 or 602, anything on the agenda that needs to be amended or changed? There's no point in saying. And then I just, just to clarify, so when we go to the executive session tonight, that'll just be with board members only to go through Theresa's evaluation. And then next meeting, we'll have a formal one with Theresa, so, so, okay, so that. And did everybody get the attachments I sent out today? I apologize if they were sent out today, but I was, I sent them to five. I was hoping to get all five, we got four, okay. Move to approve the agenda as written. Okay, all in favor? Aye. So we do not have any appointments this evening. And so I guess it's time to get some people walking in. So we'll just leave it up to public comment. I noticed in the paper that we were putting things out to be added. Yes. So we're putting out for ditching and coals. Which roads are we gonna be putting the coals this time? We're gonna be putting same roads we're ditching, Gilead and Spethel. Because I have a paving grant for Spethel, so I have some home replacements. So it's gonna be on Factory Hill and Randolph Center Road. And so a couple more on that road are in the paving projects. I want to get them done for the paving, for obviously better places to do the paving. And then Gilead is also getting a couple culvert replacements along with ditching. Where are you? Where am I ditching on? Gilead will go to South. I'm ditching right from the minute to hit it to just before Gary slacks. I can understand the ditching, but this happens. Well, ditching when you use the, if you use the bathroom, it takes forever. And I can understand that. But I was just kind of curious about if you were putting the coals across the hard top, I can understand that too now. I before I ditched this one, we'd be doing that on some of the dirt roads. So I'm just kind of curious about that, what we're doing in dirt roads now. Yeah, not right now, those are those with projects that will spend all the money that we've set aside for ditching is gonna be on those two roads. It's gonna be because it's. Gilead needs it in East Bethel, but that's why they're going to be, we're only going to patch your cutting on Gilead because it's paved. But I'm not repaving Gilead, so they're going to have to do a patch over the culvert. But Gilead, East Bethel is getting repaved because we got a paving grant. I know, it's going to be cleaned up, so it'll be ditched. Culvert replacement paved through the bridge last year, so East Bethel will be. So are all the culvert work happening inside the paved areas? Yes. Okay, and I think that was kind of what you're getting at. Yeah, yeah. I think what you're getting at is if there was culverts in the dirt areas, why aren't we doing that? Yeah, no, no. All within the paved areas. I think that's what we're getting at. Plus, do I have the machine there, so it's going to be faster? East Bethel, that just goes up the Lincoln farm, right? Yep, we're not going that far. It goes to the bridge? No, Factory Hill comes in, then it goes over the bridge, then that goes to Oxbow, but if you come around the corner of Factory Hill, take that right, that goes towards Lincoln farms. Right, very excuse me, I'm only paving to the bridge. I'm only paving to the bridge. Yep. So we're not going all the way to the school? Lincoln farms, part of that eventually is Randall. So the others going left, left to Grange? I'm not, we're not paving in front of the Grange, because it's not class two highway, so you can't. We can only get a paving grant for class two, and we don't have the money. They don't go up to the Lincoln farm? Not, I mean class two, no, not all the way. It does, the issue we have right now is the pavement from the bridge up to Lincoln is in such dire shape that if we just put an overlay on it, it's just all going to break out. So we're thinking that, well, one or two things, either maybe just take the bridge from the bridge to Lincoln farm, just down the pavement, add gravel and leave it dirt up through there, or we'll have to redo that road, because if you've been up through there that pavement, so the wheel ruts have got to be like a foot deep. Because especially past, towards the flat, they come off that first house, and then when you go towards clouds, it's pretty bad. So we're not, we're just, we're going to ditch up towards the bridge and get it all cleaned up. So that way the water, you know, it's like anything, right? Yeah, we're coming from 14 down into the wide. Yeah, yeah, so that's why, and it's funny too, is that, and it's weird that that's class two, because I was applying for a paving brand, and I'm like, you spell that piece of, you spell those past two by way, so other than I can't get a paving brand on our class three roads, we have to pay for that. So that was kind of the weird thing. Well, I've been over it enough times to know what it is. Then it was. Where my daughter lives. Oh, there you go. Which, over the bridge, in front of the bridge. She lives just beyond that. Oh, okay, yeah. We did, well, we fixed the bridge, so you notice that. But, yeah, that piece there isn't. Because that's the only paved road that we have in this bathroom, right? Yeah. Yeah, eventually, once you go over the bridge, there's a little bit of pavement in front of the range, and then it goes back to her in front of the bridge. Because they're not in front of the bridge, up to the platform, it's turning into a dirt road? Maybe. That? I would say do it, because all these old roads, don't say do it. When you plow it, you're not taking nothing off the road, but you're sitting. There's nothing coming out of the wheel tracks at all. Yeah. And, like you said, if you skid, just put a coat on it, you're really not doing anything. Well, we have a plan maybe next year to do the replayment pieces. Maybe. So, I mean, the thoughts have been right now is we have the piece on Gilead Road, that one-mile section of pavement on Gilead that is just the fallen part, that apparently the town paved many, many years ago because there was some free money in the state and they paved it, but it's in such a dire shape if we, unless we took it back down to dirt to repave it, it's not gonna last long. So we've been talking about potentially maybe taking that section back to dirt. Yeah, which has been that with no good, nothing. Nobody's happy about that thought. So that's why we're ditching and we call for replacement right now. I said, well, at least get in the water off the road and we'll make doing what we have for a while. And there's a couple other areas that just don't make sense like the piece from the bridge up to the farm just because of the condition of the road's end to redo that whole section will cost a lot of money. Well, that's what I think is just a temporary to take it down to dirt and then as the funds come then you could do it. By that time, maybe the road will pound itself back in the hardest way when you do pave a little last and a whole level of water. Well, I think Gilead, the furnace at the stake before that's gonna happen, people do not want that pavement to come up. So that's kind of the compromises. Well, then we're coming to ditch and we're gonna do some culprit placement and basically we're gonna deal with it until this is just all we can do right now is to get the water off the road right now and then we'll deal with it later. There was a small section we talked about paving but frankly, we don't have the money. So it's really- And it's past pothole fashion. It's just the whole road's falling apart. So it's like, I think we can call it, it's like 20 some odd thousand dollars is to take it back to dirt. And it's like 20. And then it's like a quarter million dollars to rebuild it. So it's pretty big. And then our next big project that we get a paving grant for will, well, it's gonna be tossed up. Well, no paving grants. Either gonna be Christian Hill or Camp Rock. It'll be a toss up as to what, at the time, what it is. Usually it's three years in between a paving grant. We just got this one. So Sand Hill will get repaved during then 1.7 million, the next piece of the water project. So the next phase of the water project will be less than we can get our money from money. Then we're gonna head note. We happen sooner. So- So yeah, the chain culverts are out and there's a paving that's out, right? The chain culverts, paving been up. I need to put out structures because we got, I wrote a grant for the bridge. What is that? Watershed, Camp Broken Watershed right there. Road and structures grant to reinforce that bridge right there to do some rip-rap and guard rail. I have that money. I get that grant. So that will go out and that will go out as well as Christian Hill. We got better roads money. So Sanders will be done. Started in a couple of weeks and we also got another one for Christian Hill. So which I don't have to spend for a couple of years. That's okay. Yeah, don't worry. Yeah, exactly. But I don't have to get it out this year but I'm gonna try just to might as well get everything out that I can. Just let us know when you get some free time now again. Yeah. We'll put you to work. Nine, one, one. All right. Next time I'll call that. I'll say dunk the air. Yeah, exactly. No. So any other public comment or inquiry? So Kristi Fry's here from the equity inclusion committee. So Kristi was saying they divvied him up. So Kristi's gonna do some and other members are gonna come at different times. Yeah. Good evening. Big turnout tonight. I'm glad you got here earlier. I was here really. She was here 5.30. I should have been 5.30. I was so eager. Yeah. Any more public comment? We will close that. Move on through our list for this evening. First thing as we had talked about last time was updating some of the shooting range rules and regulations which that has been done along with completion of having some sort of either hunter safety or authorized license to be partnered with somebody to be there. So that has a call. I have a quick, but David you call it so we will first because he has two changes. I think it's just a typo on the first page closed. It says before Sunday, before Memorial Day to Sunday before Labor Day. But is it supposed to be and Sunday before Labor Day? Because otherwise. Or is it supposed to have an S after the Sunday? It's not closed between those two days. That was right, that was exactly right. I was like, but it says it's open. Yeah. So I had written, so David was talking about maybe you should say all Sundays between Memorial. So what you're saying is saying Sundays before Memorial Day to Sunday before Labor Day because David he was like, should it say? It might be easy to say. All Sundays is clear out and running. So is that, so we say they're closed all Sundays between Memorial Day and Labor Day. Yeah, I like that. But that's not, doesn't include the Sunday before what you just said. Closed all Sundays between, I remember it's Sunday before Memorial Day. I know we should just put a dang date in there as well as I had done originally because this is, what do you get? Closed all Sundays to Sunday before Labor Day from between Labor Day. If you just add an S after the Sunday, both Sundays. So close Sundays. To Sundays before Memorial Day to Sundays before Labor Day. Okay, I'm going up, it's a better, I'll expect it. Or you could just put the all in front of all Sundays before Memorial Day to. All Sundays, I don't know, either way. What if you did Memorial Day weekend? Yeah, exactly. The Sunday before, I was like, oh, well, I just wanna look at it. Memorial Day to Labor Day weekend. Yeah. So close to Sundays before Memorial Day to Sundays before Labor Day. Sure, I trust your team, but that doesn't matter. I like having all in there because then there's no confusion of, oh, I thought it was just Sunday of Memorial Day and Sunday of Labor Day. All Sundays from the Sunday people. So if you add weekend, Memorial Day weekend and Labor Day weekend. Yeah, but it doesn't take, yeah. You don't, come on, come on, come on. This is what we labor on. Oh, okay. Sorry. It's gonna be a day's problem. You're excited, you're right. All right, so I will change stuff. We won't even know how to enforce them. We'll be confused ourselves. So somebody, wait a minute. This is Sunday. This is Sunday? Yeah, it's the second Sunday this weekend. The other change that Dave Eddie wanted was, he said, for example, his wife has not taken Hunter safety nor does she have a hunting license nor does she have any interest in becoming a hunter. So, but she likes to shoot for target practice. So he's wondering if we should say something about, you know, shooters are required to have submitted proof or be accompanied by someone who has, we say that for children 16 or younger must be accompanied by an adult who has successfully completed Hunter safety or holds a current state of law hunting license. So he's basically saying he wants the same thing to be said for someone using targets. But yet that was kind of Dave and Skip's point, wasn't it? Was that somebody, he had someone there who he witnessed who had not shot before. It was with someone who also had. And then maybe he had a license, but he just. I think an adult should be responsible for themselves. And I think that they should, I think getting safety, I don't think that's asking too much. Okay. I think they're asking to put out money to pay for a license on this. I think the only thing you open is the canworms here where you put for a company by, you could have one person down there with a hunting license and you could have six other people down there that just want to target shoot. Can that one person really mentor all six other people, you know? That's a good point. And you're right, I mean, and it's not, isn't hunter safety, I can't remember. I mean, it's not a bad, I mean, I see it both ways. I mean, it's not a bad thing to go through hunter safety or there's other courses you can take. There's gun handling courses. Because you're right, it's not. It's a hunter safety or equivalent. It's not just hunter safety. I mean, they teach you gun safety and all that sort of stuff. What we're looking for is a gun safety course, right? Yeah, so I like Jean's thought of like, or equivalent gun safety course. Yeah, and then, you know, children under 16. Yeah, still. Can't be a company, have to be a company by an adult. All right, so we're going to add the equivalent gun safety course to the second following, which is a little better. Then do you want to leave children 16 years or younger and must be a company by an adult? So we're going to do the same thing with successfully completed hunter safety or equivalent gun safety course. Yeah, because that follows the hunting and fishing guidelines of, because up until 17, you can fish free, you know. Right, yeah. So you need gun handling, so just leave it at gun safety, you're all happy with that. Those were Dave and Eddie's when he called. So we all did with all those changes. Yup. Can you just re-check? Changes is to make sure we have it all. So it will say closed all Sundays between Memorial and Labor Day. And then shooters are required to have submitted proof of successful completion of hunter safety or equivalent gun safety course for current state of hunting license. Children 16 years or younger must be accompanied by an adult who successfully completed hunter safety or equivalent gun safety course for current state of hunting license, just that. Move with those changes. Second. Any further discussion or re-check? All here? Yeah, fine. Okay. But you can all start. So we'll get that, I'll get that to Dave's, and then I've got to sign me. So the only question I have was, the day when he's going to come, when he's called the time payroll, so does that require us to deal with retirement? No. As opposed to being in a pointed position by the select board, or should we do the full demolition? No, these just a one-shot deal for a stipend. We don't pay retirement on, you know, some of these. Oh, so maybe it's for the... It was really only because of, like, workers' comp that there was an accident or something like that. So I talked to the LCT and they said, yeah, just put them on the payroll, just pay them one answer. I mean, do you think it might be a good idea for the long term to have that as a, I don't point the position yearly, like all these other ones that we have? Could be. The point of it was the stipend. Could be, yeah, you can always have a stipend of whatever, if you can do your yearly appointment of, you know, shooting range, just a visor or whatever you want to call the individual. You could. There's actually more than all that, you know? Yeah, except it's not a statutory position. So, but yeah, you could do whatever you want. I just needed to get them on payroll and he was like, you know, you could do a dollar or whatever, but we don't know. He goes down there and he drives and takes all the specs and stuff. But that's why we put him on, because we need to cover him with insurance after the recommendation too, so. But you could, you can, you could do, if you choose, you can make an appointment, but no, we don't have to do retirement with someone who's shot. He was a regular employee, like, the weekly paycheck in the area. Something to think about. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think we too just need to see how the next couple of years goes with the shooting range, because, you know, we had the whole, you know, insurance thing this year, then we have got to take care of who knows, maybe a year or two later, that becomes a large obstacle for us to navigate around, you know? Yeah, true. Nate's Columbus wants to move their coin drop. And they, we had, they did submit the move of insurance, as you can see, and we did tell them that they had to assign plans, they needed to improve. That was a comment from last time, and to see attachment. So they were given a sign of plan and all that, so they could provide the move of insurance, but as you can see, they want to move from the third to the 17th. I think I'm confused with the coin drop. One point we had, I thought we had a set of signs that were made up, and I could be wrong. Tell me about it. But I thought we had a set of signs made up in that fire department had, and we were gonna talk about any time that we had, like, everybody brought their own different signs. Yeah, but that's what happens now. And I could have sworn, during Greg's administration, we decided that we were getting a set of signs made up that the fire department was, is the fire department the road? Well, my recollection is this is gonna take care of, and then these individuals would have to seek them to borrow the signs. Oh, I'll ask you. That's what we had, if we did, I think, we had talked about that. Yeah, that came up in my head when I was reading this, that I was like, I thought we had a set of signs, and my recollection was the fire department had them. What I couldn't remember was, was it just town entities, like when the rec department does it, they can borrow the fire departments, or was it any entity? And that was the piece I couldn't recall. I mean, to cover us, I mean, I guess. I mean, it's safer if it's a uniform set of signs, and it's just part of the requirement, but then it's the, are we willing to sacrifice our signs to? Right, the wear and tear. And I guess, you know, Knights of Columbus, they have their own insurance, so if something happens, they do, and they have. I mean, we're, we're also giving them, we give them assigned plans, this is what you need to do. So they could borrow them from Plank, they could borrow them from J-Hudges, they could, they could borrow them from other people, they could rent them, whatever, I don't know if this is newest to me, but I can have, Steve, all you're getting about the wind drop signage. Knights of Columbus seem to have very sparse signs. Which is one of the problems, that they could a little, a different thing just before you get there. Right. Which is, it's not, you have to be a certain size. And that's what I told them, because that was your story. I'm sorry. They have to be delineated, you know, exactly. Generic signs would not necessarily include their, and from the saying, this coin drop is four. Right. Well I'm just wondering, and I mean, I don't know how much a set of signs would be, maybe $500, I don't know. But, you know, maybe something for us to think about that, to purchase the coin drop package, I guess, and have it somewhere, either, either it's down, either it's at the municipal office, in the shed. We should have a coin drop to raise money for the signs. Oh, you know, I mean, you could, you know, you could buy the signs, and you could have a fee to go to the court. Well, I know that. $10 fee, or something, or something. I know there's our signs. At least, at least then we know that the signs are the same as the signs. Because we do frequently have complaints about certain signage out there. Yeah. And all it takes is, the wrong person would be riding around on that day, or the POSHA, POSHA office, they're, Well, the signage of the fire department has, starts here at the bottom of the bridge, starts off at the curve of the top of the church here. So it's just, it's coming in on it's proper, you know, advanced warning for people coming down through there, then once you get there, it's obvious this is not your car. Some of the other ones just have a little makeshift, you know, one bike, one, one, one. So the, I'd rather have the more visible, early, early notification. Okay. So, I will say this, the Knights of Columbus knows their signage wasn't acceptable, and we told them that. I don't think that you should buy a sign package and let anyone use it, because you're going to get a suit. If there's a problem with the Knights of Columbus and we provided a signage, that's us now. They are, they all receive a sign plan. They know what they need to do. They could borrow them from any qualified, you know, agency that has it. But are we prepared that if they set up on Saturday and their signs aren't correct, that we're going to kick them off the road? Well, or you can, we could, or we could say, or we could just deny their permits in the future. And I know that the rec committee gets their stuff from the fire department. So your recollection may be correct that you bought a package that the fire department owns that they use for town entities, whereas the Knights of Columbus isn't. So my concern is a liability issue, that if they use our signs and our signs are not up to MUTC standards, as we're not setting up the sign package, you're kind of, there's a trust here. So that's one of the reasons we get their insurance. So that's my concern is I think that if we provide a signage, we're accepting a liability. So but I think what we could do is drive by their coin drop on July 17th. And if their signage is inadequate, then we could send them a letter to say, no more coin drops for you. Because you were warned, we told you your signage needed to be improved. We provide you with a package of the condition state that you will do such and such. Does the rules, or the guidelines, include positioning? In other words, do they say they should be at the curb and at the base of the street? They should, does it say it has to follow the MUTC standards? I don't have it right in here, but it does say, they are given a plan as I don't have a copy of it right here. It does say, as a sponsor agrees in writing to comply with any and all attached participant in traffic safety, a typical layout with required signs is attached. Applicant must provide required signage. Maybe, well, if not, we need to make sure that in the future, the plan includes a placement. I've been looking, see all the time, so I can't picture up the plan. That was one issue we had, Jean. I think, I don't know, Linley, if you're on the board, yeah, I think Paul definitely was. Remember when we had people that were moving? Yeah. Remember when we decided that you have to have it in this location? Oh, yeah. Only, period, period, because depending on who it was, they would move it up and down Church Street, or I think at one point we had one down here from the Prickham Crest or something, yeah. And we determined that that was the safest location and that all of them would have to go through there as well. That's where you changed it all up. You moved them to here versus the White Church, or you moved them to the White Church? It used to be they kind of either went to one or the other, and we decided that down there on Main Street wasn't safe. Yeah, that's right, yeah. And people coming in and out of Champlain Farms was too. I do remember that discussion. So we decided that Church Street would be the only location. So I'll ask Dave Aldrigatti, if he, I'm presuming that's the deal, because about that maybe your recollection is right with that. Maybe we bought just for town identities. My brain was saying town only, but I... I'm sure you did buy for people. You did. I remember talking about it, because we talked about the location, and then we talked about the location, because we talked about the location that we talked about because the signage was all... And Dave had his pass signs. Some people were using wooden hand-drawn signs and high-level scraping. Yeah, because Dave had his pass signs, but I don't know. And then we had them, you know, not putting up the signs in the right locations. All right, so I will look and see what the map layout looks like for Knights of Columbus. And that's not just Knights of Columbus, but everybody gets and see what, if it gives better placement. If not, I can ask someone at Beatrams to give me a bed, like a very more specific... If you do find a map of what it should look like, would you mind sending that out? Just... So those of us that are actually here, if we're driving by and it's not the right thing, we can help advise them more accurately. That would be helpful. Or they might have a lot. Everything is just not the right location. Right, like if we want it lower before the curve going onto Church Street over the bridge, but they've got it up on the bridge. You know, like, I don't want to ding them if they're close, but not quite... Somebody had talked about that the sign has to be on this side of the bridge. Okay. I don't remember, honestly, I can't take it in my head. I just know we send them something, but we'll find out. Things like a reflective vest and... Yeah, there can't be miners. Can't be miners in the area. Cones and barrels, I mean, that's a whole new condition too. Yep. Which, again, you get, what happens is you get like... I don't want to pick on anybody, but I think it was the Humane Society the last one went through, and their cones were like this big. You know, when they're supposed to be like two-foot cones or whatever they were. They were the little, you know... I'll also email just to see if one of them's on duty during this to have them take a peek at it and let us know what it looks like. Yeah. But in the meantime, yeah, I will email you what we send out with the Knights of Columbus or everybody's not just there to pick up. Well, we've had two identities in the past, and Knights of Columbus is one of the two that we've had some issues with, so. So I'll send you what we include with their package. Will we tell them when we send out their four typical layouts? I'll email that to you guys. Thank you. And then, yeah, if it's not enough, I can ask each one. Teresa, can I pick up one of those packages for me, because the historical society too does coin drop. And when it was guys were talking about that, I noticed that our signs is not really sure to be awesome. Yeah, if you just come into the office, Kelly can print you off. The alls it is is the application and there's a math layout, but Kelly can give it to you. Okay, all right, great. So, motion to approve the Knights of Columbus coin drop move from July 3rd to July 17th? Okay, all in favor? Aye. We had John Hartland is retiring as the tree worker. I did reach out to Carl Russell to see if he, number of anyone who was interested, and he said he was interested and then I sent him a recent training at the LCT and said, oh, before I agree, you might wanna look at this. I just want to be here, which you're great to do. And he checked it all up, I'm watching this, that's not bad tree. So, he is interested. He had hoped to maybe have a letter of interest here, but by tonight, but it hasn't. So what I'll do is put it out on the website and Facebook, what I'm trying to put for maybe this is a front porch forum and the website and let people know we're looking for a new tree ward and then- That sounds like he's just moving, that's the only reason why. Oh yeah, nice guy too. So hopefully he was a Ferrari game. So, they're meeting. So I'll just advertise it on front porch forum and our website, but I expect that we'll see a letter of interest from Carl Russell and obviously- So that resignation, that resignation takes place July 31st. Yes, at least not in a while. So just need a motion to accept the resignation of John Heartland as tree warden, effective July 31st, 2021. Ooh, check. You know, in favor? All right. Again, when we do these ones, I just think, well, if we just deny it, who's that? You just, you have to stay, you can't even move out. I'm sorry, I mean, looking for the board, it just didn't work out for us. Yeah. We thought about it. We decided just to add another year. I feel like we'd see fewer and fewer people signing up for things to begin with. Never let your mind- Seem that person well. Coronavirus, local. So the CLF are F funds. Which we were calling, of course, that's what was called the American Rescue Plan. So we, I did these steps before, and you know, because obviously I can, and I told you guys that I had done it and that I had, I said I signed the paperwork and I also requested the money. Then some thinking, I think what's happening is there's changes and it's just slow to get to us. So then, and I gave you my submission summary so you can see where I did it. So basically now what the LCT is saying, now that they've renamed the money from the American Rescue Plan money to this, that basically to make motions to do what I've already done. So we need a motion so that you're able to sign. Yeah. Sign the terms of conditions as well as a motion to be a contact person and a treasurer for PAM and something. Yeah, and so I think they're very specific about their wording because along with this is you're also accepting the awards terms and conditions and assurances of compliance with civil rights requirements. And so, you know, there's a process. So they basically just want to know that you're, you know, you're agreeing too. Can we do them as separate, do them as one? So they lay them out specifically, the LCT's recommendation was three, specifically separate, just worded exactly like this. So when they give us, you know, something like that, I see it just doing. I'll move the first one. Second? Okay, all in favor? All right. Do we need to be reading the full thing out loud? That's all right. No, I don't care. And the second motion is to appoint town manager, Theresa Kirby to serve as the town's authorized representative as required by the CLFRF from the U.S. Treasury to sign the awards terms and conditions and assurances of compliance with the civil rights requirements by prior to July 12th, 2021. So moved, sir. Okay, all in favor? Aye. And then motion to name town manager, Theresa Kirby to be the contact person and Treasurer Pam Brown to be the secondary contact for the town's CLFRF award from the U.S. Treasury. Should this, should all three motions include the language of coronavirus, local fiscal recovery? It could, but I just didn't want to spell it out on team times. So when I add it in the minutes, I can say that I, I spelled it out in the first motion, but I can spell it out. If there are separate motions, they probably ought to. All right, I can spell it out when I do the minutes. So moved. Second. Okay, all in favor? Aye. In front of the bill, the Includes Paperwork Reduction Act. Yes. It takes you more than 30 minutes. Well, you should have saw what it took like before. Well, and I like that they tell us who to talk to. If it took us more than 30 minutes, if we won our burden reduced, I was like, thank you. I appreciate it. Didn't they say something like the original bill was like 1,500 pages? Oh yeah. Oh my God, yeah. And then the next one was 15, this should have a burden of 15 minutes. I was like, wow, I wish all my paperwork came with estimated timeframe. And you know as well, you know that there's no way anybody reads all those pages, like 1,500 pages and you know what they literally will say, here it is and we're voting on it tomorrow. I mean, who reads 1,500 pages of the night? That's how well it's important. That's what assistants are for. You know what I mean? I mean, it's like, how can you physically read that? Wait a second. That's why you have spam. Yeah, that's right. I wanted to take a look at the C, L, M, R, F. I know when I read it, I was like, wait a second. They couldn't give us something that's fun to say. No, it was too easy to say it. Cliff, right? It'd be longer. Yeah. I think it paid by the... Yeah, but it did. Bowel. So nobody's getting paid, I see. Yeah. Then we had the Mascoma Bank tax anticipation note. So there's no paperwork here. I just got something to put into place last year. Obviously it's always good to have a tan. Always good to have. Last year we were like, we didn't have to draw off it, so it was fine. I have not yet done my capital analysis to tell you how much it will be, but I just wanted to have that discussion with you, the paperwork. I'm not sure it'll be next meeting, five meeting after. But it's, you know, we need to have that for bills that just in case something comes up that we don't have capital funds for. We said last year that we had applied for a $300,000 one at 2.8%. Yeah, that was last year, yeah. And we didn't take any of it. That's what you're saying. I mean, has the loan interest and things like that? I don't know what it's going to be. She won't, they won't tell us until it's, until, you know, I file the cash, cash, you know, and send it to the back, but I don't. Is this an actual loan or a line of credit? It's just an anticipation note. It's pretty much a line of credit, yeah. Because then you would only be paying interest on what you actually draw, right? Right, we're just paying back. Yeah, so if you only take 15, then you pay 2.8 on 15, yeah. Yeah, so it's just a nice precaution to have. So if no one's particularly opposed and I'll go forward with that, and they probably won't be next. I don't think they'll be ready for a turnaround in two weeks, because, you know, I was not the lawyer of the US. The voters approved this, I don't think. That's the tax anticipation note. Right, is that one of the items? No, that's not one of them. For the school it is. Oh, for the school but not for the town. Yeah, I was just thinking about that. I was like, we approved it, but it was for the school and not for the town. Why does the school do it? Yeah, well, anyway, sorry, so I'll move forward. Well, it makes sense on the towns and the things, because the town has to pay the school vendor if we collect it all over the town. Is that right? So in some ways, it's probably should be with the town more than the school, right? Because there's a lot of times that we pay out before we... Well, maybe that's why we don't let all lawyers decide. We don't get a choice. Every year. The wheels are turning. Every year you pay. Right. That's why we're sitting on the town, but they've... Gotcha. Somehow, I don't know. There's no frustration there, though. No, no, no. Now, managers report. So it's still a page of budget and we've got time to review the long documents for the transfer station. So we'll have those at our next, say, your next meeting. And I already told Royalton that as well. So, it's all in hand. Can you recite a quick question from your manager's report? You said you just had another meeting with GW-Tatro. Do you know when they're anticipating paving? Because I know at one point in time, we were told August, but I'm just wondering, a lot of their time frames have shifted around. Is that still... I'm not sure yet. Okay, that was... I know, okay. Jeremy Zulu from... What is that now? Springfield or Sonfie? Which one is which? It's now Sonfie paving is coming here, I think the week of the 26th to look at the work, because I'm gonna ask him to pave just the entrance to Mascoma, you know, to the municipal parking lot, not Mascoma, but Black Mascoma over there. And I was gonna ask him for a price on Sand Hill, as much as we do not want to pave a portion of Sand Hill, but we don't have a choice, it's so bad, to see what we can get for a price on that. So I would say, you know, but so he's blocked out that week, so I don't know if it's... My guess is, so I'm gonna say at the end of July, beginning of August, I don't have a heart and fast date. When we had our meeting, Jay LaFontaine had tried to reach somebody, hadn't heard back from them, so. I think everybody's busy. Well, so maybe they'll do also do some repair work, for example, at the top of the depot, that maybe it's there, and there's a few buff sections going up through town. So there's a couple that we didn't accept. One is by Spalding Press, thank you. One is by Spalding Press, that one we didn't accept, so that's being redone. And the one in front of the bar. I think that's... That one's really... Yeah, I think there was two. And there's also gonna be some other work because there's a couple where, a couple of the, I don't wanna say manholes, but we're taking out, the covers were taken out by Gavir Sledin to be fixed and some things need to be adjusted to grade. But I believe we ended up accepting almost all the trench paving in the end, trench hatching that they done except for, I think it was two areas. And there was a couple where we talked about, like one was by the corners, by the grocery store, and we talked about it in the engineering like look trees. By the time you try to fix this, it's gonna almost be worse. So there was a couple areas. So they're gonna fix those two areas, plus they'll do North Main, that was final coat on Avon, final coat on Livery, and they'll pave Cushing and Clever. They've also replaced a culvert for us up there, and so, dropped off, they were gonna pave right there anyway, so we did have a place culvert. So my follow up question on paving goes back to the, then we had this conversation in the spring, really early summer, it was the crosswalks and having them painted. And I think at one point in time, you were gonna have that meeting with them about what was needing to be repaired and painted or repaved and then sort of decide about the crosswalks, and I was just curious if there's any more movement on, are we gonna paint the crosswalks? Yes, we are gonna paint the crosswalks. Alan was hoping to have painted them before, then it was 100 degrees, then it was rain last week, this week he's on vacation, so they're not gonna paint it this week. So the plan moving forward is this, he will get them painted twice a year, before Memorial Day and before Labor Day. So I believe also, Tatra will end up paving crosswalks, we are not having them re-stamped, that's not gonna happen. So they will be painted, I think if Alan does it, he's gonna do the white for now, because we know we're gonna be cutting up the street again, so if he comes back next week and paints, I told him not to do the red, just do the white outlines for now. And then he will redo the crosswalks, it's white outside, red inside, but not re-stamped to be cross-patched, that's just not gonna happen. That's fine on the re-stamping, I just know that I've had a number of complaints and questions about it, so I wanted to follow up with it. I've had several complaints, but yeah, the week he was scheduled, he was gonna do it two times, once it was really hot, and then the other then last week he was ready, and of course, too it's hard because you plan by the weather, and it says it's gonna rain all day, then it doesn't rain, and he's made his plan and he's not coming to set up to paint, you know what I'm saying? So that's been, it's not even partly closed. Well, it helps to know that it's on his to-do list, so that when people do ask him to say it's in the works. Yes, exactly, and that actually should have the same conversation then with, I also met with Robert Beko, and he is wanting some signage for the crosswalks, in which he was willing to pay for a couple of signs, but what he's looking for is solar powered, the crosswalk signs that have, first he wanted all the lights around it, but these ones I sent him a picture of have a light at the four points, and he, that are solar, so he really wants something that brings, you know, attention to the crosswalk, and he's offered to pay for, I think he offered to pay for a portion, like a couple of signs basically, and his concern is that the select board does not have, the pedestrian safety is not a big concern here. When in fact, obviously I said, you know, look, it's, we've had construction in the downtown for two years in a row. The bull belts are gonna go back in next year, they have to go back in for at least a couple of years. They have to, it's part of the grant. You can take credit all you want. Most of us don't want them there, but what he would like to see is more signage for downtown for crosswalks. I am not obviously not opposed to more signage for crosswalks. What I was concerned about was having it lit up. You know, people do live downtown, so, you know, there's communities that are opposed to big LED lighting in that constant, you know, light all night type of thing. This is actually something new at the BRB and some of the conditions, conditions that the describes with non-use of neon lights. It does, but we would, that doesn't affect us. It doesn't affect the winners' ballot. Well, not because we're just putting in, we're doing road signage. So, safety with Trump, we're not, we don't need some of the permits. You must have to run up by the state first. Not to sign our own downtown. No, no. Sure. Yeah, because we're not, we're not on the state highway. I mean, I would ask for their input on a plan for sure to see if I could get someone at the state level to, you know, come down, but we control the signage, you know, in the downtown. But that being said, I told Robert that I personally was not ordering signs with LED lights until I had shown the select board what they looked like. And I just received an email from over the weekend saying he liked, because I ordered the lights and speed signs from Tree Top and I had sent him a link to show him what they looked like to see if he was indeed interested in paying for some of that. And he has some really big ideas about what he wants to see downtown, like flashing caution lights when you enter a certain, you know, even on River Street, where I think that maybe buying a couple more lights, like we're going to sign, that we're going to buy that are solar powered that kind of show you how fast you're going when you come into town. Couple more of those next year, couple one, you know, for the bridge when you're coming in on, you know, coming in that course of town, you know, hit all the entrances of town. But anyway, so, you know, it's an ongoing discussion. He did offer to a amount of money, which is nice. So I'm going to print out a colored picture of the signs and show you what they look like and try to reach out to the trans about, or actually maybe two rivers. I'll talk to Rita about a plan, a signage plan for downtown. And I think it's a great idea. I think the thing to always kind of stirs my pot is when, you know, there's 11 empty chairs sitting out there right now. There's two bodies here. Not one time has Mr. Geico or anybody else come to this board and say, hey, what do you think about this? Right, because I know our board, more times than not, have done things in the past. And to say that the select board is not, doesn't care about the safety of pedestrians in the downtown is just incorrect. I think it's because he's always- Suggesting to come before the board and sit in one of those 11 empty seats, because I mean, that's just ridiculous, really. I think what happens is he goes to the town manager and then maybe that message is relayed to you. I don't matter. I'm just quoting what he's saying. Select board meetings are second and fourth Mondays of the month. Absolutely. Are always empty chairs. Are either to control traffic or to control pedestrians. To light up the pedestrians. To light up traffic and sense that they're, to bring attention to pedestrian crossings. Like you'll see them in some towns, there's a- So it's not a pedestrian go, walk, don't walk. No, it's like alerting the motorist that doesn't cross a lot there. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes you see them in like neon green signs. Issues with the walk, don't walk is that now we want to provide the beep, beep, beep. Yeah, but you don't right now because you can't, you don't know because, well, we have some empty conduit. If we, you know, I could ask Dave anywhere it is, but those are really pricey. Yeah, so no, he's really just wanting to bring attention to, which I can understand what you're saying. You know, when people are coming down church street, if we're already getting complaints that people are speeding, then, you know, we had, he had talked about even one right here and from in front of the town hall, which is really connecting the same side of the street. I'm thinking, you know, crosswalks for, but I'll ask Rita, she's great about that at Two Rivers about a plan, some, you know, what would be appropriate downtown signage for that. And, you know, obviously Rome wasn't built in the day, we can't, you know, probably buy it all in one year, but at least it gives us an idea of the cost we can put into the budget and Mr. Geico and Mr. and Mrs. are willing to pay for, you know, up to a certain amount, then we can certainly try to match that. And those are all great ideas. I mean, and the reason why we don't have a lot of that right now is because we've had to rebuild the infrastructure that we can't see. And it doesn't make sense for the signs up when you've got to take the road. But again, just kind of, my boiling point is just those ideas of people welcoming the company. Don't tell us we don't care about people when you've never brought the idea before. Exactly, and I didn't know what you heard. You know, I didn't know either, I've been tired from you to know what other town is. But once, you know, once we have the infrastructure all in place and let's say the state comes back through and paves it again, it's all perfect. And it's great, you know, all these things. But to add it and have to rip it back out again, you know. So yeah, and like I said, I don't know, if he's talked to someone, I don't know what a downtown manager is. Well, I don't know what a fire town manager has told you either. So we will, I will speak with him. And again, obviously, because he emailed me back so that he'd like to solve each other again. So the other thing was, as Jack Cowdery called, he'd hired, which we know, he'd hired a contractor to clean up his mother's memorial on Camp Rock Road. That was the money that was, that a year or two years ago, he had worked with Carol Petchum, or actually we'd asked Carol Petchum. He had petitioned probate court to get some of the principal from the Cowdery Trust in to pay for the work of it, the fluff to work up there. But what, the way that the probate, that the trust is listed is that only the interest can be spent. And it goes to the schools and the cemetery and his mom's memorial, there's a list a mile long. Well, it hasn't really made much interest. Well, and it's only the interest after $600. So it's like, it has to make more than $600. Exactly. So he is saying that he'd like the town to add a twice that you're cleaning up, leaving the memorial to someone's duties as currently he maintains that. And he's saying he can't maintain it forever because he has no family to take it over. And I reminded him as, you know, that the trust, this is, you know, we're way down the token pole and there's not, it's not necessarily true that we get money to maintain it because there's a list of, you know, organizations that have us the good money. So the concern is that you're gonna, that's within the town's right of way, yes, but it is his mother's memorial. I'm not sure where this falls, where it become, are we maintaining private property? Well, you know, what happens here? If we take over the maintenance of this and then what happens? That opens up can warms for all the other identities. Yeah, they'll jack to leave us another request just to take care of us. I mean, it's too bad. I mean, I understand why they have, why it's set the way it is, but I mean, if they would have appropriated like X dollars a year that the town used to make sure that the upkeep were done, didn't that make sense? But I mean, we looked at the long list there and it hasn't generated anything since what, 2000 to 2000 or something. Yeah, it's a long time. It had been a very long time since anything. And then even when that happened, it was just a small amount of money that it went to, I think, the cemetery. Yeah, some sort of means. Yeah, it was a long list. It's too bad that they couldn't just read, go through, I don't think he wants to go to court all the time, but maybe somehow get a small little stipend in the air. He could, but I mean, once the principal's gone, the principal's gone. So even if they say they're gonna give the town a lot of $100 a year, you know, yeah, you'd have to decide what business it's gonna maintain. I don't know if the cemetery might be just for the cemetery as a whole, I don't remember, or was it for his mom? It was for the maintenance of their families, though it's great stuff. So yeah, eventually, eventually 20,000, it's just not gonna cut it anymore if the interest isn't covering, you know, that. So I was, I just told him I would talk. I said, I'll talk to the select board, Jack. You know that the way this has worked out right now. I'm not saying it's a total hardship because people drive by, but still, it's still, and it's nice, it looks very nice, but it's still private property. But again, I mean, not to say that, you know, we would do it or not do it, but it'd be a little different if it was like right in the village area where one of our employees has to be, I'll make it up, we'd whack in town anyway, so they could just go over and do that, but this is way up on top of the mountain. Not like you're just like hitting the next section. So it's just a private cemetery? No, it's not a real one. It's just a memorial. Just a memorial, so it's not a burial. No, it's on the corner of Camp Val and Camp Brook, if you go up. It's, people used to get water there. It's a spring there. It's a spring source and there's a memorial there for his mom, and it's very nice for Rose Coutry. It's very nice. I mean, is there a way, and I get that this is a little bit trickier, but he's sort of making this plea to us, saying he has no family to take it over. Could he create a sort of secondary trust to the town to help with the maintenance? Like could we sort of counter propose, like we want to help you out, but you will also need to help us out and help us cover this cost. And the way the original trust is written, we really can't take it on in the way you're asking, and we get not wanting to go back to probate court again. He's already done that once, but is there a way we can come up with a way to do something that then is benefiting, or helping cover the cost, and benefiting what he wants out of this? I think we still have to get into the original trust money and do that. No, I'm saying making a whole separate, yeah, a whole secondary trust. Is there a way does the money come from that whole new one? When he dies. Yeah. That's what they're saying. Yeah, I don't know. He's absolutely right, but it doesn't hurt to ask. He could come back and say, I'm a pauper and, you know, but he's telling us he has no family to take this on. So if he has no family to take this on, then he has no family that's gonna inherit anything. So could he, I don't think it hurts to ask, could you create something that will help perpetuate this in your family's name? Like a perpetual care? Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask, because he can say no, just like we can say no. And in the meantime, he could hire someone when he can't. You know, he could hire someone to go and maintain it. I suppose, right? But what happens to the other trusts if you've got more than the fastest one? Nothing, because it's to the town of Bethel. So the trust has already been given to us, the request, the request, and it's already been given to us with the parameters of use. So if you've got the way to get that, you can have access to that. It just stays the way it's always been. It doesn't say it just stays the way it's always been. Yeah, it doesn't, we still get here, it's still over $600, any interest, or it's over $600 still exactly the same way. It already belongs to the town. Yeah, so they're basically saying create another one. So then are you also saying that if he's still alive, do you want him to just hire a contractor? We could give him somebody who made, he could hire a contractor to maintain it himself outside of this money. If he's alive, there's no request. He's saying he's unable to maintain it, he could hire someone. That's right. It's not a town property. It's not a town property. Well, it's not a town property. One could argue that there's some kind of one. So, somebody. It's a town, so at least they didn't turn it right away. So a teenager is killed in a car crash in front of the school and everybody goes and puts flowers and crosses and so on and so forth and built the makeshift memorial. Now all of a sudden the community wants to, you know, private individuals want to make that into a permanent memorial. Do we become responsible for every private memorial that somebody wants to erect? I hope not. I think we have cemeteries. We have, there are ways to do that. You're right. Yeah, no, you would eventually, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I mean, and we do maintain, we plow, we keep the road open so people have access to it. We ditched in there after FEMA, we docked in the flood, we ditched in there. And the memorial's been in it forever. Oh, yeah. Decades. Yes. Well, and it's why they started the trust in the first place. I think the issue that we're running into is the way the trust was written no longer does what it was intended to do. And so it's either a go back to court or come up with some alternate solution. I mean, decades ago it was great because the interest was at a point where, where the trust was gaining money and the interest we had spent to take care of that. But now, I mean, we looked at what, it was like the last quarter of 15 or 20 years it hasn't even accumulated any interest. It's not to say that Jack has to create a second trust. It's kind of getting him to see either you're going back to probate court and rewriting the way this trust is written or we have to come up with some alternative. That it can't just be assumed and I think like Jean's point, it can't be assumed that the town will just take on every potential private memorial that's created. Right. It's a slippery slope. Yeah, no, I agree. I'll let him know that. And I think the location of it makes it trickier because it's not like it's convenient for us to just do what we're doing other things. It would tap, you know, right? So special things as well. Thank you so much. You would still be setting a precedent. Yeah, oh, right. Yeah, absolutely. And even, and so, I wonder why I just put the, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't. Any idea what? Well, there's land. He owns land up there. Jack owns land. It's always a spray. Awesome. He accesses it via Hooper Hollow. So maybe the land that they own could be a connects from Hooper Hollow to Campbell right there, because he does own land up. So the other question was like, her god took a right call back. Joanne Marshall today, this evening, she before the meeting, she is recalled on behalf of the historical society. So for the next meeting, she wanted the select board to take a tour of the historical site, which is right downstairs. So I didn't know if you wanted to meet at 545. Next meeting, and then you could do a tour of the historical society, come upstairs and then have the historical society meet with you. Then they want to let you know what they're working on. They're going to do another book and there's a lot of stuff that they want to do. They currently have a peace agreement, quote, with the town where they paid $200 a month to the town for use of the room downstairs, which they would like the select board to stop charging them. And just kind of like, you know, they are nonprofit and let you know what they're doing and where their money's going and how they're going to be working on this new book and all that sort of stuff. So I didn't know how you want to do that. Do you want to meet at 545, do the tour, and then come back up here? I thought it might be easier or do you want to just start a six, do the tour, and then, I'm just not really sure. I told her I thought maybe in minutes or a little later. I'm fine to meet at 545 if others are on board. Okay, because she was not, she wasn't sure how many people had got, you know, how many of you have been able to go through that historical site. Even though Doug was the bouncer, he let me in on the last time we were on board. So you've been with that Chris 545 and they'll meet at six. And then, so then they can talk to you about all the great things that they're doing. So we joined, I just had a great time. So you can see the new, the state education was funny that it came in earlier than I've seen it. So the state education effort came in, so I gave you a copy now of what the full tax rate looks like, so that's in your packet as well. The rest of this is pretty good, just. Oh, yes, the planning commission's public hearing on the zoning bylaw amendment is scheduled for Wednesday, July 21st here at seven. So if you have any issues or concerns with the draft, bring it up now. If you can't make it on the 21st, then send me an email telling me what, you know, what your concern is or where you think there may be an issue. And I will make sure that it comes up, that I will bring it to the PC of that night myself because you want to make your own public hearing, but it's very selfish. That's going to be here. That's going to be here at seven, but you want to address it now while the PC's doing it, it's just going to make your lives easier. So like I said. I mean, unless it's a non-major change. Right, exactly. But you know what, it's just going to be nice for you if the document has already been edited, you get it. All eyes dotted to is crossed, it makes your life easier. Which by in turn makes my life easier. Yeah, because I want to be much fun. Planning to mention, I have to do all the taping. Because that's the way it still is with that to select board level, as long as it's not a major change. Yeah, exactly. It can be done at the select board level, which is a major, it has to go back, right? Yes, absolutely. So anyway, it's just easier. Plus two, frankly, it's courtesy. There's the PC's, put all this time in. So if you have a concern, it's nice for you to go to them and say, hey, look, here's my issue. But like I said, if you can't make it that night and you have a question, just email me. I will make sure you've brought up. Oh, I did talk to the state today because we are still owed money for the Northwest Quadrant for FEMA and for Peabime. So I emailed with them today and they're supposed to meet tomorrow with their financial team. I said, look, this is like, you know, half milk, you want the money back. So hopefully they will finally... I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know. I think that we've seen... Because that was the Gilead piece? Yeah. This is the 2019 flood? Uh-huh. And Peabime, you know, finished up last year, so that's fine, but they've signed off on that. We did end up getting 66,000 and some change more from Peabime once we, because we had replaced a culvert that was in the engineering drawings, but it wasn't our original FEMA complaint, but they ended up, we met with them and went through mitigation. We did end up getting more money, which was great. So we were very happy with that, but I don't know what the whole... That's what I've been saying is what's the hold up with the North? I don't know why. Right, because that's been done a lot. I think it's just been in the state. I don't know. I don't want to throw anything under the bus because I don't know. Tell them before they send us additional money and then they'll have to send us the additional money. Well, that was, yeah, I think was... What I was told today was... Because that was the larger of the four countries. Anyone who was already working on FEMA, the same people that work on your FEMA claim at the state, there was like 500 new FEMA claims made because of COVID. They all went to the same people. So that was what I heard today. So now you know what? Okay, that was good. So the pool's open, can you come right? There's still openings for swimming lessons. So if somebody wants your child needs swimming lessons, please stop by the pool. Well... I saw on the BCAX the state has got a $6 million chunk of money that they want to give out to recreational centers and trails. Yeah. Stuff like that. Yeah. Right. The committee was aware of that. Yeah, I've sent some information out to the jury and poured it on and they were... I think they're still kind of figuring out how they're going to allocate the money, what the grant process is going to be, but yeah. Yeah, it has to be pretty solid. Does that line up with any of the... I don't know. We have... I've sent the information on, but last time I knew, the state did... Yes, they have a chunk of change, however, but they have not put out a grant. Well, the... The news outlets on CAX just said it was going to be targeted towards trails and outdoor recreational facilities. Yeah. That is just what they're doing. Which is true, but they haven't found a vehicle yet for how they're going to put it out because there was a blurb and it was two rivers or VLCT or something, but I remember Sharon with Beatrix saying, hey, you know, there might be more money there coming, but they had figured out how they were going to deliver it. Well, it sounds like if we can get a project that's, you know, can hit the ground already, try to be first come first serve type money, right? Well, I don't know, right? I don't know because they don't know. They haven't figured out how the state has figured out how they're going to put the money out yet because sure, they have the second phase of the skate park, which is great. We all know they have trails in the pool, I've thrown $100,000 at the pool in our capital, you know, fund building, but I don't think that's close because what's going to happen is we're going to need to go in and dig out all of the existing port sidewalk. We need to redo all the piping in there and we need to have the lining, which is now fiberglass torn out and there's something else that they recommend because the gentleman who repairs that, the fiberglass is, you know, when I'm done, I'm done and you're, you know, there's nobody else out there. So what they're saying is you better off taking the existing pool, take out the liner and spray this, I can't remember the material, but Deetre's going to look out at this winter and try to come up with like a better price. So the piping underground needs to be repaired because the pool is leaking or looted adding about an inch of water every 16 hours right now. And Bob Walker, when he looked at it last week, thinks it's in the skim baskets and if it's the skim baskets, then it means we need to dig because of where they are in the ground as soon as we dig there, forget it, because the only part that they redig when they built the pavilion was the piece under the blue part, here's the pavilion, here's this blue and here's the pool. That's all they did right there. So they didn't sound like downstairs door. So they did, so anyways, we're going to fix one thing. It's going to be a bigger project. So I mentioned Deetre look, you know what, maybe we're going to end up just, maybe it's going to be next year too, since it's an extra inch or more water and more chlorine, but yeah, we'll see a fix, you know, that fast, but we'll see you. So kind of just don't want to look out for money. But that was the last I knew Paul was, they did not know how, yes, there's money, but they didn't know what the process was going to be to get it out here yet. So we'll see, but we'll keep our eyes open. Was that the first Amtrak to go back through? Oh, I don't know. I think that was the first one I knew it was coming sometime in July. Oh, it could be, I don't know. I thought it was supposed to be doing a party or some kind of a rent off at the train station. Was that tonight? I don't know, I don't know more than a night now. Well, I know it's the same maybe, so it could be. I can't remember, they were sending it out, it could be. I think they were trying to do a kind of a celebration. Yeah, they were going to celebrate that and they were going to get two dollar rides down to Brattleboro and doxelback. Oh, really? He's looking at rides right now but we're not letting him come back. Yeah, I don't know if you are. So now we're getting people out of here? It sounds about right. Yeah, it's perfect, son. Yeah. When you're subsidized by the government. When you're a train ride, right? I thought, hey, I'll do that with my grandson. He can say he's ridden a train. Well, he's on a ride and you're going to pay for it, right? $2, why not? So you won't have to pop a freight train anymore? Yeah. So yeah, I don't know, Linda. Honestly, because my office is on the train track and I have the window open, it's funny. Sometimes it scares the life out of you because you just don't, all of a sudden, it's like, you're like, ah, fuck. Well, an M-track is so, you don't hear it. Yeah, the M-track is so fast, that's why I was like, oh, that was a fast one, that wasn't a freight train. Yeah, so. Can you tell I've lived along the train tracks for the last eight years? Yeah, I've lived along the train tracks for the last eight years. No, that's not it. You could say, oh yeah. The freight train is at night. Well, M-track is 25 minutes late if they are. Close to go by at 6.50. All right, and select board meeting minutes from the 28th of June. Do we have any issues with those? Are we good to approve as written? The approval is written. Second. You all in favor? Aye. Oh, you know what, the historical site has a meeting tonight. That's why I was just thinking, I believe that. That explains why I saw Joanne with you, but. Yeah, she's, yeah. It's like, did he leave her in the car? No, she didn't. She didn't come here, so. I'm not going in there. No, I'm not going in there, so I said there's the water. Yeah, there was. I don't know if we could get with it for clean. Yep. Three, on the pool. Does the pool actually drain? No, because we pumped the water out. But that's what I thought we were still doing. That's what we were doing in the pathway. Someone told me that there was a drain in that pool that it did down to the ball field. There's something. Oh, that, there you go. There is a culvert. There's a culvert. Yeah, there is. The water does go out, you're right. Not me, there's a drain that's pumped in the pools over the pool and draining it. It doesn't work. We wish, I don't think it's as efficient as that, is it? I know that he pumps out water because there's so much sludge and stuff, so he pumps it out. So I, and there is something at the bottom, you're right, because when they took it out, there's a plate that goes back on top to help stop leaks. But it must work because I was down at the ball field. My daughter was still playing, so it was probably like teeter and right on the border of like the 1st of June. Yeah. And I called Theresa. I mean, there was water flowing out of that culvert. I mean, it was running in that culvert, which is usually dry, faster than you could ever pump any water. I mean, to the point the ball field, the whole parking lot area was under water. So I called, saying, is there a water break somewhere? But there's water everywhere. They said, oh, they're draining the pool. And I was like, oh, OK. And the culvert split because you said there's water coming out. The water was coming underneath the culvert, too. The culvert split. Which that culvert goes right underneath. I just remembered that somewhere down line, I think, was Robert Harvey. Couldn't maybe even Gary at that time. Because we always had to have a pump it. And then I thought Rob had told me that there was a drain that they'd pump this. I mean, I was wondering. There had to have been because the water was coming out there a lot faster than you could ever pump water. Because he had, but I know there's some. I actually have to ask, but I can tell you this, Doug. I know that at the end, we pay and have Vermont Pipeline come in and get the bottom of it. Because there's so much leave and debris and sludge and all that, and that gets pumped out. Morgan used to wheelbarrow that out. Wheelbarrow at a time to get that out. So I was always under the impression that we were pumping it to a culvert. And that, yes, the culvert was obviously eaten out under the road. But I didn't, I, because if we had a drain, why wouldn't all, why would we be paying Pipeline to get out the bottom? I think sometimes it was with the drain itself from the pool that was leaking. I think they pumped it. And when you pump it out of the culvert right in front of the house, just as you are, just the drain is right there. That's where the water's coming from when they pump it. Yeah. And the only thing is if they did, well, they couldn't have pumped it, they did pump it, they didn't put the hose in the culvert because a lot of the water was flowing under the culvert. It's because the culvert split. We had Pipeline cut out a camera. Oh, gotcha. We need to line that culvert. We actually got a price from them to line it because of them digging that hole. Yeah, culverts like that, oh. But it split. No, it didn't. Really? We replaced the culvert from Washburn's house, from the road, to Washburn's house. But he said, I can't remember what the complaint was that the culvert did. He had a truck in front of his plane. He'd done that hole in that area here. But I don't remember going under the road or anything like that. Yeah, no, it looked pretty old because they went in and they camered it. We're going to be, we're going to line it. That makes sense then why the water was coming on the bottom. It's going to be more efficient. But it was, it was coming right out there faster than any pump that we have ever pumped. But I don't, I think that Doug's right. I don't think the drain works. Otherwise, we wouldn't help by lining it. I can't imagine the drain not working because that would have to be part of the filtration system. I was just thinking next time we did the draining. The skim basket's part of the filtration system. What he's talking about is the very base. That water doesn't get recycled there. The skim basket's along the side. Do it, but it doesn't. Only the top. But only the top. We only, we only clean the top of it. No, I mean the water. No, I'm serious. I'm serious. There's no, there's no mechanism that I understand. Look, I'm not a plumber. I don't know the whole ins and outs of this. I've been picked it up between Beatree and Richard a little bit this year. But the water, the water does circulate through the, through the basket, through the skim baskets. But I know that one of the lifeguards had to go in and drop a cover on that down on the thing in the bottom because once it got cleaned out, it didn't get put back in. So we did have a little bit of a leak there. So, and I know she back washes it every month a week. So it's obviously coordinated and tested. But I do know, so I, so I don't know. I can't tell you the mechanics of it. I just know it's pretty, it's old and it's old because it's not, when they built the pavilion after Irene they did not update, they updated the system in the building and the pump, but they didn't update the pool. So you're looking at new, newer technology in the building but 9 to 40, 50 year old pool line. So I can't tell you the way it works for sure. Well, they'll definitely have to make that a priority. Well, now it's a bigger issue now. So anyway, so hopefully some of that money doesn't, we can find some money because it's going to be an expense of this to tear the whole thing up. Plus it's a bigger package to tear it up. You want to put concrete all the way to the fence, you know, not have a grasp of it. All right, anything else to come before the board before we enter into executive session this evening? Just had a couple of quick questions on the figure's chart. The film editor, June, or? The, yes. Okay. So the materials, chloride we, was that because of a price increase of like $10,000? We actually had the switch, so we went to a liquid chloride. So from what we were using before we went to a different type of chloride. So it was more money. And it's also a different system to deliver it to the road. So, but I guess Alan said, you can have a choice. The product is better. So, which is nice, a little bit less, a little bit one way, but yes. And obviously the underspent's solved. So he knew he was going over his historic budget. And then the other thing is, tax sale expenses are good with operations. Yeah, that's, and these are the numbers. The auditors were in the office all day today. So that's already changed, but I can tell you what it is, because the tax sale expense includes writing a cheque to Keith Hodgson. Oh, okay. So you can see under Ms. Lani's revenue of $55,000, we took him for Turkey Run to sell Sugar Hill. So this includes the expense of him. So what, what Rick, for the one he had to do today, solvent powers, he said, just met it against the income. So this will, this number will drop over the tax sale expense. I think it goes down. The number was the final number, but that's that. And you had some questions, right? Yeah, a couple of them. Was that? Yeah. Well, a couple of questions and a couple of just. Okay. So definitely it looks like under, well, under the revenue anyways, there's, we didn't collect nearly as much penalties and interest as we thought. So we'll just probably have to keep that in mind when we do our next budget in the season. Yeah, I figured that's a good thing because. No, it is. And we had talked about like, maybe about three years ago, because we were budgeting for like, you know, at one point, I think like $75,000 a year with penalties and interest. And we knew that as people start paying their bill, that that's going to come down. Well, also. And we've been trying to lower that. So. Right. And it is, and it did, which is great because we had to. It looks like we're off by like 12,000 or so. Our reduction in, you know, on the books last year for our outstanding, our time to tap support at the end of last year compared to our time to tap support at the end of this year is down like $77,000 less. So that's good news. No, we'll just have to. Part of this could be too impressive sheet as I'd have to look and see when, because we don't charge in penalty only once a year. And so we charge penalty in May. So I'll be wondering if after 60 days if this number doesn't go up. Right. Well, that could be the other thing is being that this was all he was after that. And then under the fire department, there was a bunch of items that either didn't get spent or underspent. So I didn't know if any more of that's coming in or there was safety supplies that it was 15,000 that they only spent. But there's more coming in because facility maintenance, they didn't do any training. Well, we also don't pay COVID so they couldn't be, but so salaries are lower because there wasn't as many calls. But yes, you have a 60 days. So any accounts payable, you know, we have, you know, 60 days for bills that weren't yet paid out of this budget to come in. And I know you spent almost $40,000. Dave always waits until May. Well, that was my question. Because he's always afraid that one of his, and it's one of those, you know, if there's big like apparatus fix, he's always said, I'm gonna wait because if I spend this money in January and then I have a big apparatus break I'm posed. So he always waits. So yes, there's more money coming. And there's really more money for everybody coming for expenses because this was, you know, July, her beginning of July, so. Yeah, I think that was the, didn't I have the tax sale stuff too, but. Yep, and you have the tax sale. And then once we do a balance sheet, I'll give you a trial balance. So I'm the, because the account, the tax amount changes. And there's still some stuff like obviously end of the century. So I haven't made, you're gonna see an increase in labor this year because although we already have 26 weeks of payroll right here, what happens is at the end of the year you would crew any payroll and the way this payroll runs, the majority of it is in this fiscal year. So this year it's gonna look like we've had 27 payrolls and next year it will look like maybe 25 payrolls just because of the way the year ends. I think last year I crewed three days. This year I'll be crewing like 13 days which is the way that the calendar runs. So you'll see some more labor expense. Yeah, so another 60 days and you'll have even more labor. I'll make it a full revenue. Maybe, maybe yeah because we'll see what taxes happen. Maybe that 60 days to see what we're gonna put in for a number. Anything else? Do we have anything else? Crew cakes, I would maintain a motion to enter an executive session to discuss the annual evaluation of the town manager. Good evening. Thank you, Mr. President. So moved. Okay. Second. Paul in favor? Aye. Okay. Did you say Paul in favor? Okay.