 And the Knicks from the West Coast embraced me first. That's hard. Yeah, Kenyatta, Kimball, Dezo. Oh, wow, not Kimball and Dezo. Yeah, they from the jungle, I'm a stone. So the stone's in the jungle. That's crazy. Yeah, so they embraced me. Carmen was beefing at the time, bro was beefing with Q. And they told me, hey man, let your boy Carmen know some real ones out here in LA. Yeah, we on Boss Talk TV. Shout out to Ihi, the reason you see. You gotta be patient. And with our faith, you can't have patience. With our patience, you can't have faith. So you gotta have both. So at the end of the day, I'm able to work with everybody when it comes down to thinking that way. Talk boss. You know what I'm saying? So that's the only way to deal with people that you love and not detach yourself from. And I've proven my love to everybody. They've not proven they love to me. I get it. You know what I'm saying? And it's that time. Now it's the harvest. Now it's the harvest time. Let me harvest what you planted. Y'all been harvesting what I planted. Yeah. Y'all ain't never went without. Y'all got bombed out of jail. Y'all got y'all kids fed. Y'all got y'all rent paid. Now I gotta move to a new season because I can't have God being like, uh-uh. I told you to leave that alone. You already done enough. You done that. Let them do for you. If they don't do it, they just don't do it. I'm not mad. No. But at the end of the day, you know, even on Spider-Man, they say, to who much is given, much is required. And I did all. Great power comes great. There you go. So you already know what will come with leadership. No question. So at the end of the day, you are that one. And there ain't no way to get off around that. No way. Go ahead. Okay. I got a question. Yes, ma'am. Earlier, you said you went to prison. How old were you the first time whenever you got in trouble? I never went to prison. I've been in jail. And I went to Illinois youth. How old were you the first time? First time I got arrested. I think I was 13. And I heard you mention that you've been in jail 28 times? No, I've had 82 arrests. 82 arrests. So how many of that end up being in jail? Only like four or five times. Oh, so you're lucky. Yeah. Lawyers, man. Blessed. Now, lawyers, you know. That's it. Now, lawyers, the thing I listened to earlier and you said about conscience rap, you know, I wasn't really in with that. I'm not a conscious rapper. I'm not a conscious MC. I think a lot of people hide behind consciousness to make wack music. That music people don't want to be fucking really hear and they hide behind it. I'm with music that matters. Music that makes a statement. I'm with that. I like music that uplifts people, that makes people feel something. But I'm not like, oh, if you're a conscious MC, I'm just gonna follow you because you're a conscious MC because you're not a conscious person. If you're not living that way. But when you think about you guys, you got Chance to rap on. You got Cumming up there in Chicago. Like these guys are guys that basically, that's a lot of the, where that terminology comes from. It does because, you know, what you guys saying, these niggas is having real conversations out here, though. Yeah. These niggas having real conversations. They really saying words. They're not, you know, I mean, think about coming with, you know, talking about fighting motherfuckers and wack MCs. I remember when Common and Drake was into it. When they were going in. Yeah. When Common and Drake was into it, when Common was into Ice Cube. Hold on, let me acknowledge this guy that just came on set. You got headphones right here, man. Yada, yada. This here is Kenyatta Sands, man. This guy right here, it's one of the reasons you on the platform today. It's my brother. I like to always keep it 100 on Boss Talk, 101 what a Boss is talking. And this guy right here has been very, very, you know, dear to me too, you know, family, man. So I gotta point that out. But, and then also his love for music. Being one that love the music, being one that he loves to play the instruments and he just got a love for music and being with a brother like you, I couldn't help but put him on the panel, man. Thank you for coming on Boss Talk 101, man. Man, you're welcome, bro. Yeah, man. I love this show. Thank you, man. Boss Talk 101. If y'all don't know, y'all better know. Man, Yada was one of the first people that embraced me in this whole entire industry. That's all that I explained. So I didn't know about the clothing game. I did come into clothing early, but I came into it from the Frates. Okay. So we was hitting Frates and selling the clothes to some of the Korean clothiers and retailers that couldn't get the accounts. They couldn't get cross color. They couldn't get Carl Karnath because the sales rep had their relationships with a lot of the Jewish shop keeps. So we would hit the Frates. And if we could get the real shit, we'd give it to them. If we get the bootleg, we'd give it to them, whichever one they would buy from us. And I built the relationship with a lot of the Muslim and Korean retailers in Chicago. Wow. So much so, they embraced me and told me about different clothing shows, which I had no idea existed. I had no idea they existed. No idea that clothing and the shows existed, whatever that meant, right? And then I met Shabazz brothers. And they told me about magic. Yeah. And this guy was working with Alvin Rogers, peace means peace. So we came out to magic in 1996 and there was a whole nother world. They started to say that the magic show in Vegas, I thought they was talking about, you know, David Copperfield, some shit. Yeah, that's what they were about to say. Yeah, that's what I thought too, early on. I'm like, what? The magic show? I ain't going no motherfucking magic show. I'm gonna go out there and sell some cocaine and some shit to some motherfucking people. You feel me? I'm saying to you. That's real. Some of the people that, because you're back in the days, the guy that was moving the most cocaine was working at the hotels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They worked there. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right, right, right. So you sell them a half a key or something like that and they look group or a key and they distribute throughout the hotels and then you stay out here for a couple of days. You might move four keys in five, six days. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was beautiful. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sweet system, but niggas got lazy and shit. So anyway, I was having. What a game change too. Yeah, no. Game always evolving too. Game evolved because they catch somebody and the motherfucking spill the beans. Either they find a new way to mess with the drugs and basically they water it down. They run the game, mess the game up. So it's a whole bunch, man. They not business me. That's right. So when I came into the closing shit, I noticed hustlers that was also businessmen that kept the integrity of this game. That's right. So Kenyatta was one of the first people and the niggas from the West Coast embraced me first. That's hard. Yeah, Kenyatta, Kimball. Okay. Oh, wow. Not Kimball in days though. Yeah. They from the jungle. I'm a stone. So the stones is in the jungle. That's crazy. Yeah. So they embraced me. Carmen was beefing at the time. Bro was beefing with Q. And they told me, hey man, let your boy Carmen know some real ones out here in LA. Fuck with them. Cause we was under the impression that everybody in LA was against us. You think like that? Yeah. I knew, I knew DJ quick, shout out blood. You know, I knew DJ quick, AMG, second and C. No, I knew them, but I didn't really know nobody else. I knew Park, but I really, but Park was like moving around, going to jail, all that kind of shit. You know what I'm saying? So he was not outside of our purview at that point. And I'm like, you know, I'm with the henchman from New York. So it's all a kind of these dynamics going on. But niggas overlooked that and seeing that I had some, you know, I was righteous first of all, upright, stand up guy. And these niggas embraced me and kind of let me into they click. Man, let me say this, man. They a little group that, it's hard to get into them with these men like that. That's in the game, they make, they living out this game, but they don't want anybody coming here fucking it up. No, no, no, and rightfully so. I was just told you by, we just, you got to be careful on how you deal in death. You got to deal with things delicately when you, when it's got a purpose and it's something culture driven. You know what I'm saying? So just think about this, man, you just say Park, you know, he was going to jail. I just had somebody else on here say Park, he was really quiet and he didn't even deal. You have so many elements of Park, bro. You haven't interviewed so many people. Gemini, bro. There's so many different ways about Park and each one of them was totally different. Right. That's crazy, right? Yeah, yeah. Like he was laid back, he never did this. Yeah, when the lights go on, there's a whole different dude, but when the lights go off, he be in the corner somewhere. That's hard, man, I just, I had to say that, but anyway.