 Hello and welcome to eFapTV. This is actually the first eFapTV format one to be released because we've had other ones that didn't release. I'm weird and no one likes me. I guess you could call this the first of the last of us. Whoa, we've shown people this format before in episodes. I just haven't had a chance to use it yet. Let's play it safe. Welcome to 2024 everybody. Oh, there you go. So weird. I feel like this one deserves a little bit of preamble, right? We got different levels of familiarity here. The last of us, the IP, the wonderful, wonderful IP that people seriously, for one entry, people adored that IP. Not bad. I believe it was Naughty Dog's most successful game, more so than even Uncharted. So then you hear about it everywhere. I remember I picked it up real late. I was like, fine, I'll play this video game. And then I was like, that was good. Question mark. And then I was like, hmm. It's funny that you say that my experience was similar. I bought it for the remaster for PS4 and I was like, that was, I really liked it, but not as much as everybody else. I just remember that was the, I had so many mechanical complaints, but I was like, I like the story a lot though. I was really bad. But yes, the story was strong, straightforward, simple, but hit a lot of beats and did so very effectively. And they're doing the, what is it? It has an archetype name like Wolfen Curb or something. That's the thing. A common, yeah. The disgruntled, jaded old man going on an adventure with a kid. Which young whip. Well, and it's funny to look back on, right? Because a lot of people said God of War 2018 is just like a blatant ripoff of Last of Us. But now with Ragnarok, it's like, they finished out their story and it's fucking golden. Our Last of Us do it again. It's like, shut up. Well, I mean, it's kind of funny, right? Because it's the same thing where like Logan, right? People said it was ripping off children or men. It's just like, you know what? It's just like a storytelling like format. Who's saying this? Maybe that's all it is. Having watched, we just decided for the fun of it, not for anything else, to watch Kung Fu Panda. And it's just like hero's journey. Hero's journey, yeah. Just hardcore hero's journey. Really, really well done. Because it's, the reality is that simple or complicated. People want to be moved. People want to feel something. People want to learn something about themselves or about the world. So even though The Last of Us is really straightforward, it's, you know, two people traveling across America, right? To maybe like save the world. And yet so much was derived from just those character interactions between Joel and Ellie and the people that they encounter on their adventure and how the two come to trust each other and value each other. It's a really strong story. And then they, they made a sequel to it. It's so weird because like, oh yeah, that was, was that four years ago? What the fuck? That was three and a half? Three years ago, nearly 2020. And The Last of Us itself is 10 years old this year. For some reason, that's easier for me to swallow than how old The Last of Us 2 is. The Last of Us 2, for some reason, feels like it's new still, no new. Oh, it does feel new. It does feel new. It doesn't feel like it's nearly three years old. And maybe it's just the deserve. It seems like Naughty Dog has been subsumed by The Last of Us to the detriment or to the exclusion of anything else that they could be making. That's kind of how it feels right now. Because The Last of Us was their last new IP and that was 10 years ago. And they used to make them way more frequently. They've been a new one every generation. And maybe they're working on a new one, but it seems like, yeah, The Last of Us has become, they're working on a multiplayer mode for two that they've been working on for like years. They did the remaster or the remake actually for the first one because they did the first one, then they did a remaster and now they've done a remake for PS5. And now they're doing the show, which Neil Druckman is directly involved in, like in a major way. To set the stage there, you've got one, a landscape of media that's not great. Most of the time you're getting a bad thing. Second part, it's an IP that was once beloved and is falling apart. And then three, it's an adaptation of a video game. But an adaptation of the video game that people loved, the one that everybody liked. Right. All I'm trying to say is that this is where we're at. And of course, discourse has followed for that being like, great, here we go again. And that's not to even include all of the weird comments about the production of this thing that have existed. It's been a strange litany of comments about video games as a storytelling medium. Their merits compared to like film and television. A lot of very dismissive remarks. A lot of dismissive remarks about video games and other adaptations. It's kind of like 2023. Arcane exists now. And I mean, that's that's like one of many, right? Obviously a varying quality, but like there was Castlevania, cyberpunk edge runners. I mean, Sonic the Hedgehog. Sonic the Hedgehog. Hey, you know. Well, because it seems like at this point we are very much in the era of, yeah, we're going to adapt video games because like the number of Sony ones, like there's a Horizon show, God of War show, a Gears of War show and film, I believe. And they're making the Bioshock TV show movie. Dude, it feels so weird because Bioshock Gears and God of War, they're all things I care about a lot. Like, depending on the. Well, it's all of that era. You know, it's like the late 2000s. That's kind of. I don't think I can take it. It's really horrible. Well, it's interesting because now we're in the era where they're getting the money, right? They're getting the money. But oh, yeah, what? Of course, there was Halo as well. Oh, yeah, there was a Halo show. Everyone has forgotten about it or they don't want to think about it all. It seems now at this point is going to be impossible not to compare the last of us, one of Sony's flagship titles and Halo, Microsoft's flagship title and like the quality of those two shows. That's going to be an inescapable conversation as is, of course, the nature of this adaptation, too. We absolutely should be getting the meme of Homer is Microsoft. Like, why does it mine look like that? Yeah, yeah. It's one fine looking barbecue pit. Why doesn't mine look like that? Well, writers and people who didn't care about Halo. I was just going to say if this is better than Halo. But the thing is that is such an easy bar to pass that I'd be very surprised, especially with the level of blueprint they've got to work with. The relevant question, obviously, with this show is isn't going to be great, which at least based on the initial critical reception seems to be like overwhelmingly positive. You've been hearing good things. Yes, from audiences as well. I've heard nothing but positive things. This seems to be it really is a situation where it seems like all of the stars are lying for something good, right? You got a lot of backing behind it. So there's not going to be any limitations by a way of what you want to achieve technically. Got a lot of great actors in the cast. One of the showrunners made Chernobyl, but then also, you know, one of the showrunners made the Last of Us part two. But he also made the first one. He made the first one too. It's the thing that probably won't be forgotten. Whatever that comes up, the old adage, what have you done for me lately? And that's the truth is what has he done lately in The Last of Us 2? But he's still made and he did work on Uncharted as well. You know, he's got a resume and there's some good stuff on that resume. Well, so that's actually one of the worries a lot of people have is that this show, it may very well take a lot from Last of Us 1, but it's going to be tweaking it until it matches The Last of Us 2 better. Yes, which is funny. That's like the right decision if you want to adapt to both of them, right? If you want to adapt the second one to actually try and logically account for it and make sense of it. But you are going to piss everyone off when you do that. Well, it's just interesting because it's almost like, it's not a retcon, but it's almost like a meta retcon. You know, kind of like a retcon that you all want to apply on a grander level to include the video game. Yeah, people want The Last of Us to be adapted. They don't want to see The Last of Us retold by Neil Druckmann's preferences years or later. That's not what people want. We at EFAP shouldn't be surprised by this take, but if they actually did fix all of the problems in The Last of Us 2 story-wise and bound a new adapted and fixed up Last of Us 1 to match it, it involves Joel getting killed with a golf club. I'm pretty sure we said in our coverage, like, there is a way you could do that. It's going to be hard. It's going to be real fucking hard. It's not the way they did it in the game. No, we've got examples of great heroes getting killed. It's just like the word respect keeps plowing into my mind. It's like, yeah, you got to fucking respect them. You can't do it the way you did it. It's not respect. It's very bad. Lots of different things being said about this already. It's a big old conversation piece because this show isn't just a show. It represents a lot more than that. A little bit of progress in the media landscape. What will this be remembered as? Step forward, a step back, a step to the side. Who will just find out? Ah, HP. I associate them with good things because of House of the Dragon. Wow, I mean, that's... You're not telling me? I can't agree. Well, that's HP on max. How relevant? Oh, so that's John Hanner on the left. Oh my God, he's older. He was in The Mummy, if you guys remember. Do I know you? No, no, no. I've just got one of those faces. He was the funny brother. Oh yeah, you're right. Yeah. Man, that's... The guy on the line is Peter Beech's bureau's big head from Silicon Valley. He's a completely useless appendage, and we all know it. Oh, hey man. That's cool. I'm just having a moment of everything's so old. Yeah. Not bacteria, not viruses, so... Mushrooms. There are some fungi who seek not to kill, but to control. Viruses can make us ill, but fungi can alter our very minds. Fungus starts to direct the ant's behavior, telling it where to go, what to do. Like a puppeteer. First in the middle doesn't seem like a real person. It's like a robot or an android. He's an NPC in the background. He's a host. It keeps its puppet alive by preventing decomposition. Dr. Schoenheister in distress. He's having a bad time. Fungus is kind of surreal, but not in humans. True, fungi cannot survive if its host's internal temperature is over 94 degrees. What if the world were to get slightly warmer? Well, now there is reason to evolve. One gene mutate, cordyceps, astragillus, any one of them could be... That's the one. It is... The Lost of Us deserves a lot of credit for a really creative new type of zombie. Yeah, and I would say this is a good start, too. This is a good start. This is an interesting way of delivering this essentially exposition. So if that happens, will you lose? Oh, you would have thought you would do a funny thing. Do a joke or something, yeah. Let's hope that doesn't happen. That's never gonna happen, yeah. That's time I buy some portabella from the Krogers. What are they gonna choose to do? I don't like the title cards, they're real neat now. They put a lot of effort into them. Gotta love that theme, too. And the music, yeah. But actually, I didn't... They didn't track the composer, though. They broke back the composer... Yeah, there he is. Just thinking about Halo. Oh yeah, because Halo, they butchered it. They didn't like... They brought back the Halo you recognize, the Halo music for that one moment at the end so that you could fucking hate them. Yeah, just discarding everything else. Whereas here, they actually brought back the original composer. They brought back a lot of people. I think Troy Baker is in it. Ashley Johnson as well, in small roles. It's like, that's nice. Steve Downs didn't get anything. Based on the game. PlayStation, we can't have our MCU, but we could corner the market on video games. No, they have a PlayStation studio as MCU logo for their films and stuff. I saw it before Uncharted. It's got, like, Aloy, Ratchet and Clank and stuff in it. Oh, it was a ranked 3. Oh, yeah! That's 10 years. I'm interested. Is this... Are they starting it earlier? They're starting with the game starts, right? No, the game was 2013. Interesting. Game starts the same time as the... Like, the year it came out, so this is earlier. God, this room is so gay. Fields can be gay now with rags. Oh, that's true. Aladdin. Oh, my God, Din Djarin. It's Joel. Din Djarin, my favorite soul character. No, he's from Krypton. He's Joel. No, it's Max Lord. Pedro Pascal really isn't like the top world, isn't he? He's doing all right, I think, yeah. You know, I don't really like pancakes. I know you don't like them. That's for my benefit. Can you get your homework done? Fractions? Still, I'm giving a good listen to that accent. Oh, he's doing it. Yeah, he is. He's putting it on. Is there enough for Uncle Tommy? Oh, Uncle Tommy. So alive, you old fucker. Aw, he loves you. He's dependent on me. Not the same. I'm not splitting his job. I barely want to split it with you. I'll be done by nine. By nine, right? I'll bring back a cake. I promise. I mean, I can tell he's trying, but it mostly sounds like him to me. It does, but maybe he's just not doing a super emphasized one. Your t-shirts inside out. See, this is what I was thinking, like, one of the benefits, I guess, it's again, it's just like, when you're making a video game, especially when you've got a lot of combat, it's like, well, you know, sometimes you have the challenge of how much do we have of no combat versus combat compared to how much time to extend for every minute you spend not doing combat, you're risking it. Whereas in this case, it's like, well, you can have the whole day, right? Instead of starting like right at the outbreak, you have to spend a little bit more time seeing what Joel's, you know, normal life looked like. And yeah, that watch will matter. Oh, yeah. Knife. There's something. It's so weird because I wonder when they were making this, that they were making it with the point of view in mind that everyone knows what's going to happen. They have to go back to the watch number. It's a very successful game. Yeah, like a lot of people know exactly how this goes. Kind of like how if you do Batman's origin on the watch. Oh, they're setting up the, setting up the neighbor. You know, I do really like the last of us. I do like a tier-rich little game. You know what you got? Drink it up. We got a lot of extra here. He's a zombie. Is he feeding in mushrooms? Well, because the idea in the game is that it was like disseminated through food. Yeah, Atkins' diet, Atkins was relatively, they had a popularity around then, didn't they? What, the 2000s? Happy birthday to you. Operation Desert Storm. Oh, veteran. Storm the desert? His brother seems to be harder on the accent than he is. And yeah, 26th of September, that was outbreak day. This is the day. Yeah. I thought they lived in Dallas. Did they live in Austin? I mean, it doesn't, you know, it's not a big deal. It's just, because yeah, we all been in much more time with here, I guess, than, I mean, you got 10 episodes, right? I think that's a good decision. Yeah, I think it's a really good decision. I don't see how it could be a bad one. I guess that hair's coming in handy. It's like little pillows on the sides of your head there. I'm just waiting for the Shaun of the Dead style. Like someone falls over. Thanks for somebody to talk often. Yeah. Reports today of many people falling over. Well, it's going to be hard to talk Shaun of the Dead's montage. Just hard to talk Shaun of the Dead's fucking great movie. Yeah. Well, cat things. That makes me think of Simpsons. That cat, I think they have a clock. Yeah. I wonder if all those clocks on the wall are correct. It must be madness staring out on the entire engine. The fire engine is to put out the fires on the mushrooms. Well, and swat him there. They're called fire trucks, but they dispense water. Makes no fucking sense. Humans are stupid. Apparently they made up a whole language just for this scene. Things don't seem right. I don't like that though. The clock becomes clearer when the line comes down. Line goes down. Yeah. Doesn't make it feel so bad about closing. I'm worried about that old lady. Is everything on the news? No, it's all shit. Like always. People out there need to get right with Jesus. Oh, God. I was thinking we'd make some cookies. Chocolate chip. Raisin. Oh, no one likes those old ladies. No one likes those. Why? Why? Why? Every raisin you bought could have been a chocolate chip purchased. You fool. Oh, good. The raisin cookies no one will eat are done. She'll eat one of them. Grandma could eat them. Grandma, that's the only thing she she only eats raisin cookies. Everyone starts to like raisins when they get old. That's just how it works. Because they feel like they are turning into raisins. They become catapults. Hey, Mrs. Adler, could I borrow this? That's creepy. That was nice and creepy. I should go. You sure? Yeah. Well, you're checking some cookies. If you give someone raisin cookies, you're essentially saying, here, you throw these away. Here, I don't like you. Back to normal, I guess. Oh, Doggo don't trust you. Doggo's can sense bullshit. He's like, Grandma, you're not grandma. The other thing, you're making a show like this. It's always tempting to just how will you portray this world slowly showing signs of falling apart? It's weird to see jets, but, well, I guess the air is where they'd be. It's 10. Oh, no. Gave us the wrong size for the headers. Where's the cake? I'll get this one tomorrow. Thanks it for you. Did you? What? I don't hear anything. Thank you. This scene is really beat-for-beat. It's even got identical dialogue in a lot of places. Well, that's the thing. It feels weird, but it's true, I guess, to say they're doing well. It's like, yeah, you're following the guy. I think they're doing well. Yeah, I think they're doing well. Here. What's this? Your birthday? Thanks it for you. You kept complaining about your broken watch. So I figured, you know, you like it? I think this is, it's nice, but I... I think it's stuck. It's not... What? No, no, no, no. Oh, ha, ha. Did you? What? I don't hear anything. I was lame. You're a lame. Yeah, I know. Where did you get the money for this? Drugs. I sell hardcore drugs. Where'd you get the money for this? Drugs. I sell hardcore drugs. It's better when I do. Oh, good. Let me start helping out with the mortgage, then. Yeah, you wish. It was only $20, which I stole from you. Besides, it's the thought that counts. And you were never going to do it for yourself, so... Yeah, so far I'm digging it. I want to see what happens next. Well, that's the thing, right? If none of us knew anything and we watched this with zero context, that opening scene has already set the stage, isn't it? Yeah. I'm a fan of the creepy granny in the... Because he said if you don't get me out today, you won't be able to get me out at all, assuming they don't let people out on Saturdays and Sundays? Just this is off on weekends. I actually don't know. I was just curious. I don't either. I didn't know that that's a thing. I wonder if we're gonna... No, we're not. Okay, so, yeah. This is basically where... Closer to where the... This is where everything goes wrong. The game began with that scene, basically. And this is, yeah. Oh, no, aliens. Interesting, too, because this game came out around about the craze for the zombie stuff, right? The zombie era of media. And that was like walking dead was huge. They should be watching... Would they be watching Paul W.S. Anderson's Resident Evil series? I think the first one was out by then, right? Yeah. I'm sorry. That was the dog's version of Stupid Woman. Come back. Well, they said to stay indoors. The dog doesn't want to go home. You know something's up. Oh, is she gonna go inspect a bit? You can add that in. Why not? A little unsettling. That's really unsettling. The door open like that, yeah. I'm half-expecting like grandma's just staring at the wall in one of these rooms or something. Yeah, something weird. That empty wheelchair has been in two shots pretty deliberately right now. Did she be taking and getting a cell phone and calling dad? I feel like this would be enough to call him, yeah. She was asleep when he left, so she should be panicking a bit. Yeah. It was 2003, though. She might actually... Did she have a phone? Oh boy. Was there any way... Oh, okay. Yeah, I definitely would have been closing doors myself. Why would you drop that? Why would you drop that? You fool! It just saved your life. Keep it. Is he worried about the blood on it or what? We gotta go, sir. He's listening to me. It's not just the Adlers. We're gonna be brave and we're gonna get out of this. Let's go. Come on. You locked your doors now! Come on, come on. Get in. You just killed Brandy, Adler? Three fish. She was the red-edatus. You was crazy. Ed, buddy. We don't know. They're saying it's a virus. It's a kind of parasite. It's a different terrorist? We don't know. That'd be a fair question in 2003. Of course not. Yep. Dane, it's mostly people in the city. I went into the city. We have to go a lot, right? We're fine, trust me. Listen, lady. We'll just have to wing it. Hopefully we're okay, all right? Whether we got it or not, we gotta go. Oh, thank... This is what I mean. It's like, yeah, there are a lot of bits that hit one. So, like, just... Keep driving, Tommy. Keep driving. Yeah. That's important for Joel's character. Yeah, it is. Someone else will come along. By the way, just this is already so much more work for him to do than in Mandalorian. Absolutely. He didn't do shit in Mandalorian. Mando is nobody. They're riding a little low. They're very low. This is bad. Everyone and their mother had the same damn idea. The sequence looking from the back seat. Wow. It's just like in the game. Turn here. Turn here. Come on, people. Move. What are they running from? Get us out of here. I'm trying. Yeah. Even I remember that. Yeah, missed pot. I can't drive through them. Are you serious? Just keep going. We can't stop here, Tommy. I can't fucking drive through them, Joel. They're back up there. They're behind me, too. There. They're there. Hold on. Go. Wait, what? Get her out of here, Joel. Go. Surely you can go around, right? You can just go around, yeah. We can't just go around. Yeah, you can just go around. Can you can just go around. So close to the wall, he can't get over? That is incredibly inconvenient. And I feel like you could, yeah, I feel like you could go. You could go. We're in the games. They're in the games. Yeah, you can crawl over. If you're this desperate, you would absolutely jump over the trunk of a police car. Oh, geez. Close doors. Close doors. Close the door. I guess he was really close. Still, because right now you don't even know if these things are smart enough to follow you through doors. Sir. We are not safe. Yeah, it's amazing that he didn't kill you. Yeah. It's actually fucking miraculous that you are not dead. You're okay. You're okay. Move your hand, baby. Move your hand. That's about everything I would expected them to do. Yep. I would not have expected them to deviate from that. Well, I mean. Really? And tell the same story. It's instrumental. This is after Godzilla. I was going to say it was Boston in King of the Monsters, wasn't it? I think so. Got nuked and then they totally pretended that didn't happen. We don't want you falling out of the chair. What's your name? How did you get this? What if I told you that after we gave you some medicine, we're going to find you your favorite food to eat? Would you like that? It's just a little needle. You're safe. I think they cut to a harsh fire after he's saying that on purpose. So did Joel say in this he was 30 something? Pull the 20 again? Well, because in the game he's about 50. So it's probably, you know, about matches or like 55 something like that. He's fairly old. No surprise here. Yep. He was infected. Yeah, because it showed red on the little detective thing in it. Yeah. This isn't in the game. Dream we're going to be meeting tests pretty soon. Yeah, I'm actually curious what we are going to see in total first episode. In what, like this episode? Yeah, because hour and a half. My guess would be that we're going to get basically Joel and Ellie meeting. And then like episode two, I imagine is them leaving Boston. I reckon season ends with the end of the game. I think so. That would be, which I guess is interesting. That seems like a safe bet. How long can you keep it going? I suppose is the interesting question. Because yeah, we've got the we've got two games, you know, so. One is there's a lot of things that happen in the game that you can extend. That's true. Well, it's part of kind of, I guess what's going to be interesting is an adaptation is like, I imagine that we're going to get a lot of things extended. Man, that's you execute them. There's nothing else we can do. I guess leaving quarantine zones is a huge it is. Well, yeah, if you leave and then sneak back in and you could destroy everything. If you snuck out and sneak back in. Yeah. I wonder if the first punishment should be exile. Well, then you just. Well, I think if you knew that then they might come back in. Right. If they think that's what I'm saying. First punishment, if they are exiled and come back, then maybe death. I guess the thing is, is that maybe they don't want to take any chances. Yes. So, ah, well, it's all I didn't expect you to count. I could imagine they could be upset here and there because of family members making mistakes, you know, bartering, bring it back. It's pronounced bataring. Bartaring, bartering, like tartar sauce. I don't know where he gets from. I just know they're real. Supposedly only makes two things. Pills and bullets. The more you shoot people, the harder it is to sleep, I guess. Oh, you guess. I need the bag back. That's, I like that as a touch. That even plastic bags. Need the bag back. Yeah. Yeah. I would like that back. Pour them on that. Stay up the streets for the next few nights. Fucking fireflies been blown shit up all week. Guys are jumping and tired. What was he getting for that? Was it? Um, he got food credits, I think, because remember, that was in the game, right? Like the food stamps or tokens, tickets, something like that. It's not like I planned on ripping you off. How about we just let it go? Guys fucked you up. You're so disciplined. What about your guy? I give you my word that he won't hurt you. I'll tell him that I got jumped by some guys. He is saying everything she should say. He wants to survive this encounter. Yep. Yeah, Christ. Ooh, or what? Man, lucky that wasn't you. Well, so don't breathe that. This would be the fireflies, right? Must be, yeah. Which is incredibly coincidental. He's going to let it go anyway, I guess. Sounds like it. Wait, all of them are like knocked out, except two, okay. Oh, wow, that's lucky. I don't even know where the other guy went. I was going to say the main dude, I guess he ran off. I'm sure Robert ran off, right? Maybe or he's in the corner. Well, because remember, the deciding thing was that Robert stole their guns. Yeah, sold them to the fireflies. You know a change like how long Tess will be in this story? That's something that really, to me, depends on how you handle it. It's not like an outright wrong to me. It's going to be dependent on what they do. Count slowly and clearly from one to ten. One, two, three, four. Slowly and clearly. One, you. State your name. Slowly. Veronica. Same as yesterday. Let me out or you're going to pay, motherfuckers. Ellie in the last of us one is just so goshed on likable. Nothing. Is there any chance it's coming in at night? You're sleeping, you miss it? When I'm sleeping, Gabriella lessons on my son. The smart one, not the other one, God bless him. If Tommy responded, we'd know. It hasn't been that long. It's been three weeks. It's never taken me more than a day to respond. Show me where the tower is. Joel, it's in Wyoming. There are worse things than infected out there. The elephorneums. But you're sure Tommy's okay. It's the Cody Tower. Q bar four. But I don't know exactly what. Probably listen to his explanation. I was actually about to say, dude, you want, he's going to have the best information out of anybody, right? You're going to let him talk and explain and throw detail where he thinks you need to be good. That little circle he's made on the map, that is incredibly important down to the last little scratch. Because you might say it's probably here. But if not, you might want to check over here. Where there, you know. Yeah, Wyoming's a fucking long way. I guess he's trying to figure out where word is taken. God, it's going to be a fun trip. Doles the pain. I got jumped by a couple guys. You're lying. Come on, you know these guys born after the outbreak. Never learned how to argue. They start swinging. I need the battery test. Sure, it's no good without one. And if I don't get to Tommy soon, he's going to die out there. Okay, fuck it. We got our money back and the battery. All this for such a mundane item. No, I promised Robert that he wouldn't hurt him. Ain't no mundane items in this world. That's the idea. So let's go hunt that motherfucker down. Sure, because I just had to, I had to replace my car battery about a week or, about a week ago. Just walked in, bought one, walked out with it. Simple as. But now it's like we're potentially killing over, having to work in car battery or imagine a charger. Or a McDonald's Happy Meal. Or a McDonald's Happy Meal. That's true. Girl or boy toy doesn't fucking matter. Marlene. We've already lost four people. And we're, what's the point of this? One of them. Now see, I don't think I'd be putting the logo up on the wall. And why do you have a gray lock to the room? And the guys you have guarding her won't tell me shit. Tell them to follow fucking orders. You two, go to Southeast three now. That'll quell the inquisitiveness. And the fireflies being fed or anywhere. Rebellion takes time for five or 20 years and you get nowhere you're not. Why do we spray paint? Why do we do that? I can understand putting it in random places as a form of like we're here. We're moving things. But in your actual HQ. That'd be the cure, yeah. I wonder if we're gonna get much like PR because in the game like the fireflies get basically wiped out moving west. Would make sense to retcon just how much we got to learn about them if we're going to be going with the last story line. Also, they've changed stuff with Tommy because there was no like big urgent thing with Tommy. It was just go find him. He can help you out. And even it's such a tough sell. You want us to the idea that you really want to make like endear us to Joel and everything and then try and make it to the end. He was wrong in his decision. I don't know what they're going to do. I'm very curious. I don't know either. Is that how the fireflies recruit? Tell you to seek the shadow. I mean it cost us a couple of cards but we got him. I'm not sure why they didn't just have it like because with the big explosion and everything it's like it was just before it was just Tess comes back she's injured let's go get Robert. So Veronica, how you feeling? The same. A little bit down. Where are you gonna go? Back to Federer military school? They put me there when I was a baby. It's for orphans. I did. You my fucking mom or something? And look like your mom. I'm the leader of the fireflies in the Boston QZ. Why would you terrorist don't be with Federer? Terrorist? Was Riley a terrorist? Let's see we're running out of time to do our assumed action set piece for the Robert stuff right? Ah well I guess this will be it right. Hey look they like getting down, taking off the backpack like in the video game. I think they based in the video game off real life though. Very true real life pranking, real life did happen before video games if you remember. Sometimes I won direct, sometimes I won it. It is disgusting how real life is just copied by video games. But that's the one. I think they'll go for the stealthy approach. Oh my god it's annihilation. Yeah I remember that movie. He wasn't down here last time. We need to keep him down after you. Ah well. I don't do the spores anymore. No spores in this show. Oh is that what cover up actor's faces? These are, you could argue that would be a reason is it makes things less complicated for them storytelling wise I guess. That's it though. Yeah there's less to worry about. I just, I don't know that that's a reason to stop doing it. I don't know the spores was kind of an interesting thing to have. Yeah it's interesting. There will be consequences obviously like. They have to be. You smell that? Asbestos? Gum powder, uh oh. Ooh. That's a wild bit right? Is it? I was trying to spot the face. The battery's no good. Oh. He still tried to sell it. I say we're really deviating from the game. Really we're not in a wider context but we are with how closely they were doing it before. Well yeah because this is totally different. Oh well yeah because she got shot yeah. Marlene? The war must be going pretty shitty for you to be buying from scumbags like him. Yeah it kind of has been. She's standing there with a bullet hole like it's nothing great. Can you just not be a barbarian please? I mean I'd want my knife back but yeah it's probably not with what's going on right now. It's there, it's there like yeah I'll get it later you know. It's our business to know things. To know things. You're the cause of it you turned my own brother against me. Okay Joel. I wonder if we're gonna get any flashbacks of like Joel and Tommy because Tommy is not, he was not happy about those experiences that he had. Yeah. Let me take her. We don't smuggle people. Sorry. I can do it. Kim you don't have a fucking ear on your fucking head could you please? Oh I really didn't mean, I really didn't know she meant literally. I thought she was saying that like you're an idiot. And I know what you're both capable of. What are you giving them? What are they capable of? You get her there safely. I'm gonna give you what you need. Not just a battery. The whole thing. Fueled up truck. Gun supplies all of it. Um. I swear. Yeah sorry. That's a lot of stuff. Is it really worth the price? Because they could just go on a resource adventure themselves right? Uh they could but I guess there's still a lot of stuff out there. What I'm saying is like if you go and deliver her and come back we'll get you a truck and guns and some supplies and stuff and it's like we could probably get that across like during delivering her. Probably. Well because the original thing was Robert sold them the guns and so it's like well I bought the guns for her in square so you know like. Yeah. I would have played more into the fact that it's obvious that this girl is fucked if you don't do this. But before we hand her over they give us everything that we want. If not we kill her there and then. Deal. Really? Not fast. Don't fuck this up. That's that's me to this show by the way. Yeah. Yeah same here because it just there have been a few instances where the deviation is like that's like neutral and then there are parts where it's good and then there are parts where it's like seems like a worse choice. That just made you more suspicious all the way. Oh yeah. That made you more suspicious idiot. Because remember nobody here knows who you are or that. There's nobody. Yeah nobody's looking for you. You're just a girl. No you're just a random person. Give us a minute all right. I'm guessing that because I guess we're gonna have to wait until. Can I just open the door if you wanted? She can hear them too. Who's Bill Cast as? Who's Cast? Uh it's Nick Offerman I think. That could work out. Let's hope. That could be really cool. Yeah. If this is important and she just randomly stumbled over it and it's annoying when that happens. Oh come on you knew she hid all that right? A lot of this dialogue is one to one. What are you doing? Killing time. What are you doing? Killing time. What am I supposed to do? I'm sure you'll figure that out. Well what am I supposed to do? I'm sure you will figure that out. So what's the deal with you anyway? You some kind of big wigs daughter or something? Something like that. Oh the radio came on when you're sleeping. I kept saying like wake me up before you go go. 80s means struggle. Code broken. This could be something specific we don't know. Time to go. Wonder if it actually would have been a good idea to go at night in that case. Yes. Because there's a curfew because of the firefly stuff. So they went at night instead of during the day while there's like remember how the guy said earlier they'd be jumpy. They'll be I guess they've got this pasted way. They'll go out at night because of the fireflies. It makes me think it could be fun for conversation right like what makes more sense because of course you have the cover of darkness but you also have they're on high alert so. Yeah it depends on where the in the day anyway right they'll be all over the place. Potentially yeah it depends on where you're going specifically and where the ends and outs are. You got no good choices really. Because once you're outside the wall darkness is almost certainly best. Yes and of course now it becomes clear like the reason they showed us those people getting hanged is that raises the stakes for this. Bianchi do you want to be really sparing with that helicopter? Yeah fuel for that must be precious. Yeah that's the thing fuel for helicopter is precious being able to go like a helicopter is one of the most valuable things you could possibly have. Oh I mean right after big firefly attack you know. I suppose that's the angle yeah but still. Still though like are you just like looking randomly with a with a light to literally using it just to fly over and use a spotlight. That is a huge waste of something so very valuable. Oh hey guys. Oh is he peeing? Oh it's not the friend is it? Uh man uh I was wondering if that we're gonna have this be the ending actually. Oh you're fucking mine. We can fix this. Oh you didn't need to show it I got it. Yeah I got it. He pulls that trigger once and a gunshot happens. And he would totally have pulled. Absolutely. This is also an interesting reaction from her there that first one that one's final. Damn don't like hurt your hand you'll need that. The gun take the gun. Why didn't they have the conversation where like they thought that Marlene set them up they thought that they were like getting put in a shit situation. They would be thinking that surely right. There'd be so much I mean maybe we're gonna get it. Next episode next episode yeah. We have to have a come to Jesus meeting yeah at the beginning of next episode. Yeah lots of stuff to be talked about. Holy that's the end what else we got. Man I would grab more if I could off that guy. So right after he left he got a radio message then. From Tommy I guess or to signify something about it. Well that sounds like it is. Oh there's the buildings. Well then. Well that wasn't bad at all. I would say that he's the rank of good. I would say it's good. It's just that there are some minor things where it's like just minor little like hmm. Yeah I need some tweaks. Yeah but not to think it's tweaks. Like the cause really strong which should be right. Yeah I'd agree. I think this is definitely good. Cause like the burst shot that takes out his original daughter I'm pretty sure that's just exactly how it is in the game and I think I even I'm even like one of the people is like I don't know how you I don't know how it's possible for you to miss but all right. You remember Frank does he get more wounded in the in the game version than in this. He's less wounded in the game version. I don't think he even gets hit. So much of this is like beat for beat very similar. But then there are a few parts where it's a little bit. If it turns out to be beat for beat almost throughout not not changing like this is strictly a hypothetical I don't think this is going to happen but if they were to do it one to one and only changing stuff for like pragmatic reasons for adaptation no reason why this wouldn't be very popular sort of got a built-in audience and then it would finally prove like maybe you should stick the source when you adapt the games. Maybe you should respect the one you're adapting has merit. Because it's it's funny to me that this might get quite a bit of hatred because of the current zeitgeist around the IP but at the same time this could be the thing we need to finally prove that a video game adaptations the only thing that was stopping it is paying a fucking attention to the original. Well yeah because in this case in this case like as we saw during the opening sequence a lot of it was just take the same material but expand it don't really change it add new information sure add new scenes but like keep the the the core stuff the same because it's the same right like Joel's got the same setup in terms of what his character arc is going to be Ellie's probably going to have the same stuff too right and I imagine it's going to be yeah because Ellie consists of everybody right like Bill's going to have probably more stuff with uh with his partner Frank and then you'll probably have more for Tommy maybe Maria as well like it just seems like if this is any indication of the way that they're going to adapt it it will just be keep basically the same beats but expand them and tweak them in a little bit which compared to the likes of Halo which like radically changes the story is radically different. Well it annihilates it just it doesn't even seem like Halo at all. Well and it's why we're highlighting the spores right it's not because I love the spores and I wish the spores were here as a fan of spores it's that if you don't have spores there's a couple of things you're going to have to change in the story now. It's items of value it's things you can go places you might not be able to go items you need to have it's a sense of tension. I will say in that in this the only thing to me that seemed like noticeably different and that it will probably have major implications is seemingly the stuff with Tommy because like in the game all it was was like Tommy is off you know in like he's in Jackson he's not with like the Fireflies anymore he's not with Joel anymore you got to go find Tommy because he can help you link up with the Fireflies because of his connections like that was it whereas it seems they've got more of like a pressing Tommy is in trouble maybe which makes me wonder is it not just going to be that they get to Jackson and everything's really chill and then you know they have their little moment together. My guess is that they're setting something up as like a different plot point but I mean otherwise it's pretty pretty similar and if we didn't have any context if we were to be watching this just as a tv show I imagine right now we'd be talking about well this this you know Joel's the character he seems to be like he's he's hardened as a result of what happened with his daughter and that uh this new girl I I wonder how much I'm going to be basing it off what I know versus what I'm given would I have concluded from this one episode that this is clear we're going to be repeating do I think they've set enough groundwork to be like oh look he's got a bad relationship with this girl because he doesn't want to even risk getting close to it or am I being a bit harsh and I should wait for at least another episode before we've set that foundation it's one episode and we only spent half of it in our uh like they belly well they met each other for like five minutes yeah yeah I get what you mean because like I'm going to be it's very hard for me not to view this without always constantly like drawing my attention yeah it's tough like I gotta I gotta really separate them out as uh they are separate I guess that would be that would be the thing to clarify everything where it's like it's different I'm not like thinking that it's bad or anything I'm more just like I'm curious yeah like the tommy thing like that could be that could be a whole episode the spores it's not necessarily bad well I see what happens like you know even something that seemingly way less consequential which is just like the the whole thing with the guns versus them getting the battery and the supplies to go find tommy yeah it's just different like whether or not it's it's a better or worse change I think I think the only things would be like man that it was the same guy that you bumped into like out there when in the game it was just two random soldiers it's like that's very coincidental though I guess it's pretty inconsequential it didn't seem to make much of a difference right like there's a couple of coincidences of like I would call them mid they are mid coincidences in terms of impact yes some of these yeah they're not they don't destroy anything but they're not exactly small this is they wouldn't be cool well and I guess it's really interesting because it's like the game didn't have those so like you changed it and kind of added coincidences where they didn't really exist in the game yeah and part of the trouble is that I guess we need to wait a little longer before we can be definitive because it might be an aid of something we don't know yet in terms of what story they want to tell or there's more information that we'll get to contextualize some of these things better who knows yeah yeah there's not much to there's not much to be critical of really by way of like what's happening with the plot because we barely started yet and otherwise in terms of character I feel like you know like with each scene we've gotten a pretty good read of every person you know like by the end of this episode this might be the very first proper archetype of what people want when you adapt from a game to a tv show um and yeah kind of crazy right it's like oh surely arcane is like no no arcane arcane's not the same thing it's it's like a really great tv show that uh is inspired by legal legends this is practically telling the same story but again yes it's it's more of a direct adaptation because when you run the game but it's like and hey we compared to the other Naughty Dog thing Uncharted's very different it has Nate and it has Sully but doesn't have Elena doesn't have the same El Dorado like Central doesn't have the same villains doesn't have the same dynamics or interactions at all it's it's very different whereas in this case it's the same plot it's just like minor changes and variations and there's not a lot of video game adaptations that'll like that that are directly doing mortal combat was not really directly like pulling any story from any mortal combat game kind of pulled bits and pieces and of course Halo was like not even fucking close like totally different well that's kind of the thing right you'd be like they should theoretically be four results ones that are the unfaithful but you know well executed so yeah arcane unfaithful and badly executed halo faithful and badly executed is that have we got one for that i i don't think we've got one for that there were not many faithful video game adaptations they just aren't um at least they haven't been for a while they just yeah that's the thing that's the that's the reality we've been in for so long they just don't care when you adapt someone like Resident Evil it's like what do i take it zombies mansion yeah that'll do yeah and then of course it's because when i'm thinking about other examples it's like Castlevania is kind of like its own thing like i don't think that one was retelling it was kind of like a it pulled characters right but different scenarios and then edge runners is like adjacent it's like set in the same universe but it's not an adaptation of 277 what about that pac-man movie with Adam Sandler oh pixels yeah everyone loved that right that's right they did everyone did love that one yeah and then of course you have this other ones i'm getting as well then you'd have faithful and good and that is what i would rate this right now well this episode for sure you know what's crazy is that there are people who if they loved last of us enough can be like this fucking shit isn't faithful have you seen how much they fucked it i'd be like yeah see everyone's gonna draw a line differently like i guess the thing is i feel like i've got my references and it's like there are a lot of lines that are just like identical your watch is broken your watch is broken you mumble in your sleep you mumble in your sleep um one it really depends on how you do it right because like if it was how much does it stay one to one it's like well okay it doesn't in a lot of ways but like this the spirit is absolutely we know exactly what we're getting from this it's gonna be what the point of the game is you're gonna be okay all right baby baby maybe listen to me i gotta get you off come on baby please i know baby i know i know baby no i know i know i know i know i know i know i know tell me help me the fact that they were even trying to like mirror the vibe or the atmosphere of specific moments in the game with the framing right like in the car where it's very much because i mean they did the same thing right in the game sarah is the pov character in the uh in the opening and then it kind of transitions gradually over to joe and they did the same thing to and like it feels very deliberate it's weird to see that kind of thing with the comments that came out before this thing you released what are you what are you thinking of ones about storytelling in video games you got you got a vibe oh i guess yeah right it's like why were you like it it seems maybe that maybe that's the new drachman influence of trying to like inject this stuff from the game that he worked on it may be i'm not sure it's i mean it's always gonna be hard to say right it could just be the man was saying some stuff that didn't translate well slash he wasn't explaining himself too well just take for example the whole like oh you can reset a whole thing because it's a video game and that'll ruin the your investment blah blah blah you could imagine if he was given like an hour to explain entirely what he means he could be like a lot of the time in cutscenes we do it because it's really hard to have something bombastic or significant drama happen and then like reset because you died or you didn't press the switch or you didn't do so we usually cordon those big moments off to cut scenes so that they are like that's one of the many reasons why that might happen so you can't fuck it up and you're further you are permanently progressed you don't see that twice you don't see something like his daughter dying twice because you didn't kill enough guys at one point that's done and then it could be like and that's what we're doing in the tv show now it's going to be every moment is one you see once and so we can further focus on like that aspect that gaming does really well but i'm saying this is if it's even close to something he might think i don't know i'm just going from the fact that i've seen this and i'm like oh you clearly respect the game that it's it's hard not to get the sense that there is respect being paid to the game and like even even when we're seeing so far it is kind of weird right the comments but then again a lot of his comments were like this is the greatest story ever told in video games which like calm down but but still i'm fine with his favorite but greatest it's a bit much well let's put it this way it's a lot better that he doesn't seem to have contempt for the yes even if his comments about the industry in the medium as a whole have been very bizarre like it seems like a lot of it has been falling over the games and i guess the fact that you've got like some involvement from like naughty dog you know people does that um i guess all i would say is like after that first episode it's like yeah you know yeah like that's well so what are the talking points like i think that all the acting is uh fine to good um i'm not sure i've been blown away yet i'm hoping i will be when we get to the hardest you know it'd be nice if there's a performance in here that makes me go like holy fuck that was amazing well i mean we got a lot of a lot of really crazy moments right like yeah like ellie against david the the cannibals like that scene yeah we got a lot of stuff as well like there's yeah and of course the ending there's uh there's a lot of stuff that that could be like really uh like really showcasing production value it it feels like a movie obviously that's we are in that era yeah tv shows looking like films um this one's got a lot of money behind it but more so than halo which it oftentimes felt cheap this one felt like super duper cohesive like there was never a point where i'm like man i feel like you're on a set yeah i never got those moments at all it all felt there's a lot of cool cinematography choices again it's like there's a clear dedication to like realizing something here so that's a good sign definitely shot with care um oh yeah so i'm i'm really curious to see more and i guess something that i i would like to actually give them props for is like bringing back the original composer is really cool um bringing back some of the actors from the games either to play the same character or to appear in some other capacity is really cool because like a few people from the games are going to be in the show not playing the same characters obviously likely to do with druckman's connection as well that would have facilitated a lot of that i'd imagine listen well it's just last was too terrible but if this is worth complimenting we can't be lying about it like that's just well i mean if this show is really great he deserves credit for that because he is like a major he co-wrote the show like it's honestly directed a few episodes so the thing about it is like if it were as good as it currently is when there's one episode for like nine out of ten episodes and then the tenth one they change everything to match last was that is gonna piss me off so hard oh yeah hopefully they they're not gonna be doing that i don't know what they're gonna be doing i don't know what they're up to you know that's kind of hard i suppose that the reality is if they maintain this this quality it's like oh you've you've done a good job um i don't know if you've done as incredible it's hard to say right like um because it's not done yet we're not we're not up to a lot of the big payoffs um no and i guess we don't know this may very well be the most faithful episode for all we know yeah i suppose the interesting thing will be like almost sitting there wondering because my impression would be episode two ends with test dying and then you know them setting off something that i know for sure is that they're gonna do way more with bill and uh his partner like that's going to be a much bigger uh thing than just like that which kind of expanded everywhere there is room to expand but then there's also the question of how much do i want to see like do i need to see what joel and tommy got up to during those intervening 20 years well how long are these episodes gonna be i'm assuming this is an abnormal length i presume that uh i presume that they're gonna be like an hour roughly yeah i would assume well i wouldn't have been surprised it was like 45 minutes but i guess we're gonna be uh you're right so sometimes they're chongas episodes seriously though if they stay the course of this first episode there's no nothing stopping them from being popular i don't think i don't i think so this is definitely the beginning of what could be a very good you know a good track to be on yes i agree that was a good premiere definitely a good start we uh give a thumbs up and well it's up i guess thumbs up even consider the thumbs upwards uh we will likely continue to watch them uh i think so yeah i'd like to watch it whether or not you guys would like to see more of this sort of thing will you just watch there let us know in that comment section below that's right yeah other than that that's the last of us tv show episode one good one interesting yeah okay bye good bye everybody why'd you bring me hello and welcome once again to the last of us television show uh curiosity of the whole world of whether or not it's going to be any good everybody's keeping their eye on it as a video game adaptation as a fun tv show as a thing in general and we're here to offer our perspective here and there first episode like i said seems to have gone over relatively well with uh with the people of the world and a lot of people said it's up to episode two now to see if if that was a fluke or if there's going to be a pattern emerging as well as comparisons to how the game does it lots of thoughts on you know whether or not they'll be taking dialogue or scenes we talked about our lack of spores is going to change things i've heard about a change they've made to how the monsters work or rather the enemies work and something that curious how it manifests in this as well as um whether or not bigger changes are coming like are we going to see tommy earlier the drama is going to be involved with him and what's going to happen to tess because the game has set out quite a specific path i think so far that we've had good things to imply from the dialogue and performances the production values and the faithfulness so i think we're in a good spot that's what i reckon what do you guys so far so far yeah after that first episode i thought that was pretty solid yeah i thought it was pretty good too i'm curious to see what they do next there's plenty of things they could get wrong though hopefully they won't shoot themselves in the foot here we've tried to highlight uh little little pieces of dialogue i think are better than others that imply something going on one of the ones i caught i meant to praise was um when he's talking to the uh the radio guy and he's like show me where the tower is and the guy's like all this open country there are worse things than infected out there are raiders there are slavers the crazy idea there's all kinds of horrible things out there bill then says to him but you're sure tommy's okay and then uh the guy just looks at him and then just starts explaining where he needs to go it's uh it's the kodi tower i thought it was neat in terms of like you're not gonna stop if tommy's not safe and i can't tell you he is so may as well cut to the chase i'm just gonna give you the information you need like uh interactions like that i quite like yeah yeah and there were a few of those in the first episode it's expeditious and character buildy and uh yeah well i guess uh without further ado let's see how this series continues hbio oh no the quarter step zombies have made a civilization oh my god is this all right so this could be either before or after the uh no this is two days before the outbreak oh my god it originates in jakarta or maybe i believe in the game it originates in uh it it was like indonesia or south america i can't quite remember because it was food well so is it like a simultaneous all of food on earth or how does it work i think it was food from a particular location that got spread out to a bunch of different places i'm not i don't quite remember what it was from the game it wasn't detected fast enough to stop yes yes something like that indonesia indonesia that fungy man it'll get you you know what it's fine should take me i didn't think we were gonna get any more uh pre-apocalypse stuff yeah i'm actually surprised at doing this you are expert in cordyceps yes no no no i i mean no we have terrible mistakes kind of ecology not my call if i have to deal with fungus things have gone horribly wrong i know me some mushrooms it's gonna be like they show her a sample she's like oh we're fucked yeah don't tell her the answers yeah quit women's explaining to her oh there is a fungus oh i guess this is a nice companion piece for the first episodes opening scene in the so if that happens we lose yeah i would get more of these it would be a lot of good setups to be curious if we get one of these per episode of the world falling apart i can kind of see that as a pattern now yeah i could be neat and maybe you keep changing country as well and maybe we get to see different people maybe we see what happened with bill you know also if you feel sick please leave it's like oh great thanks oh my see what i see what is the age right for the show i can't remember how uh how violent they've been as well violent hasn't been hasn't been really violent how you doing there people oh no so who done did the bite did you dug a bite i thought you said you're dead did not bite that is not my talk gross it's been shot in the forehead so it dead as fuck right i didn't know if that was what that is exactly it's the implication under this thing attacked bulges maybe and they shot in the head yeah oh yum spaghetti oh careful don't breathe that this is an ugly room looks like a room gold man but might have turtle look at him he's killed so oh yeah but yeah i guess it considers we don't have a patient zero yeah oh it's a bit late for that oh shit just bob the whole place yeah what a mushroom is going to do against the power of nukes power of the atom any problem is we don't do so well against nukes either he's like she's just basically like we lost game over like the first clip says so was the only transmission being bit well i think it's the implication of that scene is that it's already spread in the food now because she would have been working with it because that was how it spread around the world was food but yeah the question is of course how did she get it it's like presumably a bite and where did who bit her is like don't even know we can't even trace how they may have gotten it whoever bit her because obviously there would have been a jump an evolution or maybe even through species but i'm assuming the point the show is making is we can't even trace that yeah you guys ever see contagion yes that film you know it's dealing with the pandemic the process of it i think it became really popular when covid shot off actually like again numbers rose right i think that film ends with uh showing how it all started and it's like a bat eating um something somewhere and then like a pig eating something somewhere like it's just it's just you know unfortunate circumstances of cross just that and the other back to modern times it's a flutter by maybe this is a dream oh you have shitty dreams yes if you live in a world of mushroom people running around you dream about mushroom people maybe mushroom places this is the episode new dropman directed oh my oh morning oh yeah i guess they'd have issues with it let's do it do i look like i'm infected show us your arm i'm surprised they let her go to sleep to be honest yeah it's not getting any worse is it she'd locked me up and had her guys test me every day to see if i was getting sick test you how i have to pee oh for a second there i thought she meant the test involved peeing i think what really impressed them was the fact that i didn't turn into a fucking monster well infection's a little more complicated than that love like yeah you could be carrying it right now yep there's not gonna be anything bad in here just you oh funny okay maybe a hairline it'll heal fast she made it through the fucking night it doesn't matter it's gonna happen sooner or later we sneak her back into the qz we find a different way to get the battery this is our best shot i'm gonna scan her and no killer well better than than us you need to stop talking about this kid like she's got some kind of life in front of her yeah it's kind of complicated exactly what they would talk about this is super unprecedented for them and nobody's guiding them on this it's just like she's gonna die i don't know why are you so important to my loom don't lie to me or we'll take you back me back you don't get your battery you heard that then you must have heard that he wants to shoot you i ain't denying it like you're an adult okay they're working on a cure we've heard this a million times vaccines miracle cures none of it works ever fuck you man i didn't ask for this you and me both we need to go back uh that framing felt very deliberate didn't it yeah i think that was actually pretty good i like that she is a teacher right now on a decision in it yeah the thing is she is the probably the best and clearest way to get what they want right now so much as twitches well it's what it's what tess said that but i mean you know tess is you know what i mean like is that really why she's interested in doing it or is there if they're going the same route they do with character in the game then you can already start to read into why she's actually nudging them in favor of this choice and yeah i mean we got a lot more time in the hospital doctors maybe zebra saving doctors i don't know absolutely not okay jesus fine i just don't fucking sandwich out no get a bottle or a brick well i mean she'll be probably getting that gun eventually not that one but there you go you're thinking about trying to do years of war with this sort of thing with the her chunky those guys are chunky boys and put them in chunky armor we can't fit to the door break it down make a whole new world bigger chunkier doors the chunk plague everyone became chunky how did those sorts of things happen they bombed this area right okay they all although good moving infected pushed it over they got on this side yeah i don't like civilization i'm also just noticing as well that all of the cars are like looking appropriate for the era something i was thinking about because i think that's all like a mastercard logo on the door and i was wondering like are we are we gonna be seeing only brands you know up to 2003 man mastercard still exists but you know if they simply bombed loads of major cities to slow it down that's how you know we've basically lost yeah essentially but i mean it's easy to see how it got out of control because so many people got sick so quickly yeah and i find it more believable than a lot of newer i find zombie stories i really like the backdrop looks really good oh yeah and i mean just the fact that even though everything fell apart you've still got your quarantine zones around the place and then you've got different organizations with their own little sediments yeah no time brother they can build up but simultaneously they'll just not hurt each other well yeah five flies at war with the government how did you get bit you know the old mall in a qz one that's sealed off i wonder if we'll get that scene as well probably i i would imagine we'll get a whole episode on whatever i snuck in want to see what it was like dlc episode for the show there's gonna be anything in there and one just came up they had a nowhere i wonder if she's gonna mention uh it was just you in there riley yeah because riley has been mentioned episode one and you were safe there until you decided to sneak out and terrorist was riley a terrorist so it was just you in there alone yeah ah no she's not to herself yeah 14 i mean you got some balls on you sister thanks only tommy could go over trucks no they won't come after you right if you don't know rides in the game he holds the door closed because we're a bunch of infected it's like well i'm gonna be faster than you so i can catch up that's why he's pissed off on the first one yeah it's a better one in the game yeah definitely everyone said the open city was crazy swarms are infected running around everywhere people like to tell stories so there aren't super infected did explode fungus spores on you should i hope not oh well i guess they're gonna kind of bloater at some point i thought the spores were just a non-element in this even if they were a non-element i could easily imagine man tv shows they just have them strongest budgets now don't i oh yeah well and you know when they pitched this they were like we can make you a lot of money with this one okay yeah here's our proof look at the game and then they'll be like what's all this about last was to like shut up oh look look how cute they use real ones not cg ones yeah frog on a piano look i'm go this side i like it i like i like the practical sets they're cool yes there was a real frog on a piano as well they built real sets with tons of sets they bought a frog they were taking ages to make this thing think of the people who got involved well because this show was shot over the course of i think a year it had a long long production i don't know how to swim true that is a thing i think we have yeah i don't know how to know that because that's how buildings work like i guess looking at it you might have thought it was deeper i don't know but yeah that'll be that'll be relevant another time i imagine oh the fuck are we doing sir i'd like your finest sweet please weird kid you're a weird kid hello the bell hop is not gonna get a good tip he's scaring the customers he's scaring the customers so they have to push their own luggage i do like that is not supposed to still bruise there oh yeah they they made a good note of that at the beginning of the episode earlier boy and even he hurt himself doing it which is nice when a story acknowledges that punching somebody in the face over and over again is probably gonna hurt your hand i think rags specifically said don't do that you'll hurt your hand damn don't like hurt your hand you'll need that man if i was them and i came across a hotel like that i'd be opening up the luggage because a lot of people they bring toothpaste toothbrush all things like that inside of their bags come i mean the passing through of different areas makes me think like has anyone looted these places because man you know could be gold mines waiting to happen that's what i'm thinking all that stuff that you can't really get anymore i mean if the games run into a tree i would go with the show yes a lot of these areas have been pillaged by moving groups of like raiders and bandits defining a locked door is like hey people haven't been in here maybe yeah well i'm just easier for me to get through but you die and you get nothing you stay here's the thing if you and me i'd be happy to have these three for several episodes i'd be fine with that a bit of a mess so i'm gonna need a few minutes gosh it's like a bomb went off in here terrible wallpaper look at it nice knife where'd you learn to do that the circus where are you from the circus see i could be a mass hall too what about test Detroit to michigan i go to school i know where detroit is to be fair like do you go to school you don't know what you don't go to school right now you too like uh pass how long did infected live no i thought you went to school it's a really shitty one some last about a month or two there's others been walking around about 20 years i killed lots of is it hard like knowing they were people once sometimes what now it was very video gamey as well by the way like this door is stuck you have to lift your npc character over there to go and open it up while having some dialogue truly in like a city it can't be that hard to get where you need to go right well with all the roads sidewalks buildings meant for human traversal it does seem like they've opted go into a building when i wouldn't have thought they would want to do that until they reach the building they want let's try to scope it out to see if they can you know get a vantage point yeah like that oh dear right that's a lot of infected yeah i'm sure what they're doing either i guess maybe they're sleeping the last show i was at the sun that's fucking with them there the fungus also grows underground you step on a patch of quarter steps in one place and you can wake a dozen infected from somewhere else that's the new mechanic apparently now they come you gotta watch where you're walking now uh i have heard by the way that you you were correct in the assumption that the reason they got rid of the spores at least mainly from what i'm seeing is they wanted less gas masks are more about it right bring he loves that i'm the one who likes gas masks too no he's talking about he doesn't want people's faces covered up in the thing this is that like this to me is because they've replaced it with something else as a mechanic yeah it's not yeah this is the ground up we have to see how we didn't arbitrarily throw this on in season two or something this is this is from the start right exactly and like this is just an alternate explanation that gives them that rather than let's take the helmet that protects me from like incursive damage yeah and uh and about all because i need to have my face shown because i'm a famous actor why don't you take the fire escape ladder on the side of the building if there is one yeah it's like is this the way they have to go uh they're obviously invisible walls of the tv world as well oh no that's not good that's what really got everyone they come up against anything you get behind us and you stay there okay yes i have a spare hand congratulations you don't trust you with guns i think it's more for the uh the torch right oh no she's got one okay so yeah so it is the gun then obviously we'll be getting a payoff eventually with her getting a gun gonna be fun yeah this place would be was it a museum in the game yeah um oh yeah you encounter them in the buildings they arrive at night before you get here in the game like in the skies yeah um yeah yeah because i don't take a break they just go straight there well because the show itself isn't going to be as long as the game is it well it's kind of it's kind of complicated right because the show may be longer in other ways like it will have more strict cut scenes or more strict like you know scenes than the game does looks fresh what the fuck did that zambi maybe he was a dead dog the doors i don't hear it who would you hear you definitely needed to explain this to her uh she hasn't encountered a clicker before why aren't they telling her about the clickers and they should have told her that before they went in the building well i thought when joe when joe was talking about you know a month versus a year right because clickers were about a year and then bloaters is like they've been infected from the beginning more or less then there's ones in the last was two like the hyper flash pile things the rat king yeah and then there's other versions because it's like the stalker as well which is like partway between clicker and runner i'm curious if they'll do the thing like in the game where the runners are sometimes standing there crying as they're twitching the last was offers you plenty of horror opportunities oh yeah this is a terrifying place to be what's interesting as well is that you probably want to be equipped for creating noises uh at a distance uh yes yeah picking up rocks or something like that you'd want to have an egg you always have like a little rock to throw especially wow because runners are complicated they can still see you it's the clickers which by the way what a great idea they can't see so they use the echo location to find you look at this set take it just to make this thing Jesus look at this and it's going to be gone after this episode probably right this whole set probably yeah nice of what they said step on the thing and i don't know how she accidentally stood on a whole last hand you got one job okay honey watch where you're going yeah don't really creepy right because it's kind of like alien where all the environment is like a particular way but then you can sometimes spots like oh that's a person yeah wow yep it's about on cue this is going to be like one of the big reasons to have people be waiting for right a clicker yeah i figure already you want to throw something across the other side of the room yeah i suppose they can be kind of easy to lose to an extent go float in that's dangerous wow it'll be like in that trailer for the game right when he loaded it and that was the thing that revealed this position i wonder if they don't do that again you can throw your shells yeah you should have thrown those if at least one of them is a nice then they make a nice tinkling noise oh show is it would write it on the thing you're doing it gotta be right there don't even consider throwing the torch at this point anything to distract it one shot to the head right uh from the back but from the front the fungus is kind of like a protective thing hey stop a bullet or at least dampen its effects that's what it did in the games yeah yeah in the games it's shooting that's almost got mechanical value right like if you get it right yeah and of course you can't take them in melee in the game unless you have a shoot oh yeah they just instakill you right i do love how like terrifying they've made them here what the fuck is it still alive they shot so many times plus kind of how they work they don't have like a human's health no they're stronger have they just made an encounter with two of them like absolutely terrifying intense difficult even though they're hardened survivors like still even 20 years in encountering like two clickers is terrifying i assume it is you need to be bitten not just scratched you gotta be bitten just wait there give us a minute there's probably more ahead so we'll deal with it then this bite didn't take no what about the second i thought you just take the good news can you do that make the thing for once maybe we can actually win i was keeping an eye on her facial reaction when she said if it was gonna be one of us yeah she's already been bitten is it everything you hope for or is that everything you hope for jerry's still out jerry's still out man one to one but man you can't deny that view you can't deny that view come on this way yeah it's like identical come on let's get there before it's dark they have to keep this up it's like man this would have cost a shit ton wouldn't it uh yeah i wouldn't be surprised if it was like nine figure budget hey it's already one of the most successful shows like on hbo ever so a lot of people like i've seen the sentiment like i've seen the walking dead why would i care it's like walking dead of shit uh yeah walking dead is lame the the show anyway the comic was pretty cool list up to the part where i read it but the show was lame and how many seasons did walking dead have like a million uh i think it got up to like 12 or 13 and there's like other spin-off shows too that have multiple seasons yeah fear the walking dead had already like six seasons or sort of shit right i and there's another one i believe too and i'm pretty sure that they're doing two new ones like they're bringing back uh rip and um machine for like another season like another series let it die amc won't let it go it's like their most successful thing and it was even more sort of breaking bad they found every way to make it cheaper as well don't they uh so interesting how money translates because it'd be like is it worth putting all the money into make all these sets for this show and it's like well it's gonna make people remember this show i'm not kidding but i was there the thing right like the walking dead was the biggest show on on amc ever and the second season got a reduced budget per episode it's like seems odd interesting about the walking dead is that that's a show my parents used to watch and then my mom said we stopped watching it when characters started acting fucking stupid for no reason when they should know better and i'm like man if like normies yeah like my parents are super mega normies yeah and i think it's the reason why you have if it continues at this rate like this show will be pretty strong and i'm pretty sure everybody will agree with that sentiment it picks up they're they're doing a good job i don't mean this in a denigrate way but they're copying so what else is very good homework so that's true but they've done a lot of things that are neat well what i'm just the reason i bring that up is that they've got like a safety blanket almost a safety net like the well i mean walking dead people like it right of the didn't they not really adapt it that accurately they didn't they they deviated um pretty significantly oh i spent a lot more time figuring out that uh yeah well we know this building fringy um but we're trying to meet up with the fireflies right now right yes but the delivery girl oh dear um s seems a little more agitated than you'd expect yep seems like it's about more than just a car battery i mean there's gotta be a a fucking radio or something right ammunition you'll need that what do they've got bit the healthy ones but the sick ones everyone lost tess he says that like that's happened before a lot it's over we are going home this man by fucking home our luck had to run out sooner or later she's infected this is real don't she's fucking real i need you to get her to build in frank's i never ask you for anything not to feel the way i felt not to let you shut the fuck up because i don't have time to get her there you keep her alive and you said everything right please i know a little bit more of them there you go the mechanic pays off kind of like a one of us has just been destroyed destroy whatever did that sort of thing making sure that they can follow you man this is a bit more of a uh massive like blaze of glory for her than uh in the game uh oh take some of those absolutely yeah i mean like guys we've got ammunition piles and boxes you are correct but this is joel is not going to be a rational right now yeah oh i would just get a grenade do you want to do it they start taking grenades pulling pins throwing pulling pins throwing are these clickers they're not hearing it oh well she's already infected right so maybe they don't care oh well like they said right even if you're infected it'll kill you they'll spuck you up yeah all right well yeah well there you go yeah we've got episode two i think that was good yeah i think it's good too i think they did a really good job establishing uh we've got like we had like an episode of like the human area now we got the infected area and they're very deadly it's not just like ooh i'm a zombie i'm gonna walk towards you how could humanity have lost no no no it's it's like it's actually uh yeah it definitely sells like that this is something that feels like it could actually like beat humans just the fact that even trying to fight two of them is like this incredibly terrifying encounter yeah they're kind of tanky they're kind of fast and they alert others when you kill them or can anyway yeah well yeah that is a change right now we get to see what that actually looks like which is an interesting change it certainly is uh different than how it works before leverage there to enable quite a different payoff to win the game because in the game test basically just does a last stand against a bunch of military guys yeah uh whereas here like a massive explosion yeah and the acting it's just really on point really strong they take in yeah i'd say the important parts of the game i don't feel like we missed out at all on any of the connecting pieces the up to this point in the game really i don't think so i mean again production side is super impressive the sets the visual effects the designs on the the infected the sound design and lighting it's all really strong and in service of like capturing the tone that they want to evoke in each moment right where you can have these like scenery of this destroyed world but nature is reclaiming it and then contrast that with a different more scary version of nature essentially trying to assert control over the world yeah that episode was just all focused on them three pretty much and then we lose test which uh you know if you play the game or watch this series without any of that knowledge i do think that comes as a surprise that test ties that early even though obviously we knew what was going to happen i think that there's enough indication in the way that she's acting after that encounter to give to give away right like something's wrong yeah her entire temperament has changed but you see it gradually anyway right her coming to more and more sort of accept the situation and a willingness to push forward with it meanwhile Joel is just kind of the whole time just like i don't want to do this they give you snippets all right like him saying we're going home and she says that's not my home being of course i think she's referring to a wider context of this isn't home what's happened anymore like we well yeah having to deal with it as a fucking nightmare and so there's this one shot here of uh something but obviously Joel just Joel's already said he doesn't fucking believe in it and he doesn't care about it he wants to just do what the smartest thing is whatever it is at the time but yeah he's written that off uh where she's now in a position where she's willing to accept it basically in order to fight basically her life right to give her to give her life some kind of meaning instead of it just being like 20 years of killing people and smuggling and just looking out for herself well i'm the uh i've never asked anything of you never asked you to feel how i felt i think it's just a bit of a relationship was never quite um as deep as maybe one of them wanted which i mean you got that in the first game as well kind of where it's like there's got to be enough here for you to feel an obligation basically the same thing here right yeah this is how we get a character like Joel to can commit to this now is the life debt almost somebody who cares who he cares about has said you you're gonna do this for me like you got to you have to do it for me and now that it's just those two on their own it's like we're now is the opportunity to basically force Joel to develop that relationship whereas with tests there's a little bit of distance he can he can leave between him and ellie yeah and it seems like they put an effort in this episode to make uh to make tests a little bit more likeable to ellie than joel so that it yeah it gets you get that sense of like oh if i had to lose one of you it really had to be her and then it's gonna be like well and joel as the game goes on or as the story goes on i should say it goes on evidently but that there is that change right they're not because they encounter bill by passing through bill's town whereas now it seems like she sent them to go to bill specifically uh whereas in the game you know find tommy uh because he ran with the fireflies so he can help you i'm very curious how they're gonna adapt one of my favorite moments in the whole game is when uh got the chance to sort of ditch her you know yeah yeah but yeah uh you know and even that opening scene so i think it makes a really fun addition right because it's quite horrifying i guess uh well yeah it makes me wonder if it's like you said right uh it was either your rags maybe that'll be what we're getting each episode is uh more insight into what happened before and maybe that means because i imagine next episode will be bill that would be my guess maybe we'll get to see what happened with bill and then maybe we see what happens with like henry and sam uh maybe if intro one was uh an intro to the science behind the theory almost of how it could happen and then it literally taking place i'd wonder if we're gonna get scenes of different areas falling apart maybe yeah maybe we'll see how like certain quarantine i could easily imagine that we might get a flashback on like the fireflies coming to exist as an entity would be cool if we had like a white house opening scene as well yeah yeah like what what is the plan what are we doing here and maybe that's when they're like we're gonna create these quarantine zones this is what we're doing everything outside of it we're abandoning yeah it's definitely seems like the episodic structure can be like really worthwhile in terms of um each episode focuses on like one specific thing or each episode we encounter a new set of characters who only stay for one or two episodes because it's Joel and Ellie as a consistent element but yeah all it is is that i'm i'm engaged and i'm interested to keep watching yes yeah they keep laying more and more foundations as well as arguably a more payoffs than a lot of tv shows get within the first two episodes and two episodes yeah because you you've only had tests for two episodes and it's like that was that was good work that was good work that they did with her yeah and props to the actress as well she was pretty good what else can you say you know i just i just feel like pretty much every element is either good or if not great i mean the set design is fucking fabulous yeah it's like one of the it's like among the most convincing green screens i've ever seen this the city backdrop it looks so much money and effort went into it it is so easy to accept that they're walking through this post apocalyptic city that it's like you legit forget that it's a movie set that it can't be real it can't be real but those yes man like god damn they're so detailed yeah they worked really hard to raise off exactly yeah the practicality of a lot of the places they're in the it looks really really good last of us episode two well can you say it was really real solid we'll see how this show goes further on thanks for watching everybody yeah we'll see you next time bye bye bye here we are oh god there's a fourth person ah you say something not usually here oh sorry yeah uh hi there you go thanks for this official intro you know we just have so much variety in the form of what we cover and who we cover where them i i saw you tweeting about this little show and i was like hey that'd be fun we could talk to you about it the episodes that have come previously and are to come so i guess we could simultaneously catch up quickly what did you think of episodes one and two i'm digging it so far a few missteps but uh nothing that i agree just i'm quite impressed with it overall what would you say is the most praiseworthy thing i'm tempted to say that it actually followed the game which is what halo should have done but i don't think it needed to be exactly like the game but i'm glad that it did and i like how crazy the zombies are yeah i mean the people playing the clickers are pretty neat and uh i just think the the detail on the uh the prosthetics are really good as well so you have like this grounded human drama which i think craig mason is quite good at but you also have like the pulpy like crazy zombies it like turned up to a degree that we haven't really that i haven't seen since like 28 days later where they really feel like a threat what do you mean walking dad's been out and going for years oh my god why does everyone hate walking dad what did it do other than be horrible oh jeez make one this it's it's quality so far well uh if you had the biggest criticism what would it be if i had to pick a thing it's this even bothered me in the game where the soldier shoots at joel and sarah and it's like joel should probably be dad right maybe he's like got shot point blank full auto it's just like he was barely grazed and he just rolls down the hill and then i don't know he the soldier takes his time like re-approaching him and i don't remember that kind of bugging me in the games and it kind of bugged me here again too yeah it's hard to even tweak that to fix it because you kind of to generate a scenario where someone shoots at them with a rifle and only tags his daughter and not him it's like that's a very specific result that can be difficult to sort of provide because like yeah especially just a shot from a rifle he's just like oh you're both dead surely and you know tomi turning up just too late slash just too early to have either both of them or none of them die yeah but that i think is just a small detail it's not a huge deal i didn't really get in the way some of the things i saw people talking about they were surprised we didn't talk about so i was curious if you guys have any additional thoughts but um everyone was very weirded out by tess getting the tendril kiss before she dies you have any commentary for that it doesn't strike me as too i mean it is weird but all this is sort of weird the this question is really like is it weird in a way that doesn't seem to fit their behavior or if that's a setup for later the tendrils almost seem like they're like a sensory organ or they are like checking to her breath or something to see if she's infected or something along those lines it's like a really fast way to infect someone maybe maybe a really fast lady so was the old lady doing that in the first episode when she yeah when she when she looks up the tendrils come out of her mouth and remember the first guy who's infected in the jacardi the body has the tendrils coming out of it as uh in the mouth as well so yeah the tendrils are definitely a thing i just meant the targeting of like mouth to mouth uh which may be a fast way to spread it and that's why that happens that way but part of what i thought suited about it was the fact that tess was like absolutely terrified of becoming one of them and then like talking about having a worse fear realized right before she actually kills herself like it's that close and that sort of that's like a violation in in a couple of ways right like uh feels really i think it's supposed to feel really gross yeah simultaneously it's like well that has the effect of feeling gross to a lot of audience members and so a lot of people are uncomfortable watching it they didn't want to see that so i would imagine that that was the feeling that they were trying to evoke with that same this is a deeply uncomfortable yeah like on a on a specific level and then on a broad level right like it's not just it's annihilated society they are fucking disgusting they take the human body and use it for whatever they want like that tendril kiss the the one thing that kind of threw me off about it is that i'm not sure what makes an infected go crazy biting someone and then doing something like that where it's just like a weird leaning in for a kiss sort of thing i thought the issue with that one was human is there that she was moving very little and so the clicker wasn't 100 sure of what was in front of it maybe okay and it was one of the blind ones right i'm not sure actually i need to check again it was a stalker i think and i'm pretty sure the stalkers are kind of partially blind because it's it's like you got runners who can still see and then as the growth gets there it becomes more and more difficult to see and so they get to clickers when they can't see and have to use echolocation it's kind of in the middle ground that one right and i don't know if the the concept of she is infected and maybe she's giving off some kind of a a signal or some pheromone or some sort of something as much as i think that's a fair idea um does that reflect with ellie at all i need i don't know i don't ellie be having it but being like immune to it is some something they can sense i just don't know maybe yeah i think i think they need to i'll believe it if they if they come up with an explanation or the or if they explain it i can go along with that the impression i'm getting with these the the fact that episode one and two began with like sort of a delving into the nature of the infection makes me wonder if that's going to be something that gets explored way more in this show compared to in the game like how it actually works and how a cure might come to exist rather than just maybe a cure can actually come from this you know i'm guessing that there might be trying to actually delve into it a little bit more how it works and how to stop it perhaps i think it's fine because i understand why they're doing it like they craig mason didn't want to do spores because then you'd have the actors with gas masks on a lot and he said himself that that didn't he felt that didn't translate to film very well so it's like okay well there needs to be what component of the fungal growth infects other people if you're not going to do spores then it needs to be like tentacles they've added in the sort of network aspect which um i think it's fine i've seen people say like they better stay consistent to it it's like it should be easy to stick to right because it's either if the place is old and dry then it won't have any like network potential but if ever they um fire it uh or kill quarter set monsters where they fall onto like a floor that's covered in the same goop then it can like translate messages and stuff so sounds like something they should be able to control pretty easily and then it can also cause you know big drama on a whim as a better setup to have hordes appear than hordes simply appear you know yeah so hopefully they use it well but yeah yeah the fungal network idea i really dig it's an interesting idea yeah if they if they do it well i could really be into it we'll see how they actually you know utilize that new mechanic going forwards what to see dog yeah we're up to episode three now where who knows what'll happen i mean no wing exactly what happens in the game doesn't necessarily tell you what'll happen in the episodes i've seen plenty of discussion for this one already so we'll have lots of things to talk about once we're at the end of it oh that's a different one it's kind of like the no pre-credits scene evidently nah we're moving on we're moving past that they've evolved past that old cultural monolith this is a new era look at all this grossness spreading it's kind of like cheese whiz you never want that growing everywhere equally gross children eat cheese whiz and i think it's amazing it just shows that children are retarded well have you tried cheese whiz in different things maybe it really tastes good when it's uh with the um ice cream ice cream a nice cheese whiz on the ice cream you want some chocolate syrup or some you know anything like that like nah i'll just have cheese whiz just get a big old swirly have it on a big old spiral on the top yellow and white and that's what this intro evokes oh it's prey took that rock a million years to get to shore charlie brown now you've thrown it back now he's making art out of it back he is making art wow not bad honestly was an artist yeah he found some good stones to stack up ellie's like joel come on you're still fucking around with those rocks yeah that took him like three days to bouncing we think he's a great artist but he's a really bad artist the power of editing when your jacket back oh let's let me spread i want your sorry i wasn't gonna say i'm sorry nobody made you a test take me you needed a truck battery or whatever and you made a choice so don't blame me for something that isn't my fault it's a bit of a subversion right because the typical conversation is like i'm sorry for what happened and the business is not your fault who'd be in like please don't blame me for that they probably went to like a real forest to do that you know what i think green screen they're getting really really good with them what what are the forest oh god they're looking fake forest disney didn't have the they didn't spring for going into the woods but they had to green wow the thing is it's more expensive to shoot outside because you have to pay attention to like your sunlight and you know weather conditions it must be so annoying to know that like they can't just get away with it they just can't yeah like it's disney like just go outside and fucking turn the camera on what if it's rainy the scene's rainy it was all shot in canada so as a canadian you're welcome someone shot well canada's got them nice pine tree forest and everything yeah you can also not no cap on their tax credit in alberto someone shot at me and miss i miss two that was more often than you think because you suck at shooting or like in general in general shooting guns is fucking hard bitch well i think that's that's kind of d right he's trying to say like most people miss most of the time vast majority of the shots will be missed i was thinking i should i do wonder about that i guess it is just a matter of character wise he just doesn't would you say he doesn't trust to or just sees it as a bad move to give her a gun because you probably want to give her a gun you probably want your only other companion to have the capacity to save your life in this situation i don't know if i'd give her a gun either like someone who's not familiar with firearms i feel like they just be more of a danger to me especially if we're walking around the interiors and dark places and we're jumping agitated i don't want this person who's not used to guns having well yeah not before you've had an opportunity to actually you know teach you how to use us like teach someone very well because you don't have ammo to spare right also the element of like it's a handgun they're really really difficult to shoot accurately without practice it would be safer to give her the fucking assault rival probably i imagine she could have maybe gotten some light training like if she's part of a military escort like what was the school it was a training it was like a school school it was a federa school right yeah i don't know if they would have given training for weaponry i they're probably gonna save all that for actual like soldiers and militia i guess she's pretty young too i would be surprised she hasn't had any training but that's the thing uh if they do a payoff where she shoots her gun for the first time and she misses horrifically and the guns are really really loud and it's like the recoil she's not used to then that would be a nice payoff and she'll say eat this and hit the infected right between the eyes from a mile away yeah blow the barrel so he just said you can go look around because this place has been cleared out like there's nothing here i hope she doesn't fucking find something and you tell me that's something he missed or he hasn't even been back there yet no this is the place he's been before you forgot where you put your stuff no i'm gonna take a look around she's didn't do good trust me it's all been picked over already oh it is yeah this is a place he's been many times he's currently getting his stash that he keeps here and he said you can go look around because this place has been run over so many times that there's nothing to find i don't believe for a second that he wouldn't have found this so i hope there's nothing new down here are you gonna jump down there without a way to get back up without even telling joel without telling joel oh gee i hope you don't fucking spooky music yet i hope there's no spooky sort of monster down here too well that'll do it i guess that'll help i like how it just holds on the eerie ambience of this like the stillness of it yeah rather than hitting your head with like a musical track to get you freaked out yeah like bomb in the dark now oh shit yeah in the dark of the night people will find there is an infected damn it course there could be well so that's like a double whammy of annoying joel being like you can go wander off because i've been here before and there's nothing here it's like that doesn't mean there isn't something here now yeah but the mobile nature of life is such that maybe something has arrived since your last meeting and to be honest with you i wouldn't be surprised at this point he was hyper protective of her for the sake of tess as in like it is my job now to make sure you make it no matter well that guy is uh he's ready for very well he's ready for studying he's he's like such a like gross disease fungal yeah pretty terrifying did we each find secret tunnels oh looks like he's found his stash kind of interesting it's following the knife yeah well i'm guessing it's something they might be trying to sort of establish here right is like there's an element of humanity left in uh certain infected you like the lady yeah that's real gross jeez damn well it's probably for the best because there was something that was a neat touch in the game since the runners sometimes when they're standing there you can hear them crying because it's like they're still they're still sort of aware of what's happening yeah like they're still aware as and they're slowly losing control until obviously when she starts to get to click as they're like non-human anymore yeah dying light did that in a really creepy way too where some of the ones who are like the more fresh zombies that are really quicker and they can climb they they say some things there's zombies but you could hear like actually a little bit of words coming out of them and stuff it's like that's like that's scary i don't know if this comes across his nitpicking but come on you're not gonna tell him what you found they're literally found infected over there in your safe stash place just saying you know it feels like they're doing the whole like she handled all of that on her own and didn't even mention it one thing it would be good is to maybe like put that in a plastic bag or something and roll it up keep the moisture off of it also it'd be nice to know how much ammo we actually had because that would factor into whether or not i think it's a good decision to leave that behind or to just bring the magazine or just the bullets dude you got to go up in the sky yeah well so today statistically though safest way to travel yeah safer than trains fuck trains my right guys how did it even start cordyceps mutated someone that got into the food supply probably a basic ingredient like flour sugar red cereal pancake mix cheese we eat enough of it it'll get you infected it goes on it started to get sick and that's the thing too right they won't realize that the foods the reason that's done it so they'll keep eating the food for at least a little bit longer yeah and depending on like the specifics of the virus or the fungus itself it you know who knows what the incubation is or yeah i've heard there's there's like ants that will crawl all over something and then i'll start biting so that they can coordinate instead of the first one on bites and then the rest don't get a chance so who knows if the fungus has some kind of semi-intelligence like that maybe serious ellie can it hurt me no you're honest man should have said axe murder whatever it was i think it's gone there's definitely a dynamic difference of um the early on relationship in the game i think he is much colder to her let me use that i'm a pretty good shot with that thing how about we just leave this kind of step to me well we could both be armed cover each other i don't think so i need you to shut up all right uh yeah i think some people think of him as more of a pushover in the show as a result of that when you know it's easy to interpret he's just less cold there's a scene to come up that i've seen in the trailers where he refers to her as cargo if there wasn't but i think he's just saying that in a moment probably because he's mad at her or something he's definitely like warming up to her already i kill them that people can't be infected oh so let's all kill ourselves well so apparently that logic is if there's uh qz's are full when they have people to come in that they can't take care of do they let them i guess run over off or do they kill them seems a little evil to fucking kill them yeah like if you just if you're in the quarantine zone anyway then why not just let the people outside of it stay outside of it yeah especially if they're rural areas i suppose is that like they want us to believe that they just consider a they give a group of humans they're just too fucking risky to let live as they'll turn into zombies and come back but i don't know no i don't know yeah i don't know about that like what is the military worried about having out of bullets it's not even just that the military decided that that would be something they would do you have to believe that all of the people would enact that all the soldiers don't honestly i just don't believe that well then that looks like a bill it looks like a man with a beard of the darkness yeah because it feels weird that you have maybe like a locked off almost locked off suburb sort of thing with a bunch of people just living their lives and then the government comes in collects you up and what i'm quote takes you to a qz but then just executes all of you so that they can reduce the overall numbers of the quarter step zombies like really that seems like a really strange way of doing that that involves a lot of policy i would almost say like shouldn't you want as many people as you can find and you want to expand and maintain like the workers to have a growing the quarantine zone right you want to build up a city almost eventually not slowly open the door and peer out do you just burst open out the front door and then start looking around don't you know i feel like if they were just here uh i wouldn't just i just wouldn't go outside that day i should go cameras just stay safe yeah i'd just be hanging out finally i can go boating what are you he's he's splurging he's getting supreme why not i know i feel like everybody home to pot that's french for the toilet who's homey that home depot is a gold mine i mean it's wires outlets plugs lumber that's already pre-cut measured yeah oh gold mine all the tools the last lifetime well the fact that he already had a um a hidden underground thing going on it's like he's he's like the kind of guy that a person who just like a prepper yeah prepper yeah so yeah he would know better than most probably how much of uh he's got to be able to use he's probably just been dreaming of the day the kind of person who believes that the apocalypse is always just around the corner yeah in this case it was finally come yeah and if anything he's uh this is element a rot chicken so yeah it's worth mentioning i guess the what what's interesting about this episode is that um as far as i'm aware we're not getting any more Joel and Ellie know it's all gonna be about this guy well on this marks like the first sort of i guess major deviation is that we we meet bill uh just during Joel and Ellie's main adventure we never got to see the whole story of bill yeah i had somebody that i cared about partner somebody i had to look after and then and then his relationship with frank and obviously we saw what the end of that looked like but we didn't get to see it play out so yeah obviously you're referring to the game um yeah because this is already different but you can see what pieces they've pulled or at least how they've come to make this as a story well i mean we already knew bill was like hyper prepped this whole town was filled with traps and everything yeah which is obviously reflected already here yeah oh what's interesting now and making me think is like is a week almost done a flip of the convention of the first two episodes being that we have an opening scene to provide some context about another part of the world that relates to the progress of the infection fungal thing and then we get Joel and Ellie slash the main story this time we had an opening scene with them and the rest of the episode is going to be big a lot of bill yeah you know like something that's not them just almost like a flip yeah i guess to keep you on your toes you never know what to expect in an episode even if you played the game well it's tv in it because yeah ain't a game so we do different things here of course there's another thing is we don't have to make gameplay segments well it just means you can have these long stretches of no combat there's one of the challenges of telling a story in a game when you have a bunch of combat i remember in the game being really fascinated with bill and frank's relationship and wanting to know a bit more about it beyond just the letter that was left so i'm glad that the show is doing this it feels like an opportunity if done well are you armed no why did you take that long to answer i thought about lying for some reason but reason didn't come i was actually thinking about that yeah like are you obduse like if i say no maybe they won't think of me as a potential yeah like i could handle myself sort of thing baltimore qz it's gone very hurt yeah i fell in a hole just a bruise what do you think of the likelihood of getting out of that hole yourself uh 100 percent you could take like enough time yeah take a little moshes and uh we're gonna deprot galactic our way out of this bitch no now dig up stupid how are we gonna get out of here we'll dig our way out oh no now dig up stupid oh he's got a little infection checker good how'd you get that out of it none of your god damn business you were just laying there on the ground on that guy i killed god he's so fucking hard to trust anybody in this environment you know yeah boston is that way you can make it by nightfall i'm really hungry i'm letting you go so go all right look my name's frank oh yeah here's the thing frank then every bum you talk to about it is gonna show up here looking for a free lunch and this is not an arby's well arby's didn't have free lunch was a restaurant didn't have free lunch at obby's that's true i won't talk about it to any bums or hobos or vagabonds i promise i've only got so much cheese whiz i can't feed everybody i'll spare it feels like a silo of cheese whiz that old classic in that you'd feel pretty safe probably getting rid of this guy but then you also feel pretty bad if he's just a guy i'm gonna go ahead and bet that bill's not super social or at least he wasn't no one names bill is social living on his own for like four years i left some clothes here for you which is enough to make anybody who isn't social sort of especially in the midst of a post apocalypse too yeah like how long can you last entertaining yourself off of like because he's secured himself real well but you'll eventually finish all of your tasks you know yeah and then you'll be like now what b about someone else is enjoying stuff i'm trying to think of other stories that have done this but like yeah just enjoying something is one thing but enjoying it with other people is is a whole other thing somebody out of dust no one touches my dust taking me years to cultivate that fine dust you put your fingers all over it this would be probably mind blowing if you've been living in the apocalypse for like years everything tastes good when you're starving yeah but not yeah but that's like the meat yeah but yeah it's been four years i remember what food tastes like a man who knows to pair rabbit with it would actually be enough to make you forget briefly that the world is ended and there's zombies outside this is like so unexpectedly awesome i always keep the gun on in case the rabbits get you know jumpy but rabbits jump all the time right thank you you're welcome what year was this did they say 2007 well this is four years later so yeah because i'm just trying to figure out the ages right now like they would overall they are now we've got another but first 20 years well that's 16 years from now wow you know much these are worth currently nothing these aren't yours my mother this is you imagine you took your job so seriously like you'll be playing piano like one episode of one tv show you'll be a part of and it's like i must learn how to do it myself that's not really necessary it's like no i must might just be fundamentally it's like no don't do this you got to make me like you and then i'm gonna have you stay and i don't want i don't want that i want to be on my own well you definitely get a big ol sense that he's like closed off but simultaneously show he's taken a lot of actions to show that he clearly wants to do stuff with someone yeah might call it multi-dimensional sounds like good advice i like this like neither one of them want to leave or want the other person to leave but they they don't want to weird the other person out yeah yeah it's all super awkward but a lot of stuff desperate and look it's music that's being able to bind them i mean that feels deliberate right like it's food drink and music like soldiers experiences right i was like when nick oftenman shows up in anything i mean fun which is why i think when everybody found out that he was going to be playing bill that was really exciting there's just like that seems perfect we liked him in fogo once who's the girl girl you're singing about there's no girl you like it when your beard touches another beard he doesn't even know his name is true bill no funny right bill would frag bill and frank are you i like this though they go we need names who are they gonna be i don't know frank bill go bob and joe well hey it's been a while for both of them i suppose well it's uh it's official pianos are gay what will be the straight instrument guitar accordions actually electric guitar i don't have sex for lunches sex for brunches not even great ones if i do this i'm gonna stay for a few more days wait isn't that just the same thing that makes you more of that actually makes you look like more of a whore you're a frugal whore yeah it seems like you're not you're just negotiating honestly yeah i thought he was gonna go the direction of like this means something to me as opposed to i'm bottering for more than just a meal here okay i'm getting a couple days i think he also knows that bill probably doesn't want him to go either god the no-no zone oh it's interesting right because bill comes across quite strong and antisocial but in an environment like that he's fucking super vulnerable right this is for us who cares what they look like i do oh we're getting racist isn't just our hat you live in a psycho bunker where 9 11 was an inside job and and the government are all nazis the government are all nazis well yeah now but not then not then i am asking for some paint and some gasoline for the lawnmower that's all i'll do everything else myself oh he wants to like make the place look nice i guess okay okay just tell me why paying attention to things it's how we show love and i'm fixing up some of the shops not the stupid ones just the the wine shop and the furniture store wait what are the stupid ones and the clothing anything that isn't a wine shop or a furniture store or a clothing boutique our memory store from the memory store we're gonna make friends and we will invite them to visit there are no friends to be had i've actually been talking to a nice woman on the radio what you watch yeah that's a good reaction right oh my god hey oh you're a paranoid schizophrenic too i'm not haha but i am paranoid it's a very nice dovetailing of the plot lines i like this well can i how nice this is to have a civilized meal in such a beautiful place it's been so long i mean i still i want to thank you even if you don't end up working together he's got his gun on it yeah we are i think i haven't had a meal of this caliber and such i mean a fine meal a lot of time uh frank uh ellie asked about frank and bill i think joel said frank is nice so yeah he clicks the hammer back now that it's just one of them too again yeah i wouldn't be happy either one of all the people you could have found on the radio were actually decent people just trying to get by uh huh what a coincidence well aren't i the lucky one books medicine machine parts we can't help each other and get that gun out of my face prepper or something survivalist we're self-sufficient here i don't need you or your friend complicating our lives that fence it's got a year on it tops galvanized wire already started to corrode i can get you 10 spools of high tensile and he writes it's not only that he's been living in the post-pocalypse but that joel is uh he was like a contractor for buildings and stuff yep yeah he'll know about materials and stuff oh yeah right it's just a reality of stories like this we're working together we'll get you results you wouldn't even expect i think it's pretty clear that that's what we're going for here right it's like bill's notion of self-sufficiency is kind of like not real there are certain things that he doesn't know and there are certain things that he can't do for himself there are certain needs that can't be fulfilled in the absence of other people no matter how you might have to cooperate with other people as independent as you think you are you know but that just invariably exposes him to new dangers of course it does because like yeah maybe so really you know maybe joel and tess are nice but what about the next one the thing is and joel just said like you know warning there will be raiders eventually i would almost be able to interpret that as a threat yeah that's almost like what i think but maybe it depends on the conversation and their dynamic but it's just that you can't know isn't it because it's like if joel asks you to cooperate the nice way and if you don't he might bring back his friends someday but then there's just the gets to the illusion of safety that he has here that's you know it's like yeah yeah well how'd you get those cars like that maybe they found uh i think both of their beads have changed color traded joel and tess one of your guys yeah i love it we're getting older raw berries see you wouldn't have this unless you were nice to joel oh i don't take the the leaves off i use them as a little handle sometimes too i go back and forth i eat the leaves they're good for you i'll see them i am very thankful and i'm sorry i'm allergic to strawberries i should have told you getting older faster than you owner means we're still here i was never afraid because he had nothing to lose that's a cool line yeah that is a good line though i guess it's particularly uh sad if you know where this ends well and kiss me in the strawberry patch i mean how can you not as well start to link this what do you think the point of all this is the rip it away from him well i mean the point broadly would be like yeah that's kind of the trade off isn't it for these like really uh oh what's about to happen here oh we got raiders what i was going to say is the what do you think ellie represents in joel's life right it's a it's a reason someone cares about so much because it seems like what we're gunning for with bill was that he was surviving but he wasn't living wow oh yeah yeah he was surviving but he wasn't getting much out of life he was simply existing if anything yeah now that's why he's everything's different now because this is actually great for him oh now he has nothing that he can lose i sure do hope nothing bad happens to anybody i just feel like that's gonna be what we're supposed to incorporate into thinking about joel and ellie is oh sure which is what i think a lot of side characters supposed to do right and y'all don't keep a lot of different yeah no don't go outside now i can see you i don't even know if bill's giving this guy like proper instruction of what to do and where to go there's bill now he's still there just getting him through it oh he's being covered dude you gotta wow you're just like standing out in the open you wouldn't have thought like a doomsday prototype he'd be like in a bird's nest sort of thing wouldn't he not just standing out there like that doesn't he have like a bunker does he not have a bulletproof vest at the very least yeah yeah you think i guess if you went out there in a rush but still feels really weird to just shoot out in the open like that yeah you're not even going to shoot from the windows of the um the house and everything all right bill you got shot because you were standing in the street you know work on that next time buddy yeah that was really dumb bill i don't expect this kind of sloppy maneuver of being from you if they just wander into the fence i guess you ain't dead yet that could just be a flash wound you might be all right kind of interesting that he would in desperate moments tell him to go to joel i must mean that he believes that joel is the kind of person that would take care of people yeah oh i've definitely gone on now 2023 santa maybe kind of a young santa it looks like Jordan Peterson from that angle did you clean your room they gave nick offerman loads of are they called liver spots the spots you get when you get older yeah sorry i think they may have given them a little too many i call them wisdom speckles i'm not fighting about it back in bed promise you i'm gonna stay up why because this is my last day what if we find a doctor what if what if someone shows up who can help who's coming bill the door to door mri salesman i'm not gonna give you the every day was a wonderful gift from god's speech i've had a lot of bad days i've had bad days with you too just give me one more good day then you will crush all of these up put them in my wine i will drink it i can't i can't well i don't really have commentary for this just sad yeah i'm just uh i'm just watching it's very sad yeah i have commentary that's an ugly shirt some obviously it's realities of stuff of shit like this i was a real life but uh this would totally happen in post-apocalyptic places because there's so much less ability to circumvent disease and we're just yeah that he got sick you know and there was nothing that could be done about it what is the last of us as a game there's point all about isn't it like it's worth hanging on to what remains of the best of experiences we can have with each other as opposed to desperately clinging to just exist um yeah that's what it felt it felt like by the time you hit the end of the game right like it was like yeah ellie's worth everything and i imagine that's what's being reflected here oh that's what we're doing here it's what the first meeting yeah this is a meal dinner and this is last yeah with the wine it's hard to portray like a whole uh what two decade long relationship in just 40 minutes ish yeah good zigzag they get along they fight one one's life is in danger and then it's flipped now yeah it feels like they covered all of the necessary beats to get to this point all the things that a normal relationship has you know enough to kill a horse i'm satisfied and you were my purpose oh it should be furious it's incredibly romantic that is a big deviation from the game i was watching this episode wondering if they were gonna do this well so the thing about it is that felt uh appropriate considering the story they've been telling given all the context that we had yeah this does seem like this seems like something that would happen oh there was a lot of trust given him the uh yeah code i quite like that that's a sign that something's very wrong yeah it's from bill and was this so they're dead take anything you need the bunker code is the same as the gate code but in reverse but still it's like we're friends almost and i respect you i used to hate the world and i was happy when everyone died i saved him yep there you go that's why men like you and me are here we have a job to do and god help any motherfucker who stand in our way i leave you all of my weapons and equipment use them to keep oh i'd be tasked when i stay here yeah the game is his portion is all about getting a car in working order right yes and it looks just like this car as well they have to go to the school to get the battery i think and then shit tons of infected arrive and that was the reveal of the bloater as a boss so i think people might have been disappointed with like the no bloater reveal yet that's only getting obviously you know give it time you'll get you a bloater probably listen about tess hey look um about tess i don't even know what here's all these things gonna play out if i'm taking you with me there's some rules you gotta follow rule one you don't bring up tess ever you don't bring up tess ever matter of fact we just keep our histories to ourselves matter of fact we can just keep our histories to ourselves rule two you don't tell anyone about your condition secondly don't tell anybody about your condition they think you're crazy we'll try to kill you they see that bite mark they won't think it through they'll just shoot you rule three you do what i say when i say it and lastly you do what i say when i say it we clear we clear yes repeat it what you say goes sure repeat it what you say goes good yeah they got some stalking up to do this guy was a genius i guess this is a good stash right as opposed to take everything from here grab some cans from over there nothing dented or swollen dude no there's a wall fucking with clocks the odds are pretty high she saves it with the gun yes he's like well i'll do the payoff right they'll do the the one from the game yeah it's the first time i wonder what it's like to approach a car without any context of i guess it would be pretty interesting yeah is it weird that i think sometimes when i'm driving like what if like a in a time machine like george washington or something was in my car and i had to explain to him not to panic on the road because everyone stays in the lines you're like no no it's fine we all stand the lines it's great there's rules that is actually before my time that is a winner though better than nothing i'll be the bedroom window then yeah that was a pretty great episode yeah it was really nice i really like that um knew exactly what its goal was and achieved it yeah seems like it did well it's just a great example of like how to tell a very complete story in a single episode of television to tell a complete story with a theme that was set up and paid off and reinforced and ties into the broader theme of the uh what well presumably will be the broader theme of the show if the game is any indication yeah and it's just they chose a really good character from the game to use for this story because they managed to get to keep a lot of his elements obviously stripped away a couple but uh and he doesn't get to interact with the role that he plays in the story is different very different from the role that he played in the right in the game in the game it was much more of an active role in the main plot whereas here it's much more of a thematic role yeah what he passes on in terms of support and help to Joel is much more um it's done in the form of that that message right like i feel like planting the seed for a later character choice and i imagine that those will be consistently reinforced with i mean with like when he's with tommy henry and sam i imagine that all of those stories will sort of uh be you know building up that core motivation Joel's gonna feel like he failed with test to some degree now and it's like ellie is his uh second go around but in the same way obviously the well right kind of well those are like that's what it all comes down to he's supposed to protect these people and uh if they die that means he's fucked up failed yeah they didn't have him uh cry after reading if you can tell he's um he's struggling pretty upset yeah especially because he probably fucking liked frank and bill um after knowing for that long like like when he's just like they're dead and he's just sort of staring having to deal with this everyone keeps fucking dying i think in the games he did serve a thematic purpose there as well they it's the theme is different obviously he served the obvious function of like providing the car battery and also having like the school set piece and the the bloater boss fight but uh he also represented to joel on his journey what you can turn into if you wall yourself off completely once upon a time i had somebody that i cared about the partner somebody i had to look after and in this world that sort of shit's good for one thing getting you killed so you know what it did why isn't the fuck up and i realized it's got to be just me yeah i don't mean to uh certainly don't mean to downplay the uh the role that he played i guess it's more so that in this one when you strip so much of that away it just lays bare like that this case is very much a uh thematic sort of story because it doesn't tie directly into helping joel and ellie on their quest really at all whereas in the game it was kind of yeah it was doing two things at once it had the plot stuff but then it also had this is bill this is these are his outcomes and joel has to sort of consider those outcomes and maybe think about whether he wants you know what he could do to avoid the situation that bill finds himself in totally alone better miserable yeah and super secure but like just is that worth it when you've got existing right he's existing whereas what we saw here was bill was existing and then he was living and he got a lot out of that relationship and the ending of course as well because in the game frank disappears and he finds out what actually happened to him and it's like that's something that he has to deal with whereas here it's a very different story in that regard but there's obviously inspiration they've taken elements move things around yeah well i've read something pretty new um with this story but at the same time you can see how they got it from the game and i was i was pretty impressed with uh the work that they did for those two characters considering that it was just one episode i feel like you get to see that whole relationship sort of play out even though you're only really seeing flash points of like big significant moments it feels like a relationship that lasted 16 years there by the end like that felt like a relationship that had matured and sort of endured for for many many years yeah it's very believable um it's it's very very easy to buy joy because obviously we can tell all kinds of different stories could have gone hideously wrong right and that frank was just an asshole and took everything from him or killed him or whatever but it's just a genuine sort of anti-social closed off man who thought the whole world may end and hates the government is thriving in this environment almost but he doesn't have everything yeah right yeah and then this one person comes into his life and and totally and completely enriches it well and they have that scene right this guy this guy is bill might even describe this guy as useless as in like his talents uh are almost in the aesthetic and uh he cares about him he's aware of music but like what is what is his pragmatic use of this environment this like we didn't see a huge amount of it to the point where uh bill says immediately when he thinks he's dying you got to get joel because joel can take care of you you know like because without you like me to look after you how long will you really last because obviously he was dying when he found him but he values him more than anything well yeah because we saw that even in him allowing it's like you know he was trying to min max right bill's like well yeah but you know this doesn't serve any clear utility so why would we do this whereas you know frank is more like well it's uh you know in terms of rejuvenating the house and everything it's like what is the utility it's like i guess there's no strict utility but it makes you happier so you know like it might as well right it's kind of like that's what the two complement each other very well well they created a little paradise for themselves in hell yeah yes and uh i like that about it i really like that relationship yeah and you that kind is summed up by like the last shot where you it like tracks into the bedroom and then you focus racked from the outside to the inside in the little perfect home that they built for themselves and it represents like a life lived loved and lost yeah they have a clear exact pattern as well that goes into the right the distance i can imagine people being disappointed who are fans of the games who wanted the punished bill phase where like he's still alive when joel and ellie come around yeah like if it what if it wasn't for the line where he put the pills in the bottle enough to kill a horse it's like that's them the audience like the writers telling the audience like oh he's dead after this okay if it wasn't for that i was i was kind of half expecting bill to like show up at the very end and be like the hell are you doing in my house you know like and then the next episode would be like the adventures with what you get to see him crazy like unhinged and what this losing frank has done to him like he's driven him a bit you could tell that story i i think you could i guess by the time it was him like frank old and sick there was a thought in the back of my head of you know you could deviate from the games here like you could you could do something different and and i was sort of the longer time went on the more i was thinking i think you are i think you're about to deviate here and i think that it is a choice that's totally legitimate yeah i i think it works this is a different thematic route of because the key that makes this work i think is like you pointed out molly the line in the the letter i saved someone who is worth saving right yeah and then that and of course the subtext is that frank saved him as well you know like yeah he saved some of these lines which is exactly joel and ellie is what's going to pretty much yeah that through saving ellie joel basically sort of rediscovered this ability to care for others and something that he lost you know somewhere along the way right yeah it's a it's a funny thing right but frank reaching out and talking to tess is incredibly risky you know it leads to them having that relationship they exchange supplies back and forth and then for the point where if bill thinks he's going to die he has someone that he can you know get frank to sort of thing which and he has someone who cares about yet he leaves joel and tess uh all of his stuff it's like it was worthwhile but he's just he's just that careful that uh secluded almost even though you're getting lots of evidence that you don't have to be yeah and it makes sense that he decided to go with him you know because it's like what am i sticking around for after this like if you're gone i know there's nothing like i know what's waiting for me after this and there's just days and days going back to his old life and then yeah i want to um and it's made me think like well in the game he stuck around but then i remember in the game he doesn't know he frank died until he finds him yeah no because he was bitter about it he thought frank abandoned them right yeah they find him dead yeah which again i feel like you can't have that one in this when you've built it this way you wouldn't frank wouldn't abandon bill with the way that we are like i was saying before i remember in the games being really interested in this relationship and wanting to know more and so the show decided to do that with its unique format which i think is a good idea and if you're going to do that then this is the route that makes sense is to just let let that let let that life play out and then it makes sense for um it wouldn't make sense if you were to just stick around i don't think i like the story in and of itself and then i just like how much it what it has to say about what i assume will be the season overall but certainly joel and ellie and joel and dara and joel and tess is the reality of i quite like the bill sees a lot of himself in joel which is a both a good thing and bad thing yes yeah because i don't think in any of that montage we saw what he does for fun we just saw all of the pragmatic stuff which i think is kind of the point this is fun uh for him but as soon as it runs out then what meanwhile when you have someone you know every single day is a new experience the discussion i've seen around this episode is the for one boring as a criticism yeah i guess i'm not surprised that people call it boring but it's not but i don't find it boring i didn't think it was boring at all i wanted to see uh wanted to see what was uh what was gonna happen and uh it seems deliberate and purposeful and i'm really glad that we got to see an episode where you're kind of reminded those things do still get made actually i think it's neat to just have our main characters be guest characters in this episode i quite like the scenes with joel and bill and maybe there is a sense in my head it's like it would have been cool to have had more for a maybe punished bill with with joel and ellie all the dialogue you get with that is now not possible who the fuck is this punk and what's she doing here i am none of your goddamn business and we're here because you owe joel some favors and you can start by taking these off i owe joel some favors or some kind of joke yes sure joel go ahead take my cards take all my food too while you're at it by the looks of it you could lose some of that food listen to me you little shit no fuck you you hank hey what i said to you we walked down a steps what i say i'm just fixing your stupid pile don't touch but i suppose that is a different story that can be told there are so many that can be told so many lines that could have come out any different directions you can take i just uh i think sometimes people will just assume the alternative would have been way better instead of sort of appreciating this for what it is and what they did there's pros to both methods i remember in the game i really like the last exchange with bill it's like we square we're square and get the fuck out of my town and then that's the end and joel's just like nods he understands because there's like shit between them from the past and but it's like whatever water under the bridge and then they'll never see each other again after that i like the bitter sweet but this it works the human drama was really well executed it's a good little story really well acted yeah i thought the acting was terrific the guy ron swanson parks and wreck guy his performance was great and it was fantastic to me yeah craig mason has figured out the secret of casting comedians for a shit like this funny guys they just understand the role they understand grief like a familiarity with grief could be that a lot of jokes are drawn from pointing out just things that suck about life but in a format that we can all sort of just laugh at it instead of be depressed or anything yeah that's what i mean there's sort of a foundation of pain when you get like a belly laugh off a really funny joke not all the time but i find the best comedians you know like richard prior would joke about his personal life and go into really dark shit and he would extract like that like the comedy can speak to the core of the human experience and that includes tragedy and sadness the lake in order to be great familiarity and understanding of that seems like almost a prerequisite and maybe that's just you can translate that to a dramatic performance in a way that is almost surprisingly adept because people sometimes don't think of comedy as like deeply tragic right yeah and so i think good comedians they are aware of that but they don't really have an opportunity to utilize it on the stage because you don't want to make people sad but then when it comes time to act out a sad scene in a show like this it's very easy for them to channel into that and finally utilize it and to explain why don't say well absolutely yeah well even like as well it just it feels a little bit more vibrant than your average um storytelling as well just for example are you armed and then a gap of about four seconds or whatever it goes no it just goes why'd you take so long to say no like it just feels like something normal you would probably point out and then of course him moving into like well because i don't know it felt like something maybe i should lie about but i don't know why i thought that i don't know it's like yeah it's incredibly high stress situation he thinks he's gonna be dead anyway i don't know there's just a lot of real stuff in this that keeps me bound to it i quite like it all seems genuine it's well written yeah and their relationship felt genuine it didn't feel like it was pandering at all like it was all really like i bought it yeah acting was superb it was yeah i bought um all of it 100% everyone did a great job like as much as all of that is true unfortunately i feel like this is a because i've already seen pieces of it but you already know people are gonna take issue with this because of the fact that it's a gay couple for a whole episode if that's something you're gonna get in the way of you appreciating some great storytelling i don't know like doesn't like i don't know it just feels like a neat idea that you have a guy who is looking for companionship but has created all of the walls around him to essentially prevent all of that like yeah it feels interesting as well considering that again the apocalypse here began in 2003 and they would have met and almost you know it's kind of like the world hits pause right wherever it was at because you see that a lot right cars are all early 2000s yeah that mortal combat too i mean mortal combat was obviously in the 90s but you know like references and media and stuff kind of comes to an end there but i mean even then right the context of their relationship in 2003 it's like well yeah i mean they wanted a lot of like it feels you know the fact that they get married at the end right it's like well you're in a world where like whatever rules previously existed about saying whether or not you're allowed to do that doesn't exist anymore it just makes me wonder if that's something that kind of is like an element that can be leveraged is knowing sort of when the world hit pause for them and like how much that might have influenced sort of bills you know closed off nature like that at that time it might not have been as easy for him to sort of find love yeah it's just a thought i'm having given given that it would have been you know 2006-07 when they met and um i had to wait until the after the fungal zombie apocalypse to be able to get married to be able to live yeah to be able to live like honestly and fully right it's kind of something to think about i just go as far as saying there's no reason to desperately make the game and the show fight on this one like i don't yeah they're just so distinctly just two different concepts that are played out um and they both are done really well it's um it it feels to me like what they are doing and i imagine it will continue as the show goes on is there were moments in the game that didn't get a whole lot of time that can get more time because of the format that they have yeah it's a show you don't have gameplay to sort of get in the way of that well i don't want to say it like getting because it almost feels like what they said about halo right like i don't want to video games it's not that there's limitations it's that there's different challenges that you have to deal with when telling a story when you're making a video game where the predominant you know thing that you do in gameplay is combat it's just something you have to think about when you're like writing that story is we need this to lead into combat and we need this to be something that can organically emerge out of like a combat section or you know exploration right the balancing act there's not really a lot of time in the last of us to do a story like in the game to do that story that we just saw there it just seems like it wouldn't quite fit it would probably be a section that would be not very fun to play because it wouldn't be a whole lot of like engaging mechanics to grapple with and so it's like a story that can be told in this medium and it's like yeah that that's cool that you can tell that story and you can still essentially have it lead into where the game was anyway of joel and ellie go there they get the car and then they move on it's just that the way that bill you know interacts with them or like feeds into their story it's just different now because it's you know it's it's adaptation right this is an interesting adaptation in that it feels like they're very thoughtfully deviated from the source material rather than looking at what the source material wasn't going yeah i mean that was all right for like the dumb shooting game but like we're like yeah television writers we're gonna like we're gonna go for a real amazing story here with halo the television yeah it doesn't take with the games we're in shit all over it it doesn't exist in spite of the games absolutely it's like it's an extension of them it's an alternate telling of the games and i feel like it's reflected in a lot of the choices that like the fact that they brought the original composer along right like the fact that they brought him along to create the music for the show it just feels like it's still like the last of us it still feels like it's part of this uh i say franchise right that includes one game that i don't like at all they're like it's you know it feels like a um appropriate adjacent story in a sense to what was there in the game it has nods to the game it doesn't say anything that's like uh games aren't those dumb or we we've we've matured past that or we're a higher form of storytelling i mean just the fact that um like in this i used to you mentioned that the car was the same kind of car and like well that means you have to they had to put work and effort into finding exactly the right making sure it's the right color you know joel's got the green plaid shirt ellie's got like the red shirt with the um like gray brown undershirt there's a lot of instances where it seems like they're they're like we know what the games look like i'm gonna find ways to try and parallel like even the window right it kind of looks like the window on the menu screen not peeled up and with like you know green overcoming every single thing but it's it's kind of like similar framing that's like a happy version of that it's a happy window bitter sweet yeah a bit of sweet yeah yeah because it was a life well lived as far as they were concerned oh yeah absolutely um it is i don't know it's nice to see that the people who made this show like the writers clearly like got together and they didn't just come up with shit and throw it at that the screen and then hope that the big budget or the love of the game would carry him through seems like they really uh do want to do some stuff here they really want to write some characters and sequences and yeah i appreciate that immensely well what do you think about the idea that people don't like this because it is filler i think that only comes from a mindset who think that the only thing that can be worthwhile to watch is a progression of plot as it relates to a specific element of what they want to see because this was essentially a story that had a beginning a middle and an end that is going to assist other characters and fulfilling their own plot lines and at that point if you don't like that then my question is why are you watching what is actually the purpose is a is the progression of a plot not the means to an end to communicate what characters are like and how they behave moral lessons and themes is it all just are you are you so plot focused you forget kind of that plot can be a vehicle to explore other things that are arguably more like meaningful and emotional seems like they might be sort of losing the force for the trees here there's a lot i think to gain even with the nuts and bolts like oh did we get plot progression as i well they made it to build we got a history with who bill is and what he means to joel and tess and then they got a bunch of resources and we've developed a little bit more of a alien joel's relationship any set ground rules now for how they're going to do things going forward they have a car they have extra supplies they're moving on and you can be like oh yeah but that's not worth an hour and 15 minutes and i'd be like oh well that's i'm just saying that it's not filler if you go from the previous episode to the next episode you will have missed out a huge chunk of what happened how the fuck do they have a car we're in of course the payoff of you know ellie's gun where the hell did she get that yeah like we done setups and there's yeah there's stuff going on with joel and ellie here yeah but as you just put it i i feel like it's impossible to argue in case that there was a full story in this one episode i don't sure how filler is even identified anymore but then you have to get into the reality of like is filler always bad yep i mean remember by that logic a lot of like virtually all of like star trek and all sorts of other shows were filler there wasn't an overarching plot there was it's a journey not its destination there were plenty of episodes of a lot of television that is just um maybe house isn't a great example for the season premiere season finale of house that's like where a lot of the story for the season you could say like the big stuff happens right supernatural season one i'm pretty sure you can watch episode like one fifteen and twenty four or something and you've got a story of the season a lot of television was um a lot of tv shows weren't very serialized at all that'd be like a very loose ongoing story but otherwise it was just yeah it might pop up here yeah it's just recurring characters maybe well they're trying to get a formula that people enjoy watching and can watch out of order that's what the world was back in the day when you caught things yeah the episode on tv was the episode on tv so that's the one you're watching so that's it's a format that's still reflected in you know like those types of shows now like ncis right probably still has that same format but then you got you know now we're in the era of streaming and the era of streaming seems to have really brought to the forefront stuff that used to just exclusively be like hbo shows yeah really long movies essentially if what they mean is it's like empty calories and they're not getting anything out of it that would be i think your mistaken calling it filler at that point because that could still be valid it's just that also in this episode empty calories nah obviously but at least analogy is odd as if you don't you can't enjoy and cherish and savor things if they don't have calories in them yeah what did we learn this episode if not that that's not the way that it should be it was that was what frank was trying to tell penteach phil i think one of the mistakes being made in regard to the filler topic is that if joel and ellie aren't in the scene it's filler yeah yeah it has to be specifically hyper focused on these two characters right now and if they're yeah if they're not included i got more joel and ellie than i was expecting from how many people i wasn't expecting as much joel and ellie yeah a decent chunk of them at the end and i mean honestly one of my favorite moments is joel realizing the bill basically said make sure to look after tass yep that sucks for him even if the letter wasn't there and they like they just went to the house and said oh there's a truck cool like if they just found the keys and then they just left it would be weaker storytelling but i would still consider that bill's story being told in this universe worthwhile like i think it was worth the investment of time i think it's gonna match the whole life play out this ip is trying to make right it's like the last of us like all people yeah exactly what they've lost what they've lived what they've won the last of what remains of them as people right the last of uh the last like a more literal the the few numbers that remain of human beings but also what remains of their humanity yes that's right we're all upset well some of us are upset about the last of us too okay but like you're as good as the latest thing you've made right and neo druffman is it significantly involved in this everyone keeps talking about how it's going to go bad though it's like well should we call that out when it happens i guess what happens if it happens we'll call it out but until then i don't know man though three episodes in they've been pretty strong this is probably the best one in fact no i'd say this is the best one of the three um i would say so too yeah it's just i don't know man how many more good episodes do you have to get before you start to get on site a little bit you know i don't know how many bad ones does it take till everyone goes well i mean you know it can only guys also the dragon had a bad episode but that season was great it didn't have a bad episode and that's true now you know i take what you can get man because with this with this show so far so good is basically uh is basically where i'm at yeah and i'm i'll be happy to see another one you know keep going i'm still interested i don't know what happens next or rather i know what happens next but i'd be curious to see how you adapt it out plays out yeah yeah for as much as it's like yeah there's a great framework it's like well yeah but you still gotta have all of the talent you know directed in service of uh of leveraging it and utilizing it and so far yeah it's been like acting's been great the music's been great the production design has been phenomenal like this show is so god damn tangible and the world is so lived in oh yeah very believable you don't you don't doubt for a second that this is a real place with real people it's almost distracting with how not distracting it is if that makes sense yeah i i totally got what you made yeah well it's authentic i remember reading a bit about the the production design approach kreg was saying he has a rule with his sets is that you set it up destroy it and then set it up again make it look like an apocalypse happened and then you kind of maybe over design it a little bit maybe as opposed to like actually having a real set and then like destroying it in a realistic way and then decorating it with like foliage and like fungal growth or whatever and you have all sorts of places that are just run down and derelict anyway there's all sorts of places that are just out there that have been abandoned and they've fallen apart naturally yeah i think this has done a good job as well just with their tests and this almost message from bill that will be getting all the motivation we need to make joel do some crazy shit in favor valley yeah um specifically when we get to the cannibals plot line you know because i think one of the lines from bill is like god help any motherfucker that stands in our way when we have someone to protect yeah yeah that's the thing for me i'll be like i'm looking forward to see how all this will pay off i wonder how well they'll do it um i think that was a really solid episode i give it a big old thumb up the bum i do give it a thumb up the bum i would even say two thumbs up the bum why not yeah maybe even different bums i don't know fair mental all right well thanks for listening everybody well yeah we'll see you for the next one that's why you later everybody the fence the fence will kill the rest of what'd you bring me we're doing a little intro first i mean i always have to be the one that says hello to everybody so i feel like one of you guys should do it this time welcome to the efap show everybody whoa thanks so much rags smaller fringy i'm joined by my guests yeah we've all been doing for so long in life and yet they keep making more of it they haven't stopped do make it before they're born and they're like yeah we're gonna try this again it's like really spending all those years building up a catalog of things for you to watch when you would eventually exist oh i thought it was more so like they just keep putting out new ones and they're like this time this one's about people going through struggles it's like uh-huh yeah it's like no no no this one's different it's zombies you're like oh okay wow okay but let me guess the people are the real monsters oh i saw a discussion about that um because i've seen there have been takes on uh on episodes already episode uh three it was reviewed by Ben Shapiro and people were like i don't think he realizes the last of us refers to and then they explain a bunch of things and other people were like yeah that's the same as the people realizing the walking dead was referring to the humans not the actual zombies and everyone was like coming over themselves about how much they'd interpreted it and i was sitting there like i thought that stuff was obvious but all right yeah it's fine yeah i like the title the last of us specifically because i was like oh that's kind of neat it's like doubles up it's like not only talking about the last of humans but the last of the humanity they have we've talked about this a couple times and it's gonna be relevant in this show as it goes forward i'd imagine but my god everyone likes to use anything they can to assert how much more intelligently are than the next person huh i understood it i bet you haven't even read the book understanding themes by dr ergen foud she's like i haven't she's in vegan i felt like the zombie kills eventually got in the way of the walking dead you know where it's like every episode needs an obligatory killing of at least one zombie where it's not he doesn't really have like a narrative purpose in that episode it's just like they require some ticking boxes i think i think that was like actually yeah a requirement for that show it might have been one of all people by not having zombie encounters would you yeah and maybe they were right because that show ended up being like the biggest show in the world for a time you know it did yeah it's a good point maybe there's something to that for sure yeah well in terms of getting people to watch it i guess in terms of artistic integrity you should let people do it and you guys know about big brother right that show yeah i've heard of it did you know they made a special where i think it was a couple of episodes it ran in like i want to say like 2006 i mean fucking ages ago but it was uh a zombie special and it was like a movie or rather a tv show in terms of the quality i think that they did and the idea was it was like fiction it wasn't like reality show or anything where they run a big brother episode and like i think i mean a week into it or something a zombie infection hits the uk and so everyone in the house doesn't know that's happening and then i think they even had to present to who at the time was devina mccall like she's like terrified running in there and i think she's been bitten or something like that and i just remember thinking like that could be fun couldn't it like i mean like you know like love island or i'm a celebrity get me out of here you have that sort of shit happening but then also a zombie apocalypse in the outside world and so they actually have to go from doing these like silly survival things or it's like oh how many bananas can you get you know if you get more points better feast for you and your blah blah blah it's like it actually becomes a survival circumstance and yeah it might be potential there well if it was just like a zombie reality show the reactions wouldn't be as fun or genuine but if like you have something like big brother that's supposed to have nothing to do with zombies and then you introduce a zombie element like that like everyone is like what what's going on you almost want to it would be too unethical and iris factor but if you actually had a normal big brother episode everything's filming and then you high makeup put in an actor into the room that's pretending to be a zombie and just like slowly walking towards me you have some guy like maybe one of them is in on it and he walks up to me like it's just a fucking actor and then the guy like goes this is like you know they have blood packs and he's like oh run but then you know if you have just one guy who's like it's a fucking i'm gonna kill the zombie and he starts hitting and you're like no no no i have an actor yeah not long ago there was a story about a bank high era a casino heist you know that took place during a zombie apocalypse and that's that's really interesting oh that sounds like a great premise did you just come up with that because i don't think i don't think i would have heard about it because that sounds so good i was just thinking like wouldn't it be cool to have like a totally played straight casino heist movie and then like a third or halfway through it it's just boom a zombie apocalypse just breaks out like wouldn't that be cool to see like a similar ish idea i don't think the director would waste an idea like that yeah if you have that idea and you you know get the funding and the actors and you know the production team to make a movie like like that surely you wouldn't waste that opportunity and ruin that idea for years to come for everyone else nobody would do that right no one would do that that's that'll be done soon probably i don't need an idea any day now anyway the last of us tv show we've done one two three out of one two three four five six seven eight nine so you could say we've done the foundational part of this show we're now moving into developmental i made that up but that could be how it works i don't know we'll find out maybe one two three is groundwork two three two two words numbers that's the one i was looking for four five six feels like those are those three episodes where the groundwork right the backstory then sort of the status quo in this world and then yeah premise explain characters inside the incident and the thrust for joel to go on this adventure and then more material to further inform like thematic material that's going to be relevant throughout the season and now it's like this is the adventure the adventure has begun basically i have been on record on open bar saying that i am actually relatively critical right now of joel and ellie i think that they've not quite done enough yet but that could be made up for in this episode i've heard they have some stuff to do so i'm excited to see what that may be they got a working vehicle they drove off when we last saw them anything could happen though well it's two of them now that's the main thing there's no test there's no bill it's it's just the two of them so it kind of forced those characters to interact it's a joel can't just use tests as a means of keeping distance between himself and ellie who dad you guys ready that yeah whoa whoa number one in the will we get an opening scene ooh no no teaser this time i guess they may be done with those then that's that's a shame i was liking them yeah yeah i like the idea yet yeah it opens up with the before the event happens or if you sprinkle in how the outbreak happened like all over the world like a similar scene to the first episodes but maybe a shorter one and it takes place in Bangladesh or well and a government pov like in america right oh yeah like a soldier's pov that would be cool yeah a guy who's called up to be like yo you gotta shoot these people and he's like sure thing and i see i wouldn't be able to resist following the life of a normal soldier the normal day and then he gets given orders that are kind of insane sounding and then he meets some zombies and imagine a whole episode of that and you know how it ends he walks up to shoots a zombie sees two people like oh it's joel in a hey it would be cool if we made the guy a whole ass character okay and then yeah and then it turns out he's really shitting things right in front of well see i was actually gonna say maybe we could go as far as giving reason for why he just maybe he's been through three experiences in that day alone of people he tried to trust and were bitten and everything went wrong you know no don't play with guns young lady one of the chamber look right yay they did it they did it yeah i was wondering if they were actually gonna remember that was that from the game or something i can't remember oh no it's just a lot of films and tv shows don't remember that likes you oh right well you say there's like it's just from life is that we cover so much media where this is the complaint guns are often not um guns they always forget about the chamber around right yeah yeah and i think that you can click at multiple times without uh yeah and because you can't pull the trigger anymore the trigger's already been you know pulled it's you almost understand how this shit happens because so many people who portray guns in media have only got familiarity with guns through media yeah kind of which by the way uh you know hands up i don't i don't know anything near enough about guns but i would probably hope to hire someone who does you know the big pet peeve is when they call a magazine a clip it is pretty much every gun that isn't like a tv show now well here's the thing so many people do that in real life i can't even like fault it yeah it's like i they're wrong they'll always be wrong but if someone in the world does it i'm like yeah that's what people doing the people get it wrong in the real world we have to do this every hour gas breaks down over time this stuff's almost water back in the day we'd drive 10 12 hours on one tank they're addressing how gas breaks down over time too yep and he's saying that what we're siphoning will only work the last time good for you good for you show that's good that's a common complaint we have for shit in post apocalypse look at the technique he's got there as well where he doesn't have to you know cough up like otto top up all of the the petrol otto why don't you get some more gas here's the credit card and the mint for afterwards i shouldn't have eaten the mint first i should have used the mint first yeah how does that work it's a siphon it's when liquid travels against gravity because pressure you don't know i know it works you just said um it uses like pressure to kind of balance gravity that she says you don't know how it works like i don't know that sounds that is how it works yeah that sounds pretty unpointed yeah you literally essentially just like blow it out in a sense well i think she got the sense he was kind of reading off a page in a way where it's like that's something he remembered reading about it he doesn't actually understand the all right she got a physics at okay this is your fault then okay we need to lighten the mood ready it doesn't matter how much you push the envelope it'll still be stationary it doesn't matter how much you push the envelope it'll still be stationary what is that it's a joke book no pun intended volume two by will livingston let's keep going volume two look you get it too like t o o jesus what did the mermaid wear to her math class what an algebra what is the mermaid wear to her math class nothing because she's a slut an algae brah ha ha i stayed up all night wondering where the sun went and then it dawned on me feel free waiting the truck okay but just know you can't escape will livingston the conflict for him right now at least it comes across this way to me is that you will do everything to protect it but doesn't want to get close to her at all yeah that seems like what's happening and that's another good beat to add to that i think there's been some truck yeah they used to stick big ass plows on them and clear the roads for their tanks and such i want to see a tank you will you probably will here let's make you all nostalgic this is actually before my time oh they done this now okay they do it i thought they'd already sort of used their moment for this but there you go got something else oh my god they all doing that joke right on the reading but it has some interesting pictures no no no put that back that's not for kid right on the reading but it's got some interesting photos ellie that ain't for kids whoa the hell would even walk around with that thing get rid of that hold your horses i want to see what all the fuss is about i don't even walk around with that thing please get rid of it hold your horses i want to see what all the fuss is about oh why are these all stuck together um why are all these pages stuck together uh i'm just fucking with you bye bye dude i'm just fucking with you bye bye dude you know i initially thought they would but uh in light of our episode three discussion i do agree that this doesn't feel quite appropriate now that he's gone and he's not quite the asshole that he was in the game i think it was it's still way better to put it in episode four than three right oh yeah i think they would have been divided in the tone oh yeah because this this is much chiller than episode three yeah yeah and she was i wasn't sure they were going to do that scene she was obviously joking there's not actual like right well i look a lot further away from boston now they look like they're in the uh the play no i meant sorry that that could have been from any point in bill's life what i mean oh sure sure and the game they go to pittsburgh now but i don't know if the show's treating it as the same spot they're skipping pittsburgh there uh i think they're going somewhere else yes it's an interesting thing this is the the adaptation of a game to tv show where do you squeeze and where do you extend yeah loves well it's big oh yellow signs of the hurricane uh are they gonna follow this reasonable sort of structure of the game where you got the summer section which is pretty long and then by autumn that's when they get to jackson so i'm still very much appreciative how much they've nailed the world in this oh yeah everything like looks look at this look at that and seamless as well like use of visual effects yeah that's enough for today the direction in cinematography of this show overall reminds me a lot of breaking bad you got a lot of like steady well composed shots really nice wide shots the use of cold opens sometimes like yeah and then they they take advantage of times of their very still cameras on moments that are very like atmospheric or even oppressive yeah i'm so glad they brought the composer from the games and let him do it for the show as well just makes you all the more baffled why they didn't do that with halo it's so hard not to compare this to halo it really is more iconic potentially i don't want to ravioli ravioli give me the curiosity it's just great that they didn't forget him they brought him that is 20 year old chef boy rd ravioli not good i actually agree get us to wyomin by next morning so can we start a fire i'm freezing now why am i going to tell you wow so they've they've traveled quite a distance then do the smoke no fungus isn't that smart i was actually about to say i doubt in fact it wouldn't understand smoke yeah the people will you people people so what are they gonna do rob us well they'll have way more in mind than that okay actually smells kind of good well that would be frank's then bill stinky i'm self a rifle i don't know i feel like if i was in there i wouldn't bring a bolt action rifle i'd bring something semi-automatic bolt action requires you to like do the whole like like reload thing instead of just doing pulling the trigger is there any reason to even pick a bolt action rifle over range right like no not okay i mean like the only time that like that might factor in if you were like an actual marksman sharp shooter but virtually all the time you're gonna be the limit of the gun's accuracy not the gun itself implies that's prone to jamming aren't they potentially but if the gun's well taken care of then i i definitely would uh some maybe he just wants to do some 360 nascar it's like very true lead ass kill cams yeah can i ask you a serious question yeah why did the scarecrow get an award why did the scarecrow get a promotion all right because he was outstanding in his field that'll do because he was outstanding in this field did you read this no look at that little sweet little smile i like that yeah this is how to do it you're doing the thing yeah good job i'm sleeping in the truck will you go do that right i like the outside maybe i will wow they planted a whole tree for this show there's a few of them there's no anyone knows we're here right no one's gonna find us no one's gonna find us oh that's just she's worried well it's just she hasn't had encounters with people who don't live in there the qz yeah she doesn't have bandit-y types i imagine she has yeah whereas he is very familiar he's been born he was one what's that light out there it's the moon it's it's very bright it's very localized it's like the aurora borealis aurora borealis this time i'm sorry even you were like i can't do it you gotta let the show be a show see like all that studio lighting you like you wouldn't you wouldn't see a fucking what do you think that's a consequence of i like that he's uh he ain't sleeping yeah he's that paranoid about protecting it right now poor guy probably didn't get that much sleep but he's not gonna anyone hurt you i love that they've actually like gone out and shot like on locations wilderness you don't like coffee the thing man everything's so uh just just gritty it's real it looks like it's there i could punch it in the face nothing looks like cgi nothing makes me think that it's cgi great production design smells like very shit but coffee does a thing that's used well it's our it'll be near a settlement probably close to another city out there ain't too many of them in wyoming schian schian why is it with you long story is it longer than 25 hours so he didn't listen to the army right out of high school being in the army it didn't make me feel much like a hero or outbreak happened so he convinces me to join a group in which i did mostly to keep an eye on them keep them alive it's where we meant test and tell me meets marlene it's kind of listening you know yeah uh yeah i just realized i'd said anything because i'm actually like i want to listen now she talks me to join in the fireflies the same mistake he made when he was 18 wants to save the world pipe dream i am fireflies all well and we just got a huge thing for joel just does not believe the world can be saved it's down to individuals now you haven't seen the world so you don't know keep going for family it's about it i'm not family no your cargo and i made a promise to tess oh there you go what you try to get right i'm even tired i want to grab more sleep i'm not even tired it's uh it's an old it's an old meme but it's a good meme i did like that beat in the game yeah i'm glad they kept that it's a good way to yeah get us to a new place oh i wonder are we going to do the the the encounter that they had in mind i'm really hoping they do i really like that encounter the guy pretending he's hot yeah and john john better we know where this goes so that's obviously laying groundwork for his decision relating to her the only thing to hang on to in this world is family as he just said perfectly normal characterization but it's going to have some consequences the further we go and yeah i just you know he is no less jaded than the joe in the game he's just not as he just doesn't seem as harsh yeah i'd say so he seems a little bit softer because that's the thing a lot of people say like he ain't the joe from the game and i'm like no i different that's fine he's a bit different but i mean he's got a lot of the same core motivations oh yeah and i'm curious how how they gonna get this man through a lot of the harsher scenes that joe has to go through in the game i wonder if they'll be changed or if we're gonna just see yeah like specifically what happens during the winter section when you're trying to save it from the uh account i don't see why this man couldn't still end up doing those things well i mean we saw an episode one right when he beat the soldier to a pulp well so what people said about that was that it wasn't as much of a cold decision that's pragmatic and useful done for a reason but it was an emotional one i'm curious if we're gonna get the um the payoff of him being like all right in order to get what i want and then points at a you know map there and you better be the same spot the big trick oh that it's yeah we can jog right around this tunnel take the next oh i feel they're doing it they're doing the yeah i think they'll uh i think it was a quote from neil drachman saying that um they're only gonna change things if they think they can come up with something that's better than what they believe is in the game right it looks like we might be heading for a one-to-one with a game well maybe right i could imagine that it won't be like remaining episode will be nothing but action there'll be conversations because the idea here of course is the it looked like he was thinking to himself when he saw that blockade like it was done with purpose specifically yeah in order to funnel people into the people yeah that's what happened in the game as well when they couldn't get through on the uh on the freeway and look at that little pile for all the people that may be coming through or it could just be for zombies who knows put your seatbelt up easy are we gonna help him put your seatbelt on ellie what about the guy he ain't even hurt are we gonna help him no beep belts folks that's what does it nothing yep maybe you should have just ran that guy over well it looked to me like he was trying to avoid giving him a clean shot oh yeah fair enough you see that hole you can squeeze through when i say go you crawl to that wall and you squeeze through and you don't come out until i say okay look at me they're not gonna hit you stay down you stay low you stay quiet you need to be topping that off feeling that one shot left in there are they gonna do the uh that pile off now this is irrelevant to the game it feels like we're setting up that she's gonna have to do something yeah i was wandering there with three guys i think yeah here we go it's okay it's over we're not fighting anymore i'm gonna go home i'll tell everyone you're good is it far if you can get me to her we can be friends i didn't know up right up right what's your name i don't expect you'll let this guy live nope i certainly wouldn't you made your bed yeah i believe you that was a great scene yeah that was a great scene and uh finally i can compliment bella ramsey's performance finally yeah she was she was great this episode i've been liking her a whole lot more i have to i feel like she's uh embodying much more of ellie like from the games the personality it's it's the fact that was missing i need more vulnerability from him we're getting it yeah the tearing up behind the walls really well done yeah yeah and just uh i really liked peter pascals stress in that fight when it started up i get the sense that it was yeah it was more so about her than it was about him but also just again we're doing the thing where like encounters with a handful of people are like too infected are really stressful yeah you get sensitive yeah like one you know one misstep and you know things could really go south oh exactly and just what it all means because he's familiar with all this but she's learning all of it that's right so yeah hearing a guy begging for his mom like this is what it means right to kill someone it's something he's talking about right you haven't seen the world yeah oh yeah you can feel sympathetic for these people and maybe they are good people but look what just happened like they were gonna kill us but nothing what else do you want me to say i don't know the truth henry borrell i wonder if they set up henry and sam yeah that would be next i wonder if this is the cell where my brother was beaten to death oh you were wronged this has gone too far now you mean now that you're in the cell but before people dying was okay ratting on your neighbors to fedra they put a gun to my head have i satisfied the necessary conditions for you to talk i delivered to you he's still in the city and i think that you know that too you think i won't do it i'm your doctor oh i don't know the full context of this was kind of interesting already that you say in the henry gave up the locations for her or at least information my brother now she's asking for information that would lead to the death of that guy sort of thing you know i mean like the whoever the doctor is he's uh being forced to do the thing that he would have been punished for doing if he had done it that's uh that's tommy's voice actor it's not a fedra vehicle but they were heavily supplied oh right could be merks there it is people back they didn't leave him behind that's cool he's got a look to him isn't he will he live he does have a look will he live i don't think so no why if i had a doctor no these are dead you need a witch doctor maybe yeah in the food a rice chicken chicken a rice a rice chicken a rice chicken a rice a rice a rice chicken a rice chicken looks like Joel stabbed that guy right in the heart yeah that's good in terms of just a smart move don't don't waste ammo you know yeah i was gonna point that out and i forgot like he was like you know here's my knife it's like thank you i will use this right now yeah rip that guy i guess see uh this is this is just how it goes right um you kill because these people are very clearly like they've got issues with fedra as well as henry and sam they've got like civil shit going on but they would have had setups or any potential threats coming in and they've they've hit the wrong people at the wrong time and now they've lost people and now they are angry at our people you know i mean like it all that's how it always unfolds and this is is way better already than anything you usually get and like like how people look at the last of us twos unraveling con unraveling of like that conflict between the abby team and the and the Joel team i think that's the biggest problem if only they knew they were making the last of us two when they were making the last of us one they could have made it much more coherent this show does have that benefit so i wonder if they'll change it a little bit maybe as soon as we don't hear a truck we move are you okay i'm all right are you all right yeah i think is as i didn't hear that guy coming you shouldn't have had to him but you're glad i did right you're just a kid it's not like you killed him yeah you're really hard i mean it was my fault you shouldn't have to and i'm sorry i probably speak so i can fucking help myself with copyright but like it's just really good yeah it is really good i'm just kind of focusing looking at the actors faces and you know what they say it's really impressive i was thinking that you know this before the show came out everyone was super worried but yeah i don't know man four episodes four for four i would say i don't see how they're gonna fuck this up the rest of the few minutes made like yeah and just the he's so sorry that that part of her innocence is gone now and now he's immediately teaching her how to actually it's almost maybe a recognition that well yeah she may well have to do this again yeah as much as it's true that it's reckless to provide someone a gun she just saved his life with one so now it's like he knows what he knows yeah he's very practical about it like that was the first thing he did when she did save him was take the gun off her yeah all right give me that you put it in your pack yeah i think this i think this beat is better done than in the games where ellie shoots the guy and saves joel and joel is like angry completely no gratitude for the fact that he's obviously just about to get killed and had ellie not done anything he absolutely would have died and you just hang back like i told you to well you're glad i didn't right i'm glad i didn't get my head blown off by god damn kid you know what no how about hey ellie i know it wasn't easy but it was either him or me thanks for saving my ass you got anything like that for me joel we gotta get going lead the way something on your mind ellie i wasn't trying to disobey you back there you were taking a really long time and i thought maybe he's gotten into trouble if you don't matter what you thought i need you to listen to me i do it's just that whatever joel someone would probably say in defense of that he's still desperately trying to remain distant and cold with her at that point in the game or at least it's breaking apart in this though they've gone an angle that i really like which is he feels guilty that she's had to take a life or the equivalent of doing that yeah and also she remember she didn't put the pistol in her pack it's in her jacket yeah because he would like it so that she pulls it out in absolute emergencies while she's gonna be like no i want this on hand which i wonder if that'll have consequences yeah yeah because i um again like reactions and stuff when she shot that guy they made sure to show us for it very clearly that she did not enjoy doing that and she's just been tearing up thinking about it the whole time soon after you know not understanding exactly what she's getting into with all the bandit types but yeah i don't mean joel is fucking consumed by like trying to do this job properly feel kind of bad for him because part of it as well i was just thinking about it's like the the issue he has is not she's not just the effort of whether or not he gets to like it but she's also of an age where it's like does he have a responsibility to raise her and what i mean by that is like any and all interaction like the the porn mag for example right that's too old for you like well what do you care i'm just cargo i'm a person to be delivered and he has like this level of responsibility of like well it's inappropriate for people your age and obviously that'll just keep going on and on that's the application right beware and we're in sam oh yeah definitely i imagine next episode is going to be all about henry sam and these guys i'd be my guess just dropping us the setup first and that'll probably be a whole adventure in an episode six will be when the big thing happens with henry and sam maybe or maybe end of episode five i don't know much time they have the end of episode five because they still got to get the tommy stuff and then they got to do the winter section yeah we've got so much stuff to do these episodes are going by fast i mean there's only like eight or nine over overall there's nine episodes here oh who is this the is it like a fungal growth or oh because there was that clip in the trailer where something is rising out of a hole in the ground right right yeah well i was about to say is this an emergence hole like a gear style but i don't think yeah because wait i'm trying to oh i oh i wonder what are they doing here she's so obsessed with getting henry that she's wants to focus their efforts on uh something that you could just let go compared to this clear and present threat oh okay yeah well because uh he's like he ain't so sure about that this is the thing i already feel like i understand her mostly like she's just here oh standard leader for her vengeance well that and just the fact that like you know she's not strictly evil she's she's um oh yeah she's been led down a lot of these harsher choice this is the thing i i feel like this is the way to go you have a lot of characters and a lot of other significant antagonists they're all reflections of joel and then uh relationships are always going to be reflections of joel and ellies and of course like any big criticisms you can have of a lot of characters will likely be like well joel did ba ba ba joel joel's also like i feel like last of us too was supposed to try and point out like the consequences of that reality i just i'm trying not to talk about it but i have to it's stole my investment in this ip and this is building it back up again actually i think they'll meet sam and henry at the end of this episode that would be my guess it'd be a i wonder if they'll do the same thing as the game it's quite a um precarious inter introduction you could say ambush how did you know know what about the ambush i've been on both sides i've been on both sides it was a long time ago we did what we needed to survive you and tess so uh we'll take that of you take it however you want did you kill innocent people give me a minute get up you lazy ass clean the ass 56 years old you go shit hi good job dude i like it i like it a lot this the kind of things i'd like to see what are you doing isn't obvious i don't want someone sneaking up on us while we're sleeping oh i don't know if i'd be sleeping in eyesight of the door though yeah because around something or around the corner or the back there yeah maybe behind the couch or something when we were talking about hurting people what did you mean it wasn't your first time i don't want to talk about it he doesn't want to talk about it either i'm just saying it isn't fair your age so it gets easier when you get older no not really i've noticed you don't hear too well from your right side is it because you were shot there probably more from shooting so if you want to keep your hair when you stick to that knife did you know diarrhea is hereditary what yeah it runs in your genes that is so goddamn stupid you're losing it you're losing a big dive another good moment there interesting that's the best one of the full go better again i'm thinking it is yeah i agree actually yeah we got a lot of good work for these characters in this episode yeah i think that episode really gave us what we needed for these two oh so much stuff has been filled in uh i'm very happy yeah definitely happy that it took that direction and we really focused a lot on ellie and joel and i think they did a really good job of it it was well timed and it you know i at this point i can believe that it you know it's not too soon as well i think what happened there is it's like oh this show is going to be good isn't it like i mean four i mean four is beyond a pattern at this point you got four yeah four good episodes and a lot of clear like intentionality behind the writing yeah it was television there were a couple of things i think that have been missing for a couple people um i've been wanting both uh Pedro and Bella to be pushed a bit acting wise and uh we just got a decent dose of that in the whole episode obviously more binding the two of them together having the exterior be pretty cold and hard but also being uh worn down we just did all of that in the episode those examples are just reasonable and intelligent choices being made by characters throughout i love the fact that there's loads of just tidbits about post-apocalyptic survival that he would know and he's sharing with her like i said i like the efforts with he doesn't know what to do in terms of what to allow her to be exposed to in in the world because he's he's almost got a responsibility to actually take care of this child that's growing up outside of his job as a smuggler the gas breaking down or how siphoning works and then like explaining to the the the glass or the smoke when they were in the forest like there's many different layers of how they're uh improving their relationship and um we had pieces of that in the other episode but this one felt like a fucking you know a shotgun blast of a lot of it yeah you get the sense of this is what you know if they just kept carrying on and on and on this is kind of how they would behave and it was it was just well paced in terms of how they interacted where they still kind of draw their lines of things they don't want to talk about we got the survivally bits we got the hiding from people bits we got him you know taken control and staying on staying on track with her making sure that she's kind of the the focus of his attentions um i think this was really well done i like a i like a great deal of it i'd be surprised if people don't think the bella ramsey's got um a bit more clout now as in like the she's got certainly with me i was i wasn't impressed before this at all but this episode really i'm i'm really down with it now i think uh she's doing a really good job and i think what they're telling her to do is very good uh the certainly the other half of it that you can't forget i just feel like what we're seeing here is um is like the value that can be derived from using television as a format to retell the story is just the amount of time that is afforded just gives them a few more opportunities to build up these characters in their relationship and and give like important moments in the game a little bit more time to breed than they might have had before i like the delaying of having more clicker stuff for now yes and then i feel like very soon we're gonna get a heaping serving of that with whatever's under the ground there i get the impression that uh the next episode's gonna be a bit explosive that would be my guess i'm just so ready for more of it um i yeah yeah absolutely i want to see more is funny enough being in uh muted like i already enjoy you know the guy who's like begging her not to take that second shot and he's explaining it and she's not taking it she's looking a little bit sympathetic and then he just sort of looks over at joe as he's starting about to stand up and it's like yeah good luck convincing that guy the one you were just trying to kill like it's it's so over for you sort of thing the little here i say micro expressions uh all over the place just like it's something that um you can get in video games definitely can especially with the technology the place is at now but when you have a full on actual human being doing a top-notch performance just like yeah this is obviously a power you have with uh tv you get to record it straight into the screen and um oh man just joe being like just go stand behind the wall and then he's just tearing up listening to that guy just has to be killed we've got no choice he has to die that was a great stage yes there were a lot of great scenes though in this episode which is yeah probably the reason why we did a we did a mini arc thing she first tells the jokes and he's like shut the fuck up even says like no and and you get that strict impression of like yeah this is he knows what this means we tell jokes i find them funny exactly we can bond it's like no it's not happening all the way to the end where she tells what did he just he can't not laugh because whatever he's human and it's it's the whole thing she's cracking through him she's restoring his humanity yeah it's part of what is so great about this relationship and how um it looks like they're getting there i like the build-up of her firing the gun in the game when she saves joel it's like a surprise reveal where like it's on the gunshot or right after yeah this it's like you hang on ellie and it's like oh shit i'm doing this like i don't know if we're gonna be the same after this but i have to you know well because yeah she's she's got a couple things to balance at first right do i use the knife i could use the gun and i've got to get through the wall i got it like all these different things that happen and she's clearly uh dealing with all of it and then i don't think she knows that she did the right thing when she shot him as well yeah i like that she paralyzed him and it's like oh my god his legs don't work forever now if he's gonna get out of this alive yeah like she's dealing with having done that to him when joel's sitting there like he's dead so you know this is yeah and then that follow-up conversation where even joel is like it's not like he killed him but like the reason joel's saying all that shit is he recognized pretty easily this has had a huge effect on it and it's not something that he's supposed to prevent stuff like that from having to happen the reason why you know you could argue this another reason why she doesn't get to have a gun is that she'll never need to have one yeah despite her trying to hide how devastated she is by it i think which is what we need it i'm very i'm really happy that after it all happens and she saves joel he's not angry at her for doing it like he's very rational about it he says no keep the gun because i know that it actually might help just keep it in your backpack you know it it's just a very rational course of action to take and i like that well and it's like unless they're meaty he'd be like well you shouldn't have that gun i told you not to have and that's all they would have focused on it i would have been like oh boring yeah it's because there are a few things happening at once it's like thanks yes but also i failed you shouldn't have needed to do that and also your feeling things because of this choice that you made it's uh it's a few things going on all at once and then you basically get to explore a good chunk of that in their subsequent scene yeah i suppose his irrational anger in the game at that moment is a bit justified because this that scene in the game where joel's about to die is a bit more disturbing to watch like where he's holding the guy's holding joel underwater and he like pins his hand down so he can't grab the gun it's like oh my god yeah and you can argue he's not going to be very hyper rational in that moment it's all very stressed and strung out right after this just happened meanwhile here this this is a different version and he's able to very much understand even through his own experience like so you've just done something that's going to affect you significantly you're super young i remember what it was like all that kind of stuff and and just he doesn't know what to say because this he's not no fucking training for like how you're supposed to talk to somebody who's just taken a life yeah she highlights that and so this conversation is really awkward and he just cuts through the shit and just says i'm i'm sorry you shouldn't have had to do that yeah it's not even about consoling her necessarily he's just trying to get out that like i never should have let that happen fuck yeah with a case like this where you have pre-existing material to work with when you're adapting it there's the opportunity to distill and simplify scenes like that uh beat where the truck crashes in the game it's a much bigger set piece there's a whole bunch of enemies it's like a big fight but then this it's just like three guys because that's all we need for this scene to get all the beats across we just need to boil this down to three well as i mentioned right this seems to be something of a system they probably have set up and they probably have shifts right it's just whenever um another car comes in we can fuck them up take them hostage and maybe even kill them or bring them in there's obviously something going on with this whole area but the fact is like i said they they just they hit the wrong people it's gonna have you know big old consequences but that's kind of this world and whatever one's about it's like the further you go out or the different places you visit people are just not ready to trust you they're gonna kill you because they expect you to kill them and then what happens they get killed by you because you're expecting them to try and kill you and so you kill them yeah but to be fair they shot first so fucking hey that's yeah you're getting a fight well and this is the thing i was thinking about it could be that had they you know gotten out of their car they're like are you okay man and then he pulls a gun on them and then he's like don't move hands up you know on the floor and then they eventually get incorporated and spared and join this crew that could be how they get new people in the fact is like you don't get to decide the the way that people join and so people may just try and fucking kill you and that's what this world is and i just appreciate that that's this is good as uh supporting how dangerous it all is but it's also just big for ali to have to go through and like i said that scene come across to me i think he would have been a lot more calm if it was just him joel like he'd be like i'm killing them or they kill me that's just that's how this works but knowing like i can't die because i have to take care of ali yeah it just raises the stakes for him as a character and you know for us even to the point of like uh when they're in the forest and he's like uh she says no one no one's going to find us question mark sort of in the forest and he's like no one's going to find us it's not even about whether or not they would it's just that it's a matter of him trying to state i will protect you no matter what it is my job and i i just appreciate that they're making that very very strong and it's um even throwing in the whole um he wanted to save the world it's a pipe dream firefly is the same the lot of them they're all fucking wrong there is no saving the world it's like wow as it makes you wonder are we gonna see joel as he starts to open up uh to ali and um come to really care for a that maybe he'll even start to lean towards the notion of especially if she starts to adopt the attitude of wanting to save the world right it's like that conversation with everything that we've done everything we've been through it can't be for nothing like that mindset yeah i imagine that i actually have that verbatim and it would just be a situation where maybe joel's like you know maybe you've got a point and then you know you get the the reveal of what's about to happen and then he just abandons it straight away and then maybe something that they actually clash on maybe he starts to see that ali adopts that attitude and he's like i'll be the most controversial episode yes it will i know because they're probably not going to follow the game they'll they'll make tweaks i know i think literally down to individual words being used are going to have huge effects on the discourse yeah i don't know so far it's been pretty good i don't know what else really has been and this is the thing though i don't i don't mind if they do change it so the if the fireflies were a lot more altruistic and the the cure is actually in stone they say like we just need to harvest what's in your brain and that is it and it's done and we have always prepared to create the cure you could push it to the point where it was the world or her and you could still maintain what i think is the point of the last versus an ip possible but i suppose i'm also worried about what they're gonna do with the doctor are they gonna let us know there are things that should be changed when you're doing a thing like this i mean when you got this all new serialized episodic format you look for opportunities to condense events like the the truck crash that happened when it as it does in the games but the beat where she uses the gun to save joel from like almost being killed that happens way later in the game but they saw an opportunity to like well let's just do it here and then we can get that out of the way it doesn't it's not forced in like you know making it happen quicker than just because it happens later in the games doesn't mean it's forced in this case that it's happening quick more quicker well and i hate to is episode three not vindicated somewhat we got huge payoffs for the fact that they had the car the gun and how many instances were there in this episode of joel doing something that relates to his almost getting to the point of insecurity in in the she she matters more than anything right like the failure with seara the failure with tess bill telling him it's his job and the relation he had with with frank being like parallel the fact that she said no one's gonna find us in the forest right and even rags point i was like of course not and then he stays up all night on watch anyway yeah because yeah that's that's joel right now is and i i feel like the job of episode three is is come through already and we haven't even gotten to the big payoff of this whole season well yeah we still got a lot more uh we got a lot more story left but after next week it'll be halfway through which is kind of crazy it feels like it's flying by when you watch the four of them together you've got the package now yeah exactly patience it's a whole season of television well it reminds me like you know some people were very scared that tess was going to be in it for ages like she wasn't and it's like are they even gonna do a payoff with like more more joel and ellie where the fuck are they and it's like we've got it now there it is oh now you've got a whole episode that's very much was focused on you only had a little bit of stuff to set up the main conflict for the next episode here this was a very focused joel and ellie episode which was obviously needed but i mean yeah at this point it's like man i feel like we've done a lot of work so far we're in a really good place to keep going with the rest of the season with more of the plot stuff maybe i call it that like more of the main plot beats from the game like that lady is going to be our it could be that she's knocked out next episode as an antagonist i think like that they've given us you know a quick and simplistic sort of like this is who she is already so i'm curious what the next episode is going to focus on probably henry and sam yeah i like the reveal of them at the end i like that that is the episode cap because we know like they have a beef with the whatever the name of the organization i don't know if it's a wlf or whatever but like you know like they have a problem with henry and sam and then at the end you see that they're holding joel and ellie at gunpoint but you're thinking like well they're probably gonna work together and yeah i hate both of you but i do quite like the reveal of those two characters in the game there's a nice little sequence of events there just take it easy it's all right they're not the bad guys lower the gun and then everyone's just like whoa everybody just chill out yeah i like that uh beating the game a lot but this was fine i mean dude i'm looking forward to the idea that they will have their conversation they'll calm down then they'll team up and then we'll do lots of things can be achieved certain decisions will be made that identify the fact that this isn't a team this is two teams of two and the and then we'll get the other thing that will happen i'm trying to remain relatively spoiler free here because i don't know how much rags remembers nor how much people who are watching this remember lots of great potential to come is the way i would put it really strong episodes i'm still hooked and that uh cracked ground thing is really cool it's like oh what's that gonna be well yeah i'm just like you're you're actually giving me a setup here that i want to see resolve i want to see what happens with the things that you presented me yeah it's not i'm not rolling my eyes because like oh let me guess doh doh doh will happen it's like no i really want to know i think you've got something in mind yeah it's like a little nuclear warhead of sorts they have in that room i love the discovery on it and it looks so creepy and then they're just like holy shit and they back out close the door let's not go back in there it seems like they have some level familiarity like they know what it is right yeah i certainly fucking don't i have a feeling small people infected are gonna crawl out of there and if we get them led by a bloater i think fads will be like yeah you're doing game things in this game show yeah i think we got a lot of the beats that were required they've adapted with respect and care they've got joel is like talented and cold we're necessary i would say um he's also like i said warmer than the game and i don't think that's a downgrade at all i think it's just different even though um there are plenty of moments where he's perfectly warm and chill with with ellie certainly by this part into the storyline as well do you know what's not right left yeah that's awesome would you play this before no but i had a friend that knew everything about this game apparently there's this character called angel knives who'd what was it she'd punch a hole through your stomach before kicking your head off i'm never a big fan of these things ellie was so fucking confident and smug in the in the first three mostly it's really good to drag her into something that's really fucking hard to deal with and watching her actually have trouble with it it's like good needed that too just the fact that they're helping each other the banking on the setups in episodes one two and three all at once and um i like i said four and five i can't imagine it's not going to be fucking engaging it's just that everyone's panicking about where it ends that's all yeah but you know it's not about the destination it's about the journey all right and so far so good i don't know what to say yeah so far so good definitely impressed with it all right thanks for watching everybody see you from episode five yeah we will see everybody later on thanks everybody bye bye bye they put a gun to my head desert eagle can shoot through anything what'd you bring me hi welcome last of us episode five and it ended exciting i thought you're gonna go really like information based like hello episode five e-fap last of us tv show the problem was i jumped right into it and i was figuring it out in real time like what is the tone i want to go for here am i going for goofy or am i going for serious or am i going for something in between and i'm not sure what i settled on there well as is usual with these sorts of things i say is if we've done this one before this is actually the first of its kind in terms of a format because it's different than the hillhouse one very different than like mando kanobi this is like complimentary i don't think anything compares appropriate as the proper inaugural e-fap tv you know except velma i'm weird and no one likes me velma popped out right i'm i'm happy to i'm happy to pretend that this was the beginning of velma was just a sin that arrived around same time well what i was gonna say about that is is an interesting dynamic with this one especially because we're not just being complimentary and trying to give it room to breathe where it requires it i mean that in both how we analyze it but also how it's presented i actually wanted to start with that a lot of people have been bringing up like in in both complimentary and criticism the um the cuts between the show in the game in these edits what criticisms do they have i'm legitimately curious because that is insanely helpful for like me who remembers very little of the game in a lot of compliments which makes sense but uh the criticism include like you're taking away from the experience by like randomly cutting into different media instead of the same one like you not random it's far from random well literally the show the scene from the game that they're either trying to somewhat redo or base their thing off of so i wanted to explain there's like three big reasons number one would be uh yeah for the sake of looking at how faithful this thing is or how it compares to its source material and you might be like you don't do that with other stuff so like we don't do it with things we're not that familiar with that's just how it works um been this way since the beginning we talk about how faithful a thing is if we have the chance to be able to talk about it we often don't because we don't know the source that's just a reality for most people but remember how faithful it is does not determine how good it is we've always been on that position but we've always said hey man it's interesting to have the adaptation conversation like oh did they change this and this like why would they do that do you think that that change matches the thing they're creating or does it take away or is this a mistake through rushing and and compressing or is this something that they expanded and you know fixed up or whatever we've had plenty of those concessions and i think that those clips help people who aren't familiar secondly it is helpful dramatically you have no idea with copyright of all things you may you may not have thought but that that is like one of the primary things that was really helpful if i can show you a full scene of what happens in this story like by side with the game you get to consume almost the whole story from the uh the tv show without it being angry and shutting the whole thing down so that's another reason why it's super useful then i'd say third and finally um i think it is quite entertaining to to watch i think it actually does add to to see these two mesh i try to build them in a way that doesn't like you get the similar payoffs as they're running next to each other while simultaneously matching for copyright like i said as a protection but i think it works but i i just want people to know it's there for several reasons and it can't go away anytime soon nor can i think it's very helpful that's that but look i'm gonna resurrect something even though it would never really truly die i just kind of didn't do it for the other ones because i was just busy getting these things done but you're you guys remember a little thing called comment showcase it's the thing that just got a name really doesn't need one it's just us looking at comments because i saw a consistent set of comments about uh episode so like the vibe i think was that we were too nice to the show in episodes one and two episode three you everyone's familiar with the discourse over that one it's nightmarish it's all over the place so good and i actually feel like we happily did a decent job at the end of episode three going through the major ones like it being filler boring irrelevant to the main plot line irrelevant to the main characters i think we gave our takes on all that episode four they're our criticisms and there are things that people feel we did not cover as well so we're gonna just check out a few of them probably take it in the little turns topic number one is kathleen the lady who is in charge seemingly of the kansas city uh rebels chiefs i guess uh we'll just go left to right nice and simple for you to want to read this first one i found the leader of this kansas city group to be very disappointing she's clearly not a proper leader ignoring dire court aseps related problems to focus on her own vendetta shooting an unarmed prisoner during an emotional episode who is a doctor and will most likely help heal people in need or without the threat of death and setting up ambushes and getting weirdly upset someone would escape and survive it she doesn't have any charisma or natural leadership skills she's just a lady in charge because she's the most mad about losing her family it seems like i just don't understand how anyone could take her seriously i get the leader of the group wanted to kill the doctor but she had a situation where she was reminded of the possible need for a doctor and shot him anyway there was a reason why being educated was considered a valid defense in death penalty trials for the last few centuries when doctors are worth their weight in gold it's not a good idea to kill them keep them prisoner by all means but it seems like a stupid decision even if motivated by emotion lady up and killed one of the most valuable commodities in apocalypse a real doctor you keep those pukes locked up teaching babies everything you know until they die of old age if he done bad then you lock him up underground teaching anything that can move and isn't infected that said i find it hilarious that they have crazy mommy shoot a doctor in such cold blood over a child considering what two is all about sure every dumbass intellectual tripped over themselves demonizing joel and with kukman desperate to rewrite history to make zebra man the messiah of the apocalypse but i'm sure this will have no bearing on anything and will never be referenced so it seems there is a consistent problem with the idea that she killed a doctor and that she seems to be overly emotional and she shouldn't be leading well i mean the show is very clearly trying to tell you that this was not a decision that was made based on rationality that she did this when she was at least convinced herself in ryan sam i assume we're still out there and killing her people and that made her very upset and angry she has some sort of a very emotional connection to them and that's why she shot him as far as i'm aware it's not much in the episode but it's there so she makes it clear that the doctor is someone who ratted out people to fedra like just to clarify for anyone listening the situation is in kansas city fedra have control and they boss everyone around to the point where they likely did some horrible horrible things i'm assuming we're going to get more context on that um including but not limited to torture and kill uh for information about rebels trying to breach the system and there were people who worked with fedra to sell out their friends and family for whatever reason again with who sam and henry are in the game i imagine we're going to get a reason for that i doubt they're going to leave it just that he just sold out her brother and the brother died that seems like it would be unusual by the way the the theme of what i'm saying in this opening is going to be we need to fucking wait before we can judge all these stories because they're not been told yet everyone's jumping the gun and that's been what's happening throughout this whole season but i think we're going to get a reason for henry and sam doing that but hey we may not with her she expresses that she's got some serious like love for her brother as you can tell and she wants to kill sam and henry for having led to his death now i don't know more than that but the doctor didn't lead to a brother's death he just led to other people's capture and death and it seems to me with the aggression she has against fedra in their control that it's funny because gary brought it up in open bar i think after we talked a bit about it he said like even if they're a doctor you've got to be fucking careful as hell with someone like that if you don't trust them they can subvert you in all kinds of ways especially a doctor they can get they can still kill and make people live depending on whatever they want if she just doesn't trust him all you need to know is that it's enough for her to execute him and that kind of like cold attitude is um something a lot of people will flock toward for leadership depending on what she's done in the past but the thing is as you can tell from these comments a lot of people are like how did she earn the role why would people have elected her it's like we don't actually know yeah we don't have a lot of information on her how many how many minutes of great time did she get like five minutes maybe if that very little when he pleads with her that he's the one that brought her into the world she has like some a decent bit of acting there if someone is brand new clearly there's more dimensions to her that are going on but it as freaky points out in the episode live she's overwhelmed with vengeance and of course people think he likes right as that she is going to fail like her narrow focus on getting revenge to the detriment of to the exclusion of these more present problems is gonna have serious consequences for her in her group that's like the point obviously that last comment references how like she's making the same apparent mistake that uh like the Joel was making it's like is everyone going to comment that it's like I think this episode about that so that last comment struck me as odd it's like you do sort of recognize that the show is painting her as an antagonistic force right she's probably going to get killed by the bloater and she'll probably die in a scene that is like her choosing revenge instead of focusing on the infected yeah it'll probably come to a place where it's probably going to be the easy setup you're going to have a bunch people from disparate groups who are in this area together and then you have like you know bloater bunch of infected coming and it's like well we could all work together or we could fight and the world fucked which is and also ties obviously into broader themes that usually happen in post-apocalypse stories about how all of these divisions that people draw between each other probably should fall away in the face of a crazy existential threat but people can be stubborn and we don't know how popular she is she might be holding on to authority by a thread there might be a lot of people who do not like her being in charge we don't know if other people also make decisions or if she's only in charge of a certain branch I find it all a bit awkward where it's almost like it sometimes seems like what's baked into it is listen to her voice it's not very threatening that kind of sort of read of the character it just strikes me as a little bit odd yeah um like I mean why it's so hard to believe that somebody like this could end up being a leader I guess I'm just a little bit perplexed by it well yeah if that's the challenge if people like can you explain any environment in which this could be possible in a post-apocalypse and drinker did on on open bar is just saying like well society hasn't collapsed for them they're building something there she if she's got the right qualities or she's proven herself in whatever way if she organized them to destroy Fedra then yeah they're gonna put a lot of trust in it all she needs is a selection of people that um are powerful do hold influence there that do think she should be in charge that's enough and that can happen with anyone but the big thing for me is just like can we please have a little bit more from it before we uh we decide this is absolutely nonsense right because again five minutes maybe I want to find out a bit of her history her motivations for like why she's doing all of this I want to know I'd be it'd be cool to know why she's in power I don't know if we'll get it and uh same for Sam and Henry I want to know how they interact with her and I think that's what this whole episode is going to be about what the whole thing is going to be is that for as disarming as she may appear she's probably going to be quite ruthless and she's willing to just like shoot people and kill them well I mean we've not that already that should be which I think is easily coming from the fact that that's what Fedra did to them for 20 years she's that kind of character it comes across to me uh someone that I was thinking about was for anybody who's watched it uh House of the Dragon the kind of character the women in the world of Westeros a lot of them speak softly are calm but they will kill you in an instant and then they have plenty of guys around them that respect the the decisions they make and sort of work as their right hand their fists so to speak and if she's that kind of character it'd be cool to see I don't really mind I'm I'm gaming for a lot of different things uh I don't have a screenshot of this one but I saw a lot of people saying it uh I didn't manage to grab it in time it was um how fucking retarded that they put all that effort into making Joel smart enough to put glass down and yet he's attacked by surprise dumb oh uh yeah so that failsafe isn't 100 effective obviously Ellie even said like are you sure you're gonna hear it and we don't even know you know the you know the the people who get past that they don't know if they're aware of it they might have seen it and gone around it there is the board counter and then there's the specific counter the broader is pretty much what you've done there and and yeah like this you can subvert traps that's the thing and traps are not guaranteed well it's not perfect but it's something but the specific one is super interesting the pov thing they're not unwilling to do uh the big pov film so I'm assuming we're gonna get Sam and Henry's uh pov and they don't have to because I know how it can work but they might show they put something down to make it make that sound they they move around it it'll be cool if they acknowledge it but I don't think they even have to the cool detail and this was pointed out a couple of people in chat uh sorry in comments I didn't actually notice it was highlighted that um Joel's right ear is uh fucked basically from overly shooting I've noticed you don't hear too well from your right side is it because you're a shot there probably more from shooting he doesn't favor he favors his left and so if he's sleeping on his side which he is in the scene he goes to sleep on his right ear meaning his left ear is open and out when he's woken up he's sleeping on his left ear meaning his right ear was up point being he turned over during his sleep and his his less favored ear was the one he was relying on which I think is kind of neat to put together um that is something they point out there's a neat detail yeah I don't think you can blame Joel for turning over in his sleep right that's just something that you do that was really nice touch and I think also it's conceivable they could have come in through a window or something um not necessarily that door I mean they've they've been escaping uh these people for however long they must be careful with everything they do and remember that the big thing as well is they are he's main like Joel doesn't know about Henry or Sam he's worried about these guys and so the logic of going up there in the first place and sending those traps was to be safe against those guys not other people in the the city you know that they're not aware of his agents that are moving around in a very good at getting around safely it's a pretty good system that he came up with I don't find it it's funny weird where it's like ha it failed it's like yeah I guess they do sometimes yeah I'm just going with you it's kind of kind of good we have different results instead of just they always win or anything consistent results yeah he didn't provide her with a gun she took it from bills uh and she's also killed before preferred the game version tuba tuba and uh the second one you uh you spend a lot of time discussing that Ellie was changed by having to shoot that guy she mentions more than once that she's done it before the writers probably shouldn't have included that but they did I think she says she's done something before she's hurt someone before I don't think that killing a person or whatever she's done in whatever context she's done is going to change the fact that she had to do what she did in that scenario he also didn't want to talk about it when Joel asked her about it yeah I would say that our major points are just that her acting and the writing shows that this had a huge effect on it and Joel recognized it whether or not she's killed someone before it still had a huge effect on it is what's important and then uh just I'm not sure what the whole like he didn't provide it with the gun she took it from bills but did we say anything different yeah I I mean we saw that saying what do we think he got or is of course you know we know that we think she got the gun she got the same gun that um Frank took out when he went outside to defend Bill who's from the same place as well as it is that very good yeah um yeah I know she took the gun and then saying um preferred the game version I'm not sure exactly what part you prefer but uh I prefer the show vision for sure on that one specific scene if it's the specific scene of her shooting the guy then yeah the show is better on that one yeah I think so but we will it's a scary thought isn't it well let's think I'm I've shat enough on how the the game does things better than show but I think there are times now where there's the show doing things better than game but we've got this one I guess I'll read this here I go I completely disagree that this was better than in the game his cruel words and treatment give Ellie a time to stand up for herself while reinforcing Joel's view of her as a burden which makes her arc uh his arc more impactful because he grows to view her as a daughter he's already treating her like a fatherly figure in episode four by trying to shield her from the horrors of the world in the game he made sure she stayed behind because he didn't want a liability and needed to protect his cargo in the show he doesn't want it to be traumatized and obviously protecting the cargo a small difference but it has big impacts on other characters of view I don't see Joel as a hard and jaded man that doesn't give a shit about strangers his arc will be less impactful and I'm not okay with that there's a lot here it is a lot it is a lot his cruel words and treatment give Ellie a time to stand up for herself while reinforcing does this so I assume they're talking about the game version they are indeed the scene where he says to her like you just hang back like I told you to well you're glad I didn't write I'm glad I didn't get my head blown off by god damn kid that's almost meta where you're appealing to what his words allow her to do as a character or would allow her to do as a character when in Joel's perspective that wouldn't really be a reason why he said those things what they did in the show was they had Joel essentially recognize that she did ultimately save him and he doesn't get angry at her for doing that he gets very becomes apologetic to her that she was put in a situation like that that he shouldn't have allowed to happen which is a different way to take it but I think is ultimately really really excellent and comes across as more fatherly to me actually well so that's part of that criticism I guess he's too fatherly he should be it's too far away too early that's too early yeah that's the thing I don't think this is too early at all I think we've already done yeah we're in episode four so I want to bring up his violin this whole his cruel words and treatment give Ellie a hard time to stand up for herself give her a time to do it while reinforcing his view of her as a burden they actually did this in episode three nobody made you go along with this plan you needed a truck battery or whatever and you made a choice don't blame me for something that isn't my fault easily looking at it almost like a noi because that's almost expected that this whole thing wouldn't have happened if not for this new mission they had that was thrust on them because of all the shit that happened with Robert and Marlene in a way you could see it as though if if if Ellie never existed Tessa be alive and she cut through all of that immediately which I think shows some level of emotional intelligence on her part yeah and then of course in response to that he's gonna see her which he does at that point and has done as fucking this this thing I've got to deal with but at the same time she is a kid and we've talked about how they've been chipping away at that be it through her jokes or her commentary on anything her way of trying to interact with him what bill has said how she reflects Sarah how she reflects Tess and then like having to worry about what she should be exposed to and stuff I think they've they've done all the beats they require and the thing is you might want to replay the game he's already similarly as fatherly to her at this in the similar timeline I would say now the safety zone do you know how to switch it off I do you just you gotta respect it this is not good Joel I'll be careful okay yeah because you gotta think about where these events take place in the context of other major beats because the really important thing with the Henry and Sam beat is that's the thing that makes Joel want to get off you know he he doesn't want to really do this anymore he wants to pass this off to this part of the reason why he wants to pass it off to Tommy he don't want to deal with the with like this feeling of um the peril that she's in and how culpable he's going to be if she gets hurt or killed that's one of the things that's informing in any way and in terms of the timeline you know episode four is about close to that as uh the payoff was in the game as well to which one might be able to say it's like well maybe he should be a little bit further along in terms of warming up to uh to LA by this point I think one could even make that argument as criticism of the game because part of what I like about the show's vision is yeah you shot someone and save me so you take the gun off and then he's like okay fine here is the gun this is how you use it use it for emergencies like that seems the most reasonable development meanwhile in the game he takes it off it says she did something wrong and then she's later on it's just like you're an asshole I I didn't break your rules for any other reason than I thought you were in trouble and she says uh whatever and then after that he's like okay I need to go down there and do things here's a rifle keep me covered and it's it's like you're supposed to gather I think from the subtext in the game that it's like you see he does trust it with guns now and it's like yeah but nothing was given back and forth between the characters it was more so just um you know you shouldn't have done that I saved your life and he's like and then gives you the rifle like okay while the conversation the show I found to be way more meaningful and this is someone who really likes the story in the game just saying I just think it's kind of the problem that I have with the comment is there's not much of a it's like it's it's more so just pointing out how it's different from what the game had and then sort of consequently will be less impactful without much consideration for how the changes that were made so this payoff here will feed into the arc that they're sending them on in this show which may be different than what was in the game well like there's not much consideration to anything that was gained by doing it this way it seems to almost be being treated like a strict loss yeah which is a bit weird right considering that it's like well surely you would have to acknowledge that what's being created here in terms of more elements of a feeling of he failed and so she had to do that and then loss of innocence or if you know something along those lines like that that as a dynamic there's got to be something there right or is that is that neutral is that of no value at all part of what seems to be said in this comment is the um that's something you would gain like a fatherly expectation trying to protect it from particular whatever experience is that you should protect it from someone engaged with some that's a fatherly thing it's like no i'm pretty sure that is just a basic humanity thing if you're moving as an adult if you're moving a human child around different places they're just automatically this happens in real life if you see a kid fucking around with something or about to eat like something off the floor you as a person like oh uh you shouldn't be doing that that's whether or not their cargo and so like having those elements is that's part of why the last verse is awesome it it chips into him with some other things that surround the idea of becoming fatherly to it and then it will generate that that relationship oh and of course by the way that i'm just not because in the game he made sure she stayed behind because he didn't want to liability so this is that ludonarrative dissonance coming back in ellie is an active participant in combat yes and not to mention that uh you can't even make that argument for the comparison because he gives her the rifle almost straight after that yeah but that's a big one actually she actively participates in combat she'll like throw bricks at people she'll stab people with the switchblade like in close quarters combat so like joel is clearly pretty comfortable with having her be in the fray yeah he doesn't keep her like out of the whole area or anything but in fact that actually seems like it could present a serious problem and then at least facilitating the argument that you're making about like the arc that he's going on and so when they say a small difference but has big impacts on the characters of view it's like i think i agree with you but i'm obviously gunning for the positive effects i'm like these small changes with having really good effects and then to say i don't see joel as a hardened jaded man that doesn't give a shit about strangers so first of all joel joel cares about strangers very much yeah he helped henry and sam not only that he he is so hyper aware of the average person that he doesn't trust basically anybody until he's in situations where he has essentially they've proven themselves by circumstance like henry and sam they could in the game have shot him when they met but they don't and that's quite a bit already for him to trust them then they find out that they're they're similar in that they're both being hunted by the local like rebels and so then they slowly connect and yeah he um he goes on limb for them a decent bit so i would say game joel cares about strangers and so does show joel so i i don't agree with that part then game joel and show joel are hardened of course they are well how would we rate hardened he executed a man by stabbing him in the heart like i i think that makes you hardened like i don't know man yeah and of course killing like other guys as well whether it's the game or the show i think joel is absolutely intended to be seen as a hardened jaded man who's somebody who has been a smuggler in this hellish world for 10 or at least 10 years i want to go further than saying he is i want to be like what is hardened and it relates to like being able to do these really harsh things with uh bailey what seems to be a bailey and kind of emotional effect on you you're that far along in experience now you know what needs to be done subject of jaded he literally says there's no saving the will saving that it can't be saved and that you have to it's much more tight knit in terms of your priorities so i would say that he is hardened and jaded and you're wrong on the statement that either of them don't care about strangers the point being made here is that the show the show is like actually pretty good um so far well yeah and the whole his arc will be less impactful can you please wait until his arc is over wait until it's over and then we'll see you know because uh i think they've got lots of pieces in place that could make it really strong i don't know it just feels like um it feels like even this far into the show it's like a lot of people aren't willing to give it a chance well to play out on that note rags read this last comment four is beyond a pattern the show is going to be good game of thrones had four good seasons but after that i get you want to be optimistic but the reality is a four good episodes is just that four good episodes it's more likely the show will be good but it's still very possible they'll hillhouse midnight mess it up especially considering how the two second part of what they're adapting went i'm just saying be cautious with your optimism so um before seeing any of the show i probably would have said it's going to be bad then someone would be like it's made by the guy who made shinobal yeah but neil druckman though it's like neil druckman made the last first part one at least with a lot of people it's like yeah but look what he made recently okay all right fine that seems like it's relatively reasonable you can say it's gonna look in looking bad watch episode one it's like that was pretty solid uh i mean it might be okay watch episode two it's really solid you're like uh i don't know still fine watch episode three like damn that was even a risky move and you managed to nail it uh i don't know yeah sure maybe watch episode four really solid and filled in a whole bunch of blanks we were looking for it's like at this point it's like well i would just be lying to you if i said that i thought it was still gonna be bad of course i now think it's gonna be good i felt the same way for house the dragon i would have said the same for hillhouse and midnight mass as we were watching i'd be like this is gonna be great in fact midnight mass after a couple of episodes i would have said this is gonna be fucking amazing well i think it's it's relatively straightforward right by the end of season four game wow i guess before the finale right because that's where you think it goes bad if somebody went into season five with the expectation that it would be good nobody would say that's unreasonable yeah i think the position right now is that the show will be good yeah because the other one would just be assuming that it's gonna completely collapse base when all of the input so far has been positive we've had loads of standard setups and payoffs we're running characters in a very consistent way they seem to care about how they build their world and they seem to pay attention to like ammo and gun limitations as well as human limitations for a lot of things characters have made some pretty clever decisions here and there i'm not going to say it's flawless because it isn't a lot of detail on the production standpoint but when you see all of those values being repeated you're like all right i think there's there's good reason to assume that this will be repeated in the future episodes because these are all made together i don't see why i was gonna guess i would guess that it would be good but uh you know you can appeal and rightly so it could be anything could be a disaster that we're about to see in episode five six seven eight nine that could be yeah it could be could be doubted though i just yeah i think uh if we're gonna be betting on one thing right now it's that the show will be good yeah that would be that would be the safest bet i think if someone said a half turned out to be bad i'd be like safest bet at this point was good though i don't i don't what would be the uh-huh it'd be like well yeah but i'm pretty happy with a lot of the the coverage so far and the dissection and analysis of the show there's not really any motivation for us to be nice to this show we've been kind of rule to the last of us ip for the past few years i was not expecting this to be this good and of course there were all the comments beforehand about video games and adaptations that were pretty frustrating as well yeah um even though this is probably one of if not the best route uh i mean if it stays if it stays i mean the fact that we've had four good episodes puts it really high up anyway i guess the more relevant question would be how does it stack up to arcane by the end oh well that's the thing i feel like arcane's a different thing faithfulness low but quality high this is faithfulness pretty high quality high i doubt i'll like it as much as arcane by the end but you know what i'm happy to be surprised yeah it's just arcane um that's top tier in any case you guys ready for us to watch up to five i am ready i am so ready i'm excited for this one so the record i've not really heard much complaints for this one mostly just praise anything so i don't know really the i've been trying to avoid uh the assumption we have of course is that this is just going to be the conclusion of the kansas city arc yes everything here henry sam and kathleen stories will likely end in this one or maybe continue you never know kathleen seems to me like the kind of person that will die this episode i don't know yeah i think so and i think it will be the bloater i just want to see the bloater man squish someone's head like a tomato i want to see the bloater go whoo yeah definitely done away with them uh opening scenes huh yeah well yeah i guess we were wrong about that we kind of thought that that might continue forever it might just be now we'd not get anymore at all because you never know what are they gonna make the first of us the prequel the last of them the first of us the precursors well not legacy it will just be the precursors i sure do love freedom oh is this great this is when they beat fedra yeah i assume so yeah fuck you fedra man there's a lot of people here too yeah there is a lot of people yeah i'd have to imagine this is gonna be building up who these bad guys are oh this seems maybe this is a bit much fellas this is this is definitely uh not okay oh come on guys use your words well uh i don't know maybe fedra we're really bad really bad oh so yeah this will be henry and sam you'll receive a fair trial yeah sure you have to assure me that that's the thing you're gonna do then i'm like oh yeah we're already past me believe you oh jesus christ just dragging to do yeah this is this is encouraging about your free fair trials it's almost like a loony toon's death full of knives like yeah seriously this is what the way to do it start up with these guys give them a go to get to learn them especially if this is the only episode we get with them well it's a big if who knows bloods to be as all over the walls do that oh yeah reassuring hurts the ambience you know terry i used to be so scared of these people did it feel good the train your neighbors to fedra watching us hang so that you could get medicine alcohol fucking apples how does it make you feel now we could put you on trial you're all guilty so that's how that'll go where is henry you're informers inform kill him he's with edelstein well he was a lot more discreet than you fucking idiots where are they he had a place to hole up in the open city haven't you heard kansas city is free i swear i've told you everything i know of course you have you're a rat i don't think they're ever gonna let rat so to speak ever be a non-prison or non-killed yeah the perception would be that if i've done it before they can do it again it's not even just that it's like a um you chose that when we were at our worst so at our best you don't deserve shit and you won't get shit he's not my seventh priority perry is that what he is to you right so this whole time he's sort of just been like about this vendetta we are not really putting them on trial when you're done burn the bodies it's faster that'll be what i mean she's exactly what we expected in terms of the way that she conducts herself he's clean and ruthless yeah and it's simple math to her you betrayed us you got us killed you got us hanged now you get hanged sort of thing uh yeah she's gonna be a vengeance character and like you saw what everyone was doing there apparently her executing people is not out of the fucking realm of usual yeah i'm not acting like this is something that she just came up with that day for that moment seems like fedra were doing it to them for years and then they did it do you see what they would fucking do it seems to be the rules yeah the rules of the game apparently is just how everyone's operating i'm wondering if uh is it that sam is deaf or that they're using sign language because it means they can communicate without you know making a sound i don't know seems like it would be oh well i guess we're about to find out oh it's he's a guy is he edelstein then must be oh edelstein grunting there you go oh so when we caught up with them like he had just been captured i guess yeah yeah because this is the room that they found in the episode i barely made it out as is so we're fucked up for ammunition empty so is mine so we'll sneak our way out tunnels tunnels i go to the trouble you can kill yourself right here i think we can make it 11 days so that's how long we have to figure it out he's scared because you're scared i wonder if we're gonna get some parallels for these two ever get ourselves establishing some little you know things they like to do one remember when they encountered uh golyn ellie he kind of had he'd like drawn on kind of like the well they say in super sam the superhero kind of yeah they're both drawn as superheroes makes him brave makes him feel yeah brave i wonder how you do italics in sign language yeah i guess no more food and everything you gotta leave yeah they were mentioning that they needed to figure out a plan to leave here within the 11 days yeah 11 days assuming that it was the three of them splitting the food so it's probably been you know around that well it's been 10 days i said before so it must be a lot now so they need to move out the food i don't know if they have an escape plan yet though doesn't seem like like they do i mean whatever plan they might have had might have been ruined by them doing all these patrols also the death of uh edelstein i like that i was spending so much time with these characters right now is helping even out the distribution of stream screen time across all characters like the the bill episode up until now felt like very uh unique and it's it's lack of joe and ellie but now we have another episode like it you know what i mean well yeah i think getting carried through if this story is kept to the game story i think this one's gonna go over way better with people yeah i think um one of the benefits that they're having with the show is that because the game has a fixed perspective on joe and ellie because of them being player characters means that you can't really have scenes like this in in those games yeah whereas here you can have the uh you know just episodes on about joe and ellie because it's not a fixed perspective show if you want to get to brass tacks technically speaking this is all unfaithful right now this isn't in the game right because this is a story that we didn't get but it's good story i like i think people most people would say that it is faithful so far uh well because we're making a distinction between like disfaithful and unfaithful in a way where if it's not contradictory it's one thing if you're adding supplemental stuff it's another yeah oh that'll be joe so a question i was gonna have was the nature in which they got to joe and ellie right and if it is as simple as they followed them then good yeah because it looks like that might happen still be one more downshot to here right with the shotgun when he butts her yeah yeah well two more shots oh you're right yeah and then a series of screams ah maybe they cut before um yeah they probably did i guess they're thinking we'll follow these guys these are these are not friends of our enemies so yeah enemies of our enemies will hopefully be our friends it's not a bad idea oh there you go it's addressed all right there you go it's for me guys just gonna wait remember what to do and i think this show with the quality we've seen so far certainly did deserve the benefit i am funny that i mean thank you don't doing their best to avoid it oh all right that was pretty expeditious yep now we're here yeah that was quick eyes on me okay we didn't hurt you so you heard us that's right so we're fucking told man that's just the way he sounds he has an asshole voice joe tell him he's okay everything is great dude everything is great dude they've really got so little choice you know yeah they can't get these two to help them try anything yeah my name is henry it's my brother sam i'm the most one of men in kansas city okay i pegged him for a bottle i guess he's running a close second well yeah that's about how i'd expect that to go i suppose yeah he's just thank you i guess you don't have one so this means a lot i'm ellie i'm joe you wait we didn't kill each other let's call this a win-win and wall is going win-win now y'all came up here to get a view of the city and plan a way out and when the sun's up i'll show you one all right we got something you want hey all right and joe is a very capable man well yeah it looks like that's where they're drawn to him as well right you would have saw him shooting they've been tortured and murdered people for 20 years oh there you go you know what happens great tortured and murdered for 20 years from fedra that's why these people are fucking crazy then yeah i'm a collaborator i don't work with rights yeah you fucking do i know the city and that's how i'm gonna help you get out you seem capable enough your arm and wrong and wrong never killed anyone and pointing an unloaded gun to choose the closest i've ever come to being violent oh yeah that's right the guns were empty remember mission empty so is mine that's right they are empty yeah doesn't it at all feel like there's just all the blocks that are required are getting built like one by one yep information required here got it information required here got it wow all right ready it's been a while since that boy even cracked a smile and a long time she doesn't seem bothered by all this so where were you hidden so how are we getting out and now you can do some character stuff that's the binding element these two kids i've heard that in a long time yeah and joe's still very that is the jaded element of him struggling whenever nice things happen he's like nah nah they got people posted all around the inside perimeter we get close we get caught you can't remember what like toy or something that's from i want to say that it's slightly familiar i i know that kind of toy yeah which is pretty pretty clever i like that is it done with magnetism i can't remember yeah they're magnetic filings that are drawn yeah to the surface with the pen that's your bridge over the river also um it's just with saying i think the actors for henry sound pretty good so far yes yeah you notice anything strange about the city no infected where are they infected yeah they're infected faggot drove them underground 15 years ago and never let them come back up the fedra guy that i worked with told me that it's clean completely clean they cleared it out all of it like three years ago okay maybe there's one you see like proud of him the little head of you like no no no good you ran into a clicker two of them and you're still alive you're the right people if it's bad down there if it's the best option that's your great plan no that's my dicey as fuck plan no that's the problem yeah you can't stay here they're going to help us escape seeing it feels to me like joe would find it so much easier to fuck this guy over if it was just him and not this other kid with him because it makes it much difficult to treat this these people as non-genuine they probably are showing that age they're joe as well man he's tired where she left it i'm not sure from that expression if he knew and he was just like yeah i know you put it in your fucking pocket i know you didn't listen to me she seems pretty happy to be told to pull it out yeah plan is good plan is good we've been down here two seconds we don't know anything that's kind of a pessimistic point your life forward this is just you and your daughter i promise someone i'd look after be ready to run because most of this hasn't been like the game so far all right that's quite different the thing is we got the sewers sequence i guess is that this is what we'll be doing instead it's similar enough yeah pretty spoopy down there and almost in there man doesn't surprise me at all i think joel is generally protective of children i think a lot of people just naturally would be well i think if someone wanted to say like well there's some people who aren't it's like well joel obviously it makes sense that he would be he's been a father but yeah you're right a lot of people at base are anyway i heard about places like this people went underground after a nice set built settlements what happened to them maybe they didn't follow the rules and they all got infected that's straight out of the game that picture number five six eleven uh so cool your survive fuck yeah man keep it down we're not out yet oh come on can we just rest here for a while wouldn't be so bad to wait the light out a bit safe from shadows when we pop back out on the other side makes it the same so take down same with a coat come on watch the back did you see that let's keep it down buddy okay yeah it makes sense it's not very jagged now is it what's what i mean i don't understand like if someone hadn't even played the game they would be like this joel guy man he's like a he's like a downer in every environment it's like yes he is that's that's who he is nothing is ever safe nothing is ever you like look at that collaborating to take care of him i shouldn't have said what i said it seems kind of cruel to send a whole army after you for that sam he uh got sick there was one drug that worked and it belonged to fedra it's gonna take something big the leader of the resistance movement in Kansas City and captain's brother well that's probably why she's in charge yeah yeah and why she has a man that kind of like man and that's why she's ruthless and that's why everybody is the way that they are this guy apparently was fucking great i am the bad guy because i did a bad guy thing man almost like you guys should have waited a little bit could you imagine dealing some significant damage on behalf of one person joel could you do that it's pretty good as a seed to set up to light her on yeah it's just they're just doing the work they're supposed to the whole season is going to build up all with all these different environments and characters doing the different choices and then he's gonna have his this is kind of the last of us too in microcosm this story i like that sack was a violence well i mean she's abby and henry is joel why are you talking to him this room seemed so big michael told me that this wasn't a room at all it's the big wooden box so that nothing could get inside of he said as long as we were together we would be safe he was so beautiful i never was he would be horrified by the things i've done and if you've come to tell me that michael wouldn't want me to hurt henry that he would want me to forgive your brother was a great man we all loved him the last time i saw him alive he told me to forgive and what did he get for that where is the justice in that what is the point of that he didn't change anything you did i can't believe it we've got everything yeah this is very well done this is everything she's clearly everything we needed she relied on her whole life so her brother her brother took care of her brother made her feel like a good person he was taken from her now he's gone and so she'll do anything to get revenge on him even though that's not what the brother would want and she understands the context she does she's choosing this and it's gonna fucking backfire at it more or less on board anyway because they all liked him and they did like him he was a decent leader or whatever for the morale probably the personnel but she's the one that actually made change happen but it's the the often the dichotomy right the principled idealist and then the the realist yeah who makes things happen we and yeah that was just you needed only one scene to do it for her and that was that was it that's everything about her now we have it was real awkward now that saying like you know her being the leader here previous episode wasn't about her it was a setup now it's about her isn't it that's how it works yeah this scenario looks similar oh this looks like something yeah well we're going away oh me what is a huge state it can fit two more people yeah each state maybe we just call this one a success and say our father wills no i don't change this mind trust me this is how he goes he's like no oh wait never ever ever happening and then i'm like i'm gonna ask you a million more times at me yep my foot yeah there it is the sniper that sounds like the sound effect of nearly getting detected you hear that yeah oh yeah i know what you mean yeah they're like it's a shame about this bright-ass moon it is very bright isn't it stay here what get out fucking sniper what do we do did you see where somewhere down the street stay here what if you don't move he's not gonna hit you right now y'all stay here no before you start i need you guys to keep him busy i'm gonna go around try to get in the house through the back and then i'll take him out i'm gonna go around and see if i can't get the angle if you go out there he's gonna kill you it's dark and he has shit aim nobody's gonna kill me then he's gonna kill us okay hey be careful you trust me this is one to one with the game right yeah you go around the side to ambush me was during the day in the game that's the only difference yeah yeah man it is very bright yeah this is a bit this is bright it's very bright wow yeah the moon can be like yeah most full moon tonight can be bright sure but like come on well it's just a common thing in shows and movies right where like it's you blue shift it or this is a bit different well you commit like support dick and make it so you can't see shit yeah yeah well it would actually be night but they put a very high wattage light way up on sticks let it over to me and stay up here for another hour that's all you have to do please don't do it well i had to do that would be hardened again oh he was and you would have called them by now right probably yeah that's how they do it okay nice because yeah they're gonna have i was wondering if you were just a lone old man sitting up there i was actually gonna say why the fuck is there in a lone old man it was like oh he's a fucking oh here we go he's gotta get him in the face i'm glad he's missing though because people do mess instead of just getting you know oh and he's hard damn we're both taking right with your team take the time with this one yeah yeah there you go that's that's the way you do a payoff like that yeah panic shots and then like okay breathe jeez oh shit man all we missed it now is it obvious all these i'd say who is that gonna be the rumble that wakes him up or maybe is this unrelated to the the little hole they had back in that other place i guess that was just evidence that they're underground yeah i don't see how anything else would save them it would have to be a hoarder zombies i'll come out just let the kids go sorry the girl is with a man who killed brian and well fans with you you don't understand but i do i know why you did what you did he's just a fucking kid kids die henry they die all the time he's worth everything man i wouldn't relevant to holy shit yeah get ready to take him and run yes do it it ends the way it ends oh that'd be a hole i wonder if he's realizing what this is i'm wondering yeah if joll knows what this is i think they all sort of realize what yeah oh boy oh fucking boy oh dude awesome oh and look at that it's actually the amount of bullets is making a difference but there's just so many of them yep and once they scatter around it gets harder and harder and now you're just gonna get people getting picked off in it oh he's looking stressed out but i have tight aim now yeah where's that bloater though yeah well it's crazy to write because every person they kill by biting then turns into one right eventually right well how quick is it if they killed them they're dead and i think it depends on where they're bitten oh yeah oh oh damn look at that christ i think he was going for a sidearm there as well oh that's his head off yet why you gotta why you gotta do that oh look at that man he's selling that fear can't stand there she can that was pretty neat geez we're gonna really confident aren't we yeah those are some close shots i guess they're literally closer at least oh and yeah she's good someone's gonna eat you lady water's coming all right and there you have it hi all complete story finished that is the point being made that's what you get bye well that's it for them really does a great job of showing just how fearsome they are you know how how bad it is when they show up yeah and it looked like they were starting to run over to they just go back to Kansas City right and there's gonna be plenty more people to eat there it's gonna get overrun okay yeah seems like the big thing as well that makes them super threatening here is that they're more organized whereas in the original there's no like seeming like yeah which seems to be the network idea which which helps i think i think it helps make them more threatening because it's not about just randomly bumping into them and then you get in trouble it seems more so like there's a potential to be overrun what's that comic book say endure and survive endure and survive that she's really yeah it's not great look i don't know exactly how i'm getting to wyoming i'm probably walking but last i heard he was in wyoming we get there we find him we find the fireflies you know if you want to eat yeah yeah what are you saying to me sounds like a good plan man yeah i think it'd be nice for something to have a friend i'll tell him in the morning uh silence springy sector one five taken stock of all the food we found today i see and how are we doing on canned peaches did henry send you no i would henry send me to make sure i'm not fucking up some out i'd say we all did pretty good back there especially you can you hear me it's everything all right everything's fine well have a good night how is it that you're never scared who says that i'm not what are you scared of let's see scorpions are pretty creepy being by myself i'm scared of ending up alone what about you those things out there what if the people are still inside what if they're trapped in there without any control of their body scared of that happening to me okay first of all we're team now okay we're gonna help each other out and second they might still look like people but that person is not in there anymore my blood is medicine henry says that they've moved on that they're with their families like in heaven do you think that's true i go back and forth i'd like to believe it but you don't i guess not me neither serious talk i almost forgot if he doesn't know about it you can't take it away all right i'm pooped i'll see you tomorrow i guess that's impression she may have gotten from the fireflies oh not on the palm you're doing the thing i mean this worst thing that's just fucking mixing blood right now which is a general no no everyone that is a general no no yeah if you get anyone's blood in you you need to uh get medical attention immediately bsi body substance isolation unfortunately this is something she may have concluded because she's not from like fireflies obviously deliberately didn't tell you much at all about how she's holding the cure or maybe she knows it's bs and she's just trying to make him feel better in the moment no i think she genuinely believes this may help yeah remember they they only told her the nature of her importance right before they handed her off to joe and so they may have just said like your blood is the key to the cure that's probably why she thinks this should work and then of course the first thing she did when he showed her was look over the other room because if joe finds out he will shoot this kid so he'll stay awake with him to make sure he's immune too right that smells good morning where's sam i let him sleep in for once oh well if you wanted to join us you can go wake his ass up shit he's turning screw it gotta get you all right are you okay oh my god sam sam easy easy i'm gonna get that gun for me okay oh okay okay easy is it your fault this is nobody's fault henry it's all your fault henry henry no yeah that hit pretty much as hard as it does in the game which was west off they go to Wyoming well that was a really good episode i like that a lot i don't know i guess it's five and around now was there anything that we asked for that wasn't in there that was basically everything that we expected and wanted and maybe a little bit more as well in a few places it's it's it is becoming increasingly clear with each successive episode what we're building up to thematically like all of the seeds are being planted with all of these stories very deliberately that lady she was just perfectly characterized she's yeah she's doing the thing where you when you decide there are no choices in the world there are only um what happens as a result of this other thing like you make yourself an object in the world is i think the philosophy behind it and that's what she is as a character she's decided when she talked to her with henry right i know why you did what you did is to save your kid but you know fuck you maybe a kid should die why did my brother die like how does that how does that work fuck you you die now that's that's just it's the dominoes and it's how everything fucking works in this universe a lot of the time at the core there's some good decision that was made or at least a decision that was bad it was made for good reasons and there's like yeah well repercussion is i fucking kill you now actually okay heart take i think this is the last of us two done properly this episode uh-oh careful yeah kind of uh you know the how it you know the whole self-destruction element and you know it can lead to the you know because this was what they kind of tried to do with the uh the wlf and the the other guys right you're part of they were embroiled in the fighting that they collapsed we're in this case it was a bit different than that because we've got like you've got like this very fundamentally personal conflict that is kind of like playing out here but then it'll like in the face of the existential threat there's a choice before you you're going to let this go and like work together uh or are you not going to do that and then we see what happens in her case one of the hold on to it so she died one of the larger gaps in the last of us two as far as i'm concerned always was that we never got to see abby address the reasons that joel did what he did part of the reason that happened is because the writers went familiar with the reason why joel did what he did well they they hadn't figured it out they weren't or they changed their mind they were they changed it um got about them in the interim if fucked everything she is hyper familiar with what he did and why and she's like now you die and your kid dies that's what happens next that's what i think was missing for abby the only problem is as soon as you do that it turns them into a villain that's what they are at this point well an antagonistic yeah especially to uh to you know our our team right think about it henry's choice is i i essentially get this guy killed in exchange for saving my brother it's like that's a really tough thing that all of us would have difficulty and that's that's part of the bigger point of a lot of the hard choices made in the last universe whose is it's done there's nothing you gain by killing them anymore but i have to that's what i'm doing it's what happens what you did it places their family in the role of villain a villain whose logic you understand but a villain nonetheless and what did they do to it they had her strung out right till the end trying to get a vengeance and it got her killed it got everyone killed and it got everybody killed and it's going to destroy that whole city yeah all because she desperately deserved she couldn't let it go because her brother was right and they didn't listen to him the brother had to figure it out he got it he know that um and i guess in a certain sense you'd be like well i guess it's really sad then that henry having to make this choice i guess ultimately led to this and it's like yeah i guess it is really sad that that's that's what happens but that's what happened in the story we are building up with all of these stories perspectives on like the choices that characters can make in the apocalypse like the difficult choices about what people choose to value and how they choose to conduct themselves and it's so clearly deliberate especially after this episode it's so clear what they're building up to like now especially with having that change where ellie knows that um that sam got bit and that she made something of an effort that she thought she could do at the time to try and save him and then it doesn't work instead of in the game she didn't know and then it was a surprise it's it's like you're kind of sowing the seeds a bit more of her really being motivated to uh to save everyone make this cure happen to save people because in this instance you tried and it didn't work not that the game didn't have that as an element i guess it's just that this scene really like brings it to the forefront which of course and then of course still having the same stuff with joel right that this experience is going to be the thing that is like the big push to pass ellie off to to uh to tommy yeah because enough enough dealing with this it's so fucking hard having to meet people care about them watch them die and then they die struggle to trust whether or not you should all this stuff like joel man peter pascale is such a good job this episode of convincing me he's fucking strung out this is so much to do with yes it looks really exhausted emotionally emotionally exhausted yeah he's just and by the way god damn they did some great work with henry and sam there one episode yes that's one episode they did an actual job it's kind of it's just it's a different journey but it's the same format idea of giving them a lot of focus for one whole episode they we get this start middle and end and then how their story feeds into the story of joel and ellie i love this this raw human shit happening where you might i think uh when when people watch a tv show they might try and like break it down logically in in an erroneous way i would go as far as saying this same thing happens in the game but basically when they burst in and ellie's being attacked by uh sam zombie so to speak and joel is immediately like fuck i need my gun and then henry's like fuck no you're not shooting my brother it's like he's look like and it takes him just a bit and then he ends up shooting him himself like because it's and there's that moment of dick of like starting to realize what's happened right it was like the heat of the moment the the choice and then takes him a little bit of time to realize oh yeah it's just like uh i can't do this like i can't i can't like i can't do this it was his one job and he failed that's how he would feel about it right it's the same for so many characters that's how they feel it fucking drives them that sam was the most important person in his life i mean and look at the choices he made to save sam and then sam dies you know that weighs on him too right he made the choice and even says what did i do like in that moment i killed sam sort of thing which applies on multiple levels it's really good storytelling um there's just no no uh no other way i'd happily give this episode excellent as a as a title for um quality this was really strong there's a couple of problems i'd say but um well it's generally fucked up right of like non-stop headshots like the joe was pulling off yeah i would have prepared some illnesses in that sequence yeah get really good when it comes to when it comes to character it's it's really really really tight this episode was really strong by way of character we got so much and it's rags said i'm glad he said it first but like yeah i feel feel pretty vindicated yes you're kidding me i mean kind of i mean like i said there's five now yeah now we're five there's a lot of our expectations about what this episode was going to be were realized and particularly with regard to uh it's cathleen right there yeah cathleen i mean what doesn't make sense about her at this point yeah exactly we got it we we figured it out we we had well they even gave us the so her brother in the role on a personable and social level and bound everybody probably gave her morale she's the one that came up with the plans and executed them likely because she's much more ruthless the commentary is that the characters were two halves of a whole that's what that's like yes and then when he was lost when he died the only thing that was left was the vengeance the ruthlessness no forgiveness no mercy and look what it did compassion and then the consequences that everything gets destroyed because there are some pretty present themes in the last of us about like the interpersonal relationships but then of course more of the challenges right of life well how much is one person's life worth to somebody what are they willing to do does it mean you know are they willing to commit to saving one person's life when they know that that may well you know endanger or cause greater harm to a larger number of people like those sorts of things but in the case of her right it's a good reflection of of like what that path led to it leads to destruction not just of her but everybody it's everywhere like why did that the emergence whole fucking happened it's like well because Joel shot the shit out of the driver and they crashed why did that happen because he's protecting Ellie more than fucking anything right now why is that happening because they're trying to attack them lot for having killed the brother that she loved more than anything why they're doing that it's like well Henry killed the brother technically speaking because he tried to protect the one thing that matters to him more than anything it all comes back to that two cycles of violence but way more effective that's what i mean i'm sorry this just this is what they were going for maybe if they have time now and they can reformat and rethink everything they can redraw and re-figure out and actually create a last of us three that functions i mean this is the thing i mean how do i not have some level of confidence after seeing these five episodes no that's you're wrong more it could my i will forever be worried about episode nine but yep i'm really not that worried about the next set of episodes they could fall out of course yeah in the same way in the same way they set the mark quite high well they yeah i mean yeah i'm just happily invested it's just this is just a gosh darn good show at this point i'm enjoying watching it it's a very good show it's becoming more and more difficult to talk during it to actually be able to do this into a video paying attention paying attention and and becoming immersed in the story yeah and the journeys of its characters you know what getting a little bit tired of seeing this around it's got to stop oh all right so here we go how do we judge how good acting is all right it's it's tough as we've talked about before how it could be a little bit subjective but a lot of the time there seems to be general agreement on the best and worst that's something to start with i think there's probably three major things right like one um well the general is convincing you of the emotion they're feeling right that's the easy sort of thing the thing is yes what can what can we get closer to maybe being able to prove because me believing in emotion is really down to me a lot of the time rather than like individuals i mean so their ability to pull off different people right like Pedro Pascal i think has proven this with all the characters we've seen him play yeah there's that kind of range then there's the range of how many emotions and states of being can you pull off within a single character anyway and then i think the third one which is often one that a lot of actors don't get to show off because of the writing or the direction but how do you perform under great pressure having to perform something extreme yeah extreme so Bella Ramsey has been shot on forever for being really shit in the show they gotta stop they have to stop yeah the first two episodes i was pretty mad but i think they finally gave her she she really has proven that she could be a great character yeah episodes uh episodes four and five so really if i was to go with those three formats right i can't say to what she's like playing other characters because this is the only character i've seen her play okay like uh well i've seen her play um goanna mormont i think for like five seconds in game of thrones i don't think that counts for much but you know like the beginning of this episode where she says uh it's a weird fucking tone man that's just the way he sounds he has an asshole voice Joe tell him he's okay she's doing stressed and assertive there i would say you could say disbelief and frustration when he he doesn't do what she says everything is great dude fuck and so she has to sell those like emotional states then you go um she's done like rage in episode one people from fedra you hear me let me out are you gonna pay mother when she killed the guy like shocked stunned when when uh cathleen was just eating like that was that was a shit ton of shock the camera hung on uh ellie for a bit there i think it's just she's watching someone getting eaten alive of course playful and like childlike stuff she's done with sam in this episode and then a lot of the playful stuff she's done with joel it'll still be stationary when she was like tearing up behind the wall and when she's talking about with joel about the life she's taken and stuff you could call that like that's like kind of portray vulnerable and like haunted shaken what we talked about how she's uh assertive and sticks up for herself with the whole so don't blame me for something that isn't my fault like i said it's sort of like emotional maturity but also being able to portray someone who isn't gonna allow herself to be sort of trampled over which i think a lot of people said was like a trait they were hoping to see ultimately i'd say that that's a pretty big selection of range of different emotions but then you've also got like the absolute shock and horror from um that ending sequence i think that was it for me after seeing that final scene she's she's she's solid now i actually like her as ellie oh yeah i think so it's weird because you are right in the sense that we can all pretty much align on who the great actors are and who the terrible actors are the big area across the spectrum yeah in the middle it gets kind of gray but i think the broad swath of actors it's generally agreed upon which ones are good and bad even though there doesn't seem to be any sort of super hard criteria you know are they able to convince people most of the time are they able to emotionally move people most of the time are they able to make you forget it's an actor playing a role most of the time seems to sort of be what is you know the thing that unites us on that the term acting is funny to me because when it's done right it's not really an act in a way like the emotions are real they usually a lot of actors pulled from a less than it's making the real thing in an in an artificial way in a sense yeah you'll have a lot of actors who unearth something from their past like the saddest moment in their life and they'll bring that energy into it like i've been on film sets where i've observed i saw this one day i saw this actor he was stood in the corner of a hallway and he was like crying like he's like really sobbing i could see his shoulders kind of moving around i'm like is that guy okay and everyone's like dude just leave him alone he's he's amping himself up for the scene he needs to get into this headspace and it's like oh okay that's there that was his process i feel like that's some people aren't they don't quite need to do that where they have to go into the corner of a room and and just block themselves off from everybody some people are better at channeling that negative energy some some people can do it quite quickly um everyone has their own process but the emotions are real when the job is done right i think that the there will be one or maybe a selection of a couple of moments in that final sequence but especially that last reaction she has to um a lot of this show they seem to be playing with a lot of like how humans react is complicated to a lot of things but um the fact that she goes to like scream but it cuts off because it's like the gunshot plus the friend of yours committing suicide but simultaneously it's all over and they did that with the zombies too at the end when it was all rowdy and there's the lights and they were screaming and everything and they just cuts to him in the hotel and it's just dead quiet i imagine to help with that scene like you think usually like if the camera is not on you then they wouldn't have to set up certain things like whatever the camera is not seeing they probably had the guy who played henry there falling down even though he wasn't being filmed just so the actress could better put himself in the situation where she's observing somebody kill themselves to be a bit different if somebody with a script was standing there instead it's like okay now cry ellie yeah they probably actually had henry falling down pretending he's dead well yeah she just stays at the body because we just went from what was a pretty good environment to everything falling apart entirely yeah the night before things were great i mean we i have this friend who's my age close enough we've got some traveling companions we are able to you know none of us are hurt things are like legitimately really looking up like this is probably the best thing that's happened in a long time all things considered i know yeah pedro askels great in the episode same for as we said henry sam and uh i think kathleen was pretty good as well the actress for her yeah absolutely yeah didn't get a lot of her but i was convinced in her her villain origin scene yeah that was good yeah and we needed it so thanks for that like this for me feels like the whole episode was just filled with stuff we needed just tell her the story i'm pretty strong as a so to speak half season finale i guess i'm a fan and i guess six seven eight nine we shall see we are past the halfway mark yeah that's right we are the majority of the story at least by slim margin and yeah so far so good in fact just saying so far so good might be a little unfair it's been like the last few episodes have been pretty great yeah i've been very very pleased to the point where before we started an episode i'm like all right i'm ready to see what happens next well i'm excited this episode already at this point oh yeah looking forward to seeing it every week well three was the favorite for me then four and now five so and now it's probably five yeah we imagine six six will come back down probably we'll well that'll be the uh probably the tommy episode yes yeah which uh i guess the yeah i guess the question will be how much of a tommy's story because they've got the the change here right where tommy's got his own sort of troubles and problems going on seemingly and i guess the question will be i wonder if we're going to see any of that uh that backstory that tommy is not so fond of of his time with joe during the uh the intervening years because he did not he does not like that time i imagine episode six they'll bring back the teaser i can maybe maybe yeah maybe we'll see like the direct aftermath of uh sarah's death like what joe's looking like for those first few days maybe we'll jump ahead a bit more the teaser slot really comes in handy with anything that it's like such a large time jump that it would it would be weird if they're all like connected together back to back without that buffer of the title sequence like that flashback to jakarta it's good to have the teaser slot for a scene like that but you don't know yeah it's a good for a cold open it's good for a uh thing that is markedly different from you know what the main story is or a different time like you said yeah so i can see them bringing back the teaser for a flashback with joe and tommy and then title sequence back to the present well and i guess the question is as well is are we going to see tommy's time with the fireflies we're going to have ellie and riley presumably we've got uh that's got to be coming eventually and then of course you've got the david stuff there's a lot left uh for them there's a lot left and i feel like they've uh they've sown a lot of seeds they've done a lot of good work so far now they got to bring it home they got a they got a now the landing stick the landing one um it's crazy to be the thing that we're going to be watching episode what like eight-ish around when mando starts the contrast we're going to have like he's going to be like i would like to buy some cheese and spare some blue space cheese i can bring you in this is the way it's going to be such a stark contrast between this is the thing guys we've got to say for the good when it comes because we're gonna the sludge begins eventually you know the sludge is it's starting up real soon ant-man and then back into the sludge the sludge shower and laurian yeah well it's because yeah because the beginning of the year has been pretty solid by way of media from video games and you know television and films it's been it's been really good and i guess it's more broadly it's like how to know guys maybe give the show a little bit of credit it's very clear there's a lot of trust issues with naughty dog and neil druckman projects that's why this is happening yeah and but um we're here to judge it for what it is not for who made it yep it's what we always do and so far so good as as free said is an understatement so yeah so far so great in the game sam doesn't show ellie his wound and it like you're saying fringy it's a surprise when she wakes up in this version he shows her and she would she be so sure about her blood being the cure there on the wound that she would be comfortable sleeping in that room she wasn't comfortable sleeping in that room she promised to stay awake with him and she fell asleep that's right she wasn't the chair wasn't she yeah you look at the way she was sitting she didn't intend to fall asleep but that's just what happens right you close your eyes briefly and then you're asleep but uh it's also yeah you just have to believe she was sort of naive enough to think that it's as simple as a blood transfer and she can cure a person or the very least maybe right that she's gonna at least try something even though it's obviously probably not gonna work yeah it is naivety in that case like that's fine i was just curious about it well exactly what was going through ellie's head what she was writers thinking there we can all agree that she would try it i think we've been character for her to try it and then she was gonna keep an eye on him and if things got worse do something but obviously and and you know i think the reason why he didn't try to attack her earlier is the is the idea that he's actually deaf so he's just sitting there with no necessary interaction oh well because in the game it was uh he was standing by the window um but that was because ellie wasn't in the room with him but yeah i think it's just she didn't mean to fall asleep yeah of course yeah and then i can see that yeah great episode i mean fuck i was riveted man like i'm uh give me and we didn't see infected for a while but now they came back with a force and when they were all they're all running out of the ground like that it's like oh shoot i figure people will like this episode for that the army of zombies faces the soldiers we got a nice bloater kill poor whatever his name is getting his head torn off that was cool yeah which is you know it always sounds weird but that's neat that they gave him that role he got to do a couple things oh yeah Tommy's yeah Tommy's VA and uh i'm pretty sure that uh Troy Baker and Ashley Johnson meant to be in it too and we haven't seen them yet so we've still got more oh and i think i'm not sure if no one north has a role as well they bring people back why they just well you have to this is the thing guys you kind of have to assume there's probably neils doing probably i'm just like hey well they were you know they were part of the game so can we give him something in any case and that's episode five yep thanks for watching everybody yeah here we go goodbye bye bye what'd you bring me welcome to eFap tv the last of us season one episode six it is how are you all how are you all feeling about that after this one we will be two thirds through two thousand the way through yeah closer to the end and the beginning episodes only enough we know what payoffs we're heading for except rags only knows about mainly one of them right at the end but there's a couple in between that you'll find interesting but yeah we just got done with that fifth episode oh boy what a ride wow episode five wasn't that a tv episode show oh my goodness and that's one of the episodes of all time without further ado let's get right into common showcase shall we here we go Kathleen kids die all the time that one infected little girl and i took that personally surprising we didn't point that out a lot of people felt that way they're like how did you not make that connection it's like oh yeah i guess so yeah i suppose that is a connection books about you know kids die all the time wherever the fuck and then a kid killed her possibly because she was listening and was offended dangerous children are dangerous That's the point of the the episode right every murderer was once a child destroy all children I keep wondering if I should read these in an annoying nasally voice to like straw man the person writing it coming Endure and survive Do chad voice Endure and survive is how I watch this tv series Because I want season one to be a faithful adaptation and season two to be the opposite I'm sick right now and that kind of helped with my chad It did kind of help. It made it a little bit bassier or a little bit more texture. I think this is an interesting observation, isn't it? yes Very I think this is going to be something that uh, if I beds of referencing Till the end of time in the adaptation argument because a lot of people do not want season two to be accurate to the source Now if being accurate to the source is good, that means you have to fix your system up a little bit That's right. We on the other hand as I've said several times I like comparing but uh because this show is different to the game It is it's different enough to be warranted as saying different even though in a lot There's a lot of similar beats. Yeah It is similar and it is different and it's fun to talk about whether or not that change seems better or worse Or fit better or fit worse with what they currently have or what they might have in future Oh moller. That's an easy discussion. I'll tell you what it is. All right. It wasn't like the game So it's bad See we we took care of that real nice and easy. That wasn't hard at all Well, you know, I think someone else well They'll be saying the opposite if they actually went against season two in or rather game two in season two Imagine there was no bigot sandwich. What if they get rid of the bigot sandwich everybody? Would you be happy about that or sad? I would be very sad because I would want to see how this bigot sandwich compares to Tunnel's bigot sandwich. I think that's fair. Not only did Joel turn over in his sleep He also didn't get any sleep the prior night and also climbed a whole bunch of stairs. I bet he'd be out like a rock I did forget to mention that when uh responding to the comments last time He'd also been awake for two nights that when you were awake for longer. It makes you more tired at uh, I think that's a science thing. I can confirm that we checked more awake more tired Biology facts you'll die of sleep deprivation before you starve to death I'm a bit disappointed the crew didn't talk about how ellie fell asleep when sam asked her to stay away Can has to live with that guilt that she left sam alone as implied by the i'm sorry at the end We actually didn't really talk about the i'm sorry at all And there's a couple of things to say about it that I kind of regret that we didn't but you know what? That's just a reality a lot of things happen really quickly and comments like this can help us open up a conversation That maybe we didn't have but most of it I would say is you know, sorry. She couldn't save him Sorry didn't work out. Sorry that uh, he died alone almost Sorry that in a way that their meeting kind of caused his death in a way Certainly that it led there and I think she would see it that way at least somewhat. Sorry. It all ended up this way Yeah, um Lighten with subtext that sorry is seen by joel and he stares at it quite a bit and you wonder if maybe it's the There's a bit of an implication there of you know Sorry all the efforts she made to bind them together and the the attempts to open joel up What did it lead to like pretty intense heartache? That was uh, that was rough what happened at the end with those two Something I can't remember if we did talk about it, but I certainly would have liked us to the le sees this as a Failed attempt to save someone from a horrible fate and thus it will likely Egg her on to the position of wanting to save people Meanwhile, it'll do the opposite for joel. You'll see this is like That was that you It's it's not worthwhile to do this because everything is doomed anyway It all falls apart all the effort we put in this appointment We nearly died like several times, you know and for what to have some friends to have some fun moments Like is that really worth it? You might even say at that point that ellie would be Further to the degree of chipping away at herself to help other people while joel will be like never Sacrifice anything about ourselves for other people. We're the most important family first that sort of angle So if that's what they're building toward that is a good step toward it and that is all I think nailed with just The I'm sorry on that little pad. So, um, yeah collapse show. Good job. Good point of discussion But uh, sometimes things slip through the cracks in the flow of we do we try We try yeah like that. Hey the comments can pick us up sometimes. So thank you for that That's why comment showcases here The only magic critique I have of this episode is joel not checking everyone for bites as soon as they made it safely To the hotel at the end everything I've been shown so far tells me that he wouldn't risk skipping that Especially after seeing everyone grapple with zombies I'm not going to say that like the person who wrote this is necessarily not applying that to the game But I imagine it would also apply to the game, right? Um, yeah, and so if we skip that conversation that it's it's uh, he does the same mistakes in the game Then it relies strictly on what we've seen in this show We've I don't think ever seen him check anyone for bites not even tass after they had separate encounters I think that you could argue he trusted her he trusts ellie and that he would trust even henry and sam Probably everybody understands what happens and you could think that they would Be willing to disclose that Yeah, like it might it might have been something he doesn't think about necessarily the thing about it is If he had said like when they get to the hotel They all sit down and then he pulls his gun up and they're like, well, what the fuck? And he says show me your arms and legs right now. I don't think that would be out of character But I'd be surprised and be like, oh shit. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I guess you could yeah All right, and I suppose you could say part of it is that if he's gonna make them Show us to whether or not they've been bitten then they're gonna expect that of ellie, right? And then she'll be like, oh, I have been bitten and then they'll be like what the fuck and uh, That could cause some issues as well with Him trying to keep it quiet. So that's um, I think I could believe both but I can understand Uh, this being brought up especially without careful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I understand. I think that I find it fitting That they give og tommy's voice actor the bloater's signature kill. Yeah, I thought it was kind of neat I think we sat at the time. It's like it's a really weird thing to say but yay That he was in it for that long and he got his head ripped off I think you've actually gotten to see it properly because every other time it cuts off before it rips Joel Or like ellie's head off before it gets too graphic. Yeah, you see a little snippet of like, oh my god That's horrible in this case. They still show up But it's kind of in the background a bit blown out as well But yeah, I mean, it's yeah that it is kind of funny though It's like, oh yay the bloater ripped someone's head off Like everybody wanted to see that The backstory for henry really made his scene with sam and how they ended up hit hard henry was a rat for a terribly heinous group and got what's if ace brothers killed And basically I should in a ton of extra suffering for people around him to save his brother And seeing him process that and then make the last decision is just fucking heavy good stuff Yes, that that's basically would be my praise for this is the change right like he's not yeah That's not how it goes in the game They came in with a group of people and they all got killed except for henry and sam who Escaped and then joel and ellie bump into them. They survived together henry's a bit different He's like a hardened survivor. He's kind of like joel and uh, i'm I guess kind of like ellie They're very much reflections while in this it was a little bit different and they're playing on different aspects of the Character journeys that they're going to be going through right like the fact that henry made a choice to have other people Suffer in favor of his brother and then he described it as i'm a bad guy because I did a bad guy thing Like who do you think we're talking about? What do you think this episode's all about didn't someone else Is going to be dealing with this soon enough and has dealt with it in the past in his life But um to have everyone who suffered along the way as a result of his choice to defend his brother And then he shoots his own brother in the head the actor has to have all of that on his face right before He just fucking kills himself. He can't deal with it. It is incredibly rough scene An extra layer added on top of something that is already like obviously tragic But to add that extra element of the other things that are going to be weighing on henry as well That is a I basically agree like the back story Makes it a heavier heavier scene than it already was. I think so too It's a very sensitively written scene In the game as well as this at like there's so much going on in that one instance in that one character's head I mean also the mocap actor but the guy in the show That's that's a very hard thing to do. They did it quite well You completely ignored the bit in the game where jules says and just so we're clear about back there It was either him or me That's his acknowledgement and thanks to ellie that she was right ellie even says you're welcome in response So the edit was to prove the point which was the initial reaction And then I showed the rifle part to prove that Against the comment that was provided. He doesn't trust it with guns still and that's why he's angry I showed that point to be like no, he does now that that's that's definitely come through And so then we talked about how it's a subtextual sort of thing to grab from the scene where he's angry at her That he is happy that she saved his life So I don't know why you've brought this up is basically my conclusion It's like we already said that's what's happening in that scene We just said that it's uh way more overt because it happens straight away in the show The part that's missing in the game as far as I'm concerned at this point is the um Didn't want you to have to do that because um, I did show the clip as well of when he says, uh, Trust her with the guns from now on I don't think you would draw from that that he Doesn't think that what she did was the right thing fun enough I was going to put it in but I couldn't find an example But I saw plenty of people saying which is the opposite criticism of this that what you're criticizing it for being too subtle now it's like, uh I think there's a fine line between having characters say the thing versus not say the thing Which is better when one could be implied one could not but I don't think you can even draw out of the scene Necessarily that he feels bad that she had to kill someone this line just so we're clear It was either him or me to me is him saying you made the right choice Which I already said you can get from the fact that he starts having to have guns straight away after that Scenario the part that's missing is the uh the guilt of a literal little girl having to end a life Because joel wasn't fast enough or quick enough or good enough against the enemy Which I think is a really cool angle to take Yeah, I agree. The the acknowledgement really is the gun being handed over Yeah, I think if anything you don't need him to say just so we're clear It was either him or me if we we already have that trust me. I'm pretty familiar with the game I'm not trying to lie about it Like or ignore it. I still I don't know about uh john and free but I still think the game is better right now Out of the two. Yeah, I I agree with that. I'm not sure yet. I'm a fan of the show But uh the game is better. I think yeah, I think the game is better It'll depend definitely on how it ends to answer the question. I think that's the problem right now This is it's not complete yet It was very considerate of the child clicker to ignore the rules of clickers in order to kill kathleen Right up there with the hey, you wrapped it from Jurassic park lost world Ninja zombie from the resident evil films Um, I assume they mean the kathleen was silent and staying still and the clicker jumped on it Despite not having any vision. There's someone who's edited this episode several times as I do with all of them before that happens The zombie is is obviously chasing. I assumed anyway. Ali exists the one from the car So it got up to where ali was and then I think you hear kathleen say stop or hey Right after that the clicker is crawling toward her You see it in the background just before ali points it out and then just before it gets so you can see it As far as I'm concerned the clickers have a lot of stimulus in terms of noise It doesn't necessarily mean they'll be drawn to any particular one. They'll just go for one It might work this way in the game, right? Say you're staying still and you're three meters away from an infected and then you like stamp on the floor It'll look over you walk over to and if it gets within range, it'll just attack you as though This is the last area. I heard the noise from I will go for this area I think that happens in episode two that they jump on joe when you that's just the way that the clickers Work is is that they'll just be standing around and then sound it's like oh sound I'm gonna go to the sound and then of course if you're like running around then They'll just follow where that running is coming from kathleen made noise If you want to argue she's not making as much noise as I guess the gunfire in the background or whatever It's like at that point. I think clickers can react to whatever noise is their preference I don't know that it say they had like noise at 10 20 and 30. I don't know that they always go for 30 Yeah, do they have to go for the loudest noise or do they just stick with the one they had first or the one that Seems to be closest to them. Perhaps it was only partially turned and some parts of the eyes were not covered in Mushroom tissue yet. No, I'm pretty sure it was fully a clicker Yeah, same like it. So hold on when this guy says rules of the clickers He's talking about the blindness thing. Yeah, he's saying The implication is that kathleen shouldn't have been attacked because she wasn't making any noise But like I said, she does shout. Yeah, I don't see the issue there really Neither do I so the next up is maybe the rioters just needed it to kill a character who is standing still I mean a whole crowd of people making more noise She did make a noise and I don't think that they've said the rules are as long as there's a louder noise That means that the clicker will go for that. It'll never go for any random noise It'll always be the loudest noise. In fact, that seems like it'd be really weird because at that point Wouldn't they all go to the same place? Yeah, why if there's a noise in front of you that you're pursuing it's really close But you just hear a loud noise elsewhere. Why would you give up what you're doing to go get the really? It's so much like that needs to be like a recognition that the infected in the last of us There's like some semblance of behavior There's like an objective that the that any individual infected has which is essentially to create more infected I think it's safe to say that you could have your fictional Species thing the only ever chase the loudest noise, but that's not what we're dealing with in this They don't just chase the loudest noise. That's not what we've seen It's especially complicated when they've added in the element of almost like a hive mind Kind of working that too. Yeah that it can pursue different objectives in a sense Not only is it about loud noises here, but like she's speaking English to somebody like I don't think anyone else in that scene in that instance is like speaking in Sentences not that to say that like the clickers can understand English or whatever, but they're probably Honing in on sounds that don't sound like other clickers just going raw Yeah, no, it's a great point if if they were distracted only by sound and surely they'd start hitting each other Right, it doesn't really affect the outcome though. So at worst, it's an oversight any other infective could have killed her here I think you could argue that but we don't need to it's terrifying how not only is efap becoming what they hate, but there are so Many fucking comments here sounding creepily like tlj shills What the fuck is going on and that's got 10 likes, which is a little bit disappointing, but here we are Going on instead of saying tlj shills. You could have just said you disagree that that could have been your rationale It's the only explanation that tlj shills all I would say it responds easily is like you're just the opposite Yeah, I don't know what I meant to do with a comment like that. It's like I disagree I think that we're trying to apply the standards that we've always applied and developed over, you know Many discussions about media just trying to apply it here. You just disagree with the conclusion, which is fine But like yeah, I always find it really weird when it's like, ah losing their way I'm just trying to like talk about the show Or not I think I just think it's good this language by the way that they are creepily like tlj shills, which is terrifying Are you okay, my dude? It's terrifying to you that we've been talking about the show this way by tlj shills They've just been person advocating for thing. I don't like that's all which you're allowed to do Ultimately, it's about like the arguments, right? Like should be conclusion. Hopefully, but yeah, you're right We've had plenty of controversial hated and loved things over the past five years. Yeah feels weird that tlj is the only reference you got Like he's brave Without some blind manner a fair number of you you guys disagree to this on mando season two We are not forgetting that one. Okay Yeah, that was so no mando. Shit. It always was As obviously a bit of an outsider to the The community and everything like maybe i'm missing something here But I don't know why he's throwing the last jedi in there when uh when the last jedi was coming out It was like a very fraction. I guess you could say discussion where there was like basically a shit ton of praise And a shit ton of like criticism. It wasn't like a film where there were a lot of people who were like in the middle Like it was just fine. It was a very polarizing film and Conversations that people were having in defense of that film were often very frustrating because the arguments were confusing and weird and seemingly Inconsistent a lot of the time and bizarre. I guess that's what's being applied here that the arguments that we're putting forth For why we're doing the show is solid. I will say it's like hyper illogical some of it's disappointing because uh We can clear it up. I just never thought we'd have to right so take for example And uh, if you're familiar enough with the film, john, you'll remember but the opening of tlj the the first order have arrived The heroes are escaping. They're all onto the radis. They're enormous Capital ship and they're about to escape the ship attacking them is I think it's the juggernaut class for the first order And they have this cannon on there that can just fucking annihilate any one target It goes after even like the shields won't be able to stop it And so hux targets the planet base when the ship is about to escape right in front of them If they blow up the ship they can then and it by the way recharging takes I think like 20 seconds Maybe a minute. I can't remember how long but you hit the ship, right? You destroy that and then you recharge and then you hit the base on the planet That seems to be the most reasonable thing to do to annihilate your enemy and hux chooses the opposite He goes to the base and he kills nothing and then but by the time they recharge po destroys the ship And so they can't and obviously the criticism is wow if he had gone for the ship It would have been over over the end of the movie, right? Pretty simple a lot of people who liked tlj were like fuck that he's arrogant Of course, he made the mistake and that doesn't really make sense. It's like his arrogance made him shoot the planet It's like a non sequitur. It just doesn't explain the behavior If he was arrogant surely you would just go for the ship It's like we can get him because arrogance almost implies like you think you you're able to do something when you can't actually And so if the argument is like he thought he could take them up both outs Who went for the base first like yeah, but why wouldn't you go for the ship first? You still haven't explained that and there's nothing that gets into some tricky territory Of like I've thought about this a lot like this idea of like writing characters Like dumb deliberately because like you've set up Like an irrationality in them as opposed to like just dumb writing where you're not putting enough thought Well, so uh, this is the counter example, right? They see that and they're like yep accepted good argument e fat on board 100 Kathleen then shoots the doctor because she links him to the people who sold out her folks who got hanged and beaten and tortured And so she kills him and they're like, oh So she's allowed to make a stupid decision for emotional reasons, but hux isn't it's like well No, but that has a through line like she hates him because of the decisions He's made and so she kills him despite the value he may hold as a doctor like that actually has a connection As opposed to like hux is arrogant Therefore he shoots a target that there's nobody there instead of the target where the people actually are Yeah, because if he did shoot at the radis and let's say he shot too early Like and the guns weren't fully charged and so they only breach the shields. They don't actually destroy the ship I'd be like, oh, okay, and you go. Yeah, he was arrogant. He kept he was like fire fire now fire And they're like it's not charged. He's like fire anyway. Fuck like we can't let him escape He'd be like I could I I could believe that more I could believe that more. Yeah Um, but they didn't do that of course And so yeah, you get I think that's the angle that people are going for and she's like, yeah These aren't the same arguments But I guess that's our job is to now clarify that and um, I just hope you're not getting terrified By us praising the show. I wouldn't want that to happen. Yeah Hey, you know, maybe he's actually quivering under the table right now. You know, hope he's okay Don't worry in a fetal position walking back and forth Don't worry. We recently covered ant man in the wasp and said that was pretty poopy. There you go back to normal See, you'll be all right. Oh, yeah What bothers me about Kathleen in this episode, this is still chad by the way Specifically is that they give us a scene that humanizes her and grounds her realistically Parentheses her brother is kinder than her and she knows it But then it flips and it's revealed that she knew the whole time why Henry did it Yet she never has a moment to at least waver on the decision or consider if she killed Henry anyway She could have looked conflicted But decide she has to kill him because she doesn't know how else to make the pain go away But they only Not do this They not only do this. I don't know what They even make her doable down Duple No, sorry double down. I'd want to kill Sam too Just because he has ties to Henry and justifies it as quote kids die all the time Yet she leaves her entire town vulnerable to kill for one person. This is a weird comment I'm not entirely sure but I wanted to make sure it was covered The first thing I thought was interesting is she never has a moment to at least waver on the decision or consider it That's exactly what she does when she pulls the gun on him. She waivers She's yeah, he does actually a bit and also she can she's considered it for a long time It seems like he's done a lot of considering about it And I guess he was saying like if only she had killed him then she could have looked conflicted It's like well, she looked conflicted anyway She was conflicted but she was gonna commit to it because she sees it as a um a domino effect You killed my brother. I kill you and your brother. That's how it works I'm not sure what the end is there says um Is he has ties to Henry justifies his kids die all the time yet leaves her entire town vulnerable to kill for one person I'm not She definitely did not want that to happen that is a result of her mistakes I think when she says that about like knowing why Henry did it like it's Henry is Hidden behind the car at that point and she's just trying to get him out. So she's also quicker to gun down She's also partially making a point. I think it's somewhat fair. It's like adults and kids die Everyone dies like why does that mean that you get to kill my brother that too? Yeah for sure In isolation kids die all the time therefore It's okay for kids to die is not a good argument But it's not quite what she's saying the entire point is that she knows it's irrational and there's no point But revenge is her number one priority. So yeah, she is very irrational And she seems to have a pretty strong awareness of it but has decided that she's committing to it sort of thing It's not the plausibility and rationality. I know why she's doing it It just makes the scene trying to humanize her pointless and was a wasted potential character beat That could have been added to that bedroom scene plausibility and rationality It's like those you got from that scene. That's what that scene did It told us exactly why everything works the way that it does told us why she's in charge Told us who she was to her brother told her who her brother was to her Told her why she's gonna do this and it gave us an awareness that she knows the options She's aware that she could spare him, but she won't yeah, I don't know I really don't know what the confusion is. It's very clear. I'm not sure either Yeah, I included that one because I was like I find this really interesting I feel like it did all the things it was supposed to do Which takes us to the episode itself y'all excited Yeah, you know I miss all modoc avatars I'm sorry associated directly so many years of watching Game of Thrones No teaser for this one No, yeah, we thought maybe they're doing bad They've stopped doing those Yes, that's a shame though. If we were to guess the structure the Riley episode That's gonna have to be do you think next time or the time after that? I'm not sure I'm trying to think of because uh We've got probably you could argue probably four or five episodes worth of game left And they're gonna have to crush it a little bit. Yeah, so um, I think they've been making good time It's surprising when you go through like the game footage So to speak how much of the sequences are like defending yourself against random encounters Which this game doesn't uh, this show doesn't really have to do a lot of the time the action scenes There's a very specifically happening to prove some kind of point. Yeah or develop a very like wider plot. Here we go Three months later. All right, that's a three month jump There I don't think that's how it's pronounced. I think it is my bits Yeah, is this Joel wait, they don't this probably isn't it might be I don't know I don't think they're gonna be stopping in a cabin at any point. Are they unless they just came across one I don't know. I guess I'll down here for a bit. Oh crossbow. Yeah, it's probably not Joe if that was a crossbow Who this Tommy man? Oh new guy. Oh no secret Asian man That's kind of neat And the gun That never you just someone passing through take the gun out two fingers only put it out of reach Why did you shoot him? The gun's all the way over there. He didn't hurt me by the way. Yeah, I got eyes Okay, you made him soup. Yeah, I did It's cold Well, I ain't seen him. I haven't told you what he looks like If you look at anything like you bit and I ain't seen him. He's got a girl with him. Can I come down? No Who's his little cycle never mind her you got a map why you lost? You must have missed all the street signs in the enormous fucking course because you have to actually know Yeah It's the thing that games forget where someone you have a map you have to know where you are on the map And your answer better be the same as your wife's Oh Detailing the truth Wonder if you'll use that layer detail in the truth Yeah Are you telling me the truth? Yeah, I like these two That's charming, aren't they they feel like they probably married the whole lives or whatever Not bad to have some levity here after the last scene. Yeah Came here before you were born, sonny Get the hell away from everybody. I didn't want to You've come this far and you know, it's out there. So you haven't heard the name tommy. Nope What about the fireflies we get those in the summer not the bugs the people Oh god, what is this infection done? The best way west. Yeah Go east here. That's true. It is a globe. So It is a long way now why they call it death river if your brother's west of the river He's gone You're not gonna scare us Just wants his bro back never heard of the fireflies Jolie, okay Shut up. Who the shit are you dying? Okay, okay No, no, but are you because just a reminder that you're dead. I'm fucked. I'm fine Just a Cold air Oh that little expression you can try and make a joke out of it, but seriously if he dies like this She's got nothing. She's got a rabbit. It's gonna be easy whoever plays the rabbit. It's doing really good It's very convincingly dead. Yeah totally bought into the character The whole like the head bobbing back and forth and it's like I don't know if that's a cg or if They actually acted actually did it because it's painful It'll start it's too close to dark caves along the river. We'll set up camp there crossing the morning. Good starving We should have stolen two rabbits. We can get our own rabbits. You're gonna teach me how look at these Landscapes vistas Yeah, it's real nice America Oh, what's he doing there? Together a bit at this time of year in this part of the country Roars in and why are men I I don't actually know I don't know if it's north enough. Maybe it is I'm just not sure localized and entirely within your cave. Yes May I see it? No, you're on fire. You're plenty warm You should spit it through the fire and light her on fire and then it explodes Kills all of the everything. You know, you're not gonna wipe it. Let's how you get cuties Stupid child would appreciate alcohol So I've been thinking now because it does taste nasty. Let's say we find the fireflies. It all works then what? Like what do we do? Well, it's a we okay fine. Whatever you You can do anything you want. I wonder what this episode's gonna be about. Where are you going? What are you doing? Maybe An old farmhouse some land come back to see these guys. Sheep. He's Welsh. I would raise sheep They're quiet and do what they're told Yeah, yeah, okay. I like the idea that he's been thinking about that dark or else to look but up I read everything I could in the school library. Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Jim Lovell Do you know who my favorite is? Oh, man Sally fucking right Setting up her interest in place for real really which comes up in Las Vegas, too Yeah, this is a good seed for that scene that scene is a scene everyone really likes in that game Yeah, the vaccine I tried with Sam. I knew he was infected. I rubbed some of my blood into his bite I know I know it was stupid, but I I wanted to save him. I like how he like almost said something more complicated than that Yeah, she says they can do it. They can do it Yeah, because it's a tough thing to handle like what do you tell her when she tells you that She's probably like what the fuck you're mixing blood. It's like, oh, but she's a kid. She doesn't really and she just said it was stupid. It's like Yeah, cheap ranches on the moon Especially eat I will I don't know how she tried to save it. It was just dead deaths on her mind It's like the last moment really to do some uh, hey idiot. That's not how science works I woke up early We were passed out so I took second watch. You gotta wake me up if that happens You can't do things like this, but I can I just did check my six I looked for tracks. I found the high ground and I kept watch Like you taught me to all of this so far by the way not in the game No, this is all new and it's pretty good I like a lot of it all of it is chipping away at the big old wall between them. Yeah a bridge Wow, it's like they went to a place where it had snowed in everything No, this is cga. I think I guess they are getting pretty good at it You can see how the snow Yeah, some of the scenes the snow doesn't quite track onto the trees where they're trying to yeah A little wibbly wobbly, yeah snowing uh earlier on in the show than it was in the game, right? Tommy's stuff was in autumn and then when it was uh, well I guess I'm gonna say because rags doesn't know we get so close to it now We'll probably not say anymore. Well, it seems like they've condensed condensed that together They made it all occur around about the same time. I'm learning how to whistle. You don't know how to whistle Did it sound like I know how to whistle? No Seriously though, how the fuck do you do that? Talon whatever You should teach me how to hunt Oh get a handle of shooting Not so sure about the dressing What's the dressing the part we take the guts out? Is that really the kind of person that would be grossed out by guts? I can't remember. I guess not, right? Probably not, let's go see Yeah, yeah, but who's in this? Is it the dam? Yeah, so that made electricity? Don't ask me, I don't have a clue She's mending it this time I would have believed you Hydroelectric coal It moves stuff with the water, turns motors or whatever and makes electrics Motors like MoDoc Yeah Machine only trying What if this is the river of death? Um Or Ralph Way too many rivers of death Yeah, why can't there be rivers of life or just just very apathetic rivers? Water is the life giver, they do say. Do you know there's water in all kinds of things like Ribena? You guys have Ribena in America? I don't know. I don't know if that's Earlier This is uh, this is bad Maybe We're looking for any trouble. We're just passing through Drop the gun This be Tommy's gang Gang of mesh fish This is the horse gang. You could tell by the horse test But we call ourselves I thought we just caught this through How about you shut the fuck up Okay, easy A lot less plot armor in the show compared to the game, Joel You can't just kill everybody, okay? You've been near infected There's no infected out here The hell there ain't Last chance for a bullet He's infected, he will smell it and he will rip you up Oh great So dogs are immune? Like, I guess so, yeah I guess, yeah, dogs are immune Be chill, doggo, man's best friend Wow, I love the the way it checked there, it was like an actual Let me have a look at the check Like I said, just move on Now her Oh, he he don't smell that immune blood The dog's like, yeah, she's infected but she's immune Oh, okay And then they're like, oh my god, a talking dog What are you doing out here? Just looking for my brother I love the look on Joel's face there He's just like, oh, fuck Well that whole thing was It's great because he's just trapped He can't do anything Yeah, Joel Well, she probably knows Tommy Tomathy, Thomas Edison Ooh, he invented the Lelkin Belp English is overrated They have the red handkerchief of peace Let them pass It's been passed down from generation to generation So those will arrive and be like, I lost the red handkerchief It's like, then you can't get in The red handkerchief has remained silent to your pleas I told you we should have come up with a secret knock All right, Jackson I love wood So yeah, this is a little different from the game Well, it's looking very bustling, isn't it? Yeah, I can believe it It's been 20 years plus now Just, well, in the game it's the dam Which is trying to be repaired So that they can power their local town We do see this place from a distance at this point in the game But we don't know Yeah, that's right Okay You know what this means? This could be the return of bigot sandwiches It could This is where the Last of Us 2 starts Tommy! He's my goddamn brother Tommy Holy shit How you doing, baby brother? Let me look at you What the fuck you doing? I came here to save you You get that brotherly hug in there, boys I love that disbelief Like, are you fucking kidding me? Oh my god, yeah We thought he was dead He was pretty sure of it I seriously, I've heard people say that Pedro Pascal is like a bank of wood in this I just don't get it You're wrong, you're wrong You can't say that after that I mean, you've already had plenty of stuff up until this point But after that, no way Yeah, that's unfair Actually, I don't, this is fucking amazing Man is woman Sorry Ellie Let's mind our manners Yeah Water, pumpkin pie What's wrong with you? Oh my god, is that Dita? Oh, shit, really? That's probably Dita Oh, yeah That's a big setup That's a Last of Us 2 character We had two arms We got a couple of 90-year-olds shitting themselves out there They say that you leave dead bodies around Those are the people who tried us A bad reputation doesn't mean you're bad Not always, at least Holy fuck That subtext was pretty thick Man, for your hospitality and all That was super text Would it be nice to have a moment here, maybe just for family? Would you mind if you fuck off? He doesn't realize Because that's Maria Yeah Family, actually This is Maria Be nice there, she's sort of Runs things around here Ma'am, thanks for not blowing my head off Would have been embarrassing Considering you're my brother-in-law We all got to get wrangled up at some point Oh, how do you solve a problem? I get it Yeah, Joel, congrats Dude, that was pretty well done in Tim's Just like, I don't like this lady, but it could go And it's like, I can't, it's like, oh It's always Christmas in Jackson Could you imagine that you wouldn't have a lot of raiders If you're out in the middle of Wyoming? Yeah, if you're a raider You're not looking to probably go out to It's so funny because like this moment in the game You just get attacked by like a shit ton of raiders Right away Well, it's because I needed to shoot out Yeah How do you keep this place quiet? It's not advertising what we have Saying off the radio House of worship That's going to come up in a moment, I think Motherfucker, I thought you were dead Because you did that Look at this face Look at this face, it actually fucking works Oh, look, jeep It's funny that they've got like the little Mists coming out of their mouths because this is real Yeah, that's it's Yeah, you're right Yeah, it's just so appreciate that there's actual like sets You know, and environments that they're in Shooting outside Real sheeps Communism Yeah I get again all filmed in Alberta Over here in Canada Right Communism I didn't like that It is that literally This is the commune We're communists Wait, Tommy didn't realize that I mean, if you share everything, then yes, that would be a commune He looks so depressed Wait, we're coming, no That's really funny Too much untouched and so three, but I just got the heat going in it Could do worse Oh, trust me, we have been We've been doing fine Well, I'll take Ellie over there if you two want to catch up Was that like a defensive line of like your I've been taking care of us Maybe Probably, yeah Doing the best he can With a very difficult circumstance Yeah Ice, you can't just get that anywhere around here Doesn't grow on snow You're fucking old Easy, it's gonna happen to you too Doesn't seem like you aged much Take him You on the other hand Are you the bartender? Thanks for still giving a shit about me He is now I like that it's a big block of ice Because it is getting carved off of a big old Teaming left Block of ice Christmas trees and big Pretty decent setup So how's Tess? She's fine All right Oh Damn I can't remember what does he say Tess died to in the game That I don't talk about Tess I don't think that Yeah, I don't think so either I don't remember So you know where they might be? These fireflies? No, they got a base down at the University of Eastern Colorado The uni It is severely fucked up between here and there I made it across the country The two of us can make it from here to Colorado I'm not going What, because your wife won't let you? No Is that why you stopped messaging me back? Marie and her crew found me They're good people I'm your brother Yeah, I'm aware They're very protective of this place If a good fucking reason I mean, folks find out we're up here No, I heard wrong people might show up So is that what I am? Those things that you judged me for How did those things to keep us alive? We murdered people And I don't judge you for it We survived the only way we knew how There were other ways Trying to find you these last few months I'm gonna be a father Man, think of the layers of conflict that adds Yeah Does that come up in the games at all? Does he ever have a kid? Yeah, I'm scared to death No, I don't think so I mean, this conversation is different as well It was a lot more heated in the game In fact, he even says it wasn't worth surviving Like, that was his perspective Well, they almost come to blows as well, don't they? Yeah, but then the writers show up I bring you the cure from mankind And you wanna play the pissy little brother We ain't back in Boston You lay your hands on me again It won't end well for you Hell is that? We're under attack Just because life stopped for you Doesn't mean it has to stop for me Go grab some supplies And be out of your hair in the morning Yeah, because we're probably not gonna do A big Raider encounter in this episode It's gonna be characters talking Characters talking Characters talking Which is fine with me Yep, yep We got lots more to do No, we need an obligatory zombie kill In every episode, like The Walking Dead I'm wondering actually Are they gonna make a change? So the impression I'm getting Is that the more connected he's become to Ellie The more he can't bear the idea of losing it Stressing him out And it's reminding him fully of Sarah This is one of my favorite tracks from the game Yeah, and this is a good use of it E.B. Struggle in And again, that scene played out differently Almost specifically because he's a less harsh Joel Joel in the game With their conversation with Tommy He's basically like You'll do it for me And you'll you'll fucking listen to me And that what we did was important I did the right thing Like he doesn't take Well, yeah, he bet This is how you're gonna repay me Is it? Yeah, yeah Meanwhile this show Joel is much more I think in tune with guilt For the point of Yes It's that way Feeling sad as fuck Well, I guess you would need something like that I think every grandma had one of those Little flower glass things You get given one once you hit age like 60 Yeah Once your kid has a kid And you're a mom Then you just get one The stork shows up Sarah That would be Bill Sarah XSO3 Yeah This is more game specific wardrobe here too That jacket she's wearing That's her like winter outfit Yeah It's super fucking purple That's not really that purple actually Shoes aren't too big No Where's my other stuff Right, Bile Who's been cutting your hair World class so longs Let me get my scissors Oh, whoa, no, I'm Trim Just trim liens That's nice Javits, you don't have to deal about washing it Okay, that's just an old thing to do I was an assistant district attorney It does cut down on the amount of Yeah, as a long hair haver It definitely Slows the showers down Yeah, what he's like doing You could even like toot into a whip You can You can go So if anyone ever sneaks up on you in the shower You can just spin around Smack them in the face With your dick I'm sorry about your kids It's okay I'm kid Just Kevin Sarah was Joel's daughter Ah, that's how she finds out I guess that explains me Did Joel mention Sarah to her at all before? Look, I'm not gonna ask I don't think so No, I don't think so But there are clearly things She Tommy did it too Are you worried about him? Tommy was following Joel The way you are now Wow, Joel's fault again Thrown under the bus The only people who can betray us Are the ones we trust You know, come on Grab your super fuckin' eggplant coat Where are we going? The movies We're gonna go watch a movie Watch a flick, a film Wow, but on Star Wars Dippin' Kern in a movie Tonight's show is The Last Jedi Y'all at the hook or what? This ride to the university Is it a suicide mission? No Well, it's dangerous Prepare and do what you do It's quite the crew you got here They're the good men This place gives them a second chance Gives us a whole second chance You've had people go that way and come back All of them What is this? She's immune So why'd you leave Boston? I bet on quite the adventure, little brother And I reckon he's got something to do with that girl She got infected, but she didn't get sick Tell me, I saw her get bit myself That was months ago Months From the beginning Hey, that's cool That looked like it was deliberate Like he was choosing between Anakin and telling everybody And getting a quarantine Or to trust Joel and then explain He's got everything to do with that little girl Well, go on then She's immune Mune to what? Oh, come on I know I've seen her breathe enough spores To take down a dozen men And nothing Tess got bit She made me swear to take the kid He was her dying wish What the hell was I supposed to do? I wouldn't have blamed it neither But I can show you All right I'll bite You know, she saved my life there But she had to shoot him to save me Because I was too slow And too fucking deaf to hear him coming Why bring her here? I'm supposed to deliver to the fireflies Well, I figured they're your boys You've finished the job You collect the whole damn payment I haven't seen a firefly in years That you know where they are I saw a man kill his own brother To save her Well, I just watched And today I thought that dog was gonna tear her apart I couldn't move Now I'm not asking for much, Tommy I just want some simple gear Enough to set me on my way No matter what was Lately there are these moments Where the fear comes up out of nowhere And my heart feels like it stopped What makes you think I'd do this for you? This isn't for me Tommy, this is for your damn cause My cause is my family now And I have dreams What kind of dreams? I'm failing in my sleep That's all I've ever done It's a failure I'm just gonna get her killed I know it I know it You ain't talking about some walk in the park here Jesus, boy Have Maria get some of your bored again friends to do it Well, you got families too Tommy, I need this I have to leave her I mean, it's what you took off on me, right? To make up for the things we did You want some gear? Sure But I ain't taking that girl off your hands Well, here's your chance To bring your kid into a better world You're younger than me You're still strong You said it yourself You'll come back You have to take her Now you're gonna repay me, huh? Repay you For all those goddamn years I took care of us Took care That's what you call it You can't tell anyone Tommy, you're the only one I trust If anyone else sees those bites on her What's under her skin, they'll shoot her I got nothing but nightmares from those years You survived because of me It wasn't worth it It's the last thing I'll ever ask you I swear I'll bring you the cure for mankind And you will have played that pissy little brother We ain't back in Boston You lay your hands on me again It won't end well for you Hell is that? We're under attack I'll take her out of dawn This feels like a smarter and more honest approach To get what he wants out of Tommy Like then in the game where he was just so hostile Because there's too much like bad blood On a brotherly sort of level It's all I do It's all I do Like it's like I can't do this I'm fucking scared and I'm getting old Like I need help with this Yeah, I think this is strictly better Man, look at this plank of wood Yeah, he can't He's just, he's so flat, isn't he? Even a Wonder Woman, he was very good He's always been good The only thing I don't think he was very good in was Mando Yeah So for those who don't know In the game Joel when he gets here The big conflict is You can detect this throughout Is he's starting to see Ellie as Sarah And he can't fucking handle it He's done He doesn't want to have to deal with all that again So he wants to palmer off to someone else Not deal with it Get out of here And he's pretty aggressive with Tommy In terms of like you complete the fucking mission You're a firefly You owe me favors This is what it is And then Tommy's like You made my life miserable And he's like I kept you fucking alive That's the environment in the game And then Ellie finds out She runs off And she's pretty pissed with him And he eventually They have I'm not gonna say what happens in the discussion Because clearly that's to come in this episode That she is convinced And carries on with it Because he does like her And ultimately He doesn't actually want to lose it It seems the dynamic they're going for in this game Is that he's starting to see so much of Sarah And the relationship That he is fucking panicking At the fact that he's gonna be The thing that doesn't protect her And she'll die Because he can't Can't do it I'm just starting to realize how much that all slots into place All of these interactions The biggest dramas And the biggest close shaves they've had They're all making it worse and worse for him Because he just doesn't see himself as good enough To look after her And so that scene is him just fucking falling apart He just said he has dreams every night He doesn't remember like the specifics All he remembers is the feeling that he fails He just fails Sarah every time and she dies So it's just haunting him That's gonna be what's happening with those panic attacks too He was told by those people that You know, he's heading to the river of death His brother's probably dead And then he walks outside Has the panic attack And she's, you know, she doesn't know what's going on But the reality is he's just thinking about how It's only a matter of time before she dies If she's with me And that's why he's trying to palm her off to Tommy A younger, smarter, more efficient Smarter in the sense that he's got More knowledge of the area The comparison is laying all of that On Tommy very clearly Like just completely breaking down And sort of bearing a soul out to Tommy Like for that to be the thing that would encourage Him to actually consider doing this Feels like it's a really strong motivation Yeah, he kind of I think the game has a sense of obligation to the world Is more of a motivator than specifically helping out Joel I think he says that to Maria Like I have to do this And I think when he says he has to do it It's like for the greater good Because he still kind of believes in the whole cause of the Fireflies Whereas here, it seems like it's gonna be way more I have to do this for Joel He's more familiar with the Fireflies He's more familiar with the area And it's disabled It's like Joel says in this conversation Like you can bring your kid into a better world That's a motivator Is that this is added in on top In a way that feels much more impactful Then I think this is better It's kind of where I'm at It's just what a neat idea That instead of him aggressively pushing Against the relationship developing Which he had done in this season at different points We're now at the point where he's like No, he's fully on board He understands how much he feels for her How much this relationship is important And no longer feels like She should be with him Because he's dangerous in the sense that he can't protect her He's failed too many times Like referencing that time where All the guns are on her and the dog's there As much as there's not much he can do He's still... It's the same thing every time It's not his fault that Sarah was killed But he feels that way But he has a perception about it Yeah, exactly Like what really could he have done To avoid that situation? It's like, I mean... It's not his fault, Tess died Yeah, but nevertheless And so it's just giving him this trauma Where he's convinced that he cannot take care of her He's not good enough to do it Really interesting change That is an interesting change And I like it Yeah, man, that performance too Pretty excellent Yes, it is very excellent Good point, so I agree I'm very happy with Tommy's actor as well I think he's doing a great job too Yeah, he's good Try and remain as spoiler-free as possible But when it gets to a desperate part of this storyline The old Joel will come back Yeah Right Yeah, that's awesome It'll be very satisfying to watch as that's the way they go with this Especially to show him so vulnerable with his brother But then when you challenge or threaten things he loves I could totally imagine something else will happen And it's funny how they use that line About like the map detail matching up On those two people that they found in the cabin Because that's such like It's a great setup Part of that Yeah I really hope they use that I can't imagine they wouldn't It's such a good scene Yeah, Ellie Oh, look at that set design That's like right out of the game Yeah Yeah And that dialogue is too Is this really all they had to worry about? Boys Is this really all they had to worry about? Boys Movies Movies Deciding which shirt goes with which skirt Deciding which shirt goes with which skirt It's bizarre Get up We're leaving And if I say no It's bizarre Listen Why are you here? You even realize what your life means? Huh? Running off like that, putting yourself at risk? It's pretty goddamn stupid I came here to talk to you No, why are you still here? If you're gonna ditch me, ditch me Well, I guess we're both disappointed with each other then What do you want from me? Admit that you wanted to get rid of me the whole time What exactly did you hear? I have to leave her, you have to take her Tommy knows this area Oh, fuck Well, I'm sorry, I trust him better than I trust myself Stop with the bullshit You know, I stood up for you today because I thought What are you so afraid of? That I'm gonna end up like Sam? I can't get infected I made this decision for your own good You'll be way better off with Tommy I can take care of myself How many close calls have we had? Well, we seem to be doing all right so far And now you'll be doing even better with Tommy He knows the area better than I do Do you give a shit about me or not? Of course I do Then what are you so afraid of? I'm not her, you know What? Maria told me about Sarah Ellie? I'm not her, you know Maria told me about Sarah No, you are treading on some mighty thin ice here I'm sorry about your daughter Joel But I have lost people too Don't say another word I'm sorry about your daughter Joel But I have lost people too You have no idea what loss is You have no idea what loss is Everyone I have cared for has either died or left me Everybody I have cared for has either died or left me Everyone fucking except for you Everybody fucking except for you Don't tell me that I would be safer with someone else Because the truth is I would just be more scared So don't tell me that I'd be safe with somebody else Because the truth is I would just be more scared You're not my daughter You're right You're not my daughter And I sure as hell ain't your dad And I sure as hell ain't your dad Now come down We're going our separate ways You're going our separate ways Let's get it together We're not alone Well that was pretty much nailed as well I think I have a preference for the way that it was That it was all done in the game In terms of the framing But I mean it's basically one-to-one So it feels like it's very minor Yeah it didn't feel forced at all either Really well implemented How about thee Surprised they didn't keep in I mean is your friend such a wife having their uh Yeah Maybe that's about to happen Maybe hasn't told her That would be bizarre if he It's weird to get to this point without having told her Yeah He probably has But oh well I mean Can we shake it by or something No I came here to steal one of these horses and go You deserve a choice I still think you'd be better off with Tommy Let's go Okay In the game he just says It's fine I'll do it basically Yeah Similar tone Yep What are you doing Your wife kind of scares me I don't want her coming after me Sorry for stealing your horse Come back to town let's discuss it at least You know me my mind's all made up General direction Head southeast till you hit I-25 There's a place for you here Both of you Counting on it There's a place for you here You know Adios little brother You know both of you could go Just saying Adios big brother I mean it might as well just be that the perspective is I'm not gonna endanger him on this one I'll do it Maybe yeah Or you want to stay here It's my account of a missus Get on the way And yeah Maria as well They've established a fireflies broadcast from the university right That's why they're going there right now Yeah yeah I think it's the lab It's the same setup as in the game That there's a lab there We are running out of episode time So I don't know how much they're gonna do Yeah Well yeah because it seems like That would be probably a logical end point What happens in the game Yeah I think we know how this episode's gonna end No I think that there might be a difference in The nature of it Why is it that I'm not? Yeah I'm hoping for an improvement And I will talk about that when we get there Deep breath in slow breath out You squeeze the trigger like you love it Gentle Steady Nice and slow You gotta shoot this thing or get it pregnant It isn't gonna work It doesn't aim right Haha women suck with guns Yeah Take that gamers Oh another song from the game Oh look at that shot Gorgeous That's pretty pretty Look at that one Oh look at these landscapes I hope you're funny if they set up the fire They're like we're gonna go all the way over there And put up a camera okay So you guys just sit here and talk Back then there were basically two main ways of looking at things Some people wanted to own everything And some people didn't want anyone to own anything at all Which one were you? Neither I didn't know The capitalist versus the communist Pretty much Houses, doors, that kind of thing We were called contractors It's a contractor That probably is the name of a movie actually A contractor Almost certainly Yeah Yeah Yeah Everybody loves contractors Ah Love making contractors for doing all my contracting Look at these silhouettes It's called a turnover Like an apple turnover But if you make it to the garden I feel like the show is emphasized more than the game Probably could like how quiet things would be a lot of the time The game has plenty of quiet moments But there are so much quiet moments of just There's nobody around There's not many people in the world at this point I just want to once again appreciate the The will they crafted in this show It's really cool Yeah Man things seem pretty chill and happy Be sucky if something bad happened Yeah right and then the episode ended No they wouldn't They wouldn't It'd be a real shame wouldn't it What does that mean? That's a giant ram You guys were like some idol worshippers What came to sports Hell yeah It's kind of sheep You'll see This stuff goes into your dream Oh they made it to the uni Uni uni People would live here and like What go to classes and stuff Yup I think it was just as much about partying And finding themselves as anything else Figuring out what they wanted to do with their lives What they wanted to do with their lives What about you? What do you want to do? So I've been thinking Mm-hmm I don't want a sheep ranch actually I mean if the deal is I can do anything That's the deal Right when I was a kid I used to want to be a singer When I was a kid I wanted to be a singer Why is that funny? Shut up Who's serious? Sing something God no You gotta sing something now No Come on man I'm not gonna laugh You're already laughing No cage Come on Connor I'm not gonna laugh I don't think so There's two actors in that horse doing great work Are those monkeys? Those people in the old labs Look at this go Twenty things here There's a lighter monkey First time seeing a monkey Aw Are those monkeys? Yeah a whole mess of them Firefly Here we go So how come the zombies didn't infect the buildings And have zombie buildings? That's true Yeah Living buildings like an antem man in the wasp No Maybe we should go back and ask the monkeys for directions Monkeys are intelligent Yeah we're monkeys right? No we're apes You're great apes No that's right humans are great apes So such thing as an ape You're thinking of eight Which is the Or great apes And also the number eight I suppose That too That too It's all monkeys Monkey monkey monkey Return to the monkey Reject biomedical facilities Return to the monkey Was this some kind of apocalypse? There's definitely doctors here They just left Maybe not all of us in the world I'm just uh Giving a casual look to the floor See if there's any rebar I don't see any I don't see any protruding rebar I sure hope there isn't any It's a big set of spikes Like inside of the head drug Joel Ladsen of Hope They mixed the same animation And he's like Oh jeez Like losing dollars full out of his pocket Ellie gather up the coins Ellie that's hell Monkey Jesus Get him Maybe in all that research They turned into fucking monkeys Well maybe in all that research They turned into fucking monkeys Just keep searching we'll find something Really You look kind of depressed Of that thought Oh Get in the weather I don't like sitting Uh oh Do you know where that is? I know the city Is it far? It ain't close I'm in a horseback What? Fireflies? Get down And there we see a raider Devoid of any individual personality And help bent on being aggressive And rude at the back Avoid the species at all costs I do like that you can kind of hear the mute It's the sound effects of like The video game of getting detected Surely they'll be waiting at your horse for you to come back right? Well it depends if they saw the horse yeah I mean you know You want to get out of here as quickly as possible Expressions on both of them Because they both know what it means Like not a Oh no you've been stabbed more of a Shit Joel open your eyes Open your eyes Joel you gotta get up Fuck I'm going What the fuck I'm gonna do A little cliffy hanger Gotta see what happens to Joel So what I was referring to Was um something of an issue I take with uh The last of his game Is the Joel falls I think it's like three meters or something On to rebar and it goes through his whole body And it shows a pool of blood forming That is fucking fast He looks like he's losing shit tons of blood And it's gone like right through his whole body And it's really hard to believe that he survives it It's kind of It's a Serious injury This one is also Serious But it's not quite as crazy Yeah this one I find is easier to believe Uh that he can survive this one Yes like you can survive this But you'll also yeah pass out from some That he's in a he's in a bunch of trouble And also the fact that the fight happens It's like yep gotcha Oh that adrenaline's wearing off Yeah Ah Yep uh though I guess somebody might say that it's like Man pretty shit timing That like when you were there You had that little group of raiders show up Yeah same same thing as the game These are these are normal storytelling issues You usually get with a lot of just People showing up at the the times that are optimal To facilitate conflict and drama Yeah Yeah and you could even say lucky it was just the one That followed them in attacks instead of attracting the Like if it was all four at the same time They'd have been dead Yeah and after he falls on the thing The game still makes you play as him for a little bit And it's very He bleeds for a long time Well it's just a slow walking sequence Which is always fun Right but it really gives you the sensation as a player That he is in a super bad shape Yeah yeah yeah And I will say like a benefit you get with the sequences Seeing Ellie do a lot of the work you usually do And you know Joel having to just desperately watch And I think there's a point where she almost dies And he has to just watch it But you know I just take out a guy Though the one thing I remember is she kills a lot of people In that sequence Because the kill count in the show is a lot less But again an encounter with like four people is really Scary and dangerous Whereas in the game four people it's like that's like Nothing that says barely anybody You know But yeah I don't know what can I say I like a lot of these adaptation changes I think a lot of this makes sense to the show I still think their performances are They've proven themselves really well both of them I feel like at this point it's just a massive cope To pretend like that they're not They're not doing really well And so is the performance Yeah I think so This is clearly is clearly good I don't know I just feel like yeah if you're not given this a chance And if you're just saying it's bad Or saying oh Joel's not acting Or that all the changes are bad changes Or it's not like the game Then I don't know I just I feel like There's a lot of stuff worthy of you know Praise here Well it's no walking dead But I suppose it's all right No walking dead It's no army of the dead But I imagine people may be scared By the fact that we've got Over Last of Us 2 references in this episode It's like we all know it's on the way We know it's coming It will come But I mean surely I guess If it's gonna get set up If it's gonna happen right If it's gonna happen Look how many changes we've made to Last of Us 1 And there was no reason for them to change it In terms of pleasing the audience So to speak So I think that there's a good chance It'll change The Last of Us 2 And if you've got several other creatives Working on the show they might be like Oh hey you know Neil Probably not gonna have this this this Happen because that doesn't make as much sense There's a possibility that'll happen And there's a possibility that through changes That it'll it'll be better But the thing is we I don't think we're gonna be dealing with The Last of Us 2 Before this season ends It's not They haven't got time Not substantially I don't think so Because now we only have episodes 7, 8 and 9 And so it's like we know that The Last One's Gonna be all about the Fireflies We know that we've got the One of them is gonna be a full flashback Which to be honest with you I wouldn't be surprised if that's the next one I think that's the next one The next one might be the appropriate one Actually yeah I in fact In fact I'm thinking about where episode Where the LA storyline Like where the logical end point is Is an episode and it seems like You wouldn't do that And then have the flashback And then yeah the next episode Gotta be gotta be the LA backstory Yeah and if you make 80% of it The LA backstory that Basically has you understand How much she's lost in her life And how much she cares about people And then you end it with The knowledge that she's managed to Repair Joel so to speak And then set up maybe a couple things That was gonna be about in episode 8 And you do episode 8 And there's a payoff in that That I'm very much looking forward To how they're gonna do And then we will all be stressed out Waiting for episode 9 The whole world over That's gonna be a distressed for one For sure But as for this one It just goes like another really solid episode Yeah I mean and there's so many changes Cause like I was gonna say Those two guys we met At the beginning they were fun I liked them and uh Yes yeah I liked them too A little bit of levity Just people out in the middle uh Yeah it's people out there When the guy gets in and she Gives a look It's like uh an implication Of someone's in here And he recognized that But it's too late anyway Cause Joel just immediately says Drop the gun But I like he says Why didn't you shoot him And she just goes The gun's all the way over there And like they seem mostly chill And fun Like you said They've set up the map thing Which I think was a really good choice A lot of smart carefully considered Decisions in regard to Introducing elements from the second game And condensing things The first game The seasons Are quite important Cause it kind of serves as the narrative Framework Of the whole thing Like you have these four Big distinct chapters That are separated by seasons But here we just kind of skipped over The autumn season Just the season Like obviously the events that happen In autumn In the game That's like the whole Finding Tommy at the damn Thing Which is not the Jackson camp Or is it? They don't go to Jackson Like Jackson is off in the distance But they don't go back That don't spend any time there Right But they take the opportunity here to set up The Jackson location Which I thought was a great idea Why not get that out of the way The story more cohesive Cause they know the last two is on the way But we'll have to judge it when it arrives Yeah Like I said There are tweaks That I consider improvements here and there Not including when I limited to the rebar But also just I find the sequence with him and Tommy Especially that they have several conversations To be more convincing I guess Yeah I still like it in the game And I still This is the thing I simultaneously am like Petra Pascal is playing the character Joel Yes But they are different Joels That's not a problem This Joel feels more haggard by life Nothing's working quite like it used to He's getting on And he's so fucking tired Of all of the shit he's had to go through While the game Joel Feels more like I've been through so much It's made me like a terminator It's very compelling to watch Especially when It gets the point of threatening people That he loves And he expresses love in a very Sort of limited more manner While this Joel feels like he's more open to Being vulnerable about his emotions They're slightly different men But I very much enjoy both characters quite a bit Yeah I like that he's more likeable here In the game he In this part He comes off as a real jerk Well you know who's a bit of a jerk In the game at this part Which I'm kind of glad they cut was Ellie finds out That he's planning on leaving her here Or at least palming her off to Tommy And she runs off Now because it's a video game You go after her And you have to fight like scores of bandits Between where she was with you And where she went And like It's a game right So you kill them all And you're like fun game stuff Now cutscene again That's emotional character stuff But it's like yes But that is an event that took place That means that that's what it is Like Ellie How the fuck did you get past all these guys And secondly We all just nearly died Getting back to you Because you ran off Because you're having a temper tantrum That is fucked up And I think like He even brings that up And she's like Oh I guess we both disappointed in each other And it's like Okay And the fact that they're even there Not many bandits I don't have to deal with Ellie doing that On a whim And causing that amount of danger And you know trouble And then Them coming back And this change makes it so well that's gone Like I said the The rebar going through him When I show the clip You'll see how intense it is And the amount of blood loss Wow look at all that blood Look at it Oh my goodness there's so much Look at how much blood there is My good And of course That's when he's been stabbed And then he gets yanked off The rebar Which is gonna tear that wound even more I'm just saying I love the last of us All right But I think even when I was streaming it I was like I don't know if you would have survived this But okie dokie While in this show The woody's got I can very easily believe That he can be patched up I can believe he can survive through that Yeah He'll need to rest a bit And this is kind of what I'm getting at In terms of improvements There are definitely flaws And definitely changes That we've highlighted before as well That are bad I just hope people can accept That there are at least I feel like that one's categorical In terms of an improvement But have you considered an argument That I'm not aware of But you might find Well of course We'll have a comment showcase next time And see if people have other ideas About what was taken away Slash added Through this episode But I was quite happy with this one as well I think five is still my fave But I really like this one Yeah this one I don't think this one's top and five But that's ok It's just laying down More groundwork for It feels like again We're being very deliberate In terms of laying down the groundwork For the choice that Joel's going to be making In the finale As you mentioned earlier In the whole thing of like Just the perception of Jackson Versus what Jackson actually is Based on the accounts of the old couple Feels like that I think you even signaled it It's like ooh It's like yeah It's an interesting one About the nature of perspective Which is going to be relevant In terms of Joel's choice It just makes me a little bit less terrified About what's going to happen In the finale I think I think it's going to be hard for them To fuck up the flashback episode And then they have a really great blueprint For the Cannibal episode And it's all down We said it's all down to that last one I feel like the rest of it Is pretty easy sailing for them Yeah and it may well be That the finale makes or breaks it But I guess I get the impression That it's been thought through And you look back And this is something That you really do have to consider Now I've been made aware Of a lot what's going on with Picard For those who don't know For those who are completely unaware Picard season one and two Are horrible stains on existence And Picard season three Looks like From the very mouth of Gary From NerdRotic From Drinker From Robert Meyer Burnett From Dave Cullen From several others That the new season is actually good That it's worth seeing Which sounds insane right Like imagine you had a trilogy From the offices of Disney And someone said Well the Rise of Skywalker is actually excellent You'd be like What? For real? Like how? Just how? You're following on from continuity But they've seen I think I'm not sure if all four of them have But the four of them have seen a lot Of the season While there's only one episode out I've seen a lot of people Sort of reviewing episode one And saying like I'm out Because they clearly haven't changed X, Y, Z They clearly haven't led to this, this, that They've done this, this, this And it's interesting Because I happen to know A couple of things that are going to happen And a couple of things that people are like Oh, they haven't done this So I'm out And it's like oh Give them, give them Hang on Patience And I think it was either episode three or four Coverage where I was like Fuck it Hang on Let this season do whatever the hell it's gonna do I don't mean that with the last of us now Isn't it interesting to look back After seeing this much And to be like You know Joel and Ellie don't have enough time together You'd be like No they do Especially after these three episodes And then it's like uh You know Frank and Bill They had way too much focus And it's like in retrospect it's like The longer the season goes on The less amount of time They'll have taken up in the season Relatively speaking And like when you take it as a package I know you watch them episodes by episode So you're only gonna have these opinions right And it's like well then You're gonna have to acknowledge Once you watch it as a whole thing And revise it as a Yeah it's gonna have to be revised When you say you've only seen three episodes And thus a whole third of the show Being devoted to two characters Aren't the main ones as a problem It's like I guess it would be Under those very specific filters But you know we were never gonna see them again I think like we spent time with um Bill And like we spent time with Henry and Sam We're probably gonna get a bit of time With like David and his gang Yes Um And probably Marlene and the fireflies This is where I mean I am This let's just put it this way This episode didn't surprise me Other than the um The change with that conversation with Tommy right But a lot of it doesn't surprise me But I'm I'm willing I'm expecting surprises When we get to uh The Cannibal episode and the last one In terms of like Every single line is gonna be so important We'll get there when we get there I guess How long now until the show is just over Is it three weeks Well it'll be three weeks yeah Yeah Three episodes three weeks Been a fun ride That's right I hope it doesn't end with me saying Well I don't recommend this I hope not I hope not But so far so good It's something that if they manage to maintain it To this level by the time we hit the end I would happily recommend it to a lot of people Um it's a good way to consume the story of the last of us If you're not into playing games at all But hey maybe this will usher in the death Of the superheroes dominating everything It's the era of the video game adaptation Thoughtin with something like this Moving on with years of war God of war Tomb Raider Get us that Dead Space TV show do it It would be really good Lots of stuff you could do with it In any case That's episode six Thanks for watching folks Yeah we're getting there And we will see you next time Yeah see you later everybody Bye bye Bye bye Hello and welcome The last of us Episode seven Out of nine We got so close We got so close Is that something they confirmed That there was originally 10 And they squished two into one Was that something that I don't know Some shows now like to do that It used to be that they were 13 episodes Then it got to 10 And now some people do like Eight or nine Back in my day Back in my day It was like 22 episodes a season Oh the good old days And it's funny because there would be More what people call filler But the fact is If it was good filler It would add to the connections All the characters have Well I guess what happened was that HBO and stuff was kind of like And British shows I suppose to some extent Kind of set the idea on people's minds Of like less episodes means better Which is kind of a logical thing Right it's like well You're not stretched to stay More concentrated You have more time for episode Yeah more concentrated But thanks to a lot of these Bad Disney and Marvel shows Less episodes are starting to feel Correlated with the worst quality For some reason Well yeah there's loads of filler This is kind of funny I went straight to talking about filler Which kind of implies you're right About like the perception of it all When there are shows we've watched That are 22 per season That have way more plot Way more quality Oh well Oh yeah I believe I read that the premiere episode Was originally split into two And then HBO told them to Combine them into one Because they were afraid not enough People would stick around after Where the first episode was originally Supposed to end Right They wanted to get Put in more Joe Lanelli Joe Lanelli Yeah Yeah They wanted to get them going On their journey like outside the zone For the end of the premiere As far as I know The numbers have gone up With the more of the shows come out It'll be really curious to see The conversation again About the big decision Joe's Going to make at the end Be it now in TV format Obviously pending Exactly what changes they may or may not make Still be quite interesting Potentially I believe before we even talk about Preamble for what this episode may be We should probably do a wonderful Our epic Comment showcase Comment showcase Here it is Is that the right theme tune? John did it John got it It's all right We made it It's a great theme tune It's very catchy Oh wait Showcase We did it Here we go Regarding the rule of the clickers I guess the eFap crew are not aware that in both games The clickers you can use echolocation When they click Meaning even if you're completely still and silent If the clicker faces your direction and starts clicking It immediately detects you Or well Takes three seconds to find you If you're in 10 or so meters away If a child clicker is looking at Kathleen And Kathleen's completely silent The child clicker will attack Kathleen By the logic of the game That is something we didn't mention at all Which is kind of bizarre to me Because we all know this Or at least I'm pretty sure me, John and Fringy Would definitely know this Having played the game so much We just never used the word echolocation at all When we're talking about it I don't know why I could have sworn we've talked about this in earlier episodes Like episode one or two I thought that we had mentioned it Yes The whole thing with the clickers is that their eyes Are covered by the cordyceps And consequently they need to use echolocation In order to find enemies The obvious thing In the game being that You know when they each fill a different slot The runners can see you So you have to worry about line of sight With the clickers it's much more about Yeah they're yeah Clickers are a lot stronger But with clickers because I can't see It's much more a game of sound Because they even had like the focus mode Where it was about Detecting like how loud you are So you need to like sneak and sort of crouch Walk around the place And it means that yeah Like if clickers see you Like if you're in the line of sight You might be okay If you're moving slowly enough And quietly enough But it's true I don't know why we didn't mention it It's just another reason why It's alright That that clicker attacks Kathleen Okay Yeah Yeah Yet another reason There you go Mention now I find it funny Haha How the show glosses over the fact that Tommy going radio silent Thanks to his wife is what drove Joel To go on the journey in the first place Dude created a domino effect That got tests killed And loads of other people killed Was the goal with the initial car parts To get a car to get to Tommy Was that the idea? So in terms of trying to figure out the timeline I think it was I think so Yeah In which case yes I think that the episode had a job to do And it didn't which was address The fact that he went radio silent on someone Who desperately relies on it And will take drastic action When he doesn't hear from him And the reason seems to be We stay radio silent to avoid attracting anyone here It's like that's great and everything But I'm your brother And you owe me more than that Like the that didn't happen I don't think But there had to be some other option At Tommy's disposal to uh I guess If not he needs to have that moment Where he's like I'm fucking I'm sorry I'm just like Yeah It'd be worth all to have it And I guess it's this comment I think this comment overplays How much of that is on Tommy Um it would be cool to have that Be said to him And see what he says back Sort of thing though at least Right Because he probably would be like Well how how can you put that on me Like how could I possibly know about all of this Well yeah and um Part of what happens in the episode Is that Joel talks about how it's like It's why you left me isn't it Which is I guess how he now sees the radio situation Not one of like negligence But one of like I This is my chance to get yeah abandoned Yeah It's half and half for me I think it would have been cooler To maybe have it be a bit more of it Be like uh you know I searched for you I did everything to find you Then he's like I didn't ask you for anything Or something like that You know Well it's some drama It's a role for drama So worthwhile Alrighty Fringy Fringy Tommy says I have to do this For the greater good Because he believes in the cause of the fireflies In the game Tommy sees how concerned Joel is For Ellie's safety After the attack on the den And suddenly understands what Joel meant By saying Tommy I need this He needs his brother to save him From the possibility of reliving Sarah's death If something was to happen to Ellie Yeah but I'm pretty sure we talked about this in prior episodes I know what the game is doing I think they're trying to imply that you Made it seem as though Tommy's like 90% of his motivation Is for the greater good As opposed to other more personal motivations Okay well so to clarify Because I'm pretty sure I mentioned it before The whole big relevant part with the Henry and Sam plot In the game Is that that is like the moment that kind of reinforces In Joel's mind I need to offload Ellie Like I don't want to be dealing with this anymore It just gives him more of a thrust to be like Well Tommy you knew the fireflies You were connected to all of that You can do it I mean obviously there is that whole notion that Tommy Is you know concerned about Joel and everything Right because yeah in the scene that plays out When he sees that I think Tommy says God damn it like I need to talk to you Maria And then they have the big argument and then they go off So yeah in the game it is definitely more than Just because he believes in the cause of the fireflies But I still say that statement bears out true right He says I have to do this for the greater good Like that is part of why he said it Yeah I think I would concede it's the primary It seems to be anyway I think it is the main one Because there's the connection to the fireflies While in the show Of course there was much more about the personal connection The fireflies are not very relevant at all Which I think I would guess was the point That I was trying to get at Am I doing Chad here or the Well actually kind of voice Why don't you just switch between them But it won't matter what the comet is before we read it Don't know why they made Tommy a father Why would you want to go on a mission With a kid on the way He was willing to do it And he is going to go on an even more dangerous one In season two Ellie provides the possibility to cure the infection So helping her is helping his kid in the long run That's exactly it They will add more depth to his character Because leaving Maria and his kid Both would be an even bigger decision That he will have to make Plus seeing Ellie kill a pregnant Mel And seeing a pregnant Dina Would be an even bigger psychological hit for him Well I have not thought of those things So that is interesting The first thing we say when they show that happen is We comment on like potential story potency And that's what that decision is They've done that Because it's going to create more layers Moving forward And so the only problem you might think it highlights is Well then why would he go anywhere He's got to protect his wife and kid right And it's easy justifications You just have to have the character believe That this is going to be the most beneficial decision To his wife and kid Yep People have gone on dangerous missions And done dangerous things And have fought for dangerous causes If they even if they have kids Or have kids on their way Joel wants him to go Is that he believes that he can handle This sort of back and forth mission to where he's going While Joel's not sure he can And there's a lot of reasons to believe that One psychologically But there's also just He knows the terrain Like he knows the area I do find it a bit of a shame That they cut the escape So short after Joel gets stabbed Versus the game With how close Ellie comes to dying A couple of times during the sequence in the game It's basically show Joel's worst fears Almost playing out right in front of him And it would tie well into his actions From here on in her defense Probably the one thing I think that was complicated I would have liked maybe to have kept somehow Is that I quite like the imagery of him Bleeding out Fading out of consciousness Watching her Narrowly survive an attack Because as I've just said However we'll say We're going to be getting something Pretty strong like this In episode eight I would imagine I think she's fine to fair number of people During that when they're walking back to the horse Whereas obviously the show is much more low Scaled down, yeah For sure Very much scaled down Which probably plays out more logically In a live action show Yeah it can have more of a punch potentially too When you scale certain things down I thought it was common knowledge To never pull out anything that has punctured your body Don't pull out guys More as David Attenborough accent is top notch Also I have no experience or knowledge of this at all But wouldn't pulling the knife Or whatever had stabbed Joel out to make things worse I thought you were meant to leave things in Until there's a safe way to remove them Slash to prevent blood loss It just seems strange to me How he randomly removed the object And then he bleeding suddenly got so much worse Like why would you do that? In the game it obviously made sense Because he was impaled on something But this is so different I prefer the rebar over being stabbed There's an actual reason to take it out He is pinned with it As for the stab in the show He shouldn't have pulled it out It's basic medical aid To not take something out if you can Try and stabilize it say By wrapping it tightly to you To keep it from moving around And leaving it in Gives you a higher chance Of not bleeding out Oh no I got stabbed by a thing I should totally pull this out And let myself bleed like crap Wouldn't that be a smart move? No! No it wouldn't Stop doing this At least in the game He was stuck on something So he had no choice So let's talk about this I was playing atomic heart And I had people back and forth Think a big bunch about this We got some experience maybe On this with rags here About wounds But then there's also our basic knowledge When it comes to these sorts of events The reason we didn't comment on it Apparently is that the four of us Had a similar perspective on this Which was that Joel in shock Pulled something out that he thought Was going to be a lot shallower Than it actually was And you do that in that environment To immediately prevent any possible infection Or at least further infection Than it's already there Because it's an old piece of wood That's stuck in him It's really bad if it gets into your Insides so to speak I don't think Especially judging from his reaction That he thought it was anywhere near as deep As it ended up being It was the snapped-off handle of a wooden bat Right? Yep, that's right Okay, yeah And there's just a really long shard of it That was inside And he didn't think it was Of course, the fact that he didn't Feel it clearly That's the thing, I didn't Adrenaline That's how I took it when I watched it I was like, oh, fuck He, like, obviously he was hoping That was not as bad as it actually was As we sit around watching this In the comfort of our own homes On our chairs, in our houses And we're not pumping, you know Full of adrenaline And we're not stressed out And we're not in intense pain And we have not just killed someone with our hands It's easy to look at someone else And criticize the decisions that they make In those kinds of moments He was obviously in a very stressful situation So him doing that I think it If you survive this long In a post-apocalypse You probably would have come to understand The whole concept of, you know Like leaving something in Because you don't want to bleed out I just think the fact that What it actually happens to you And you're in that situation I think that's a good argument Yeah, I think the whole And you look down and it's I mean, when it's When you look down and it's in you You might not be thinking about that You might think like, oh, shit, this thing's in me I have people fighting over it in chat And one person said The whole fucking point is You're supposed to wait until you're in a safe place Before you yank it out So that you can Bought out the to come blood And then someone else said no The whole fucking point of not pulling it out Is that you can get to hospital Where they can sort you out Because you're already gonna be set for antibiotics They'll take care of it This will does not have that This will doesn't even necessarily have Necessary safe places So just like they're being chased by bandits But him pulling it out Has reason behind it And he's in shock Oh, and what does it look like If you're on a horse that's galloping And you've got a giant chunk of wood stuck in your gut That's another thing that happened So someone in chat said Obviously you shouldn't have pulled it out Because having a wound just open Like that on the horse Is gonna crush an open bubble And then someone said How is it better with the wood in That he's on the horse Yeah, bouncing up and down While the horse is running I feel like the reality is There are no great choices here It's not what to do All the question is Can you believe he would make that decision In that moment of my answers? Yes, I don't really have a problem Absolutely, I could Yeah If you're in a situation like that And you're with him And he pulls that out And you got to get on that horse You want to be holding something And putting a lot of pressure on there And you want to keep that You know, kind of still And you want to make sure That you can kind of Sort of seal it back up as best as you can You don't want it to just Have blood flowing everywhere Because that's not good And yeah, I still think it's I'm sorry, it's just Even if we counted this strictly As a flaw that he pulled it out I would still count it better As the game Because the game When he just should have been dead Just throwing this comment Into the wild Because A Haven't seen a comment Bringing it up B I'm curious And would like to explore And dive deep And C Why not? At 3340 Where the dog is sniffing out For infection It gives Ellie the pass Mahler and rags briefly infer That it's because of her immunity I think it is a reasonable interpretation to make Ellie's immunity From what I understand Is rare and special So there may be effects We don't know about Having said that Does it seem convenient or lucky That her immunity has this effect? There might even be an argument That it is plot armor On top of that The system the posse uses To search for infected Seems a bit contrived as well They have guns And they clearly don't mind Using up their bullets Or making noise Since the guy says Quote Last chance for a bullet Why not order the duo To strip to check for bites I think the series may have ended If that happened Perhaps this moment with the dog Was meant to set up part Of the later emotional conversation Between Joel and Tommy Where Joel feared Ellie Would be ripped up However I do wonder If it was worth the cost Of having the dog Is there a way to write the scene Where the tension Could still be present But still have something more logical Than a dog search I don't really take any issue with it I don't have any issue with it at all So we know that the time it takes Between getting bit And someone turning into an infected Is at the most Like if they get bit on like the ankle or something It's gonna be like what 12 hours Pretty quick So the Something like that Yeah, that noise is gonna be a day Probably not There's not gonna be a lot of time It's a very quick onset For this kind of an infection If they have a dog who's doing it Dogs are really good At this sort of thing And if they have a dog who's doing it Then they have experience doing this in the past And they believe the dog to be pretty accurate And it's shown itself to be pretty accurate And I think it's a matter of what it's actually smelling It's probably smelling the wound itself When it's smelling people Because again It's not like this is a long process If you've been bit by it The bite and the wound leave some kind of a An odor that's on the outside of the body Because of you know the bite And that's what the dog is probably smelling But Ellie's wounds have been healed for months And I don't think that the presence of this Whatever it is in the blood We don't have any reason to think that it's Perceptively different to you know Regular blood Especially when it's inside of her Maybe if Ellie had big open wounds But you know even then I doubt it Because the wounds wouldn't be like Infection bites or anything really here Pretty sure the commentary even says like Well yeah I mean you know It's science fiction right Like whatever the immunity is It may just manifest in a way That means that she's immune from The dog noticing I suppose it really is the question of Is it that unreasonable or ridiculous That they would use a dog to search I don't think it's unreasonable I mean would you use a dog now right If it works And even compared to stripping them Like I would rather use the dog The dog is pretty cool Yeah I feel like the dog is better The dog can just instantly Especially if it has a reliable track record I mean we use dogs now right To search for things Yeah we do Not pretty good And it truly is Up to the writer It is a bit of a winner It's truly up to the writer Whether or not dogs can sense it in Things slash Whether or not the dogs are even immune to the The virus they've obviously chosen One of two options on both of those And then we look at what we got Which is that we got the tension with Joel Being really you know Scared about what was gonna happen To then feed into the scene with Tommy One scene I dislike in this episode Is with the sniffing doggo If Ellie has traces of virus left From fighting off infected Why did it get super friendly Conversely if she isn't a carrier Why did it approach her so much more antagonistically Than Joel I get it That's how the show creates dispels Tension but doesn't make much sense To me within the show Well you can easily headcanon The dog thought it smelled something Maybe But then didn't Maybe it could have just been Just that's how the dog was feeling In that moment With no real clue The dog made its choice That you know she was cool And we don't know what the traces of this virus Would if at all smell like Yeah I mean I can't see this being contradictory It's just some choices made to have the scene Get a bit more tension That doesn't contradict anything I like in the scene where Joel is teaching Ellie How to shoot His main critique is that she keeps flinching Then when he takes the gun and shoots the dummy He doesn't flinch But she still does Even though she's not the one with the gun To show that Yeah she is flinching And Joel does know what he's talking about It shows his experience with the weapon That he can recognize someone else's shortcomings With it and try to teach them Knowing how to do something And then knowing how to do it so well That you can teach it to others Around two totally different levels I just thought that was neat There's a couple of neat things that happen in relation to that on the show Also a couple flaws here and there But hey, you point them out where you can Speaking of fun fact Around the time Joel and Ellie crossed the bridge in this episode It is possible to spot the filming crew in the corner Really? I double-checked Unless this is true I figured you would The big wide shot where they're heading across the bridge Oh yeah, wow, look at that Yeah, right, see that? Look at that, there they are They're right down there There's that bottom left there Just a big crowd of people It's like, oh that's all good All right Hey, Joel and Ellie, look, survival It's a bird's-eye view, right? Over the bridge All the Jackson people They come across these two people in the wilderness And just like a film crew Following them in the middle of the apocalypse We're filming a little documentary We've been going for 20 years And our whole point is to stay off the grid And not connect to the world in any way And you're like, oh Everyone that they meet goes along with it They don't bother They act like the film crew's never there Like all the raiders and even the zombies and everything They know so they just ignore the film crew The old couple at the start Had seriously some of the funniest dialogue I've heard She gives so little of a shit And probably knows that lying And being hostile would just make it worse Her husband clearly being annoyed at her decisions Makes it so much funnier Nice with some proper and appropriate levity And a very dour sharing Yeah, I really like that I'm very sorry, by the way I'm not, I don't even like, I'm just fucking around No offense to the commenters These are fine comments I did really like that scene with the old couple That one neat Well, so the way I imagine it happened Was she was just sitting and they're doing a thing He comes in with a gun to her And says like, don't make any sudden movements And she's just like, ah, am I dead then? Or what are we doing? And he's just like, no, no I just need some information Then I'll leave you alone And she's like, okay And then like they wait for the husband Eventually she's just like, do you want some soup? Like I could totally see that happening It'd be really fun Well, I do largely agree with you guys As analysis of the series It does feel like you guys have given Way more grace to projects You want to be good And much more critical life of things You want to suck What do you mean want to be good and want to suck? That's not a thing for us We take everything as it comes We want everything to be good So yeah, ideally if everything could that be nice But I'm pretty sure you guys can just look At the way we talked about this show Before it came out We were not that optimistic No, we shout on it quite a bit And we were through memes about The Last Miss 2 We were actually quite optimistic honestly About what the show was going to be But I feel like at this point It's basically won us over By being pretty consistently quality I will never stop referencing How in Batwoman The second they gave us a good scene We all shut the fuck up and then praised it Yes, that's right The scene with Luke and that guy Yeah, I have referenced it before and again Like how do you think that happens If all we're looking to do is clown on a show The goal is not to be bad faith In that coverage Like ever Yeah, like we want good stuff I don't like these sorts of observations Of like, oh, you guys are just giving this one So much leeway It's like, man, I really don't feel like That's the case Make better arguments That's all I'm going to keep saying back to this Well, make some arguments Make an argument at all I think is what I want Instead of just saying it Yeah, because obviously all we have to say In response is, oh, no you I think that you guys go way too harsh On things you don't like And you're way nicer to things you do like In, you know, opposite to us, I guess I wondered this about Batwoman And the Resident Evil movies You don't need to wonder about those You're okay I guess the thing is that Batwoman's an interesting one Because it's like So when you go to watch Batwoman You know it's going to suck, right? It's like, yeah We're 99.9% confident And yet we still point out If we think it's doing good at anything Yeah, because they have that one good scene That's right One good scene in two seasons I think they've had instances of acting In moments where we've been like Oh, that looked okay You know, like choreography maybe But most of the time, yes Yeah, because obviously we expect it to be bad And we expect that that badness is going to be really funny And worthwhile to point out and observe But I mean, if a good scene shows up If something is commendable Then it ought to be commended If you feel that way Then you'll have to prove it Provide a similar point that they let pass In things they like But to the opposite In things they don't like The Last of Us 2 versus God of War Ragnarok When they talk about how the games Emotionally manipulate you Using the death of a dog So I'm hoping that the commenter is pointing out It's like, that's an example The problem is it's like Am I meant to read that as a thing Where we let it pass and Ragnarok But criticize it in the last of us two Yes, 100% I think the point there Is that if you have a bias in favor Of God of War Ragnarok And so they allowed a manipulative set We did, Fringy We talked about it for so fucking long We talked about our coverage And we talked about it in response to the Synthetic Man video Who made the same point about The Last of Us We got to speedrun it a little bit Because this is the thing It's our job We got to explain this stuff People apparently didn't understand So we got to do it again The purpose in The Last of Us 2 And how killing a dog Was supposed to achieve something In terms of writing It's like, what happened? Well, isn't it sad That Ellie kills a dog That was friendly to Abby earlier in the timeline And you were happy with this dog And you know this Because of a scripted fucking fact sequence Meant to make Abby come across as more likeable But also to just make you be like Oh, cool, a dog And then it's really sad Because you kill that dog as Ellie Isn't that sad? It's like, okay And so this is an attempt to humanize her desperately Because this takes place soon after she's killed Joel And you're playing us here So her playing with the dog Is supposed to make you be like Oh, I like dogs Okay, Abby isn't so bad And then to have Ellie kill that same dog You're like, oh, Ellie Oh, but it's like Well, except remember It was the other way around The dog dies first And then you find out Oh, I'm not talking about How it's been like What we're supposed to take away from it It's the dog you played fetched with Isn't that fucking sad? That's it, that's it It has no layers beyond that Well, I say it's transparent It's pathetic And it's an attempt to jumpstart Likeability in a character I have no sympathy for a fucking creature That tries to kill me Just because I played fetched with it earlier I don't even know Like, why would earlier in timeline Later in the game? Continuity? Yeah, continuity, that'd be it Look at cute dog And then how cute dog lights Abby Don't you like Abby? And then don't you hate the dog had to die sad? Do you remember the controversy over that too? They promised no one would have to kill a dog in the game And then they had to That was the dog they had to kill Geez, all right, yeah Now, maybe someone in the audience is thinking What? That's the exact same thing as Ragnarok though Not that right there What you just saw, that seems Ragnarok So, okay In Ragnarok The primary purpose, I think, of the event Is to show Atreus Like a character we've known And fucking hopefully liked For 50 hours dealing with death Is gonna feed into the major Deal with the impermanence The impermanence of life The major plotline is gonna be His ability to deal with his father's incoming death And a big old chunk of foreshadowing That his desperation to prevent death Can lead to much more drastic decisions Such as hanging out with Odin Or sympathizing with Asgard Those are gonna be significant elements to the story And it's all gonna come from his fear Of losing his father And his fucking disdain For allowing people he loves to die We see in the scene Contrast pretty sharply with Kredos' Awareness of what's happening here And basically acceptance That this is what's happening That Fenrir is dying Yes Atreus needs to accept that Then And deal with it And help it It prompts the soul to enter the knife Which has major implications on the plotline later on All of this Gets us to the bare payoff And everything in between You also have this event Being incredibly important to Kredos Like it's a representation of his Basic approach to grief Like Fringe just said As well as Atreus is And it's consistent with what we know about him But it's still a refresh You even have Mimir about like how it's like Oh man you gotta be more opened up You can't just be so closed off It's like he's the two opposites at that point in the story Just right at the beginning In terms of how they deal with this sort of thing This prompts the big blowout The big conversation that Atreus has with Kredos Cause he's like we gotta start training We gotta be prepared And he's like we can't keep fucking hiding And then Fenrir's burial Gets the point where Atreus discovers new abilities And he has to be able to control them It strains the father-son dynamic Which stretches and reforms throughout the whole game Showcases both characters' responses To grief generates the opening plot line Builds up significant portions of the I guess you'd say Deuteragonist plot line being Atreus Close to halfway in the game And then it sets up the major payoff in the third act In several ways for Fenrir On top of all that It's a fucking amazingly acted scene And it's an event that no human being Really has any issue with relating to The death of a pet Most people understand the pain of this And so knowing who Fenrir is Is not important to the scene It's knowing who Atreus and Kredos are And what it'll do going forward When it tells you about them It has so much purpose And the fact that people feel so much The dog's dying Is actually blinding them To seeing what is actually the purpose of that scene They see the dog dying And they close their brains off They're like, oh, it's just fucking emotional And it's like, no, no, no There's so much happening here That's gonna play into things later on We're forgetting that fundamentally The goal of a story is to essentially Evoke some level of emotions from you Like it's trying to get you to feel A certain way at specific times That's not a bad thing No All of it comes down to how purposeful it is How well executed it is And I would hope That there would be a recognition Of the major differences between these two scenes Other than dog died You're meant to be sad about that Like that is some of the most reductive Like analysis of what was happening in Ragnarok To then compare it to like The Last of Us 2 Maybe we're wrong Like that's insane, you gotta like re- Maybe we're wrong about The Last of Us 2 And there's more going on with that dog That we didn't realize That you can connect in the same way That we did with all those things in Ragnarok, right? But we call it manipulation in The Last of Us 2 Because the dog is fucking wheeled On to the stage to be cute And hopefully make you feel better about Abby And then it's killed in a QTE thing by Ellie And it's meant to be sad Because you played fetch with it It's like that's pathetic It's really not It's really not anything more than that Compared to again How much is to be gleamed And drawn from that scene in Ragnarok And everything that it feeds into For the rest of the story You can't be saying that like These are exactly the same This shows the bias of EFAB It's like what do you mean? The effort I don't know, I feel like it's still in the bias of you Like I don't know what to say Like you just don't recognize What these are I'd say that first and foremost Like you should be able to look at basically anything Including things that suck And try to be able to like Present good faith understanding Of what the objectives you can gleam From like what's happening in a scene And then to explain you know Why you don't think it works Or anything like that I feel like that needs to apply here What are they trying to do here Beyond just make me feel sad Even to downplay Like making you feel sad Like it's valid to try and extract Some emotions from you as a player or a viewer Yeah, I don't know Like that's kind of hilarious That would even be sad We talked about this in the stream This is what I'm saying It's annoying but acceptable When someone says I think that scene sucked Explain to me why it's more meaningful Than I think it is Like okay But to do it after we've explained this Twice Come on And to them not only bring To bring it up and say Ah see this is an example of EFAP's biases Because they like God of War Ragnarok So Why do you think we like it Yeah I know it's Well it's just like I don't know what's the difference Between letting it slide And having a reason for it Like in your In your view Watching the comment section Slowly turned against the panel with each episode Has been an interesting experience I would say as someone who keeps an eye on the comments It's been flowing in all different directions at all times They have ignored Many things They would have otherwise called out And have called out in many different shows Such as They've been so effing effusive In their praise for the show That when Molly said he still prefers the game Parentheses at the beginning of the video It sounded like a lie Lol Like going on and on About how your hot wife's twin sister Is just to turn around and say But I still prefer you Lalalalalalala sounds disingenuous. So they're unhappy because they don't believe me when I say I prefer the video game. Here's the problem that Mola's going to face. We're talking about the show. He doesn't get to sit down and explain in detail like everything he likes about the game because the game is coming in and out of our discussion. You know, while we're going through the show, we're watching the show. But watch my stream on the last of us. I'll tell you everything I like about it in there. I feel like it's so obvious. We're talking about the show. We're not talking about the game as much right now. So like Mola can't lay out all of the arguments like from beginning to end of the reasons why he prefers the game to the show at any given moment. I have a preference for the Joel with a tougher wall that's being broken down. Instead of him being his wall is softer to begin with. I prefer it being harder to begin with. Again, that's just a preference. There's not I don't think it makes a character better or worse. I prefer Joel and Ellie's performance in the game to the to the show. The show they've had to sort of convince me while in the in the game. I was into it straight away. So and that I think I could argue more than just a preference. I prefer how the story is paced in the game than the show. I'm fine with the show's pacing. I just think the games is better. I'd have to go into more detail to be able to argue that, but I can't right now. I prefer the amount of time I spend with Ellie and Joel in the game. And the fact that it's a game is kind of the benefit it gets here, which is a little bit unfair, but hey, that's just the reality of mediums. I get to survive as Ellie and Joel in all of the gameplay. And so it like it can almost run subconsciously in my mind that they've spent a lot of time together and been through a lot of things together. And that can help me bind them in my own mind as well. There's things that happen in the show that don't happen in the game. Like I'm pretty sure Joel doesn't barter with one soldier that just so happens to be the one he bumps into that night. I'm pretty sure that's a change that we were against. Joel's like aim bar in episode five. Was it the that's not that's not something any, but everyone pointed that out. I was like, yep, that's not good. Joel like didn't take anywhere near the amount of resources from Frank and bills that everyone was thought to be reasonable. I can't think of many arguments against the fact that he's like you only took the rifle and that was it. Is that really weird? At least that's all I think we you took some tins, but it's just like you think you would have taken more than that. Did they ever try to even distract the clickers in episode two? I think that was something I was I was highlighting as like because you get to do it in the games all the time. It's kind of fun. It just seems like something if you're familiar with clickers which they are, they should know to try throw a anything across the other side of the room sort of thing. It doesn't even get referenced. Um, when Tommy for some reason ditches them in episode one when he really didn't need to right? That's that's that's just a gargling worse change. Yeah, that was I remember that we felt that the scene as a played out with Joel being confronted by the soldier just played out in a way that seemed a little awkward. Then, uh, then it's in the game. Yeah. Yeah, and some place and the slope and everything like it just didn't flow as much. We just talked about earlier how it would have been better to have addressed the the whole like he didn't talk to him on the radio anymore. Like that that's something they added in and then didn't I think do enough to work with the test his choice to use the lighter instead of a grenade, which would have been like just a way better fucking choice way more consistent. Joel didn't take anything in that building, right? When he when it was loads of guns and ammo on the floor and he didn't take any of it. He just had what he had with him, which is another just like what the fuck are you doing these things? Like I don't know if necessarily I want to say all of these things, but I don't think these things happen in in the game. Do you remember when they replayed the the the clip of Sarah? Yeah, yeah, that was that was a bit embarrassing. Don't need to do that. Joel didn't take the shotgun that he got off that kid that he killed. It's just because there's so many of these things that have been listed as part of. Yeah, well, there you go. All of those things. I'm pretty sure I either consider to be non-existent or better in the game and then the funny part is I didn't need all those references. I don't think because I've already highlighted the primary draw of this story is those two main characters. And I think the performances and the relationship are superior in the game. I need to see this through to the end to be able to say if I think that definitively. But the thing is I don't think that it's like this wide gap between them. I just prefer the game. Well, if I were to say right now, I haven't made my mind up. I'm basically waiting until the end of the season to see what I think overall in terms of which I was better. So like if someone asked me which you think is better, I think my answer right now would be, I don't know, get back to you in a couple of weeks. And then I'll figure it out. You know, there are things to be critical of that are like in the show and the game just to because this this I'm kind of coming back to the whole like we're apparently so hyper biased in favor of the show. The fact that the luck of the Raiders tuning up at the uni at the same time as they did. It's like that's my name. Yeah, we're pretty fucking hilariously lucky that the sniper can't shoot for shit. It's dark and he has shit aim. Nobody's going to kill me. I know you could be like, oh, it's just an old dude. Right. It's like, I mean, that's still luckiest. Fuck man. They all could have died. They did know he was there. He could attack daddy. What are those for? But he didn't. I think when they decide into like move through the city, they just commit to that building because they want to get a higher view of stuff when they're like, oh shit, it's probably infested and so I think rags was like, is there no other option in the city? Is that it? It's like, well, we got our set piece to do. And it's like, okay. Yeah. And how like only one Raider Attack Joel in that sequence we said, I remember saying these are all off the top of my head. I can't remember. We've pointed out way more flaws than this, but I'd have to go through all the episodes. The point is, this is kind of annoying. I would say that we categorize as best we can based on everything we're seeing and we're doing all of this like off the fucking cuff, live reaction straight away. This isn't we all get to watch this twice or three times, right? A script corrected over and have it proofed by friends or something. And I think the best thing we can do is then check out people making arguments in response. And that's what I feel like we're doing. And some of them are good. Some of them aren't so good. I don't know. The best people come up with is that we're biased because we like the show, which is a really weird thing to start pulling, but they've only started pulling that like after the first four or five episodes coverage, because if anyone had said anything about our feelings for the show, it would have been negative. But it feels weird that that's the choice of bias when obviously if we get to motivation mine in the opposite direction, what are we going to say? You all hate it because the last of us too. You hate against a Neil Druckmann. Constructing a motivation for you is way easier for us than it is for you about us. Like, you have to say that we like it too much. Like, oh, okay. Well, you don't like it too much. Like, there you go. You don't like it enough. If you want us to join you in that horny hatred, you got to give us arguments and they got to be good. They can't be just, you're being too nice. I just hope we get stuff that's a bit more substantive, which we had plenty of in this episode. I'm going to grab them as soon as I see them. It's a defense against criticism, but I said, I like the game more. Do I just lie and say that I don't so that they don't think I'm being disingenuous? I guess that's the better. Nothing. People are still bewildered by the idea of something being properly adapted and are struggling to move on from the mindsets of previous worse shows to call out imaginary criticisms. Yeah, I think that's kind of true. You got to assume there's at least someone here who's a little angry at this IP and that's what's fueling a lot of the criticism. Right. Maybe somebody show us a lot of things to praise those. So their praise is pretty understandable. Well, I would hope that the understandable praise is understandable as in like we're not trying to praise it for no reason or desperately would try to praise things that we spot that we think are good. So, you know, let us know if we fuck that up. Maybe they just missed those things. It's easier to miss flaws and things that you like. And I think that would be best accentuated by the crew being spotable at the show. None of us saw that. Probably would have seen it on fucking five viewings, but there it was. And I'm happy to be like, oh, shit, that's a fuck up. But obviously the scale rises and there are other things that we don't necessarily spot that can be drastic. If you don't like this, you're a toxic fan. That's how this eFap sounds to me. Bit of a reductionist view. I don't know why you're trying to almost couch it in the lens of like the way that showrunners will talk about. I don't know, like fans who disagree with the I assume he might be referencing when like Rags said if you think that the acting is bad, you're coping or something like that. And I should be like, we never called anyone toxic for not liking the show. And nor did we ever mean that to be the case. You're hearing things that aren't quite there. You're allowed to not like something. That's fine. We want better discussion. All right. So do away with this shit. The whiny shit. I don't want any of this. Talk about the arguments. All right. They're better. They're more interesting. And when you say that we're making when we're screwing up, just put in one example so that we can at least latch onto that. And please don't choose the death of the dog in God will write after all the time that you go to abandon the dog water. Right. Don't do it. And so I wanted to say, like, I don't recall any of you referring to anybody as a toxic fan regardless of whether they had a good argument or not. And whenever they do have a good argument, you're I find that you're quite happy to respond to it and engage with it. That's the goal. Acknowledge whether it's a good point or not very. Do you remember? Um, there was a there was a person who loved Laska's one and there was like a clip that went around the Internet when Laska's two came out where he was once Joel died. He like ejected the game and chopped it up with the scissors and he was like tearing up or whatever. He was very fucking furious personally pissed off and that's the thing. I recognize with a lot of media, you will get very personally invested. And so the residue of the fiery insult people had felt from the Laska's two is just bleeding all over this game. And whenever there's a reference to Laska's two or change that seemingly seems in favor of it, people are ready to fucking pounce on this thing. And if you have people like us being like, you should calm down. This stuff is actually pretty good. We can come across as crazies to them, which all right. That's something I would but like I get it. I get it. Whatever feelings and baggage you might be coming into it with owing to, you know, attachment to the series, which I mean, most of us here have if we can do it. You can certainly do it cause I mean, especially here because we've got such a mixed bag, right? Cause I'm more low and I have a lot of experience with all of the games. More legs and I don't like the last of us to John likes the last of us to it's like a real it's a real amalgamation of different perspectives and experience with the series. So I certainly don't feel like what you're getting here is an echo chamber at the very least wouldn't be an echo chamber or you wouldn't expect it to be one based on all of the perspectives that are feeding into it. And however this was going to turn out like I came on here. I was happy to but I expected that I was going to be like the one liking this show and that you guys probably maybe wouldn't care for it. I wasn't sure. I didn't know. I just thought like they didn't like last of us to maybe they won't like this. Maybe they'll screw this up, but it's been a pleasure to realize that we're kind of on the same page. I think with this show and if we weren't that that would be okay too. But it's I just think it's similar. We're all giving values with storytelling and yeah, different arguments. Yeah, they'll give credit to the praise where it's deserved. I think the premise of this IP of EFAP is to just break things down and find the things that are there and then draw them to conclusions and other people hopefully can see them or find flaws in them or see things that both of them and then they talk back and forth and reach some kind of conclusion. Like I said, depending on how how charged the media is, like I said, this is not our first controversial opinion. Like I said, it was really weird last time that they referenced tlj when it's like man, can you think of all the crazy things that have been said between now and tlj in terms of hot takes from us? Like oh yeah. And that was a hot take by the way tlj saying tlj is bad. That was that was one of those polarized discussions on media ever. Yeah, it really was times are changing, but also they don't really in a way. And the Last of Us TV show is just the next in a line. But I still think it's very good. So let me know if there's things I've missed or maybe things that you think were very erroneous about the arguments we just made or we'll go on to make about whatever episode we're dealing with this time. Because I enjoy checking them out preamble what we've come to understand from different like next time-ons or assumptions about the structure of the show. The way the Last of Us game happened was that you know it all released and then it got a DLC and the DLC took place between two parts of the game and that the remain I guess relatively a spoiler free. I wouldn't have assumed you'd think Joel would die in that moment, Mragh. So especially with you know exactly when and where he actually dies. The point of the game is that you deal with Ali for a while and then Joel does wake back up after she's given him some help. And so they show us in the DLC how she managed to at least begin getting him back to health and we get flashbacks with her life before the fireflies before Joel and stuff with a certain character and it looks like that's what they're going to be doing this episode. I wouldn't be surprised if we're dealing with the same format as the Frank and Bill one that's probably going to be all focus on Ali's history. Frank and Bill. Yeah, but that's my guess. The way they did it with Frank and Bill was a starting and ending scene with Ali and Joel. So I wonder if they'll do that for this as well. Um, yeah. The way they've been building these stories is that the story in her history is going to relate directly with Joel and I would imagine that it's pretty easy to draw it from the game anyway, but we'll see how the show does it, I suppose. I'm just growing a dog could smell these credits or could it? Is it the ones that it smells? We went over that. It's been telling people it can detect it, but really it doesn't. It just gets rid of people it doesn't like. Yeah. I think that we are doing the same format of seeing what's happening in the present day story. Right, because we're in snowy times. Yes, not to say that this is the first time there's been snow in the history of this world, but you know, but there's the blood there. So look until we see anything that contradicts that information for you, we will we will maintain this is the first snow on earth in this in this. How will they deal with this? What's all this white stuff? I'll be pretty fucking weird when the first time that happens in all of human history. Really cold water. They put snow on that horse and he was like, I'm gonna get rid of it. Yeah, I think I've had an animal abuse. This is already different. He's awake. He'll probably go, but then she'll go grab something. I don't think she's intending to leave Joel at this point. I think she's like, I'll go, but I'm just going to go get a first aid. Oh, no, I'm suggesting that the payoff will be she doesn't of course. Right, right, right. I don't think that's going to be a surprise to anybody. I'm just saying, I don't think even for a moment she was thinking like, I'm going to just leave. I'm willing to believe there's 10% even of her brain being like if I leave, get on the horse now. I can get back to the Tommy people and live a nice happy life. Do I really have any chance of leaving Joel here? That might be a little little whisper in there. Sure. That's fair. With a fair pace. I'm not running double the game. Oh, no bully character. Is this the house lights flickering right now in the gym? Yeah, I guess so. Maybe the power is really spotty. Yeah. I think she's consistent here. That's a nice detail. She got hit in the face. That's called abuse. Captain Kwong. I think he was in the expanse. Yeah. I think that's what I recognize him from. It's funny because I recognize him and I'm like what from it could be that. Yeah. Two paths ahead of you. A mug path. You keep acting like a grunt so you get the life up at dawn. Walk the streets. Walk the wall. You take shit orders from your patrol leader who'll probably be Bethany. And that'll be your life from now until you catch a bullet from a firefly or fall drunk off a roof or get your hair caught in a moving tank tread. Dang. Yeah. Get your hair. Oh, look, it's a naughty dog. Poor. We're cooling summer warm in the winter and best of all, when you're an officer, you get to tell the Bethanese of the world exactly where to shove it. See, you can be a bully to bullies. Yeah, that's right. But you can work within the system to bully people. Yeah. You can become a Kwong all of your own. This is Fedra she's with, right? And this is cool to have a guy be like we're what keeps things sane and cool in order and people protected. It would fall to chaos without us. Like, yeah, they're on strictly assholes. Regardless of yeah, they're like that. He has some conviction. You want to take the mug way or the Kwong way? Oh, the Kwong way. Oh, Kwong. Because obviously there are Fedra outposts or locations where they all went fucking nuts apparently like Kansas City. Well, yeah, because you imagine any amount of coordination just deteriorates over time. They start to become more yeah. Independent. Well, some of them. Yeah. Don't give the Walkman just to earn it with Kwong points. You have to turn in 200 Kwong points and you get you don't just get a Walkman. You get your Walkman back. But every individual piece of trash she picks up from the floor has one Kwong point. So it would be a Walkman because of the 2003. Right. That was when the apocalypse started. I mean, no, I thought yet, I guess. Yeah. I don't remember the portable CD players. Right. Well, I thought might have been like right around the beginning there. Yeah. They were definitely portable CD players. Oh, I had a walking man. Did you guys have a walking man? I did. I had a little CD player further reinforcing all of the space stuff with all these posters. Yes. I wanted to murder you. I had some films. Hmm. This is my corner. That's your corner. You stand your side of the room. You know, Scott, if you could see music by Jerry Goldstein if it in a space, it'd be so funny if they had like there was a name in that credit. They didn't notice was someone who's worked on this too and they'd be like, does that is that a problem? Got to do a different cannon. I don't know, whatever. I'm only 10 Kwong point short of a CD player. Go collect some trash. Yeah, good citizen. You can every pound of trash. You get a Kwong point every pound. I said for every individual item, but now you know that's pretty excessive. This is a world full of trash. We got I mean, he's giving it for 200 Kwong point. She gets back her walkman. That's not costing him much of anything. I know, but it's not about him. So I'm saying the good stuff costs you like 10,000 Kwong points. Oh, yeah. Like without that'd be really good stuff though. You know, there's a little kiosk and he's got like a big fluffy teddy bear. This is like 5,000 Kwong point. No, that would be crazy. Riley. Ow. I landed on my hip. What the hell? I thought I was bitten. I know. It was kind of awesome. Let me like that. It was a joke. Okay. I thought it would work better. You're not going to kill me. Are you? I haven't seen you and I don't even know how long. 45 days? Well, 46 technically. I thought you were dead. You've been gone for three weeks. I should fucking stab you. No, I appreciate your mercy. All this time, I thought you were dead. Yeah. Here. Look. I'm fine. I just ran away for a bit. That's all. If you're going through some shit, you're supposed to, I don't know, talk to your best friend about it. No way. Still no roommate? I had to sleep under Liz for three years and you know how bad that girl smelled. Who gave you the black eye? Tell me what you were. Give me a name and I'll fuck them up. It was Bethany and I already fucked her up. Where were you? You're a firefly. You still have it up. I joined the firefly. No, fuck you. I'm not in the mood for this Riley. I'm really not in the mood. What? What are you doing? I'm making sure I don't get caught with the firefly in my room. Relax. There are no soldiers on the entire floor. You're a firefly? Jesus. I told you I'd fucking do it. Talking about liberating the QZS not the same as fuck. Where did you even go? Here, congrats. Hey, are we cool? Are we cool? Come with me for a few hours and have the best night of your life. I disappeared and you're mad. And I owe you an explanation. Let's get out of here and I'll tell you all about it. It's 2 a.m. and in a few hours I have drills. Well, it's almost morning. And I have military drills. You know, where we learn how to kill fireflies? Get dressed. Turn around. You're so weird about that. Put some pants on and let's go. You're thinking about hanging in the park. We can't go there anymore. So you patrol what they just put in. Well, we're not going to the park. I'm so dumb. Come on. Then have we ever gotten into trouble? Guards? No. Because Fegger's fucking stupid. Ready? This better be good. Probably not the best joke, but hey. Yeah, this is why you spend your QWANG points frivolously. Save them. You don't save or invest your QWANG points. Yeah. You can get therapy for a thousand QWANG points. Man, you are not letting that QWANG like one go, are you? Fuck him up. It was Bethany and I already fucked her up. Yeah. Are you? Stole her lunch money. Her QWANG points. You're a firefighter. Jesus. Does the gun prove it? I guess so. Do you guys remember she's from Wrinkle in Time? Yeah, that's where I know that. Oh, okay. That film's really good. It's an excellent film. She's really, it's really great. Definitely not a one out of ten. I can't tell if you guys are being serious. Is that a good, is it a good film? We have an EFAP movies on it. You can go check it out if you want. Yeah, it's, it's great. Oh, she's getting a new dress. I don't like this dress. I'm gonna get a new one. Oh, she's turned herself to ribbons. This is what it's like to chew five gum. The movie. Oh my God. Look at this dude. Wait till you see the... No, no, no, no. Oh, top of his head. Of course you should with your life. Dweeb. You're a firefly. Which means I cannot trust you. Your trust has been reversed. Because Fedra's fucking stupid. Be nice to Fedra. They make the trains run on time. It's true. Man, that was real close. Okay. Rocky start. That was very close. I guess that's just how it would go, right? You'd hear it before you see it, so... Yeah, maybe we're awkward with the car just like reversed back. Yeah, or it stops. I thought I saw something. Stopped at the alleyway just went, We can see you. What are you doing? Not with that attitude. Fight everything everywhere, everyone, everything at once. I know that movie. Yeah, I hate Carol. Carol should've used her quang points to get a fucking clue. Wow. Like two? So two. Well, three's like two. Similar to two. Could be one. Like a one floor building. You'd be like, it's like two. And that would be accurate. Oh, this is seven? Seven's like a two. Oh, doesn't look alive. No, this guy wasn't here yesterday. Oh, so we should leave. Well, I mean, there's no reason to assume he's infected. Well, even then, like if people have been through here, or if the cover's blown or the place has been found. Well, she's a dead guy. You think this is going to be like how she got bit or something? Oh, no, we don't have to be doing that until the end of the episode probably. I mean, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Like this is the, I don't mean this guy specifically. All right, because the answer is yes, yes, yes. I don't fucking know how she got bit. You're gonna find out. Take those pills. Oh, no. What boy? Bye. He's a chunky boy. I guess because of the water leakage, I guess you could probably argue that just seems funny to me. I don't know. It does, especially when they took the bottle away. It's like his spirit from the other way is like, fuck you. He didn't do that company. He had to go. He only paid me for three minutes. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Remember drinking when your underage is bad. That's right. We do not condone this kind of reckless behavior from the youth of tomorrow. We, unlike Naughty Dog, do not intend to encourage underage children to drink. That's right. Something should only be reserved for the sanctity of adulthood, like drinking, pill-popping. Or monopoly. Prostitution and monopoly. They kind of made me swear not to let the people hang on my sidearm. I'm such a fucking firefly. Hey, this is what we call peer pressure. Here, you take the booze. I'll take the gun. It's very irresponsible of you both. It was like, ah, it's cool. I think I'll be a terrorist. Yeah, that's it. We're getting married. Would you kiss me under the Rusty 711 sign? At least you gave up on making the Kuang points joke. What? Why? How would that? Would you kiss? Well, you think you could trade Kuang points for kisses? The Kuang don't roll that way. Why did you even bring up the points again, Mola? You knew what was going to happen. I did. That's why I did it. I defended the Kuang points. Kuang points are no joke. That seems very insecure. Not like they, not like insecure, like people are insecure, but as in like not secure. I know what you mean. Like it's very quick. I assume the implication of his story there was that they've known about it for a while. Right. Presumably they've done checks on it. Well, yeah, you'd figure that if they've lasted this long that they would have a pretty thorough system. Oh boy, it's like Uncharted doing some jumping across rooftops. I'm gonna say it's like Kenobi. Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. No, it's Uncharted. Platforming elements in the same way that these games often have stealth elements. Oh boy, the atomic heart platform is great. Oh, actually, maybe it's more like Assassin's Creed 2. It's like Venice rooftops, but it's Boston. Or like any game where you walk across buildings. That's right. Yeah. Propaganda, huh? Aha. I agree to disagree. I feel like it'd be easy to see up there. The mall? Yeah, pretty much. You out of your fucking mind, they sealed that place off for a reason. It's full of infected. It's sealed off, then why isn't it sealed off? Good question. So it's not sealed off? And so the conclusion is, Bedra lads be using it for fun? Or they don't want people to know? Is that the idea? I guess there's a lot of things that you could infer from that. Well, they should still be pretty fucking careful, I guess. Hopefully that will be. Climb, yay. Oh, why wouldn't they know that? Especially since you can find out just by taking a casual glance. And why wouldn't they have searched this place if it's literally in their own city? Yeah, and also if it's full of infected and not sealed off. I'm getting a lot of information here that's not seeming quite right. So it's full of infected and sealed off, but the Bedra people have never been down here and they also don't know there's electricity feeding into here. Because it seems like it could be a massive problem if it does have infected and it's in the QZ and they're not keeping an eye on it actively. And it's a mall down here, right? Yeah. Resources? Yeah. Plus the Bedra and Kansas City kept the infected from coming out. Assuming that would just be anything that you do. The only argument I could buy as to why Fedra aren't here is because it's filled with infected, but clearly it isn't. Yeah, because otherwise there would surely be a lot of utility in a place like this. And especially now that all the lights are on, surely this might attract the attention of Fedra. Delights. We're fine. You saw outside. It's like a big bunker. No one can see shit but us. I just don't understand how they could conclude Fedra don't know that electricity fed into here. That's just weird. Well, I mean, of course they would, right? They just understand how the grid works. But most people would understand how the grid would work, I guess. I would have thought. Was there, in the game, where was the shops? Was that in the QZ as well? I think so. I don't see why it wouldn't be. Okay. I mean, it's funny because all they needed to do was say, yeah, it's sealed off and it's, I don't know, gonna be checked out eventually by Fedra more than likely so we can have our fun with it before they do that or something. Yeah. Electric stairs. Stairs that move. Can you believe it? They're playing the song. I like that she thinks that escalators are cool. They're kind of cool anyway. They are, but especially if you haven't really seen them before. You've never automated travel. I wonder if they work after 20 years of being not hooked up or something. Well, it's the thing, right? Has this place been untouched for 20 years? No, no, no. It's around. Well, it probably was. It probably hasn't been for 20 years, right, if it's in the QZ. That's kind of what I'm getting at this. My understanding of this place and how it relates to Fedra is very strange. Yeah, right now, I'm just, yeah. Cause like if it has been cleared out, then why would they telling people it's infected here to scare them off? But then that doesn't match the whole, they don't know that electricity is coming in. But also to what end? Why would you scare them off? Like, what does it matter? I don't know, yeah. Is it because it's like a big area that would be difficult to patrol and maintain because of all the... Is it because they're super fascist and they don't want people having fun? I guess the best argument I could make is that I imagine that overseeing a shopping center would be tough because of all of the hallways and all of the individual shops and then all of the rooms within those shops. Like it'd be hard to keep track of. As much as I guess I'd agree, it's still more space. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I feel like that's kind of a still man. I'm not sure that I'm satisfied with that. Looks like comfortable. Yep. Well, it's not comfortable at all. Sometimes they all kind of comfy. It is very comfy, I have to say. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-boop-boop-boop-ba-da-da-da. Things remembered. Gap. Oh, that could fit through that gap. Give me your hand. Might be carousel time. Come on. Blood brothers. We have blood brothers. She just dunks, hits something. She's not actually really like guiding her well. She just hits a pole. Just one of them 300 pits here and she just walks her into it. Oh, no. Bye-bye. She said almost. There she is. Oh my goodness. A carousel. It's a carousel. Doo-dee-dee-dee-dee-dee-dee-dee. Now I'm almost curious as to why they wouldn't want to make sure this place isn't sucking up energy, like they'd want to close it down. Especially in a place that is, yeah, resource-less. Yes. All of a sudden an entire mall getting electricity sucking up from the grid. And they'd have to know about it. I want to ride the horses. Can't believe that they used to drive spikes through the middle of horses and coat them. Yeah, that was We've moved on since then. Okay. That was past mistakes. They're different Progressive people now. Yeah, this is before the horse uprising of 92 No, we should we should stay sober shouldn't drink and drive you shouldn't drink and ride that guy died from drinking that you know Oh my god I want to ride the pony This is cute and all I hope something happens soon though. It's a little where's the zombies a little slow on events Yeah, I would even say a little bit slow on conversations too. It's mostly just them having fun Yeah, just hanging out. There should be a bloater on one of the horses right behind them. He's a rawr. He's riding it like Yeah Did you really think you could liberate this place? Don't say it like it's a type of fantasy Ellie They've done it in the other QZ's. Yeah, we could do that too. We're like the future She's saying do it from the inside. It could be running things You Could be running things. You know what Kwan gave me points sewage detail no sewage detail Standing guard while people shovel shit That's what they think of me. Why someone's got to do it. Yeah, someone's got to do it first Ending around all day holding a gun is probably she doesn't want to do it Hey, man, we've all got a pitch in okay, you don't even have to do I just want to hear more of a reasoning I guess I would have gotten it back then too, you know You know, you're the one thing I miss from that fucking place Cuz I would I would just assume that in terms of my motivation that might have just been the thing that made her go like Ah, you know what actually I believe enough in the fireflies. I'll do that Also, you know what I guess the weird part to be like that's what they think of me And it's like, I mean Scoring low on your like raids and that they need it's not like they hate you I assume Well, I mean, maybe it's they don't want it to be like an officer, right? Then I'm because maybe they don't believe that she is I guess as in lockstep. I think that would be a better reason I just didn't I wasn't sure if that's what she was going for as opposed to I just don't like that job Yeah, I get you like if they put on sewage detail because she's clearly a bit of a wild card You're like, oh, okay. Yeah, I could see what I would annoy you On yourself, that's not how you don't you're what's your left hand doing? I think she's trying to put both on it Who messes that up? That's a pretty cool that's a pretty cool Rabbit here's a very look at him. He's wearing Sunnys as well. He's a very cool rabbit. He's affirming people's confidence Didn't they not print in the game? Oh My god, I can't believe it's actually gonna work. I know Here we try. Okay. Oh Come on. Fuck you Oh What just happened? I Think we broke it. I think we did do they gave it to him in the show, huh? I think they break the machine in the game. Oh, it's just taking time before it fades in, right? Where's it not? They really should replace the ink in that machine Fuck this place really is a huge drain Whoa an entire Working arcade. Oh, yeah, cuz remember she saw the arcade and um in the in the place that they stopped over at She saw outside of boss Yeah, which I think she had a poster for in a room as well in the game Yeah I think they had a fictional game in In the game, they had like the wish he plays of something Yeah, and the license thing. Yeah, the interesting about that is like it's clearly mortal combat, but like not little combat Yeah, yeah, I guess they got more combat for this though. Oh day toner. Do you guys remember day time? Oh, yeah Yeah, go to insert coins. I'll just cheat your way to this stuff. Got any quang points. Wow now. He's doing it It's making a comeback I'm taking it back. I'm bringing back quang points that lucky that that's the way that it is to someone already break it Oh, apparently she spent an hour breaking it open the door. Okay. That's a lot. She planned this. She planned this whole This whole day out Rahas. Oh, they're gonna play mortal combat. That's yeah This is 2023 like an hour world so they could have just found an old abandoned arcade and just like fix the Quasi fixed it up. Well, there's a couple of changes. I would have made I can't buy that This place is drawing that much energy in the Fed or don't give a shit I'm nobody. Yeah, this is like a bunch of working arcade machines and all that sort of stuff. I Now, you know what? I I don't know that that is how you play Mortal Kombat smash the buttons Yeah, button masher's always wins. I was gonna say but measures are no skill whatsoever. Wow You got fucking wrecked loser. Yeah, she got yeah Like flawless Wow, you didn't hit her. I think you can get by mashing buttons. I had this exact game for Sega CD Definitely get by but you can get by it's just, you know that high-level play. Yeah, you a fatality do it. She knows it Bones in well turn to all of him and suck the bones out. Oh, yeah, she freed his skeleton Yeah, he can be free to no longer in the world flashback. I'm free So she's been there a few times which means that it's I guess it's been Like this for long enough that it wasn't like just a couple of days There's another part of it that could help believe it very haven't it be active Whose POV is this someone noticing the bright-ass lights Spooky music and spooky lighting every story has an s. It's funny for a movie like what's wrong with Rebecca Why is Rebecca the doll of that thing? Is that are we doing the three good? That's a Zambie I live Looks pretty good though money's worth. She has a gun though I feel like you're gonna need more than one clicker, but I'm not sure because the game has a lot of What's up on them? Maybe maybe they're so yeah, that could work. Oh, no, I got stabbed What what could it be doesn't like yeah, I don't need them anymore. I'm just gonna give you all my quang points Oh zombie in the games. It is water pistols or water guns. Yes nacho macho nacho So she's actually like this is her like place Oh, that would be the jerk book that she uh, but she had Yes, she had part one and now this is part two More now, but when she was with Joel right that would have been part two is what I'm saying Yeah, what I'm saying is she had part one in this episode on it That's why this is like a meaningful gift. I guess how does a computer get drunk? It takes screenshots That's not bad I don't actually know okay Oh, they don't know what screenshots are Oh These are pipe bombs. These are not good. You shouldn't have these. No, they're not mine I swear it belonged to the chef who used to kill people It's to kill buildings the evil buildings They posted you here Well, that still doesn't account for fedra. Yeah, I guess I'm just like that's that's something like They were putting pipe bombs in the tacos. You're just some new scrub girl No, no, no, you're gonna blow me up with your little pipe bombs None of this shit was even about me. Would you stop? Fuck you, Ellie You made bombs, but I already said like you sort of did that before but now it's confirmed They're sending me to a post in the atlantic, cutesy Tonight's my last night in Boston Subway Eat fresh Which is not going to happen. It's very unlikely that you will be Eating fresh at the local subways at the mall, but it says eat fresh. That's true. They have become liars The sandwich sellers and liars they go together like between those two buns is nothing but broken promises Low calorie lies This is the music that plays in the confrontation between Joel and Ellie, but they didn't play this song in that same So I do really like crack I do really like this track Hope nothing bad happens in here this creepy ass hallway. No, this is the nice hallway I think all that's happening is she's making yeah that she's making a choice to go back Or loser didn't even commit no spine. It said ominous music is playing That's kind of messed up Surprise That's the second ill advised joke you've done the fifth wonder Give me the book. Give me the book. I came back for you. You said it was my gift. I'm not leaving without it You didn't say it was yeah And traded in for maybe some Some long points You don't know everything you don't know what it was like to have a family to belong And I want that again Yeah, but they're kind of a crazy family who blow things up. I think they are but they chose me I mattered to them You're my best friend You're my best friend and I'll miss you. Where's that zombie? If I remember correctly in the game, she says she's gonna be leaving and then ellie convinces her not to right? I remember someone's convinced We're wolf. I just I can't remember who like whether it's ellie to go to the fireflies or with riley To stay with fedra. I think riley says she's coming in to go and then ellie's like He just says don't and then she's like, okay, and she yeah, she takes off her um The tag who like firefly dog tag. Oh, right. Okay But on your furry costume and dance I'm guessing I'm not trying to have this be different to further reinforce Maybe ellie's desire to you know help the fireflies and follow through Well, yeah, they seem to be presenting the struggle between fedra and fireflies to be very balanced in this show world Or at least more balanced it feels and that it shouldn't be outright agreed on one side or the other Why'd they put masks on I can't see the emotions I feel like they go through those. I don't know. I don't know what the tops are made out of well They what are in those if it's like um valuables I can imagine that glass is strong as fuck. It looks like they're just like masks and stuff It's a halloween store. It is a halloween store. So I can't imagine they have something in there That's that valuable. Maybe have they have like relics, you know like mummy toes and things Like werewolf teeth like the real things I'm sorry No dog tag rip off in this one though. Damn ruined it Get ready to run She's probably It's gonna take like a couple more bullets and that should be it. Oh She's knocked out Oh, that's not good He was not good. She was not affected with that firearm. She's gonna he's a very bad fire Well, it annoys me a little bit. I think he she should have easily killed it. Yeah I think oh, you should have used the gun It's sneaking up on them when they were playing music lab would have been perfect But they didn't do that. Yep. Hey, no reason someone else can't enjoy that. I guess they went that strong I like the contrast in their reactions to it Yeah There's some more stuff over there you can break There's more stuff over there you can break What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? Wait, I see it. We've got two options. Wait, I see it. We've got two options We take the easy way out It's quick, painless Option one you take the easy way out It's quick and painless like option one I'm not a fan of option one option two two We fight what are you talking about? It's over It will be But not yet We're gonna turn into one of those things There are a million ways we should have died before today It ends this way for everyone sooner or later, right? Some of us just Get there faster than others and a million ways we can die before tomorrow But we fight For every second we get to spend with each other But we don't quit Whether or two days whether it's two minutes Or two days We don't give that up. We don't give that up. I don't want to give that up I don't want to give that up my phone. Let's just wait it out Just be a poetic and shit You know we can Be all poetic and just lose our minds together What's option three? What's option three? Sorry They're both pretty great actresses. Yeah, yeah, the most of the strongest episode that'll do. There you have it All right, that was uh, that was an episode a whole episode I mean, um, you're gonna be more probably my least favorite, but you know I'm leaning towards it being one of the weaker episodes of the season even though I think that there's some pretty great elements in there. Um, yeah, yeah Just uh, I really just didn't like there was a couple times where I'm like, all right Something needs to happen now. Like I get it. They like Mortal Kombat. Let's go. I don't think that was my problem I think they could have actually reinforced their relationship a little bit better in that episode I feel like they could have done a bit more. I think the uh, the time we had with them I would have expected them to do a lot more in terms of binding. Yeah Yeah, because I mean you basically got a whole episode dedicated to them And I don't feel like we got as much as our corresponds with the amount of time that we spent on it Yeah, I but I still probably would actually kind of call that call it a pacing issue I'm assuming rags. You're not just talking about having action scenes, but development Yeah, just sort of things some some more maybe some more back and forth on the the firefly stuff or the Maybe more time with the the fedra people. I don't know. Yeah I think we could have stood to get more time with the fedra stuff I think we could have the impression I get in terms of their back and forth is that as it's It's like the conversation is getting more and more real right as time goes on at the beginning It's just like fun banter but then as the night is sort of progressing and time is running out It's like it becomes more and more of like a real conversation about the differences between them And you know that there is like this problem here that they need to sort of work through There's like a mini firefly and a mini fedra agent here Yeah, pretty much and the longer it goes on the more that they're going to start to I guess be more firm And there are perspectives one way or the other. I guess what I think what I want is Not more conversation on that but maybe more conversation about other things than that that could have also been thrown into the mix Yeah, like what they like prefer is people or maybe like they're they're sort of modus operandi as individuals, right? Like what is it that they aside from how they fit into fedra or the fireflies? Like what do they kind of want from life? I guess we kind of got a little bit of that Yeah, I think that's all I want is I just want a little bit more more material for both of them in this episode Which is funny to say when it was so focused on them It just seems like in terms of the density of the character that we got that it was a little bit thinner here than Then has been the case in other episodes Yeah, and uh, it comes at a time that's very I was curious how I feel about this But like, you know peak investment Joel's nearly dead now an hour with these two and it's like, okay Well, I guess the the the argument in favor of it is meant to be all feeding into ellie's motivations The desire to like not give up because yeah, she'll fight for every last second she can get with Yeah, because what happened with riley. I mean obviously it didn't work out for her But you know ellie is alive and maybe in a position to do some real good in the world Because she decided to fight through really difficult circumstance. So if she's going to do it again So like thematically it's it's cool. I just feel like we could have done more. Yeah, I think I'm also Hitting on a preference that I think would be shared by many in the audience it's like which is to focus more on the Like the current situation that that they're in part of it Like what's funny to compare the game is the fact that it's dlc means that it just it can't really get in the way It's something you play at your own leisure. Yeah, well I guess it's interesting because we more or less sort of came to the conclusion last week that this would be the time for this episode Yeah I think the I think the problem is I still I feel like this episode can't come after The the what we're going to be getting an episode. I like I feel like it's probably the best place for it It's just that it's always going to be a difficulty of in the game It is off on as like kind of an epilogue prologue, right To to the main story. I mean not only is it chronological, but like it it's a great buffer between Joel Sort of falling and then Ellie being in this state of like, oh, fuck. What do I do now? And her becoming a little bit more independent, you know Well, it sounds like you disagree then that you feel like this was that this that this slots in super well Um, I think this could have been condensed Okay, like the Riley and Ellie stuff and then I would have liked the third act of this episode to Introduce like the David stuff right maybe lead. I think uh, I think that that could work as well I imagine that that was probably not entertained though My guess would be that they always thought that this would be a whole episode Yeah, and it's like how can we tweak it to make it more fruitful than I guess? It's like probably what we've all said about the rooftop jumping Relationships stuff But to be honest, I wouldn't have been against involving more Scenes in the present instead of just the two main ones Now I'm not going to say in the game Ellie drags Joel to like a more tight place and she searches through it for Medical supplies. She goes to a pharmacy at first which is perfectly reasonable But I think everything's empty in there and then she notes that there is a crashed Military helicopter at the ceiling and she finds every material she needs in there. I've always found that to be lame as fuck Which is funny, right? Because if she had found it in the pharmacy, I probably would have been like Well, I guess it's lucky it hasn't been ransacked, but that makes a lot more sense Like a kind of convenient helicopter Yeah, and then there's also the angle that she kills like I want to say 30 bandits or raiders and like 30 infected or something Yeah, you're doing the video game stuff Meanwhile here there is literally one person that she kills with And so maybe you could have another two scenes and she has to Work a little bit harder to get the material she needs to save Joel in some way we can try to try something So maybe more so integrate the other component of the left behind DLC, which was maybe yeah Yeah with some tweaks because uh, that's a big blast of these two and you're going to need the conversations They have to be very interesting to keep everybody invested because the reality is that as an audience Regardless of whether you know about the games or not, you are going to be pretty hyper invested in your protagonist being on death's door Yeah, no, I think a lot of people who haven't even played the game if they're watching the show one by one I think this episode comes a little bit of a disappointment But I'm hoping that episode eight will be everything it needs to be we're sorry out of curiosity What would you put forth is the main difference between this and episode three in terms of what might be the observation of You have this whole story that's running that doesn't seemingly apparently feed directly into the main plot I think that it's very apparent the episode three caps an entire lifetime of a relationship while this Tried to capture a limited portion of time. I don't even know that they've spent the time that well Well, that would be I think that I think that they were pretty Effective with the time that they used in episode three to tell the story between bill and frank Yeah, like I feel like we got a lot of dimensions to that relationship Where it feels like we've we explored one very specific dimension of this relationship when I feel like we could have gotten I think I just want a better understanding of who Riley is because I feel like after that episode It's like I've got a decent understanding of who she is Um, but I don't feel like I've got a very great picture of like her overall Mostly in relation to ellie and the firefly stuff, but not really much else setting justification wasn't very good No, that was probably the weakest part of the episode It's just this constant thought in the back of your mind of like why is this so they're in the shopping center It's got power There's no infected. Maybe fedra doesn't care about it maybe but also you've been here for a while Like just as a posting It's just kind of world building and plot questions Which um, haven't typically been as much of a problem in this this show so far I did kind of like having uh, jola wake enough to know that she had the chance To leave and she chose to stay and save him sort of thing That'll be super meaningful to him. I quite like the shot with it holding each other's hand. That's that was uh Oh, dude imagine in the finale if he's recalling that as well as like feeding in You know because of course that would have fed into it in the game as well But maybe more of that conscious awareness. Yeah Yeah Not to say that he wouldn't be aware that she saved him No matter whether he's awake or not, but being awake to see that happen is uh Well, because it seems like there's much more of the at least from my understanding of the game My read on it was that he was like out for the whole time that he was just constantly sleeping exhausted Totally unaware of what was going on and ellie was taking care of everything I agreed that I wanted a bit more like to understand Riley's perspective a bit more I think it could have done with a scene at the beginning where she's like with the fireflies sort of feigning compliance And then maybe and then she escapes At the very beginning where she's like yes, I'll I'll sit in my room Everything's fine And then she has an opportunity to leave and she escapes out a window or something But before that you see her engaging with her like firefly superiors or whatever giving her giving you a sense of like Where she's at what she has to deal with I think what I might want is the fedra her with fedra See what she was like, uh there So maybe maybe it does mean a bit of a time jump because of course there need to be some passage of time But maybe that would be worthwhile. I don't know. I feel like there was something to be tweaked It's kind of what you're honing in on I think I would like to fight too about like fedra weed out anybody Who's going to be changing in any significant way the status quo and then ellie could be like they haven't weeded me out And they should be like yeah, because you're you're careful with how you say like this that and then she's like Oh, am I it's like you think fedra is so much worse than they actually are then she could be like fedra Do this that the other and she's like you fuck is do more damage than fedra ever does You know they kind of play at this sort of thing But it would have been nice to maybe have three main conversations that run throughout and then At the end they realize like fireflies, fedrits all the fucking same Like it's it's just a mess. We're all fighting and that we need to you know, something maybe a little bit sappy But yeah, because I think the closest we got was the fight with the the pipe bombs That was like the most we got and I feel like we could have gotten one or two more heated arguments about it We just need a little bit more because they like I think they did a lot of scenes of them Happily enjoying their time together with each other, which is totally good and fine I just think because you think about it It's like playing with the masks the dancing with the mask playing mortal combat together doing the carousel These all show up by the way in the in the game too, but I don't know it feels like they knew in the game They had to pace it so that players wouldn't want to like You know leave or pause and because the way they do is the intercut back and forth between present and past and yeah the present the present day is like the combat focused stuff whereas the uh the shopping center was much more Story heavy. Yeah, but there's a running sequence in there, which is another change. By the way, it's kind of funny I on one hand I prefer that they don't suddenly have to deal with a horde Even though it is more justified in this because they have the hive my network thing going on However, they went with one it's like, okay, I can deal with one that it's like Oh, but the the only reason that he got you to because you didn't handle it very well at all I guess the thing is though is riley missing. It's like, yeah, maybe she doesn't train very well It's not quite that it's that she sees him. She goes to aim. I think she tags him three times Like two in the torso one in the leg And then stops firing and runs away. It's like, no, no, no, no finish him finish him now These are why you have those bullets. Are you saving them for later? Yeah, like it makes no sense at all You keep shooting execute him at that point You've got the best shot you'll ever get when he's on the floor You got the head right there and that's what you got to do And so she stops tries to run and block like her direction and then he pushes there I like it tackles or something and then she just gets knocked out and it's like, ah, this is lame action scene Yeah, it's just more logistic acting saying logistics kind of not being great Could she maybe have only had that many bullets left in the gun? I don't know if that was established maybe like I imagine that it's fully loaded. That'd be my guess. Okay. It's weird that we only have three in it. Yeah Yeah, we're we're gonna give you a gun In a magazine, but we're only going to give you three bullets for it. It seems weird And you know what there should have been a scene where she takes a clip out and it's like Oh, I only got three bullets left. Well, I don't think that's what happened I don't think she ran out of ammo. I think she just stopped well, especially because they have a shot They do the yeah, they do getting knocked out with the gun They have a shot of the gun. Yeah, which is very much a show thing They're planning on using to our potential That's true. Yeah, so there's got to be more bullets in there. Yeah, they she just I was thinking if they were gonna show that then like so Are we gonna have like that scene in the shame because the timecode shows on vlc and everything But I was like are they gonna show the scene where riley starts to turn but ellie doesn't interesting you say it I feel like that's something that was missing in both the game and the show. I don't know that seems like a really good scene Well, because what does that look like exactly of ellie actually being okay? But then riley gets more and more deteriorated until she starts turning and they both realize like why aren't you And then it's too late and riley starts going And she's like, you know, that would be fucking traumatic as hell Well, that's I guess I guess the thing is is that you would imagine that that's the point where malin links up right that that Yeah, maybe maybe that's what the scene looks like that that malin shows up and ellie seems to be totally fine While riley is deteriorating even though they have bites in pretty much the same way Yeah, like if ellie had to kill her in some horrible moment and then the Fireflies turn up because this is apparently a firefly area And then they just as you said they just find her and then like, you know They pull a gun on it when were you bitten and she's like at this point It's been like, you know, however long and they realize nothing is spreading nothing And so they capture immediately and they figure out what they're gonna do and they realize you just don't get infected Which links right up with episode one then yeah I wonder if that is like because it's almost like well, it is more poetic if you don't see it deteriorate It's like but it does though and that's kind of what makes it really tragic, isn't it? Yeah, I mean more than how tragic it is that they both got infected The fact that one of them dies and the other one survives and has to sort of deal with that I wouldn't want to take it away from an artist to be like I don't want to show that scene. You know how it goes and it's like I guess it's up to you, but I feel like it's I don't really know how it goes actually Well, I think I something that I because remember at the end of the end of the loss of us how like Ellie gives a speech of You know, like Riley was the first to die and then it was Tess and then it was Sam Like that she's the one who keeps surviving. Yeah Like sort of having to deal with that almost survivor like guilt Um that she might have if it was like that'd be a really good way to reinforce it Like it's sad. It would be really sad. It would be a really sad scene on top of the sad scene that was already there Well, and you can definitely through careful dialogue just have her Express dramatically like why me and why can't I help you? Yeah, because that'll set a foundation then It seems like it's a potential opportunity. It would be tough I think from like from a writing standpoint It's you got to be I think pretty considered in terms of like how you want it to play out And how it would fit into a character going forward. But yeah, I guess I'm kind of surprised I I was almost thinking that that's what we would get in this episode Is how it leads directly into her linking up with the fireflies But maybe that's just going to be vague like maybe we'll never know I think that could be a good scene, but to be honest, I'm personally kind of glad that doesn't go there I don't think we need to see that scene. It would be so bleak if they did that Like to show Ellie just like killing off Riley Like I don't know. I don't know. I like where this story ends. They had a whole episode to be happy now. It's time to pay the piper Oh, we got some drama coveted episode eight. I'm sure I was I was really impressed with their performances are both of them I at this point I feel like anybody sang bella ramsey con act is like I'm sorry. You're wrong. No, she's good Yeah, no, I'm happy. I said she's I said she's pretty good at this point like she uh If it was like she's had several scenes at this point that have really uh I guess pushed out to the extremes of like human emotions um I was the same with uh The actress for riley as well. Oh, yeah, she was really crying there in the end She was she was like Like bowling and what I liked about their little story in this episode is that there is an Identifiable zigzag with like their attraction to one another Like the first point is in the photo booth Where riley leans in a little too close and ellie is a bit Uncomfortable. I mean she likes her but he she's just like, okay. This is a little bit more than I was Expecting in this moment in time. Like can you just back off a bit please and riley reads this? She's like, okay. Okay. Sorry. And then like the next point is in the arcade machine where Um ellie is like waiting for her to for riley to kiss her and she doesn't probably because riley is thinking about How ellie reacted in the photo booth and is going well, I don't want to weird her out So I just won't and then ellie's kind of disappointed But the problem with that Is that in the game that beat was better because with the arcade machine in the Game it's not working and it's like an angel knives game And like riley is like saying just grab the controls. Just trust me close her eyes And then riley has this whole bit where she like Narrates the game as if it was powered up and working and then you kind of go into ellie's head And it's like she's you can see her sort of envisioning the game in her mind And then like ellie seeing that work that riley is putting in to make her happy That's kind of what prompts her to like wait for the kiss that then doesn't happen And this I feel like it doesn't work as well just with the functioning mortal combat too machine It's interesting as a Comparison I guess yeah, you can see that because it is a lot for friends to try and generate an experience That you're not even having this is the place just being on and active Yeah, and then it all culminates obviously with the kiss on the glass cabinet Yeah, I think there's a lot of tweaks that could be made to improve this one And I think I agree. I think this is the weakest of the season. Yep. Yeah, I agree with that I think I'm there. I think I'm there at this point. I thought this was fine, but I have to agree Yeah, this was probably the weakest. Well, it's a good. It's a good skill floor. I'd say to have I just I'm hoping they can Well, because the floor. Yeah, the floor here still isn't bad. Uh, and there's still some there's still some worthwhile stuff in this episode I've just I want to see the next episode. Give me. I want to see I need to see how it all plays out. Well, that was the last of us episode seven efap tv closing out saying goodbye Toodle pip giri osa. Yeah, bye Hello everybody. Bye. Bye What'd you bring me? Oh my god, it's episode seven Oh, we're here. Oh my goodness. Oh my god. You made it. It's episode eight. I can just do it again All right. Well, okay. Everyone let's do it again. This won't be in this won't be a new cut out. Okay Should I just say eight and then cut it into the seven that I said so that now that You should do that so that it will be as seamless as possible more. So I'll make it so I'll record it now. So eight Oh my god, it's episodes eight No one will know no one will know what Yeah, what are you talking to everybody? It's the episode With the thing is gonna happen the the I've been wanting to see for so long. How exciting I guess you know, it wouldn't wouldn't be right to go into the episode without first Doing a little bit of a check-in with the audience a comment showcase if you will Oh a bit of freestyle there you got we got our first one here All right, even when the game came out I thought it was hilariously unfortunate that the only person known to be immune to the fungus is gay and won't have Immune children if people can still have children You're gonna have to harvest elements and and potentially people do that You don't need the old science team to sort that out. But um, I guess I mean, no Theoretically, yeah, unless you go in surrogacy, I guess just standard I'm talking way more than just one or two, you know Go labs get get petri dishes get that thing sorted fully get loads of horde of children that are all immune Then again, you don't even know if it necessarily passes They have all the humans hooked up in the like the blood banks and it's just taking blood from them Yeah, why not does it necessarily pass to her children? We don't even know that's true, right? You don't know. Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't but it's a fair it's a fair thing to ask You know, it's not a none. Yeah, it's a reasonable thing to ask I'm trying to remember they keep it a secret even to all the people in uh Jackson right fringy. I don't recall any Conversation that happens in that game that wasn't because he tells because she reveals it to dina Which means that nobody knew right that that was a surprise Yeah, um, well, and maybe maybe maria knows as well Me Um, yeah, in fact, it's probably likely that she knows but that's it one thing To add about the dog They established in the first episode that dogs are aware of the infection with the old lady So it makes sense the posse would use one and that's true dogs can sense evil We've got to mention there is that's been an episode one Um, but I don't even know why people are high up on this one I can just believe that the dog can smell these things I completely agree. I didn't realize Conversation But like it's just funny that the show even has more setup for the weave and needed to defend that that aspect for a lot of people That's true. But now you have an in-text Reference the dog looks sus destroyed about the granny and then later the dog is like don't go in there human Don't and then she's like i'm gonna go in there and the dog's like, yeah, it's your funeral Interesting how so many electronic devices work so well after 20 years of inactivity and without maintenance Reminding me of army of the dead where they got a whole Forsaken casino building running fine with a few gallons of gas I don't know enough about it to know just how much of it would have degraded and fall apart versus stuff Like an arcane machine is well, especially if things end up getting rusty, you know Yeah, because well, i'm familiar as i'm assuming you guys are like leave batteries into it in a thing They like bleed and rust like uh Well, it's something that a lot of people don't really think about is it the or maybe maybe i'm just protecting But like the electronic like that's that's a physical thing that exists And the way that it works is in the physical world Like that these things don't just automatically work like perfectly all the time And in the case of this right like 20 years of not being used not being maintained Who knows about like condensation or just like water that leaks through Like how much damage it could cause as well as like the broad building itself, you know, like having a functional Electricity, you know system and maybe it could have been made more impactful that the arcade is all down except for that one cabinet And it's like I've been working on it like I managed to get a yeah, that could be yeah And hey, maybe that's why she's in the firefly. She's got some uh skills Yeah, boy that zombie sure was stealthy until seconds before he loudly revealed himself I'm just not a fan of the whole sequence How much like could you imagine how much cooler and creeper could have been this reminds me of it follows They're like dancing and singing and whatever just looking away and the camera's facing so that we can just see the zombie getting closer And closer and closer and they just don't realize until it gets the easy freebie bite Which frees up, you know get maybe hit riley and then ali's efforts to get it off He gets bitten too simple, but instead we got what we got and it's like What you'd say is probably the hardest variable to have controlled for in that episode was that sequence They didn't do it very well. Yeah, it was and I didn't do yeah Not showing what happens after they get bitten is a huge mistake for me The scene would be too interesting to leave to the imagination with too many variables Does ellie kill riley just before she turns does she kill her after does riley kill herself? So ellie doesn't have to does ellie keep her locked up and hopes for a cure Do the fireflies find them before they turn Does ellie lock riley in a shed to play video games like shawna the dead good reference? I think what happened that is a that's a good reference I think what happened is they look at like the ending for the episode of almost Presenting it as in a sense kind of poetic like they said it would be by cutting it off of just them sitting there And then ellie making the choice to stay and help joll I get that as like a thing that they would want to do but I agree with this comment There's like there's a lot that you could pull from like well what actually happens though What what choices did ellie make when she realized that she was okay and riley was deteriorating and uh to know which one of these things happened Does kind of change what we know she's been through. Yeah, exactly because yeah, I think they're different enough Super consequential like what choices she could have made and how they inform who she is and to not provide an answer Is like it's not really that you're preserving a mystery You've kind of just foregone like a really good opportunity To build character Especially yeah with how that episode was paced and I feel like we could have skipped over or sped up a whole lot of it And we missed uh, yeah, what could have been a really super awesome thing to see how they deal with it You could have expanded on what was in the game, you know Yeah, exactly because the game doesn't provide like an answery though As to like what actually happened. I feel like they've pretty heavily implied what happened with riley after this This episode establishes that she has never seen a dead body before then later in the timeline She tells joel that she has already had to hurt people after shooting that guy She could be talking about the infected she killed under the gas station But that particular kill didn't appear to be emotionally devastating to the point where she wouldn't talk about it later She has also asked joel if he ever feels bad killing an infected when he knew it was a person before Seems pretty clear to me that riley turned and ellie shot or stabbed her Well while the show hasn't been the strongest in every situation It has had a pretty constant peppering of significant character motivations in world building through questions actions or details in prior episodes Refreshing to have at least some level of detail in the writing compared to a lot of other garbage lately That is fair that um, it's more than likely she would have killed riley But I still would say that that's well worth seeing um, but I don't know I think it'd be really interesting That just adds to yeah, it adds to that line that she tells to joel later, you know Yeah, like I don't I don't disagree with the comment So that that's like more than likely what happened and that you could infer that from references before I just think it's worthwhile to see that it's a really potent character moment Seeing that one zombie in this episode really reminded me how they are barely a factor in this world We've had so few uh extended encounters with them overall off the top of my head It's one the two in the museum two the kiss of death three the bloater and its horde and four this episode Then there are smaller encounters like one bills trap killing that one and two le killing the trap one in the game The zombies are a constant threat in almost every section and there are always large groups of them Even in some supposedly safe sections like uh quarantine zones There are always a few in some unprotected place and it really felt like an infestation everywhere I just don't think that there's uh the show is doing enough to show the importance of saving the world by getting a cure At this point it seems very rare for people to get bitten It seems very easy to avoid most of the zombies as long as you don't go to large cities or just stay in designated safe areas So this is an interesting point of view because at first I thought they were heading to the position of just like Where's my zombies in my zombie show? But then they turn around they say well, no It's it's making me wonder about the importance of even getting a cure in this wheel You know like why why and I was just sitting there thinking like oh I thought that was kind of part of the point in uh the game was that like how viable is a cure anyway Yeah, the last of us two struggles on this because if you're already infected, it's over. You're done It's it's safe to assume that the infected have so much brain damage. Yeah that They're done So they can't be saved and so it's like oh well if we give you the cure You can't be infected, but like you see what clickers do to people and bloaters. They just kill people So like even if you can't be infected, it's like well, they're still gonna kill you anyway Um the reality is like yeah sure it has some utility sure but like it ain't that helpful Um in this world. Yeah, you have to be bitten But not killed by the infected that bite you. Yeah, which I imagine is probably rather small amount of people You need to do is look at the deaths that happened in the last of us like the obvious non canonical Joel deaths It's like dude. He's dead like he's getting killed. Yeah He's not getting infected with the hopes of being cured or anything. He's just dead The funny thing is though where I thought this comment was going I was partially inclined to agree depending on how these last two go It does feel like we didn't get much um Even though there's there's several examples to speak to I think this is only gonna go as far as a preference I would have liked some more zombie interactions and i'm starting to I would agree with you so far I kind of feel like I I want to see more zombies I do feel like they're not enough of a when they're here They're a big threat, but they seem to be not here a lot My feeling has changed over the course of the season because that first encounter that they had with the two in the Museum, I was like that was really cool the show that just two of them is really scary But we haven't had any encounters like that The game has loads of them and I was just thinking to myself like imagine Yeah, just in the middle of an episode where they travel in Joel and Ellie You have just like a subway or an area that's like a corridor type But it's quite big and there's just you know seven in fact it just just And they yeah, and they need to be silent and the stress of the you know Like don't touch anything don't step on anything and then you know you get your standard like oh one of them's walking right by you And then you're fine and then you step on a twig and you're like oh And then they both like start sprinting. Is it just scenes like that? We've had like No, we we haven't um except for that first scene in the museum Yeah, because the next time that we saw it it was massive hordes which is um It's a bit different from the game in the game. There's not often massive hordes. I like the things we've had except probably the Riley one. I don't know. I've gotta be for that one. That one was lame But I would like it more it seems like it's a uh Because it's kind of the same with raider encounters because the game so much of it is encounters with raiders and encounters with infected and They were definitely not going to be doing as many as the game does because there's no need to facilitate like combat or anything But yeah, I guess the longer that it goes on the more it's like, oh, there haven't been that many encounters And we don't need like big blowouts like the one that we got in episode five Like all the time that can totally be reserved for you know, big mid season or like season final Yeah, and we could do with some more infected my more substantive argument for why we should have these is probably because It's another dynamic and layer for binding the two of them together watching how they survive together And then you know the two of them helping each other out And ellie's increasing confidence would be good as well to see because you know She never had to deal with these encounters joe's dealt with them all the time And we could even do what we have in the games right where ellie will help by like throwing Like an object to distract enemies or like throw a brick at you know, somebody that they've encountered I'm really surprised we haven't seen a brick or a bottle being thrown like to distract a clicker That is a key reference. Yeah, that happens so much in the game. Yeah, yeah But you know again So like like I said, it's just funny to have that thought from the first portion But then the second portion being like, you know, I'm not even sure cure's gonna make that much of a difference Like I'm pretty sure that's what we said in defense of joe when the last of us two shout on him like I think it's one of the defenses is the notion that it will save the world as a pipe dream And that's putting to one side the logistics of even disseminating the cure And whether the fireflies would want to do that considering that they're at war with the government And then you go because like certainly wouldn't give it to fedra Just right said right like joe is responsible for all the deaths moving forward after what he did with ellie It's just like you'd have to be incredibly naive to think that the cure would have solved the earth's No, we're so when when somebody gets killed by a bloater or the rat king It's like well or a radar. It's like well. Yeah, but the cure and like that would have done it Like it's like no, obviously like, you know the debate It's it's kind of like a thing that happens a lot like children and men You know was a similar thing of like is the is the world even is it beyond saving at this point? And that film's answer is no, it's not the last of us is more complicated In terms of like is the world saving it's like logistically. It's like damn, man How are you gonna do it? You know, I know last was one of the best ways to explain in a quick format The circumstances required for a person to pick one over everyone Exactly person can easily be brought to that and the thing is the audience doesn't really disagree with him Yeah, pretty much like the general Perception of joe at the end of the last of us was like, yeah cool, bro Like, you know, you go save ellie like go get her as opposed to like, whoa, what joe you've doomed the world I don't think that that was a common perspective about that game at all And people are worried right that they'll recontextualize it in this show and make him like obviously the villain But it's funny because um even in the scenario that it's absolutely certain that she'll Like the whole world will be a utopia if she simply gives up her life and she agrees to it I can still understand her father preventing that from happening Though I would say if the show Actually wanted to present like yeah, the world will be good. I'd be like, I think that's a bad right in there Oh, yeah, that's a recognition of reality. Well, we're almost there We're coming so close to that uh that episode and there won't be any comment showcase for what The reaction is to episode nine. Well there. Nope. We make a special We'll see in a final comment showcase Common showcasing stravaganza bonanza loser. No guarantees. No one is safe I think my big problem is that this is just yet another episode that we don't have ellie and joel If this show is 13 to 15 episodes, I am totally on board with this kind of episode But the problem is we only have nine with episode three not focusing on their relationship and episode one being primarily flashbacks and setups We only have six episodes to have their relationship episode two has tests and joel is very cold to ellie So that's even less the next episode will most likely be the david episode So they won't talk too much which leaves a whopping four episodes where we can really focus on joel and ellie The pacing of the show wants to be breaking bad or daredevil where we can spend time doing multiple stories But it just isn't we simply don't have the time I don't know It's just when joel says that she isn't his daughter in the game your heart shatters Because you saw their bond grow for hours when he says it in the show I was more confused as to why he would really consider her a daughter I guess they were together for three months, but unfortunately we don't get to see any of that potential development I think it's being undersold a little bit here in this comment But I still understand this perspective and I would actually agree 13 to 15 episodes would probably be like if we knew that we had hit episode eight out of 15 And uh everything had spread further and chunkier and we got more time with them. I do think that would be an improvement Yes, I do I wouldn't scoff at more time. Yeah, I would definitely wouldn't scoff at more time Yeah, it's nice to have you know like episode three It's nice to have that if I could choose with the last episode between having like more joel and ellie or ellie and reilly I'd rather have joel and ellie, you know I would take him the full episode being joel and ellie with her talking about what happened with reilly Yeah, it just I feel like we kind of like it's feels kind of like a waste of an episode It's not but I feel like it I just wouldn't have gone that route I feel like not enough happened for what they committed to I wouldn't say it was like a waste of an episode. It's more that with the amount of time that you have you didn't use that time Very effectively like yeah, the you could have you spent a whole episode on those concepts We didn't get our chance at it You could have achieved more with that concept or you could have shaved down the amount of time that was spent on that To have other material because we are getting close to the end Like we've got two episodes left and there is something to be said about the game being longer in total Then this uh the show is though in terms of like cutscenes to to show time It might be different But I mean that is part of the story right is the encounters that you have Yeah, like it's not a clear segmenting between that gameplay and the story I guess I'm gonna look at the the frank portion is developing ellie and joel at the same time That's right because not in the show them sort of as parallel Yeah, the show is like developing a thematic element But uh in terms of like advancing joel and ellie obviously ellie's not in that episode much at all It's very clear that a lot of people understandably want to see more of joel and ellie together talking doing stuff What's the best part of the game? Yeah, I mean arguably the best part of the show too I would definitely go down the road of having just more of them together The favorite for me is still episode five because I think that was just a really solid full package Having um the bouncing of all four of those characters having a villain that was pretty well Understood and just a polar opposite to a lot of what those characters are trying to run with but also a cautionary tale The action scene was just really fun. Of course. There were still problems in the episode, but I like you know Less so compared to how bad it could have gotten and none of them like ruined characters or anything And uh, yeah a lot of joel and ellie back and forth thing and stuff and a lot of characters like that that if we had that Every episode in the season. I think it would be ready to be a hell of a lot more praise But yes, I understand this and um it'll be interesting to think of the show in as a whole once we get the last two episodes done These two episodes are kind of critical. I think these two episodes will make or break the show You know, this will determine whether it's going to be like, yes That was a great season of television or damn you like tripped up at the finish line And that like changes a lot of the material that came before like in recontextualizing what it all led up to If these next two are like the last one we could have some issue Yeah, we're gonna have some problems if they are of the same quality as episode five However, it'd be like, oh, that'd be a really strong finale and I suppose The other thing that is looming over this is how you're going to change that final episode in particular What choices you're going to be making in terms of our In terms of the ending that we're leading to and the next season of television that we know is happening And they had to have known that we're going to get like that. We're going to be entering into next The disappointment I have in eFap's analysis is that they have missed a rare opportunity with this show Going after quantumania, dr strange, mlm basically anything ryan johnson writes is elementary There are obvious issues at every turn. The last of us challenges us to dig much deeper It's a perfect case study an opportunity to better understand the differences between what makes something good And what makes something great and perhaps walk away with a greater insight on film and story in general It is a show that mimics a game that's widely considered to be a masterpiece by most often shot for shot in line for line Yet people are quite divided many saying the show is only good It's competent, but it is not great like the game This can't be dismissed by it not matching preconceived expectations Because the same opinion is held by a number of people who never played the game Why is the consensus so unified for the quality of the story in the game yet not for the show? It's uncommon. We get an adaptation that follows an original masterpiece so closely It offers the same kind of opportunities the psycho remake which despite being nearly shot for shot line for line Still fell far short of the original masterpiece It suggests there's more to the difference between a film that's good and a film that's great than just the story script cinematography editing and so on There are subtle things that answers easily picked up on that can make all the difference between something that is good But forgotten and something that lives on eternally as a classic We have no shortage of bad films and shows in which to point out the flaws We have many great films and shows in which to praise but the last of us gives us something much more rare It offers an uncommon chance at comparison and insight into what makes something good And what makes something great that we may not find elsewhere and simply defending and praising this show Completely squanders the real value that can be drawn from it. I appreciate that you've been I think you're trying to be like pretty good faith here, but like that's not a great comment my dude It's just like reducing all of our analysis down to like simply defending and praising this show When we'd be more than willing throughout our coverage to offer genuine response This feels like a comment that belongs on like a different video I guess uh or different series of videos because not only do we I don't know if anyone else in their reactions are doing like extensive comparisons to the game and then talking about whether or not we thought Different parts are better or worse even down to particular line deliveries and being like oh the choice to like for example We've talked at certain points about really tiny changes. I know I have done on open bar as well Obviously the comparison of how they did frank. We did we did a lot on that one It's what's quite baffling as I feel like the coverage that we've been providing It's much more about digging into the parts rather than the sum of its parts of like Oh, well, you know, it has this which the game had it has this with the game had Like it's been very much like a lot of times point by point attempts at comparison What we thought was better or what we thought was worse and why it's been thorough Like I don't know what to say Well, so and then I was going to highlight like this is we watch it and then talk about it This isn't a more of video or bringing to you like on any kind of like deep dive This isn't like an e-fap what we've we've got like from beginning to end Everything that we want to talk about in the story going point by point chronologically for hours Every piece of media is a huge opportunity to do all kinds of things. We're gonna cover it as is our Yeah, I I don't like the the idea. It's like multiverse of madness is elementary It's like is it really elementary to like have to delve into like all of those intricate like mechanics of like the Fucking what was it the incursions? Well, yeah Like the illuminati and their role in that well to like lay out in a manner that is as coherent as you can Like do with that. It's not easy to catch That um, like when you say america chavez is assassinated by the end of the film I don't think anybody knew what I was talking about when I like decided finally caught that from several digs She has the power to save her parents whenever she wants like that's something that's insane But most people don't catch that like do you feel like the majority of people who watch that film would be like Yeah, I mean obviously like that's elementary my dude like yeah, of course That's that's a problem with that film and then uh ryan johnson films. They're actually difficult to untangle Well hits people love those movies and think that they're brilliant and then saying like, you know Simply defending and praising the show. It's like we don't this is like a live reaction. Essentially. That's just recorded here You know, it's just like I want to make it clear. We are not just defending and praising the show. That's not true That's just no, that's not what's happening and especially if this was the comment on last week's episode How could you possibly say that we thought that's our most like disliked episode We went into why we thought it was flawed and we explained what our defenses are Why we think what we think and how we got there That was the episode where I Layed out exactly why I think the game is better than the show and I did like visuals to try to help Support the points about pacing characters relationships and like choice of I don't know whatever dramas happen events happen It's like I don't understand this comment just feels like it belongs somewhere else It's because It's their new favorite shiny toy They wouldn't be getting flamed in their comments if they were up front and honest about their bias towards the show It's honestly entertaining watching their audience pushing back against them Well, I'd say that our new favorite shiny toy was dead space. Uh, also than the luck Ragnarok before that Well, that was the first thing I kind of wanted to say is like we like this show But I don't think any of us love it. I don't love it. No, I'm not I'm not there yet I don't I don't love it yet. No, I like it. I think it's good I think it's better than than it's getting credit for in uh in certain circles I think secondly I find it amusing about this. I wonder if this comment to I don't know if they know the history of eFap This is like our this is like our 150th time. We fight our audience. We do it all the time I think uh, look at it. It's their audience. The way that this is framed is He's not a part of The audience yeah, there's a audience pushing backs like man I can't think of a single other time that might have happened. You know what else is kind of funny I'm just thinking about the comment above right all this ever they they use the fact that people are quite divided on the show Saying it's good and bad and that with uh, you know understanding why people don't like it, right? It goes beyond editing synagogues. It's so close. It's like this applies to everything and um, we've always taken A stance pretty much this is rare. We come across a film or a tv show or a game where we just go No opinions on that whatsoever and whenever we do that means we've we've pretty much gone in opposition to anyone else who thinks The opposite which happens a lot seriously a large amount of time Like I knew people would disappoint to find out like I didn't think much of uh, banshees have been a share it They were like, oh It's like I was like, well, yeah Yeah, there's probably gonna be an unpopular take because that's mcdonald's films are always really really well received And the reason I bring that up is just that's the most recent controversial take I've had I think No, I know how many is that this year already, you know Well, and the the best part is I've got like 20 30 of them cooking that you guys don't even know about yet They don't know they ain't ready for some of them And also I just see they wouldn't be getting flamed in their comments if they were up for an honest about their bias towards the show Well, I mean we were pretty upfront about our bias against the show. Yeah Oh, yeah for ages before the show came out from the moment it was announced We went uh-oh If you watch me and nidrodic's house the dragon coverage in the first few episodes, I just admit I'm biased against the show. I kind of hate it. It's like Yeah, it's really mean that you hate it because it's good. It's just like, yeah, well I was just like that's just reality, but it completely won me over I can't say that this isn't the same thing where I went from being like, no This show's probably gonna be very good to be like, okay. This is this is good I find it interesting right that they said like this was the the chance for you guys to talk about the difference between like Good and great and then I was thinking about all the discussions we've had across these episodes and I feel like that's what that is When we talk about like We've done that before like I'm not really sure why we're just talking about marvel movies Like, you know that we've covered more than marvel movies, right? Well, yeah Oh, it was just the last what was our coverage of underwater if not like this is an interesting example of an okay to good movie Yeah, and then we talked about what could have made it great And then of course the many examples of films where it's like So this is like, you know mediocre or it's sliding into bad territory, but it's not like anywhere near You know like the absolute drags of like what you can, you know get with stories We talked when discussing mom what could have made that great because you can with every other movie that comes out They they still can be great I don't know man Like I feel like you missed a lot of uh a lot of the coverage that we've done like in general It's kind of the implication of us saying we think this show's good Here are the ways we think it you know messes up or makes mistakes. That's kind of the distinction between good and great Yeah Is if they didn't have those mistakes or they made the improvements that we suggested that it might elevate it to great Yeah, I I do not understand the basis for people like this guy saying that because when he says favorite shiny toy I think he's saying like you're playing favorites and I don't see what the basis is for saying that You're playing favorites. I mean after the last of us part two I'd say you're probably all expecting it to be not be very good like you said But I don't know Do they think that you're tied to one of the actors like Pedro or something because you praised him in Mandalorian or something Or whatever this last episode the best they could do is you like it. That's your bias. It's like I mean I do like it But I don't know that that's like what are we trying to ascribe here in terms of like a bias stemming from liking something I might bias because I like ration and clank and then I also say that the games are great Is like well you would you're biased you like it's like which comes first that it's great and therefore I like it or what You know, it's yeah Makes me think they forgot our last of us two coverage I appreciate the corrections on a couple of the earlier comments We've looked at and some highlights of uh other realities things that we can agree disagree This was just one of the examples of a greater criticism I don't really know what to do with this because like most of what it's asking for I feel like we've been doing So, you know, I guess we'll carry on. We I'm pretty sure we mentioned at last episode just an example We love just one at least when you brought up the ragnarok dog was like, oh, that's a terrible example But like at least you tried at least they tried. Yeah, we can grapple with it. We can at least explain Well, you know what last comment we do have an example It's kind of funny how Moeller says you can easily make a headcanon about this uh plot problem So I guess now it's fine if you have to do the writer's work for them Wasn't that supposed to be a sign of how the show isn't that competent if you have to come up with your own headcanon I need to cue that scene from infinity war. What the face that he makes war where he's just he just can't believe it So, um, I almost want to like reflexively be like, oh god. No guys. No, no, no, no We don't want everything explicit. That's where my mind's gone too straight away. You know, like, um, yes We we want a lot of our favorite scenes of all time will be characters just looking at something or expressing something Even taking an action and we all get to discuss why they did it, right? Because like This is just one of them, uh Teachable opportunities, I suppose if you can see this 21 replies plenty of people know exactly what the difference is But but some people don't so we can go over it first and foremost One can headcanon literally anything ever whenever they want they can if they want to To go to an extreme if someone said like, um, I love that, you know Homer Simpson is actually an alien that if you watch the whole show, it just makes way more sense Be like, okay I don't think much of anything really supports that and most people aren't going to accept it It's like that kind of headcanons like yeah, you can do that But headcanon refers to way more than just that and so and not all headcanon is created equally To be excessive about this. All right Why did vader attack the emperor at the moment that he did in return of the jedi? It's like if we're all discussing this just after watching we go well because luke is about to die He's he's literally about to die or or maybe because luke says I think he says father, please among many other quotes And that reminds him of a duty as a father to protect his son. He's like, what else? He's like, uh, well, he loves luke and you just can't stand to see him in pain That's you know, just like that It's like what about finally seeing the emperor as the monster he truly is and he has to stop them Like what about he just he's decided this is it. I've had enough Have to stop the galaxy from suffering and this is how I can do it It's like you could you could pick all of them or any of them really I don't really like if someone said no, he's not thinking about the galaxy when he does that You're like, uh, you know, maybe not maybe though It's kind of hard to say and if I said, yeah, you can kind of head kind of whatever you want there What i'm referring to is out of those options If someone said well, no vader did it because he really likes fireworks And he wanted to throw the emperor down there and see him explode because it'd be funny Like that's that's why he did it. It's like, uh And then he's like, no, no, no, no He thought lifting the emperor up would power him up. He didn't realize he would die from that He was hoping he'd live and it's like, okay And someone else was like, oh, you know, this is where they play fight and this time it went too far And the thing about the first set that I went through is that all of them are supported and none of them contradict Anything in the text I would say meanwhile the later ones I just mentioned all of them contradict what comes after so they can't fit that they cannot be You could head cannon it for yourself But you can't like head cannon it in a way that it can match the world It can slip right in and actually work Maybe you could call it soft head cannon and hard head cannon something like that But this would apply to multiple sort of things like why does any character do anything? Uh, well, we watched it recently. Why did why did elsa try to grab the holy grail at the end of last crusade? It's like she wanted youth forever. She wanted the power. She just considered it so fucking precious She just wanted to have it for herself like a greed or whatever. Okay. Yeah, it could be any of them could be all of them This one said well because obviously she wanted to lick it and then she could fly away That's just how that works. It's the power you get from it Like no, I don't think that's true at all. And I don't think anything supports that and I think that's insane I don't think you if that was true And then of course like in that example the converse of like a bad argument be It's insane that she would even try to do that. She's gonna slip and die So why would she ever like try to do that? It's like well you need to think about who she is And you know what she values So it works both ways and that's a great example If you said like Yeah, she's killing herself by doing that and you go, yeah, but that's how much she wants it And then you're like, so that's just headcanon. When does she ever say I really want this? Let's go with the counter example that they're probably referencing from my TLJ videos Why didn't hold hotel po the plan like well back when that was all happening, right? The first thing that people said was like she doesn't like him and he keeps like asking for information So brazenly, especially after causing such a fucking disaster. You remember he got all the fleet destroyed. What an asshole like, okay Fine. I accept that. That's the reason let's talk about it Had he not done it everyone would now be dead and we can go through all the details on that But that's just true and most people like, you know, yeah, okay when you explain how it all works And it's like also leia could have stopped him at any moment during that whole battle But she doesn't like that's strange She outranks him and I'm pretty sure there's an admiral on board that outranks him too So why are we all blaming him when we could easily have outranked and stopped him at any point? Especially because all the people in that do you remember like they're already on the way and they're all very happy They're all like, you know, I'm here po. Let's do it, you know, and it was all planned and uh, Leia's like suggests and they were formation and everything. They're right there. They launched pride They launched prior they were already on their way He's how slow those fucking things are and so this this starts to fall apart You're like, is that why because that doesn't really make sense and she likes po She like smiles at him and says he's a good dude and yes He literally tells leia, you know, I really like him and so then you have people being like, uh Fine. No, uh, she thought he's a mole. She thought he was a mole. There you go And a lot of people started parroting that. So it's like, yeah, that makes sense. There you go And it's like there's nothing that supports that and there's only something small that contradicts it So where are you getting that from and it's sad because like it kind of would be an interesting plot point, right? If either uh, holder was the mole or hux had like, you know sent over false information about how po was a mole And that there was just a question of his loyalty and that it caused severe friction on this ship You know something like that. None of it's in the film. None of it. There's no reference to moles There's no reference to anything to do with like a distrust of po in that direction There's just nothing it's like, yeah, but it you know, if it were that way if hux maybe did fuck around with them Or if maybe she is maybe she is a mole whatever works for you It's like, no, none of it's working. You can't there is no head cannon that makes all of that work Unfortunately, other than maybe if you say well, holdo was uh, she was hit with like a mind scanner from an alien That happened to be in the area that shot her through like the walls to make her unreasonable That's my head cannon. Um, it's like what we hadn't uh, we hadn't talked about it in a while Because it hasn't really popped up as an issue But it used to a while back this element of us trying to be objective and how that was often Misconstrued or misunderstood as us saying that we're searching for Some element of absolute truth or that we can't possibly be wrong in our search or in our the process of being objective And the head cannon talk it's similar in a way where your head cannon can be Wild and nonsensical and completely made up and have no references or not be based on anything That's actually in the material or it could be supported by A vast amount of lines and scenes and what we understand about characters in the plot and the mechanics of the world and so when Your head cannon is really really really in line With what's actually in the material. I think it's it has its most merit This was an issue with uh, one of the last videos that I did regarding obi-wan kanobi's death and a new hope Or I think that obi-wan kanobi when he notices that luke is watching him fight vader That's when he decides to let vader kill him partially I believe To a great deal So that it helps to motivate luke to do what he couldn't do and kill vader and stop the emperor The emperor and the empire it's not explicitly said in the film But based off the timing and the expression and the stated goals that obi-wan has for luke and you know speaking to him as a Force ghost. I think that even if this is head cannon, I guess maybe it is. I don't know. I think it's really really strongly Supported by the events in the film So that's just a recent example for me with a different other part of the media It might just be the sticking point of using the term head cannon because it's like I think explicit I don't want explicit information and how you control the use of it with all of that being said It's like why does the dog look like inquisitive or kind of tilted at a person And then he's chill with them a little bit later Well dogs are animals that have all kinds of emotional states for all kinds of reasons We've never met this dog before and all we know is that it's a sniffer for the cordyceps stuff He could change his approach based on really anything Uh, the any smells coming from any location could make him change expressions briefly or behaviors He could change it based on the height of the person He's walking up to the weight of them sex clothing smells that come from them directly that don't even relate to cordyceps Could be he's tired in that moment and he's like waking back up Could be there's something in the distance he saw could be he doesn't like The feel of the cold out of his paws on the floor. Maybe he needs to pee could be hungry Maybe the sun is in his eyes in a bit of an awkward angle He doesn't like the cut of everyone's jib perhaps I could go on but the point is in return of the Jedi And the last crusades instances you could infer A lot of reasons for Vader or else's decisions But you can't go much further than what has support you can't you can't go so far outside of it that it starts causing contradictions Right in the last Jedi you can't actually pick a motive that can fit with the story Unless you start to build up other story elements that literally aren't there But even then those will like eventually contradict and so they they can fuck it up too the last of us You can pick one of a hundred reasons the dog can give an expression I can't even believe I have to explain that like it could be any fucking reason is my point You're welcome to pick it literally changes nothing about anything It could be any of them until we get more information about this dog See more examples of how he sniffs people or whatever we can't even base a consistent attitude We saw what we saw there could be any countless reasons for this to happen Hence why I said Headcanon whatever you want and I find it really bizarre that we call this a plot problem It's not a problem the dog can look a different way and then a different way that is totally possible Dogs can do this rags. Can you please confirm? Definitely 100% every time What you can't do is say that the dog was apprehensive at first because he's actually A dog mech that's being driven by Joel from the future and that he's come back in time in the dog To protect because he killed the real dog that would have bitten and torn apart Ellie and instead he's driving that dog to protect her in that moment because then we'd be like well Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa if that's Joel in the dog that what sorry time travels possible Like of all the things he could be doing he chose to do that. That's completely a coherent. It can't work at all Meanwhile, the one that's incredibly simple and has a thousand options. You can go outside Show been a whole episode setting up the dog raised from from a pup And then it sets up like this is why it can smell these things and then yeah, how did he get trained? We didn't even get to see any of his training Was as well like as I was like to the first reaction I had this is like Yeah, we don't want to lose this by the way guys because it takes away subtleties from performances or even events It's fun to dig into why characters feel a certain way or they take whatever actions they take We don't need everything to be explicit But at the same time you need to be able to draw something That was the big problem with holdo. No one could figure out why she did it Yeah, because it just didn't you didn't make sense. You look to the material and you're like, why why though? I'm trying to figure it out. What am I supposed to do an example I was thinking of if I'm thinking of head cannon correctly is um in breaking bad season four You know when Brock gets poisoned in some way There's a number of things that could have happened and we don't need to know exactly which one of them It was and it's not exactly Laziness on the writer's part. I mean they deliberately omitted it Because you could have the big reveal and sinister implication at the end of that finale where it's like oh Walt did it somehow, you know the hyper simplistic example of this whole head cannon thing is a characters in one location And then they're in another one. It's like well, how did they get there? It's like they drive probably These are teleportation machine We need to see them drive I'm very glad you used that example because this has come up Several times over time I was about to say annually and you know what I might commit to like more than annually Where people in our audience will ask us and we actually answered this question on super chatcatcher semi recently that we recorded What is the difference between a reasonable inference and just making shit up for the story? And this goes all the way back to efap episode. I want to say two or three Can't remember where we talked about shut up about plot holes where patrick Willam said it is perfectly reasonable to infer exactly what batman did to get from the hole to gartham when That would be an example of where is the line between? We need more information and we have enough information. That's probably the best example ever where it just crosses it as far as I'm concerned Yes, he is batman. Yes, he's bruce wane, but we've been told he's bankrupt He has basically like no contacts at this point. He's an incredibly broken man He's in the middle of nowhere and gartham's on lockdown and he has a time limit Yeah, I guess there may be a one in a million way. He could probably do this I guess but like good god you owe us There are a lot of variables for which saying nothing is like I don't know if that's good enough as opposed to a character is in their house And then they got like I don't need to see homer drive to work Like I know how he got there. He used his car Like but if home is in space, you might be like, well Yeah, or like if it were in a medieval world and it's like you you teleported from one kingdom to another It's like, well damn man, like how long has it been? You know, like how long did it take you to get from one location to another? It's all it's it's a blurry line, but there is a line And it's all about reasonable inferences versus, you know writing the story for the writer I didn't expect this to come up with the dog's expressions though No, I I can't believe that the dog is this one that is causing these problems Like why is it so hard to believe that a dog can smell like an infection? It's not that it's the the dog looked kind of shifty and then he was okay with ellie. That was Because an inconsistency Yeah, it's micro analyze the expressions that animals make all the time. That's what I mean Hence that's what I said. I was like head cat of whatever the hell you want He's thinking about whatever the hell you want and then it's just like wow So we're just gonna The head cat and egg the dog's clear fluctuations and inconsistencies It's a dog You can think whatever you want as long as it doesn't contradict any information you've been given before That's kind of where we sit on this was vader partially informed by his his rush to kill the emperor because he needed to pee It's like, I guess that doesn't contradict anything And it's possible this is taking too long ever. I'm gonna throw you off so I can do it Oh, no, I'm dying now. Oh, I guess I'll just pee in my suit Now, uh, what I will say is this will come up again and we'll talk about it again So but it could be half a year could be months from whenever I don't know It's just that they will be times when people feel like we are owed more information And we will feel the the opposite or vice versa. It is possible So, uh, hopefully that helps you understand and so takes us to the episode Oh There's that pensive music is this pensive I think so there's a bit of that. Yeah, what do you think is the dominant emotion of this This theme uh melancholy. I'd be inclined to agree on that. I think it's like a mix. It's very sort of neutrally Um, like you could put it on the many kinds of different things Like it could be on a a montage where someone's like working on a project Maybe but they're a little bit frustrated Like someone's died and so they're trying to finish up a project that was personal to the person who died, perhaps or Someone's discovering making a making a bit of a sinister discovery Like a detective at a crime scene looking for clues. Yeah Right snow We predicted there would be snow because we saw snow last time. Look at that wide shot. That's a nice shot That's real water they got there Actual snow for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away. Uh-oh The tabernacle of god Tabernacle's a funny word. It's with men. Tabernacle god is with me and god shall wipe away all tears from their eyes They could do this in an actual church if they wanted to right? Maybe they don't have one How exactly they would scout out all the different places they want? How much they want to keep it close to the game or not? Like I was in El Camino You're right. He's one of the cops, right or the fake cops Uh, yeah, I'm gonna shoot out the other guy and god will wipe away all tears from their eyes And you're crying it's so fun Neither sorrow nor crying Neither will there be any more pain. What a great deal. Yeah So you're gonna eat her in this scene Hey This could be they might have adapted the non cannibal vision The ground is too cold to dig Oh, we don't bury people here, bud That was Troy. That was Troy. That's the grounds. That is Joel. Wow. I hope he does his Joel voice in the show For now he's gonna be frozen. We may as well Uh Acknowledge the elephant in the room that um, there is a bit of a twist in the game. You discover this group Eat human meat. Oh my goodness gracious And I imagine that that's already what they're implying with those looks after you know bearing a body It's like I'm assuming maybe the community itself doesn't know Hmm. Hmm. That's uh, because in the game, they're all uh, they're all happy to eat Uh humans. Oh, I guess they're dealing more with the logistics then of like they have a supply of food But then occasionally they do this could be uh, and they mix it in Just sigin martin think they spotted some deer the other night A couple miles east he is not doing the Joel voice disappointing zero out of 10 Well, so it makes me wonder could you guys have bought him as Joel in this? Uh, not no old enough. I think You can age him up a bit. I think the build isn't quite right, but yeah, I agree. Maybe he could do something about that I don't know as an actor I feel like this is indicative of the strengths of video games Like you can have somebody who's got the right voice and they can match You know the physicality in terms of movement and everything But even if they don't quite look like what you want them to it's like well, it's a video game You can create an original person It's getting intense with that now, especially with the risk of a judge and kratos, right kratos Yeah, so much physical acting at this point. It's like voice actor doesn't really cover it Voice actor is kind of downplaying how much they have to do like with that role over how much time and physically embodying the character Yeah, no slight against Troy on my part. I think that guy does a fucking amazing job doing the voice in the game Oh, he does. Yeah, he's very very good And uh, it looked like what we were establishing there is that uh, Dave has got control through the bible at least somewhat and he doesn't want to be able I wonder if what they're going to try and set up here is that because Joel is near to death They'd rather Actually kill him and use him for me rather than the person who was part of their group Maybe that'll be the dynamic like who are you with because they're not part of our group So this would be a better trade for us. Could go any direction. You never exactly know Here's a cracker for when you wake up It's a little reward for it'd be so unfortunate if he rolls slightly and it falls onto the floor and he's like, honey And now it's on the floor She gets a straw from upstairs and she says you need to suck up Oh, she's gonna go or is she I wonder if she's gonna find uh Bo, well, I think the idea there is she's gonna go hunt something, right? Yes, but I wonder if they're gonna write so no bow though I mean, yeah I mean, especially considering if if you've never if you have not shot a bow before it Well, I mean, of course in the in the game. She uses a bow Yeah, I was half expecting for the episode to open on the shot with the rabbit where the arrow goes through. Oh, yeah Bow implies like the fact that she's super proficient with that sort of implies a massive amount of time that she's been Taking care of him like it's been a while Exactly. Um, whereas here It's seemingly more condensed because we haven't had the autumn section. We went straight to winter Right. Yeah, actually if I was to guess, I don't actually I wouldn't you know To begin in terms of if it's been could even have been just a week maybe or even last Yeah, it hasn't necessarily been long which I wonder Ah Rabbit look at that rabbit. You can tell it's cold too by her face. She's actually very very quiet clearly out in the Yes, you can tell that they're actually shooting out in a cold area Come on Ellie get it together. Yeah Also, don't get lost Like seriously don't get lost getting lost is bad. I will actually I give you that lost is real bad. Yeah Well, there's the footprints. You can use that to get back clicking continues in brackets. Excuse me clicking It's a dur. Oh my god a dur It might not be real, but if you kill it it turns into actual meat. Oh like an age of empires shoot that deer That's an easy shot. You got there though It's Nice shot decent ish. Don't worry. It'll bleed you follow it. Just shot it in the brain Shot right through the fucking face Idiot hunter doesn't aim to kill instead aims to make sure they hit environment shots The I love that they've actually gone out to shoot in these really beautiful locations Oh schnitzel Oh Hello We just want to talk turn and face me slow Any sudden moves I put one right between your eyes did open buddy boy Any sudden moves and I put one right between your eyes did open buddy boy over there What do you want? You're quite a hunter. We didn't even hear you coming turn around and walk away Okay, just go names David This here's my friend James But from a larger group Women children. I won't say it twice. Please just 10 seconds. My name is David This is my friend James. They're all very very hungry So am I We're from a larger group women children and we're all very very hungry So am I Women and children all very hungry too Well, I'm from a large group too All so hungry Maybe we could Trade you for some of that meat there What do you need? We're not asking for charity. We we can trade you for some of the deer. We have what do you need? We have Weapons ammo clothes medicine medicine like for infections We do you have any antibiotics We do back at the camp Welcome to follow. I'm not following you anywhere back in our village. You're welcome to follow us. I'm not following you anywhere Buddy boy can go get it. Buddy boy can go get it He comes back with what I need the deer is all yours anyone else shows up You put one right between my eyes That's right. He comes back. You get half the deer Anyone else shows up? I put one right between my eyes That's right Two bottles of the penicillin in a syringe make it fast Go on Bring back two bottles in a syringe It's not code james. Do as I said He's trying to pitch a voice down to seem more intimidating. We didn't even hear you coming turn around and walk away It's not quite batman, but it's a little bit deeper. All I ask is 10 seconds Put the weapons down Please just 10 seconds. Yeah, she's over compensating like crazy. Is my friend james medicine like for infections We do no no not that infection. You're welcome to follow it. He comes back. You get half the deer Anyone else shows up? I put one right between my eyes I don't know Troy doesn't seem convinced of the case with some penicillin He's uh, yeah, this is kind of like they've done it throughout the season. It's it's close It's not quite one-to-one, but it's close. Yeah That number of parallels the blocking is pretty much one-to-one These slips like oh, oh, that was 11. Damn it Hey, not bad. Yeah, looks good. It's a four mile round trip back to our settlement It's gonna be a while before james gets back. I have some oil and matches in my pack. We could Take shelter start a fire. I wonder if they're gonna do the encounter I do not know if they want to spend that kind of time on it. I'd like to see it Well, I think that would be the one opportunity to introduce some infected in this episode I don't expect them to do it at any other point Well, because even if it gives you a small it gives you more of a reason to push back in the direction of the settlement Gives David more of a reason to you know, well if they do it I hope they give more of a reason. It's kind of random in in the game Sudden infected Yeah, well in the game it establishes some sense of trust between the two characters, right? That's what decent men say that's also what people lying say if they're not actually decent They're just pretending to be decent. It's true. That's the conundrum. Yes I am a preacher, but just pretty standard bible stuff What the whole world ended and you still believe that I actually started believing after the world ended. I was about to say that might have bolstered their beliefs to be honest Yeah, well, I found god After the apocalypse, which is either the best time or the worst time to find him Hard to say But when the Pittsburgh qz fell in 17, I left with a few others and that's how I ended up with our flock Long way from Pittsburgh The that's a nod to the game for sure somewhere and then raiders would come so we'd move again Just like those fucking raiders. They're like ants and they're just everywhere Well, you look had to run up sooner or later. Yeah luck Oh such thing around provenance. I believe everything happens for a reason sent four of our people to a nearby town to To scavenge what they could oh those are the guys that the universe will say you should be able to notice And her dad was taken from turns out. He was murdered By this crazy man and get that he's crazy man traveling A little girl that crazy man Was traveling with a little girl Everything happens for a reason You see Everything happens for a reason James lower the gun I do question both in the game and hear why he said this to her everything happens for a reason It's so like James lower the gun. Yeah, but look his eyes are a little bit unhinged safe. Yeah She didn't kill anybody lower the gun. Is he saying it so we have context for that political day Did you bring the well? I like that he's trying to gain her trust by taking the opportunity to tell the guy to lower his gun And I guess you could only see some he's explaining how much he has reason to kill it, but he won't he's like I'm chill I'm being nice. Yeah, and now you're not with a group. He won't survive for long out there I can protect you Free deer. Whoo. Actually, we're free on paper. He seems like a nice man, but there's just those little tells Yeah, he's just got evil looking. He's got an evil, you know looking his eye there No offense to the actor, but we'll actually yeah, I even would respect the actor for that the end of that delivery was like Was good in terms of just being unsettling. It's been good so far. Yeah. Yeah, I think the acting is great so far You get that in him Judging from that, how long do you think it's been? I do not know doesn't look like it's been long Where the fuck do I put it? You gotta get a In the eye Uh, I wish I knew what the nature of doing that is Yeah, I don't know. I genuinely have no idea I have no idea if this is I don't know if all the doctors out there are nodding or cringing Yeah, I guess we'll find out in the next comment showcase In that situation, wouldn't be best to find a vein in the forearm. I don't know I genuinely don't know And this actually does a way you would apply it was anti-biotics, right? Directly to the forehead or like in the thigh or something. I don't know. Well, because I presume it's because the wind might be infected Right. Yeah, I just don't know if that's I assume it's viable because holy fuck what a mistake if it's not, you know Well, it makes sense for ellie to decide. Well, just stick it in where it hurts Ragell, I guess where the wound is. Well, yeah, specifically the combat infection from that wound So that's why she's done it, but I just want to know, you know medically speaking What would happen if you do that? Yeah, if they're by the water could they like fish and stuff? Is that a thing that they could do? All the fish got infected rags. Oh, there's zombie fish There's a blota fish out there It's just gonna be gross. You ever seen piranha. Double d. It's like that piranha. Double d. Which one is that? Is that like a third fourth? I can't remember. It's it's a three double d. I think because it's 3d as well as having lots of tits That ain't bad. It's not venison. It's imagine. She like takes it just bite out of it Just goes, this is human dude. What the fuck? Oh, this is yeah, I know human Chunky ass meaty stew. Jeez. You know, only cut that up a little smaller. Especially to make it last too, right? Yeah, they're gonna come in dragging the deer be when we're in need. He shall provide and and jebas provided them a deer Thanks jebas. I call the antlers. Why though? It's okay to celebrate. If you've heard a rumor Oh when the sun rises I'll lead a group out to pick up her trail Oh Okay, so I just realized something. It's pretty dumb. They sent four raiders with no fucking guns when they all have guns here Right. I all had clubs and stuff. Yeah. Whoops. Yeah, that's just stupid, isn't it? And if they had they probably would have gotten joe so how did they find out that they Met the two. Uh, well, I'm guessing Troy Baker. He said something maybe when he came back Oh Oh, jeez. That's not nice Is this a god thing god wouldn't want us to the bible says I gotta slap you when you had a laugh I was gonna say like before david slapped a child Why do they all seem to dislike david is because they all suspect that he's lying to them about where the food's coming from I thought it might be that but I think it's just I thought it was that too, but it's just a bit disturbing And also yeah But you can still get fucking slapped so watch yourself. Oh, no Or it's nobody's respect when he's speaking. Oh, he means him Listen the problem with this guy is that he doesn't just eat other people. He's he's got the other thing Well, it's just the whole this whole group is unsettling. There's just like a sort of Clown vibe over them. Yeah, especially if you had to jackson where everything seems pretty chill Yeah, I want to live in jackson. I don't want to live here I that's one thing I quite like about the encounters throughout the story of The Last of Us Which they've done in the show as well as all these different kinds of people. Yeah, it's not even a happy cult It's one of those sad miserable cults So you get like the worst of both worlds Well, I don't know if we're meant to get the sense that they're all off kilter or they're just all kind of mad at david I for some reason my sense right now is just that they kind of fear him a bit, right? Because he's just creepy. He hasn't actually done anything. He's just really creepy He has and he does it might be that he has control over it But he does provide go to speak and no one's like talking. No, they're not like being social or They're they're not even like happy or anything Yeah, everyone's very Which be like an interesting rule, you know in the sense of if you're the one who brings back the deer You get an extra portion, you know to motivate him to you know, really Got there and get it, but the impression I get is that he just gets the leader Yeah, even though he kind of looks a little frail or at least a little going and I think that was on purpose to make him Look a bit more, um, you know Oh, well appears to be getting better They should do a doctor react to the last of us that probably already exists I hope it'd be better than like a deer reacts to the last of us A deer Live deer reaction It's just a deer sitting in front of his computer She's not even watching whatever he's meant to be reacting to but she shoots it. It's just like no Fuck this tins it off. Yeah, I do not approve of this. No, that's the point. That's the point when he becomes fully Yeah, sentient and just like, you know what? Very easy It's very offensive. Yeah, we always get killed and eaten. That's really fucked up hollywood Rose I assume they're gonna do the same thing here of it's the spirit of jacob Oh my god, I miss him. We should find out what he's in these days. He's probably another tv show a better tv show This man's not already dead We bring that girl back with us. She's just another mouth to feed If we leave her out here, she'll die. Maybe that's god's will Don't do that. Should I decide what god's will is? Yeah, no one gets to decide what god's will is but me Careful. I am god Yeah, he's it's hard to make his character seems persistently sad. Like that's really sad all the time Is he pretending to be asleep? No, no, he's just oh no, okay Right It's craft of medkit Yeah craft of medkit you have you need uh, you need cloth alcohol And that's in real about 10 seconds of your time Do they have the uh the pistol? What does she have it? Yeah, they should have a she should have a pistol He should have a revolver and a rifle as well. I think And then there's the rifle Where's her rifle or she ditching her guns? Because yeah, I don't know if it was She's gonna try and draw them off right like because She foolishly being a child as she does in the game goes back to Joel without realizing of course They will follow her there. Yeah, and so yeah, it's all for us Yeah, this this is all solid in terms of just it's better. They chase her than find Joel. Yeah Well, I totally believe she'd do this 100% Yeah No other universe Joel don't do it. I'm gonna shoot that horse Man that I guess the leader horse Absolutely. Yeah, so how did he get I guess he cut through the fence or something Yeah, he took like a shortcut I was just thinking like the potential of trying to not have the horse die for use of travel But then I was like actually these people would probably want to eat it. They said yeah, where are they gonna travel to? Exactly Damn, he's about to execute it. Was he they clearly said so that means that they're all in cahoots I said do it. Yeah, they all they all liked them on What do you think that is in terms of do you think they don't like him? But they follow him anyway. Well, no, um, are they trying to spare her? Yeah, that's what I was thinking like a mercy kill for Ellie because they don't want to subject her to David I have a feeling that's what it is. Oh, yeah It was all those looks that each of those guys had that they focused in on that makes me think that yeah Hmm Uh Deliver it My guess is he wasn't always crazy But he's become that way. You think something's happened. Yeah They said he went he was a teacher and he turned into preacher Which would have kept people together in really hard times right and then as time goes on Especially with that bigger portion of meal and he's doing we're gonna find out what but he's doing some extra things that clearly they Yeah, they're vaguely aware of best during growing discontent Yeah, he means a bad shot. He didn't even get to have a scope on his rifle I hope we're heading toward a particular scene. Uh, I think we are get up, buddy attention to detail with the blood there on the On the mattress things that's kind of what I was trying to say. Oh Well, he's right. Yeah That's my knowledge is yeah, I just because he's low energy, right? I was he just got a Just wait there at him damn That does help it at least like we still get a sense that he's very sluggish and like he's wheezing as well Yeah Now we've split the two up Joel's got to defend himself here and go Like where are they gonna meet? Are they gonna meet this episode? I curiosity rags. Does is anything in your head playing out in terms of what you're expecting to happen? Not really. I think a whole bunch of stuff could happen. So It's fascinating sort of dynamic because three of us know exactly what's coming and it's it's a relatively famous part of the game Did you not play the first game rags or not finish it or not this far now? Oh, okay Did you hear he said the others want to kill you? Yeah, but I stopped them Why don't we just start with your name? Interesting name this is a person who desperately wants to manipulate people but just has no job Not happen or at least not for Ellie anyway that part of your life it's ending And what I'm offering you is a beginning if you can't find a way to trust me then yes, you are alone It's funny. You mean I can be alone without you awesome He's got a different face and voice to the david from the game, but they have captured the Important part so to speak. Well, uh david in the game was played by Nolan north. So, yeah Definitely different different voice. Well, no, Nolan north has like pretty crazy. How do you hold their neighbor? Timothy, okay Nolan does Nathan drake and not charted for people who don't know and desmond in uh Assassin's creed and penguin and oh, sorry. That's new. Yeah, I hate to say it, but that's an improvement We're getting punished Joel here Joel Joel gets jumped by two people and then sort of wins the fight in the game Here he is have a trap which I prefer. Oh, here we go Here we go Leave him alone. Oh you next Please I don't know any girl He can't help you you focus right here We're all pumping your fucking kneecap off. I like that Pedro's playing this still a bit delirious like uh He was more put put together in the game a bit more at this point. Where? Oh, that's sound what the fuck Oh jeez You want your kneecaps that's a thing. It's not a real town name. It's a resort a resort Oh You're gonna point to where we are and where your resort is it'll be the exact same spot your buddy points to I'm gonna mark it with the blood. Hopefully wipes the blood off for the next guy I feel like you should remember how this goes. Well, don't you rags? John will tell you Yeah, because you're right No, you wouldn't need to worry about that if he was gonna check Jesus No Oh, right. Yeah, you're right. Oh, I forgot about that part of it Like it's it's a clever thing like, you know, he's already laid the threat So as far as he's concerned, you'll probably get the truth out of him first try And then of course it just shows like this is Joel this Joel is scary Yeah, Joel gets Joel gets results when you want some Yeah, when you were opposed to him when you're threatening people he cares about he is terrifying He's bringing back his old smuggler of brutality. Oh my god I just realized too like I'm so tired of torture scenes and tv shows being like we're gonna We're gonna shave off a bit of your fingernail. We might just pull it out He was like, I'm gonna take off your kneecap. Yeah, like yes get to the fucking point take something they want Ew, right there's an ear on the floor What it's worth, this is just deer meat, I swear Oh gee I trust you I'd rather not Well, these are just one-to-one lines from the game. What is it? It's deer Is some human helping on the side? No, I have my promise. It's just the deer meat So now what? You're gonna chop me up into tiny pieces I'd rather not I taste terrible. I'm all stringy Right now. I gotta go clean it up by the ear and everything. It's getting in the ear. Ew specifically by the ear But I would have told you I would have told you we're so yummy I love he says that like a point of trust. I would have told you Sorry, sorry, we shouldn't have left that ear behind Wait if you're eating people, why would you take the ear off? But what was I supposed to do? Let them starve these people who put their lives in my hands Who expect me to keep them safe who love me? It's a weird thing to say that lost bit. I don't think your friend would either Didn't he take another man's life to save yours? He was defending himself He was defending you No, he was defending himself. Both of those could be true simultaneously. You see a lot So do I And you know what I see when I look at you that's the ears I'll see two ears me those delicious ears me your natural leader. You're smart Loyal violent. He's trying to butter her up. Yes, not like that, but I mean like, you know Put that knife in your hand You'd stick me in a second I think everybody would man violent heart And I should hurt violent hands violent ears. You feel like these lines specifically set up Could be Well, they are but it's specifically the you're a violent person That because we haven't seen much of that obviously at this point in the like in ellie's story What does cordyceps do is it evil? No, it feeds and protects its children and it secures its future with violence if it must It loves it loves cordyceps loves Okay, I'm you're losing me here. They need god They need heaven. They need he doesn't believe in these things They need a father you'll be on that. I'm a shepherd surrounded by sheep and all I want Is an equal I can tell the others to stop looking for him He can't tell them anymore They'll spare him. I'd be more talking at them than to them at this point, but yes If he leaves us in peace, they will just let him go Is that the offer here like to let him go and you know, I'll join you if you let him go or something like that It does seem like that. It's like join me and I will spare your friend But they would kill him anyway. Joe wasn't he's like legit trying to offer her like queen status, huh? essentially, yeah I slapped the other prospect so she doesn't like me anymore We'd make this place perfect Like the game did do this as well But this they've been alluding to something and they're gonna get more over it with it before this ends, I'd imagine right Imagine the life we could give them Imagine the life we could build Oh cunt stupid little girl making it very difficult to keep you alive. Let's see what I go tell the others now Where am I supposed to tell the others now? Ellie Ellie What tell them that Ellie is the little girl I broke your fucking finger Tell them that Ellie is a little girl who broke your fucking finger How did you put it? Tiny pieces How did you put it? Hmm? Tiny little pieces You little cunt Hey language That's a bad word very close to the game this long pretty close I was wondering if she like go along with it for longer No, Ellie is uh, no, she's uh, she's feisty one. Yeah Man, he is really struggling, isn't he? Yeah Oh look, it's blued blued in the snoo That'd be from the deer I suppose I like that in the show. He's playing this like in an impaired way Like in the game as soon as you play as Joel you as a player get the sense like, okay He's a hundred percent now. You know what I mean? Like I can move around He's pretty normal. Yeah. Yeah. He's definitely having to yeah. He's a little haggard here plus Oh Do you find this in the game? This isn't real. That looks pretty I'm immune Oh you killed the one that was maybe Oh Interesting. Hey you got one though. Yes, this once won the game as well And and it's just as lucky as the game like it's this is a bit of plot armor there you could say And also, yeah, we're already in the uh in the restaurant. Goodbye Joel and aid. Yeah You think that there'd be some cutlery in that kitchen? Yeah, interesting choice of weapon Ellie Oh, yeah, well here's a stick Oh, we're already in the restaurant. Wow Well, because they're not going to do like some crazy encounters with like oh, no What an incredibly inconvenient thing to have just occurred. I feel like he maybe pulled the kid down before it got to that level But I guess I would have pulled it down fast. He's he's sort of He's like keeping an eye on it like It's just fire He's just also like in between. Do I deal with this or do I? All right. Well, that's why he's getting awfully big. He has that fire is burning quick. Yeah. Yeah He's even doing the evil man thing where he's like, I'm gonna get you I there's no way out. He's monologuing What does start the fire in the game because I don't think it's that like a stick No one that's infected fights this hard to stay alive No one infected fights this hard to stay alive. It's an interesting line I think there's how did you do it things to be drawn from that line? No one likes being humile You don't know how Geez man. Like that's some copium right there. I could have given you You see I changed my mind I don't believe you So I'm just keep you Oh, don't yell as you're going towards him. Don't do that I knew you had a heart. You know, it's okay to give up Ain't no shame in it. It's not your style is it Try begging. I thought you already knew The fighting is the part I like the most There's no fear in love Look, it's me. It's okay, baby girl. It seems like the it would be between this and five for best I think that was really great. Yeah, that's what comes to mind for me. Either this one or five I think is the best These two episodes are the ones that deliver them like thus far the most important payoffs in the narrative I mean, obviously for ellie in particular. That's like a really that's a really critical moment and hopefully At this point people have sort of abandoned the bella ramsey can't act like angle I I don't get it anymore. I haven't gotten particularly uh I would say it's as far as haunting the uh chopping someone up to stop not only your own murder, but rape as well And uh, the look in her eyes as she uh, as she leaves the place as well It's that thousand-yard stare and then of course the panic and then sort of you know It's just sort of calming down when she realizes that it's joe It's at this point bella ramsey's had several you could say tests essentially of like how um, like in terms of performance Um and every single time like with these major moments. Yeah, it's just like another another great Uh, bit of acting as well as all of the good acting throughout the whole episode Uh, we said a bit further back. Well, at least I said about this episode. They've got their blueprint They used it and uh, the thing to nail was obviously correcting up all of the ways that everything comes together because the timing is Is just everything's slightly different different things are faster different things are slower and you've got to give us performances The same uh, it's a lot of the same beats this episode in particular felt to me Like the most clear and apparent parallels between the game and the show There are obviously some deviations between like kind of how david comes across He's a little bit different But it's still like a lot of it's the same and and the like structure of the group And some of the dynamics that we're seemingly coming through. Yeah, they give us some game is a lot more overtly evil the pieces of this David David is reprehensible in both. Yeah, he's a son of a bitch like the The community here seem to have been I like thinking about all these different groups that we've come across This one seems like they were they were good people here But they've they've become so complacent that it's just like anyone they come across enters the meat grinder essentially Yeah, they've been destroyed by uh By this this world david's made them rely on him He's like they've all become like weak scared and and you can tell he's probably chanting to them again and again Like you need me. I get you the stuff you need like, you know that kind of person How much autonomy do any of these people even seemingly have they all seem to be completely under his heel? Yeah, uh Which I wonder how long it would have lasted necessarily. I wonder if uh, the more he did what he wanted to with Little girls the more that they chopped people up to for feed. I wonder if they would have overthrown him eventually I mean with how they were after, uh, they shot the horse. I mean it looks like they were really getting kind of Mutinous, you know, you can imagine it might not take him long for him anyway Well, yeah, and I'm just I'm really interested by that whole like They were almost about to execute it But he stops them like and I just assume it's because they know what she's gonna happen to her Yeah, it all it all lines up doesn't it like and and then the the daughter of the person got killed as well Like it's kind of an implication there too. Well, yeah the fact he said like you terrified of him She's scared of him. Well, didn't wasn't he saying something like, you know, you think you've lost your father But you know essentially like I can I can be him for you, which you know what that means considering all the context we've gotten Yeah, yeah, he's uh He's another pretty strong villain and just a showcase because we're so far into the story now of what's left of humanity That's what I see this story being You know about in a lot of ways with a lot of things like Ellie's getting a full Sort of taste of all these different kinds of people getting to the point that it might Make her believe that a lot of these these horrible sides of humanity can be saved If only they can be taken out of this environment with like a cure or something like that when Perhaps in reality, this is more so just a realization of the the kinds of people that survive in this environment A whole cavalcade of different personalities and all of them brought to their wit's end Thanks to this scenario and what what does humanity look like at that point and her own humanity getting Hardcore stripped away. I've always found it just as meaningful as a concept back when it was presented in the game But here as well just that Joel knows How much this is going to have affected her sort of thing He'd know himself what it would have been like and the fact that especially in this show They focused a bit on uh, how tommy wanted to abandon him because of the things that he had to do and uh All the people they've lost just there's a lot of stuff feeding into I think this moment is one of the biggest obviously for the season Uh that that rely on everything else we've known the fact that he calls her baby girl Obviously the last time we heard him say that was with sara as she was dying This is like a crystallization of Everything that ellie means to him and what their relationship is and and how important that is Considering everything else that's happened, right? Like all these different people that have come in and out of joe's life and all the actions He's had to take all the humanity that's been stripped away from him. She's a big reason He can have access to things that he thought were lost He thought like a lot of this was over and of course it's bringing him back to a very very vulnerable place That's what uh, he talks about with tommy In both the game and the show It's what we saw playing out with henry and sam even though of course how this story ended You know frank and bill having gone the whole way in terms of taking care of each other relying on each other and This story's ending together test was another failed sort of thread in joe's life And this this we were inches away from joe losing her all over again right after she had You know put everything on the line to save him And so he catches her in this turmoil where she's had to shred someone who's been that much of a threat to her Something that he would have wanted to prevent and protect her from so yeah It's honestly it's hard to summarize everything that's happening. Uh in these moments We were talking about earlier like uh, if we'd had everything longer in this show up to this point I think this probably would have hit harder But to be honest with you, I think they've they did everything they needed to do in this episode I can't really fault them that hard Outside of a couple of tweaks I may have made like in terms of just some stretches here and there this episode by comparison if episode seven was thin this episode is very dense Yeah, we've seen it'll dense with information about the characters That's like no scene that is superfluous in this episode like every single scene is essential It was one episode to set up an entire enemy faction and an enemy leader And then yeah, and then to have that all come to a conclusion that feeds into the story of these Of these characters about main duo Yeah, it was all very tight and then when we got to the part with the restaurant I felt like we're moving really quickly here, but then I checked the runtime and I'm like, oh no We're about like 45 minutes in here. I guess this is this pacing works for this episode I think there would be more time at the end, but yeah They skipped like combat to just go straight to the like david conclusion essentially because in the game there's a Like a decently large stretch of ellie gameplay, but I mean, yeah, that's this was hard to it's hard to justify that You know really like in terms of her killing like 15 people before encountering david What's clearly been cut and replaced is a lot of gameplay for both joel and ellie of killing people And it's good. It's definitely get the point joel is still forced to be reckoned with even when he's in a bit of a Incapacitated state. Yeah, I was very happy with how they adapted that scene as well. Yeah The game does a thing where it makes it feel a lot longer where you like it Kind of shows you ellie side of it and it plays it all the way up to like the restaurant bit And then it plays you as it puts you as joel, but then it kind of rewinds time a bit Yeah, and it shows you like it's quite an elongated sequence of him going into the town and then Maneuvering through the town to eventually get to the restaurant and then it catches up with where you saw Ellie in the restaurant felt quick to me this episode But I can't like you were saying malar. I can't fault it for like it accomplished everything that it needed to And it was quite tightly bound the whole thing from joel's pov, right? Like he was sure he was dead He knows that she took care of him and then he finds out that she's been taken And what does he see when he like first gets there is a bunch of bodies hanging there Yeah, like and then he finds who a burning building and she's covered in blood It's just yeah, it's really solid stuff for the characters Not a word. I mean, obviously they do speak to each other, but they don't you know, like they're both It's just they're both there for each other and so they're together again, and they can leave this place and move forward One of the comments that we talked about um earlier was in regards to the presence of the infected And there were no How interesting is that like I don't need them, but I like them Like they're a unique element that's not on anything else And it would be really nice to see that element in this show because as much as like the joel and le stuff is really good It would be nice to have the unique parts of the last of us kind of being more present So what happens in the game when she meets up with uh, David at first is that they sit in there talking and then they hear an infected practically just runs into the room It's just like wow and then david shoots it with his pistol and she's like what the fuck you had a gun the whole time And he's like yeah, I did like because you know and just and then they defend the area Together for about 10 minutes or so from a horde of just a horde of infected just arrive You know, what's funny is this show has the opportunity to you know She shoots the deer and then it you know pans off to the side and it shows an infected there It's been alerted and then through the the network It's attached to it brings several and that david and ellie have to defend themselves from let's say six Something like that we could have that scene but at the same time, you know, I just want to be honest It's like we didn't lose anything in terms of character By not having that it was just something that may have been fun because like uh, She just never trusts david from the get-go. She seems to and is similar in the game I think ellie just just something something doesn't feel right and I guess the audience would have a similar experience with this man He's just and uh, you know, I think we can do without it. It's not a big deal I mean definitely the the game was trying to do a thing where it's like, oh, maybe david isn't such a bad guy Oh, maybe david can help me and joel like from ellie's perspective and then it's like, oh David followed us back followed my footprints. Now. I know he's a bad dude Whereas in this it's just like ellie always suspects the worst of him And I don't think anything is lost there that little beat missing I quite like the character. Uh, Troy Baker was playing to be honest with you The little we got of him seemed like a very conflicted man who's had to do a lot of horrible things He kept doing them and it led to his destruction with the burning building and everything sort of being their meeting place that people should have come To investigate and joel wouldn't be able to just walk away slowly I think it's a close one that the fire would have alerted people right around the time. They're probably leaving Yeah, I don't see any potential issue, but I think if you outside as well It seems there's a bit of a a bit of a smoke screen not a literal smoke You know metaphorically speaking with the snow and the the cold that might take a little longer for people to notice the fire Yeah, I think I would have liked a little bit like a tiny bit at least of like joel Having to make his way through a few like hostile people in the village If I could be honest with you on to the restaurant If this episode could have been two hours long and we just every conversation's extended and we have a couple more Interactions and and we have the infected. I know for a fact that I'd enjoy it. I'd be like, yeah Let's do it. Yeah. So I wouldn't I wouldn't be uh against more episodes. Yeah, if it meant I was just about to say Yeah, I think that's it that um the biggest problem the show Has is that it didn't have enough time to breathe You're adapting a pretty lengthy game the game is fairly long So adapting it into a season of television. It's like, yeah, you might end up uh having to shave some stuff Well, I mean they have they've definitely had to shave things down like all of the core critical moments are there for sure And like the broad sections of the game are there, but there's definitely, you know, things that are lost in the interim Yeah, the town did feel a bit empty in this episode Contrasting with the beginning of the episode where it did establish a sense of community more so than we had the two Significant scenes of the community in that in that place, but obviously they'd gathered there I guess they were in their respective houses or they're out looking for deer potentially I don't really know but I think I gotta it does feel like maybe it would have been neat to have had one or two Sort of onlookers being like, oh god, what the fuck is it? Oh, jeez just to make it feel like it's more Community tighten it See it came across to me that that's the point of this guy is that he's kept everyone very close and very dependent on him Yeah, but uh very solid. I think yeah, I really I would I like I like five more. I think I prefer five, but I think this is number two Five is such a complete package. I wouldn't even criticize it pacing wise this one This it could have maybe used a bit more but Still really are really critical and important character work for particularly ellie. Yes I would say that it it really goes to show how Excellent it feels in a show to have people at real places Proper snow everywhere. They're out in the cold everything. It's it's very real. The show is extremely They really they really are winning some awards for production like if the production should be That should be getting some kind of award at the Emmys. Yeah, they got great locations. Nothing feels like a set, you know Yeah, uh, you feel like they're really there doing the thing Uh, and you you really buy into it 100 percent all the you know the prosthetics and everything look good That's the thing we have to point out now because you know, even you know, disney with disney money Still green screens the woods so it makes you appreciate, you know the right proper real deal I just love the fact that volume was supposed to be their uh, their cheat But even people are still like no, I can see it. I can tell This fake ass shit That ain't no real woods. That's from that's one of them. They're fakey wood hard to get a real tree these days Okay. Yeah, you can't just go out and You can't just go out into the woods and film for free. I don't let you do that no more No, I should do that that tree is not signed a waiver. Ain't it crazy though? Everything rides on next episode Yeah, one more nine the finale is kind of make or break one more and it's not going to be a two-parter It's going to be the episode. So is it going to be same link as the rest or as far as I know It's your standards. This has been like 40 to 50 minutes except for the premiere, right, of course Yeah, and it's possible to tell the rest of the story so to speak in that amount of time just, um Every line every action it will be scrutinized and will nightmares be brought to life Who knows are you concerned that they might be pressed for time with this next episode? You're quite familiar with the ending of the last was one rex. It came up so much when we talked about last was two Yeah, yeah, it's the concert of uh, just how evil will they make joe's decision because everyone thinks that they're gonna make In the bad guy Well, it's just the the differences the last of us Originally, there's no way that they were writing that with like clear ideas of what the sequel was going to be because the sequel's like Seven years removed and of course the recontextualization of a lot of you know the changes that were made into To kind of like change it into the story that they needed it to be but they couldn't do it This time around two already exists and they're making it for this show and they probably knew they were getting a second season So it's it's it's like it's surely going to be different from the game Like surely well, I think they didn't know they were going to get a second season until after season one was in the can Yeah, but you can edit season one To end and also set up season two. Sure. So that's in terms of rewriting it. Yeah, even if they didn't get their second one It's like, whoa, you could plant the seeds Uh in a way that the first game simply doesn't yeah, what what I don't want to see Is that the fireflies follow through on their deal that they're really friendly that the science shows that it's an absolute guarantee that Ellie understands that and that she agrees and that uh She finds that's gonna kill her and that she's on board with that in in exchange for something that the fireflies have already shown They can absolutely disseminate to the world which would be absurd, you know I mean just knocking out all of the arguments and then being like all right bye Joel and then he goes You know what? No, I like it too much and just machine guns down every it is seduct Just like Please don't do that guns down hordes of zebras herds of them in order to get to all the doctors Yeah, well, and that's the other thing right all eyes will be on the the main doctor Hold that sir is like are you they gonna be set up last was to they're gonna be like hello, mr. Sir We're all very nice friendly people here. You wouldn't kill us, would you could you imagine if the uh If we actually had a cold open and it was him with the zebra could you Christ This is what I mean like it'll depend on who writes it. I mean our weakest episode was neil alone Well, I'm hoping that they can go through a craig masin filter and he can be like, oh no No, we wouldn't do it that way. We wouldn't just we wouldn't just show him saving a zebra and then be like look how nice This man is Yeah, it'll be like a whole it'll be like a herd of puppies not to say of course the right has been perfect It's just that yeah, there's just so many mistakes that can be evaded and uh, I just I don't know what's gonna happen All bets are off genuinely. I don't know what they're gonna do exactly Because remember neil was a big part of this production. And so he knows yes He knew when making this when he was dealing with it. He knew on set. He was like, all right here comes the seed Hopefully hopefully drag was there going to rub in his hands together like No, no, they hated it. They hated it so much like, you know what the lot It's like, what'd you think about the last of us too? Neil asked to me. He's like, um, you know Like You know what a movie anyway, man your ideas about the cycles of violence. They're just so true violence begets violence You know, and he's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but what do you think of the game? But I have some notes On that he's like, we're gonna have to change it when we adapted for tv. You know that he's like, yeah I'm just wondering it because there was that line when Dave was like, oh, you're violent The impression I get is that is a line that they're specifically trying to set up like To that's what I get from that line Is it trying to say, you know, ellie is capable of of uh, of causing great harm potentially That that's they're trying to set that up as a seed So I feel like it's safe to assume that if we are getting the last of us too in season two Which we are it's still going to be like the core It's just it's going to be the same broad story So it's a matter of what changes are you going to make to that story? Or alternatively what changes are you going to make here to make that more coherent because I think you know That I think they got it They know they have to change a lot so that people do not turn the fuck on this show They still haven't paid off the fact that she can't swim and that's gonna So she's not going to be able to swim and and it's going to cause a problem in the next episode That'll lead to her getting knocked out on an island Surely which means I think I think the the the odds are high that she'll be unconscious for the decision It's at least somewhat of course. You can change it so that she's unconscious saved and then conscious Is like, you know, you could just do it like that, but no, but why go to that effort? You know like why put that in there instead of just leaving it out So it makes me think like surely she'll be unconscious and then I was like Surely the fireflies will welch on the deal and boot Joel out Are they really going to change that and if you have those two in there we're golden I think did they set up in the show the fact that she can't swim? Yes, I can't remember that I will play the clip now. I don't know how to swim. Seriously We can we have pools in the fusee? No smart ass Yep, there it is. Yeah, that's an important setup for one of my favorite beats and at the end of this story like in the game where Joel falls under the bus and it's like, oh my god, we're right at the end And it's like Joel was falling into this trap where it's like, oh god It could all end here very grimly and it's really scary with all the like water flowing into the bus And he's like pinned at the end of it. He's like, oh fuck I I really like that part in the well, they got what like 50ish minutes or so to tell that that selection of the game So we'll see what they choose. I imagine we'll see Ali reacting to giraffes. We got to do that, right? Yeah, I think they will do that for the giraffe for sure. I hope they don't look bad I hope so too. Unless they spring for real giraffes do it. They could but if they get actual giraffes from africa If they ship them over if they fly them through if they send them by train and they'll get their heads up poking up Madagascar when they're all stuck in the crates like it's shipped over. Yeah. Yeah, and he's all bent up into pretzel and everything They will be like Jurassic Park where it's what do you call it like an animatronic thing like a big robot giraffe Well, they just have a sock puppet like a guy Yeah With the googly eyes on it They use force perspective to make it look like the sock puppet is just a giraffe really far away. Yeah I'm a giraffe. I'm just here going on my adventure through the city. Holy talk It's like I'm watching you giraffe and the giraffe's like I'm watching you you piece of shit. Oh my goodness. This is a foul mouth giraffe Down here and say that's my face I don't mess with that guy who's ate my zebra friend over there and it's a zebra sock Please Imagine there's a scene in the next episode where it's like it's like everyone's shaking hands and introducing themselves and stuff And it's like just five flying. My lean is there and it's like then this girl walks up and shakes Joel's hand. She's like, I'm abby You're like, oh my god Yeah, you know the second I man. I wonder what they're gonna do for season two Because they know they know that people fucking hate last of his two-story and care. Just a little bit. Yeah Oh man, what are they gonna do? I'm so curious Is the question Imagine it was adapted one to one. John. You'll finally have to have the conversation with us about In the first episode like everyone will turn on the show instantly Yeah, it'll literally repeat the apocalypse for this ip. Why would you do that? I would imagine that there are some guys that had to be like look guys creative freedom. Yes. Yes, but But let me make a counter-argument to creative freedom Let's call this creative freedom asterisk Like guys spider-man got a war. They all saw better than it goes to sushi better than your game. All right We saw the numbers and we just have some notes. All right. I'd like to show you some comments from fans All this note says is no Oh, what are they gonna do in the finale fast? I hope that's it everything rides on it. I don't know I hope it's good, but I don't know what it looks like. I I legitimately don't know what to expect I have no clue until that folks Yeah, thanks for watching that was episode eight of the last of his tv show one left to go Goodbye everybody. See you next Bye everyone. See you next week What'd you bring me? We're finally here Yeah We've made it to the end of the season. Yes the long way it long feared Yeah, kind of the the subject of a lot of speculation finale of the last of us comment showcase usually relates to the previous episodes We'll do that and then we'll talk a little bit about our fears for this episode probably and what I'm expecting This is the what we could be lucky enough to get or very unlucky enough to get Yeah It's the final one It's really funny too because this is it. We're going over to the memes after this like in terms of maddo and gotham knights Just like yep. Goodbye. Good story back to just meme shows Shows going to sit back and relax and make fun of helmet man and Good old helmet man Hey ifap a doctor here. Oh, cool a fellow Usually Usually pedicillin is an Intermuscular injection mostly in the butt because there's a lot of muscle there But to be honest as long as it gets in the System it should work, but injecting it directly into the wound doesn't really help at all Hope this helps love you guys stuff. By the way, keep it up. Yeah, you bet I remember seeing the oh, yes Like first of all penicillin not Provenously and I was like, oh, okay. So it's that's probably why they had to do it that way in the show But I also read in the article just like this says not sure of the viability of putting it directly in the wound Depends on how deep it was and I because it looked like it was kind of over the the ribs a bit and there's Muscle in between the ribs and stuff. So I mean she'd stuck it in there I I assume it would work as long as it gets into the system It should work through muscular injection. My guess would be it doesn't matter where you put it It just gets in the system regardless like putting it in the wound doesn't make a difference That's kind of my reading. So she has to hit a muscle is the point. That seems to be the point. Okay. Yeah My specialty is plagues. Okay, not muscles David is keeping the non-human meat for himself and is also smirking at the girl hannah as she eats her father unknowingly This version of david is legit evil under the mask. It is great Well, uh, he oh, yeah, he's uh, he's horrible. They both are though I was gonna say they both It's just that we we don't get to see what david looks like In his group like operating as it does. Well, yeah, and you don't see game david feed anyone their father So because that's an interesting influence. I didn't think about that at all That would be assumedly true right because they he was cycled in I think there's a line at the beginning the observary says oh, we can't bury him because the ground's too cold and hard Like we'll have to wait. It's like, uh-huh. Yeah, he's uh, he's a real sinister piece of work Yeah, and that's hence the looks he's been given by his subordinates because they have to He has to have people to help him do all that shit and so they know right the only other person I know in fiction that did that is cartman I heard what scott tenomin. Yeah I call it mr. And mrs. Tenomin chili. Oh my god On my first watch, I didn't really appreciate how good a david's actor was but man He does an excellent job with his voice and expressions. Well done to him. He was fantastic I think he uh, he was very good. He struck quite a quite an impression on that Opening the second scene with him and ellie just chatting when the camera really Tightened up on him and you're just looking at it. It was like, uh, this doesn't feel right You you seem off by lad Um, but yeah, it's very good at nailing the bad vibes And yeah, I felt like um, they nailed everything that's important about david's with him the creepy boy So david and his cult have resorted to cannibalism because they can't find wild game But ellie who is four miles away finds a rabbit and deer within five minutes of going on her first hunt lull, okay It's the last of us two levels of worldbuilding These people do well because we like them those people do bad because we don't like them It's a big community lots to feed and they were running low on their stockpile of canned food The deer and rabbit would help but wasn't like the forest was shown teeming with them So who knows if they'd get lucky again david did also explain how he had to roam place to place before due to raiders He probably had to resort to it before convinced his more trusted guys Of the viability and now that one of his guys died figured he might as well not waste usable meat David is shown to have a weird mindset because of the outbreak that comment addresses the First thought I had when I read the the original one, which was there's a lot more people There's like 30 of them It's not necessarily a matter of not finding deer It's can you find enough meat to feed a whole town full of people and they do mention like they've been going for some time I'm not going to say how long because I don't actually know I think it may have been mentioned for potentially how long but how long does a deer feed like 30 people I would imagine that either the rations like what each person gets is minimal or it doesn't get very far Meanwhile, um, ali and joe probably could have lasted on one deer for for a little while You guys going to the internet the average ohio white tailed deer yields 52.2 pounds of venison and they do mention they had venison They had they'd have forms of meat and they mix in human with it to beef it up Well, that's a bad news about well I'm pretty sure that the guy if you're referring to the dude who walked in and said it's venison that pretty sure he was No, not that guy. I'm talking about the intro where he says how much do we have left venison? Yeah, grab it maybe a week to the best and also within five minutes of going on a first hunt We have no idea how long she was out there. That's also true. Actually. Yeah, but um I just I don't get it the fact is they are finding game But they're not they're not able to hunt enough And then the whole like these people do well because we like them these people do bad because we don't like them I don't even know what that means because you could make characters that I could respect that have resulted to cannibalism Um, it's possible. It's gonna be real tough But there are stories where that is basically the only thing you can do to stay alive And it doesn't necessarily involve killing your own team It's just making taking advantage of if anyone dies depending on how you spread out the servings a deer will go a long way But yeah, when you got 30 people and especially because there was that part where she got this uh, Can slid and they said there's only like five left or something Only five more left When you can't add things to the meat you're gonna have to have more meat to compensate So and you know, it's not that they all went evil It's that uh, David's the one that's pushing them and he himself has got a hell of a lot more Wrong with him beyond just cannibalism as much as his role was small. Troy Baker killed it You can see the uneasiness in his eyes and the hesitation he has when dealing with David He is clearly his own person. He displays the character very well. I felt uh, he did an excellent job Yeah, just coming across the guy who's got many years of uh, weight on him a lot of pain on him basically He looks really sad. He looks really sad all the time, uh, and it's sold through the performance It feels cool when voice actors get uh live action roles and do well with them Well, yeah, I was just gonna say like he clearly demonstrated his capacity for emotional control doing the voice in the game So it doesn't surprise me that he well voice and performance as well Uh for motion capture. Oh mo cap right, of course. Yeah I found it super bizarre that the rest of the residents just kind of disappear after ellie breaks free and no one bothers to Help david out or even assist that being said I still found the episode incredibly enjoyable But I'm nervously anticipating episode nine's potential changes I feel this episode suffers from being a video game adaptation and the game Joel has to face a lot of enemies to arrive where ellie is Here he just shows up in the middle of this town with no obstacles The fact that no member of the community is around to notice him and ellie hugging in the middle of the street Was kind of meh and the fact that no one notices the building is uh being on fire dot dot dot Kind of hard to believe i'm in love with the acting though This one's interesting because we did kind of talk about it Apparently this town isn't in like this this building isn't in the center of town And there is a I don't know if I can call it a minor blizzard happening and this all happens pretty fast And so it's like so with those variables you can Wipe out at least a few of the onlookers that may turn up But I am in the camp probably be inside anyway trying to keep warm if you're not doing anything Then you might just be sitting around inside hanging out and the building did burn from the inside out Which might take a while. Oh, and I don't think anyone should have seen ellie and uh him hugging They were on the out out at the end of the building away from the town I think the more relevant point would be that it seems like a bit of a missed opportunity to not have Some sort of reaction from a few residents in the town because wouldn't it be interesting if some people saw it and turn Their back on it and left because they knew that david was there and I don't know about that because the fire is Is a big danger to everybody Actually, I guess more so that at the very least getting the reactions of the town could be interesting I'm trying to think of how I might try and implement it It's certainly getting reactions people looking out and being like, oh no that sort of thing and and you know Like oh shit, what do we do with panicking? But maybe one or two guys heading in with guns that joel manages to see ahead Avoid in terms of them seeing him and then he hits on the back of the head with the pipes style stuff Maybe yeah, I think I think you could do that. I think that would work so I think The impression I get in terms of the feeling of bizarreness is that there is a David has a pretty definitive end, but like that community that don't really have an ending We don't really see what the resolution is for that community Which I don't know that we necessarily need to but it almost seems especially this seems to be innocent people there Yeah, like they all seem to be being compromised by david I think very few of them know about the eating humans thing Well, and then there's you know the people in the community who have been directly victimized by him as well Yeah, we just don't know I guess the story is not really about them But they were in the story a couple times There is this element that a number of them wanted to protect people from david But they couldn't muster up enough courage to just shoot him and kill him So I kind of agree. I think that is a bit of a weaker part to the episode. That's all I think someone in the chat for your last premiere said that joel killed everyone on his way to the restaurant Excuse the Show but but it would be faithful to game joel because that's what he would do is kill fucking everybody Going through each house. There's like a little kid playing with toys. He's like die. You're part of the problem kid I guess it's interesting the second comment highlights the difference of the video game adaptation because we've seen it throughout the season You just have less like violent encounters in the show because justifying Beyond a gameplay context like the body count of the last of us the game is going to be real hard in like If you're making a call of duty video game or something like that Like the idea that this one soldier kills hundreds of the enemy with small arms is just like that just doesn't happen really Yeah, the encounters are a lot smaller and there are less of them. And so having joel or ellie Having counters like they had during the winter section of like mowing through 50 people respectively Like yeah, it was never gonna happen to address the obvious response to that. Wow So you've made it either we get none or all it's like no no no just All right, I mean that would be a very interesting conclusion to draw from what I said Guarantee you someone's saying it Okay, obviously a healthy balance would have been neat and we've talked I think last episode about how we would have liked more encounters as well It would have been nice to spread everything out a bit more I I'm honestly on the point of saying like I think double the size of the entire show probably would have been I could have gone for more episodes. Yeah, me too. One of my favorite moments in the game isn't a cut scene It's when henry's about to bail on joel on the bus and ellie jumps back down We stay together and joel stops dead in his tracks looking at her thinking the same thing I am Oh, shit She's built different and it's all animated into the gameplay. Um, it's a shame. We didn't mention this in episode Five, I think this doesn't show up in this in the show But it doesn't a game But there is something that shows up in the show that doesn't show up in the game that feels like Possibly they change those just just mentioned and in fact play the clip future me. Okay, we gotta get him up I'm sorry We're leaving what what's this bullshit? Hey now what the fuck henry? We stick together There it is beautiful That's the game vision in the show There is no moment where henry and sam have a chance to you know risk their lives to help joel and ellie up on a bus and get out of there and they instead opt to Leave them instead They have a moment where ellie falls in front of the incoming Kansas city people and henry runs out grabs her and gets her to safety and joel sees it and I always thought like oh That's an interesting because that that's kind of similar to what happens in the game except they've gone the other direction And I think the point of that is to inform later when ellie is free and clear and joel has her covered She looks over at henry and sam and then she looks up at him and then back at them And then he makes an expression of like Fine, and I always got the impression that that's joel saying like after what henry and sam have done Yes, we will try and save them It seems to me like that's a different beat that they've ran with instead of This one from the game, which you know, I really like this game one as well The only thing I don't like in the game at this section is how henry saves them If you remember they jump off a bridge and they're in the water And then I think joel gets knocked out in like rapids essentially and then we we just wake up And it's like yeah, henry saved both of you and it's like how the fuck did henry save you both? One of you can't swim one of you was knocked out at a very big man Like to the idea that he jumped in grabbed you both and swam you to safety very hard to believe But um, no, I I agree I I think this it would have been cool to have kept this moment If the worry was that it takes away from sam and henry being sympathetic I'd be like you don't have to worry about that This is a very normal thing that they do in the game You know like a normal human reaction and they do apologize for it later It's like a sorry we panicked sort of thing I do like that bit on the beach that immediately follows that where like joel pulls a gun on him And it's like you fucker you left me behind Hey, you know, you would have done the same thing if you were in my position with heli and it's like Fuck all right. I guess yeah, you're right that work together. That whole conversation is really good too Yeah, this is what I mean if you made the whole show longer We could have had all of these bits and all of the new additions and fleshed out just bits that needed it The spores not being in the show really hamstrings a lot of season two last of us two stuff Which is already super weak the cures relevancy is because of the spores as the crew talked about how rare being bitten And surviving the attack so the cure wouldn't matter much in the show because the show doesn't have spores The last of us two stuff really needs a cure the cure to be a viable thing They can't really portray what joel does is something bad since the cure already has super niche usage in the show While ellie's desire to be sacrificed for a cure would be stupid since even surviving an attack from a zombie is rare All in all I think the lack of spores really really hinders the story of the last of us So I agree with everything you just said if the ending of that was really hinders the story of the last of us two I yes, this doesn't hinder the story of the last of us at all That's actually why I think season two is going to suffer because it looks like they're going to make similar mistakes If this world does not really get changed by a cure we've gone over this Yeah, and that's assuming in the games the spores being an element which is more Contagious than physically having to be bit by it. Yeah, well We talked about getting cancelled out was the spores. I think we were like, yeah, it'll make it so you can walk through spores That's all none of them in the show Getting infected infected is it's not going to help you the main concern with infected is getting killed Not getting infected whereas just encountering spores you breathe in and it's like, well, that's it for you Whereas in this the only option is infection basically through like contact with infected But I mean regardless the same issue still persists in terms of the logistics of disseminating a cure And then whether or not the fireflies would even do it and then of course Just all of the ways that the fireflies treat joel badly when he gets there Joel must have unlocked the passive skill that increases his strength when in critical health It's called adrenaline with that injury. He would have been more likely to be in shock So why don't we have a chat about joel's health? Is it viable all the stuff that he does with the wound he has? Yeah, I mean, what does he do that the wound would prevent him from being able to do The most physical thing he does is stab a guy from behind and basically just hold on hold the knife there And that is clearly something that he you know labors through doing Of course if he was to shoot people that wouldn't have mattered, but we don't see him shooting people We don't see how he takes out the second guy the third guy He sneaks up on and hits with a butt of a rifle I think probably the most he'd like to conclude that he's been ambushing them Which is something I really like that they did I actually I guess the most labor-intensive thing that he does is drag those two guys to tie him up Probably in the average offscreen I don't know how this these commenters feel, but I can't imagine they're saying this doesn't apply to game joel as well I would hope so because game joel I mean the injury that he's the rebarth room is really bad And as if I remember correctly joel was in a more or less the same state Like during the winter section in the game as he was in the show being like lying there barely Oh, yeah, that's the day he wakes up, right? Yeah, I think so so like if anything I appreciate the show going to greater lengths to show that he's struggling As to whether or not I can fully believe every action he takes It's like I think they've done a lot to show how limited he is compared to normal So I appreciate that as whether or not I know it to be possible what he's doing So like I guess I I can't know for sure I don't know I appreciate the details they added to make it seem like it was difficult Like when he executes that first one in the torture scene He like almost lays on him like he puts the knife in and he's like laying on him and the chair struggling to get back up Which I like that as well. Like yeah, this is tough stuff game joel, of course Yeah, he gets around that town. He kills a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah, and I I'm mostly okay with both of them game In her moment of rage fear and complete disillusionment joel rushes in to pull ellie back to remind her There is a really a safe place stopping her outburst of emotion and offering her comfort show Nobody comes to her. She wanders outside joel sneaks up on her triggering a fight response out of sheer panic Then comforts her aka why the game is better than a show by the mile It's a bit weird in the show how joel Just wordlessly grabs ellie from behind when he has an opportunity to call to her from a distance Compared to the game where he grabs her to stop her from further mutilating david's body And also says ellie stop. It's me at the same time my head cannon tells me That's because joel is a bit woozy in the head from his wound. That's not thinking uh clearly He seemed coherent enough when he was interrogating the two guys though I agree But maybe there's an argument for that joel wouldn't want to call out to her in case it brings more attention to them Then again when he grabs her I think ellie yells let go of me. So I don't think that's a great defense I would have had joel try a few more times to get her attention more discreetly before having to grab her ellie's just gone through a traumatic event Which is why she takes a bit to realize that is joel. Yes, he can control his own volume He cannot control hers. The argument still stands bit of whispered it joel likely saw her leave the birding building So my guess is he figured she might have a firearm and attack anybody who got close ellie has no reason to believe joel is up and moving and she might not recognize his voice in her hysteria So it's better to grab her than risk getting shot. Yeah, he should have called out. Hey ellie. You're the last of us So when we made the episode more epic ain't this interesting though? This the this whole back there's like talking about things I like it. This is this is what I asked for guys. So thank you Yeah, look at you guys talk about it. I think this is very interesting and um, I uh, I was when I saw the first comment I was like, oh actually. Hmm. Yeah, maybe that is kind of dumb and then I saw the response I was like, oh Okay, because this is the kind of thing. It's like your joel. You see the body You maybe even catch her leaving through the door Like you when you're when you've entered the building you see her leaving and you you walk forward You see davis body all the blood and then you're like, oh fuck You know, what do you do in that moment? What is the smart thing? And it's like go like call out to her like ellie ellie. I'm here ellie Or do you wait until you're close to her so that you can stop her from saying or doing anything That could risk you guys just I was like, I think I think I can see joel Deciding I should get right up to her and grab it before letting her know it's me. I can understand that choice Yeah, I wondered about that beat too But that the point that guy made about ellie possibly having a gun on her is or I think that's a good point What I'm thinking about is uh simply a matter of timing though in the game He gets there while that's happening and the show he gets there a little bit later, right? Like is yeah, so and in which case what would be the criticism that they chose a less potent way of doing it Well, so this is the big problem we come with with dramatic payoffs, right? It seems that it's built into all of this that it's just better to have him grab her during the killing But that means you don't get the payoff of her slowing down stopping and staring at the body That's right. They're different payoffs as for which one's better or worse. It's a little bit complicated I've always considered when you get to that level. I don't know that I can pick one I think they're both really good. I love the fact that catches her during but I also love the fact that she has to sit there Dealing with that. Yeah, he could have just come around the corner or we don't know exactly where he came from Or how much time he had to see her I think it's probably reasonable to say he should have at least, you know said quietly called out her name having ellie be on her own for a little bit means that she has to grapple with uh What's going through her head in that moment in a sense at almost it might be delivering her a little bit more Uh in exchange for losing a bit for joll maybe but as for which one's better or worse. I don't I don't know I think they're both great Like I don't take much issue with either and I said though if I was it's worse by a mile is a bit Perplexing. Yeah, that's that's quite a stretch You're not I don't think you're being fair or you haven't recognized the good payoff for the show did give And of course there's alternate ways to have done it in the show that they you know Of course could have done but didn't I mean there's nothing that would stop them from having You know like a close-up of ellie's face as she leaves the burning building and then we just hear ellie being said offscreen in joll's voice and we see we focus on just her expression as she hears joll saying ellie's name like there's there's tons of stuff you could have done but I mean you can only do one of them So what I want to talk about quick before we start up is just what is to be so scared of and it is pretty much That they make joll a definitive bad guy in his choice to save ellie now It probably should be said, you know the first response I think a lot of people would ask you if I was like wait, so you're saying you're not allowed to tell that story It's like um, no you can I think and we should be able to judge it for its own thing What I mean by that uh, we brought it before but joll basically everything is set and fine She you know ellie knows about it and she agrees the cure is very viable and they explain to him in great detail How they're going to give it out and how important this is and how many lives will be saved and let's make it the most extreme ellie may be crippled by it like mentally but she'll survive the surgery You know like imagine they even said that and then they were like and you can hang out with her You can let her know it's safe and you could be in the hospital And then he's like no fuck you and shoots everyone in the head and takes it That would be like the most extreme vision of this and we'd be like wow And then you know he admits like it's only because I just want you to be perfectly healthy and I hate the world so You know if they did that it's like so does that ruin the show then and I think I would probably make the argument I don't think that would be the joll that we've seen built up in the show I think that would be a little too out of character. Yep. I'm inclined to worry And so what's a more reasonable way it could go in a direction we don't want It's like well, I think her being conscious is something they could do I think the firefly is being reasonable and giving him what he earned by doing this mission and asking him to just You know be chill that that could be something they do I'm highlighting these as uh In comparison with the game where they don't do these things. Yeah, and then of course, uh, they say yes She is going to die from this and I'm sorry joll like, you know You're just gonna have to understand that and then he's like, uh-huh and then shoots them all I'd be like oh and I still think I might argue that's out of character What I'm hoping for is uh that a lot of it is maintained honestly I think keeping the game because I am familiar with the game's ending and I think keeping that vibe is the wise way to go The concern is now that we're post the last of us two being out We don't want quote unquote retroactively. Obviously, there's a different continuity We don't want them to poorly set up the last of us two essentially Well, so this is so interesting to think about because a lot of people like well Neil's gonna want to make the last of us two more coherent Therefore the ending of the last one is going to be fucked with this is assuming that Neil Druckman himself Believes that the last of us one is incongruent with the last of us two and he might not he may not and we can already tell him Yeah, we can all we can all believe that uh, he believes yes incongruent But whatever I will never I will never admit to that or it could literally be that he's like you're all nuts It works in which case if this just plays out largely in the same way as the game We may end up with the last of us season one being a really nice package Regardless of what comes in the second season We'll be able to go beyond saying there's a couple of episodes that are good We can say no season one the whole season is good and that it can remain that way Which would be nice and it's kind of we've seen some seeds throughout the season being planted I think for what they want to do in season two, but it doesn't seem like there's been anything very Substantial so far in this season that will directly tie into this finale I I'm not sure what I would latch on to for that, you know It seems like at this point the expectation and the want is for it to be as much like the game as uh as possible Yes, I feel like everything else in the season I don't I don't feel joel has been characterized differently enough to justify some kind of crazy ending I don't I don't feel like I agree If I think it would just feel weird, uh, because I think they are whether you like it or not I do think that they're doing a lot of work to make their relationship really good and to portray joel as a really Good guy in terms of you know, how he sees ellie especially, you know, this this is the last episode You know was the one of course that this doesn't sound stupid to say But the last episode was the last one we watched before this one, but this is the you know finale So the last chance they had to have an episode of their relationship ended very squarely in the these two are Super together. Yeah camp So to turn around from that and then kind of make him villainous or portray him in the wrong Would be an extremely strange creative decision to make What is particularly interesting though is that it would be sad to say that tv show joel is a bit softer than game joel Yeah, his default state. I think is more It's not they can both go punisher kill mode. Yes, I think just and in their Normal dealings. Yeah, he's a bit hence. They're going to have to I think irrelevant of the game have to justify joel killing people They need to have something happen that prompts him to do it So let's hope they do the longer the season has gone on I think the more that i'm coming to believe that the finale is going to be more like the game than at the beginning I think so too. I also believe so. I'm actually kind of hoping here that there's not much change at all Like the yeah, I want them to I really I'd like for this episode to be really good I want I want I want a nice complete good season of television here. Oh you guys ready. Yes 43 minute episode everybody all righty Last one Oh, we got a cold open back. Hey, yeah, we did all righty And it's likely for the very reason john highlighted in episode three or four that uh because it's going to be a time Ashley johnson. Yeah, that's the voice of ellie rg ellie. Yes And uh, yeah, this is obviously so far back in time that it's suitable to do a cold open for this This is the thing. I knew she was going to be pregnant because I saw a Promotional picture for it and so I knew she was going to be this so it's the idea here because I don't think we've talked about it But we can't now that ellie will be immune because His mother would have been bitten while she was pregnant. I don't know I know that there was a comic that uh was released alongside the original game That I think dealt with ellie's mom, but I haven't read it. That's interesting It's an interesting idea, right? You'd be like, oh because how many pregnant chicks are going to get bit by Zombies not killed and deliver their baby healthily. It's an idea. I noticed a a little firefly Thing painted on the water tower. So I'm guessing this is a firefly safe house Because you could say it's kind of like blade, right? Isn't the reason he's a half vampire because his mom was bitten while he was in a womb I think that's the story. I think that's right Sad uh because I don't think they've ever tried to justify why she's immune in the game So they I think you said they were sort of in the game I'm vasa. He's broken You find yourself a weapon Push out that baby. I don't know. Is that's what you want to do right now? I don't know if it might not be up to her Oh, it's the switchblade. That's kind of neat. I don't know if it's the same switchblade, but I assume it is Man, this is a real fun situation to be in huh then my day get any worse and then it starts raining Jesus The stress she didn't even know Yeah This sort of happened and there's the bite Yeah, cutting it that close. I think is the way you try and justify how the baby didn't turn into a uh Maybe breast milk after getting bit could be a part of it as well I don't think the character should do that though like they should know. Yeah, I suppose you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's true What a uh, what a set of emotions to clash together at the same time though. Oh, look Maybe also there's a ticking clock. I'm I'm dead like in a day. Well, what a performance She's got like three minutes to be at the show and she has to do that. Excellent. Yeah Because you know, we know her well from avengers 2012, of course Captain america saved my life Wherever any of them are I would just I think It's just funny. That's the only other thing I can reference. Uh, I think that she was uh, Ben 10's cousin in there's that yeah Ben 10 It's it's funny outside of ellie's voice acting. This is this is probably the most impressive thing i've seen her do It's just like good for you. Mm-hmm. I'm glad you know the meta element of ellie's voice actor giving birth to the character ellie in the show That's pretty symbolic. Well, it's just nice and brought voice actors back I saw someone say like how fucking insulting and detrimental to the whole ip that they had ellie kill the voice actor for Joel like that's so fucked up in the previous episode. It's like, oh, come on. He's playing the character He did it really well What a weird thing to read into it. I know Neil Druckman was behind the camera going Like calm down. Did they say this for tommy's voice actor? Probably but if you're gonna drop by the bloater We'll see our reactions. I was just like, hey Like I never saw that was his reaction to Neil Druckman. Oh written by both of them. Was it? Yes Okay, I was gonna say if you have a bad reaction to those things surely you'd have a good reaction to the Symbol isn't another marlene. Come on marlene. He's back. He's gonna be in a lot of this episode. I'd imagine well We haven't seen her since episode Was it just one just one? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right The infected broke through a gosh-down window. They're so uncivilized never use doors Point that at marlene with your finger on the trigger. Okay. I like her gun discipline Oh, she's got a Got a k bar. Is that like a cereal bar? Uh, yeah crumbs everywhere Do not eat in bed. Do not eat k bars guys. Do only eat outside So I guess we're still in the past. They're looking for the mother, right? Well, yeah, because this is gonna be the how does ali get to the fireflies of marlene because she's gonna be close to turning at this point Oh, damn. She was about to kill herself There you go That would be a lie And plus, I mean like if the baby turns like hopefully it won't kill anybody So you should be you should be okay. You ever see zack's lightest door to the dead rex? No This is a zombie baby How long have we known each other? You better fucking take this baby bitch. I'm gonna say you better fucking do it I wonder if being bit on the thigh would speed up the process because of how big the blood vessels are in your thigh Well, we saw the diagram basically the closer they had the quicker the infection Closer to the head I believe closer they had the quicker the infection. Yes. Yeah, that's what the page said Because yeah, none of this none of this is in the game But uh, I think it's a really additional marlene did say marlene did say that she knew ali's mom Or that she she knew her since she was a baby Well, and this is just another example of where the tv show can do some extra stuff Well, just giving this is just all things to help humanize marlene Also, yeah, ashley johnson for what five minutes excellent. Yeah very very good job And also marlene very good too. I just want a traumatic birth into this fucking world a yeah Welcome That was really cool. We are running out of time though. Yeah, you gotta get a move on episode We're already yeah, that's the thing that was that was pretty good 30 minutes remain Yeah, like that is that's not a lot of time. Yeah, like that was really good. Don't get me wrong But we have this portion of the game this portion of the game is a fair deal longer than 30 minutes. Yeah Do you hear me? Did you hear me? No What? Be ferroni chef boy rd Oh cool. No What? Look hospital This is where we get off. Have you ever played this? Boggle it's a work game If you want to beat me or something it would be this feel that breeze, huh? I'll tell you on a day like this. I just sit on my porch Pick away my sex tree Getting close Hospital that way maybe the one we're looking for Got it foggle boggle played this. Yes Boggle, what's wrong ellie? What's on your mind? I wonder you seem uncharacteristically not sarcastic Joel is uh Well, it is characteristic based on all of the development, but very uh warm and concerned But I very much like this and doing all the stuff before is going to help accentuate what's happening here She's thinking obviously about the end of the trip and what's just happened He on the other hand is trying to make her feel better. Yep. Good flip You trust her gives her the gun now doesn't even have to think about it I can you know give ellie a gun. They had a guitar in that rv It's all smashed up, but got me thinking. You know once we're done with this whole thing I'm gonna teach you how to play guitar Yeah, I reckon you'd really like that. I was thinking maybe I could teach you I bet you'd be great at it You want to learn how to play guitar? What do you say, huh? Ellie, I'm talking to you. Huh? Oh Yeah, sure. That sounds great Ellie Oh, yeah That'd be great Joel's so much more loquacious compared to how he was at the beginning. He's so open now. Yeah, I mean this girl saved his life So, yeah, they just been together many months now, you know I just think that's one of the bigger things that happened that changed stuff Obviously, she'd saved it before but the efforts she took to save it the second time was pretty insane. Yep. Yep It's like, yeah, it's it's that it's that life debt shit. We're just like, yeah, I trust you completely Like Jar Jar Binks owes um Qui-Gon Jinn a life debt Is it melancholic the fact that any reference to like his guitar things that'll happen after the events of this episode make me sad? Yeah, it does it makes me sad too because I'm worrying the very end of the last of us is Ellie having lost two of her fingers can't even play guitar anymore. God. I hate that ending Why because she actually gave up on the you know end of the cycle of violence and her reward was she still lost everything We'll talk about that some other day I was thinking we blast our way through that rubble. I found some dynamite in that RV back there Really? No, so we're gonna cut through that building for how'd you go? It is such an interesting shift in the dynamic Yeah, and it also speaks a lot that I don't like it that ellie's sad Yep, you know, I was like, I don't like seeing this because by this point I just would be surprised if you went and did to her regardless of you know, whether you'd played She's been through so much. She's uh, she's a trooper. Yep That fucking stalks the idea Uh right. Yeah, I think that's one of the most common openings of a thing sound ever. It's usually for doors. I think I'll get you up there. You can drop that ladder down and we go through that way Hey, that's a fun little reference. Look video games. Everything all right. Yeah, I'm fine Yeah, you just kind of seem extra quiet today Okay Yeah, fine Just you kind of seem extra quiet today, so Oh Sorry, no, it's not It's fine I'm sorry. No, it's fine Did you hear what I yeah boost got it ellie what The ladder come on. What is it? Oh, yeah, another thing we've got to mention I'm very much hoping for the giraffe payoff But the curiosity will be if they do cg or not I think they can a little spring for some real giraffes I don't know. I don't know if it's a matter of like what you can pay for versus what you're allowed to use in certain places Yeah, you think there's a combination of both a giraffe around here that may prevent them The thing I if you ask me about on it, I'd say it's gonna be cg. It's gonna be probably it's just easy to control It's just yeah, it's it's kind of sad. I mean think about all the um You know all the giraffes out there that you know want to make it big. Yeah, she's seen the giraffe, isn't it? It's all right Come here hurry up Come here. Did she see the shadows on the tarps like a velociraptor? Good reference. I don't know why you'd make it. I don't know damn. How tall are these fucking giraffes? She's all like this enormous head. Come on. The neck is many stories tall Unless there it is she heard it or something This is probably I'm gonna quite well utilize considering a current state of mind as well Oh, that giraffe looks really good. I imagine that this giraffe was born um after you know The apocalypse. So this is a free-range giraffe That's a very good looking giraffe. Very good looking giraffe. It'll be from the zoo, right? I assume that's what this is I think that's where that problem in the game. Yeah. Well. Yeah, but this one it means 20 years. This one is uh Well, how long does the giraffe live? Well, it's kind of the nature of the whole thing right that nature is uh It's kind of the nature of nature. Yeah, exactly that now along those tongues Give me that leaf. Look at that giraffe Yeah, she's happier The giraffe doesn't want to eat you and stuff. It just wants to be chill Is that like a is that a real giraffe that looks really good? I wonder if we're gonna see is that bird that's real caught up That's the closest thing to a sorry that we're ever gonna get is a dead Like nailed to the wall Like yeah, like on a cross Is everything you're open for Is it everything you hoped for got its ups and downs? It's got its ups and downs Can't deny that for you. I can't deny the view though This word top looks very similar. Yeah So the game this whole environment. Yeah, it's really similar super detailed callback. Is it everything you hope for? Jury's still out. Is that everything you hope for? Jury's still out. You can't deny that view We did it. Now here's the convoy. I don't know exactly where this hospital is. Yeah, we'll find it Maybe there's nothing bad out there, but so far there's always been something bad out there We're still here though. We don't have to do this You know that right We don't have to do this I just I want you to know that. What do you mean? What else are we supposed to do? What's the other option? Go back to Tommy's as we forget about the whole damn thing after all we've been through Everything I've done It can't be for nothing Everything that I've done. It can't be for nothing I know you mean well I know you want to protect me you have And when we're done we'll go wherever you want Colomies Sheep ranch The moon But there's no halfway with this Once we're done We'll go wherever you want We'll follow you anywhere you go Okay Well, I ain't leaving without you Let's go wrap this up We finish what we started We don't have to do this. Yeah, that's that's just him being like, you know, can we can we not do it This is the big thing about the story, right? It's the discovery that why are we alive? It's like to have moments like this with each other. It's not about like To have moments like this with each other. It's not about like he's so much less focused now on like some grand mission He just wants to hang out with it The moon yeah Yeah, the moon dream of Sheep ranches on the moon I will you ain't cargo no more All right, we're nearly halfway fireflies got to get in here Yep Unless the I mean, do you think the structure is going to be cliffhangers with what he's going to do in our season two? No way No, the ending is definitely going to take us right back to where it ends in the game Yeah, there's God could you imagine that would I think that would piss people off? Definitely looks extremely good post-apocalypse vibe is like that was about that design is incredible Yeah, this looks amazing. You know, there's just weeds and plants growing up growing up everywhere We got a bit of rubble things and the visual effects of the backgrounds are super well integrated. Yes. They look very good I don't imagine like the kind of effort it takes to do that, but it looks great I think I only got I think it was filmed over the course of the year at a long production timeline. They put these places up all around The first few days after the outbreak Emergency medical camps. This place takes me back How so? It was right after everything went down I ended up in a tree. I was just like this They had me in one just like this with sarah The loss she's gone already. Oh everywhere you look just It's all families torn apart Whole damn world seemed to have Turned upside down in a blank. It's for this not the guy who shot and missed I figured that would have happened later Nope Is that after you lost sarah? Yes, it was Well, I got a hand it to the army people. They were way better at stitching you up than I was. I was the guy who shot and missed I Can't imagine losing someone you love like that Losing everything that you know I'm sorry jewel sarah died And I couldn't see the point anymore and I wasn't scared either. I was ready That's okay. I meant to pull the trigger. I flinched. I still don't know why Hey, Joel. I got something for you here Maria showed this to me and I uh I stole it Anyway, the reason I'm telling you all this is why you're telling me all this Yeah, I reckon you do I hope you don't mind So time heals all wounds. I guess It wasn't time that didn't I don't know matter how hard you try I guess you can't escape your past Thank you I'm glad that that didn't work out Me too In the game, this is where ellie gives joe the photo of sarah that she found. I wonder if they'll do that So what was wrong with you? Also, she can talk about sarah and it doesn't bug him That is I think a similar sort of realization in the game We're just like damn they really have come far then well i could patch right there look at him Dude everything's ready for the payoff now. Yeah, we gotta add two seasons of a Mandalorian like this Imagine imagine his fucking cargo in the game was a person this old and this Yeah, someone he could fucking talk to and that could talk to him. That's some stupid green baby Boggle What? Shitty puns people are making apocalypse jokes like there's no tomorrow too soon. No, it's topical. It's topical Moon rocks tastes better than earth rocks. Why meteor? It's terrible. That's it. That was actually good. Fuck you. That was actually good. All right. All right. You look appealing Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. Oh fuck I appreciate that he uh, he covered him. Yeah Yeah, the fireflies. Yes, they are and we didn't do the the water the swimming payoff They are being uh, they're being dicks Oh, whether or not she's conscious. Whoa. I'm very scared right now. These are going to be a tens few minutes Yeah, this is it. This is it the conversation with marlene is everything Keep an eye on them subtitles everybody because i'm probably going to be talking a lot about every single thing they say Uh, yeah, hi Welcome to the fireflies Sorry about the They don't know who you were patrol didn't know who you were. Really? She's all right. They brought her back Where's ellie? She wasn't hurt Not even a scratch. She's mostly worried about you. You came all this way How'd you do it? It was her How'd you do it? It was all her She felt like hell to get here. She felt like hell to get here. She would have been dead on day one You had the one person I never wanted to be in debt to But I owe you I pretty much lost everything And then you show up and somehow we find you just in time to save her. Maybe it was meant to be We all know you just take me to her I can't She's being prepped for surgery You don't have to worry about her anymore. We'll take care. I worry. Just let me see her, please What surgery? You can't She's being prepped for surgery The hell you mean surgery our doctor he thinks that the cordyceps and ellie has grown with her since birth Why is she in surgery doctors tell me the cordyceps the growth inside her has somehow mutated It's why she's immune it produces a kind of chemical messenger It makes normal cordyceps think that she's cordyceps. It's why she's immune once they remove it They'll be able to reverse engineer a vaccine vaccine. He's gonna remove it from her Multiply the cells in a lab and then we can give it to everyone, but it grows all over the brain It does He thinks it could be a cure joe A cure find someone else. There is no one else cordyceps grows inside the brain It does Listen, you were gonna show me where Stop Find someone else. There is no one else. She's being prepped for surgery He thinks it could be a cure joe. It could be could be we're okay so far cordyceps grows inside the brain It does Is she awake? Is she awake? Is she awake? We didn't tell her we didn't cause her any fear. There won't be any pain Find someone else. There is no one else. We didn't tell her we didn't cause her any fear There won't be any pain. They didn't tell her you take me to her help. They didn't tell her. She doesn't know Yes, what and it's exactly yep I get it But whatever it is you think you're going through right now is nothing to what I have been through Any pain no you take me to her you take me to her right now I knew her since she was born. I promised her mother. I would look after her Then why are you letting this happen? Please you don't understand. I was there when she was born joe Because this isn't about me or even her There is no other choice here. I promised her mother that I would save her child. I promised So I do understand I'm the only one who understands Going yourself that bullshit. I'm sorry. I have no other choice. I do Please you don't understand I do Is that intro? She was there when she was born joe I have no I do Uh-oh margin matter here He tries anything shoot him Welcome out to the highway leave him there with his pack give him this He tries anything Shoot him Welcome out to the highway leave him there with his pack Give him this He tries anything Shoot him Oh deals been well it's a little bit different But they're not giving him the weapons like they're not giving him what they agreed to Yeah, it's still it's everything's here. The only thing that's different was just the pack Just the pack. That's it. The only thing that's different really is that they've made the potential for the cure clearer medically Yes, but otherwise it's more or less I mean if the game didn't exist I would expect him to now do the thing he does in the game and i'm on his team by the way I am yeah I didn't tell ellie They fucked him over completely and they clearly don't give a shit and then we can go into all the political reasons For why this is fucked up whatever she agreed to she didn't understand what she was agreeing to No, and then they've probably put her under Yep Who fuck them and like they're the fireflies. They are they are we've been told throughout this season They're assholes in terms of what they do to gain. So what do you think they're gonna use this for? I like this, you know I like that this is happening at the bottom of a dark stairwell It's like he's descending in it into what he knows he has to become to do ammo Yep Thank you mags. They both use the same mags. So it's not a problem This is I think this is a scene that a lot of people have wanted for a while This is gonna be punishes y'all basically I like him shooting through the window Because glass isn't bulletproof I like these editing choices too. Yeah. Yeah Music is pretty full boating as well. Yeah, it is. This to me just seems like you've rolled this upon yourselves You're gonna execute him anyway. Yep This is exactly what we've been talking about throughout the entire season It's been properly given that if you fuck with him too much He doesn't have any limits. Oh, this is yeah. This is uh, this is him real scary It's just coming between a man and his daughter. That's what the story's about I love that this is kind of a montage of just like mayhem Well, yeah, and like I said the music choice the tone here is like did this have to happen It's like there's so many reasons how it didn't but it did. Yeah, we're gonna have to have our show down at the end Yeah, this is this battle a lot this doctor Yep, is there a little girl in this room? It's like daddy. No, are we gonna do it? If there's a zebra in this room, that'll just that'll just be it The whole way good job Pedro in this whole season. Yeah He's been fantastic Unhook her. What are you doing in here? This is our future. Think of all the lives we'll save. How did you get in here? I said unhook her I won't let you take her Unhook her There you go Yep, you picked up a scalp on my good man Yep, he does spare the rest. Oh, well, I guess is it up to you in the game whether or not you spare these It's uh, you don't have to it's just the doctor. Why I pretend they're all doctors, but it's just the guy That shot is important for next season Yep Don't have to deal with that shit now though No, it seems like they're not going to know which uh Where is marlene? I bet I think I know what's gonna happen. Have you ever seen it before? No, you can't keep her safe forever You can't save her Even if you get her out of here, then what? No matter how hard you try No matter how many people you kill she's gonna grow up, joe How long before she's torn to pieces by a pack of clickers? That is if she hasn't been raped and murdered first How long till she's torn apart by infected or murdered by raiders? Because she lives in a broken world that you could have saved It ain't for you to decide It's what she'd want Maybe But it isn't for you to decide Or you And you know it So what would she decide? Because I think she'd want to do what's right And you know it Do the right thing here Even after what you've done We can still find a way She won't feel anything This editing is straight out of the game Yeah, straight out of the game Yeah, one to one What? It's all right, you're with me Take it slow What the hell am I wearing? Just take it easy Drugs are still wearing off The drugs are still wearing off I was with the firefighters and then What drugs? What happened? They were running some tests on you And some others We found the fireflies Turns out there's a whole lot more like you People that are immune Dozens of them Turns out there's a whole lot more like you really People that are immune There's dozens actually The doctors, they couldn't make any of it work I'm a damn bit of good neither They've actually They've actually They've stopped looking for a cure They've stopped looking for a cure Are my clothes? Raiders attacked the hospital I barely got you out of there We'll find you some new ones on the way Are people hurt? Yes Is Marlene okay? I'm taking us home Wait, let me go No, wait, wait, wait You just come after her You just come after her You just come after her That flaming was identical to the game Just exactly the same All of it, one to one And now we're back to And back to Jackson These landscapes I will say that We were worried about the The amount of time but they were quite expeditious They were quite expeditious They were quite expeditious They were quite expeditious They were quite expeditious They were quite expeditious I think it was like one pointed out The montage of the Fight at the hospital That was a good choice Looks like we're walking Well, she got us close enough We've got to walk the rest of the way She'll be a straight shot through here It's actually kind of pretty, ain't it? Probably about a five-hour hike We can manage that Yeah I used to hike like this all the time I wouldn't say it was her favorite thing She wasn't a fan of the mosquitoes and such I don't think I ever told you But Sarah and I used to Take hikes like this She would have liked you Not to say the two of you are the same Definitely different kids Ah, sir Well, she was a lot more I know she would have liked you I bet I would have I want to say girly and I'm not saying that you're not girly I'm not Just a little bit further now She had a killer smile Again, not saying that you don't Do you know why I think she liked you? Why? Because you're funny I think you would have made her laugh Anyway, I bet you would have liked her back Yeah, I bet I would have Hey, wait, back in Boston? Hey, wait Back when I was bitten I wasn't alone Back in Kansas City, you asked me about the first time I killed someone When I got bit in the mall, I wasn't on my own My best friend was there My best friend was there And she got bit, too We didn't know what to do And she got bit, too We didn't know what to do and she says So, she says We can just wait it out Be all poetic and just lose our minds together Let's just wait it out You know, we can be all poetic and just lose our minds together And then she did And I had to I'm still waiting for my turn Ellie Her name was Riley and she was the first to die Her name was Riley She was the first to die And then it was Tess And then it was Tess And then Sam And then Sam That's not on you Look, sometimes things don't work out the way we hope You can feel like Like you've come to an end You don't understand I struggled for a long time With surviving You don't know what to do next But if you just keep going No matter what You keep finding something to fight for You find something new to fight for No, maybe that's not what you want I swear to me Now, I know that's not what you want to hear right now I swear to me That everything you said about the Fireflies is true I swear I swear And you get the sense that there's some Oh, it's getting big Or maybe it's always been that big Well, the thing is that Jackson looks Reasonably big But you don't go to Jackson in the game In the first one You only get to see it from outside Like this angle, yeah And this will be our conflict for Season 2 The thing about this is Maybe she never will One of the interpretations from people of the game Is that she knows he's lying But she accepts it That's an interpretation Yeah, we did it We did it everybody We made it We're safe for a while We did make it We're safe for a while That's good Yeah, this is a solid season And hopefully the section to the ending Will make them think about What they're going to do with Season 2 At the beginning of the season, I don't think we expected it to be that But I mean, that was pretty close To the game There's obviously differences here or there But a lot of the major beats with their hand It's the closest to a game as far as adaptations go That we've ever seen The critical part though is The whole conflict there Oh god, I'm so relieved I know, right? It's just like, oh, yep We're there I will say It gives me the impression that they will be on script For the Last of Us 2 Season 2 I imagine we're going to be seeing it one to one Yeah, there is that But the thing is it's like, at least we got this We did get it Yeah, I don't know what they're going to do I don't think we're going to get changes that make Last of Us 2 better I think it's going to be pretty much one to one It's going to be about whether or not they feel the need to change certain things A lot of what destroys that game for me Is so many small decisions made by characters There's a lot of big ones too We've changed to improve the story We've said since the beginning, you can kill Joel You can You can do it But you gotta At least we've got a Season 1 that hasn't been Drastically Mired by the existence of The Last of Us Part 2 It's so weird to think that they would take 2 And know what the reception is to that game And then do a second season of TV like it By comparison to what they've done here Which is more or less follow the broad strokes Of the original game Obviously some notable changes here and there Broadly following the same strokes Do they do the same thing with The Last of Us 2 Of like the same general structure The same core theme The same, you know, lines of dialogue I'm not sure, but I'm just relieved We've got Season 1 here It's nice and yeah, it's there They did it Plenty of praise But my god, it came through as a TV show I think I think so too The one thing I guess I'm sad about is I could never Experience the show without knowing about the game I'd be curious how that goes Yeah, what does that look like because The guest on Open Bar was saying that His POV was knowing nothing about the games He's really enjoying the show and I'd be like I wonder if it plays better without knowing All of the things that could be Because you've literally seen it happen As opposed to just potential TV show storytelling Well and this show has the unique thing Operating that some people who have played The games are coming into the show Like yeah and Season, and you know the last of us Two is great, whereas there's some of us As well who are coming into this Yeah, really like the last of us One, they're not so big fans of two And it's hard not to imagine that Two is influencing one, but seemingly Not a whole lot Because there were seeds that were definitely planted For two, but they were not substantial Yeah, and I get it Right, the idea being that this is what Someone will do for one person, right That's what this whole story is about This is how far it'll go for one person But what if Season 2, what if one of the people He killed was someone that someone else Will do everything for, you know, that's possible And what happens then? It's like, oh that sounds interesting Yeah If you do that, yeah good Yeah, that could be a story We're simply not there yet What we've got is this season And I think they did a really good job Yeah, I think so too I'm really happy with the performances as well Yeah, I'm happy with the performances Basically everybody, I can't think of any Weak performances in this show And production has been awesome It's been so nice that they also, you know Brought back the composer, brought back Some of the original actors from the game It's an adaptation that certainly Has a greater degree of reverence For the original material Than some other How could you conclude anything else This is obviously the best video game adaptation From the standpoint of faithfulness Is there anything that could possibly be this? I can't think of anything on faith Because I think Arcane is the stronger television show I agree But if you look at other ones Uncharted was pretty lame Halo was awful Mortal Kombat is like It's not great And a lot of it is more And Sonic the Hedgehog I guess it's more Interesting forward looking because we've got A lot of things that are coming now based on We've got God of War, BioShock Here's War Horizon There's a lot about Mario Brothers I'm so hoping this show The show can act as a big old flagship For the era of oh shit Maybe there's something to these game stories Maybe we should pay attention to them Unfortunately Arcane being an animated show Unfortunately it just means that for some reason A lot of its merits Just get overlooked by a mass audience This is one of the most successful shows in HBO The thing is that the league Storylines weren't taken Almost directly and put into Arcane This is a very direct update And it's been a tremendous success Commercially and critically I think so I think that by the end of this season I think that the game is I think I prefer the game still I still prefer the game too However don't scoff at this show This is a good show I would recommend it to somebody who enjoyed the game Or somebody who hasn't played the game It is a matter of there just wasn't as much time The game got to have more time Of just Joel and Ellie moving through environments And talking to each other The show lost some of that The game simply has more good material in it It's just more time to build And therefore the payoffs will hit harder It's just a simple bit of math The extra of a game Sort of more integrating you into You're not just watching Joel You're playing as Joel I was wondering in the finale If we were going to get A big old horde of infected And if there are complaints about the finale I imagine that might be one of them But it didn't bother me Because they focused on all the big character stuff All the important stuff is there It feels to me the same as the previous episode Where it's like oh it really wasn't much infected At all and it's like Is that a problem? It's like well I'd like to see them But no it doesn't make the episode bad Or worse because there's no infected Episode 5 was the big blowout Episode with the infected And then afterwards it's you know And I can see people already right now saying Ah yes it's totally fine for the zombie survival show Thing to not even have enemies Yes that makes sense it's like well I hate genre arguments They drive me nuts I don't like them either Because they're often weird and confused And hard to be consistent about This show what everyone I think agrees on What is the last of us in IP about It's like Joel and Ellie They definitely came through on that Certainly in these last two episodes In terms of what's happening to these two people But yeah I happily concede I would have liked to see more raider encounters I would have liked to see more zombie encounters I would have liked to see more time with everyone Yeah yeah I feel like the zombies were a bit sparse If we had gotten all those things If the season was like 18 episodes 13 episodes I think you pushed it to 13 and that would be enough Yeah no I don't disagree with that I just mean fuck it let's go Why not have 22 episodes I wonder if it's just a matter of At that point it's just a matter of how much money Is the season gonna cost I don't care I don't care yeah I make it as long as necessary Well what I was gonna say is I think if we had that And it was as good as this is If not slightly better in terms of just your quality per episode I'd be happy to call it great I don't think I'm quite at the position of calling it great I'm not quite there either Yeah it's got great things about it But overall I'm not quite there I don't think I think it's enough dragging it back That I would settle on good It's very good I'm comfortable with good Maybe teetering towards very good A lot of the conversations can immediately be about How it compares to the game or whether or not it's stacked up Or is it good enough to pass most of it Probably should talk about the storytelling decisions What happened in this episode similarly to the game Why are they important So much effort was put into finalizing And being definitive about what relationship they have And being presented by the Fireflies And I just think it's crystallized the moment she says I understand I've got this with her mom I did the promise and blah blah blah I really got no choice this is what I've got to do Basically like I can't change this and he's like I can And then Joel says yeah exactly You're forgetting about me I can choose I'm gonna choose differently than you I really enjoy the fact that Marlene's not Nobody's stupid enough in this moment to believe It's like ah Okay so you need to get the fuck out then Fireflies I still get the decisions they're making I even get the decision they're making with Ellie It's just I'm sorry you've made it This is the kind of conflict you fucking love where You can understand why the decision was made And now you're like well you know what happens next Is he fucking kills you that's what happens next Messing with his girl I would feel comfortable at this point saying His daughter he totally sees her like that And then of course it's just You know of the elements intact from the game She didn't get to choose She didn't get to make a real informed choice There's stuff to think about for exactly why Joel does what he does and then there's conversations To have with or not you support his decision or not But people have no problem with the game And I doubt they'll have a problem with the show believing I would do the same thing if I were a dad in that situation And then of course it's the same as In the game right with Ellie's You know what does her okay mean Problem is in the games we now know That it wasn't quite that Yeah I can't understate how fucking Happy I am they left it ambiguous in the season one Thank you thank you so much for that That's right that was the good choice Because yeah as a viewer Whether or not you played the game or not You're just left to ponder Does she actually know what's happened And has accepted this does she really believe him It's a great ending I remember conversations about it at first And it's just like the take away I had And this is part of what pissed everybody off about last was She knows what he's done She knows why he's done it It felt to me that's the fucking point of that conversation They had up to that point was He adored his daughter and how much he sees Of his daughter in her and she's like Ah shit okay look You killed everybody to save me didn't you And he's like no and then she's like Okay the recognition to me was always A matter of like you're never gonna tell me the truth And I know why you're not gonna tell me Let's move on yeah this is not Like no conflict here Is gonna really move this forward So let's just we got something Let's keep going and there there is no Hesitation on Joel's part in His affirmation of The lie it's like I told You the truth and she she knows Just by that it's like You're not gonna be straight with me are you Like I'm not gonna get it out of you so okay It always frustrates people as well about The second game that he just he does such a Piss poor job of explaining why he made the decision Once he has to to her They need to because of their objectives In the narrative he needs to He needs to be bad That's how it comes across yeah The last of us Fights so hard to contextualize Joel's actions as like completely Inexcusable and Irrational and it has to fight So hard to try to convince The audience of that Bending and buckling and breaking it every turn But it doesn't matter what happens in season two At this point because season one It's the game not not quite But you know it is the game and that it is A complete story it's a complete Package and yeah I assume Part of what she was getting at when she was explaining All the people who've died is the that was Supposed to come to a real significant point Like a cure right but then he cuts her off To say hey meaning And what we live for what we fight for it Doesn't have to be that it could be anything and it'll be Something something will come that's makes It all worthwhile you can look back it's like Horrible things happen because I think it's Clear to both of them exactly what both of them are Thinking about and that's why it's such a great Scene and it wasn't a game and I think it's worth Emphasizing that what we've got here in terms Season of television is one that's really thematically Strong it's got great For these main characters like that is Really it's really like intact I feel like that's something I want to emphasize amidst All of the criticism being levied at The show and some of it I imagine To just you know stemming from the Meadow I mean it's worth taking stock of What we've got here as a season of television I'm also curious about the people who think he's Like sorry beta cuck joel after that hospital Scene That was about as far As you're gonna get from sorry beta cuck You know you just fucking annihilated so many of them We even had him executing people who were Either dying anyway or giving up Which yeah it's just this is always something I thought it was potential within him he's A lot of the scenes where he's holding back he has The history they set it all up with Tommy That's why Tommy didn't like being with him Was the this was the shit he would do to make Sure they survive and someone else I appreciated Honestly was the we kind of kept all of the Things that we needed to keep Same I was kind of worried that he might Just execute all the doctors and shit but No they actually do show The doctor grabbing the scalpel and he's About an inch away from going for joel And he shoots him I was like yes they did It properly because he could have just had It that he was like oh my like what are you Doing sir because boom boom boom boom boom boom boom This is like oh like towering in a corner And stuff they made sure please don't shoot me Yeah they made sure to have everybody He kills be a threat at least Overly the most The most one you could consider is the surrendering guy, but I'm more than happy to say like yeah, you're gonna have to just leave him Yeah, like yeah, he could like pick up the gun when I'm gone and see what's up Well, it's just especially when you've got other enemies around with other guns you need to get rid of him I can understand in the first place in I think that guy was shooting at him before anyway Like a moment beforehand more than likely. Yeah, and then you got the jump on him through whatever move But yeah, there's that there's a course that they leave him What do they say they leave him with his pack and a knife So not only they whilst on the deal, but who knows what else that you didn't get his rifle even though It's all there this show I almost want to not have the game in my head so that I can better see like all the connecting pieces instead of just being like Well, I know that's there because that's how that worked before I know what you mean Yeah, I'm sticking the same pretty happy. Oh, it could have gone so much worse It could have been terrible. It could have been completely Re-engineered to fit like a last-of-us-two Focused everyone expected it to all be altered to either better fit last of us to or to just better fit new Values as a storyteller who's doing it again. It's like, you know, I change my mind I never thought it would be this accurate. Nope. I didn't think so either. You saw how we talked about it before it started We were not really expecting this to be good, but I'm impressed. Yeah, let's see I like that this show runners bring in the infected when they need them like in episode 5 You build up this confrontation between what's her face and her gang and our heroes and it's like they're outnumbered They're in danger at that point you bring a horde of infected in to kind of disrupt that conflict And then our heroes take advantage of the chaos to like escape with their lives and in this there is a big old Infected segment from the game that was cut out But it's nothing of character was lost all you're really missing from that getting chopped out from this end Segment is this sort of last-minute panic of like oh god is Ellie dead like and also the fact that Ellie Knowing that she can't swim. She was willing to risk her life to save Joel Yeah, and then like he pulls her out of the water and it's like oh my god Is she dead is this all been for nothing and she's desperately trying to save her There's a little something there that's cool, but you don't need it all the important beats were covered We already know from in the show that Ellie is willing to go out of her way to save Joel's life given that How she looked after him in the winter phase when he's like and hold on dude It's such a dramatic change in attitudes that he has with her that you see so quickly like and we were commenting on it At the time it's just it's all supporters He's not only feeling incredibly in debt to her and trusts her and loves her at this point He also wants her to feel better. Yeah, and he knows what appeals to her. He's been with her for a while now I just want to say thanks for inviting me to watch this and talk about this. Oh, absolutely Dude, this is this kind of a first because as much as we did the haunting of Hill House That's not quite the same as this This was a you know back and forth of the audience taking it week by week checking it out And I think I have absolutely no regrets about asking you to come and join us for it Thank you for doing that. Yeah, it's been good. Oh, man. I've been stoked. Yeah I just hope your chat isn't too sick of me at this point, but if you are it's okay. This is the last one Okay, guys a lot of people think I'm clinically brain-dead for liking the last of us part, too But you guys had me on You know I will Encouragingly bring you back for the coverage of the season 2 for the TV show and that will be really That's gonna be weird cuz it's just will they adapt that accurately and if so, that's even longer than the last of us one The last of us to I'm not gonna like there's no need I'll just say like if everything runs the same and I have to see it again with these two I'm gonna be pissed off as fuck. Yeah, it'll be like watching it all over Ruin everything that they had worked to build in the first season You've done the one that everyone likes so now time to do the one that is divisive as fucking TLK Yep And on that note that is the last of us finale done. Yeah whole season Whoa one so much for joining us everybody appreciate it And let us know if you want to see more for these sorts of things with different shows in future could do it older ones Could do newer ones like sale happily ask all of you to cover the second season list when it ever comes out We got Gotham Knights of Mandalorian are the next ones, so Gotham Knights of Mandalorian awesome Yep, you know, of course batwomens are still gonna be coming out And it might be as well that we eventually get around to watching this story continue into the final season of flash That's something I've seen clips of I can see us doing that at some point But I got it just you know, let people know a lot of workers into making an editing these and so you know It's not just a matter of like tick a box and you get that show Let's just do it's like no It takes like days to not only schedule setup download upload edit thought out, you know We try and bring you as much as we can and hopefully this was a fun adventure for you all You know good work to everyone for editing these putting them together good work for making a good show I didn't hate it. Congratulations. I didn't hate it That's the thumbs up and now we can breathe a little bit of a sigh of relief until You know yeah season two happens and we're worried again. Thanks everybody to be thank you But you bring me