 It's just chigsaw, it's the chigsaw like hey, so he's trying to talk to the chig, so chig was like, excuse me dudes, like get back, don't touch me. I was like, oh shit, shug, so hey man, I'm on the list man, watch out, you watch out, that's all she rolled. Chug, chug, chucked him out, peaked his big butt off, I got chugged, whooped his ass, oh shit, and kept stomping him. Like down the grind, we had to, me and DLC ain't that big, we can't, you know what I'm saying? What club was that? The Palace. That was the palace. The palace on Vine near Hollywood. And he stomped out. He stomped him out. He stomped him out, oh. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk. What did you think when Tupac actually came and when he came to death row? And that whole movement of him getting out of prison? Cause I was like, did Jimmy Irving get him out? I know I'm hearing, I heard that, you know, before they collectively got him out. But to see him come to the West Coast and them drop California love and come how hard like they did with two different videos. I think it was two different videos. Yeah, you did the remix. Layla, did the remix. Yeah, what did you think about that? I thought, I worked with Tupac before all that. Oh, you did the underground. I played, no, he was. Me against the world. Run that time, right after that album. Okay. He had Thug Life. Yeah, sure did. That's how I played. So he'd be at Echo Sound, I end up playing bass for a couple of songs. But he would, he would, that dude is, he's ridiculously talented. He's probably the most talented rapper period ever. Cause he'll, he'll, he'll be like, all right, what's the song about? All right, and go in there and lay that shit. And then double it, do exactly that. How he just did it, cause he just wrote it. Them songs you hear, he probably did them like five minutes. I was like, God, this fool, he's a fool. And he just be like, I'm done. I'm gone, see y'all niggas later. He appented that fast and be out. He did a verse for E40. I was in the studio and I was playing Miss Pac Man. So I was on the first level, you know what I'm saying? He walked past me and I'm like, oh shit. I said, let me finish this game. I'm thinking he gonna be there for a minute. I'll catch up with the niggas later. I probably got to the blue level. Yeah. He was walking out. And I thought he was just going to the car and he forgot something. He couldn't have been done that fast. And everybody's in there going, God damn, oh shit, you that shit, oh God damn. I was like, what the fuck, I ran in there. They was like, damn, and they played that shit. I was like, damn, ain't they a ladies shit already? You see, he wrote that shit right in my face before he was tripping. He wrote that shit and got on. He gone. I see he left. I was like, damn, he had it been five, 10 minutes. Wow. So you dealt with it. He's stupid, man. Man. I think the one other part that it was his demise should, I was fucking with sugar in the 90s. I mean, the fucking should big West. A lot of it's a lot of gangsters who was going around. Now they got money to they feel like they got power and they got all this influence right down to do whatever to be with him. That they just monsters. So he would have, he was the biggest monster. He would shoot. He was the biggest monster with all this money, death row, and he got all the hitters from fresh out of jail. His homies and shit. He was just like, they just do anything talk crazy and everything. So they pump Tupac up because Tupac quiet. Tupac ain't just quiet. You ain't the dudes you saw like when he came out of jail. He quiet. If you if he was here, he'd be in the corner somewhere. He's he's chill. I've always seen him in clubs. After I play bass, we kind of knew each other. You know what I'm saying? And now he did. What's his movie? Grilla. No, he was Bishop. Oh, yeah. I got CRS, you know what I'm saying? Bishop, you know, the one. He was the killer. He was the killer. He was Bishop on there. The first movie he did. The one that, what's that one that Omar Epps was in there but what's the name? He say he juice. Juice. Juice. Juice. So juice just came out. He didn't even know sugar. I know sugar. I knew Tupac. I mean, this was not talking to each other. They didn't know each other. And at that time, but shit was a super monster. You know what I'm saying? But Tupac was quiet off in the cut. Nobody knew who Tupac was like that. And so he just in the cut. He had a little bright orange everything but he just laid off. So he was cool. So they around each other during that time? They didn't even. In the same area. Okay. It was like one of those Jack the Rappers or some kind of music convention. I knew who everybody was, but he didn't know sugar. You know what I'm saying? But he was quiet. My point is when he did get to know sugar and he did get out of jail, now he's out here turning up and then we fucking these motherfuckers up and we just that the other. You know what I'm saying? That's how he got involved with a boy who snatched. Orlando. Yeah, Orlando. They whooped his ass cause he snatched somebody's chain or something like that. Tupac was like, ah, we're gonna, you know what I'm saying? We're gonna beat him up. That went Tupac like that. You know what I'm saying? Not that far as I know. I don't say like I don't know him like that. Well, it's hard for me to say that because he did shoot 200 cup of coffee before this. Yeah, he ain't no punk, but he wouldn't go around. He wasn't just looking for the problem. He was looking for the problem. Right, that part. He was no punk. He had no punk in him, but he wouldn't, the type I don't think. And I think in that environment, cause even Snoop, Snoop, who's laid back, was like, yeah, nigga fuck Uncle Luke. And yeah, nigga easy. But he talked to Snoop down. He like, nigga, I love them niggas. Puffy, I love them niggas. But he has grown with death rowing in and you got to kind of follow with sugar zone. And that's the LA shit. You know, if I don't fuck with somebody, you don't fuck with. So when she was doing, cause she was, was she like he rolled with the power rules and bumped the money. Yeah. So what's the difference between the power rules and just the regular bloods? Is it just the areas? Just the areas. The whole gang shit is just location. That's all it is. So when you think about the, the, the shoe that was that run, cause they, he plays sports early on. He was playing for Las Vegas. So that shoe was more of a conservative just playing ball. He wasn't banging then. He, I don't, I met sugar at the beginning. He was doing security for my homeboy Wes, who was like my first manager. And so Wes was doing this super fast. He was headed security. So you would hire sugar. Yeah. So it should mean sugar had to roll together to get into the super fast together. So I was with sugar all the time. He a big motherfucker. What was your conversation like? She was like, she, to me, to me, he's bipolar. Cause he can be super nice. He like, oh, y'all, y'all family, come on man, come on to my house. Or if you happen to be in a mall, you want to watch, you want to Rolex? Or you want to eat, I'm cheating on y'all. Y'all, y'all, y'all come on. He's super cool. Is this your mama? Hey, how are you doing? Nice to meet you. Y'all want to eat? A Rolex watch? Eating is different, but a Rolex watch? Sugar's super cool. And that money. But he can flip. He'll flip. That's why I got him backed up. You've seen him flip? I've seen him flip. When did you see him flip? A bunch of times. We ain't, give me an instance. So look, it's funny, you interviewed DLC. Yeah, I just interviewed them. I was in him with, so he was managing DLC. Yeah, he was. So me, DLC and sugar were hanging out at clubs. And so it was the palace. It was public enemy performing. And so he said, meet me up at the palace. We go, I'll get y'all, that's what she said. I'll get y'all in. So I get up there first and she's curious. Like, yeah, man, we ain't gonna let this person in, this person in, this person or sugar. So then sugar and then DLC rolled up and DLCs samurai. So they parked and went over there. I said, hey, man, he's the next time I think I'll let you in. Wow. So we went around to the backstage and then she was trying to get in like, nah, we was told, we was told not to get you in. She's like, I'm on the list. Boop, boop, boop, boop. He said, we gotta go to the front. So me, DLC and sugar walk to the front. There's some big country, swole, buff, body, big looking nigga in a suit. So he's talking to the guy with the list. And the guy, the list is telling him, you know, you're not on the list, bro. You know, go on so I can, you know, get whatever in. So he catches the sugar's eye. So sugar's like, hey, so he's trying to talk to sugar. So sugar was like, excuse me, dude's like, get back, don't touch me. I was like, oh, shit. Sugar said, hey, man, I'm on the list, man. Watch out. Because you watch out. That's all she wrote. Choked him out, peaked his big butt off, I forgot to move this ass. Beating right there. Like, oh, shit. And kept stomping him. Like, two down the range. Oh, we had to, me and DLC ain't that big. We can't, you know what I'm saying? What club was that? The Palace. That was the Palace. The Palace on Vine near Hollywood. And he stomped, he stomped him out. He stomped him out. But all y'all tall, you tall, DLC tall, lot of hard women pull them off. We trying, we trying. Sugar big as hell. Sugar big. He's six, four, he was a lineman. Yeah. Imagine the big old dude was playing football, he was a lineman. He was big as hell and strong. He delivered all the fun. So he stomped him out. He stomped him out. What did the other guys do? They didn't do nothing? I mean, everybody looking scared. I mean, you ain't gonna stop sugar. Sugar going. And this is a young sugar. Yeah, so he ain't trying to do this. This is athlete, you know what I'm saying? So he just stopped because he wanted to stop. It wasn't like y'all stopped him. But he stomped it. Did he? Like, unnecessarily stomped. He's down. Like, nigga, you got him. Did y'all leave after that? Yeah, we left after that. Y'all had to leave. Police come after y'all? We left that quick. I don't know.