 There is no cause for complacency and I'm glad that RDD is DD and not D. So the second D matters in the Congo basin degradation. Yes, deforestation in the sense you have it in Indonesia or Brazil, luckily so far hasn't happened in Central Africa. But I think in the sense that RDD can be asked him to encourage countries to actually really stop deforestation. Then I think that part of the world should not be forgotten whether or not we have the second D. But luckily we have the second D so I think it's going to be important that the countries of the region are also brought on board with the discussion to move towards greenhouse emission reduction through the forestry sector interventions. The infrastructure is not fully there. Given what I've just told you, governance structures are very weak. Mechanism to ensure equitable benefit and distribution of benefits and what what are not there. So I think there is still a lot of work, a lot of ground to be covered to work towards that. But the countries, some of them having been included in this readiness, you know, plans assisted by the World Bank and other institutions, as well as this Norad grant or proposal about the pilot Red Studies. So I think we will be able to see what is happening there and what can be done to help them. The countries of the region are pretty much aware of the discussions happening around Red. I would say they are very well organized because they have this regional body called Comifac, Commission of the Forest Africa Central that is really trying to get the countries together so they can have a common position in Copenhagen. And obviously Red now I can see in the last, I would say the last couple of weeks, you know, say from the end of August, all of a sudden it has really gone very high on the agenda. Up until then it was an issue for the technocrats in the Ministry of Environmental Forests depending who is having the forest in charge. But now I can see we have reached a level where like prime ministers and even some heads of state are beginning to be engaged. So I think it's August as well for the years ahead and you know, but there is a lot of work to be done in terms of the governance structure definitely if Red is going to be successful to any degree in that region. The population in general, if I exclude from that the elite, has always been very much aware of the value of the forest from an environmental perspective and a livelihood perspective because you have to remember that it's a huge forest area with probably up to 100 million people who depend on that forest especially from the non-timber forest point of view. So they see the exploitation of timber as a nuisance to be honest with you because they see that the revenues coming from timber extraction and export is not really trickling down to the level of the population. They were somehow much better off before timber extractions and exploitation came into being. So they value the forest more from this holistic approach you know the socio-economic environmental services point of view than just purely the timber export. So it's just a matter of actually for them it's like well this is what we have been aware all along maybe we didn't call it red or whatever but the forest is their habitat and they care very much about preserving the forest. And in a way I think it explains why in that part of the world we haven't seen large-scale deforestation like we have in the rest of the world. It's very very exciting. I came to see for coming from the UN where I was also involved in environmental issues but in the UN it was more like hi there managing processes all these intergovernmental negotiations about environmental treaties but after a number of years of doing that I really needed a place where I can also get a feeling that I know what is actually happening down there on the ground and to also be back in the research arena even though I don't do research myself as such or very marginally but just to be associated with a research community where the science is the major focus because you know I'm convinced that science has a lot to contribute to making the world a better place. So for me to come at C4 Science for better forest management to improve livelihoods, to improve governance, to improve environmental services it's like the ideal spot where I could be at this point in time in my life.