 So if you want to tell me about it, okay, basically, what happened was I got a got a contract with we got a contract with the Marine Corps. Yeah, I went to I went to my distributor and ordered my product. I was one of the first people to the table to get the get the pricing for it. So when I came to pricing for it, I was given a price that was that was way lower than what than what it really was a mistake on their end. So everyone else who applied got the right price. So they had a higher price, of course, and then I won the bid because my price was incorrect. Now, when you say everyone else that apply got a higher price. How is that? Well, no, no, no, no, not saying they got a higher price. They quoted me the incorrect price initially. But how do they do that? I'm not sure they said it was an interim said it was an issue on their side. And that's why they met they worked out a deal with me to try to give me a discount on some of the product. Once they once I tried to order it later on, they told me this is this price was incorrect. We're sorry we made a mistake. And now they're trying to give that they went ahead and push it through which the VP and everything and got me some pricing discounts to keep them to kind of level it out to make it more make me steal competitive. But yet not. So who is the company that you got pricing from? It was Dale. You got it from Dell. You got from a third party vendor. No, they'll directly they'll federal. It was a quoting issue. It's something wrong with their quoting tool. They quoted me wrong initially. So it was a it was a it was a customized bill for for for some high class and high performance laptops. So the bill information they got sent over them didn't send over them correctly from Ingram. They quoted wrong back to Ingram and Ingram told me the wrong price. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You said you got it from Dell. Now who's Ingram? Ingram. Ingram is the it's my distributor. Okay. So that's what I'm saying. That's why I asked you to get it from Dell. But how did you? No, no, the Dell federal works with Ingram. Right. So you got it from Ingram. I got the price from Dale through Ingram. Because Ingram orders the actual bill from Dale. So Dale gave me the wrong information back to Ingram. So what I took took us to the customer to the end user was the wrong price. No, no, I get that. I'm trying to figure out because normally when you do order these kind of things, you get it from a distributor. That's why I'm confused is how you got it from because you keep saying you got it from Dell, but then you really didn't get it. You got it from Ingram. Okay. Yeah. Your quote says, what does your quote say on it? Ingram is Ingram. Right. They'll federal, you know, so yeah, we got to be clear. Okay. If you pay, if you write a check, who are you going to write your check to? It's going to be Ingram to get to pay there. All right. There you go. So Ingram got the wrong price from Dale. Yeah. Yeah. And you have it in writing. The price was wrong. No, no, no. You have the price, the quote in writing. Yes. The original quote is in writing. See what happened was they originally ordered 18 of them. Who did? Marie Court? Marie Court did. Okay. So then they had, because they had that 32 gig option and 64 gig option. Yep. So what ended up happening was they said, when they first asked for the 18, I got the wrong price on the 18. So when I went back to get the 55, when they wanted 58 of the 64, they told me we can't honor this price that we gave you for the 18 for the 54 at the time. So they basically told me that I couldn't, that the price wouldn't, wouldn't, even though the quote was still supposed to be good, they told me they couldn't give me that price. So I fought with Dale and basically that, well, through Ingram we fought with Dale and they basically were like, we can, we can try to push something through cut through there with you, the 18 at that price. That's what, this is what ended up the end, end all be alls that they gave me the 18 for the price they originally put. Okay. Okay. But the other 40 they gave me for the regular price as opposed to everybody else who came later at those amended and they, they beat it. They got the regular price all the way through all 50, all 58. You understand what I'm saying? All right. So the task order was to provide 18 of one and 40 of another set. Well, no, it was supposed to be 58 total. Okay. So 58 total. So then why did you say, why did they give you 18 at the right price? I mean at the, at your, at the, your quoted price, the original quote was for 18, then it got up to 55 when it got refreshed, 58, whatever. Okay. So the government originally put it out for only 18. Yeah. And then they updated that to go up to 58. Yes. Okay. So that was, so you got a quote for 18. Yeah. The government said, okay, we want to buy more was that they issue a PO or for the 18 or no, never just, no, that just during a process of the, during the process. Yeah. Okay. Or the process of the solicitation, they went and changed the amended it. They amended it. Okay. Before they ever awarded anything, right? Yeah. Okay. Good. Okay. So now we've got our price for 18 of these items. The government says, Hey, we want 58 now, right? Yeah. Okay. So then you go back and say, all right, go back to Ingram and say, look, we need the quote for 58. Yeah. Right. And then they gave you a revised quote that showed 58 quantity for X dollars. Yes. Okay. So let's talk. How much was it? How much were they? Where they were the 18 or the original. Originally they, originally they told me there was 1800 for the, for the, for each laptop. Okay. That was the mistake. 1800 per. Okay. And then they came back and told me that it was a, but later on when I went back, they told me that there was, the bill was incorrect. So they told me the price was actually 4,000. That's before any markups, by the way. I mean, I can see why you won, right? Exactly. That's really, there's no brainer now. Yeah. Of course I would, you know, I, I'm at half the price. Yeah. And now I have to go back and tell them the bad news. So I'm like, I'm, I'm feeling like I'm scared. It's going to happen. I don't know. So. All right. They quoted you 1800 from anger. For, for the 18 or for the 58. 18. And when I went out and went out, but I'm sad for the 58. And writing on a piece of paper. What did they quote you? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The price was good for the same different quantity. So I was told. That's what I was told. No, well you haven't writing. They see me. They send me a spread sheet with it on there. What do you have in writing for your quote? Well, the last quote I got was before the 18 man, they told you 100 bucks a piece, right. Did you have the question? I said it was good, the quote, the price was good, good for the same different quantity. So I was told that's was I was told. No, what are you having, writing. 800 I got a quote back for that and once I got that one back now we didn't run into no any issue until after I any issue until I I went to go have it ordered So when I went I know I know but I'm saying again if Right now In writing you have a quote for 18 of these at 1800 bucks I have a quote I have a quote for 50 58 open for that surprise as well No, you didn't say that you don't have it. You said you said they told you it was still good for 58 Yes, the same quality was still good for that. Yes But did they have but in on writing on a piece of paper if you had to show somebody Does it say the 58 for each 800 bucks with a total amount? No, it doesn't yeah That's what I'm afraid of because I mean even if uh, because you know if these people If they hadn't given you that they I they would have honored it because You could I mean you could sue them for for that Well, what they what they said was what here? Del CTO does have a rule today. They pretty much got lawyers and pretty much like hey, whatever happens happens Sorry price could change at any time. So that's not that they no, no, that's not true That I disagree with that if they give you a writing 58 times 1800 Which is a dollar amount Then they would honor that price I disagree Well, that's the reason why they were able they went ahead and did what they did on the back end though No, they're just I mean to that that's just them being nice um I'm telling you And and again, like I said when I came into the conversation I already kind of suspected this but I you know, I want to hear it out It's very rare that I find a case where someone has something that's written in stone and writing That the companies go back and change Very very rare that that happens. So that's why I was that's why I get I mean, I'm happy you told me the whole story I was listening. Well, what I was told by Ingram was that the price When they quoted the price it's just a bill and they tell you to build the same 18 18 Thing was the same for 58. So they say the price But I and I agree with you, but let me ask you this. Do you have it in writing for the 18 at 1800 dollars? Yes, okay, so you could get the same thing for the 58 That's what I was supposed to be. That's what I was told. Yeah. No, not what you were told You should have the same I need a document that says 58 times 1800 equals this is the amount that I'm paying you guys plus freight taxes shipping handling dot dot dot dot dot dot Like I said, you ordered off amazon. Okay. Okay. You get what I'm saying. So, um Listen I think that You know, you did a good job. I don't think you did a bad job. I'm not knocking you I'm happy You know part of going through this stuff is having these kind of experiences. So I'm not, you know in any way Condemning what you did. I learned what you're saying. No, no, I think you did a great job I'm not I think that So, you know, again because a lot of people don't put their self out there at the end of the day Again, like I said, if you could you you could only fulfill the 18 um And you can't fulfill the other 40 of them then um You know, I mean, that's what it is. That's all you could do. You can't But I have I had the p.o. So I got the p.o. I signed the p.o And now 58 For 58. Yeah, so basically now they're I have to contact them today until I mean you can't you can't honor it because um of Let me ask you something. I mean you are they willing to give you something a writing saying acknowledging they made a mistake No Why not if everyone told you this they told you that they're trying to help you out They it's a computer error Are they willing to give it to you in writing so you could go back to the the government and acknowledge that Probably them. I probably could get something from Ingram. Not probably could you hey I would say Kids I would get on the phone my Ingram guy and say hey look, I you know, I can't go back to the government um and good face and state that um You know, this was a this you guys error or I'm it because it's going to appear. There's no I made the error So without anything in writing from you guys, how could I go back to what leverage do I have to go back to them to ask for Because I mean you you're not going to eat it Yeah, so so tell me this though. What what so what should I when I go back to them Will they do they usually re reacons Chancellor P on reissue it or will they just why would they do that? I don't I don't they could possibly want to do what if that was your strategy to bid low To go back and get the contract so you can go back and pump the price up What what is my strategy? What if that was your strategy? Oh, that's not my strategy. No, no, no, but how do they know that? I agree That's the issue people some people have a strategy of going in underbidding the job Just so they can once they win the job they can go back and bump the price up Okay, so so so they won't so you don't think they'll really do it or just cancel it. You think I think that you should get a letter from Ingram Acknowledging the error That you can take back to someone. Um your your point of contact at the government That person has someone to answer to That person has someone to answer to and um Your word means nothing What's in writing is what holds all the weight Okay, so my recommendation is go back to Ingram Um and Dell have someone write you up something if they're even willing to do that which I Uh, you know, I suspect they won't but it's definitely um if if everything that you're saying is true and that they um committed to Providing 58 at this price and at the same time they agree Right now is that they made a mistake and they erred because of the computer glitch whatever the case may be then they should not have uh any reservations about Coming forward in a letter a statement Saying that this is what happened. This would occur um And that we do not hold this particular person responsible Because he provides he was given misinformation and therefore he passed on misinformation and they can they now Um, can no no they cannot or no longer Honor the price that was originally quoted Okay so So if if if for some reason so is there any in the past? Have you ever seen where they've redone the p.o. Or do they just they don't they don't ever do that Okay, so let's look at it from the government standpoint. I'm the government guy You come to me and say you tell me your story. That's the same thing you told me And I go, okay, mr. Siemens not a problem. I said, um I respect that What evidence do I have that they made a mistake? Okay, you know if I am able to get that evidence. Well, you think what can happen from there How about let's get the evidence first Yeah Let's get there for minutes I mean if you if you don't have the evidence You're just telling the story Okay, so what what what's the worst-case scenario that you've seen in the past that if so if I was I mean the worst-case scenario they cancel the contract It's okay What will I just ban the board or anything like that? Something like this? No, it won't be the board Okay, I mean, I mean they're not gonna do business with you that particular um, but again, that's a The marine corpse. This is one division within of A whole battalion. I just don't want to look stupid. That's my main thing because I still can deliver this I just Yeah, listen, I'm gonna tell you something. I would not tell you to eat that difference There's no way am I good conscious? I would tell you that I don't care if you were loaded. I would not tell you to eat that difference because Um, you cannot pay to do business with the government We're here to make money not lose money and I'm not saying, you know, there's not gonna be some deals where Like for example with us, we you know, we have a construction project We bid it for a million dollars and then we have cost overrun or something You know things happened throughout the project that we did not foresee I can't go back and ask for more money. You know that I would say you take the loss But in this particular instance um This was not um You were not you you were uh doing your due diligence. You were um forthcoming um And so you were honest and you didn't try to do anything deliberate And so in that regard, I think if you continue on that path You should you know that people can only respect you for they're not gonna like it So, I mean the fact that whether you look stupid or not. I mean, that's you're in business like you You're gonna not look great in everybody's eyes. I mean, I trust me. I promise you I I don't look great in everybody's eyes if you go back and ask some people they're gonna say eric that guy. He's you know, but Um, I have been honest and people can only respect me for that You know, whether they like the situation the decision that I made That's a whole another story, but will they say I was dishonest Um and the transaction they can't say that so again, it sounds like to me That um, you know based on what you've told me That again, it was uh, I'm a it was an honest mistake. Could it have been avoided? Absolutely Um, but that comes with experience and you can't gain experience by sitting on the sideline Yeah, okay. So I mean, I I just wanted to make sure my biggest worry was that I was going to get the Bored and stuff like that. Now listen, do you know How many Of these large companies out here screw the government They screw the government and take advantage of the government. They overcharge. What about the people that overcharge medicare or medicate? They still doing business with the government They pay a penalty and they keep going. What about the people that say they're going to hire subcontractors minorities Hub zones and they don't do none of that stuff Again, they pay a penalty and keep going if they even pay a penalty. They say, oh, we're sorry. We made a mistake Like uh, this guy said to me this is like a fart in the wind You like look two years I appreciate you getting on the phone with me, man. I appreciate this. You help me out, man You know, but you motivated me to do to do this. I mean, I got other contracts pending And so even just just a quick question about the barman if you were at the bar They want me to borrow Well, if you were but is that that only I don't know for for people who do that when they happen I've seen it on the website So one question for you is this but the people the people that you've seen the bar man Let me tell you they really had to screw up bad. Like they I mean they had to do some really intentional bad stuff Okay, like they I mean these people literally they went out into fraud the government Okay, they did like they they were sitting at home or in their office saying We fund a screw the government and they knew it and they did it anyways Yeah, okay, that's the people got the part like so, okay So so that's more of a I was on some criminals I'm also criminal slimy stuff. I'm I'm gonna do it anyways because you know what? It's worth this 10 million dollars and if they catch me whatever I'll do my time That's who gets the bar. Okay. Okay. Okay. I mean something like this just just gets you cancelled You might get cancelled contract. You might cancel contract somebody gonna say hey, don't do business guy look Listen, let me tell you something I've worked with agencies. They changed people 10 times. You know, that the the third person. I don't remember you They're not even gonna talk about you It by the time It comes around they're not even gonna know this story happened People's memories are so short. It's it's incredible and and you know Um, I hate to say it but it's just true is that Look, some people already forgot the real estate crash Yeah I mean they are they back. Listen people back overpaying for properties to get right now today They forgot the real estate crash. They back to overpaying for properties And you know, throwing their money down a toilet all over again, and then I say, oh my gosh, no one told me But I'm look but hey man, you know, I'm looking to I'm looking to work with you man on some other stuff possibly maybe some uh Some kinds because I don't do construction But I was I was trying I was seeing a lot of good situation ways that people are trying to put me on too But I'm not a construction company, but I want to I'm thinking about subbing out and trying to like the stuff You've been talking about subbing out the people who are no man. Listen. Like I said, hey Again, I invest my time with people who invested me. So again, you know, I tell people I just got a guy signed up for the course three days ago He turned out he worked at Honeywell and Schneider Electric. He was the head of IT division for Europe and Asia And um, within two days, I put him on a conference call with a team to go after a 10 billion dollar contract billion billion yeah Because he had because he had the prerequisites So he had to pedigree with the the big company behind him to be able to do it But he didn't expect that but again, like I said, when I get to know people and they come into my circle Of the people that I interact with then What I'm going to do for you man is I'm going to sign up and get your whole course But I've been watching you on YouTube. You just you I know you've heard about Felicia Streeter I watch you guys and I know Felicia Streeter. I mean, I've heard of Felicia, you know And people I've never watched any of her videos, but I've heard about her Yeah, so I mean but think about me. We're gonna we're gonna do some business man I appreciate you getting on the call with me because I got a lot. I'm an IT guy. I'm big and IT and are you really? Yeah, so I mean there's a lot of IT stuff out there floating around. I've got a lady right now I'm trying to go to gsa. So, you know, my thing is Sign up for the course and I'll introduce you to the people that's already on gsa 70 schedule The gsa stars to it vehicle. I mean, we've got a dc mastermind What all the people do it they're all the ic space all of Okay, we've got 29 companies that all they do 30 some got 30 employees. Some have 70 employees. Some have 40 employees Um, and I could put you in that circuit like that. Well, I have I have zero employees I'm a monster all by myself. Hey, I'm an IT because basically what I did was I learned everything Necessary to build myself to make it automated to where I can make it happen. I got but you know what I'm gonna say this really um And you don't need all those employees because again One of the things that I do and I teach you and I I'm telling you man this thing works forget it If you try to create the infrastructure to support all of these people it's gonna it's It's just gonna take you such a long time to do it Um, whereas, you know, you can take like like I said this guy. I'm like listen Go out and bring this company to the table. We're gonna get a small business part to the table We're gonna do a joint venture and then Um, because you're an IT, right? Then I would trust that you could do be the liaison between the agency And the actual people doing the work so you can oversee that So you're not going to make any money doing it hands on just like what they tell you in the e-myth Revisited book like if you try to be the baker and and run the bakery facility like the story You're not going to make any money. You have to become you have to want to be the person at the top the leader So again, not um all you've got to do like one of my guys in that group I told myself listen go out and get 30 resumes for IT people 30 resumes you don't need to people just go get 30 resumes now what you could do once she has those 30 resumes um The next time someone that I know gets a IT contract and needs to staff the contract I'm going to tell them to call you because you've got 30 people ready to go And you could staff the contract so now you went from Nobody right to to having a 30 person So so basically what I do man. I'm doing I'm doing procurement, you know laptop desktop servers deal equipment I'm a deal federal and deal deal commercial Vendor I'm licensed to authorize on that but I'm also trying to get over into uh I also have staffing companies well, so I'm trying I'm so that's the other part I'm trying to really raise in but I've been trying to go through like MSPs and things like that to become Actual uh work with like, you know tap fin the big ones and stuff like that for major companies But uh, I know there's IT IT contracts and things of any gsa and things like that for staffing. I'm just trying to get So I'm so I'm trying to get get in so I'm just getting into this So I mean I've been doing this about I've had to come about two years I made a little money like joint recruiting and stuff like that Okay, and this I got my first IT contract with marine for so I'm so I'm learning myself I'm going through the fire right now. So I'm learning Listen, listen, listen, there's nothing wrong with that. Like I told you earlier. I'm not I'm not knock you. I think that what you did was great. Um, because a lot of people sitting on the sideline You say what if what if what if what if what if what if what if you know, I mean look I've I've been sued twice You know and again when you're going through it it sucks and it hurts and you feel bad But it's part of your experience Insurance covers the suits though, right? No the insurance company on one of them covered the attorneys for me Okay, they covered the attorney's fees The second one because it was construction. I had a bond They wouldn't let me do it because I had a bond on it that the bond was supposed to cover everything So the insurance company wouldn't cover it was like a one of those clauses in your insurance If you've got a bond the bond takes precedence But the bond a company only wants to settle with the with anyone who's threatening ensues So they could care less about you, but they'll pay all the claims, but then you still have to pay them ultimately Okay, so you still owe them to right so you owe them so whereas insurance Will protect you right and at the end of the day you won't owe anybody any money The bond will just pay everybody out and then send you the bill Okay, so it's it's different in that regard which is why a lot of people don't like The bonding side because even after you've you've made all these money in your life you could go out and get a back project and You know get wiped out Yeah, and it sucks But but again, that's not a hearing over there. Don't don't worry yourself for things that uh concerned that don't concern Yes, how much how much is the course again? Just just to just relax 997 Okay, i'm gonna do half of one of your laptops But you know, yeah, so i'm you i'm also using the funding company to do it so p. O funding company to pay for everything That's good. So you've learned a lot So yeah, so i'm not i'm not doing everything out of my own pocket. So no, no, that's but that's great That's that's the way it should be Like i said i wouldn't worry about this look go get the letter from angrom um Tell them listen tell them look i don't want no discounts. Give me something writing Forget all the discounts because i mean the discounts aren't gonna help you get back to They're not gonna give you two thousand twenty one thousand discounts Yeah So look tell keep your stupid discounts. Give me something of writing that I could go back into the government and fight with And then that way we could still try and we could still try and keep this contract in place if not The whole thing's gonna be dismantled and we're gonna be starting from day one which again They don't care because you know, they're a billion dollar company Okay, you know, but Let's see if they want to save face. Let's see if they want to be uh, honorable Yeah, you know, I I just feel like they lawyer it up real quick when they when I when they saw what happened They were like, oh, I said, well, uh, we gotta talk to the lawyer, you know We don't see what's going on. I'm like me. I said I said Dude, I said what I said y'all sent me this information. They're like, uh, well, who's sorry? We're sorry about that. They like, you know Send me something in writing that I could take back to the contracting folks and state that this is what happened Maybe they'll take pity on us No guarantees I'll see. Well, that's too. Thank you, man Take care brother I appreciate it. Um, I'll be in touch with you though, man. I'm okay on facebook So I'll get at you man. All right. All right. That works. Take care. Good luck