 There's not really much of it. All right. All right, good evening, everybody. This is the planning commission meeting April 16th. And tonight we are going to talk about the Mallets Bay Initiative. Sarah, you're on. Sure. So I think tonight was meant to be sort of an overview. The slack board has given you the charge to review and analyze options to address the lack of effective waste for our disposal capacity on the inner bay. And I think what I wanted to lay the groundwork for is just a really quick overview of some of the history, take you through some of the reports, have you asked questions this being in the next meeting? I'm sure it's going to be a decade to giving you some overview next meeting. We'll focus more on specifically wastewater itself, regulations, details, enforcement, solutions for on-site community, the whole gamut. So I think what we tried to do tonight is to focus on what is the Mallets Bay Initiative? Where did this all come from? And sort of walking back in staff notes, back through to the 1960 town plan that sort of first looked at some issues within the inner bay and wastewater. Moving into the 1980s, when at that time the Army Corps had jurisdiction over the state waters. And Colchester felt that we need to have a higher level of regulation along the way. We worked with the state of Vermont to get the state jurisdiction over the waters of Lake Champlain there in Vermont. And later on in the 1980s, there was the Mallets Bay Advisory Committee that was formed that looked at a lot of these issues in terms of water quality. And it was what the Harvard Master Program came out of our current police boat enforcement. And there was still a consideration at that point of do we take jurisdiction over the waters of the bay from the state? That was something that in the 1990s was looked at and the select board at the time decided not to pursue that sort of specific delegation from the state. We still have a Harvard Master which is from Colchester PD that polices the bay for the state's regulations and works with the state on enforcement of the state's regulations. Moving on into the 1990s, there's the Village on the Bay initiative that took a lot, look at land use planning in the bay. And that was around the same time that the late 1990s sewer initiative was begun to look at bringing wastewater into the bay. And then we bring you up into the 2000s and I'm just moving through very quickly the timeline that's in your staff notes. And there was in 2003, we hired David Spitz as a land use consultant to begin to take a look at the sewer bond failed. People had concerns. They didn't think that the Village on the Bay was the correct initiative at that time of the correct solution. What are some other viable alternatives? And that was flushed out a little bit more. In 2007, we did a concept plan for West Lakes or Drive with the municipal planning grant. Again, there was at that time some lingering questions about transportation, whether or not we'd have the Cirque Highway. What was our capacity for any additional traffic within this corridor? So that was something that we continued to work on. So simultaneously to this, in 2003, back when we were holding the future of Lakes or Drive forums, there was a strategic water quality plan project that was done. It was a very limited, smaller scope one, taking a look at what are our water quality issues in Colchester. So parallel paths, you have taking a look at specifically the inner bay, land use planning and this other group over here that was taking a look at water quality initiatives in the town. The recommendations of that report were to further look sort of town-wide at wastewater solutions, the stormwater solutions. And now that became what was called eventually, mouthful, sorry, Integrated Water Resources Management Plan. That was environmental protection agency grant that was given to the town to really take a look more proactively at all of Colchester, wastewater concerns, septic concerns, town-wide water quality concerns, mapping a lot of our natural resources. And that took over really a, it was a larger project that really was in full swing for five years, but that was an initiative that was more of a decade solution. So parallel paths, skipping back over to land use. 2007, we take a look and we sort of identify vision for specifically the West Lakes or Drive area, sort of stymied by, we're not sure how we can implement a plan without knowing specifically what we're gonna have for traffic or transportation improvement. Skipping ahead, the CERC dies, which was that bypass road through the bay. It was determined that any sort of bypass road was gonna be tens of millions of dollars, 10 to 15 million a mile back in several years time. It wasn't viable to take a look at bypass roads or anything of that nature. So taking a look at what we have, we applied for another municipal planning grant and then began the 2014, 2015 effort, which we sort of looked at as being called the Malts Bay Initiative. Taking a look at everything in its context, what do you want the bay to be? Some things are going in the background at this time. You have the 2014 Town Plan, the 2013 Economic Development Action Plan, and the 2012 Heritage Plan. Heritage Plan was a really grassroots strategic plan for the town. A lot of people were involved with that outside of government. And it had an action I have of identifying existing town assets and the potential resources for improving coastal water-based tourism, community recreation opportunities. Such assets might include undeveloped land, underdeveloped land, conceptual plans previously created, including but not limited to the village on the Malts Bay. So there was going at this time of, geez, we really need to stop doing some, we need to stop studying things and we need to do something. We need to find a land use plan once and for all. So in 2015, with this new municipal planning grant, moving forward, looking at the bay, we hired regional planning to take a look at traffic and to give us projections in terms of what were our limitations. And we evaluated transportation infrastructure, bike and pet infrastructure. Simultaneously, the AARP actually got involved and did a walking study of the corridor in terms of pedestrian mobility, bicycle mobility, and what were some of our deficiencies in that area. So there's a lot of good information coming through at this time. And Colchester Fire District 2 began looking at a sewer option again. So we concluded our land use planning efforts 2015, 2016, and we created two new zoning districts, Lakeshore 1, Lakeshore 2, which are for the West Lakeshore Drive portion of the inner bay. And we had sort of that as a component of what was a larger Malts Bay initiative at that time. It was the whole gamut of yes, we have a land use plan, but we're also going to address transportation, we're going to address bike, pet, we're going to address stormwater, and we are looking into what to do with wastewater. Bringing that up to the current day, within the past year, Fire District 2 decided that they were not going to pursue the sewer project anymore. And they were looking at all Pineberg, Crem, into the bay, and then out to Goodsell Point, a fairly large area and servicing it via the Burlington Treatment Facility. The town picked up the project afterwards and said, well, once and for all, look at this and see if we can have a scale back version that might be viable. And they scaled it back to West Lakeshore Drive, East Lakeshore Drive, and Goodsell Point. And that was what was on the ballot in March. On the heels of the defeat of that ballot item and looking at all the things that we have going on with the Mallets Bay Initiative in terms of the community's will and drive to address water quality holistically, as well as that the bay is a resource for all. You have been given this task to look very specifically at the human waste pollution issue of this. So this is, we need to put you in a box. We need to contain you and have you look at a very specific issue. But I think it's definitely, I'm looking at the specific issue because you guys, as part of our planning commission, looking at our long-term plan where we're going with larger vision is, need to know that there's a lot of work and effort that's been going on in the background. And you aren't being asked to reinvent the wheel. You're being asked to look at this one particular issue out of a much bigger picture. So that's sort of the Mallets Bay Initiative overview and what I tried to do too for people that want to do more deep dive. We have in the drop box, as I said, I can get those two in other ways. Me, I'll print Bob copies if you want. Tell me which ones so I don't print them all. But we have the Integrated Water Research and Management Plan whole 879 pages. We have the executive summaries. We have probably the presentation, 50-slide presentation is perhaps the best summary of that. I'm working on getting you a much more narrow down like a 10-page executive summary. We also have what's been going on with some of the recreation planning, some of the transportation planning, stormwater. So that you at least have these resources available to you as you move forward to see what's being addressed and how. Because I think there are lots of questions that came out the community in terms of why are you doing the stormwater? Is this a priority for you? What are you going to do about transportation in the intersection? A lot of people are very passionate about the Bay and to be able to educate you and let you speak to these issues. I've done enough rambling in terms of an overview. And I think if you have questions or want to go into some of the documents, I'm more than happy to do that. And again, it'll be tonight in the next meeting, the first meeting in May, it's May 7th. So if you have some questions that we can't answer tonight, we'll look into trying to answer them for that meeting. And just tangibly, I think I put this in staff notes. To May 20th, we're looking at being a public forum. So your second meeting in May and so being on the 21st we'll be on the 20th. We're looking at the high school cafeteria. So I don't know if we can go live from there, but we will try and have a larger forum to solicit the public's input about this particular issue and what their concerns are and further refining our scope of what we need to address and how we're going to address it. Thank you, sir. Okay, I'm opening the floor for questions. Go ahead. Bob, anything we're at the top of your note? Zach, anything off the top of your head, it's a lot to, I'm sure you'll have some. Sarita, next? Just wondering if we'll also look at the economic, kind of how much tourism or mallets pay contributes, you know, in clean water contributes to all of Colchester in terms of revenues? That's not part of our project scope. So we will not be looking at that. I'm not sure that there is a firm number that could be provided, but it's definitely, if you take a look at, in terms of where is it for a priority, I encourage you to take a look at the heritage plan is one of the, I think 10 recommendations of the heritage plan. It's been very prevalent in a lot of our planning with the town plans, in terms of being a resource for the larger community, both voters as well as people like us swimming, fishing. I submitted some questions that Sarah said, get to at the next meeting. So they were kind of just like a sanity check on how expensive this project is. And my numbers were like 14 million into 260 homes was something like over 50,000 per home. And probably all of those homes don't need to do sewers. So it's only half of those. It's over 100,000 per home. And I think that might be why it got deleted. It just seemed too expensive. I don't know if you had any, back at the envelope kind of thoughts. Now at this point, we're going to get into specific septic sewer questions on May 7th. Rebecca? I guess I'm waiting for the information on May 7th. Everybody's looking forward to the scoop on the poop. Scoop? Scoop. You heard it here first folks. I think a lot of this process is going to be educational first. They've spent a lot of time and energy doing studies, getting thoughts, getting plans. If we get caught up and understand everything, I think we can help make decisions that work well for the future as well as current. Clean water is imperative to everybody from creditors to us. So it all comes into play. I think it's education first to learn all the things and time and energy we have spent. So the FAR district number two, they decide not to do it. They decide not to do it because of the cost. I think there are multiple factors. The cost was definitely part of it. It was over a $20 million project I believe and it was part of the fire district's efforts. But that would serve more than what was on lecture drive. Correct. Yes sir, that was coming up Heineberg, Crem, and then going over. So this is redirecting a little bit differently. Yeah, I would think so. And then the- It's a $20 million, it's surfacing a lot more homes. It might be more cost effective. Well, a new development occurred whereby the North End plant was looking to raise the tertiary level of TMDL treatment, which was going to be an unknown cost factor, which was going to add into that being the wastewater treatment facility. So that started to be, I think, more unknowns and more cost than was originally projected when they, when they started, they started with that one. In 98, I want to say, 98. And then their, then the head of their fire district two left and the town inherited the project. Pick it up. I think their potential to be decided not to pursue it any further. Rich, anything? I'm obvious. This is- It's what happens on May 7th, I guess. It's a vast amount of information. There's a lot of history here, as Sarah so well encapsulated and summarized for you, but there's, and I think those slides there will be helpful. So I was going back to all the IWRM presentations and looking at the slides that I had and seeing how it evolved from their first presentation to their final conclusion. That'll be very helpful for everybody that hasn't seen that presentation. Good, I guess you guys are waiting for May 7th? Well, I think it would be helpful to know because it was great that Mark sent his list of questions in advance. And if there are some additional questions on SEPTIC, I think yours are very comprehensive, so thank you. But if there are more, definitely less. Now I'm going to have Denise Johnson-Turk who's our wastewater official. So she's the person that goes out and does test pits if there's a failed system. She's also our health officer. And she knows the ins and outs of a lot of our on-site wastewater rules. So not that you necessarily have to have all your questions in advance, but there's some that you'd like us to research to. I think Mark had some great ones about enforcement. But what else can we be answering for you? How many years are we contracted to have the stuff off-site and sent to another town? Is it a 20-year contract? Is it 30-year? Because we're sending everything to another wastewater facility, correct? So how long of a contract we have with the other town? Exactly. Is it a 10-year contract? Is it 20 years? Is there gaps in how much he can go up? That's a good question. This was South Burlington, correct? Yep. I'm going to remind you, I'm interested in how mills point septic systems compared to what could be done down here in the east. Like, sure. They weren't, they went year-round. Yep. I doubt we could even come up with a cause for them. So Denise, can I also explain the systems that are out there? She can, if you want to. That might be good. What's out there and maybe what is kind of beyond new technology. So this is going to be a little bit of a crash course. I'm thinking at some point too, and perhaps before, this is just an idea, we did, back when you were doing the Mallets Bay Initiative in 2015 with the zoning, we did a walking tour of West Lakes Road Drive. And that was very informative and people pointed things out along the way. It might be nice prior to our meeting on the 20th, doing a little bit of a walking tour or two, and if we can, taking your time and looking at some of the septics out there. Because I think we can talk about the septics in here, but sometimes getting out on site, popping lids open. That sounds like a lot of people. That's it. That's it. She is. Fresh Vermont air. You know, I think there's a lot to it, so it's going to be a little bit more of an ongoing, and we'll try and give you a crash course on the 7th on just wastewater, but there's going to be a lot more than I think we can get into A1, particularly night. We talked, yesterday I talked, I talked a little bit with you about some of my questions, but I think one of the things that concerned me was the perception that this was going to explode, in the Bay, so it'd be really helpful to understand what the full build-out would be in the Bay, if, let's say, a sewer went in. Are those spheres justified, or is there a limit to growth along West and East, like you would drive? So, playing commission just a couple of years ago created the zoning that sort of put limitations on what you can build, regardless of sewer or septic for West Lakes Air Drive. The zoning for East Lakes Air Drive is actually one of your town plan action items for within the next two years to come like that. And so that is on your docket of things to look at over the next year or two, for, I think, a very similar process to what we went through over in West Lakes Air Drive. Massing, runoff, views, what have you. But the zoning drives what you get for a build-out. Infrastructure is just an accelerant or deterrent. It slows things down or speeds things up. You really do want to think through with your zoning and the plan, what do you want to see happen? It's just a matter of how quickly you're going to get there. Summary of the Lakeshore Districts was kind of made it clear of what you could and could build out. For some reason, you know, I got the study, but I couldn't, did you get this one? Couldn't find it, no? I didn't go to Clarke Base, which I probably should have, I was in Dropbox. Yeah, mine was like, hmm, so. We needed to make sure your Dropbox was working because you said you couldn't find something, which I found. I found the studies, all the different summaries, like the four or five different summaries of the studies that I read, one of those, the general one, but I couldn't find like the staff notes. Yeah, let's take a look at your iPad after the meeting. Okay. Yeah, it's not good. Couple questions. In 2013, LCI, remember we had questions about the boaters and them getting rid of their waste? LCI had that Lake Champlain arc and they were gonna collect the effluent from the boaters. I don't know if that, I don't think that program's still in place. That's a good question for us. I mean, for James, it's supposed to be an LCI. I think they tried that in 2013 to be a portable repository for boater wastewater. I don't know, but there is state funds that go to the marinas to offer people free pump outs. Pump outs, yeah. Yeah. One of my friends who's a big boater, said people who spend time on their boats on the lakes, they know now it's a limited resource and it's not like it used to be even 10 years ago that those aren't the people you have to worry about. So I thought that was some interesting information from somebody who boasts a lot. Yeah, that's good anecdotal because the boater has been taken several times. The boater himself, he spent so much time and this is what he's about and so he's not going to. Yeah, yeah. Also in the IW, I believe it's IWRM, I'd be interested to know what that 6,499 cluster system is. Gallup's per day cluster system, there's only one, I guess. You know what it is? So it's either the school or Marvel Island. Okay. They both have indirect discharge permits, so they're both over the 5,000 gallons per day. And to go to the mill's point question, there was at one time a suggestion for a pilot project out there for onsite inspection, but I don't think that ever came to fruition. So there was a pilot project that was done to look at community systems. Back in, I think, 2000, 2002? Yep, they were gonna do an onsite. We're gonna get the dust off that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And as a matter of fact, when you talk about Thompson Point, I think the mill's point looked at Thompson as an alternative and it wasn't gonna fly. No. So. Well, Thompson is a seasonal system. Mm-hmm. That's what I'm saying. At the time that the mill's point was looking at it, the mix wasn't quite, I mean, year-round as it currently is, but. Well, I guess we got plenty to chew on. Sarah's open to take your questions by email or however you wanna send them to work. Denise will tell us more specificity about our new favorite subject. So I think to lay the groundwork, there's onsite systems, which is what you probably, most of you have at your homes. And actually, all of you have at your homes. I haven't been Googling and spying on you, but you're all onsite systems. So that is everything under, I think it's like five or 6,000 gallons per day. And so the majority of systems that we have in Colchester fall into that rule. Then there's what's called indirect discharge, which is a community system, which is that larger system that's designed to handle anything more than that five or 6,000 gallon threshold. And so that would be a Thompson's point. As I said, the high school is a good version of that. There's one at Marble Island on the old resort that serves many of the condos. So we do have examples of both in Colchester. And then there's sewer. Those are sort of your three options of different types of systems. We have a variety of types of systems in Colchester. There are some that were put in prior to the 1967 onsite waste bar rules going into effecting Colchester. There are some that we have no record of that I put into the same spot. There are some that did obtain a local permit sometime between 1967 and when the state took jurisdiction over everything around 2005, 2006. So then there's July 1st, 2007, rolls around. The state took jurisdiction over absolutely everything for onsite wastewater. So if you have a single family home and you are on 15 acres of land, you never need a septic permit before. You need to replace or grant a trigger a state wastewater permit. There used to be a bunch of things back prior to then in terms of exemptions. If you had 10.1 acres of land and were in a town that didn't have any local onsite waste bar regulations, you could have a pipe going out to the ditch. There was a lot that was not regulated by onsite waste bar prior to 2007. Colchester, because we established a local program in 1967, had a legacy of requiring at least some sort of a local permit. Now as robust as what the state now does, but we at least have that history. So we have some history on many properties in Colchester, but not all. And so I think it's useful to know that now anything moving forward does trigger a state permit. We have jurisdiction from them, locally for Colchester, Colchester and Charlotte are the two towns that do. And anything that we permit has to follow state guidelines. We don't get to make up our own rules. Vermont's not a home rule state. Sometimes we wish we could, but we have to follow the state's rules. And that includes with enforcement. So that helps give you a little bit more information to start to digest it with too in terms of what types of systems are out there. Are there new different ones that we can look at? Well, the state could look at that in order for us to allow any innovative systems, the state would have to allow it first. So do we know whether the state is allowing some alternatives? Yes, there are a variety of them. The most prevalent that you see in Colchester, the bottom of sand filters, they look like raised flower boxes in people's yards, small wooden type enclosures. Mark, I think I had a question. Yeah, do we have jurisdiction just to inspect people, like go on their property and say, I wanna see what you have here? In some certain cases we do, but for the majority we do not. It's that for, I think this is with any sorts of permits or what have you in terms of, if you take out a building permit, we have a right to be on your property. To inspect for that work and to make sure that it's being done to a proper code. If you don't take out a building permit and you just do work on your property, we don't necessarily have a right to be on that property. So I'd sort of use that for similar lines for wastewater. If you have a state wastewater permit that requires, for instance, annual inspection or maintenance or something of that nature, we have a right to be on your property to witness its installation while the work's going on. And then afterwards, if there are any conditions that you're required to continue to meet, but for the most part, if you just have a regular old wastewater permit, you do the work, we don't have a right to enter back onto your property afterwards. These are good questions. I have in my mind that in order to come to the proper solutions, you have to scope the problem. And if it's only 5% of the homes that are producing 90% of the problem, that's a lot different than 90% of the homes contributing, 1% of the problem. You've got a completely different problem. And it seems like how do we get to knowing what is the source of the problem? The Integrated Bar Resources Management Plan, mouthful, was concluded in 2013, are thereabouts? And so it's now six years old. So some work has been done since then, but hopefully what will get you in that 10-page revised executive summary is an update of here's that distilled version of all that work in an update as to what things have been done since then in terms of, for instance, the stormwater utility's been put into place. We looked into operation O&M permits, but it's task four of that study. So in those executive summaries that you have, look into task four, which took a look at exactly that issue in terms of high-risk areas, what flows are what's called non-conforming or conforming, and what's the probability of failure within those areas. And they actually, as part of the Integrated Bar Resources Management Plan, sent out mailers to people, asking them to go on to their sites. They did onsite work. They didn't do it for everybody. They could only go to the ones that asked them to. And of that, they didn't get to all of them. But within these specific areas of Good Sell Point, East and West Lakeshore Drive, they went through an analysis by looking at specific systems, specific soil conditions, and as well as our permit history of what had been permitted and how old things were in terms of assuming that something that's 30 plus years old is probably sort of like a 30 plus year old refrigerator, not going to last that much longer. Now that go of a shape. So I think if everybody prior to the next meeting takes a look at that task or information, that will help lay the groundwork for some good follow-up questions. We good? Yeah, sounds like they looked at it. Still on May 7th, is that the deal here? Well, it's, yeah, but in the meantime, if any of the rest of you have some good questions or follow-ups, let me know. And we'll, it's always great to have them in advance so Denise and I can prepare a good answer for it. But definitely come to the meeting to hear your questions and we'll try and turn through them. And I will say is Denise's expertise is at the 5,000 gallons per day or less with the regular, so particularly with what I'm calling community systems, which are those larger systems. We're phoning friends. We're asking, we're seeking out additional information. So if you have any questions on community systems, let us know in advance. So this may sound like a silly point, but it dawns on me that every one of these on-site septic systems are basically a finite amount of time. It's only a question of how long before they fail, whether they're there three years or 23 years. If we set up the whole process throughout the Bay, can people still use their existing stuff until they fail and then hook up or is this going to be hooked up? Bang, bang, boom, we're over and done it. Thank you very much. So the way that the ballot item was proposed was everybody was a mandatory hookup that touched the line. So every property that was directly on either side of East West Lakeshore and West Lakeshore was going to be required to hook up when it was installed. And that would have been the case in the Heineberg prim. Yeah. Any, if I'm not mistaken, any time you lay down that kind of utility line that's in the mandatory connection, it's like the dollar's worth, I guess, I believe. Okay. Good questions. Septics, a fully complying septic system? Well taken care of, 20 to 30 year time horizon, usually. What we have a lot of in this area are best fixes, which means that it's not fully compliant. There's some deviation from the rules and those are come out without a guarantee in terms of time. So I think Denise can speak a little bit more specifically to that and some of the extra care that's required for some of these best fixes and whether or not people do the extra care. It really varies. Do you know, is there composting toilets and chemical toilets where the best fixes aren't gonna work? Are there things that maybe aren't ideal for the homeowners, but they're gonna keep the waste out of the lake? So even with a composting toilet, the state of Vermont makes you put in a leech peel. They look at it as a flow reduction. So if you choose to put in a composting toilet, you can take a flow reduction on what you need to accommodate in your leech peel. You still need to have a leech peel because the state of Vermont looks at the water coming out of your sink as being the same thing as what comes out of your toilet. It doesn't distinguish between, we call it gray water when it comes out of your sink and when it comes out of your toilet, it's black water. We handle both of them the same way. So we can't require people to do composting toilets and there really isn't much of an incentive that the state gives people to do that. So by saying you still have to build a full leech field and a full system and just may build a little bit smaller. Good question. It's a shame. Is it a try? No. Well, someone has to look at, someone's a culprit. I mean, someone is dumping their waste water into the lake and they should be accountable if it's not by themselves. I'd say that in doing years of enforcement now, it's never that sinister. It's never that intentional. And there have been over the years a variety of very well-meaning people that don't have the resources to fix things, that don't realize that they have an issue. There are lots of issues to varying degrees, but I've never seen somebody outrightly serve to the sinister pipe or tank dumping into the lake at night. It's never that obvious either. We haven't been able to pinpoint any place in all our studies. We can't go out and say, this property, this property, this property. So that task force sort of does that in the Integrary Water Resources Management Plan. It talks about specific areas and not specific properties. As we become aware of specific properties, it's immediate you have to fix it. You're going on a pump out until you fix your septic system. So there are times that a severe amount of fines of failure is either back into your house or surfacing, coming up onto your lawn, what have you. When surfacing, we can generally find out about those. The neighbors, our inspections, smells, wafting, those are pretty evident. And that can actually cause a health order where you have to apply like a mime or something to your property to get untreated, effluent, treated. And then you have to pump out your tank and go on a regular schedule to have your septic tank pumped out every few days so that it doesn't overflow and then go on to the leach field or surface again. And you have to find a solution and construct it within a certain time period. So if we did find something like that, it would be fixed. We can't let those linger on indefinitely. You guys are gonna find out with a hard way that I can talk all night about septic. It's a really, I'm sorry, I think it's a fascinating topic and it really affects cultures. We have over 5,000 on-site wastewater systems. The majority of cultures are served by on-site wastewater. The worst that's gonna come out of this effort is people learn more, hopefully, as a public education outreach about their septic systems, what they can do with them, what they can't, what some of the limitations on science are, what some of the limitations on the state are, so. But what we're looking at tonight is for 300 problems. Roughly. It's not bigger than any one on-site system. You're gonna probably be looking at community systems as being solutions. And that's why I'm saying, although I can talk about wastewater for quite a bit, there's a whole different realm of standards for those types of systems. And the state's been very helpful in giving us information. And so any information that you have that's specific to the community system, let us know. There's, it's not a community system, but the Vermont House, I guess, is why it's called the Westlake Short Drive. It's kind of like an inn. I mean, it has like three rooms or something, they rent out. But it seems like when we would do the walkthrough there, I think he talked about his septic system being a little different. That he was allowed to put a different system in for that piece of property. It's right there on the lake. Is there a way to find out what kind of system? For which, please, there are two robes. Two robes, Tom robes, and, Yeah. Some of these, that one, yeah. With that funny metal siding on it. I have red and galvanized riding on it. It's not that different of a system. It may sound like it was different. It's not like with a leech field here. There is, what, me? Because he had a very limited man there. He does, it's small. It's made of a system. What do you have? The parking lot. I'm pretty familiar with Marble Island. We have 87 units on one system that has three different leech fields. And it's an active system. It's actually in my front yard, unfortunately. There's these big vaults underground and the effluent circulates in there and it gets kind of pretreated. And that, I guess, if the ground doesn't perk very well, it reduces the size of your leech field. So it's called an active system. Yeah, big acreage-wise. An acreage. Well, we have three different leech fields and I think the one in front of my house is seven acres. So maybe there's like 20 acres or 87 of those. I don't know how big all of them are. I mean, it's also common. So I'll tell you how much is dedicated to leech field, which is just fields. Just trying to find the property parts and stuff. It's just left over from the hotel. It's, we have like way excess capacity right now. The golf course and the hotel and everything else to be able to do. If you have 20 acres or 87 houses, looking at 300 properties and something similar, how much acreage you'd need to do community systems Yeah, that's probably way overstated. Yeah. That's the main one. I don't know about the other ones, though. Cool. Hold on. You're mostly rock, right? Yeah. It's all, it's all our lives. It's all rocked. They blast when they put in your, you know. Everyone's doing it. So everybody blasted, put it in, then they ran it down to your community center or sewer versions. Oh, to put in the subject. Now I just know every time they build a house. Yeah, that's the last thing you're right. So, yeah, it's 76 Lakeshore Drive and it's three one-bedroom units. And the description, the overall description was a mound system. 420 gallon per day wastewater disposal system. That's a mound. So, I don't believe that is, it's performance-based, but I don't think it's non-NVA ball turbine system. Is that the system that was there before and you just recant the handles? Let me go back to... It's an existing three-bedroom unit, is this? Nope. Zoomed in a little bit too much. There's a mound system, but it's, I don't know if they actually had to make any physical changes to the mound system, but... You made it sound like it had a completely different system than what was originally there. It didn't sound like a mound system this way. How much does that system make here? Well, there's some homework. That's how much it costs, you know. We didn't keep track. We're now moving forward, trying to keep track, roughly, of how much these systems cost, but... They have friends that are up in South Hero and they have three camps a row and they go from 75,000 to 90,000 to 130,000, but they just put it in the last five years. Preach one of their systems? Preach one of their systems. Progressively? Yep. I mean, they stepped out of the plate and did it because they had some nice properties. What was the highest price point again, Rick? I think it was about a hundred and forty. Wow. Wow, wow. Yeah, it was huge. It's right out of the point. I think they had to pull everything, they had to pump it back out, I believe. That one, I don't know personally, I just hear saying this. The one I know personally is 90,000. They've gone up in price. That's what you're going to do with it. They'll have to go show up here. A pumping station, too? Yeah, a pumping station's going to get a little bit more expensive. Yeah. So some of the things, too, is with community systems, we've been looking into, there are definitely models of community systems in other communities. I think what was brought up was the Thompson's Point one. If there are other ones that you have questions about, let us know. We're starting to look into where some of these are, too. I think there's one that was mentioned about insurum. And then another one in Addison County. You guys set for the time being? You guys set? All right. Thank you, Sarah. I know we could keep you here for hours, but we're not going to. Not tonight. Not tonight. Okay. And I'm going to have a motion on the minutes of April 2, please. I'll make a motion to approve. Thank you. Thank you. And I got one correction. Thank you, Rebecca. There's a word in there. I don't know what's a word. A word that's not a word? I think you mean consensus. Paragraph three, fourth line from the bottom. The commission was in consensus. Consensus. Consensus. I think you mean consensus. Still get those great proofreader skills, Rebecca. I read it. So first page? Yeah. Paragraph. Oh, it's highlighted. Okay, fixed. All those in favor with the correction? All right, all right. Minutes are approved. So... And just very quickly, I had you sign the draft of the February ones before, so I'm going to also forward around the February ones so that you can sign. I've attached out there. The assignment changed all. I just took the draft off that was printed across them. So you get to the great planning and zoning reports. I love the new format. I can see that every week, every month. And in the future, Jen, as we've already spoken about May 7th and May 20th, which is a Monday. And then in June, we revert back to our usual Tuesday, first to third Tuesday. Except in July. In July, sorry. We're going to look to have your second meeting that last week of July. And if there are any other accommodations that we can make, I think moving into the summer and sort of the topics at hand, if we need to move meetings around so we don't risk quorum for at least the majority. All right, it's a great proposal. Since I am kind of short. Let us know. So do you guys hear that? If we have to move meetings around so we can keep quorum, let Sarah know. So we can adjust accordingly because it's all hands on deck. So we get through this new assignment and we really need everybody here. So we all hear the same thing all the time because it's going to move fast. And we're going to have people coming in and I want all of us on the same page. Hearing the same thing. All right, that's the lecture for the night. Lecture concluded. Make a motion to adjourn. There it is. Can I have a second? I will second. Thank you, Rich. Meeting is adjourned. Yes.