 Let's pray before we get started. Father, we thank You. For this day, we thank You for Your grace and Your mercy. Lord, we thank You for Your faithfulness over our lives. Lord, we continue to lean into Your wisdom, into Your knowledge and Your understanding. Holy Spirit, come in. Open our eyes to the hidden things of Your Word. I pray. Lord, even as we continue to learn about ministering, healing and deliverance, Holy Spirit, I pray that You would continue to guide us, rest on us, give us the confidence and the encouragement that we need to go about doing Your work. Jesus' name I pray. Amen. Okay. Good morning. Once again, thank You all for joining. Good to see you. Are you all doing okay? Yes, had breakfast? Did you all have the time to have breakfast? No. Okay. Can you hear me at the back? Is that okay? The mic volume? Okay. Great. Okay. So in the last session, we completed chapter 7. Let's just take a quick look at chapter 7. We'll have like a quick glance, a review and a run through. Chapter 7 is titled, Practical Guidelines on Ministering Healing. We have emphasized that the same chapter, everything that we've learned, every steps, points that we've seen, can also be applied on receiving healing, not just ministering healing. Are you all clear? Yes. Okay. So these are the different ways to minister healing, but these are also the same ways to receive healing. Okay. It's very important that we understand and realize that. Okay. So one is through personal faith in God. With that, we can also exercise faith for others as well. As much as you can pray for yourself, we know that. You know, we can also say, we can stand in the gap for other person, other people. Through a prayer of agreement. Another word for agreement we saw was unity. Thank you. Okay. Someone was paying attention in class. Okay. Agreement is unity. There's power in agreement. That means we can say there's power in unity. And that's one thing that the devil is after. Like to break the unity of the churches and the families, etc. Through the prayer of faith, through a word of command, through the laying on of hands, with anointing oil with a word of command, etc. And through the announcement of faith, through the acting on faith, etc. So those were all the things that we saw in chapter 7, last class quite extensively. Today we move into chapter 8. We look at chapter 8 and chapter 9 together. Okay. Please note that I think I have mentioned in the beginning of this course that chapter 10 and chapter 11 will be covered in BC 1-1-2. Okay. That's in a whole and also BC 2-1-6. That is in a wholeness course as well. Okay. BC 1-1-2 and BC 2-1-6. Okay. That is chapters 10, 11, and 12. Okay. So, yeah. So depending on the time, we will cover chapter 8, chapter 9, and chapter 13 today. Okay. Chapter 8, chapter 9, and chapter 13 today. So if we are able to conclude chapter 13, we will be concluding, you know, this course as well. So, yeah, happy news. Okay. If we finish everything on time, today most probably will be the last lecture for this course. Okay. And I'll share about the assignment and everything later. Okay. Are you all okay? Is that any questions? Okay. Any questions before we even begin this class? Yes. Those online? Okay. All right then. Let's get started. Chapter 8. This is a simple model for ministering healing. Now, we've learned different ways to minister healing and deliverance. But what is the meaning of a simple model for ministering healing? For example, I'm not sure in your school days if you had to do any science projects, build a model train or a model car or something like that. It's just a small-scale thing or a guidance for a bigger picture. So, in this chapter, chapter 8, we will be learning five different steps or ways to actually minister healing and deliverance. Okay. Now, again, this is adopted by this person called John Wimber. Anybody heard of John Wimber? No. That's fine if you don't know. Okay. Let's see. Don't know, sir. Okay. Thank you. I think he studied with me. So, John Wimber is the founder of the Vinyard movement. Vinyard Church's movement in the early 80s, 80s, 90s and everything. So, Vinyard is a pretty big movement that was, you know, birthed in the US and the UK. And so, John Wimber was the founder of that. Okay. And so, he was a pretty big on ministering healing and deliverance. And so, he put this model together. And please note that this is, again, just a guideline. Okay. It's just a guideline. So, here, when you see, look at your notes, you'll see there are five steps. That's the interview, the diagnosis, the method selection, the ministry and the post ministry suggestions. Okay. No, as we've always emphasized that the healing and deliverance is not in the method. It is in the person. Okay. And we get that, right? Okay. Healing and deliverance is not in the method. It is in the person. So, tomorrow or today or whatever or in the future, that means that you can go out and minister healing and deliverance and you could, God can use a completely different method through you, which you didn't study in this course. And you should be absolutely fine with that. Will you be fine with that? Okay. Yeah. So, he is God. He can come up with creative ways to minister healing and deliverance. We are not going to put God in a box and say, okay, these are the only five steps. Only then, if you do formula one, formula two, follow step one, step two, only then he's going to move. No. Some 115. Very good. Okay. He is God. He will do whatever he pleases. Okay. We just need to be open to that. All right. So, let's go through these simple model and we'll see how we can learn to minister healing. All right. Is that fine? Okay. So, the first step is in how you can minister healing and deliverance to an individual is what we will call it as the interview process. The interview process. Okay. Simple questions like, now again, if you have the time to have this conversation, you can ask all these questions. There might be a prayer gathering where there will be like 50 people, 100 people, 150 people. Okay. Come, please, sister. Tell me what is your name? Where are you from? What is your history? You know, where does it hurt how you know the history and all that you have to be, you know, sometimes I think we forget to use common sense also. Right. If you have the time, if you have the opportunity to pray for the person, ask them the question, get to know them. Right. It's very important. What is their name? I mean, just to address them by their name. It's a good thing. Right. In the corporate world, we used to call it. When I used to work in the call center, they would say, you have to personalize the call. Right. That means you have to address them by their first name or their last name is like, you know, Mr. Jonas or Mr. Asapu, whatever. Right. So it's personalizing makes it more meaningful when you're ministering someone, ministering to someone. Okay. So get to know them. What's their name? And when you're praying eventually, you can say, Lord, I pray for so-and-so. I pray for Joseph. I pray for Asapu. You know, so you're using their name, isn't it? So first step is the interview process in that you get to know who they are and what the condition is. Okay. And say, okay, Pastor, please pray for me. Okay. I'll pray for you. Okay. Fine. That's okay. No problem. But getting to know, I'll just a little bit in detail what the condition is. Right. Okay. What can I pray for? Right. I need healing pastor. Okay. So what do you need healing for? Right. And then if it's the condition is physiological, physiological simply means if it's with the body or a psychological means if it's with their mind, right? Or if it's also spiritual. Okay. So it could be physiological, psychological, spiritual. I mean, so eventually when you get to the root cause, when you find out, okay, this is what it is, you can discern that, okay, hey, this is not just a physical body problem. You know, for example, let's say a person comes. It's like, pastor, I've been having this, finding it hard to breathe. I'm having chest pains in the night while sleeping, whatever. You know, I'm just example. Okay. I've gone to the doctors. They've done all this X-ray and CT scan or whatever thing, but everything seems to be normal. I don't know what it is, but in the nights, every time I go to sleep, I feel suffocated. I'm not able to. And so, okay, the doctor reports says it's normal. Everything else is seems to be fine. We can come to a conclusion and say, okay, you know, it could be something spiritual about it. Are you with me? Right? So this is where the first step, the interview process, is very important. And so, you know, there is a list of questions that's mentioned in the notebook. Where do I go? Page number in the PDF is 122, at least in the PDF version that I am using. It's 122. Simple questions like, what is your name? Right? Now, what would you like prayer for? Are we all looking at those questions? Okay, let's look at those. Let's be on the same page. What would you like prayer for? It's a good question to ask, isn't it? What can I pray for? What would you like prayer for? Okay, you know, I'm, I'm feeling depressed. I'm being distressed. I'm feeling anxious. Okay, so now you know it's, it's like a little bit of a psychological thing as well. Right? Or some cases, or most cases, it can be a combination of all three. It could be physiological, psychological, spiritual, or it could be a combination of two, either one. Okay? But the point is, just get to know the condition a little better. That's it. So you can be very specific. Are you with me? Okay. Some of the other questions, how long have you had this condition? Do you know what the cause is? Ask the person, do they know what the cause is? How did this happen? Or since when it's been happening? Are you with me? Okay. So for another example, I'm sorry guys, I'm just thinking of examples on the go. So I'm just reminded of certain situations, such as circumstances that I've come across and that I'm just, you know, sharing that with you. It could be a person where they would have gone to a place where they should not have gone. Right? Or for example, they would have played a board game that's associated with black magic or some sort of sorcery, you know, because their friends, actually school kids these days play some kind of a game called Charlie, Charlie something. You know, have you heard of that? He's giving a big head, yes. Again, I played the game, you know? It's, so that's an example, right? So let's say it's a game that it's forbidden, as in you're just opening up a door for the devil and his demons to come in and enter in, right? To have their way in your life. Let's say an individual has done that. So, and if that person remembers, you know, I've been getting these very, very bad dreams and experiences since the time I played that game. Okay. No, no, that the root cause there. Okay. A door was opened then because of that. Okay. So it's giving you a better context to minister to the person. You're not just treating the person. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. No, you're taking time to understand the condition. Are you with me? Building more context. Okay. So we are not doctors here, but, you know, I hope you all understand, you know the importance of that, that first thing, right? We're just trying to understand the root cause of it. Okay. Now, the second step is the diagnosis. What's the first step? What's the first part? The interview process. Okay. The first round is the interview. You get to know them, get to know their condition. They're a little bit of their medical history, if possible. Okay. The second one is the diagnosis. Why do they have this condition? We kind of touched upon this in the previous point. Okay. So why now you are coming to a conclusion, you as a minister, right? You are coming to a conclusion. Okay. So this is why. All right. We are not trying to take the place of the doctors. Please remember that. Right. So again, let's look at the notes that it says this is about identifying the root of the person's problem. If possible. Okay. It is about identifying the root of the person's problem. That is if possible. It's not always necessary, but helpful to know the root cause. Okay. You can highlight that it is not always necessary. All right. So that you tomorrow, I don't want you to go out and say, while you're ministering healing and deliverance, I don't say, okay, this is the second step. This is what I learned in the course that I have to go through this diagnosis step. Otherwise, you know, I can't pray for you. No, no, no, no. Okay. It's not necessary. If it's possible, you know, get some clarity and context of the condition and go ahead with that. Okay. Now, look at the several reasons why people may need help. Right. It says natural causes. It could be disease or accident. The natural causes that say a person would have met with an accident, right? And hurt their back or their leg, whatever. So that's a natural cause. And that is a proper, a physiological problem, like a physical problem in their body. Another one could be sin committed by them or to them. Okay. Committed by them or to them. So we can, when I say to them, another example of sin committed to them could be, for example, someone was physically abused. Right. Any individual, for example, is physically and sexually abused. Let's say that. Okay. No, it's just not talking about the girls, whether boys are also physically and sexually abused. Okay. Let's be very clear on that. Now, what would have happened is say, you know, because of that, because of that incident, it is possible possibilities are huge and that you can harbor bitterness, right? And offense and hurt and anger and resentment and this rage. Because, you know, I was, this was done to me. This was done to me. How could this person do to me? Are you with me? And because of that, you as a person have become very bitter. And you as a person don't trust anyone around you. You put on a mask or you put on a wall, a shield, right? Like this. I'm strong. I'm always strong. You know, kind of a thing, you know. So sin committed by them or to them, emotional hurts causing physical or other pain, emotional hurts. Again, you know, some of the most dangerous people that I have met in my life, some of the most, the most dangerous people that I have met in my life are those who are bitter. You know, bitter, bitterness, bitterness, unforgiveness, what do you call it? Bitter people. They're like, I will not forgive you. How can they do this to me? Anyone? Anything? Any equivalent of that in Hindi? Anyone online? Okay. Let's, I'll use the word unforgiving people. Okay. People who have not forgiven. Okay. The most, some of the most dangerous people I have met are those individuals who have not forgiven. Okay. And you're looking at one of the person. I was one of those person who had great difficulties with forgiveness for almost 10 years. I could not forgive an event or an incident and the person, people was involved with that. And I, it was very hard. And what that did, what unforgiveness and bitterness did to me is that it did open doors. It changed me as a person. Okay. It completely changed me as a person. It took me away from God. Now, when you're away from God, you can only be close with someone else. When you're away from God, you are with someone. That's the only other place where you can be. If you're away from God means, that means you're with someone else. Okay. And the someone else is not very nice. He wants to steal, kill and destroy. Are you following what I'm saying? Okay. Okay. So there's another cause, relationship problems, lack of forgiveness, supernatural, maybe demonic. So one thing could have led to another. Okay. Now, why is this step a little important is, as you are listening to the person as, you know, for example, say Joseph is sharing, I have this problem. I have been having this problem since so and so. Now, while I'm listening to him, it is very important for me to also listen in to the Holy Spirit. Okay. Now, why? Because the Holy Spirit will be, may share something, you know, that is necessary on how I should minister, or the Holy Spirit may reveal to me some of the things that Joseph doesn't reveal to me. Are you understanding? No. When you're listening to the person, it is also very important that you listen to the Holy Spirit. Why? Because the person might not always necessarily tell you everything. I mean, not because they might want to hide it. They might not necessarily remember it. It might be intentional. It might also not be, you know, intentional. Okay. So that's why it's very important. While you're listening to the person, you also listen to the Holy Spirit. Okay. So the first step is the interview. The second one is the diagnosis. Why do they have this condition? So once you have the conclusion, okay, so this is the condition. This is what it is. Okay. The next is the method. The word of knowledge. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. What kind of methods to use when ministering? What kinds of methods to use when ministering? Now we've learnt a bunch of it, like laying on hands, anointing with oil. It could be both laying on hands and anointing with oil. Petitions simply inviting the Holy Spirit, asking for healing, intercessory prayer in English and spirit, the command of faith, the pronouncement of faith, the pronouncement, the binding and rebuking demonic powers for giving and renouncing past hurts and wounds. Okay. Now again, laying on hands, anointing with oil, I think it's always safe. It depends on the context, but I think it's always safe to ask the person, can I lay my hands on you? Can I anoint you with the oil? If they say no. Okay. Can I use oil? No, I don't want you to use it. Fine. No problem. Can we close our eyes? No, I don't want to close my eyes. I want to look at you. Okay. What are you going to do? It's fine, right? Now if you are going to say, oh no, this person, the healing is not going to happen if I don't lay my hands, if I don't use the oil, the things are going to happen. That's where the fundamental problem is. Why? Because you're giving way too much importance to the method and you don't have enough confidence in the name of Jesus. Okay. So if the person says, sure pastor, you know, whatever, you can lay your hands on me. Yes, sure. You can use the oil. You can use the cloth, whatever you want to. No problem. You want me to close my eyes? Sure. I'll close my eyes. No problem. Okay. So the next thing is the third part in the step is that you, what do you do? You choose a method that you want to minister. Okay. So you've done the interview. You've done the diagnosis. That means you've come to the conclusion. So what do you want to do as in what the condition is or what the root causes? And then the third thing is you decide which method you want to choose to minister healing and deliverance. Are you all with me? Any questions so far? Fundamental basic question. Sure. In a scenario where you are going to pray for somebody and he or she is not in a position to speak up for the pipes, food pipes or anything for that matter. Sure. It's perfectly fine to ask the person whoever is attending you. Yes. 100%. Yes. And in a scenario when you're also looking out for a cause, like what caused it? It could also come as a response. We absolutely don't know what. Absolutely. Yeah. And you continue? Yeah. So we still continue to minister. If they say you don't know, it's okay. I think what is important is that you ask that question, you pose it and see what they see about it. That's important. And if the person, like you mentioned, is bedridden and not able to speak for whatever reason, maybe they have a stem stroke, a brain stem stroke, or they are paralyzed one side. They are not able to speak. Their family member can speak for them. They have to if they are there. But otherwise, in the worst case scenario, if nobody is there, you don't know. You're still minister. What are the conditioners? You pray in Jesus' name to completely heal the person. Yeah. That's it. There was somebody that I knew just for two months and he was around maybe 21, 22 years of age. He's from Orissa. So something prompted me to just put a message, how are you doing and so forth. And I didn't get a response for a week. And later again, I felt, you know, to reach out to him. And he said, no, I had a stroke. So it was a very unrelieving, like 21 years of age, no smoking, no drinking. And then he didn't know the reason and cause. But then the doctors did mention some place where there was the blood flow wasn't there. Correct. Yeah. Yeah, the strokes are usually caused by, because of the lack of blood flow or blood clot to the brain. Yeah, my father-in-law had a brain stem stroke. He was bedridden. So, yeah. Yes. Yeah, Shani, you have... We'll come to you in just a minute. I see Shani has raised her hand. Yeah, I just couldn't hear the person's class first question that he said, that he asked you. Okay. Yeah. So Akhil was asking the question, what do we do in a scenario where a person is not able to speak or share their condition? Or why, you know, at times like that, if there's a family member there who is present, they can share on behalf of the person as to what the condition is and what caused it, if possible. So that was basically the question from Akhil. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Gatrud, you can ask your question. I have a question. If you want to pray for your children or for your relatives who have a problem regarding the relationship, anger, unforgiveness, what is the best way to pray? Intercessory or binding and losing? If a family member or your relative is harboring unforgiveness against you? No, not against me, but against other family members. Against other family members. Yeah. Anger, resentment, unforgiveness, and then so many things bottled up and how to set them free in their mind? Yeah. I mean, see, as a good family member, what I would do because I love both sides, right? Let's say this side A is not happy with side C and then the side B in the middle stuck. But because I like, I love both of them. I want them to have reconciliation. And so, yes, I am going to pray for them for 100% and I will intercede for the peace that passes all understanding to invade their hearts that there will be supernatural intervention and all of that. I am going to pray for that. And then in that authority and in that confidence, I will also speak with the individual sides as well. You know, encouraging them, teaching about what the Bible says, you know, I think Jesus asks us to forgive, to walk in forgiveness, et cetera, et cetera. And we do our bit and then we surrender to Jesus. Thank you. You're most welcome. Any other questions that you guys would like to ask before we move on? Can you use the mic please, just for the benefit of everybody online? This matter for only for healing or for deliverance or so? It's for both. Yeah. So that's why we gauge the spiritual aspect of it as well, isn't it? So once you gauge the condition is spiritual, like for example, okay, you know it's a demonic, you know, oppression. So that's the conclusion you come to. And then you take the same steps accordingly. That's the same thing. I mean, I'm sure we've prayed for people, right? And all of this is fundamental. You would have already obviously asked, you know, the first two things like, you know, what is your name? What can I pray for? Et cetera, et cetera, right? At least during the pandemic, I, you know, I'm during 2020 and 2021. I mean, I think the number of times I would have said I'm going to pray for you would be more than the rest of my life combined. You know, because I mean, we needed each other, isn't it? We each other needed to know that we are praying for each other, isn't it? Yeah. Okay. Cool. We'll move on. And so we finished the step. So the interview, the diagnosis. And then the third thing is you choose the method that you want to minister. Okay. And then we move on to ministry itself, ministering and watching what God is doing. This is a very simple thing is if you're ministering, healing and deliverance. Now it's okay to not close your eyes, you know, because for example, again, if a person is in a wheelchair or if they've broken their leg or their hand, whatever, as you're praying, you'd like to see if there's any progress happening, right? You'd like to see if, okay, are they able to, is something happening? Is something manifesting? Are they able to stretch their hands and whatnot? Are you with me? So when you're ministering, it's a simple point there is as you're praying, you keep your eyes open, you check if there's something changing physically, and you ask that person, like, do you feel anything? Right? Sometimes a person might say, yes, I'm feeling like a heat in my body that's going through me. I've heard people say electricity, people say they feel cold, whatever. Right? But the point is, during ministry, you are always asking them, checking with them as to how they're feeling. Are they feeling any different? Okay. Now if you're praying for a pain, if you're praying for a lower back ache, one thing what we can always use is like a scale degree. Right? Okay. From a scale of one to 10, 10 being the pain is still the same or is more, or as you reduce, the pain is reducing. Okay. If it's a five, that means the pain is reduced. Okay. So you ask that person, okay, Komal, you know, on the scale of one to 10, you know, where's your pain at now? During prayer, if Komal says, okay, it's coming up to five past or it's not as bad as how it used to be. Okay. And then, okay, let's continue praying just a little bit more. Let's press in for a complete healing. Let's pray until it comes to zero. Okay. So you just, this is how we continue to minister. Now, when do we know when to stop? When do we stop? Of course, when the person is healed, we stop. Like, no, no, I'm going to pray some more, you know. When the person is completely healed, we stop. Or if the person wants to stop, wants you to stop praying, you honor their request and you stop. Okay. You don't hold them by their collar and say, it's like, no, no, you know, I will tie you up and when the person wants you to stop. Or again, God always has to be in the picture. God always has to be in the picture. Okay. The Holy Spirit tells you to stop. You stop. Understood? So this, through this whole thing, through this, all these, so much information that we are learning that, you know, that's being shared through all this content. The common denominator of the factor is Jesus. God, Holy Spirit. Right. He's always there. You are constantly leaning on his heart, his understanding, his wisdom. Okay. Don't depend on yesterday's success for today's ministry. Okay. They're like, no, no, I've been doing this healing ministry for 25 years. I know what to do, what the secret recipe is. So, and in that arrogance, it is possible that you choose to say, I don't want to listen to you, God. You want to do God's work, but without him. It doesn't make sense, isn't it? Right. All okay? Yes. Okay. So if we are praying for someone and if you are not seeing progress, what do we do? Well, if the person wants you to stop praying for them at that time. Now, if there are, again, let's take different scenarios. If you're praying for a person who needs healing, but there are 25 other people who are waiting. Right. Now you pray. You ask God genuinely, sincerely, for Holy Spirit to minister healing and deliverance. Right. You continue to press in, but otherwise you ask the, tell the person, okay, we will continue to pray for you. Okay. We will continue to believe in the miracle and go. Okay. Because you need to pray for every other four years. But otherwise, if it's just that one person, depending on the time, you continue to pray and then if nothing happens on day one, day two, you will let them know with a message or whatnot saying, I'm praying for them. I'm praying for complete healing. So you let them know. We don't give up. Right. We don't give up. Okay. Why? Because Jesus is our healer. He's our Jehovah Rafa. That's his covenant name. We know that God is willing to heal. We know that sickness is not, he is not the source of sickness. So we use the word of God and we continue to press in for a miracle. That's it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Last point before we move on. What should we, what should they do to keep their healing? What should they do to keep their healing? This is the post ministry suggestion. Okay. Now you've done the ministry bit of it. Now post ministry, what do you do? The person is healed. What do you do? Now if a person is an unbeliever, you invite them into salvation. You share the gospel with them. Say, hey, this Jesus wants to have a relationship with you. This Jesus who healed you, died on the cross for you. Bible says Romans 3 to 23, you know, all have sinned and fallen short of his glory. And then Romans 6 to 23, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Right. So you share the gospel. Okay. Now this is not an evangelism class, but one of the ways that I have learned to share the gospel is this thing called the Romans road. Have you heard of that? The Romans road. Have you heard of the statement that says all roads lead to Rome? This is a very old statement that says all roads lead to Rome because during the Roman Empire, they built the roadways and which from any country that they ruled, you could reach Rome. Okay. But like I mentioned, this is not evangelism class, but you can find the sources online about sharing the gospel or evangelism Romans roadway. Okay. I'll share with you all later. Okay. So you invite the person into salvation. But if that person is also a Christian, you continue to encourage them to become stronger as a believer. If it was a spiritual condition, you make sure that they are baptized in the Holy Spirit. Right. The point is not this thing is empty. One thing goes out, dirty water is thrown out. The purpose of this is to be filled with clean water. This is hot water. Are you with me? So, you know, making sure that the person is baptized by the Holy Spirit and you encourage them, you give them enough tools or resources. For them to equip themselves, right? Spiritually, like how to read the Bible, how to study the Bible, making sure that they are plugged into a life group, a small group into their to their churches and what not. Okay. If a person is healed from a broken leg, you would not encourage them to jump off a building. Okay. I'm using extreme scenarios, but common sense is also very, very important. Yes. No. Okay. Yeah, that's the, that's the end of this chapter. Let's quickly review this chapter if we will please. The simple model for ministering healing and deliverance. The first one is the interview, right? Where does it hurt? You ask the common questions. You can make a list of frequently asked questions. FAQs. Okay. The diagnosis. Why do they have this condition? Right. Supernatural cause of sin, emotional hurt, relationship problems, supernatural. Okay. And then you decide on which method you want to use to minister healing and deliverance. And during the ministry time, you'll keep your eyes open just to see, witness what God is doing and learning when to stop and post ministry, encouraging them to grow stronger, you know, in their walk with God. Okay. Now, are you all okay? Yes. Yes, no, maybe. Okay. You know, I mentioned that, you know, it's why we are listening to the individual. It's also very important for us to listen to God. Right. So that's what chapter nine is all about. And just to summarize this chapter, it talks about the gifts of the spirit for ministering healing and deliverance, gifts of the Holy Spirit, right? As mentioned in 1 Corinthians chapter 12, verse from verse four to 11, in verse eight, we see the word of wisdom and word of knowledge. In verse nine, we see faith and gifts of healing, working of miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, different kinds of tongues to another, the interpretation of tongues. Right. You know, one and the same spirit works all these things distributing to each one individually as he builds, as he was. So this is the gifts of the Holy Spirit. It's a gift. We are encouraged to pray for it, ask for it. He gives it to us as he is willing. We don't earn it or anything. You know, it's a gift. You don't earn a gift. Okay. So one of the key things here mentioned is when you're ministering. Again, all of this is in the context of healing and deliverance. You can use these gifts for life, but in the context of healing and deliverance, say word of knowledge. So what is a word of knowledge? Can someone tell me? It's knowing something about a person that's happened in the past. Yeah. Okay. Knowing something about a person that's happened in the past. Okay. Thank you. What else? A word of knowledge. Knowing something about a person you don't know. Like God will give you about his sickness, like what sickness is going through or is he having difficulty. Some information about the person you do not know. Some information about? A person you do not know. Some information about a person I do not know. Yeah. Okay. All right. Knowing an aspect of a person life. Person life. Okay. Andrew says knowing their conditions and telling them. Okay. So, okay. Tell me what is the difference between a word of knowledge and a prophetic word? So knowledge is something that you know and prophetic word is something that. Something like out of your experience or, you know, out of your flesh, something that you know and you're just sharing it. Okay. Something is something which God has put in your heart to prophesy to say it. Right. Okay. Yeah. So I think it was a very simple distinction. But thank you everyone for answering the question. Yes. Sanjay says prophetic points to the future or the things you have to happen revelation as we say it, right? Okay. So simple ways is, for example, the way I understand word of knowledge is in, as it says, word of knowledge, right? You know something. For example, if this has happened to me, for example, so there was a time when I was leading worship at North APC North and Pastor Nancy prayed, she was praying and then she says, okay, does someone here, does anyone here have a red color car? Right. And there's some trouble with the finances regarding that someone with those and we're praying. So what happened is, so she released a word of knowledge, but I knew it. Right. I knew. Okay. Yeah. I have a red car and I know it. Are you with me? So something that you already know that's been told to you by another person is word of knowledge. Are you with me? If I come and say, it's like, okay, what is your date of birth, Joseph? Date of birth. Full date of birth. 1996. That is full date of birth. Why do you all take so long to say nine? Okay. Okay. So I'm praying for Joseph. Okay. Finally got the new date. So 98 1996. So I'm praying for Joseph. And let's say, you know, I get these numbers 989996. Okay. Or I'm just generally praying and I ask, okay, does this number mean anything to anybody 98996? So Joseph puts his hands up and says, that's my date of birth. He knows it. Right. That's the, so that's what the word of knowledge is something that a minister or a leader or a pastor shares prophetically. But that's something that you know a prophetic word is talking to a person about it could either be instantly right there. For example, what a prophetic word could also be is let's say again, Joseph is a drug addict. Okay. Joseph is an example guys. Okay. But you are prophetically declaring in the name of Jesus, you're completely healed. You are no longer a drug addict. What am I saying? I'm declaring faith, announcement of faith. That's one of the things that we learned, isn't it? So he's healed right at that moment. So that's one of the intents and instances of prophetic word or another time to say, okay, you know, God has great plans for you. I see that he's got so and so and so and so and so and so planned for you. That's a prophetic word. Are you with me? Yes or no? So this is why we emphasize so much on leaning into being very sensitive to the leading of the Holy Spirit while we are ministering healing and deliverance. Okay. There's a huge element of prophetic involved in it. Yes. And some of the ways that he speaks to us is through seeing. Seeing means that you can see some images, picture, a painting, whatever. Right. And another time he might speak to you through hearing. Right. Through to your spirit. And you should, you may hear the Holy Spirit whisper or share some words or sentences or thought you can say, okay, I'm hearing this word called father. Does that make any sense to you? So the person could open up anything regarding that's associated with the father. Right. Feeling. Okay. Feeling is a huge thing that that I've seen people minister healing and deliverance. For example, have you seen, you know, pastors or leaders that say, okay, does anybody feel a pain on the left shoulder? For example, why? Why? Because they will be feeling a pain on their left shoulder as I'm ministering. And this has happened to me, not many times, just a couple of times is one with their knee. So I would feel a very weird pain on my, I felt a very strange pain on my right knee. That was never there. And again, so, you know, you become so sensitive to his voice, to the way he speaks. And I'm going to take a step of faith and ask, you know, like I could be making a complete fool of myself and say, but is there anyone here who's having a pain on their right knee? Are you with me? So, you know, God can speak to that as well. He might cause a sensation that way. Or it could be so many different ways like that that he can communicate. But the point is the way guys are looking at me is like, what am I saying? What are you saying? Okay, these are the ways that he communicates. And the point of all these points that's mentioned in this chapter is that we learn to be sensitive to the voice of the Holy Spirit. It could be a prophetic word, a word of wisdom, discernment, all of it, it boils down to just one thing. And that is how sensitive you are to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Have you learned to understand his language? Because to each of us, he speaks differently. He may speak differently. But have you learned to recognize the way God speaks to you? It's very important when you are ministering, healing and deliverance. Understood? Okay. Awesome. Thank you for listening. We take a break and we'll come back and resume. See you guys. Have a good one.