 And I'm going to open this meeting here, 6.15, which has been properly posted in three places, right, on the website, and emailed to interested parties, right? Good. Does anyone have any additions to the agenda? We have a pretty good agenda already, but Frank? You know, Levin has been writing different ways to, you know, Board of Listers and Board of Civil Authority. It won't take long. You have one too? Yeah, just to be as very in, just an announcement. An announcement? Yeah. And we were thinking, we were thinking of putting Joe in the first place. Okay. And Mike? That Berks Street. All right. Surprise, surprise, surprise. All right. Let's start with the minutes from the last meeting, and I'd move to accept those. Is there a type that? I second it. Well, you weren't here, so I know you can second it. Yeah. Well, I second it. I can second it because I read it. Oh, you read it. All right. All right. All in favor? All right. I read it. And we've got, so talking about having Joan give your updates first, it might clear up some of the other questions that would come behind it. Maybe, or it might create more. We'll give it a try. Yeah. Well, we'll see. A lot of it is just follow up from last week and some updates to the extent I know them. One thing we need to discuss, sort of kind of before we haven't formally addressed it is signage for traffic coming either, a lot of it mostly coming from the Bethel Mountain side, because people come up, you know, from Bethel neighborhood, go up Camp Rock Road, and then they get up to the T intersection, and they don't know what to do. And also, I've done with Chris Bump for several hours on Friday to work up a new package, a big package for the upper Bethel Mountain Road projects. And after all of that, we got to talking about, you know, the issues with traffic, some of it being problems with overuse of Brooks Street, others where people come up Bethel Mountain Road from Bethel and then don't know what to do and get lost or something. And then just thinking about, you know, the coming, like it's here now, summer season and things like the music fest and the concerts and all the stuff that goes on here in the summertime, it would, you know, there are some people who may come here regularly in the summer and think they know their way around, but all of a sudden kind of they don't know their way around because of the road closure. So I asked Chris, first he thought, well, why don't I have two boys in Kings do a traffic redirection plan for you. And then he pulled back and said, wait a second, I did send you something back in April, which he did, which was this multi-page plan that was put together by someone at VTrans who specializes in that kind of thing when there's road closures, telling us what we should do. And to tell you the truth, I took a look at it and kind of rolled my eyes and said, you know, this is way too complicated, expensive, it's very time-consuming, labor-intensive, you can't just can't do it. But the result was we have nothing. And when I asked you about that on Friday, you said, well, we need to follow that. We need to follow it as best we can. So I looked at it again quickly today and there are some things we I feel we can be doing. One of the things that Chris made clear is that we should definitely lease the large electronic boards. He said the lease cost will be covered. So that's going to be covered under some of this project expense, right? Which we didn't think at first. So that's good. And we should have two on the vessel side and two on the Rochester side and they should be on state roads. And when we asked permission to do that, I said, you will make sure that happens. And he made some suggestions for where those signages should go. And so we can also get more advice from VTrans if we need about how to set up the boards and keep them maintained and how you add up for the period of time we need to. So that's one thing. And then the second thing is, June and I talked about a little bit. I really think we should seriously consider making a pile of signs or a bunch of signs for various places where we want to direct traffic from say the key intersection up on the mountain. And, you know, we've been told we cannot use the word detour. So we don't have to. We can just tell people, you know, for accessing Route 100 north or south, follow these directions. And then we can have signs along the way that say six miles, you know, follow Middle Hollow Road or whatever it is, wherever route you choose to take, follow Middle Hollow Road, six miles or whatever it is. At mile six, turn right for half a mile. And then at mile six and a half turn left onto Quarry Hill Road and proceed downhill to whatever it is. We should decide what it is and then make very clear signage so that people can follow it without panicking, getting lost, etc. And also to redirect traffic to the extent we can away from Brook Street. And if we want to, we can even have a sign at the top of Brook Street that says please do not use Brook Street, however we want to say it. And this is since we're all local roads, it's, you know, the town has some jurisdiction over what we're allowed to say. So I think we should talk about that and actually put a trigger on it sometimes. And that's my suggestion if you want to get together at some point and figure out, you know, which route you want to recommend people take and then we can figure out where the sign's been from. Then we can have meetings, people talking about all the traffic on Quarry Road. We can have rotations, like everybody takes a week. Okay, but no, thank you. Yeah, we have to do, yeah, no, make it easy. But it's a problem we have to try and solve as best we can. Mike, you were wanting to talk to us about this. I think what you need to take into consideration is a safety factor. You know, Brook Street doesn't say, you know, that would be safer than Brook Street to build houses, you know. Yeah, right. Yeah, and I've driven the last couple of days I've come into work from where I live. I've gone up that way and just kind of figured out that I didn't know my way around here at all. And I don't know Rochester, so there's some things I still don't know. What would be confusing me, you know, where would I not be sure where to go or where not to go. So it just might be worth sort of driving it and looking at from that point of view and then deciding. Do you like to keep people on Middle Hollow because it's paved most of the way? Do you want to direct them onto North Hollow? It's, you know, the gravel's kind of loose there in places and you have to drive slowly. But in some ways it's a little more direct if you want to get people right onto Quarry Road. But I've been taking them down Marsh Brook, which is okay, but it's a little, you know, it's basically a one-car-width road and if you have to pass somebody, you know, some of you are used to it, it's fine. You don't want to meet the UPS truck on Marsh Brook Road either. So yeah, that's true one for the other. So it's definitely got to be Quarry Hill Road, I would say. So if we need a little commit, a subcommittee or something, meet once, make some decisions, and then between Julie and myself, we can order the signs and install. Probably signs are saying to Route 100 because I don't know if we've got a micromanage about how many miles it's going to be, but if we can just have something. The only thing is, it occurred to me that, you know, as I was going, I went North Hollow this morning, you know, I just keep going and going and going and going. It does, it goes quite a way. Yeah. When you're going to reach, you know, the next turn, so it might. Martha, you had a question? I was just going to suggest, you know, you said all these things that happen in the summer here. I know, for example, there are road races that come through and stuff like that, and we have the dates for all of those. I didn't think of that one. So 100 on a 100 race? Yeah. That's in August? Yeah. In August and, well, that's 100. But that's 100. Yeah, but they're on 100. They're not going up the road. But people who want to participate in it might have, I don't know, they'll have to find out. Right. There are a lot of people I know from the cleanup area where I work that come over for our concerts on the park and things like that, and so having signage to help them would be. Yeah. And they come from the Chamber of Music concerts and things like that. I can look at those. Okay. So if you just want to let me know how you want to do it and tell me what you want. Yeah, the main reason I was meeting with Chris Bob was because, well, first of all, last, the last meeting, the latest information we had about the estimated cost of the project was somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.6 million, 1.6 million. Chris now is looking more like 2 million. That is partly because we're including their amount of work on upper Bethel Mountain Road. And then you add in the cost of the engineering contract, which for Du Bois and King is somewhere in the neighborhood of 160,000 now. And you know that, you know, that could go up a little bit as more things are discovered. You know, they have to do more technical work, et cetera. So for 2 million dollars, you know, we have to be crossing every eye and dotting every team when it comes to the Federal Highway Funding because they're sure to audit us just because it's such a huge amount of money. And that means that we have to have all the paperwork in line. So the nice sort of compact bid package that I was working on with Cricut and Cooter for the upper stuff, he's not going to cut it at all. So he's helped me put together a package. Unfortunately. Yeah, that's what it is. And it's complicated. And one of the things that I'm going to be talking about with Chris Amour is suggested by Truer, which seems to make a lot of sense, is when you drive down the upper part of Bethel Mountain Road, there are sort of discrete sites along the way where you can see that there's going to be shoulder work and ditching and some cross culverts and stuff like that. But really, if you go all the way down to the tee intersection, you realize that whole area needs proper ditching. Because what's the point of doing a little ditching project here, and that's kind of the way it was. And then we'll, you know, another little section here, and then you have sort of the old ditch. You really need something that's a continuously flowing, you know, connected system. So he would really like to combine what we're presently calling sites two, three, and four, which are starting from the Doherty's garage, would be one site up to the tee intersection. That would still be site two. But then from the tee intersection all the way to the town line would be site three. These are illuminating what we've been calling site four, which is right now New York Territory's house. So Chris is supposed to be coming on Wednesday to take a look at that whole section and let us know whether, you know, we can just include that whole thing. And then with that information decided, I think finish up the big package. But that does mean that that work is going to get delayed by several weeks because I won't be able to get into the paper for, we have to re-advertise the bids, kind of start from scratch. Even though, you know, we can deal with the same contractors, hopefully. That came to the original bid meeting, pre-bid meeting. But start again, you know, we won't get into this week's paper. So who here said he couldn't be here tonight? So I don't know if we're going to be able to get this all, all the ducts lined up so that we're actually, you know, so that the contractors already start the time so that we can complete it by August 9th, which is the date that Camilla would like to have it done so that we won't have time to get paving them. Just so you know, that's, it's probably going to be pushed back at least a couple of weeks. Who is the agency, DEC that you're dealing with? Who knows. It's VTRA, through VTRANS and also through what's called, well, it's District 4 as we've been working with the most now. District 4 is handed over the main part of the coordination to another VTRANS agency called Municipal Assistance Bureau, I think I talked about in the last meeting, and they are part of our contact, but Chris Bonk is still very much involved and extremely helpful. But DEC is not, DEC is not involved. I mean, the work that will be done will be in performance with the General Road Permit to the extent that there is hydrologically connected sections, but apart from that DEC is not part of this, because it's VTRANS, the universe. Martha, you have a question? Yeah, I'm sorry, I somehow missed what the date the kids are due. We don't have a date. You don't have a date. But John wants the work done, wants to, hopes to have the work completed by August 9th. Yeah, but I don't know if that's going to be possible. So there'll be time to get the paving done. Right, but I don't know if that's going to be possible. Just given, because we have not actually gotten out the full kids and the big package We have to kind of start that process again, so we're like to leave it behind. So this is also separate from the application made to FEMA? Yeah, this is not, none of this is FEMA I'm talking about now. It's all federal highway. FEMA are all the other sites, which they're about 22. Is there any money in this to prepare a book screen after this project's done? It's a good question. In our last big meeting with V-Trans, we asked about that. And they really don't have an answer for us right now. It could be one suggesting Chris Bump had, which is possible, is that we could apply for a regular round of V-Trans grants that come out every year, called Structure's Grants. There's also Class 2 roadway grants. The book screen is a class 3, so we can qualify for that. Anyway, we can appeal to V-Trans. There's also better back roads grants as well. So there's probably other funding for that. But he couldn't specify anyone now. There's a combination of Chris Bump's. He is the District 4, I forget his exact title, but he's like the chief technical person for District 4. The book screen is getting down pretty badly now, but I always try. Yeah, and they've heard it loud and clear. They know about it. They sympathize, but their basic attitude right now is we've got to focus on fixing that's a long road, and then we will get to the issues with Road Street. At least in terms of repairs. But also Road 100 has come up, and Maple Devil has come up, or I don't know? Road 100 has come up. Right there? Well that was another question. I, like many people, am driving around now because I'd go and end up every day. And the section of Road 100 in Rochester, the low town in particular, is really, really, really bad. And I know it's not your fault, but you have any idea. I remember at one time you said that you talked with people to state that we might be on their gaming list. That was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. But five or it was a long time ago. I just was wondering why we're coming home today. I'm sorry to ask. Yeah. Well I did, I guess it's okay to pass along when I was meeting with Chris. He said something about, I guess, I'm not sure exactly where it stands, but they're really looking at Road 100. I wouldn't expect anything anytime soon. But I guess it's kind of like it keeps coming up. And so his answer just a few months ago was forget it's off the table. We were going to do it at one time. But, you know, priorities were elsewhere in the state. Right, they're building a bridge over on Route 12. Yeah, there's lots of stuff going on all the time, all over the state. But he did say something about, you know, I guess the discussion is starting again about this section. Maybe there's some hope. I'm sorry. But it came to mind because Dean Mandel raised it at the planning commission meeting. So it's obviously on his and mine. Just as I guess it's on mine. Well, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty obvious. Andy serves on the Transportation Committee of Two Rivers, right? And every year they come up with a list of priorities. And Route 100, I know is always on there, but it doesn't get prior. No, it keeps getting bumped by things like Bethel Mountain Road. Makes it go slower. They've got a ton of culverts to replace and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, no answer for that. Right, no answer. You may understand that this Bethel Mountain project had to be done by October 15th, right? If we want to get 100% reasonable. Right, right. So is this delay going to run it over the adder? No, no way. No way. We're hoping that. It's going to be a little safe. No, this, this, what she's talking about are the culvert, the three culvert replacement or two culvert replacement. So what you're talking about the contract, you know, didn't. Oh, that, the upper, Bethel Mountain Road logs. Yeah, they are part of that, but yeah. Separate. Those should, there shouldn't be any problems. So everything you're looking at is 15th of October. Right, right. No, I don't know if item three is related to the EWP application that mentioned, but it was an application for funds or, you mean, another DEC grant to name? So that's. You mentioned EWP. I think it was. Right. So we could have applied for it. Well, the only thing that is happening right now in the town is that it is to send a letter, the agency that handles EWP is the Natural Resource Conservation Service, which is part of the I department. Um, and we sent in a letter, you know, sort of reserved a spot for the town saying that we would possibly be interested in participating in that. I think it's June 15th is when, what's the deadline for that? So if there's still an issue because with that program, it provides 80% funding to the landowner and the town agrees to kick in 20%, now that's going to be a stretch for Rochester. So we, I guess we would cross that bridge if we want to come to it. There are other applications that, um, the property owner should be filling out? Not at this point. Okay. That's all the information we have is that they will let us know if we're in the program and how it's going to work to just stay clean on that one. Yep. I think that's all I have. So in terms of the, um, the granted aid for other hydrologically connected road sections, are we pretty much keeping busy with these projects and not thinking of that? I talked to Peter today about it and you actually had a good idea because as you know, last this past weekend there was a major slide on Bingo Road. And that's certainly hydrologically connected. Yeah. Yeah. So we thought that would be a good granted aid. He also wants to do a fair amount of ditching, um, which would also qualify for granted aid, but that's probably going to exceed the amount of money that we would have available from that program because that's been running somewhere in the neighborhood, you know, 17, 18,000 dollars. So, um, I told him, you know, he realizes that we'd be able to do all of it at once. But the most urgent thing is, is fixing that slide. It's, you know, he showed me pictures I hadn't seen in person. It's pretty recent here. He is, um, meeting on Wednesday morning with Jaren Borg, the stream engineer, to take a look at it and get Jaren's take on what can, can't be done there and how to do it. And he's invited Cricut to be there as well, um, since that came up here. Yep. Yep. Oh, and I thought, I don't know if this is a possibility, but depending on how that goes, we do now have a, once again, a road maintenance agreement where the forest service on Bingo. Now, I understand it's not necessarily what they had in mind, but maybe, you know, once we find out what the scope of this thing is and what the cost is, maybe we can appeal to them and see if they can come up with some cash to help them with work on Bingo, just because they use it. You know, it's not, this is on a section of road that would be involved in the Robinson project at all? I don't know about that, but maybe they're, they're really logging, they're not really logging. Yeah, they're going to be logging up there. Yeah, so, well that's another reason then, because that would certainly have an effect on logging trucks using that road. So that would be something we're talking about once we're done. John, I'm sorry, I'm acronym challenged here. What does BMP implementation mean? Best management practices. That is, BMPs are what the general road permit puts forth. This is how you should be doing things. All right, and then in terms of the equipment for the, we're talking about a, Getting a wish list. Yeah, the cedar. Hydro cedar. Hydro cedar is down on the list now. The leaf blower. Ah, yeah, leaf blower, which is not just your garden variety, the leaf blower, it's to keep the ditches clean once they've been stoned. And also to clean the roads before they grade them so they don't hold leaves. So that's just the one wish list. That formal announcement hasn't come out yet. Okay. So I will get something, I'm sure. But we've spent the money. As soon as I get it in my inbox, Well, that's mouthful. Thank you. Keep moving through on the order here. We have a couple applications for use of the park. And Pierce Hall Community Center on June 30th wants to have their annual ice cream social with the ice cream for all antique cars, games for kids. And I would move to approve. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Ice cream and no cars. Yeah, aren't you going to bring it? And we also have another application from the White River Valley players for the annual harvest fair on September 7th. And that's, we all know what the harvest fair is. I'm pretty sure. And it's, I've moved to approve again. Second. All in favor? Thirty-first. All right. Say what? I said it's our thirty-first. Thirty-first, yeah. Get some of that busy work out of the way. And so then I guess these next items on the agenda amendments fall under the guest Frank Russell. You would talk about two Maple Hill road culverts who outflow onto your property. Yep. This is my letter that pertains to that. I don't know if you want all this amount of our information. All right. Thank you. First, obviously I'm flourishing for information about the roads and culverts here. And I want to thank particularly Patty Harvey for sending me this 23-page document which has all you want to know about rills and in slope, whatever. And then she sent me a nice memo to the reported that had included a second for recent site visit report from a Vermont district engineer relating to Maple Hill on a section of it. And then there was this emerging handout on the kitchen. Do you have all that stuff in here? Yeah. And I offered to pay Patty for this but she said, oh no, I was trying to build a town here. And doing so I could show this if I only had, only if I had new photos. But I do. This is a 2008 store. This is Irene. I'm sorry you've seen these three but not this one of these two. And that's what my property looks like right now. Might as well show them to the camera since they're a wider audience. Okay, Mason, this is Irene. Oh, I'm sorry. This is the 2008 storm that affected camp like in Grandville. This is Irene that affected my property. This is the beginning of the storm and the ocean that washed over my property. And then this is the lagoon that my garden became. And this is the outflow from the culvert from Greg and Gene White's property. And this is what my property looks like now. Something? Right. Well, thank you for taking all these. All right. So maybe this will have some historical value for people who haven't lived here. And it actually seems like a lot of people watch walk on, Mason. So I have people have come up to me and said, oh, what a horrible thing happened to you. And I say, oh, okay. This is the storm in 2008. And I'm familiar with it from, because I was living in Grandville at that time. This is what happened to that bridge near Vermont Home Bakery, where maybe something similar happened with lower Bethel Mountain Road, where the water just paid away at the surface of the road and it caught and collapsed in time. And this is me walking on Route 100 South in the direction of Grandville in about water up to my knees. So, I mean, I think by anyone's estimation, this was an act of God. I mean, it had a lot of local impact and larger than that. And then you people took this, and I thought when I arrived at the group that they were going to be arrested for going beyond the emergency and whatever lines. And this is, oh, I think Jerry went along to this. This is a very wonderful photo that appeared in the herald of the collapse of that bridge that connects Route 73 to 100. But I mean, that's, it's a very beautiful photo of a very, you know, disaster event. And obviously that's the last of our meetings in this book. I mean, the herald had so many articles that they made it into the book. So I think I would... I guess I wanted an award from the Lamont Press Association for... It should have, actually. And there are about five pages on Rochester that include some, you know, the year. But I think, you know, I would call that an act of God as well. As to whether Route 415 was an act of God, and you know, I'm not sure. I don't think so. People might suggest it. Oh, this was an act of God that scoffed at me, but whatever. Okay. But I guess it's a matter of judgment. Okay. All right. So this is, I'm sorry. I'm going to point these out because I'm going to refer to these in my letter. This is the, what happened to Greg White's... This is what happened to Greg White's, you know, to the bottom of Greg White's driveway and there's a culvert right at the bottom of that. Now, this is the, this is what happened to my property just at the beginning of all this water moving. And so, I mean, it looks like, I don't know, it looks like the ocean. It doesn't look like anything on land. And this is the legume that replaced my garden. And it's just, well, I mean, obviously there's going to be clay and silt inches deep. And this is the bottom of the culvert. And this, there's a culvert from the, from the bottom of Greg White's driveway. And then it outflows onto my property. And that's a picture of the, of the down end of the culvert. And that's another picture of the down end. And really, there wasn't much water flowing first. So I think it really didn't perform at all well. I mean, so I have a question about a different orientation of the culvert. And this is the mound of dirt that's still in front of my house. And I've offered it to the town for the road. We try not to put dirt on the road. Don't put gravel on the road. But silt, I know that you, you just allow that silt and some of your topsoil too, right? No, actually, very little. Did you get some of that back out of there? Okay. I challenge you about that. Yeah, okay. Anyhow, but, yeah, but. No, I want to be, I want to be gratuitous here. Yep, yep. gratuitous? No, that's probably not the right word. Informative. No, no, no, I want to be. No, okay. Anyway. So I'm not going to drag you through the whole two cages. All right, I'm going to refer to culvert A. And that's the one at the, at the foot of Greg, Greg White's, Greg and Gene White's driveway. Yeah, so this culvert, and I'm reading from my letter now, this is a paragraph, right? Yeah, so this culvert, I'm requesting that, that the culvert be oriented so that it outflows directly into the drainage ditch parallel to Maple Hill Road. At the June 10th Select Award meeting, I will show the photo of the outflow from this culvert on August 29, 2000. I'm sorry, that should be 19. Where one Rochester was struggling with the impact, I'm sorry, no it is, pardon me. At the June 10th Select Award meeting, I will show the photo of the outflow of this culvert on August 29, 2011. When Rochester was struggling with the impact of Tropical Storm, I read. This culvert drained directly onto my property on the path of water outflowing from this culvert, culvert carried directly to the use and juniper bushes providing cover for my 250 gallon liquid propane tank. The Irene photo shows the path of road debris and sand left after water subsided. The picture here, sorry, the lighting wasn't very good. You can see that the sill is carrying right to here which is where my LP tank is, and then the 50 gallons there. All right, the Irene photo shows the path of road debris and sand left after water subsided. This LP tank is a source of fuel for heating our house, for heating our water and for cooking. Thus in my view, the current orientation of this culvert poses a danger to my wife's and my own health and safety and a danger to our house. As to the performance of this culvert during the April 15 storm, the destruction of the bottom of the white driveway where you find the opening of this culvert was total and dramatic as I demonstrated with the photo I shared with you. But as I can also demonstrate with photos, the outflow of water and debris from this culvert onto my property was nearly non-existent. With its current orientation, this culvert simply doesn't performance don't you will. In my view, then, the reorientation of this culvert to outflow into the drainage dish is necessary. However, this is profiting from conversations with Cougar and with materials, Pat Harris and me. However, I understand from reading materials that Pat Harris sent me and from conversations with Rhodes Crewform and Campion that the town has the right to maintain existing drainage. In the event that the town chooses to take the action chooses not to take the action of reorienting this culvert, which I've requested, I would appreciate the town's assistance to restore a swale which had previously existed under a large apple tree bordering Maple Hill. This is on which we're clearly intended to carry water away from the location of the about mentioned LP tanks. And in the conversation with Cougar I had, he was aware of that swale. Culvert B, this is the culvert that is just above the one I was just referring to. And this is the culvert that this water flowed from during Irene. And you can draw a couple of conclusions from this photo. Three actually, I think. One, there was a lot of water. Two, the culvert actually performed very well. It did its job of carrying water from the culvert to the channel and obviously the channel was overwhelmed. And maybe it's not the two points. But I mean, first it did, there was a lot of water. It did its job mean well. But basically it just overwhelmed the channel and just came right down. And I have to thank, I think the Harvey's, I think they designed the landscape because the water came down through the pines and down the slope. And that's just above the closed line at just right angle, right to the end of the property. So that was a design thing. Anyhow. Mr. Chairman, if I might interrupt, maybe the select board of the prudent to call a special meeting to hear of a line owner's concerns about his property. We've heard this now for three different meetings. You haven't heard this at all. I think it's going to continue. You haven't heard this part at all. This is a separate item, distinct and different from other items I've asked. It doesn't go back to April 15th. No, it does not. You are incorrect. You can look at the generous. No, I'm... So Frank, if you could keep it civil, please. No, I'm telling you he's incorrect for whatever reasons. This is a separate item I'm raising, which follows from... Yeah, you can raise it, but can you just calm down a little bit? No, I'm just... I'm going to have my say here. I'm not going to have this deferred to some meeting. Well, you can... But I'm not going to let that happen. This culvert deed. All right, viewing the orange cone, marking the outflow end of this culvert, I thought that this culvert at the very northern corner of my property beyond the stand of pine trees was going to be replaced with a larger culvert. This culvert outflows into an existing channel in the water, moving through Russell Gannon, and then my property flows into Wingbrook. Road crews formed and championed and formed me whereby that I was in error, that this culvert was not one of the two culverts to be replaced on our section of Maple Hill. There is already a roadstone on the bank where the channel mentioned about the bank which water and debris would impact as they flow from the culvert to the forest from a storm event. This stone appears to have been placed there. I mean, it seems to me it's too neat to have been placed by a storm, whether by Charles Smith's crew or by the road crew, I don't know. In any case, this added stone has strengthened the resilience of this channel to damage from storm water and debris. I would appreciate assistance from the town. And again, I would appreciate assistance from the town and further strengthening this barrier through the deposit of additional stone along the bank. Third item. Insult regretting of Maple Hill Road. This is something I mentioned in my thesis. Finally, consideration needs to be given to regretting the storm damage, the storm damage affected section of Maple Hill Road so that pitches to the ditch side of the road. So, can I interrupt for a second when you keep referring to the ditch side of the road? Which are you referring to? There's only one ditch side or the other side. There's only one ditch side, as I'm sure you've noticed from having been there. Well, no, I'm just trying to make this clear. That's on the other side of the road from your property. That's right. All right. Greg White. He's referring to the east side of the road. East side of the road. Okay. No, I just wanted to make that clear because not everyone has been there. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I have to thank you for having visited the disaster scene and I apologize. There was only one ditch side of Maple Hill where I am and that's on the other side. For the common crown surface grading of Maple Hill road, water such as that would powerfully outflow the ditch beyond White's driveway will, in line with you, assuredly produced the washout, which is so severely damaged in northeast corner of my property. Lawn and lads, that's what I meant. Once water has passed beyond the crown, there is nothing to stop it. No ditch, no berm on my side of the road. At the May 13th Select Board meeting, I showed a photo documenting the surge over the water onto my property, carrying wood, roads, stone, dirt, white material, grater on the road, et cetera, and creating a lagoon where what were our vegetable garden had been for 80 years now. A lagoon was subsided into inch by inch piled, which subsided into inch by inch piled into clay and silk. An in-slugged grading of Maple Hill road would cause storm water to flow in the direction of the quite deep stone-lined ditches, which DECMRGP is directing town to construct and maintain. That's what the Vermont District Analyst Kalyat that such in-slugged grading would involve bringing a lot of road, bringing a lot of road material. I propose to donate to the town that considerable quantity of supplementary will still pile up on the northeast corner of my property. I trust that as you continue to conform to the expectations of the MITP standards, you will have my file of testimony, including the letter at hand, when time comes to consider this section of Maple Hill road. I have to hope that going forward, we are all working for this end goal, and be assured that going forward, I intend that my voice will be heard. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Frank. So that is the two Maple Hill road culverts aspect that you added to the agenda. And now about the Rochester infrastructure resiliency roads and culverts questions. Is that something separate, or did we kind of cover that? This will be short. I don't want to, I need us to read that letter, but I think the rest of it will be short. I would kind of swap this out in detail, but I think there are basically two questions. And I have one for the road commissioner and one for the road performance. Just what are the duties and responsibilities of Rochester road commissioner, and what are the duties and responsibilities of Rochester road performance? I have to hope that DEC has provided a list of the duties and responsibilities for each of these positions. In any case, I've given you an email for response. This seems to me that's the basic question. Okay. And what are the duties and responsibilities and outreach? And then the next question, how are we going to fulfill them? All right, that's all I have to add. All right. Then we've got info, local, state, and federal resources, contacts, agencies from making whole Rochester private property owners who suffered from April 15 storm damage. Yeah, and we know, I was surprised that that hadn't been a gender item that one of the select would members would have put on the agenda. I mean, I heard from you when the Rochester Rebuild Foundation and I heard from, for example, Pam Sterling that two rivers, Auduclici Regional Commission, was a resource for water related issues. But I was hoping you would be able to fill that in for me. And obviously in terms of state resources, the Department of Environmental Conservation is a rich source. It has couple pages of numbers and resources. I think people would be thinking they should go to the Department of Environmental Protection, but that's the Attorney General. Then if you want assistance, numbers, hotline numbers, then the Department of Environmental Conservation is a source. And I thought this would be not more in Joan Allen's ability, but I was looking for also resources after we've accepted the FEMA. My understanding is that GEC would be able to assist us with money for private arms. But if we're kicking after FEMA has been approved, assuming Donald Trump doesn't tell us all the drop, I guess. But that's what I would recommend to go to the Department of Environmental Conservation site. And then there's just a lot of material there and a lot of phone numbers that people can follow up on. Do you have ideas yourself? You covered most of those there. Those are where you'd go. As I recommended to you, perhaps the Rebuild Rochester Committee is, yeah, and usually that's for more little dire circumstances. Of course, that was formed during Irene and it did a lot of cleaning up of people's houses, more houses that were trashed. And currently those funds are used more for people like mostly elderly or people that can't afford heating fuel and such like that. But that's application that's available. I was hoping the walker transmission of this meeting would maybe get people thinking about, okay, so my driveway walked out and became part of somebody else's front yard. What do I do? I think C is a good source. I think two rivers was actually a good source. That's all we have there. So your last one on here so far is that you've got a notification as many people did that Green Mountain Power is going to do some vegetation management and they're right away? Yeah, we probably did receive that. Anyone who has trees and vegetation on the Green Mountain Power is right away to have gotten that notice. But I was surprised that the select boy didn't. I mean, that's just talking. I didn't. Did we get a notice? I don't think so. I think it's more of the property owners. I don't know if you want to copy with what you already have it. Martha, do you have a copy of that? The same for Green Mountain Power? Yeah. No, I don't. I think I never got one. I don't know either. Did you get an extra one? Power ones, huh? Power ones. Excuse me? Yeah. I don't have any power on that property. Okay, so thank you. Yeah. So I think just the right way of the property going over here. But I, I, I, I, I mean, this was just me. Well, of course not. Of course not. This was just the crazy and it adds up with the select boy because I'm, I'm sure you're going to get called with this. Because, because, um, and then we would probably refer them to Green Mountain Power. I think that they notify you and if you have certain, certain concerns and issues, then you get in touch with them. There's a contact, there's a contact person. Yeah. But, but my experience with, with this, with this bridge, with this bridge over Wingbrook and at that meeting with, what is it, the foreign service? You know, I had no complaints at all about Greg Ross, about the town or about carving. I did have complaints about, I mean, um, with the Wingbrook tree experts, I think was the firm that, the power company had hired. And they were just incredibly aggressive about cutting, cutting trees. I mean, just, it just, it just, I mean, I think they ravaged the trees on my, on my property. And, I mean, Greg Ross said, would it be okay if they, you know, cut the trees and, you know, the power company, power people? But, I don't know. But I think if I'd realized what they would do, I would have said, no, why don't you get some piece of paper and just slow it down? Mike had a comment. You know, I was kind of wondering what this has to do with, kind of the Rochester and the Slate Park. That would bring them power cutting. We don't have much control over that. It has to do with, it has to do with a large amount of property. It's your property. You, they've got a right of it. It's, yeah. It's, um, the Slate Board can't help doing that. I am trying to, I don't know, why do I bother? I try to, I'm trying to alert, and I, I was trying to alert the Slate Board that this was going to be going on, on roadways that our, our, Rochester. It always goes on. And also to, you know, maybe get out ahead of Greenland Power and, um, just very aggressive, you know, cutting them, cutting them, cutting them trees and vegetation. That's, it has to do with Rochester. That has to do with Rochester. There's some, a right of way of the, of the Greenland Power. But I mean, next time I won't bother calling anyone's attention to it at all. I'll just make my own phone call, I guess. Right. Well, that's really what you have to do for that, and you wouldn't be in the town's, you know, process to call and, you know, and say, what are you doing on this private land? It's, it's, it's your job to, that's why they sent you the letter. You know, it's, I think people, yeah. But I guess why, especially in the, but now as we have a public forum here and it's, it's information that people that got the letter, if they, that they also go with, sometimes about spraying of, of herbivores and if people don't want that, you can, you, they give you a chance to register as, please don't, you know, do that on my land. Yeah. If you wanted to share it with other Rochester residents, the Front Porch Forum is a great avenue for that. Yeah. And you, I was trying to be courteous in the county. Yeah, you're talking specifically about your land. I'm talking about my land and also about the Rochester roads, Naples Hill and sort of, what it once was, our land. We heard you. We were good. So, we had one more thing on the agenda that you added about the Board of Listers and civil authority. Yeah. What's that about? All right. I've gotten to know a lot of what people tell me what does that have to do with anything? Why don't I bring this to some other forum and whatnot? But no, I received a notice of a notice from the Board of Listers. I grieved my property evaluation and and everything was in due course and I received the I received a notice back to them that my appeal was denied. And so I said, pursuant to Title 32 Vermont Statues annotated sections all the way. A person agreed about the final decision of the Board of Listers. The after grievance they may appeal to the Board of Civil Authority of the Town. I get, fine. No, I know what the next step is. But my question is, I mean I indicated in my I indicated in my grievance the grounds in which I was, I don't know, I indicated in my appeal the grounds in which I was grieving the evaluation. But if the Board of Listers is not required to give me reasons for their denial of my appeal, like I'm saying this is I get I mean I don't know the answer to that really. No. But it seems to be some kind of violation of due process. Well, I think you can your next step is to call for Board of Civil Authority to review the grievance. But this, but they're saying this and this, I'm not the only one who appealed to the evaluation. So I think this pertains well to me. There are several every year that go through the grievance process. But it says the appeal must be made in writing and delivered to the town court and it must briefly set forth the grounds upon which the appeal was placed. So it would be helpful to find us through the grounds on which the appeal was tonight. I think that would come out in the Board of Civil Authority hearing. And then there'll be another second. Well, beforehand I'd like to understand that. Well, and you could ask the Listers for that. So I need to contact the Board of Listers and say what? Say you'd like to have more of a beat prior to going to the Board of Civil Authority. Perhaps you could have more of an explanation of why they did not change the value. And it says that this seems so kind of broad. And help you make that decision. It seemed like it was leaving out a step to me. Okay. I'm done. Yeah, thank you. You reached. Mason, you have a comment. Oh, I was just curious. Could you join the crowd and everyone else is on camera? Civil Authority issue. It would be wonderful if you could explain who is on our Civil Authority Board and how that process works. Is it something that I haven't seen in our annual town meetings? We had a bit of an issue it seemed during the last election around civil authority of the town. It still has some questions going on. So can you please explain Civil Authority to camera to the folks at home? Can you go over your list there? The Board of Civil Authority is made up of the Listers, the Select Board members and the Justice of the Pieces. Pieces. Yeah. Those are the Pieces of the Civil Authority. And the Town Clerk. And the Town Clerk. Once the Listers have done a site visit for agree events and come to their next conclusion, they do comparisons to other properties and they come to a conclusion on whether or not the property value should be changed. If the property owner still doesn't agree with that and wants to grieve to the next level, they can go to the Board of Civil Authority. The Board of Civil Authority gets together. The person presents their point of view. The Listers present their point of view. The Board of Civil Authority then does another site visit to the house, the property, and comes and does their own conclusion. After that, the process goes to the State Board. If that is not settled. If that's not settled, they still have one more recourse to go to the State Board. State Board of Property Evaluation? The State Board of Unjust Disposition No, I don't think we have that one yet, but if we if we need more engineers, we'll find that one. Yeah. Our party it goes to negation. Right. And at that point, after the Board of Civil Authority, you would start paying for your representation. In reference to election issues, the realtors are involved without the Civil Authority? Realtors? Realtors. All the other property that I am a licensed I am a licensed realtor. I'm also a licensed real estate broker. Realtor is different from a broker. Okay. So you put your state news on Civil Authority? Listers. Listers. Listers are involved with our political process when it comes to election and Civil Authority's not shot. No. No. No. Love it. Okay. Two different boards. You're getting into a long trend there since Civil Authority. And who is? She just rewind the tape and she'll and you can see the tape. Yeah. You can get another read on this. The Board of Civil Authority are the three listers, the five Justice of the Peace persons and the three select board members and the town clerk. Two quick decisions. 12 people. I statute. I statute. Yes. So it's the three listers, the five Justice of the Peace, the three members of the select board and the town clerk. The town clerk. Thank you. Thank you. I mean my wife and I left the listers meeting thinking we had a good meeting with them. So I mean I couldn't accept decisions. I would just I'm sure that I'm sure that they have documentation that backs up their decision. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Sure. Wasn't complaining about the listers? Yes. All right. Did to Mike, did we cover everything you wanted to talk about Brook Street? Or no. Certainly not. You don't know a good job, they said. I was just wondering, I've got a letter from Chris Muff myself. Yeah. That's some letter to V-Track. They just asked me what can we do about this thing? And they said that there was a plan sent to the town. In April. Says the Vermont Agency of Transportation has been providing assistance to develop a project to repair the closed segment of this highway. V-Transway have provided a traffic detour plan to the town which designates Vermont 12, Vermont 107, and Vermont 100 as the detour. This plan includes portable, changeable message signs which are the electronic signs that you refer to. The cost of running these signs is reimbursable under the F-A-W-A-E-R program. We have discussed this with the town. Please let us know if you have any other questions. Does the town have this plan? We do. We just did. We'll do it. And it was not clear in the beginning that that cost was going to be reimbursable under the cost of that. Right. Right. Right. Put in place. Because we're looking at like $30,000 plus dollars for for signs. Because it was stated that there was $35,000 for signs. Right. Right. So so there I said that this re-is reimbursable so I was wondering if the town had this plan Yeah. How come and many people might have got it? It's just been one of one of many things. One of many things. Yeah. But it is. But we are but yeah, it is. And we're moving forward on it. For a very reason. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's happening. Yeah. We're doing a good job answer. Yeah. Our top priority is to get Bethamountain road back serviceable again. Where we could drive on it. That's that's number one. Yeah. I understand that. I think, you know, how do you put a price on somebody's life if they get killed coming down the road? Yeah. Isn't that a priority? That's why we're fixing Bethamountain road because we didn't want to put a price on someone's life by driving down that road the way they did on it. Right. No, I understand that. There was a lady there that that could have died. But if these signs that had been put out it would eliminate a lot of this traffic because people would know they stay out from Bethamountain. That's, you know, that's all I'm saying. If you knew about this, I couldn't have been sooner. Yep. Well, we're getting there. We're trying. It's better now. It's like everything else. Yeah. It's way more complicated. Yeah, yeah. Everything is. So this is going to be Martha, you have a question? Oh, do I remember correctly that one of the things that was mentioned about signage was some sort of electronic? That's what that's what we're talking about. Yeah. That's what I thought. Yeah. I just wanted to because I was over here to park over the weekend and there were some people two different out of state cars who stopped me and asked about stuff and they're very, very confused and I was trying to explain it to them. Yeah. So these will be like a one hundred and twelve? Yeah, probably one hundred and twelve. It has recommended that we rent four, two would be on the Bethamountain side and two would be on the Rochester side. And then the state, right away, so yeah. I think that would be a big help. Yeah. They ain't going to stop the speeding because there's locals that do too. Yeah. I think, you know, it would cut down on the traffic which would cut back on the speeding. What's happening with the speed bumps that we talked about a long ago? They're somewhere on a truck. They're over. Good. Yeah. They're bumping around in a truck somewhere around the road. Yeah. Maybe that will feature the tractor trailer that came down this morning where this jake brakes on all the way from Debbie Tramble found through. I didn't know if that would teach. Yeah. It was, it was pretty crazy. I heard when we called the mountain. Yeah. It was crazy. Yeah. And, I don't know if you've got a letter from your smackery but I spoke to him over the weekend and he watched a huge camper trailer go around the barriers and head up Bethamountain road with eight motorcycles behind him. He said the motorcycles were able to turn around. Yeah. The trailer was not. It had to back all the way down to the Huntington house. In the meantime he was able to get a hold of our the trooper who came down and spoke to all those people. Now twice while I was down down and went home the other day Saturday night we came up and there's this car stopped right in the middle of the intersection. We couldn't go around him because he was right dead in the middle of the road. He was looking at his GPS. Right. Yeah. Yeah. The GPS at Robusway. Yeah. We rolled down the window and said can we help you when I index it and where are you going? He said Bangor, Maine. Back down here for down a hundred dollars. Same thing happened yesterday. I'm coming up from downtown and the car is right in front of me. He pulled into Noel Smith's driveway. I pulled up beside him and I said can I help you? He said well my GPS says I need to go. I said no, you don't. Where are you headed? He said let's choose it. I said you need to go back to the one under him and one else at him. Yeah. Well that is the GPS has not done anything. No. No, they have not. Maybe then I don't. But thank you for what you've done. Thank you. Yeah. If you want major, we took our trip out last. We knew before we got there if there was a road post to reach out and if we had to switch lanes or whatever. So we must just do it on the major. Yeah, probably. Yeah. I'd like to make another sign. Be gentle. And I know. Mike and I had a discussion about one of the signs. I would like to make a sign that says your GPS is wrong. And put it down here by the Huntington house because that's what they keep saying. The GPS is going us but they're not reading the signs on the park. No, no, they don't. Something's got to be down here. Yeah. So Diane, should we issue you a uniform? I could be the traffic officer. I can't. I'm telling you between, between three o'clock on Friday afternoon and eight o'clock Sunday night, it's not Brook Street, it's the interstate. It's unbelievable. It is. It's unbelievable. Nancy. It also might be helpful if Huntington house would move their sign that says when they're open to the right. It's in the town right of way. But it might be helpful if they were to move their sign over so that people really could see the signs. I've seen people see the sign up so close to the trip around right there. Yeah. So that sign does block it. It blocks it. Yeah. But there's a sign down by 100, the interstate. Oh yeah, there's a lot of signs. Yeah. And this morning I saw, well, live stuff, the constable will go up about quarter to nine. I signed them down about nine o'clock at 345, was it? We saw them again. Coming back down. Coming back down. Now I don't know if you just write me a road, but that's not doing them a damn better good. He's going to sit somewhere. And I don't even know if he's working for us. I don't know what was, but it was a constable car. He's going from Bethel. He's going from Bethel. Yeah, because he lives in Forestdale, so that's probably him going to work. Yeah. Taking the shortcut. Yeah, why didn't he go? How about a seven? Dave, Harvey, you had your hand up. Just worry about speed bumps. I'm just wondering if I can get around it with a motorcycle. Or are they going to be continued to see all their crops? I didn't know how wide they're going to be. You can't overspeed about motorcycles. Yeah. Well, what to talk to is John. Talk to Cougar. He's going to order them the length and size. I can't recall. Yeah. Yeah, those are the signage. No, yeah, they come with sounds. They'll move on the bike if it's not a motorcycle. Yeah. I don't like when I'm repeating the motorcycle. But that's so humble. Right. It's all right. You're not a long day. So did she get permission? Is she can put a sign as long as it's not in the town right away? She can put as many signs as she wants, and they don't have any bad words on them. She just didn't know how to spell car. I've sold the car down. Okay. Are you going to say anything worse than that? Yes, I did. I didn't. That was one of several words that we could say. I understand. I understand. But it is a family neighborhood, remember? I understand it. I mean, for that hour that slide was up, man, they were going slow down. So speaking of reading, got any updates for us from the library? We have a regular meeting tomorrow afternoon, and there are genders posted to the rest. Okay. What time tomorrow afternoon? We actually, we have a longer meeting. We're starting at 4.30, but our regular meeting starts at 6.00. Oh, an afternoon social. And they're having some wonderful co-branches at the library on Thursday nights if you haven't been. Is it, I'm sorry, is there a working group meeting tomorrow related to the planning commission? It's not, it's not a planning publisher. Officially a planning meeting. No, there is, yeah, there's a public, this is a public meeting. Yeah, it's a public meeting about, that's Rochester. Yeah, the Rochester town plan. No, no, no, it's not, it's envisioning the future of Rochester, trying to energize. Rochester vision meetings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I guess I didn't see a notice of it. I mean, I wrote it down at the time. I've seen some notices around, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. So tomorrow at 6.00, I guess. Yes, yeah. And John is not here, so we don't have, I guess we've talked a lot about the roads already. Terry, you've got any updates for us? We're going to do that right here on Thursday. Is that the, which one? Is that the one by the, on Pevine or by the school? Both. Both. Take the one out. Pevine, I'm taking the top off, I have to put them on the school. Okay. Because I saw the invoice for, it looks like a new hydrant. That's got to be a brand new hydrant. Yeah, okay. Okay. So anyway, you can fix them. Okay. You know, you can't buy a lot of hydrants. Yeah. It's scary. Part of the town of Brunner and Harvey is still in the digging. All right. We, thank you. Tony's, that brings us down to, you had an announcement that you wanted to make, Mason. Your old business. Well, old business, I mean. Oh, missing book. The announcement is, one of our roads has a fantastic lupin bloom right now. So on 73 100, when you're coming to town before you take the left on the bridge, take a notice of the volume of lupins all over that situation. That's the next three weeks. So it'll help put a smile on you. All right. Thank you. Better than a shovel. Yeah. Oh, 73 100. Thank you. End of town. Yeah. Hey, Mason. Mine haven't popped yet. Well, that's our little one. All right. Ah, again. Right. Right. All right. And then down to the old business of the missing book, there's been no, haven't found anything on that. I don't know if you had any more questions on that. I haven't physically been looking. By the way, thank you for all your time. For all of you. Thank you. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Bruce has done the lion's share of the work on that. Yeah. So it's still missing. Okay. Yeah. I gave you a request. I got some stuff back in your warrior. Yeah. I came out and looked through some stuff that what you would call started a couple hours looking through. But I'm still looking for the documents that you quoted in the two public meetings that are going to meet in the in the that was only two or three years ago. Did you actually read something? No, actually that information came from Mason's first lawyer Tony DeLaurier and she had shared that information. So I was just quoting her. She had shared that information that they'd found, you know, what they the discussion of it but never found any action taken. And that's that's that's where I came with that. And so I didn't read it myself. I was just going by what the lawyer had brought to the conversation. So I don't know where she found that. So maybe I shouldn't have listened to the lawyer but I did. But you didn't personally read it? No. No, I didn't. Yeah. Yeah. As far as I recollect. All right. Should we talk to her about that sometime? Yeah. It'd be interesting to see what I'm curious where where she read that. Yeah. I might be so missing to speak with her about that. Yeah. Who's that curious where she read that. If that if she read that in a book that's missing now that's kind of interesting. Yeah. That's what I thought was interesting about this whole thing. Yeah. That information came and gotten from somewhere. Mm hmm. Yeah. We've got no minutes from 1920 to 1950. Right. Oh, is it 1920 now? No. Isn't it 1930? Yeah. These minutes of 1958 is gone. Or are they just getting bigger or something to be hopefully expanded? There's always hope, right? It's not for these minutes. Not for these minutes. It doesn't seem. But I don't want to sit here and say give up and don't look for them. They're totally gone. I don't know that. You do. You just said you don't want to hear hearsay. So Mike. What's the definition of public records? Public records. The definition of public records. Does that mean that anybody can go into the public records? Yes. Yes. They are public. So why are you people doing all this research? Yeah. I'm just trying to find a book, Mike. Right. You know, if somebody wants me to read the book, I'll come in and look at it. That's what I did. I'll get you in on it. Okay. Martha, you had a question too? No, I'm just going to say when this originally came up several months ago, I looked at the bound volumes that we had at the Herald Office because I didn't know how long ago somebody actually came to slip their names and covered them for the paper and I thought that might be helpful. But I could not find for maybe even the early 70s on the back where anybody did cover them for the newspaper. So I know that's no help, but I just was thinking that public and other avenues or something like that. Newspapers did things differently in different times, I guess. Say like 10s. But if you want anything from the 80s on, Frank. What provides the official record of what happens at a select point needed? The she's taken notes minutes and we typed them up and reviewed them and that's one of the first things that we did was to improve that record of the last I understand. Yeah, that's that's the mechanism of approval and that seems but I guess it is a question about what about what is the official record of the meeting? Because it seems to me that and I have to thank Julie and I have to thank Martha and also Mason for providing records of these meetings. This seems to me sometimes make it a matter of what somebody teams is important but I know in Martha's account of a meeting where Dane Larry was speaking she quoted Dane Larry's you know you have to the road crew is doing the best they can and you have to roll with it over and I guess Julie chose not to quote that directly and I'm sure I'm sorry I'm sure Mason has the whole meeting on a video record with open media so it's just a question of the official record is what the town for submits we are approved. Yes Nancy I don't think what you read in the paper is exactly what could be construed to be the official record. No, she's not she's the marketer Martha does her own minutes. No, no, but I I can't say I am the minute taker for two organizations now and I understand it's like totally difficult and I had I had the secretary at the the parish office say you know Frank these ministers took with three pages long could you cut it down to two so we could do back to back on the and I said no I can't because that doesn't represent the point you don't use it. Right, okay. So thank you. Mason. Just a reference to Patty you're wondering about the dates of the missing book Bruce can share that information with you because you put it in a letter form. I put it in a inventory of the vault that I gave to the town. And missing 1920 and 1950. There is no book that has that title between 1920 and 1950. Okay. There is no book that has that title. And there's no minutes. Which would have been in the book. So it may be a book that's missed title. Yeah. All right. Well, that's the one we want. I was talking with Tony just Sunday night. And I asked her about this particular situation and she told me that she saw in the thing where they had discussed it. And then she went to look in the following meeting and there was no there was no minutes. There was no book. It was like she went for one meeting to nothing. In the minutes. Right here in the central district, this was long time. I have a notation from a meeting before I was on the select board August 28th, 2017 where Tony DeLaurier was in attendance with Mason at that meeting. So if if that's a date you're looking for for when Tony was here it was August 28th, 2017 because I was going to select board meetings back then too. So I was making some notes. Are you sure it wasn't Hancock? Wasn't she doing research in Hancock as well? So one question I have is that what? Could you come around and be part of the scene here? Yeah, yeah. So James can see James. The Secretary of State opinion the Secretary of State Jim Fondo's opinion is that it should only take 15 days for a town to respond. It doesn't have its minutes or it doesn't. So tonight this select board can say we have no idea where those minutes are. They're lost. Maybe stolen. We don't know but the public deserves an answer. So when will that answer come? Is it another year from now that you're looking for this? But Jim Condos feels 15 days is a reasonable time for any town to make an announcement? Have you lost them or not? So my question is when are you going to make an announcement? Did we not just say that we don't have the book? We can't find the book? Yeah. That's I mean. We've been putting this in the minutes tonight that you officially are done looking for the book because it's a loss. I'm not going to say that we're done looking for the book. I mean we're we're we're we're we're how are now it's such a Secretary of State feels it's a reasonable time. We'll go on advice of our council. We have now more months. We're going to talk to the lawyers. It's it's it's unreasonable to expect that wait would you let me finish speaking? It's unreasonable to expect that as time goes on if those minutes are found that we're going to just ignore them. So no it's on the radar. So yes we can say right now that we don't know where they are we're presumed they're lost have been destroyed what happened but we don't know what happened. But if they come about when we're flipping through some book that doesn't seem relevant then we'll say hey here they are this just because we're saying we don't have them we reserve the right to find them in the future. I heard you but I'm saying that you talked to Jim Kondo's he thinks 15 days is a reasonable time for a town to find his books. I think that's all I'm saying is like are you going to drag this out another few more months? Do you want me to say it again? We we we have not found them. It's okay you haven't found them. I'm telling you you're not hearing me. The opinion of the Secretary of State is it's reasonable for 15 days when a request is made that you find your books. And then you should announce to the public if you just did that. Yeah yeah yeah but you don't hear what I'm saying you're not saying anything. As a Jim Kondo the Secretary of State feels 15 days is a reasonable amount of time for a town to make an announcement. They have the books or they don't include the statement for a minute. I just heard them saying they don't know what the books are. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. I don't care what Jim Kondo said. I know you don't. Okay well he did there. Maybe you should double up for him. I know she's come one. All right. I believe it's just one book. Pardon? Is it just one book? It's hard to tell. I would not think so. It's a book scan a few years ago. There are some that are really small. Yeah you got it. And then there's some that are. Yeah. No right. And it's all in the hand right. Yeah. Yes. Some of it are tight. Hard to read yes. Very beautiful handwriting but hard to read. And now we're going back to 1920. Nobody else says anything else they want to didn't talk about. We're going to call that good for tonight and thank you all for going. No wait wait wait Harlan had his hand up first. I just want to say one positive thing the road crews out my way grinded up trees and shit I couldn't believe it they actually they well actually couldn't believe it. They took down trees that were going to fall before they fell. Yeah. Rather than waiting for a weekend or a holiday for somebody to call in so it can go on over time. I just want to put it on the cooter for taking care of this. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All kinds of racket up on Bethel mountain and I'm happy to hear it. Okay. That's only just begun. Right. Yeah. Those were tree trimming they were trimming their trees back out of the right away in preparation for a lot of grinding but then it was James O's too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Do you have something else you want to do? I was just wondering what about the constable or the we're there is we're working towards a contract with him and hopefully starting by that yeah with the sheriff and by that we're on the first July hopefully this one we're going to be starting. Yeah. Yeah. The new budget year too. Yeah. New budget year. New budget year. That's a nice encounter. Nope. Windsor. Oh we'll learn a little Windsor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They finally met together and straightened out their their thoughts. Mark, I'm going to be back but it was a different time. No comment. Okay. All right. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you.