 How was it then if it was a 16 year old boy? Yeah, how was that they've been caught in court and stuff and The memories and the pain then madman Going in and you learn so much about the justice system. It's bullshit, bro He don't look after people that have been through stuff Soon as I say that they know what I'm talking about because I was with other people and learned about other cases And they were suffering in the same as many little things It's almost like they look out more and care for the perpetrator and what is happening to him and how he feels Then then the people that have been impacted by his vicious heartless actions And you know, they cared about where he's sitting, you know, don't put him to sit there Let's put him over there because it must be really terrible for him to experience this to put him in the docks So let's put him Bullshit, bro. You stepped up and done something heinous now. I know your background is messed up But let's still deal with Consequences to what you've done we can focus on helping you once you start facing the consequences of what you've done Now we can bring healing to the process, but you've got to step up to it, bro Do you know I'm saying if if I go and well outside my marriage I want to be banging girls and someone gets pregnant that I've got to deal with all the Consequences and now I've got to be having my misses on me and now I've got to be dealing with another child from another It's all a mess, but we've got to deal with it You go accept what you've done who you are embrace it. How could you change it? What can you learn from it? How can you grow from it? And unless people face their Consequences first they are not gonna be able to go on to the next stage of growth, bro Yeah, have you ever reached out to that kid? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is there any replies or anything? Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I've reached out I reached out through catch 22 the charity. They had their restorative justice arm visiting me visiting him He agreed they gave him excerpts from the pet the book let him read He was shocked that I wanted to to see him And and sit down in the same room with him and talk to him and but he agreed He's messed up himself this you is like he's stuck in time stuck in a time warp of What's happened to him with Klein and he also seemed like he hasn't like he's got some sort of behavioral or psychological issues with the way he Interacts with you. It's like he like he don't quite get it You know, that's why I needed to be able to see him like you can't stick a knife in my boy's chest Take him away from the family and I don't get to sit and have a conversation if another kid punch my you in his face And and they had a rock and they hurt him and put him in hospital You know come to the hospital and see what you've done See, you know be sorry if that's how you feel so you're gonna have to meet the family You're gonna have to you know step up to what you've done and I'm saying to him He hasn't had the opportunity to do that. I want to see you. I want to see you, bro Explain to me what was going on in your heart and in your mind Explain to me the lead up to that why you felt it right to be able to do that. Yeah, and what's going on since then? What's happening with you? What will process you going through? What's going through here? What's going on in here, bro? You know, I want to have that conversation with him And I have the right to be able to want to do that and the system should be able to make that Available to me to be able to talk to the perpetrator who impacted my family so badly. How was that moment then? I didn't get it. No, there's the system put a stop to it that kid. Oh, he was up for it That would have helped you not get closure but understanding why I just want to I just want to understand a little bit more from his point of view Yeah, it's not gonna not gonna give me any closure Them sentencing him to life and telling me he has to do 13 years before he's eligible for for parole Didn't give me closure. It was just like, okay. The guy got 13 years. Was I happy about the 30 years? Of course not my son's 15. He didn't even get one year each for my son's life. That's a violation, bro Yeah, sort of boys out soon Yeah, well, he's supposed to be but they've been contact to me talking to me about it Also me to writing statements for the parole board whatnot Um, but I'm still saying bro. I need to see this guy They pulled the plug the system pulled the plug on it in the last week I went back and forth for a year. Do you think that was easy for me to these people? Listen to them going through emotions and all of that. Would you be able to control your emotions sitting across with them? Listen, bro. I've been able to control my emotions through up to date I've been 15 years in it'll be a different ballgame meeting him But let's see how the ballgame works and if I can't control my emotions There'll be people in there to control me. So what let's do it, man