 Welcome back to the breakfast on Place TV Africa. We head straight to our second conversation as we look at the state of the nation. We have a guest in the studio. Here's the founder, one love family, Sat Guru Maharaj. It's good to have you join us this morning in studio. Blessings to everyone. Alright let's look at the state of Nigeria. Top on the list is the fact that if you look around in the northeast you find the issue of this militant groups terrorizing and you know disturbing. You come to the southeast you have the issues of separatists and all of the threats that around. You go to the middle belt you have the clashes, farmer headers clashes as some will call it and all of that. How does that make you feel? Well it's like maybe people are trying their own things but then the problem is the leadership right from the beginning. Man was told to know himself first, seek the kingdom of heaven first. He looked for a kingdom of stomach infrastructure. So gradually we cut away from nature and you cannot satisfy yourself with the things outside. You can only satisfy yourself with the energy that is propelling you for it to be satisfied. So generally it's everywhere all over the world where people are trying to see you know if we build plenty houses we are going to be okay. Whereas what is important is the peace within that we touch the other person. So whatever is happening is not news and the fact is that we are disconnected from our true selves. What would you say is your relationship with the current administration? My relationship has been cordial I've been talking shouting and screaming hey you cannot just present living players from Nigeria to be beaten by a country like Ghana then there's something wrong. So what is happening we need to change our mindset. If you cannot do well stay outside unless somebody else who can do it come up. Yeah but why do you think that's not happening and why do you think they're not listening to your advice? Because you know Nigeria for example is more or less like a green giant and if you go into history they say civilization evolved from Africa Nigeria particularly Southwest who today are facing the bombing fighting from all over the world to hide the idea that civilization started here. Black is nothing. And so when you look at the situation like that people are being induced with money which all kind of juicy things for them to forget that look. Sixth oil producing I mean the sixth oil producing country in the world. We have the raw materials but we our export to the world is not even point one percent of hundred million things that are winner. So it's like our priorities are not there and these priorities cannot be faced except we go back to culture. In the culture of the old Ibu man can touch this flower and turn into what a snake. They are using it to make money all over we go there. Ibu man can do at least and then there's a frog coming out. Why is it not happening now? Because we are chasing the wind, our ghosts. So this is what I'm saying here. We need to go but if we cannot go, how do we save the man? And then we have come to turn the tide against poverty, illness, sickness. Once you know the power inside you be like the bee. The bee is working through nature. The critter gave the bee that one. You have your own, I have my own, here's this one. I happen to be the man, the engineer that will give the knowledge. Once it is there and that's why I've said no war. Doesn't matter whatever it is, it could be shouting. If there's war there, it means that we have not sat down to think whether this life is real. If life is real, you don't need to use any weapon to fight. You give food, you give love, you care. Because what are we looking for, dissatisfaction? Let's do trade by battle if we can do that. All right, so you mentioned leadership has always been the problem. That's why we're here now. So how would you describe the body language of the president in handling insecurity in the country? I mean, you see that there's so much might. Some would say federal might in the South East as compared to prescribing bandits as terrorists. The black man should not follow the white man's way. Yeah, because it is there. That shall not kill. Whether good, right with cow. In the days of old, what we use is to, to be hospitable, to care. And in doing so, nature does demand any laziness, laziness, misadventure. We give everybody the right to do the best. So whatever is going on now, it's wrong to carry a bomb. We are not at work. Why are you bombing? I was against the Musa Yadua when they started bombing the young men, the militants, right? They were not killing. They were touching the equipment here and there. So you don't need to bomb them. All you do is bring them together. Look, where do we go? I'm a father. If my children are not happy, I don't need to bomb them. And I'm not a correct father. I'm crazy. Oh, yes. So we need to bring them up. Except there's a motive behind. And the motive, my friends, I'm telling you, is to eliminate the black race. Let us wake up now. The host motives? Yes, they have been doing it. Who? The Europeans. They want to tell us that the black is stupid. We are not stupid. No, we're talking in this context. Oh, yeah, it's the same. Of course, it's from here. It's part of it. Because here you are, whatever you are using is European. We cannot produce anything. What have we done? You are building the air. So my coming in now is to set the whole thing straight. Look at the power inside you. If you have it, you will never fight anybody again. Because what is needed is an economy that is buoyant. Everybody working hard. Do we have to go abroad? Like even the East, we are talking about. If all he goes here and there, go to the East and begin to work produce, they will find them come like the man on the road is talking. That's what is missing. We have not got to the point of understanding that love is the key. And this love cannot come because there's a fight between the black race and the white race indirectly. Where everything what is coming on road, they will detect what you do. And that's what they're saying to get us. So people must go back to know that look, that have come and gone. Many of them big and small. We are not going to follow the same thing anymore. So are you saying that the whites or some persons outside of our space, Nigeria, probably be giving the president some direction or telling the president what to do? Is that why he's not even the Southwestern? Imagine the Obama and Karen Bible. What is he going to get from there? It's a paper tiger. Is God inside the Bible? Is he inside the Quran? It's not there. It's within you, within you, within me. What we have to do is know so they are driving everybody. The Obama is receiving money. You're Obama checkery. How's everybody to make sure that they sub everybody here. So that's just what I'm saying. Let us go back. If the fraud is not working. Oh yes, we don't have to because just look at nations of the world who went through whatever Nigeria is going through now. One percent of it. Yeah. Nigeria is modern and Nigeria is breathing, moving. Why? Because I am here. I'm saying God is within you. Let's find that God. You're going to be okay. So people say no, what is he saying about? He's not talking about and you know, going abroad. No, we don't need to go abroad to be alive, to walk during the war. We made what we call Odini way or something like that. Where are they now? You have to go ahead. We have to go ahead. We don't have to say Nigerian project must work to work. We have to respect each other. Even the Flanders in the Victoria land in a bad non-Kalaba. They are living but we are talking about the full animal that will go to my farm, kill, destroy the farm, kill everybody there and then when it's taken to the police against me and that's the end. No. Nigeria of that nature is not going to work. We have to clear all of them aside. Well, we have about a year plus before the next elections. Yeah. How do you see that turned in out and what would your advice be to for those who are going to be taken part in the election? We just have to talk to everybody. It is we who have to make the change. The ordinary man on the road, the ordinary man on the street in the offices, leadership starts from there. Accountability. You don't see something wrong and you keep quiet. You don't see what is not to be done. Imagine you are coming on the road and there's another way to facing you. You just have to pack because he might have done something and he wants to die. He's running away. So we have to work together. The police must be there. The army must be there. Each and every one of us. If you want 2023 to be credible and I'm saying this that the INA commissioner must sit up like what is even the elections in a number. How can you hold elections in a place like that? Why are we hurrying up? Let us make peace first. You cannot be there. Me conduct election where people are killing. This one dies today. Just imagine how they killed Chief Akun Yili. Such a man that has been brought up to that level. So elections or no election. I am saying let's Nigerians sit down and think about where we are now and where we are going. Elections will be there forever. Our peace is very important. We need to respect each other. The constitution must be respected. The institutions must work. And the staff from UNI you go to an office. You want a file. You tell the organ. Your file is there. It's in the next building and now later he tells the organ it's not there. It's at home. I need to go and meet him. He's lobbying for something. Why? Because the management of the economy or the leaders managing it are not straightforward. Six way producing country. Today there are people who retire it. I mean retire benefits are not paid. This is where I want the TV, the radio made to focus on. We don't leave them. Evans is a kidnapper. His case is taking 10 years. What for? There's evidence that he has done something. Yeah. Okay. Kanu is there. Detained. The reason I was asking about the elections. We can get back to Namdee Kanu in a bit. The reason I'm asking about the elections is just to judge your or to get your views on what you think Nigerians should have mentally before the elections. There's going to be candidates. There's people who have already started to show themselves as likely to run for the elections in 2023. There are political parties, you know, of course, that you yourself may say, okay, well, this party has done well enough or has completely gotten it wrong. So what is your mindset like in the beautiful day elections? I'm not a category party man. And I've been involved in the last 20 years or so in molding the minds of the people. To know that elections or no elections, we are human beings and we have to respect each other. For me to give you my vote, for you to come and protect me, you must be somebody straightforward. And so the leaders need to check themselves, talk to themselves to realize that they cannot receive Nigeria anymore. I believe in fair and credible elections, but who are those around there? Is the INEC man correct? We need to change him because it's raising a situation where you leave me to go for the election only to say that all my documents were not okay. He doesn't apply to Jam. And our professor, INEC chairman, should see today's kind of little, little, you know, lacuna, they might call it. So that at the end of the day, we sit and feel proud. We don't give him money and then he messes up. So we are all praying for a fair credible elections, but I will give you a condition. Anybody who wants to buy for president's must be cleared by EFCC for 20 good years. A consistency projects that he was involved if you come out as a senator. What did he do with the money here and there before they're allowed to vote come up for elections? He needs to be screened by EFCC. Everybody one by one. All right, so in all of this, what would you say the role of religious leaders should be in, you know, the Nigerian projects that has to work? What should be their role? Religious leaders should turn their religion to farm settlements because they are doping the people. They're telling people to die to go to heaven. They're saying Jesus has done it, Mohammed has done it. I mean, I cannot believe that we have lost Tibi Joshua. With what he has done, can he disappear like that? This is where religion is something that you cannot good enough because it's like. No, we're talking in the context of you have mentioned here that the Nigerian project must work and that's what everybody wants. You have also mentioned here that there's no need to go abroad and we have religious leaders whether or not you know we want to agree. They're different religious leaders. So the question now is what role can they play to move this Nigerian project forward? What can they do to better this country? Right, they should join politics instead of deceiving people that God will help. God has no help. God, Allah, Elohim, Tenet, Tegrammaton, Yahweh is all poo, go for it. Otherwise, hey, the prayer, prayer, prayer, prayer, prayer. What is it? Nothing. People are stealing. Some people go there and throw stones at Satan. Satan becomes stronger again. Nigeria. Look, you go to the market to buy gari, they will put some sodos underneath. They put paper. Some people come and sell you a radio only to find out that they just painted it. The spirits are dead. So religious leaders, I'm not going to go there. The best I can tell them is to what establish farm settlements for their adherents to have something to eat because their jobs have not been done. And there's no way you can blame them. Why? Because hey, you cannot milk a dead cow. Why? One, if we go into history, we spoke Sanskrit at the beginning. In Sanskrit, it was nothing like English, German, French, Yulba. In Sanskrit, the true name of the creator is Muaragi. But then the Europeans brought God, Allah and so on, and wrote books for us to read about them. All I'm saying is that watching plus TV at home cannot give me the interview. I have to be here. Okay? You have to see me here. So if I am following a God that is omnipresent, omnipresent, omnipresent, and I mean we cannot come. What do I do? And that's why I'm introducing a new thing. The religious body should go in a normal way. Now, hey, they are professing Adam, Abraham, and all that. But nothing works. Let us now go, Muaragi. If they are sincere, they should use Muaragi in their prayers. Look, I have something here. Maybe I left at home. Okay, it's here. I cannot be shouting outside. I need this machine called iPhone. The same way, there's something inside you and I. But his name is not God. It's not Allah, no. It's Muaragi. It's within everybody. If you talk, you hear. The Muaragi will answer. Yes, it's derived from Sanskrit, the mother tongue. Muaragi is the one. You don't need to talk. He will listen and guide. Then you talk and give help to the man who is there, a beggar with 20 million in his hand. He's doomed because he doesn't know what to do with it. Rather, he will go and marry and have a house, drink and burn people who are going to go as beggars on the road. The money will disappear because why? He wants to feel fine. He wants to feel good. He doesn't want to know tomorrow. But there's a power inside you and I that knows tomorrow, that can show us the way. So religious leaders today is a diversion. Talking about knowing tomorrow, I remember it was in the news that you had said that the APC will rule Nigeria beyond 2019. It's in a couple of headlines that I had seen. Would you have any such thoughts concerning 2023? Well, what we are seeing now, and I've said it before, even though parties are the maybe the formations of the politicians, but I always believe the individual, yes, individual who can perform. Yeah, I believe that with the experience we had with PDP politicians, now they are crossing carpet here and there. I believe we can still have Nigerians who will do better. If Nigerian leaders can sit down and say we are for Nigeria, we want Nigeria to work, why not? What a mask it is, because you specifically mentioned that the APC will rule further than 2019. But with the way we are seeing now, they need to check them several. So would you say the same beyond 2023 that the APC will still be in law? Well, that one is left for the people with what is going on now. I mean, for example, look at me here saying that you can see God alive. The true name of the creator is Muarajie and they are not listening. Rather, they are using people to give vile propaganda against me. So what is not done in Europe that even we are copying? In Europe, if you can drink beer or even water, and much more than anybody, they will crown you. Why? Because you want to take care of the ordinary person to feel. So today, my thinking is different. I did an elimination on President Muarajie that, yes, this is that, now he's there. But people are crying. The cost of Mechandis is going up. Full stop going up, everything. They need to check up. I do not want to say anything about it. For now, I feel that there's agitation on ground. People are crying. The security is there. So I cannot see whether APC is coming back, except they put on, they correct the situation. So what would now be the solution? Now that you say there's hunger, people are crying, insecurity, there's agitation. We have to continue shouting on the President, writing, we can't keep quiet. Hey, he's carrying the power. We have to continue, because we gave him the power to protect us, not to kill us, not to give us what hunger. Hey, not to give us what unhappiness. So we have to continue. And that is why I'm here, to tell the world that, hey, there's need for us to go beyond what we are practicing, like what we call Africano-crisis. In Africano-crisis, the President must be our 7th. We voted in the governor as our 7th, the commissioner. They have to do it. The money should not be taken abroad. There are many measures being taken to combat crime. Even the banks in all of the places, but Africano-crisis is the best, where the leadership must have knowledge. They have to come for knowledge. If they use MRAI-G, tomorrow we hear that, hey, we have released all detainees. Let us sit down and talk. That is what I am begging for, and I'm working towards. Are you saying that MRAI-G is the solution to Niger's problem? Yes, to the world. How? I mean, I'm the king of kings also, of all hearts. I say you can see the Creator alive. And I'm doing it, find out from many. So they need knowledge. Knowledge. Once they have knowledge, all these arrested, they will stop. They pump money into their corner. The money is there, and it's giving them headache until they understand. They are wasting time. Would you like to still handle the petroleum sector? Petroleum sector? Me? Yes. Maybe what I'm going to do is to pick one of my those who have received knowledge. That's what I'm saying indirectly because, hey, the petroleum is there, but they are messing up with everything, messing up, totally messing up. Millions, millions, you go still. When you're still, then you go to court, and you defend yourself. You disappear. Sometimes they will say that, you know, you have to join, if you're still, and you join APC or PDP, you'll be covered. What a mess. So if you put me there, maybe, hmm, the first thing I would go is to what? Open up factories for unemployed youths to start working. I would just carry all the students, jobless, high school graduates, technical school graduates, university graduates within one week. They are ready. We even draft them into the police. They are, we are short of policemen. But yes, you pay them every, not just us who do it. But you know, because some of the problems that we're faced with right now is as a result of the fact that we just, you know, just draft people into the police without the necessary training. I mean, it's a very sensitive, it's a very sensitive, you know, part of the country, you know, body of government. And as such, you can't just, you know, chunk anybody or just push anybody in there. Of course, there will be crash programs. 30 days, one month, two, two months, they will be Nigerians. Okay. Nigeria, they are the best. Anywhere you go, I'm telling you this, only that the leaders are very selfish, very greedy, very partial, and they should give way for those who will come up to do it. It could be from those that are there now. If they agree, things will change. What is it? To write your name or plant your name on the sand of time in gold is not ordinary. You know, just imagine the attorney general saying that comparing the people dying by what heads meant to spare pass, not going to the North. You mean that he carried the degree, he doesn't have the wisdom. He doesn't have the feeling of what is going on. We are not against anybody, but we cannot sit down, six oil producing country leading in this world, and we are going to ask for loan. In 1974, we were loaning the IMF money from Nigeria. Nigeria was giving them a life in 1974. Now, this year, now we are asking for loan from abroad. Why? Because Nigerians have lost the vision of the founding fathers. They have lost it completely. Oh, yes, my phone. I bought it for 600. I'm driving with a proof car. Is that all? What about those who are making the cars? In America, you can't mess up and stay in power. Whether you're a clerk, whether you're a manager, whether you're content with business, man, the same way in Europe, in Nigeria, even if you see, your name will be coming in the first page. There are many, many, many criminals who are inside the House of Assembly making loans. Their cases are there. What is EFCC doing? Is it trying to say, look, this one is untouchable on that way? So we did the divine government. The divine government were Bwari, Sa'ulu, all the governors, they will receive knowledge because that is what changed America, Europe. They used the masters of the time, the knowledge they were giving. We are talking about peace, universal peace. There's no way you can do it if you are not able to give and give as a leader by listening to all and using them to achieve that goal is a mess, such a leader. The founder, one love family, Satguru Maharaji, it's been very interesting to begin with you and we say thank you for Grace and our studio. It's nothing I've forgotten. We are having Golden Age Festival in Ibadan from the 19th to the 17th of this month. Nine days of prayer year meditation, anybody who comes there enters that village, I cannot show you here. For the next 13 years, nothing can take his life or her life. From the 19th to 17th November in Maharaji village Ibadan, I love the express food. We are asking you to come. 13 years, nothing shall happen to the person. The son of Mahadev is manifested there. All right. I think that's where we will be wrapping up this morning, Satguru Maharaji. Thank you very much once again for joining us and being a part of the breakfast. 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