. Right. Because of the holiday. Right. So we're going to do a meeting on the third and the meeting on the night. No, on the 17th, maybe. Which we probably should because of the deadline. Yeah, look. So the third and the 17th. OK. And that gives them the two saying between to have a meeting if they need to have it on Tuesday. Mm-hmm. Correct. Now I'll communicate with the therapy. Yeah, thank you. And Tyson tomorrow. I think that'll work out better. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I'm for that, right? And I won't have to do an English that's better in some ways, but. Well, it's fun to zone. OK. I will email photographs as well. Is it? No, it's not really. No, it was definitely. With that, sometimes you get those zoom meetings. I don't want to. It's hard to do a meeting. Well, I mean, we can do it. But sometimes you're not that good. And all that computer doesn't work. And I could have done a little meeting last time, but I was with my friends. I wanted to be with them. Yeah. Much as I love you all. Oh, thank you. We can have a chance. OK. I think that I think that'll work. Um, what's next on the agenda? Yeah, you are fairly. What's that? OK. How did you guys before that was? Oh, right. Do you have anything else? Yeah. I wanted to maybe raise something perhaps next time we can discuss is Alba funding and whether or how. I mean, I don't know that we want to Alba. The ARPA. Louise Louise. OK. ARPA. I thought you were getting the last thing. Nope. No. Yeah. You got me. Right. Oh my gosh. I think you want to talk about the options. Yeah. And I'm sorry. I was in a meeting the other day and I think I said Alba instead of ARPA. That's why they were looking at me. Can you talk about that? Can you talk about that? I will. We'll make sure to do that. Oh, that's embarrassing. Yeah, we do have some expected that Gina has brought up that may qualify for ARPA funding also. That we may need to use a little bit of that money. Could we maybe have it as an agenda item next time to talk about how we're going to go about deciding what to use the money for and also whether or how we want to go out to the public. Yeah. So OK, great. It's right here. Yeah. Well, I had one other thing. Gina, thank you for setting up the Slack word email addresses for us. And I know that there was a one week deadline to use those links. Has anyone set up their address yet? I'm going to get on it. There wasn't much made, so. OK. I just pasted it into my calendar for tomorrow to try it. I was just wondering if anybody else had done it. I was wondering if I could have done it. OK. Maybe it was the award she did, Ari. You did? And it worked great. Yeah. OK, good. I can check it again after I set it up. Yeah. OK. Well, good job. Yeah. OK. Yeah, good to do that. I got to do it on my iPad, and it didn't work. So I'll just use my computer. Yeah, OK. Sometimes it's glitchy. Right. OK. We're all waiting. Yeah. I'd like to make a motion that we adherence. I was a favorite speaker. Aye. Aye. The aides appeared to happen, they do happen. All right. Did you vote? I voted. Yes. I did. Yeah.