 Winston Welch, Cynthia Sinclair. Welcome to the show you guys. Let's talk about let's talk about Coronaville today. There's a lot happening on Coronaville and some of it you know would would make you happy but other other things would not. So Tim there was an issue that was raised recently and I wrote to you about it what was that? Well I think one of them was that well there was tax breaks for hate groups. We have a lot of different emails going back and forth. Okay so I'm talking about Coronaville. I'm going to prompt you the state is not going to do contract tracing. How about that one? Yeah that was quite remarkable. Well it just goes to show you that when Fed funds go away the the earnest efforts to curtail COVID-19 in the state go away. So it's a it's a tit for tat. If I have the Fed dollars then we'll work on it. If we don't have Fed dollars then it's not that important. Contact tracing is extremely important especially where our numbers are at. I mean our numbers are low enough where contract tracing actually will work. Yeah if you have say hundreds of people coming down with the infection contact tracing may be futile in this state but if you have less than a hundred which is what we've been having lately then contract tracing is really important and it can it can really flatten the curve. So they you know I forget the name of the new epidemiologist. Her first name is Sarah. She says you're going to cut them cut them back now. I'm not sure that's for saving money or that she said there wasn't enough work for them. They were not they were not fully engaged. Is it really that's interesting. Who are they working for? If they're working for the state government and they're not fully engaged it means the state government is not using them is not instructing them and spending their time. Quite remarkable. At the same time there have been articles about the mainland where there aren't enough contact tracers and they have hundreds of cases and they can't keep up with it and they need to bring in contract tracers but they can't and there's no national policy to equalize either on contact tracers or on healthcare in general. So you have a place with too many and a place with too few no equalization no national policy. I think what happens is you get the numbers get so high that contract tracing is almost impossible. I just listened to Governor Newsom from California his his announcement about the lockdowns and an interesting tact that he's taking is he's looking at the percentage of ICU beds available and if they hit 15 percent then that particular region of California will go into a lockdown scenario and so I've never seen it look looking at ICU beds as a as a barometer. Yeah well speaking of which Stephanie you've been following the Supreme Court on COVID it's really distinguished itself lately. If you were wondering whether they were you know trying to help the country or not I don't think you have to wonder anymore at least not on COVID. You know they ruled they ruled a couple of times in favor of religion over COVID said you know you can conduct a big religious experience and not and and you don't have to don't have to comply with state requirements on gathering but you know Kevin Newsom in California is probably a good example of where the Supreme Court's going. They ruled recently you know last day or so about his his order to what is it I think it's to wear masks or gathering and there was a there was a district court order that enforced that and they turned that over so the Supreme Court is ruling against agencies in the states who would try to stop COVID. You've been following this? Well a little bit yeah I have I mean I'm just so perplexed by it but on the on the obviously you know the conservatives are ruling in favor of religion and against any restrictions on liberty. So even in the face of Fauci's on right now saying the US has now hit the record numbers for all all things the cases the hospitalizations and the deaths we're over the top now and this doesn't seem to have any impact on the principles that are guiding that these people are ruling by because if it's to default to individuals then making the right decisions to not go into the packed church then then we're lost I mean they're lost so we're going to lose those people and I know that to California and other places that are running out of ICU room so now they're converting the recovery rooms where into COVID areas too but eventually we're going to run out of doctors and nurses and the only reasonable suggestion recommendation that I've heard that evidently was mentioned earlier is to please bring in Chinese doctors we need to bring in medical people from other parts of the world to come in and service and take care of all these patients because if it's okay to go get yourself infected and we're obligated to the problem with these Chinese doctors is they're all communist pinkos who cares they need work to bed that's it who cares Tim is shaking his head on you what did you want to add to that Tim well you know when the pandemic first came out we were taking in airplane shipments of PPEs from Russia yeah you know this goes to the the point that are how did you know the UK get this vaccine before the United States we're falling behind in so many areas in the world and we're almost becoming a second-rate nation versus a first a first-rate world nation and here we are talking about bringing in doctors from a foreign country and here we are talking about the lack of PPEs and getting them from of all places Russia uh just listen to the you know listen to that news line story I mean you know what you don't hear is that doctors are retiring they had enough already in six or seven months of this kind of high high pressure but the press is not reporting that because they don't want to everybody racing for the door well they really good they really have the resources and also they should be facilities or the doctors right but also that the downside of getting COVID because one of the things that's keeping people moving and just being also fatigued by this and tired of it but the young people that get it have tremendous after effects so there's still not enough information out there about who gets what and what happens to you as a result of this vicious bug so it's not just dying let all the people old people die so we can go to the bars and have our fun the point is that once you get it you've got complications and um underlying conditions for the rest of your life it looks like well let me go to you about a big thing that happened this week and that was that the UK upstaged us you know this is the greatest cut my mother always told me that this is the greatest country in the world um and the UK um you know for whatever reasons whatever process they're delivering either today or next couple of days and maybe next Monday as I they're delivering um the uh Pfizer which is at least half of an American company and half the German company and by the way the the two scientists that developed the vaccine that that Pfizer is selling are Turkish German they're from Turkey I just love that story they're immigrants and there are people in Germany that oppose them because they're Turkish and they're immigrants in any event okay we have this we have this um Pfizer um half American vaccine but we're not distributing distributing that yet how do you feel about that Cynthia I mean is there a good reason foul she had a reason maybe you can articulate it well I don't think it's a big deal just because UK came out and you know put theirs forward and gave their approval before we did it's this isn't a race we're gonna say against other countries this is a race against a virus that is attacking everyone in every country so who cares if UK came up with it first I don't care I still don't really trust any of it because it happened so fast but you know I I believe about you when he says that no corners were cut and you know it was all just fast tracked but no corners were cut but the press has reported that they were not looking at the raw data they were taking the word of Pfizer and what's it bio bio N tech without looking at the raw data but the CDC looks at the raw data and that means our process takes a little longer so some people have said that in defense of the CDC and Trump has been chasing the CDC around about it I'm not sure that's gonna have any effect but you know it all sounds like more chaos to me uh so you know Winston what you know what is going on with this all these um these vaccines and and you know at the same time the the back the back side of this is we have plenty of coverage about anti-vaxxers and the chaos sort of results in an increased number of people stepping forward and saying you first I'm not going to do this right now um and of course then you hear from you know the experts and they say well no you've got to have what is it 60 of the people in a given community or country or the world you know vaccinated before it would be effective as a you know herd immunity um so where are we on this how comfortable are you are you going to step forward you're going to wait for Fauci to go on national tv or Joe Biden to go on nationally be tv and take take the vaccine well we're down to 49 days in the sahara maybe 48 at this point so i remember you know the reality is that you're seeing a little bit of in the absolute complete absence of anything from the white house that the i mean we had some positive news is that scott atlas who was a what was he a chiropractor or a pediatrician designed as uh trump's coronavirus advisor he was a do is doctor of osteopathy is what and i love osteopaths but he had no experience in infectious disease or managing this so the fact that that even the pretense is gone with that we're not hearing wasn't jared in charge of the coronavirus task force and then wasn't uh mike tense the czar or something all that's just all that pretense is gone so you have deba birks and the cdc basically just uh i think they've been given free reign now and you had her come out and say did you travel over Thanksgiving you have coronavirus you have to assume you do do not go to your grandma's or your auntie's house without a mask and you need to be tested so we there was no um no filter on that no one telling us that we have to inject our veins with bleach and you know that was just from her in the meantime we had 31 over 3100 people die yesterday of covid i mean this is i think about 3100 people dying if they were if this was a school or a plane or um you know any any number of these things this is a real virus it's actually going on as far as the safety and efficacy of the drugs goes we'll see about the efficacy over time but for safety these pharmaceutical companies have a very strong vested interest in making sure that they are safe and effective because if they don't no one's going to be taken any other kind of vaccines coming down the pike whether it's from polio or meningitis or all the other things that we've been protected from with vaccines so personally yes i will get a vaccine i'll probably get two i'll get i'll get a Pfizer and a moderna i don't know or whatever the the the companies are i'm not an anti that may not be advisable but i do not well you know what i got you gotta think about it like i got the two shingle shots i got the first one and then i got the shingrix when it came out so i would rather be over vaccinated than not but let's just say for right now every person gets one and uh each each one person gets two shots out of that so you know and they're rolling this out slowly the fact that the british got it first good for them you know the and and the fact that our our system is is a little slower or needs to um you know check things this whole process has been extremely fast tracked we can't know for certain there are going to be some side effects it's it's inevitable but is that is that the main thing we need to focus on no that we need to focus on that this vaccine will hopefully uh protect us from the virus and we do need 70 so we need to buy in so it needs to be right and the and the pharmaceutical companies have a really strong interest in making sure that's true regardless of what our government says you know tim we we we did have a very interesting exchange of email on one one thing that winston raised and that is um you know we don't really know how this is going to work when it's when it's out there in the in the community and one possibility is you if you have if you are you writing this down stephanie if you have covid if you have covid and you take the vaccine what happens does that make it worse or better or the same um you know remember that none of them are more than 95 percent you know effective could it be the missing five percent are the people who already have covid uh any any discussion of that what is what is happening on that issue well i think they don't know for sure if now think of all the americans that have recovered from covid think of all the americans that had covid that didn't know they had covid and you know um think about to what degree do they have antibodies in their system and then compare that to the vaccine and so they think that there will be no you know no adverse effects but they really don't know and they didn't study that specifically so that's a little disconcerting just a bit it's certainly not enough to raise any red flags to say this is a reason not to take the vaccine but uh you would think that um they had thought of that and and actually explored it maybe they have and i just i'm not aware of it i haven't seen in a new story but um yeah it makes you kind of scratch your head knowing well what does happen you know yeah okay well you know one of the thing for you tim is so we have Pfizer uh which i i'm just dazzled with the fact that two turkish immigrants designed that vaccine and it's going to change probably change the world or save the world moderna out of out of massachusetts somewhere and astrazeneca which i think is a european company also with um i'm saying again i thought it was swiss swiss sounds right um so here we have the three and um you know like like winston you'd be inclined to take take the the vaccine but which one and suppose you're opposed you know you watch tv because there's so little else to do these days it's stink tech and watching movies on tv we can talk about that but in between the movies they have all these ads right for every single drug you never heard of you know but by the carload i mean sometimes you have a five minute you know a five minute segment with nothing but drug ads that you never heard of well you know i i guess you could predict that when these things all you know hit maturity fiser moderna and astrazeneca they'll all be in the ads so you're going to see the ads with all the warnings along with all the other medicines which ones are you going to take and and suppose some of them will suppose all of them are available what do you do what do you do in terms of choosing because they're not necessarily all the same in their effect well that's a great fully loaded question jay and i guess if you're a healthcare worker the answer is it's what the hospital will buy for you to take for free um you know if you want to pay out of pocket for some other alternative vaccine i'm sure that that option's available i would think that moderna might be a little bit easier to administer because it doesn't have to be kept at such cold temperatures than the fiser product uh it's interesting to see how how those uh these vaccines are kind of going to compete with one another in the open marketplace um at some point hospitals will be the same price will that they won't be the same price of course not of course not so um it's a great question and you know i guess i'll pick the one that hopefully you'll go have side effects on the label and you'll read the one with all the side effects and which ones are the the minimalist side effects versus ones that are going to cause you you know uh you know an arm drawn out of your head or something so i don't know you know you know at home we don't we like the uh the subscript you know we we turn the titles on so you watch a movie even if it's in english and you can see it you can see the words they got to do that for these these ads where they give you the warnings i want to see the titles i want to see the language hey you know i just want to say one thing about the developers of the fiser vaccine the um the two doctors from turkey they're billionaires and they still live in their same apartment in istanbul and they have no reason or or any desire to uh move it on up so to speak so i think that's pretty amazing that they you know they're dedicated to their mission and money really doesn't have all that allure to them and they're still living in their original apartment yeah they're really they're global heroes they should get an award or a Nobel prize or something uh so uh stefanie you know the uh cdc with its uh what do you want to call it struggling credibility it's still struggling as far as i'm concerned they reduced the quarantine period um and and i still haven't figured out maybe you guys know the answer whether it's uh two seven days or ten days or seven yes that's right yeah so can you talk about that what why did they do that and how does it affect us well i think well i mean as far as i understand the directions are you can go to a week if you've got a test that shows your uh negative and otherwise you go to tan so i guess it has to do with when it is that the symptoms show because that's the trend is that the symptoms people can be exposed and not show any symptoms until the 10th day uh although other show on the second day but i think they've nailed down the curve for where it is that the extent the extent of the time period for expressing these symptoms so um but most people do it at four if you don't usually most the 64 of the population do it at the at the fourth day anyway so i think that that is brilliant and i think it's late because i think that they knew a lot about this before i've heard a lot about it over months and that that has been a huge stumbling block especially for hawaii i mean that 14 day quarantine is a hardship out here for anybody i mean you can't i mean people don't even go on vacation for 14 days i mean they come here and they face a quarantine and i don't have an effect in hawaii won't it it's a huge effect i think people are going to want to come now because they can maneuver around that and uh i know i was in a hotel in waikiki a couple a month or so two months ago i mean they were really harassing everybody like oh are you here on quarantine are you quarantine it was constantly all the service people were reminded so that was a good thing that they were participating in making sure people were in the quarantine but anyway i believe it's a little late but it is going to benefit hawaii because people could face uh the week with a test and we got to make sure that demi here's about this i hope you're going to write him a short note about let him let him know that he can reduce the quarantine well i think Cynthia i want to talk to you um about redfield and about others who have said this is going to be a bleak winter um the worst winter imaginable uh tautchi has said that also so what i don't understand is so you have the vaccine coming out and okay it's not here yet but it should be here what in early december maybe at least in small doses and and still they say it's going to be a really tough winter uh how do you reconcile those things how do you feel about the winter and by the way let me add footnote is that your friend Pompeo is having a christmas party with 400 people and of course they're not they're not as to wear masks he's a really special guy um people are going to do that sort of thing so how do you feel about this being a tough winter well i think that tautchi's exactly right i think redfield is right on the money because we added a million cases okay in six days six days in the beginning it took us you know six weeks to add a million cases i think it was even more than that right it's so the further we go the the more we add in shorter period of time so it's just expanding exponentially so fast three that like like winston said three thousand people died yesterday alone in a hospital that just and we're breaking records every single day i hear we broke another record we broke another record and so it's not just what fautchi and redfield are saying the data bears out to that too and people that aren't paying attention i mean you you have to be shocked unless you're not paying attention at all and in regards to the the vaccines there's actually two different kinds of vaccines one has that mrsa or mrna excuse me that um memory stuff it's it's supposed to teach the cells in your body to remember what that virus is so that you can go out and fight it in a stronger way whereas the other some of the other vaccines are just straight old school vaccine um technology so there's only i think it's just moderna and visor on biotech that that have this mrna vaccine so that'll be a choice not so much who the manufacturer is or even the price or even the the side effects but actually that the technology of the of the vaccine itself yeah we're gonna find we're gonna find out more about that and i i i would i would predict that one of them will emerge as the one everybody wants you know but you may not have your choice about that so Winston um you know let's talk about um the republicans in congress let's talk about uh getting relief from covid let's talk about um some kind of new cares bill let's talk about what you know what's happened here since may when the democrats uh try to do something over two trillion dollars and nothing has happened since what are the prospects for the nine hundred million dollar bill that the house recently passed what are the prospects in the in the senate are we going to see anything before the end of this administration didn't uh oh who's the awful one mitch mcconnell the worst one didn't he say that that was job number one was passing some corona virus relief bill after the elections so this is you know under a trillion dollars nine hundred and sixty billion or something nine hundred and eight nine hundred and eight i won't give or take a hundred billion after a while that's just after a while exactly billion year billion and the stock market hit new record highs so you know we're obviously not worried about that on some level the people that think about all this stuff in the meantime we're having janet yeltsin appointed because you're going to be our new lady-in-chief of the the dough which is uh you know the the world's moving on and it's it's accounting for corona virus it's accounting for vaccines coming out uh it'll pass because the republicans want to get something out if nothing else just to save georgia or to try and save georgia although i don't know if that strategy is going to work and they realize that their constituents are actually hurting what did i think uh joe biden said it was a down payment on um relief that we needed to have or something akin to that so obviously when he takes over the the the pipes are going to open up as much as possible and i don't know how he's going to accomplish that but it'll be in a some bipartisan fashion i actually the um you know i mean i think he's he's being very cautious in who he's picking so i i um i'm interested to see how this is going to roll out but he he we're going to find out on january third after the georgia elections how much how much leeway he gets in things because otherwise he's going to face a really obstruction as congress the other thing is that you know astrazeneca they had the accidental release of their vaccine that showed when they gave it in two equal doses it was only effective 60 of the time but when they gave a much uh a smaller dose a half dose for the first injection they reached 90 uh efficacy so they should i don't believe it was accidental i think that they really need to be experimenting with a lot of different types like do we give twice as much for the second one or the first one or whatever we're going to get 20 million doses in america from moderna this year and 50 million by the end of the year this year so that's going to cover a lot of health care workers nursing home folks but it's they're spaced out by a month too now that's not going to count for and that has been a lot of the health care desk is is is older people especially in homes but it's not all of them it's just a lot of them we're going to see a huge number literally of probably hundreds of thousands dying before the end of january so we have to buckle our seat belts and no i think probably this next week is just going to produce horrific numbers as thanksgiving starts to spread and before christmas it's just going to be it's going to be awful so these vaccines johnson johnson's coming out with a one-shot vaccine they're they're looking by february so there's different things coming down the pike but also you you mentioned about which shot do you take we don't get a choice when you go to the doctor to get your flu shot i don't think he has it or she has a choice i think they just give you the shot that they have in the pharmacy the same for for shingricks you know there's one shingrik shot um and you mentioned about if people have covid right now should they get it it looks like all of their antibodies disappear within six or eight months anyway so i would say they probably should get it to train the body like uh synthia was saying with the mrna that that maybe this um you know all of us of a certain age did have chicken pox but we're still supposed to get the shingricks because of that so even though we have the virus in our bodies we need the the protective one of the reasons that it takes you know 10 years customarily well yeah that's right and you need to re-vaccinate scenarios and i suggest to you that we go into this now with actually deploying the the various vaccines um that's really phase four that's phase four trials involving millions of people and and we're gonna have to learn about all of these questions and Moderna Moderna and Pfizer have not released their phase three test results yet we have to remember that so we're all guinea pigs in this together but um well Pfizer gave their test results to the cdc for the phase three because usa today yesterday said they hadn't given out their their face maybe not to the public yeah maybe not to the public but they may request on November 20th for emergency approval they would have had to give everything including the raw data yeah and like i said they have a vested interest in this and as i said months ago you know this is not an american effort this is a worldwide effort a million chinese people have already received their sino sinovac uh shots russians have been getting theirs so it's it's out there you agree that uh you agree with stefanie we ought to bring chinese doctors in if we did not have foreigners staffing our healthcare system it would absolutely collapse open the doors bring in the qualified people pay them well they are working under unbelievable conditions right now and wherever they're from they are welcome in my nation okay all right so tim i want to turn to something that winston um just mentioned in passing and that is the political side of this this is a kind of trump mini me uh person who has blonde hair and wears ball caps who was talking yesterday and he was he was telling the republicans in georgia uh not not to come down not to vote uh in the runoffs in georgia on january fifth i thought that was fairly bizarre but how do you think that's all going to go what what are the chances that those runoffs will you know turn control of the senate to the democrats would be a wonderful thing but remember everybody's in there spending money and pulling strings well there's now four days of registration left in georgia and i know that the effort to get more and more people even beyond the november third election to register is going to make a huge impact and i think the counterpoint is the the trump mini me i forget his name he's not doing anyone any favors and by the fact that he's um saying don't trust don't trust the election and therefore don't don't vote for these two senators it's because um the the governor and the secretary of state aren't agreeing with donald trump so it's a scorched earth policy working against the republicans i can't figure it out i really can't one more question before we you know go for last words here um is this um you know trump is a wall right now all he's doing is grumbling and making 46 minutes uh diatribes in the white house you know of no consequence to anybody that the media is not even reporting it really they're not showing you any of the tapes of it um so my question is uh you know what wouldn't we be better off if he were doing something um he's a wall he's he's completely he's better than it is well jay i i get i get your question before you even uh finish it and here's my here's my evidence when george bush barack obama and bill clinton have to come out and say we're going to be the poster child for taking this vaccine to counteract the anti-vaxxers the anti-trump disbelievers of covid 19 uh there's no other way to say this that's one hell of a statement that's one hell of a public relations um maneuver to address our covid 19 problems i mean i find it absolutely ridiculous that they have to step in and fill the void because donald trump is m i a missing in action okay let's go for last words stephanie what do you want to leave people with what's the i want to say that the military say he ought to be he ought to be charged with dereliction of duty it's dereliction of duty right now he's doing nothing second of all the point i think made by synthia the rRNA in europe the the moderna it's not moderna it's m and then there's a slash rna because it's ribonucleic acid and that is a part of dna which is de oxy ribonucleic acid so that's the new way of doing vaccines so all of the vaccines are going that's different from polio and smallpox and all of this now there's not not any of those kinds of dangers with this particular vaccine but i did hear about that and i thought that was interesting and important to understand that we are taking on something new in our bodies and it's supposed to be effective and actually safer so hopefully we're going to study that going forward yeah what do you want to leave with people i oh gosh i have two things and they're short i promise the first is i don't know is i think that doctors and nurses should be the first ones to get this if there is a problem those are the last people we need to be out there and having a problem that worries me a lot okay i don't think trump is m i a just because we don't see him does not mean he's not doing anything he is a busy boy running around the white house destroying all you know incriminating evidence just very scorch-earth policy plan to leave biden with a bunch of excuse my language crap a big pile of nothing so that he doesn't even get to hit the ground running he has to hit the ground and undo all of the nonsense that trump is trying to pull right now so with just because we don't see him doesn't mean he's not doing anything good point winston well going back just yeah the next 48 days we we just need to keep a mind over there at the tantrum happening but there's nothing we can do about it at the end of the day biden's going to come in he's going to have to just throw everything off the table find a clean surface to work on and go from there because that's what he's getting anyway but as i've said for many many months rely on yourself help your neighbors see who needs you to go to cosco or safeway wash your hands wear your mask exercise individual personal responsibility because that's all we got right now our state has stepped up a little bit our city has had great testing but at the end of the day it's up to you to do the best that you can individually and that will bleed out into society because we're not going to get a lot of help from other areas as far as control of this virus that i'm seeing nationally um and you know okay in in in other ways thank you winston tim um close for me will you what should we i'll keep this really sure because i'm sure time is an issue make haste january 20th but then trump's going to be running around just trying to make everything as miserable as he can as you stephanie thank you synthia thank you winston aloha you guys next week or rediscovering america on wednesday aloha