 Okay. Well, hello, everyone, and hello as well to those who are watching after the fact on YouTube. So, my name is Betsy Coe, and I've been doing these Zoom sessions for about a year now. I've been a member of WikiTree since, well, for four years. And I joined because I was really intrigued by, well, actually, I'll tell you, one of my ancestors came up in a search hit, and it took me to their WikiTree profile. And there were some research notes, and it just seemed very thoughtfully done. So I said, hey, I got to check this out and ended up joining, signing the Honor Code. And then it was a learning process to figure out how to do the Wiki code and set up profiles in the way that we try to do on WikiTree with making them look nice and making them well-sourced in collaboration. So there's definitely a learning curve with WikiTree, but it's so worth it because the potential for collaboration with cousins who are connected to you. You know, maybe 10th cousins, but you might be working together on a shared common ancestor is really one of the great things about the community. And just the fact that the community is worldwide. And just I've never seen a place like WikiTree for fostering community, even though we're all just connecting via the internet. I feel like I've really gotten to know people, which is cool. Yes, we are all cousins. I agree, Adri. I hope I was saying your name right. And let's see, in terms of where I spend my time on WikiTree, I'm in the England, Wales, and Scotland and Canada projects that are reflects my heritage on my, my maternal side. I'm also on the mentors project, and I do a lot with events planning so I was really involved in the source of time this past weekend I do the Saturday morning live cast, and helped with wiki game so that that's where I, that's where I live in the WikiTree palace. I am so happy to have a nice big crowd tonight. My usual co host Steve Greenwood wasn't able to make it so, but I think we'll be just fine. And merrily thank you so much for offering to let us look at your profiles. And that doesn't mean that we can't look at other people's profiles. It's just that merrily volunteered. I think I think Mary's arrived now. Oh, really? Mary, you were the one who also volunteered right. Mary Kohler. Okay. Yeah, so Mary, I noticed was was here and so I'm still planning on doing Sunday and all you can still look at mine too but we're both okay. Okay, all right. Oh, and hey, here's Murray. That's great. So yes, we'll look at how about we do this we'll look at Mary's profiles, and then we'll leave room for questions and answers and, and, you know, other other things that pop up, and then merrily thank you for your flexibility we'll look at your profiles on Sunday. Thank you. Welcome, Murray. I was, I was worried, you weren't going to make it. I just went through my introduction. And can you introduce yourself as well because Murray's very active on wiki tree knows a lot about DNA. We are muted. Yeah. Now you can hear me. Hi, I'm Murray Maloney. I've been on wiki tree, I guess, three years, I think, and, and I started out like probably most of you with with a GEDCOM file and trying to get jam my family into wiki tree and finding out that a lot of it was already there. And, and then going, you know, just keep learning and learning. Now, about a year ago. Well, it wasn't a year ago. They had something on wiki tree that they're having right now. It's called Hacktoberfest. And, and I just started paying attention to that last year I'm not a not a hacker so I wasn't going to do anything but I started paying attention to it. And as a result of that I volunteered to be a writer. I write some of the instruction manuals for things like the fan chart program and the wiki tree browser extension. As was mentioned, I have some experience working with DNA. So I have several people in my family have had their DNA done and I have been devoted to trying to figure out my family for for the past several years using using the DNA. So I've learned some of the tricks and which companies to to get your DNA tested at which ones to upload your DNA to and stuff like that. So if you have any DNA questions later. I'm happy to answer them. Great. After you Betsy. Okay. All right, thanks Murray. So I'm what I'm going to do now is share my screen. And we've got Mary. Mary's profile up. And so Mary, you want to tell us what what what's been challenging for you where are your questions is there a particular profile we should look at. You're muted. Or are you are you muted. Wait a minute. Oh, Mary, Mary, we can't hear you. Yes, she has tech support helping her now. Ah, it looks like. Okay. Well, we could we could go over to Mary Lee's profiles. Okay. All right, let's do that because I still have Mary Lee's profile. Am I still muted. You're okay. All right. We're ready. What what is what are your challenges and are there particular profiles you'd like us to look at. Have I lost Mary. We seem to have lost her video and we can't hear her anymore. Yes. Okay. So we're going to come back to you. No, here, here you are. Okay, Mary. I can't see you, but that's fine. That's unnecessary. So what should we look at for you or what questions do you have. So one of my questions. I'm having a really hard time finding my dad's family. And they're from Czechoslovakia and Ireland. The US stuff is easy to do, but the stuff from other countries, I have a really hard time with. So, and then also how to put the references in. I've put a lot of them in, but I don't know if I'm doing it right or not. Okay. Well, let's let's look first of all. So if things look a little different on my screen compared to yours, for instance, seeing the, the family relationships over here to the right. That's because I'm using the wiki tree browser extension, which we can talk about a little bit. It really does take your wiki tree experience up. Now, we've got this ancestor button here. So if I click on that, it's going to show me Mary's tree. Here she is over on the left. Now, despite what you're saying about having trouble finding your, your paternal side, your, your back, your back to some of your second grade grandparents. So that's great. Is there one of these where you'd like us to take a look. How about Morgan Hayes. Morgan Hayes. Where is Morgan. Oh, I see. Okay. All right. Born in Ireland, emigrated to the United States. Okay. And I see you have a brick wall with finding his family. Great. So you are using Mary, you're already using inline citations, which is wonderful. Good for you. So just to explain what inline citations are is the fact that you've got the biography and make the statement he was baptized this date in place. And then there's a little footnote and that that takes us to the to the source. So it's inline citations are a way for us to specifically link a source and a fact that you are trying to, to, you know, to prove. Great. You've got his looks like you have a manifest passenger manifest. Okay. So, are you using Sorcer Mary, or how are you doing these. Most of this is with ancestry.com because I have a subscription to that. Okay, but. So like, for instance, this 1870 federal census. Have you actually seen the census. Yeah, you have. Okay, let's see. Okay, we've got Morgan. And do we know we don't know his wife's and we don't know the mother of Francis John Francis. I do have it an ancestry.com but I can't. I don't have any good sources for it. So I'm afraid to put it in wiki tree because it seems like you want to have good sources. We do we do. All right, let's let's do this. Now, if you don't have Sorcer we can serve we can show both. But let's see if we can find the 18 Morgan's entry in the 1870 census in family search. So this is very, very helpful under research the lower right hand corner. We're going to do root search for Morgan Hayes. We're going to give you a caveat here. At this point once you click on it, it may ask you to log in a second time. Just log in again with your same wiki tree credentials. It's not it's it's above board it's just having to do with how, how this app is sort of housed. But the nice thing is that it fills in all the application all the information that Mary already has the dates the places, and now we can search family search. I'm going to go to family search just because that's, that's free. You can get a free account, and there's no paywall, like there is with ancestry, or find my past. And let's see what we've got 1880 census. See these aren't necessarily him, right. That's true. That's very true. Where was he living in 1870. I think at Nebraska at one point in time but I'm not sure if he was there in 1870. I mean because that's died right Nebraska. Yeah. And what was his death date. I should have taken a note there. He died somewhere between a 1905 and 1909. Let's just look at this 1880 census. Oh, it's in New York. It might be him. Does this seem like him. Yeah, that is him. That is him. You don't have find a grave do you. Yeah. No, no, Mary doesn't already have find a grave as a source does she. I thought but take a look. I know she doesn't. Okay. Now find a grave is one of those sources where we want to we want to be a little cautious is particularly if there's not, not a picture of the headstone, but look, there is. Okay, does that look right, Mary. That's him. Okay. All right, so that's helpful. And let's see if there's anything else. Well, you know, so it gives you the him his spouse's information and several. So is that valid information for that for me to list Hanara as his spouse. Yeah, it's a good starting point. You know, I think you could use this to create a profile for her. And, and then go from there. I mean, I wouldn't have it as the only source but when you put in a spouse that always asks for their marriage date and I don't always have those. How do you. That's okay if you can leave that blank. You can. Yeah, you can. Mary, can I ask a couple of questions. Sure. So, presumably you have a tree on ancestry right. Right. And so what you could do. Right, you can you can add this, this find a grave citation to him. And in your tree on ancestry, you can add Hanara. Yeah, she's in my tree. And then you can, you can search for hints on Hanara at ancestry. Right. And odds are good, you're going to find a birth certificate of marriage license and all of that. Right now that you know her name. I haven't had any luck. Really. Yeah. We're going to have a party. What was that. Well, these days we're going to have a party and go digging for those call on John. And. Yes. Call on the Ireland project folk. Yeah. Well, let me just show you. So sorcerer. You can tell that I have the sorcerer extension because I have this little one up here. So all I'm going to do while I'm on the page is I'm going to click on that. And it gives me options that you can use sorcerer to search. But in this case, I'm going to build an inline citation. I'm going to carry on with what you did. Now, in less than a second, it is created as a citation and saved it to my clipboard. Now I'm going to go back to Morgan. Is it okay for me to add that? Please. All right. So I'm going to edit. And let's see. He passed away in 1907. Do we have more? Do we have passed away? May 13, 1907. So let's let's. I passed away. May 13, 1907 in Nebraska. Was there a town in Holt, Nebraska? Right. Atkinson. And that you might want to look for a death certificate. Atkinson, Nebraska. I'm going to go back to my experience when you're in the rural Midwest. Yeah. The five degrade death area is usually accurate within maybe. 50 to 100 miles, unfortunately. And especially if they're near a county line. I have one side of my family where. The people will get married in a church in one county and then register with the county that is. County that they actually live in. Which is less than two miles apart. So it becomes very complicated in that. But it is the same area. So sometimes you can just put type in. He died in. I don't know Allegheny County, New York. I just made that up. That's probably a county. It sounds about right. And then go back later and be like, oh, I guess he was actually. He died in Johnston. But he that's because he died at the Johnston community hospital. When in actual he was living at the time. In Carlson. Right, right. So. And here's, here's how we can get around that. He passed away. On May 13, 1907. And this buried. At what cemetery. St. Joseph's cemetery. And we all I'm going to show you something cool with that too. At. Because that that's clear that he was there. And it's a cemetery. In Atkinson. So now for those of you who are not used to doing inline citations. I'm going to put my cursor at the end of that fact. That I've just stated. And it's going to say site your source. And now. I'm going to remember I had the citation in the clipboard. I'm just going to command V. I'm just going to press that button. So I'm going to get rid of those. Okay. Now it is my preference. To get rid of those breaks because I just think it. Makes it look a little cleaner. And now. What we can do. Is preview it. And there it is. It's number three. And. Okay. So we've added a source. We're going to full save. Now, in terms of Saint. Joseph cemetery. Let's talk about categories because that's a, that's another very value point. So. I'm going to go, I bookmark this. So. And maybe I can, I can put, put it in. Chat for everybody. American cemeteries. Category US cemetery. I'm going to go ahead and do a quick summary. I'm going to go ahead and do a quick summary. Let's talk about categories because that's a, that's another very valuable way you can connect with, with other relatives on wiki tree. I'm going to. Go to a, I'm going to go, I bookmark this. Category US cemeteries. So I just, I'm going to put this in the chat and. See how can I get to the chat. Murray, could you put it in the chat? Yeah, just a second. Okay. Thank you. I can't seem to. I'm clicking on chat. Oh, wait, I got it. There we go. Okay, so I think that this is very useful for bookmarking because I tend to be looking for cemeteries in the United States. And I can show you how, I mean, maybe you're looking for cemeteries in England most of the time. And in that case, you'd want to bookmark something slightly different. But now here I am. And I've got the states. So I'm going to go to Nebraska. Now it's, I need to know the county, which is halt. Your chat is over the screen, by the way. My chat is, oh, okay. Thank you. I don't. Is it still? Nope. Okay. All right. So let's see. There we go. St. Joseph cemetery. Okay. So what that means is that. I think people categorize these all the people in this list have wiki are buried in St. Joseph cemetery. And have a wiki tree profile. So now if we go back to Morgan's profile, we'll go into edit mode. And we're going to use this little sort of branch thing. Categorize. So we're going to be categorized by cemetery, by local profession, by a place where they lived by an event that they were involved in. There are so many ways to sort. But now I'm going to just go. St. Joseph. Cemetery. It's going to auto fill. And let's see. Yeah. There it is. Okay. I found it. Thanks, Mary. And it's noticed that it's going to add. Above the biography. That that it's in the, in the. He's in this category. Now this sticker. You can tell that it's a sticker because it has the double curly brackets. That really should be below the biography line. Okay. Not, not a huge deal. Just a $10 fine. Kidding. But let's do that. Okay. So, um, there we go. And so there actually is a categorization like, what did I do? I categorized. Um, now when we save that. We're going to see, oh, look, categories. He's in, in that cemetery. Now I'm going to go back to the category page. I'm going to refresh. And now. Let's see. There he is. Oh my. Now other very cool thing. When you're on any category page. Um, well, this is going to do this for me. So, um, but let me do it for me. So here are all my connections to the people in the cemetery. Um, um, Mary, what is your, what's your ID? Holder 25. Okay. I'm going to change it for you. Okay. So see it's showing a four generations. There's Morgan Hayes and, you know, well, it's a long way from four to 23 generations, but, um, you know, this is a good way to, to maybe find, find some family that you didn't know about, but they were buried in, you know, a cemetery used by your, your family. So those are actually potential relatives. I'd be, yeah. Why don't we take one of those? Um, why don't we look at the 23 generations one and see how the, what the connection is. Sure. So good idea. Um, so we're going to Elmer. Um, yeah. Nebraska. Now what we're going to do is we're going to. Again, it's going to do my connection. I'll change it to you in a section, secondary. Um, so there's my 17 degrees. Oops. Um, that's not too far. Um, and then for anybody else. We just wanted, well, isn't that handy that our names start the same, Mary? 25. Okay. 20 degrees. But, but only two. So the, when the color changes, that shows you that there's been a marriage. And so, yeah. Look at the alternate, um, generational path. Wow. Right. Right. I find this one a little bit confusing, but. Oh yeah. Yeah. So let's see. So that means these, these are all blood, blood, blood relations. And then there's the marriage. To another blood relation. And then, because this almost looks to me like there are two, two marriages. Am I. One of my missing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jemima and Bill got married. Oh yeah. I'm not seeing everything. Right. Jemima and Bill. Yes. John and Joseph were siblings. We're about brothers. So that's a blood relationship. Okay. So now you go down to Bill. And over to, and over to Jemima. Mm hmm. Yep. So that Bill is not. William banding's father, it seems. Hmm. So there's a step relationship. Wait. Um, because. Well, isn't it just an in-law relationship? Cause. Bill married Jemima. Yeah. So Bill is, is, is William banding stepfather, right? Uh, son-in-law. Wouldn't it be. William banding was. So Bill banding's, Bill banding's mom is Jemima. And Jemima has a husband named Bill pack. Yes. Bill pack isn't. William banding's father. Right. Right. So William pack is a stepfather of William banding. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess it depends which marriage came. Oh wait. No, Bill pack. Died before Bill banding. He never came up. So he's not. No, he's not a stepfather. Or perhaps it's a stepfather who died before the pair. Before that the, uh, banding is. The child of the second. Right. But he never achieved. He never achieved that fatherhood because he died. True. So he was technical stepfather, but not, but never actually by relationship because he's dead. Because they didn't know one another, but it's still there. Yeah. I mean, for purposes of connection, finding a connection. Yeah. Mm hmm. So. Elmer, we have to go backwards. His father, his father, his mother, her father, then we get to William banding. And then, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So you just have to go slowly and, and think about what direction you're going in. I guess. Um, so, um, Now in terms of, I take it you have not found a death certificate. Right, Mary. Right. Right. So one thing that I would recommend. Um, and this is more falls under research practice than, than sort of wiki tree. But if you just go to Nebraska. Vital records. Um, let's see. I might, if you can hear family search has a really good wiki, um, on a lot of locations, the state's countries. Um, and what you want to figure out is when did they start keeping records? When did they start requiring records in that state? And when did people really start complying? Cause you don't want to knock yourself out. If, if, if, you know, let's say he died in 1905, but compliance wasn't universal until 1950. Right. So yeah, just, I would just, uh, you know, look there. Okay. Deaths. Oh, well. Deaths were worse. So you, that's borderline. You said 1905 to 1909. So maybe you can find it. Order it. You can actually find it online. But you might be able to, to find it. Um, then here's the other thing. Let's go back to, there we are. He has a, he has a family search profile. So I think that it's worth it to go there. Oh, wow. It's got 14 sources. I know. Exciting. So let's look at his sources. What are they good? We'll find out. Right. And there's the 1870 census. Now I'm going to, I'm going to go down a tangent here. Do you think now you would want to look at the real record, but just based on this Morgan Hayes. 47. Does this look right? Yeah. Yeah. And that's right. That's right. Okay. All right. So what you would do. Is you would take. Remember back on the wiki tree profile, we just had 1870 census. Nothing. So we can copy this citation. Sometimes there's a nice little copy citation button, but. That's only when you click on the. On the link to record and go in there. That's when the link. Yeah. Let's copy citation thing pops up. There. Okay. Copy citation. And now I've got it. Let's go back to Morgan. Edit. And now we can replace this. Oh, there's another. Let's see. Well, you know what we can do. So this is, this is the other kind of way to source. Mary has done inline citations very nicely. And then you can also have these bullet points, which would go below sources and the references tag. So I'm going to replace this. With. That. And I mean, if you're, if you're not, you may, at some point, Mary, decide to write a more significant biography. And, you know, you may say in 1870, he was living in this place and. He had, he was married and he was farming and he had these children as shown by the 1870 census. And then you, then you could make it an inline citation. But right now we're not using this to cite any facts. Okay. So I'll show you. I've added as well. I've sort of. I don't know. I've added a source, I guess. So now you'll see that we have both inline. And this one bullet point. Citation hanging out. And that's okay. So I did find his. So I'm a rival into New York and the list with. The children and his wife. So I put that in the biography and. I've seen different ways of doing it. Do you just list the kids or what's the best way to do a table or. With their birthdays or. Yeah, that's a little bit personal preference. Or if you're in a project, some projects have, you know, they're sort of style guidelines. I don't tend to do tables, but Murray, what do you do? I like lists and I like to have the lists down in the sources. So what, what I do, Mary is, is all. I'll, I'll stay to fact. And, and then I'll, and then I'll do a citation. And in the citation. I'll have it might be for a census that might, you know, it might be for, for any number of different things, but, but typically there'll be a set of facts that go with the citation. And you might not put all those facts in the paragraph that you're, you're citing that you're attaching citation to. So it, so in the sources, I might have a list of people. Right. Like, like I said, from a census, you have everybody in the census. And I prefer to use the list because to me they're easier to edit. But, but the, the wiki tree browser extension has added a table editor and people are starting to use the tables more. And as, you know, as Betsy said, the, it's really a personal preference. And you, you should look around wiki tree a little bit and see how other people make profiles and see what you like. And really, you know, I don't know if you've, if you've heard the kids saying this a lot represent, you know, you want to, you want to think about how you want your family to be represented. And it doesn't really matter how other people think they want to represent their families. What matters is how do you want to represent yours? And if you want to use tables to represent your family use tables. If you want to use lists, use lists. Right. Right. And then for one of my branches, I've linked into somebody else who's taken it way back. I've found stuff that they don't have on there. Do you go ahead and edit their stuff or? I, I first thing I would do is I would reach out to them. Okay. And so, you know, on any profile, say, say somebody, you know, you have a distant cousin who's like, oh, Morgan Hayes is my second great-grandfather too. So they would come here, they'd see, oh, Mary Kohler is profile manager, and then they can send you a private message. So that's, that's what I would recommend. And say, we seem to be working on the same family. Can we collaborate? Here's what I have. What do you think? Your other option, like again, if I were coming upon your profile, you could leave, you could leave a comment. And that, that would, so you could go to that person's, maybe the relevant profile and leave a comment and they'll be notified. Okay. Thank you. Mary, learning, learning the social practices of wiki tree is, is a big part of the whole effort here, right? There's, there's a lot of us working on the tree and we're all trying to get along. And sometimes, you know, we rub each other the wrong way a little bit, but there are, you know, there are practices that you can do that to make things easier, right? And so, yeah, sending a message, leaving a comment. One thing that I found is you can work your way into a profile by, by doing good things, performing good deeds. So for example, if you just go in and add a bunch of sources, just good solid sources and just drop them in and then step back and see what happens. Does anybody react to that? Does anybody come in and add a paragraph to go with those changes? You know, what happens? The other thing you can do is look at the change list and see, you know, if other people are working on this, how often do they work on it? Did they work on it five years ago or did they work on it last week? Oh. Let me, let me look at, now here's another feature that I think it would be helpful for everybody to know about is let's, let's go to a random profile. So I'm under find and random profile. Okay. Who looks like we're in Scandinavia. Yes. Oh, yes. I'm not sure. Okay. So look, we have a profile manager when we have changes. So one thing what Murray's referring to is going here. And we can see that no one's touched this profile since it was added over a little over a year ago. So that's, that's one piece of information. And then the other thing is we can go to the profile managers, their profile and see how recently they've been active. Okay. So this person has been active pretty recently. You know, that's a good, good indicator. If someone hasn't been active for like six years, you know, they may have moved on from wiki tree, but. Okay. That helps a lot. Thank you. Yeah. Other questions. Should we open it up to everybody? Yep. Okay. What, what, what questions can we ask for answer for everybody else? I have a question. Yes. Go ahead. I found, I think that were possible, possibly duplicate profiles. And I wasn't quite sure how to handle it. So I did a. I think I did. A unmerged match, but then I put a comment. I sent a message to the profile manager. And then I did get a response back and said, when I, when I locate them, I should propose them as a. As a merge, not as an unmerged match. And I think I'm confused on what that means. Could you explain that? Yeah. Do you know, do you know what the profile ID is? One of them is, let's see. Okay. It's in here. McFarland. McFarland. 2249. Okay. Is that the right one? Yes. Okay. All right. So I think if you scroll down, you might. Um, okay. Let's see. The other one is 2249. And did you hear, let, let's just go to. All right. Two, two, four, nine is yours. Right. Yes. So now let me go to the other one. Okay. And, and I didn't enter either of them. They were already out there. So I was just. I'm a direct descendant of. John McFarland and I noticed there were two. So. Right. Okay. So, well, it looks like you need to have a three way conversation with. Oh, this is managed by a project. Interesting. That's why I was a little nervous on what to do, but I knew I needed to flag it somehow. Sure. Of course. Okay. Okay. So you started to some, and did you go down here? Let's see. And I see pending. Yeah. I did the unmerged match and she undid that, I think, and then did the pending merge instead. Yeah. An unmerged match. You know, I, I need to learn what that is exactly. And I mean. You know, I'm not sure if it's going to appear to be duplicates, but you're not certain more information is needed. Setting the two profiles as unmerged matches will remind you and others that there is information to be worked out. Unmerged match is a temporary state. Use research notes and profile comments to discuss the open questions. Okay. But you said you feel that you have evidence that they really are the same. Yes. And, but that's what I originally did was an unmerged match, but the person that responded to me said that they should have been done as a. Proposed merge, a pending merge instead. Yeah. She's saying they are in fact the same person. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And now what we're waiting for is, I wonder if the person who responded to you as a member of the Southern pioneers project. And perhaps waiting, we're waiting on a response from Tammy rich. Yes. And so if there is a guideline in place, if a profile manager does not respond within 30 days. If the match, then the match can proceed if both profiles are open, which they are, they are both open profiles. So you made the request or she changed it. On October 3rd. So by November, no later than November 3rd, you should have a resolution to it. Okay. Okay. All right. I just wasn't sure if I did. You know, did I do something wrong or. You know, I felt like I maybe did the right thing. And I got some. A response on it. So I just want to know for next time. I'm doing the correct thing. You did the, you did the right thing. And, you know, I don't, I don't think you can ever go wrong. And wiki tree would just. Like communication, just communicate. And yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. Do we have other questions? I have a question. How are the numbers assigned? Because I noticed that. Linda's had a lower number than the other profile. So does that mean the other profile was added later. Yes. And when the merge happens, they will both go under the, the ID with the lower number. Yeah. Okay. So who will become the profile manager when they're merged? Generally it's both. So both Southern pioneers project wiki tree. And, and Tammy rich. Okay. Thank you. I wonder. So this is the person who, who applied to you. Darling. Yes. Yeah. I wonder if she's on the. If this is your direct ancestor. You might want to join the Southern pioneers project. Yeah. If you look at Darlene's profile, you'd see her badge if she has it. Yeah. Well, I can, I'm on the, on the profile project profile page. And she, if you go to Darlene's page. Yeah. Then maybe she'll have a badge for the Southern pioneers project. A badge. Yeah. There it is. Where? Okay. Go back down. In the profile. It's a sticker. The curriculum name study. Oh, okay. There you go. Yeah. Oh yes, she is. Yeah. Southern colonies, but it is pioneering. Yeah. Era stuff. Great. Yeah. And I realized that we went down a tangent. What I just, because I, we got, I got excited by finding the, the 1970 census, but Mary also noticed 14 sources. And so, you know, it's worth seeing. Looks like here's a later census. Here he is listed in maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Marriages of his children or. And their death record of a daughter. I don't see a death record. That's too bad. Which doesn't mean that it's not out there. Unfortunately. Rural counties in Nebraska, Iowa, et cetera, are really slow to get to digitizing. And so, if you reach out and ask for a document that said, if you reach out to a historical society, they are often more than willing and will often get back to you within a week, as opposed to the ones in like New York city, which they have a million emails that are piling up to get through. So it's a win, when some lose some. Yeah. Great. Can we, can we answer any more questions? If you have one when we're ready. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. And I apologize. I know things about sources and just for theness of sources, but I'm fairly new to the wiki tree setup. So I'll link. In the chat, the. Profile that. And it's one of the profiles that I added some sources to during the sourceathon. Okay. Just give me the ID and then I'll put it on. Okay. D cry. So that's a D like dog. Space. Underscore. So underscore. Uh-huh. K. R. U. I. J. F F. Dash 59. Okay. Oh, I put an extra I in there. I see. Right. Should be D. Is that well, it didn't come up with a profile. K R U. I. K R U. I. I J. Yep. I J. F F. Huh. I don't know if you need the capitalizations. Okay. Let's let's try it. Extra K. Yep. Okay. How does that. 59. Yeah. Okay. Huh. Okay. We just learned that capitalization is important. Okay. Were you on the flying Dutchman? Yes, I was. Oh, good for you. Also, uh, my. I also have to cry family members, but they are not. These decrypts. So I was trying to see if they would actually connect to, if I worked on them long enough. Um, So. When I was working on this. Profile as you scroll down. You'll notice that I have categories, but the category, but you'll notice that the birth place. So the birthdays doesn't have a location. Category. And I was wondering what the procedure is. Is there a request file for, uh, Adding categories. Of that nature. Um, it depends on, uh, so, so for you'd have, you probably want to talk to the Netherlands project. So let me, let me tell you about my experience recently. Um, uh, I'm trying to do genealogy in a part of Quebec where there weren't any location categories. And so I contacted one of the project coordinators for, uh, for that project. And said, I, you know, I want to have some categories. And I want to go ahead and do on my own. So I thought I'd check with you first. And she said, okay, that's great. Um, we need, we need a person for each category that you want to create. To start with what we need to have at least one person. And then they went to the Netherlands. And then they went off and did all the creation process for that category. And poof. I had a category. Now the thing is. If you're going to populate a category with only one person, it's not much use. Right. So, so if, for example, here we're talking about Utrecht. If there isn't already a category for Utrecht. Then there's probably not much advantage in you creating one because. I imagine that there have been millions of people who have lived in Utrecht by now. And if there's no category already, then probably for, it'll take a long. There isn't. Sure. And there, there is for Utrecht, but like Utrecht itself, but that's the equivalent of having one for Utah. Uh, So. Uh, And. For the Netherlands, they mostly just go with. The space below, below that. So just be more like adding. A smaller. Section to it. Right. Well, as I say, you can, you can make a request of the projects and they'll, they'll usually respond to it. Sometimes they'll say to you, we don't think it makes sense, but. You can, you can argue with them about that. Yeah. And what about. For even, is that same thing with say. American small towns. I don't remember which program it was, but there happened to be one where the cemetery was added, but the town itself wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. And what about for even, is that same thing with say. American small towns. I don't remember which program it was, was added, but the town itself wasn't. Hmm. Right. And so. So what happens a lot on wiki tree is people make. A place category. Sorry. A place project. Right. So one place project. So you. One place study. One place study. Yeah. So you, you create a one place study. And then. You build, you get, you get a category created in the process of that. And you can just start adding people. And I've never done that. So I don't know how to advise you further on that. Yeah, but there, there are resources. If you decide, let's see. By the way, wiki tree on any page, there's a really powerful search engine, not just for, for people, but search for any text. All wiki tree. One place study. And yeah. If you are interested in doing that. You know, generally it's going to take you to a link where you can find your way. How to, how to, you know, who to contact. What to first steps. So. Yeah. Very nice. Very, very nice. And then I've heard some of it. But. What's the protocol for. Either conflict mediation or even just. If there's the equivalent of a moderator that you can say, Hey, this is a. Issue that needs addressing, but I'm not getting through to them. I don't feel like we're talking the same language here. Right. Do we reach out. And we've done the list of, if you have a problem, follow these steps and we went through the steps. Right. So you want to go under help. To problem with members. And yes, as you refer to. There's like a flow chart sort of list of things. Where you can decide. Yeah. We have, we have two mantras. Don't wiki tree when angry. And, you know, step, step away. If you, you feel like you're not in control of your emotions. And. And if it's still, if you do that, and it's still hasn't, you're still upset, then you. Where is. Where is I? Where's that section? Steps you can take, you know, in the meantime, I mean, you can, you can start a discussion. So. I mean, I guess it depends on the level of the topic of discussion, but for example, if you're having an issue on a particular profile. Instead of, instead of having all of that discussion through private messages, you might have. You know, say something in a comment. Yeah. They, you know, I think, I think this fact. Needs to be explored or I think this issue needs to be explored. And then have, have that be a more of an exposed conversation because then. You know, other people can see it. Okay. Along those same lines, you can take something to G to G. So, you know, so for, let me give you an example. So, so as I mentioned, you know, I do some work in Quebec. And then, and also in Acadia. And in the Quebec and Acadia projects have decided that, well, haven't decided they've observed that women. In those areas. Didn't, did not by law adopt their, their husband's names. And so it's not, so therefore it's not appropriate for us. To, to make their current last name, their husband's name. Their current last name is the name that they were born with. And, and I, and I was saying, well, wait a second. You know, some women did adopt their, their husband's names and, and did want to be called by that name. Or, and I pointed out an extreme case. I said, there are some women who we don't know. They're made in the name. And so the way that we can know them is through their married name, because that's how we know them. Right. And they said, no, no, no. If we don't know their maiden name, their name is unknown. And you can add. You can add this is a name that they're also known by you can add their husband's name there. But you can't say that this, this is their current last name. Because unless you have some evidence to show that. It's just not so. Now. I still have trouble with that. Okay. But we went to G to G, we talked it out. The, the, the, the whole audience got to participate in this conversation and say what they had to say. And, and I had to accept what, what the final verdict was. And, you know, so that, that's a, that's another way of handling things, right? Is to just have, hash it out in public. Ask the council. Yeah, I think that's a really excellent suggestion because. You know, I think when, when things are in a private back and forth, I mean, it can be fine. But if, if emotions are sort of getting a little heated, you know, they can also go awry. Whereas if you're having the conversation out in the street, so to speak, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's more a little bit of the thing of those things that you feel like you aren't saying the same thing when you're text messaging. So you say, okay, fine. I'll just, I'll just call them and then have it out that way. It's one of those situations, but you don't have a phone call because it's the internet. And so it's just one of those things where it's like, I don't know how to handle this, but I'll figure it out. But earlier we mentioned a unresponsive people who are in charge of profiles. Yes. Yeah. When messaging a user about a profile. Either. So for example, there is a user who is in charge of my great grandfather's profile. And I wanted to at least talk to her about it. Yada, yada. I have messaged her a few times. No response. When is it? Do I say, okay. Profiles dead. Did you check her contribution feed to see how recently she active currently? I'll get it again. It didn't look like. I mean, because technically when you send somebody a private message, they will get an email. But it's, you know, I mean, things happen with emails. There might be a glitch. I think it's always important to know how recently the person has been active. Or they may be in that part of their life where they're just not doing wiki tree right now, right? Yep. Yep. They're just too busy. Now the thing is, you know, how do you pronounce it? Is it Audrey? Adri. So, so Adri, have you, have you tried just going in and editing the profile? Yes, it was more that the. Things like the, I wanted to make the primary photo, the primary, a different photo, the primary photo. Because it was a real photo and better crops, that sort of thing, but you can't do that unless you're in charge of the profile. I see. Okay. Have you requested to be on the trusted list? Yeah, that's the part. Okay. I was trying to get a response to, but it also, you know, say, Hey, how are you doing? This is actually my grandpa. Right. But so it's not an open profile then. You, it's not a. It's not a band. No. Okay. So it's, so it's, it's less than 150 years old. Correct. Yeah. I know that that's, that's, especially when it's your direct ancestor, it sort of eats at you, you know, it's a very good profile, but. You can go the unresponsive root and just contact unresponsive and say, look, I'm, you know, I think it's really important that I get a real picture of my, you said your great grandfather. I think, you know, I think it's really important. I get a real picture up there. This is not a real picture that's there. And I want to get this in. And the profile manager is just not responding at all. I've tried several times and they'll be able to see that. Right. They'll be able to see that you tried and, and that you tried over time, right? It's not like, you know, I tried at three o'clock this morning and I tried again at seven and I tried again at, at two o'clock this afternoon and they're still not responding. You know, you want to give it a few days, right? But, you know, after you've given it a fair shot and nobody's responded, you can go the unresponsive root and, and hopefully somebody will give you, give you some satisfaction. Yeah. Okay, cool. And again, it's not that I want to show up and hammer people into submission. It's just more like, Hey, I know nobody. Yeah. I mean, you, you have, you have things to contribute to the pro profile. And that's, you have just as much right here as everybody else. Yeah. I'm also again, the unresponsive profile manager. And I help. So look, you can, there's, there's a whole page for, yeah. So that, that, that's what I would do. Do you want me to put this in the chat, this specific link? No, now that I know that the search bar is there for the rest of the site, I found the people church, but search bar, but I did not find the rest of the stuff in the search search bar, not a church bar. There's two different things. Yeah, I'll use the search bar. Okay. And good luck with that. I hope, I hope you get it resolved. Pretty soon. Well, we're, we're, we're a little over an hour. So maybe we should wrap it up here. And, but we're back. Or at least I am on Sunday at 11 Eastern time, 11 in the morning, which is three. Let's see, is that right? Three in the afternoon UTC time. Yep. Murray, are you, are you coming on? I expect so, yes. Okay, great. Eight in the morning Pacific time in my time zone. Yes, yep. So coffee encouraged. So I'm going to go ahead and stop recording. And then we can say goodbye. So thanks. This was really helpful. Thank you. Some amazing things I never knew.