 Okay, we're gonna call to order the July 10th transportation advisory board meeting Roll call Chair Lainer here board member Bennett microphone. Sorry. Thank you board member Wickland board member Christ board member McInerney Board member McKee boroughs Board member Kim chair you have a quorum Thank you, and so Finally, we have a quorum. I guess we should say right so I'd like to do an Introduction of our new members and I guess we'll start Nicholas on on your side. You can start You're the luxury of being on the end. So We'll start with you Hi My name is Nick Nick him. Please don't call me Nicholas. That's what my mom called me I'm excited to be on tab and I'm looking forward to working with everyone here. Okay, next Gina Everyone, I'm Gina and I have been on the bicycle issues committee for about the last nine months And I was encouraged to apply to tab to have a little bit more influence. So that's why I'm here I'm David McInerney and I am beginning my third year as a board member. I became interested in the board when I read the Envision Longmont multimodal and comprehensive plan. I decided that the plan proposes a positive direction for Longmont's future and I wanted to get involved in turning the plan into reality My background includes about 30 years with private sector Consulting firms my particular areas of expertise were Land use and Environmental planning, but I worked on dozens of projects that had significant Transportation components and they involved many different Modes of transportation I'm a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners and that's it for me Vice-chair Chris Hi, I'm Diane Christ and I Started on the board at the beginning of 2022 and I became vice-chair at the beginning of 2023 I Have been doing a lot of field studies recently. I was involved in one automobile accident since our last meeting and Witnessed another automobile accident in our neighborhood just a week ago. So It was kind of funny because when I there were no injuries in my accident But I was talking to the police officers about what they thought might have caused the accident They said you really don't need to know this for your insurance and I said you don't understand. We need to know this for the transportation board They thought that was funny. So then they answered some questions. They and we can talk about that later. That'll come up. I Was down on the diagonal and I was thinking of you Nick because you said it's impossible to cross that and I was like He is right that is a lot of traffic down there and they don't drive that way very often. So Anyway, so Our goal That we've put before city council is vision zero and we're off to a whizbang start in fact, we're studying like I said field studies and All this information is helpful to moving forward. I think so we're happy to have all three of you as New board members as Steve and I did the interviewing we have high hopes for all three of you Welcome aboard great and board member Wicklund get you here. Well Hello, I Guess, you know Taylor Wicklund. I don't know what's kind of funny here. This is the first full board in my existence And I've been here for a year Which is great, so I'm excited for the next year of a lot of diverse opinion. Hopefully so You know, and I'm here because I'm I'm a little too involved, but it's I'm also on the bike issues committee with Gina But then also, you know, I've been advocating for vision zero for a couple years now So I'm real excited that I could be part of the Process in the discussion around that But then yeah, a lot of my experience is just based upon personal personal things I've seen from around the world traveled the globe for two years Lived in Sweden lived in New Zealand. They do things all very very differently than we do and So I'm always excited to move the needle any any bit forward. We can't so thank you Board member Bennett. Hi, my name is Garrison Bennett and I This is my first meeting here And I've spent about 15 years in Longmont, Colorado born and I've seen I was really excited to have a commuter rail here here in Longmont and have since done my civic service in trying to elect people to City Council that Really believe in public transportation But I feel that sitting on the sidelines and watching the headlines and advocating for other people has not been enough And I wanted to step up and be a part of this board and so I'm excited to be here today to expand regional transportation to make sure that our bike ways have a continuous path from A to B and That we can explore new exciting options that could make our city exceptional through microtransit and other exciting options So happy to be here. Well, great Welcome to everyone and I'll go ahead and I'm I guess I'm chairperson Lainer been a board member. I think David and I came in in the same time a couple years now and I would echo it Council member or board member McInerney talked about with Envision Longmont. That would be the impetus for me as well to get involved My background is actually government technology As well as transportation, so I'm actually back in the transportation industry Just this that just happened recently, which is good good news for me at least I'm an avid cyclist. I used to work in the bike industry years and years and years ago So I have a particular concern about bicycle issues mobility Micromobility and those sorts of things So I guess that's my story as well and I guess the final since we had a late arrival council member Yarbrough Hello, we finally have a full board. So we thought we'd do introductions here Thank you chair. I see that I was like, where do I sit? Let me look and see Amazing, this is a beautiful site a very beautiful site So happy to have you all here on the board. I am councilwoman Yarbrough council member Yarbrough councillor Yarbrough However, you want to address me. I like Shakita better. That's what my mama named me but um, I Am very Honored to have to be to sit on this board as the council liaison and I myself am learning a lot So if you ask me something and I don't know I may say go to feel or Someone else that has way more experience of staff person. So I mean I'm learning just like many of you so Thank you for being here and thank you for applying So, yes, great Okay, we will move on to our 2023 election of officers For chair and vice chair. I guess we'll start with chair any nominations for chair. I'll nominate you Steve again I second are there any more nominations? Okay, all those in favor say I Opposed and I'll cut to the chase here. I'd like to nominate vice chair Chris for the role as vice chair again Do we have a second? Do we have any other nominations for vice? Okay, all those in favor say I any opposed Okay, so it's done Congratulations vice chair Chris Okay, item number five will do the designation of places for posting of meetings per state statute and And I'm gonna need help with this Phil so you probably have some material on this Yeah, let me help out a little bit apologize We didn't put this in the packet but my name is Phil Greenwald transportation planning manager with the city and we just need every year to Redesignate our place of where we put the agenda where we post the agenda That is typically at the west entrance of the Civic Center right up here at this door above up at the top of the stairs so with that I would open it up to a Motion and a second and a vote for that. Thank you Okay, so we'll need a motion to approve the posting of that on the west end of the building Do I have a oh? I'm sorry. We also post on the web Yes, I was gonna note that yeah, sorry. That's so epic under the agenda packet is under prime-cove Agenda management portal Phil did are we changing back to the physical posting? It's my understanding that that's always been the physical posting Place and we did talk. I think last time about just web But that's always been the posting place and so we're just gonna formalize it now back if that's possible with I see thanks Okay, I'll need a motion to approve that Move to approve the posting I second the motion all those in favor of the stat of the posting of the What the meeting notice on the west end say I? Any opposed? Okay We've got that out of the way Number six will prove the minutes of the preceding meeting. Are there any comments or notes for the minutes from the preceding meeting in May? Okay, we'll need a motion to approve those minutes. I move to approve the minutes from our May meeting I second the motion to approve minutes Okay, all those in favor of approving the May minutes say I any opposed Okay, that is fast We'll move on to number seven communications from staff Phil. I'll let you take this over Thank you very much Again, Phil Greenwald transportation planning manager We just wanted to let folks know and we thought we'd get a press release. So we're kind of The press release was out, but nobody picked it up. So I guess it's not very exciting It's just us transportation geeks that really like like this stuff But we did win an award from the federal government for 25 million dollars I think a lot of you might have seen it if you're if you're keyed into the Transportation information at least that did go out to all the folks on the e-notification list So we're pretty proud of that. It's 25 million dollars. It finishes out the 119 bus rapid transit corridor and Specifically it does pay for For the most part we're gonna see how far the money goes but it pays for the design and the construction of the intersection reconstruction at 119 or the diagonal highway or can prep boulevard and hover so that intersection will be rebuilt With the boulder bound lanes and an additional bicycle trail going underneath the hover Portion of the roadway and so that'll free up What we think is a lot of a lot of turn movement, you know, the conflicting movement that was the hover Well the Longmont bound diagonal going north on hover That's a huge movement at that inner intersection, especially in the PM peak hours And so we think that that will really make Kyle's job easier as far as and our jobs as far as vision zero a lot easier With the safety measures that are going to be improved at that intersection and the separation of bicycle and pedestrians Being able to cross that safely and there are some bus Movements that are going to be added to that as well. So there's it's truly a multimodal piece It's something we've been fighting for for four years now. We've gone to Washington DC We've lobbied we've lobbied we've lobbied and we've lobbied and so that's four lobbies And finally this one we we got it so very exciting The mayor was a big part of that as well so many kudos to her for doing these trips with us to DC and former mayors I shouldn't mention as well, so It's been a long time coming we've got ten years under our belts of planning this so It's never a quick and I and that's just kind of the reality of what we do here is it's it's it's a long planning process So we're excited about that and the other piece was We did get a state award for one million dollars. It's a money turns out to be federal dollars But it was awarded by the state for our section of Kauffman Street between Boston on the south end and 1st Avenue on the north so it's a missing plate piece of Kauffman Street That doesn't exist today That will be a truly multimodal corridor as well. It'll allow for car traffic bus traffic separated bikeway and separated walkways As well as some parking some kiss and ride facilities for the bus operations that is going to be right in that same block So we're excited about that and then the third thing was just the recognition of the city of Longmont for being the number 10 medium-sized city For bicycling so in the whole Country, I believe it's just the United States But there was a worldwide competition of these things but within the United States We were the top 10 medium-sized city. So that's exciting as well. I mean we've actually moved ahead of four Collins Which I find amazing but In talking to Ben and in the back he did a lot of work to Make sure that we got the information out to the the folks that do these surveys So they got the right information because we really felt for a number of years that they weren't taking the whole picture into account for Longmont, so those are the Three big things that we have to talk about so any questions of first off congratulations to everybody in the staff I know how hard that is So we know how hard that is and that's that's amazing the the staff everybody that pulls together to do that That's that's amazing work. It's a total team. Yeah, exactly Yes, thanks Phil and your team for all that hard work the $25 million grant that have a title or a name. What program was that? Oh Gosh now I'm gonna have to remember what the acronym stands for but it's It's raise the grant or a I see I'll take my time here. Well, I should know what it means, of course, but um, it's Used to be called the tiger And it was the build and then it became raised and so each one has a different set of words that go with that acronym and But it was it's been out there for a couple years Basically, it's just based on the administration that takes over so this is the Biden administration's name for it It was tiger under Obama then Trump build Rebuilding American infrastructure with sustainability and equity That says it all I saw a reference recently to Something happening with safe streets for all grants anything for Longmont in that I'll turn that over to Kyle Yes, we just I submitted a request for application So easy to review process before we get updates for it But ideally that what we're asking is a two million dollar grant to provide signals detection upgrades along our Mining materials so like 17th night that are adjacent to schools So the title that grant is a lot of months safer signals to school So if we provide more bicycle and pedestrian detection at intersections, so Hopefully if we hear back down that one soon I'm surprised that there was not any media that picked up the 25 million dollar grant given that there was previous times call articles that That talked about the possibility of previous failed failed it like grant proposals. So I was just wondering if there is going to be any further attempts to try to make it more publicly notable noticeable or That's a great question I'm not sure if we as the city will do anything more at this time But we'll keep on as this project moves forward and it gets into the more final design phase We will be going out to the public regardless to get feedback on that design and so That'll be part of the outreach efforts Again, we don't have much ladder latitude with that design because it's it's not a lot of money compared to trying to You know build up basically an overpass or a great separated interchange So but CDOT is going to be the lead agency on that So we will kind of relinquish control at this point and that's a good thing Based on our resources So we're very glad that they are taking over control of that and they will go out with the public outreach on The design and then when they go to construction, obviously, that's it's going to be in the news quite a bit, right? So they're hoping to go to construction. They're hoping to get design done in 2024 and go to construction in 2025 So it's a quick project here now that they do have dollars But you'll hear there'll be a lot of this in the news And the rest of the construction project you just heard about too You just answered my question about time frame But to do with the Kauffman project. Is that now fully funded? And if so, when is the time frame for that project? so the current Jim angstatt director of engineering services with public works Kauffman Street is currently in its final stages of design. We're starting property acquisition now anticipate going out to bid at the end of 2023 with construction starting in 2024 so we have been able to compile a number of funding sources Including dollars and in the 2024 budget and we're anticipating that even with cost increases It will be it is now fully funded or will be in with the approval of the 2024 budget Phil you mentioned that for the Diag the 119 the grant it you mentioned something p and k hours. What does that mean? I'm just unfamiliar with the term Oh, my apologies the we call that the p.m. Peak So the afternoon rush hour basically coming back into town where Everybody's using a lot of people are working in Boulder coming back to Longmont or through Longmont and using that We call eastbound diagonal to northbound over and that left stacks up as you probably know and and it takes a while to get through So by eliminating the cross traffic that movement should be much easier in the future Yeah, I just kind of want to second everyone else on congrats, but um, also, I'm I'm very excited for Kauffman Street So, you know being part of the seeing all the renditions for the last year and a half two years So and maybe that will bump us up to maybe number one. Yeah So so yeah, congrats Well, we have a vision zero update for you because we know that this is a key topic for this board So I will turn it over to Jim angstead Thank you Phil so in the last few months staff has been working on Working through some of the the staffing Evaluations we would need tying it into budget. We've been working with with This is kind of the budget time. So one of the items that is in the budget is vision zero. It is Located in both the the capital budget as well as There is some in operating So council has asked us We're working on breaking those out into like an outline similar what I provided you But it'll have the funding for five years as well as as kind of some of the short-term work We're going to be doing We'll be getting to that to you by the next meeting What I did provide to you is basically a the first step once we establish a Kind of a stakeholder task force will be the draft of a a vision zero action plan So we provided Kind of an outline of what that plan might look like This is kind of based on kind of staff's perspective So it it might or might not look like that I've offered it up to the board to make some comments on it By the next meeting you can write on it. Send me send me comments if you want a a word version I can certainly send that over so you can edit it You know we listed some of the objectives There we could come up in the task force could come up with different objectives As well as the action plan items a lot of the the the other action plans I was I've been reviewing have kind of breakouts of several components engineering the enforcement components Education policy and I broke those out a little further again Tried to snapshot a lot of things There could be differing items don't I noted it as as a draft So don't assume that is what what the action plan would include But I open it up I think where we're going to start with is is tabbed as kind of setting if we want they the the committee to be Successful we want to lay start laying some of the ground rules and have a starting point I think this outline would serve as that so We would ask you you know when you're And that within the next before the next meeting that You know provide some comments on it and see if there's anything else you want to add Take away. We don't have to debate them. We'll let the committee decide that in the future and then on The third page there's a plan information Each of those items action items in the plan would be broken out and have of the title of the action Who the lead is? Whether it's it's transportation planning or engineering or PD There would be then a support person as well An action description the reason for the action and the objective and then within the adjective would be the time frame in metrics In some way we would lay that out in the plan and then I listed also What we visualized is some of the stakeholders So I would ask you guys to look take a look at that and see if there's in your opinion There's any other stakeholders that we would want to include For the task force as I think that was everything So Jim as I see this were to take a look at it as a draft Yes, make any notes any comments that we'd like to add to it So we don't need to do that tonight And we'll come back to the next meeting and have a discussion around this as a as a plan moving forward Is that kind of what you were saying? Yeah, just want to make sure we're clear on Visualizing that we could do a little homework and bring it back and then and kind of pin down this outline a little bit a little more definition Certainly things we can add We tried to cover things with per policy as well Some of these items as we look at them are going to be critical if we want to invoke some you know some vision zero changes in the field We have been locked into the mutcd and following that standard for a long time and It mutcd is manual uniform traffic control devices Which which is tied to state statute? It's the law we follow So if we may have to to revise city code To take parts of that out so that we can actually then you know perform That's one of the kind of one of the historically One of the delays in that that traffic engineers have always dealt with and in kind of solving problems in the field It takes a long time and with vision zero. We kind of want to accelerate that some of the improvements we want to undertake Or at least that's the plan Hi Jim How long have you been working on this plan and do you mind me asking? Do you know what cities you like looked at for reference and guidance? Um So we've been working on this for about two months now since the last meeting Vice chair asked us to put together an outline. So we started working on it it uh, I Went to the kind of the vision zero website and the Track down a federal website for federal highway that lists a number of the cities that have adopted vision zero So I started pulling action plans from there Raleigh, North Carolina Boulder had a has one I looked at Fort Collins There's a number of of ones that I just pulled and looked through A lot of them are following the same kind of not necessarily same format But the same information and just written in a different way And if need be we can send you I can track down that link again and send it to the board and so you'll have those references So I was just wondering how the city envisions making vision zero happen like is it gonna be Involving and changing code and changing priorities like how how is it actually going to be facilitated like the Achieving vision zero. I think that's gonna be embedded in the action plan, but it involves the Basically change does involve changing policy. It's listed in the outline Number of policies have to be rewritten a number of kind of the manuals we follow would need to be rewritten reformatted Kind of different criteria for them It'll involve Different kind of a different take on some of our engineering and how we how we view it involves significant amounts of data collection and using that data is To make priority decisions We do some of that already with our crash crash report It just getting to the point where The crash report were usually about a year behind so we're working right now on the 2020 to crash report And the previous five years we sum it up This is a about four or five of them in here. It's about 50 60 pages of data on crashes, but and then Historically our traffic unit has looked at that and made adjustments to signals small-scale improvements It's just we don't do it in a transparent manner. We don't advertise it. It just kind of gets done But vision zero would would draw More of the community in some of the decisions we make as well, which is the reason for the task force Said you enough information Okay, I just want to say thanks Jim this is very thoughtful and and a Good approach to begin with and I really appreciate you getting it done For our new board members so we can all start on the same page Appreciate all you do, you know one of the things your staff does is really makes a nice bridge between the data collection and the human element And that's very appreciated Okay TMP update Phil Yeah, I'll just do a quick update on the TMP but before I go on I just wanted to recognize one of the former city members in the audience Mike as a Gorski who really was a big piece of the raise grant award for the Over 119 project in that he did a lot of preliminary work for the for the design so we appreciate that and he also did a lot of work on Kauffman which kind of Disappears now that it doesn't work for us anymore but I'm thinking he might want to listen to about what's going on with the TMP as well, but We are currently releasing that TMP the transportation mobility plan is what it's called it's really the overreaching overall plan for the for transportation for the city and We are out right now with the scope of work and all the different pieces to get a proposal going this month it's taking quite a while and and That's the way it goes It's the way the resources are so we're waiting till about the middle of this month to release Then I plan on it being out for about six weeks To give consultants enough time to kind of find it and also then reply to it And so we're hoping to get proposals back probably at the end of August early September and then at that point we'll review those bring people in for interviews which we would Probably like to get one at least one transportation advisory board member to help us with that review So we'll just kind of plant that seed today and then probably ask you again in August At our August meeting if we have enough agenda items We'll come and back and we'll ask for you to consider a board member to sit on that on that review panel That being said we should have somebody in-house I'm working with us Late October early November. I'm trying to be a little conservative here But we'll see how that works out and before the holidays for sure and then get going in earnest in 2024 Any questions on that? Just to clarify this is the the master plan that you guys have been working on that of all the projects coming up. Is that correct? This is excuse me. This is a little different Or member of Christ. This is the this is kind of the overall long-term plan And so we'll be coming back to you in August actually we will be having a meeting in August. I know that Because we are coming back with the 2024 Capital improvement product project program or program of projects and We'll also talk a little bit about what's going on in 2023 to bring you up to speed on what's been going on this summer during Construction season as well. So there'll be kind of a two-parter there from some of our engineers And project managers on those projects So that will be happening in August as well but what we're talking about is an update to the mass or the mobility plan which we used to call of the Multimodal transportation improvement pro plan and So that was part of Envision Longmont. It was a sub it was like an appendix to that And it really did try to lay out each project as far as all the different types of modes and how they fit together and we're trying to Go back out to the public figure out if the public still agrees with the methodology that was used in Envision Longmont for that Transportation mobility plan and bring it up to date and refresh it. It's been a number of years now. So we're just kind of want to get that together as far as Project priorities the council's changed the transportation advisory board is brand new So are these the priorities that we originally went out to the public with seven years ago, so We're just trying to refresh it so that's the grand plan and then the CIP the capital projects are sort of the realization of elements of it Right, and then the CIP we try to do in a five-year increment Typically, so we try to put that together in the next five years What's going to where will the money be directed and this mobility plan? Transportation mobility plan is meant to direct how those dollars flow in the future and kind of give the 25-year outlook at least and And kind of give us a direction to move toward and then those projects come together As part of that 25 year planning cycle So we're ready for transportation in the future Which is a great idea Thanks Okay, do we have any public in here to speak? I guess then we can move on to the information items on the microtransit update I'll shift to this microphone now and we'll Got a short PowerPoint for you very short. I know it's been Kind of a crazy evening for everyone as well for branding members and all this good stuff Well, we do do presentations that these transportation advisory boards quite often So I just wanted to get you used to Listening to us a little bit about these different items, but this was microtransit for a long month We just wanted to kind of describe what's going on with this the council's already heard this and Typically, we like to get this in front of the transportation advisory board first Get your recommendation to council and then we usually take that to council this one was fast tracked I try to use that very carefully without saying fast tracks But this has been this was fast tracked and it had to get to council because we were applying for a grant and That's in the packet where we were applying for a partnership program and that that information was due last Friday So in order to make that and get council buy-in to that Process we needed to take it last month. And so this is a presentation from June 20th To city council, but it does have some some nuances in it. So really quickly. What is microtransit? We're talking about doing a system of four van four to six vans. They hold six passengers typically It's the idea of getting a really uber or lift like service But with the larger vans and with professional drivers who are qualified have a certain level of qualification Beyond what a typical uber or lift driver probably does but you'd still use the app an app to call to Request service or you would call in and that call in would have would have an equity piece to it That it would have any language basically they can cover almost any language that's spoken through the way that the call is is Move through the system they can move it to basically you just Start speaking in your language and they can actually use an apt they use an app on their end to figure out what language you're speaking and Send it to the right person for translation The real vision for this microtransit is that within 30 minutes you would be able to request a ride be picked up within You know a couple blocks of your house or you're wherever you're trying to request this ride from and then within that 30 minutes You'd reach your destination. So this is really a robust Cullen ride service much more than what we have out there today with With our to deal with talk a little bit about that later, too So we think that the microtransit is is really good for longmont in that it has the ability to adapt to Basically, what's what's happening on the streets right now? And if we have any special events or anything like that or if we have some closures due to construction or other things like that We can move vehicles around and really get Folks where they need where they need the service we can get the service to them Because we can ramp up the service or dial down the service based on conditions out there right now This is very similar to our bus shelter program. What we do is we contract with a private vendor and Basically, we give them the okay to build the shelters They go out build them maintain them take care of them do the advertising on them So that's a that's a little bit of a nuance. There might be some advertising with these as well, but We basically turn it all over to them. We're the administrators So we say where we like shelters or what we don't like shelters And we have some say in that this would be the same way But with this private contractor being a shuttle or a microtransit provider We wouldn't take on all the responsibilities of being a transit provider. We wouldn't be an RTD Or even a smaller transit service for just longmont But we would administer the program and let this private vendor do that So we do control the level and the locations of the services. So that would be good Existing microtransit models serve cities very similar to longmont. So we've seen this proven out in other suburban models before And so that's part of the reasoning why we looked into this was we started seeing these suburban communities around the country really Grabbing on to this model and if this is really what filled in those gaps between the fixed route and the different services that are out there This is just a quick diagram of kind of our existing services. The orange pieces are all the RTD regional transportation district Supported by sales tax. We also buy up What's called buy up the service for the local routes so that they're free to the user a lot of people don't Know that or understand it, but that's kind of what's going on underneath So that allows the fixed routes to operate for free for the local and the fixed routes also include the regional pieces There's regional buses as well to that The accessor ride, which is a required service that RTD has to provide wherever there's a fixed route They have to provide accessible routes that allow for anybody with a disability to be able to access Transit systems. So but you have to qualify for that service And then there's the flex ride, which is their version of calling right and right now they have about one Sometimes two vehicles, but it's really one vehicle for the whole city and it just doesn't operate It's one of these things where you have to kind of sub start a sub subscription service At least a day before if not number of days before before you can get the ride for the next day So it's a little clunky in that way. I'll be honest with you. We also have via which we Pay them yearly very an annual payment To them they provide the paratransit services, which they really only cover people with disabilities and then people older adults So those are the two groups that via serves specifically so They might be interested in the micro mobility piece of this, but that's yet to be seen and then transports our partners up in Fort Collins They are the transit provider. They provide the regional flex bus service that comes through town. It's actually Really great service if you've not tried it It's it's it's one to kind of see if you want to get up to Loveland and Fort Collins We have a lot of employees that use it as well And it provides that fixed route between the two what we really like for micro transit to do is Consolidate a lot of what's happening with the fixed ride or the fix. Yeah, the flex ride. Excuse me and Be a more robust system there and so we're asking RTD and the partnership program Hey, we need to Basically partner with you Take over some of this flex ride service and then what you're spending on that We would like to get some of those dollars to help us build this more robust transit transit service So again partner with RTD on that program with the partnership program. We have applied which is great So we're out there get our name in the in the in the hat I guess and hope to hope to be selected for for some of this we We ask counsel how much money they wanted to go for if we could go up for $600,000 If they wanted to do a portion of that or if they want to do all that counsel was very clear that they wanted us to Ask for the maximum amount That definitely helps our budget process if we can get that And that would be for the first year of the program and after the first year the first year really buys The buses and the rolling stock. So after that the product the costs start to decrease a bit. So we need to Get that squared away as well Some other interesting changes with RTD that we're very excited about and may impact what we do in the future Is in 2024 RTD is going to begin a new transit fare system And so all the youth under 19 would be free which is exciting So that we're gonna have to work with RTD anyway to just talk about how we buy up the service and how much You know if they're gonna offer Free service for all of everybody on in 19 and that's our primary user Maybe our costs could go down even more, which would be wonderful And then you can see the reduction in fares. So all rides are $2 and 75 cents So even getting to boulder getting to Denver would cost that same 275 There's not going to be a local and regional and express fares like before Except for the law except for the airport airport still $10. So gotta mention that that's a pretty Expensive service for them to run. So they're gonna keep that at $10 Low-income people who qualify and people who are 65 years and older will pay a Almost a half price discount fee of $1 and 35 cents Or that $2 and 70 cent all day pass, which is wonderful. I mean, that's really That's really inexpensive and that's very helpful for folks And that excessive ride that's that's required would go to four would be 450 For most people or $2 and 25 cents for low income So there are a bunch of things that are on the horizon, which we're looking forward to And again council directed us as staff And again, we would have loved to have come before you in And it turned out we do have to do that in May And we had our TD here in May, which was interesting too. So there's a bunch of weird coincidences, but Council did direct staff to pursue that micro transit for long months. So we did go forward with that partnership program As they requested and they also are directing staff on the future of the ride-free longmont We made a commitment I think there was a commitment by council that they really wanted to see the ride-free program continue And not disappear and not just go away when micro transit comes on board But have a transition period so people can kind of learn micro transit And then we would see what the next steps are. So we're kind of On hold for that for discontinuing that program, but we do have dollars Go to that program that would be great if micro transit proves to be popular Those dollars could eventually Transition into micro transit. So with that we'll take I'll take any questions and we Jim is our budget guy for all this. So he is Is helping put the dollars together to make this actually work even So I have three questions for you Phil Um, so what would be the cost for a user to use the service? That's a great question. We do not know yet What we've been asked by some council members Is that there be a cost? Because what happens in others What happens in other cities that we've seen this in Is people will request a ride and then they won't show up because they know it's free And so here's here's you know kind of this empty shuttle that's kind of running around chasing people who don't want rides after all So We're thinking one to two dollars might be that Cost and that would be up front That would be with the app. It would just be like It would be up front. I believe it wouldn't it wouldn't be at the end of the ride like a uber or lift it would be Up front fee And I think we'll we'd have to work out Depending on which vendor we get we'd have to work out if there's a if you get that money back if you don't ride Or would there be Half charge or whatever Yeah, like what if they're late, for example Then you're late for whatever you needed to be for Um My second question is uh, would you be able to order it in advance or is it really um the 30 minute window that you're looking at Our ideas that you could order in advance and set up that same subscription service If you need it at the same time every day or if you needed it in three or four days You could order that and have that On the books as it were And my last question is um, would would there be um Re-caring or one-offs like could you do like okay? I'm going to be needing a ride every day for the next week or Would it be you'd have to do one and then do another one and So the same idea of a subscription service almost. Yeah And that's an interesting question We'll have to see which vendors come forward with what kind of ideas but it's all based on the Software right now and how the robust robust level of the software So I think what you're talking about could be accommodated Pretty easily and what they've what we've heard so far about the software Okay, thank you Phil in your microtransit vision. How does the contractor make a profit? Well, they make a profit by what we pay them So, okay, so so whatever money we're going to yeah, whatever we come up from with from rtd. We've also I didn't even mention this. I apologize, but uh, we've We've asked for a congressionally doesn't design or directed spending one million dollars from our congressional delegation that includes nagoos and the two senators senator benet and taken looper We're on their list their short list for a million dollars It's it's kind of the new name for earmarks So as much money as we can kind of cobble together And then I don't have to ask jim for as much money from the budget, which he's Would be very happy about But those dollars that we put together to Basically buy the service would be their profit or part of their profit. They cover expenses, but So far what we've seen is that the vendors Come up with a price tag to to provide the four to six Units or buses shuttles whatever out there And they're cleaning a profit from that So the contractor wouldn't be free to Set the fares or increase them as they saw fit Right, they would they would want our feedback as a city of what the fair should be if we want to Pay for all of it or if we want to use fairs to recoup some of those costs But it's not going to be very much right the fair is not going to Cover very much of that because what we really want to build ridership on the system So there's no way that We'll be able to cover the full cost no transit system covers the full cost of that. So That would be That would be part of our discussion is how much should that fair be Okay, thanks. Yes I have another question for you Um, what if you have like an rtd pass? Would that be um covering the fair? The rtd pass would be strictly rtd So unless we work on an agreement with rtd to take those in I don't see that they would Cover that but there would be some kind of we would want to do some kind of for equity For the equity piece of this we all we want to make sure that there was a tap card of some type That people wouldn't have to carry around cash or have a credit card necessarily to be able to use the system so there would be some kind of Fair exchange or something like that, but it wouldn't be part of the eco pass because that is very much proprietary to rtd Even though I might I just throw out there that boulder boulder county covers the cost of the eco pass on the Transport bus system up to Fort Collins. So even though that's not part of rtd. If you have your eco pass Uh, they'll they'll allow it on that one because boulder county pays for it Uh, thank thanks phil for that presentation You know, I I was looking forward to it last month, but um the My question is if you know, we happen to get the two million when when a when do we find out and then After we solidify even more funding and figure out how much this is kind of costs When when do we offer the first bus? Well, we're hoping to know All of our costs and all of our revenue By october and november of of this year. So I'd like to be optimistic And again, I might get poked in the eye over here but um, I want to be open as optimistic and say we could start in q2 of next year Maybe q3, but that's if all things go very well cool, and then a final question is because you know, I was Kind of asked this to rtd because you know, I'm disappointed that You know their buses only go until 8 p.m That's kind of the same idea here, but then it you know, I see at the end schedule is dynamic and able to adapt so Is that On our end much are we faster to adapt than rtd that takes six months to a year? We would hope so The idea is just if if we have dollars available to make that work So if we get high If we get a lot of demand for later in the evening Well, we'd probably start to look at is where can we Get rid of some service during the midday And could we shift it or do we have the dollars available if we get some of this grant these grant dollars Could we use some of that offset? Putting some service later in the evening, especially when we first kick off the program And just get a big, you know if we can kick this off big Then we can see where the demand is and kind of move it and adapt it Based on what we see from the ridership Because they're getting instant information instant data And then we should glean from that I thought I love this idea and city control Um, can you tell me more about the rtd partnership program? Yeah, it's this is the first year of the program So we're kind of the guinea pig and a lot of folks are kind of staying away from it for that reason so It's based on basically different parts Of the region So we there's the northeast northwest Southeast southwest and then boulder county parts of rtd that they're going to look at and each sub district each sub region Is allowed to go up for up to six hundred thousand dollars per year And so this is the first year they're doing it We know we're in competition with the city of boulder because rtd is going to make them Um They've got a gun barrel shuttle that's starting up and they need to be part of the partner partnership program as well so we're we know we're competing with them And so they may take half of our dollars that we'd like to see but um That all that aside is this is the first year it's been done and they're allocating it based on sub regions of the Whole rtd district and so we're hoping to get a piece of those dollars and Again, if we can get some other dollars from other sources We'll blend this in and the idea that if what we're trying to do is eliminate some pieces that rtd is already providing Shouldn't those dollars then also come back. So not just the six hundred or portion of six hundred thousand dollars But whatever there's currently spending on flex ride shouldn't we get a portion of those dollars too to come back If we're going to supplement it and be the new provider of that service And so we've got a bunch of things that we're working with as far as negotiations So it's based off of rtd's own data of all the regions that they're having participate them Right, my fear is that there'll be one region that doesn't ask for any dollars And so now does the six hundred that was allocated for that region? Or if they ask for less Does that money just Sit there and not go anywhere or do we try to ask for those dollars as well, you know, so It's just they're trying it out. So we'll Again, we are the guinea pig in this and we'll see how many other guinea pigs we have with us, but We'll see how it goes and hopefully be positive Would the agreement with rtd include Using rtd bus stops as microtransit pickup places it seems like there could be some real benefits to having that as part of the agreement Yeah, absolutely. That would be perfect to use those existing stops because then you could just say Go to this stop on this corner and we'll meet you there kind of thing Obviously that doesn't work for the whole city. There's lots of gaps in that fixed route bus system, but I think that's a great place to start and In other places there's one other place in the district that's doing this loan tree Colorado, so They've been working really well with rtd to share bus stops and things like that Good. Yeah, the rtd stops typically have a a sign on a post You might be able to put some kind of small symbol on their post to indicate that it's a microtransit stop and eliminate some confusion We're also talking just real quick We are working and ben in the back I'm gonna try to embarrass everybody who came tonight. Um Ben was Instrumental in putting together a program where we're gonna try to get with those posts that you talked about Um, and this is this actually is it exists in Greeley today as there's a company that will provide seats that actually Kind of bind to the post or part of the post and they can also go independent But it's just a small little seating place. So people will we're trying to get a seat at every bus stop is kind of the vision And so we're working on that currently and The engineering group is doing a full inventory of every bus stop With the help of some great interns that we have from front-range community college Yeah, and uh, so they're gonna help us Put those and and find Where the where there are gaps in that portion of the system because we really want this to be comfortable As well for people are gonna have to wait. So I wanted to be comfortable reliable and efficient You mentioned that there's other suburban cities that have adopted a microtransit model Are there some in particular that you saw a particularly appealing? Well, alling to texas was the first thing that caught my attention with this and so We have called them and talked to them quite a bit about How their system operates and how this works. It's it's a little different than what our model is. So We're not going to replicate what they're doing, but We're going to tailor it for what we need in Longmont also Wilson, North Carolina is another place that Basically does not have major college campus And so those are the kind of cities that we're looking at ones that were over a hundred thousand that did not have a Major college campus was really our focus to who was making this work Additionally Salem, Massachusetts as a Salem skipper, so They've they're working with this as well And those are there's there's many others I can't come up with the top off the top of my head, but I can Send you any examples if you'd like to see those in greater detail. Good place to start. Thanks Thank you Phil for working on this I think it really fills a gap that we knew was there. It's come up more than one, you know It seems like every board meeting it comes up that we need To fill that gap and I think this is going to be very helpful I'm wondering What your vision is for this experiment are you thinking you go All out for a year and see see what sticks Are you is do you think the city council is going to go for a five-year term before we? Adapt I mean we're going to adapt as we go. What are you thinking? From all the examples that we've heard from it's it's highly recommended that you go at least two years So we're thinking a three-year program to really pilot this out and test it out And kind of see what what happens from there I think that's our our original plan our original plan is to do the three-year test and see how that goes And if it if the numbers bear out Again, we're going to try to adapt To the conditions that we see based on the data And so we're hopeful that we can make something work And it'll also be contingent on the dollars that we receive If we don't get enough dollars and this You know it requires many more dollars. We're why you're going to have to Adapt it to something that is smaller in size and covers less of the city That's not optimal obviously, but that might be our reality is we have to Shrink this down a little bit Right now. We're talking for the entire Longmont planning area. So there's some places in the county that would be covered like Willis Heights up north is in the county, but it's not Part of the city technically, but it would be covered We're talking about maybe even doing a partnership with bertha. They're talking about wanting to do this And so they would provide some of the resources and maybe we could share resources between the two There's a big demand out east as well So there's a lot of cities that might look at this and see if it's if it works as well from the outside and if it does They may want to partner with us on that. So there's some examples of that as well. So That sounds good. So the idea is to get enough funding to do two years at least Is that what i'm hearing? Again, we'd like to do three. Okay If possible. Yeah, so we're we're budgeting out for three years. Great Now here's the big question. Are we all going to be able to ride at home from after the board meetings? We're going to make sure that there's a special shuttle available from 8 to 8 30 Wonderful Thanks, we'll see what we need. Yeah, um, how are you going to accommodate cyclists? That's a great question I'm not I think we'll have to look at putting that in the scope of work So when we go out to the proposal Figure out how we can accommodate bicyclists, but I'm assuming it'll be more of the Front rack based on the size of the the vehicles the vehicles that we're looking for the six passenger vans So it might be a front rack that comes down is this kind of what I've seen in others with maybe two spaces for bicycles in front But Not for much bigger. Sorry. Yeah, not at this time, but we Talk all needs to go into the scope. So we'll see what we can be accommodating Oh, and um Would you add extra stops beyond the rtd one so that there's like, um, especially like for the east side of Lamont where there's No rtd buses. Basically. Would you add some like specific stops for the microtransit? This is a tricky question, but it's um what's a tricky answer because We wouldn't dictate where the stops would go the microtransit company would do that and they would Probably just give an intersection so they'd say maybe like the southwest corner of quail and Give me a name, you know of And martin and so they would say which corner to meet That the bus would stop on and so that's really more of the example. It's not so much the bus stops Going to a bus stop. It's they're picking. They'll probably pick a A corner and after a while they'll they'll start to understand where the stops are in relation to that meet place But it's really going to be more about meeting at a At a specific location and trying to get a number of people there So it's you won't get your own ride like uber and lift Sometimes or usually does But it would be a combined they're really trying to look to combine the ride So they would have somebody meet you there And so you might be waiting with somebody else and getting on the bus with one or two others, hopefully Depending on the success and the demand Okay Yeah, I just wanted to put a comment of how um, all right the current um Microtransit that we have like the flex ride Um, like they pick I've had I've used the service. It is a little clunky since there's only one or two Uh buses right now working, but uh, like they picked me up directly from my house So like the idea of having a post could be outdated Depending on what con who picks up the contract Yeah, I think the idea is pick me up on the corner of close and soon So that I can get there in 30 minutes and that was the what the gap we were trying to fill We weren't necessarily trying to follow rtd. We were trying to fill the gaps between rtd and and need Am I correct Phil? Yeah, we're pretty sure we'll we'll still need a fixed route bus service in town and so We'll see where that works and where it doesn't and if this fills in some of those gaps too because you know some of the buses We wait 60 minutes for a bus somewhere may 30 some are 30 minutes between buses. Um, so Uh, there's obviously a huge demand all through the city and I think we've heard a lot of this at recent Uh, public hearings where people have said Transits doesn't work for what you know for my part of part of town So we're trying to make transit work for the entire town and where a lot of the low Um Where the affordable housing I should say an attainable housing is going is in newer portions of the city that are well without well outside of Where bus service can accommodate them? So this would help with a lot of that growth. We're hopeful Yeah, great. Thanks So Phil um, just a couple questions with in regards to loan tree How long have they been running this program? They've been running it for at least a full year if I think it's been a little longer. Maybe a year and a half Okay, great. And and how has that been received? Public wise in in loan tree in other words, do they look at it right now and say it's been a success We're still in progress figuring it out Folks are using it. Did did you get any of those kind of metrics or information from them? You know loan tree actually held a workshop on this Um a couple weeks ago and I attended down a loan tree, which was fun. Um without transit So um, but it it was a very interesting example They had nothing but glowing things to say about How the services worked for the city of loan tree right now But we didn't get to talk to any passengers but There was a trial and it was I wasn't part of that. I missed the the trial piece of this because of the time that it took to get down there, but People were very impressed with the idea of just going to lunch and being able to just call up that service and it met all the requirements of Of time that the people who used it were trying to do and they didn't they didn't talk to anybody before they used it they just went and and Said hey, let's just go out there and try it out and see how it works And did a lunch thing before the workshop started and we're very happy with the way it operated With the number of vehicles that they had and the time that they waited. So That was something that they've been talking about for the last For all the data that they had they've Shown pretty good success as far as being able to Show that to other people. So We were impressed with what we saw but again It's not until it actually starts operating. We've also called a number of the we've called wilson. We've called Arlington Been to Salem and saw how that works just Because I have a kid that goes to college out there and so It's been pretty impressive that we've seen so far But there's all different companies that want to provide this so we need to Go through the procurement process Great. Thank you So I'm just looking at your timeline here and I'm thinking that's Come going to come up pretty quickly. How are we going to get this out to the public? Oh, whichever company that we select we will put into the scope that they have to do a very robust marketing campaign And they'll want to do that in order to Continue to keep the service going because if they if they fail right, they don't get paid And so there's a lot of incentive to do to do this right and do it well So That's what we see Yeah, that's a great idea. And I think that's one of the big advantages using a private organization Phil we're done with the micro trend micro transit update It doesn't look like we have any more action items. Do we have any action items that you can think of? We do not not at this time Okay, um, then I think what we can do is move to 11 which would be comments from board members And since we started on that side, we'll start on this side. So we'll start with board member Bennett well, uh Yeah, I mean, uh, I I'm excited to see where everything goes. I mean, I Yeah, I don't have any further comments um Well, you know, I'm just excited. We have more than four people now. So, you know It's nice to hear some more voices. So I'm looking forward to the next year. So And I'm very excited for all these projects. Thank you Staff nicely done Uh, we've really gotten on these two projects. Um, and I realize how very busy your Your schedules are this time of year especially and um, thank you jane for finding a replacement for stacey so quickly And I I'm just wondering, um, I imagine there were orientation materials sent out to the new board members And I'm just wondering if we could all have copies of that just so that we're all on the same page as we've Um progressed over the last year. We realized, um, maybe there were some that didn't have the new Rewrites of the bylaws that we had worked on, you know, and just If you've seen it Already, then you don't need to reread it just to know that um, we all have the same documentation And how does anyone else? How does everyone else feel about that of the? Original for would that be helpful? Um, I just for consistency is that you think we do have it in that booklet as I'm saying I provided that same copy that's at your For the four people who were existing I we we did a A little packet for everybody. This is kind of a rollout for all the rules and procedures as well as our Um transportation plan to date. So what's existing what we're currently going by so we did hear you last time When you said that and provided that at your desk, okay Well nicely done again, let me um and then So the other thing I'm thinking about is the um amended crash report which caroline had worked on and I just want to Give value to that and maybe give some time to review it And as new board members, we didn't want to scare you at your first board meeting, but um, it's a good place to start How does how do you all feel about that? Oh, um, they do and we do an annual crash report Which tells us where a lot of the transportation issues are within the within the city and we And our last crash report asked for some amendments to it and some additional information be included and I know that it was sent to us But we never got a chance to discuss it as a board. I think maybe this might be A good base point a good starting point for everyone to look at Why don't we go ahead and add that to the agenda for next next meeting? Appreciate it. Thank you and Like I said it nicely done staff so appreciate you and kyle I saw I was at a crossing It was not in longmont, but there was a box there and it looked like a camera in it Is that what you're talking about upgrading our Our crossing signals to include a camera or something that detects maybe human So the midblocks we don't currently have plans to put in a detected dedicated Detection there but with our new traffic signal system. We're trying to do the summer There'll be like little ball cameras. There's a few older models throughout the city You'll see the way about the new ones that are way more advanced And those will be able to detect pedestrians and bicyclists. Oh, excellent. Excellent. Thank you. So glad to have you on board Thank you staff for the information updates And once again, welcome to our new board members. It's great to have you with us I'd like to return to vision zero So Jim do you have in mind a timeline for task force And do we have a new deadline for selecting a member of the board to serve on the task force we're hoping to get the The task force up and running within the next three to four months So what I'll be looking at the first step would be To be most effective is we need basically a staff member That we have to hire. We're working on getting a position created for that It's been a bit of a challenge to find somebody or find a job description that we can all agree on So we're still working on that. So I would anticipate certainly within the next I want to you know, inside three months outside four months Is what I would hope to to have to have that Put a call out for that in that time frame To start establishing that committee or task force In the follow-up question, when do we need to pick someone From our board to any time now Any time okay, and it doesn't necessarily have to be be one one member Okay, it can be You can have two members from the from the board. I'm not gonna kind of limit What we want to have on there. We've got a couple of other Other groups the bicycle issues committee. I think we we leda is asked to have a seat at the table So I'm not I don't You know the more more people we have the more opinions we have for things. I think that would be beneficial Okay, thanks for the clarification Well, I'm excited to be here and thanks for the updates um I have a question about when we can request speakers to especially as a new board member I don't necessarily have all the background that everyone else does and it'll be helpful to maybe Have some speakers come in. Um, especially like for the vision zero um, maybe hearing from one of the other cities who have Already gone down that path and have experienced and maybe can help Guide us in moving that way forward um, I also would like to hear from rtd as well about what their plans are with Um, connecting us to other cities as well Well, um, maybe to put some more color on that. We really don't have speakers come in or invite them RTD gives a yearly update Um, and then based on whatever the transportation department Needs to discuss They'll either bring somebody in to speak on that behalf whether it's an engineer Or again rtd and phil you can correct me if i'm wrong And that's correct. We usually have our speakers to this group are typically people who are trying to get information out to you or trying to get feedback from you either They're all typically governments. So it's usually boulder county rtd c dot Those kind of groups come in and and do those things. We do have that um, sustainability transportation summit that's coming up in august I sent that out. I'm still looking to see What the payment could be if it could be reduced. So we're working on that But I would encourage you to come to that that's going to have some national speakers some statewide speakers It's going to be really interesting. Look at and it's going to be geared around rail So um, so it's going to be primarily focused on the rail piece I guess that means we're going to get some rail here It means we're going to try to get some rail here. We're going to keep trying Keep on trying We think we have money in the budget too to cover if anybody wants to go to that and again, we're going to work with uh We're going to work with the uh The folks that are putting this on and we are a member. So we're hoping that they Do that but they also need the money to Run and operate. So it's kind of that balancing act of yes, we're nonprofits, but those things. So anyway um, I just want to say this was really informative and I learned a lot and who do I need to talk to to get a crosswalk between county line and chris Right kenpratt. Yeah, you I need to crosswalk because at the end of that walk way We're right like before the new development. It's a straight shot to walmart, but it's like a Like frogger you're going to die if you keep walking over there So I'll talk to you later then Yeah, uh, you feel free to shoot me an email happy to answer Um, and then as we do our new development processes, we do look for uh public improvements like, you know crosswalks, but uh generally to meet some uh warrants or uh, certain criteria to install crosswalks and how we prioritize those throughout the rest of the city as well So just a quick background. So to say, you know And um I'll go and then I'll let you that's okay No, of course I just wanted to uh thing or uh, say welcome to the new members and thanks staff for um, the accolades and the money, of course Um, that's all good news and and good stuff and I do like the micro uh transit update and and what that direction is going How you're basing it on some models that you've already seen. I think that's all very smart Uh, looks like it's a beaver metrics driven. So yeah That's that's what I've got Thank you chair. Um, uh again Welcome welcome welcome to the new uh board members It is a pleasure like taylor said to see more than four Well five included myself here um into here your questions and perspectives and everything. So that's pretty cool Um, really the only thing I have to say is um for the new board members When uh field one was rtd here for that presentation when we were going over about the free They came in may of this year. We usually have them in march. So we'll try to get them in march of next year So what I would say is was that recorded? So they can we can if you don't Or I can go back. Yeah, I was going to say And see if we can get you all the clip of that recording so you can get more information about rtd And how they came up with this information and this is all new for all of us Um, and also do we have anything that's recorded about vision zero? I know with city council We did have you all had a session and provided some information That may have been on During city council. I'm not sure if we have one here. I think we had two different city council meetings where we presented Maybe the most recent one Yeah, we'll we'll get that to you Yeah, I just want them to be able to have that opportunity to review about vision zero What we all came up with and then also rtd So if you can review that then you can write down your questions about what you don't understand And especially now that we have a vision this draft of vision zero Action plan about the task force so you may have even more questions So just remember if there are anything that we are talking about that from the past We should have some something either with uh during the city council meeting Where staff have brought it to city council or we may have already had a presentation about um Say for instance something about the um the mobility plan or something like that So just just know that and then you can always ask us and um ask me so I can ask someone else But yeah, I think that would be a great opportunity for you all If we can find those clips for you and then you can learn more That's it. Thank you all for such a wonderful job. It's always in the interns are doing good. I hear Yeah, yes Okay, uh, so the items for the upcoming agenda Uh next scheduled meeting is going to be august 14th. I'm going to do the cip um projects and of course the update to that And anything else that we've added today. I know we mentioned the crash report, uh the amended cash Crash report Um, okay, uh, I don't think we have any other comments. So can we get a motion to adjourn?