 Big shit, big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit. That who did it? Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E-C-E-O. And I'm Monday Moses by the way, we crazy cunts in every damn day. Hey man, what's going on man? Hey man, we got a special guest today man. This brother right here don't need no introduction man. He been everywhere doing everything here lately. I don't know where he come from, like he just come out of nowhere to be honest with you man. Man my boy, hey my boy shot at low juniors in the building man. Man what's happening man, it's a pleasure to be here, thank y'all for having me. Hey man, boy when I look at you, I just think about your dad, I ain't gonna lie man, that's the first thing you said. I ain't never seen him in my life when he shot at low juniors. I knew it. He probably get that a lot man. So man what's up man, I want to say you from Bowen Home, but is that correct? Right. Cause I really didn't know if you grew up over there, but just give me a rundown on who you are and kind of how it all began. Oh um, like how it all began with me doing it. Would you, no, no, would you just coming up as a kid? Oh well. Oh we go all the way back. Okay, all the way back. You know, alright man, shot at low juniors, aka Harlow Walker, you know, my dad is weird, shot at low bank here at Bowen Homes, you know, all that. And that's me, bank here at Bowen Homes, I moved to the south side of Atlanta when I was like, let's say 12, 13, that's Old National, Highlands Park area, just growing up like with a father and a mom like that because they really both hustle, you know, my mom used to kind of work for that. So just being around that, you know, just being with my dad and he hustled in, you know, just in Bowen Homes, you know, they had it all day, all day long. Man, we had the three shifts, you know, it was three, eight hour shifts. So it was people, you know, it was a different set and they just used to come through all day and sometimes we didn't even get to, the kids, we there and we don't even get to go home. So you know, it's been there three, four, five in the morning, nothing all falling asleep, man. Like, hey bro, when we going home, man, ain't no going home, man, on that we here for the night. Just, you know, sound like him to the crazy part is the age you saying that they were going down there. And I know because I used to hustle, too. So I get it. So you were actually in the midst, like you've seen, you've seen the drugs or you see, you've seen what was the money counter, the money counter, you know, that sound. Yeah, I was trying to tell you, it was crazy. You know, so when you've seen it, you felt like, you know, because I heard him say something one time, he said, I was getting so much money. He said, I would get it. I thought everybody would get it. Like he would say, I get a hundred thousand at a time. He said, I thought everybody was doing it because I was doing it. I felt that when he said it. So you've seen all of this going on. I'm seeing it, man. As a kid, you know, like around the ages, four, five, six and seven and stuff like that. So I'm seeing it. But you know, as a kid, you don't really know what's going on. But you've seen it. But you don't know. You think it's normal. Yeah. Yeah. So you're thinking this is normal, but it's really not. And so you've seen all the cause and everything in the cause around the women. I like, you know, I've done been in the hood, like playing football, like with the neighborhood kids and stuff. And then, you know, I see my dad coming around the corner running. And then after that, I see the police coming around the corner too. So but I seen him on his phone and it was later came outside. So so he was running and she came outside and he ran to her house. So when the police came around the corner, she was like, he ran that way, but he really ran in the house. So he had to call her. I was like, look at this. I don't know what it is. She's like a movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, no, for real. Like, I've seen a lot. Drive-bys. I don't see people get shot. Killed. Like, Jays at the door. Like, I don't type of stuff. Like, man, I don't see it at all. So what got you into sports? Cause you ended up playing football early on. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So my mom, she used to hustle, you know, too. But, you know, and I was always good at football. And, you know, I was always just, you know, just around the neighborhood playing football, basketball, basketball. When I was young, so I used to suck, but on football, I was the truth. You the dog, yeah. Oh, yeah. So I was the truth. So, you know, my mom had met this guy and, um, and, um, he made, like, kind of helped her change her life and she turned over to God, and, you know, and I see how she was struggling, you know, like, sometimes we really have food or this or that or whatever the catchment be. So I told her, I say, mom, I'm going to the league. You know what I mean? I'm going to take care of you. Yeah. So, you know, that was just my passion and my dream at the time. So, you know, I just stayed focused with it. And, you know, um, high school, college, um, I was, I actually was talking to, um, Georgia State and Sam Houston and stuff, but my senior year, excuse me, my senior year, I hurt my arm back. So, you know, and people were like, you know, I just want to see if you can still play. So I went to, um, a junior college in Cali. But then when I came back for Thanksgiving break, that was 2012. That's when I got in trouble and I didn't go back. So, and the crazy part is how was it? Like when you were growing up and you went to playing football and everybody knew you was, you was shorted low sun. Did that open doors for you or did that cause issues for you? Um, meaning like I ain't showing this nigga no favoritism cause he's shorted low sun or see, but that was actually good. Though, like my, my, um, coaches and stuff, you know, they was hard on me just like they were harder than everybody else kid. Cause, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm out here. So they gonna push me to be great and have that mindset, you know, just like everybody else, you know, so I ain't getting no favoritism. It was like sometimes like when, like when I was playing bad and stuff and they'll take me out of the game and my dad and my mom and again, I'm like, coach, we need to put him in the game. He was like, I don't care cause your dad up there. I don't care about him being shorted low. Shit. You finna sit right here. And I, and it really like, damn, she hurt me. So I look back at my dad watching and he's like, what's going on? Like, you done got yourself in the jam. Like, yeah. So, so, you know, but like you got stuff like that, you know, but that builds integrity and ethics too, man. And, and that made me want to work harder, get better, you know, because I wanted my parents to see me do good and, you know, sign and stuff. So it that made me focus more too. What about your siblings, man? Did any one of the others play football? No, I only got one older brother. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, he did, he do what he do. Um, he, he had been doing music since he was a 13 and everything, you know, but I don't know if he really ever took it. Serious. Serious. Yeah. I, when I see you, you know, I just, I just know that, um, the things that God got prepared for you, bro, ain't no telling where it's going. You know what I'm saying? And I'm excited about it. What did you think about it, money Moses? I want to know what was the best thing that you got from your daddy when he was selling drugs that made you think positive. I'm not going to do this. Yeah. I mean, what was the best thing that came to your mind? I'm not going to do this. I mean, because as a kid, you know, you know, you know, it's good and what's bad, but you, you might don't know what's going on, but you know what is good and what's bad. So like, I see him getting chased by the police. I seen him shooting at people. I said, I don't see people get shot in the eye. I was like, man, you know, I don't want to live like this. I don't want to be a part of that. Yeah. You know, I want to be different. Yeah. I mean, you know, I want to help people and I want to just be good and have somebody proud of me, you know, and in that aspect, not saying that people wasn't proud of my dad, but you know, he was doing what he was doing, but he was doing it for a good reason. Yeah. Like, so he took care of the neighborhood. Like, like he paying the whole hood rent, like taking care of everybody. You know what I mean? So he was doing what he was doing, but it was for good, though. Yeah, but you know, it ain't getting good in the, in the other folks eyes. Right. No, it ain't. You know, it's always a good thing for us because we see it. But it's like, once the, how they look at it, it's like, you're doing too much, you take care of it. It's like, they don't want that to see you. They don't want to see you do good in a way. So they're going to make a way for you to be. I agree with that. They're going to make a way for you to be in the hood. I see the D4L change, man. I remember back when I didn't even know who Charlotte Lowe was. I really, I just seen them niggas just doing the dance. And you know, I ain't, I ain't seen Charlotte Lowe and none of that. I'm being real. I think he was on the backside when that was going on. Right. And I was like, dang man. He was in jail then. Well, was he in jail? Prison then. He was in prison then, but he still, he started it. Right. That's crazy. How did that? Okay. How did that start out and I don't know the history of it, but how did that, from your perspective, how did it, you say he was in jail then, how did they even get that off the ground and then how did he orchestrate that? Why he was locked up? Well, basically my dad was, my dad was already a millionaire before he even started rapping or doing anything. Just our street money. You know, my dad said that, that he's seen his first million by the time I think he was 17, 18. So, you know, so he was already kingpin already. So, you know, he was just looking for ways to invest his money. You know, to help his people. And that's when he started the studio, the D4L studio. And, you know, he was investing his money into his group, you know, stuntman, Fable, Front Street, you know, all of those people that you have seen. And so basically they was already working and stuff, but, you know, he had got locked up, right? So, so then when that happened, you know, that they were just still doing they they think whatever. So, you know, they may laugh at Taffy and they had played it for him like over the phone. And then, you know, dad was like, no, I don't know about that one. But, you know, they end up being one of the biggest songs. If not the biggest song, it was big, man. It changed culture a lot in a lot of ways, bro. So how were you then? He was young. Yeah, I was still staying on the west side when that song came out. So I was probably around like 10 or 11. 11. Yeah. So because that was around like the 2003-2004 era. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy, man. So OK, so you you now I'm fast forwarding a little bit. But well, during that era, when he first came out and then that got to going, he started doing his own solo deal. And when he started doing his solo deal, him and T.I. ended up having issues about was he from born home? Did you even understand what was going on in that whole thing? I mean, from my understanding, from what I know, basically, dad asked T.I. to get on one of his songs, whatever, on the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said that. Yeah. So, you know, dad, you know, T.I. was always claiming Bankhead, but, you know, nobody never said nothing or my dad and them ain't never say nothing because they felt like, you know, it felt good for somebody to be claiming they side of town. So you claiming Bankhead and you doing all this and all that. But then, you know, when when the man of Bankhead asked you for some, you know, you put a, you know, move on that, but he didn't. So he was just like, you know, this and that, like now he want to do whatever it can be. So, so that was like that. So how the hell do you go? You know, just claim Bankhead and, you know, and first off, we ain't never heard of you or seen you. Yeah. No, well, yeah. So, but then you're going to do that. Yeah. So that was just like, you really ain't from him. We would just then you claim it. But T.I. was using my dad cars and stuff in his video. Correct. I heard him say that. I heard the story, but it's just crazy because I just you was at that time, you would have been about 13. Mm hmm. You about 13 then because this is when it's boiling down. So during that time also, if I remember correctly, right after that Gucci come on the scene, did you ever meet Gucci with with your dad during that time when it was hanging out? Yeah. Yeah, that would have had to be dope. Oh, yeah. Miss, I met Gucci, man, Gucci funny and hold on, which Gucci man? He met the old Gucci man, the first Gucci. Yeah, the first Gucci man, the big Gucci. So what's the difference? Well, big Gucci was real. I know him, I know him, you know, but I didn't ask the question. Both different. So you actually met him like. Well, I haven't got to meet the new Gucci now. You know, the fit Gucci, workout Gucci, all that, you know, the the the businessman Gucci. I don't know this Gucci, but I knew Gucci from back then because him and my dad used to always kicking and stuff. And they was like this. But so it was like me, my dad and Gucci, we went to Six Flags, me, my dad and his partners, Gucci and his partners and stuff. And that's when Gucci was talking to Buffett, the body. OK, so I think I was like 13, 14 years. So we walked. You were managed in. You seen Buffett about it. You like, yeah, man, man, we waiting in line. And Gucci told me to slap her butt down. I knew it. So I was like, no, no, man, I didn't do that. But you know, I'm like, I'm 13, 14. Oh, yeah, I want to slap it, but I don't know. Yeah. So, um, so when he made me do it, but see, see what the thing is, like when I said no, and he told me to do it again, he asked my dad, like, oh, my son, what's up with this thing? Right? That sounds like him, too, boy. So I got. So that was like, man, you know, man, he kind of shy, man, you know, he's still young. He know, like 13 shy, you know what I mean? So got him. So boom. So, so Gucci let me walk in front of him. So now I'm behind, but for the body, you see all that, man. So he pushed me on the. So got now I'm grabbing on and now I'm from the fall, trying to stop her from falling and stuff like that. But the booty hit you in the chest. Yeah. So I'm like, it was crazy. What Gucci say? He laughing. Gucci, laughing, dad laughing. I want to remember that. Man, oh, no, so I ain't going to talk about it. Oh, yeah. Gucci remember that many niggas remember what's going on. They crazy. I often say, boy, you know, that's what I remember. Yeah. I know. I don't remember that. You know what I'm talking about? I remember it, too. Yeah. Yeah, man. That's crazy, man. Because those are the stories, man. I have so many people that because because Pimp is no longer here and his his people that, you know, been with him. I hear all these stories, man, just dope. I wish I'd have got the meat shot. Hello, I listen to every every song, everything he was doing. I was on it, man, because I love the hustle and all his music really magnified that. You know what I mean? And you could tell it wasn't it wasn't fabricated. It was real. And then that's what I liked. You know what I mean? You could tell the ones who really wasn't who really wasn't getting it like that, but acting like they were getting it, too, because they they give fake dope prices and all that. You know what I'm saying? He was more about just the money and talking about, you know, the good time that was going on. And I like that about it, you know? I appreciate it. Yes, sir, man. Well, let's talk about about you, man. Is that Brick, baby? Yes. What's up with that, man? This is my ass. Hold this line. Right. So Brick, baby, the Brick means being resourceful, intelligent and creative to overcome, you know, your struggles, your circumstances or anything that you're going on in life. So, you know, I really don't look at any situation as a negative, you know? I always trying to find the positive in each situation and find a solution in each situation. You know, I don't focus on the problem because the problem is here. So how are we going to fix it and solve it? But once you have been resourceful and creative, being resourceful, intelligent and creative for a long period of time that will allow you to bring riches inconsistently. Hey. And, you know, and I feel like this is for my hustlers, people who want somebody's life, who chasing goals, who chasing dreams, you know? And I feel like that should be everybody. So everybody can be a Brick, baby. Wow. That's dope, man. Hey, man, I want that merch in the store, man. I need a wholesale order. Stop playing. You see where we at. I got you. Give me a wholesale order then. I'm going to put the word out, nigga. Dallas Texas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Thank you so much for coming to Dallas, man. I'm loving the movement, man. So when you say you did some time, how long was you locked up, man? Three years, three years, three years. And what did you get out of being locked up with that time that you had to, you know, sit down? Basically, you know, as as being a kid, you know, and like, I ain't never going to forget like I was riding in the car. It was me, my mom and the dude that she talked to and my sister. And I seen the blue bus, you know, the little bus. Yeah, riding past whatever. And I used to always think, like, what did they do to get locked up? Like, what are they doing? You know, like, why go out and be bad? Yeah. But, you know, getting older and you understanding that me actually going to jail and going to prison, that just allowed me to see like everybody in there ain't bad. You know, everybody. Some people just be put in bad situations, lifestyles, circumstances. Some people just are a part of the environment and stuff happens. Some people just make bad decisions. Right. So, that just allowed me just to, you know, just sit back and it like, it allowed me to grow like my mindset, my thought process on people who went to jail and went to prison and just it just allowed me to be more. Let me find a word. Let me find a word. I'll say it allowed me to be more, you know, should aware, paid, you know, just pay attention more, you know, how to read people and it just taught me how to be, you know, what's the word? How to be, you know, just by myself, you know, just like isolated, right? Isolated, like not to, you know, be so big on needing people. Because, you know, when you go down, you go to jail or you go to prison, you really see who has your back or who gonna make time for you or who gonna reach out or who just gonna talk to you. It's not even about the money. Who just gonna be there to talk, keep you uplifted and keep you going. And that was a lesson that my mom had taught me. She was like, sometimes you gotta learn how to be by yourself, you know, you can't depend on people all the time, you know? So sometimes when stuff get hard, you gonna have to figure it out on your own, you know? Everybody ain't gonna always be there and everybody ain't gonna always wanna help you and if they do, sometimes it's not all the way real. Yeah, I get it. So it's just, you know, you gotta learn how to be, you know, just you sometimes. So I know when you, did you have something to say? Go ahead. I can tell you actually sit down and listen and think about everything that you did because like you actually saying what you did wrong, what you did right, and not doing nothing wrong, like you actually see it. Like other people don't see it, they can get out, so I'm gonna go do this and do this again. Like you actually sit down and you actually sit down and broke it down to where, what you was actually thinking, like, damn, I'm in GIC, everybody ain't this, everybody ain't that. It's like you see a different side of everybody. It's like you actually, the most smartest people are in jail. Oh man. The most smartest people are in jail. The smartest people be it. You understand, you'll never know, like you put them in a situation and you give them a small thing, they're gonna come out with a big old, like they're gonna make some out of it. Were they so creative? I was like, I was like, you know, I was as pure, I was like, bro, y'all so creative, what the hell? Like why y'all didn't imply this? Like they're like, bro. But yeah, it's like, you don't, like, just for me being there and seeing all this, you know, us as black people, like we can, bro, we are the entrepreneurs, like we can really run this, like, cause we are, you know, that's just saying like you, you know, you're a hustler. Don't nobody hustle harder than us. Don't nobody hustle harder than black people, period. So it just being that creative and that smart, I'd be like, man, y'all guys don't know that, y'all can get out here and really take it over. But a lot of people don't know, a lot of people don't know the business side and they won't take the time to go, you know, learn it. But now in this age, you can go on Google, you can go on YouTube and these people is explaining it to you versus back then, when you know this wasn't really gotten to the available, next people give me you free game. The only thing you gotta do is go get it. No, that's not true. But you gotta have a paperwork behind it, bro. You gotta have a paperwork, they gonna take it from you. That's the one thing we don't do, black people, we don't take the paperwork behind it. But I would just go do it and then they take it from us, we all complain. I agree. I'll go get the paperwork first and then go do it. Yeah, yeah, these streets is real too. And I think we are creative, like you said. So, but when you think about it, you know, it's eye-opening, man, but the one thing I did notice and, cause when I got jam, my mother had passed away and when I researched it, I found out your mom passed and your father passed while you was incarcerated. Right. That's, how was it dealing with both of those incidents if I might ask, if you wanna talk about it? Yeah, sure, like losing my mom, like that hurt me the most. Yeah, I know. That broke me down. Like just even think about it, it's just crazy. Cause I really don't talk about my mom, but it's like I have no choice but to talk about dad cause everybody's lost him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't just me, but my mom, that's my baby. Like I can't even count to you. No, no, I already know. Like, man, like that hurt me more than anything. How did you react and what did you do? And the reason I ask these questions, Lowe, is because it'll help somebody else who go through that. My cousin lost his mother and his dad while he was like my first cousin. We were in together all the time. So I know, but he can't sit down like you cause he ain't type of person that could do this. But somebody that's gonna see this parents, they may lose their parents or something, or have lost it or going through something like that. That's why I asked you about it. You know what I mean? Cause it'll help somebody else. Like man, like the only thing I can say we're like losing my mom. It wasn't nothing really nobody could tell me. It was unexpected. Yeah, it was just unexpected. Cause I had just talked to her earlier that day. I told her happy birthday and stuff. And I told her- It was on her birthday? Yeah. I told her don't be drinking and driving. And she said that I'm not, I got somebody who's gonna drive me home. So my dad came out and surprised her and turned up her party for her. You know, he came out and did his thing and performed with her and stuff. And then she drove my dad sister home but she didn't get to get home. So, you know, she passed, she passed like not too shortly after leaving her house cause she got to a car accident the same way as dad. And that's where it blew my mind. Both my parents passed in car accidents. Yeah, so, so boom, so just like that. And when it happened, I didn't know. So, I guess one of the guards at the, on the prison that I was at, he told my partner just to make sure I'm okay, I'm good. And you know at time, I don't know. But I guess my parent, I mean my dad, my grandma, my auntie or somebody had called down to tell the prison already and told them to tell me. So the guard just told my partner to make sure that I'm good. So, so my partner was like, hey bro, you know the guard. No, he was like, bro, the guard just told me to make sure you're good. I don't know what's going on with that, bro. Is you good? I like, yeah. Here, he was like, bro, you might need to call home and see what's going on. I was like, man, why, like, but I had just got, recently got some paperwork saying that I was going home in December and this was July. So, and I called my mom a couple weeks early and told me I'm coming home in December. So I'm thinking, I'm like, but I know she didn't call down here and tell them to just make sure I'm okay and I'm safe and stuff. Yeah, yeah. Cause she would do something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make sure my baby good. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, you better watch it. He coming home. So I wonder about doing that tour type stuff. Yeah. So, um, so, um, so boom. So I walked upstairs and I was getting on the actual jail phone and I come dialed a number. I pushed it, it rained one time and I hung it up. So man got, so I was just like, man, I ain't finna call her. You know, cause I had set days where I actually called them and stuff and talked to them and stuff. Yeah. So, um, I was like, you know whatever. Somebody just say they called. So I went back downstairs and one of my partners and stuff. So he from the 62. So, um, he, he just kept staring at me. You know, and I was down there playing cards and stuff. I looked up, he's staring. He walked away. He walked that way. So, you know, in prison, you know, you just talk to watch how people move. How they walking and stuff. Oh, so I looked at like something like, bro, what are we going on? Are you good? He was like, yeah, yeah. But I can tell how he said it. I was like, so guys, I stopped playing cards and I walked upstairs to the room. I was like, bro, what's going on? We're talking, bro, you got something going on? You got a feeling of some type of way or something? And he was just like, no, bro, you just need to call home and make sure your people's great, bro. She had many folks say under your mom pad. I was like, bro, I don't like how. Where should I just talk to her? Man, you tripping. Oh, I call under my dad and he picked up. And I'm like, dad, man, what's going on? Man, these folks trying to tell me that mom pads and stuff. And he was trying to change the subject. He was like, lo, son, what's going on? I'm like, man, dad, man, man, what do these folks talking about? You talking about what's going on? I mean, what's going on? And then he got quiet. I was just like, what? Said I ain't so. And he got down, he was like, boy, shit, it's so. And I just lost it. Man, I can't even explain. What happened after that? I just, I couldn't even believe it, man. But when I tell you, for like a whole week, I ain't sleep. And I cried like every day, all day. But those guys never really showed me love, though. Like they like, bruh. That's the way it be. God put the right people around you to deal with situations and circumstances. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And that had to be hard. Now, explain to me how it was when Charlotte Lowe, when he passed away. How did you hear about that when he was locked up? Bruh, it's crazy. Because I had just talked to him the night before because my granddad had just passed two weeks prior. Right, so my granddad passed on September 6th. So, you know, so he had called. No, my aunt, because we had the cell phones and stuff. So the cell phone that I usually use and stuff, she had text that phone and told them to tell me to call my dad and stuff. So I called her like, auntie, what's going on? What the hell is that? She was like, just call your dad because he's going to be the only one who can control you and control you and all that. I'm like, man, what you talking about? She was like, just call the social, I call my dad. I'm talking to him like, what's going on? Everybody talking crazy, like, what's going on? So, he would talk to him and he was like, man, you know your granddad is up there with your mom now. I'm like, huh? And then, you know, when I thought about like what he was saying, I'm like, bro, you know, and me and him just sat on the phone and just cried together, you know what I mean? Wow. And now, so you lost your mama and your grandpa and your daddy. Yeah. In a year span. Within a year span. So you were locked up all the time. Mm-hmm. And so the whole time. Wow. So y'all got to you had you got him to console with you on that. But so so how does the news get to you about short and low? And I know people probably asking you these questions, but I just I just like the real bro. No, no, it's cool. So, um, so, um, it was it was a Wednesday. She said, she said, Timber 21st. I ain't never forget it. It was when my dad died. The commissary, Ashley. Yeah, September 21st. Yeah. The commissary actually come that day on the Wednesday. So the guy who ordered me some commissary, um, or whatever, he came to my dole and it was like five, six in the morning. So they they had already called us to go to breakfast, but I ain't go. So he came back like, low, low, bro, come to the door. I'm like, bro, man, what's up? So I hopped off the bump. So I popped the door. I'm like, bro, what's going on? He was like, bro, you ain't going to believe this. And I'm thinking he finna tell me, like, you know, he didn't get to go to store. So he didn't pay me this week or something like that. He was like, bro, yo dad, he died, he dead. I'm like, bro, what? I rubbed my eyes. You like, you'd have heard this stuff. You'd have heard all of these different transitions. Now this this is two weeks apart. Come on. So they're two weeks later. So I'm thinking, I'm like, bro, so I told him, I say, man, get the fuck away from under my dough, bro, you tripping. And I about to close the door and my other partner pulled up and gave me the cell phone. So I'm thinking like, damn, like they got to be real. So I'm going on. So on my call, my dad, mom and my dad, it's had picked the phone up. So she was like, hey, look, call up. But it's like five, six in the morning. I'm like, oh, man. So she's like, hey, what's up? So I'm like, bro, what's going on? And then she was like, um, I say, man, is it true or is it not true? She's like, it's true. And at that moment, I actually went numb. You know, I ain't never felt it before. Like I went numb. Like I ain't feel nothing. It's like, it's just like, I was more angry or pissed off or like, damn, like, what the hell? I'm like, oh, no, what's going on now? It's just like everything is like my mind spinning. But it's like, oh, get it. It's like, man, he gone. I feel like, man, that's the last thing I had left. You know, that's my mom, granddad. And now dad is like, I ain't really too much crushing about that one. You know, you know, because I was numb. I was just like, man. After all of that. After he done went through so much. And that's the crazy part because this is something that you can't, you can't, you got to write a book, brother. You got to write a book because it ain't, that ain't, that ain't something. That's not normal, bro. You know what I'm saying? But I look at God in the whole situation, how you said that you spoke to him not too long before that. And then with your mom, you talk to her every week. So you were able to talk to her on that. A lot of people in there and like wait months or, you know, and don't talk to their relatives and figure out that they just passed away. You were able to have that last conversation. You know what I mean? We was all close, you know. Before my mom passed, I got the news that I was coming home December, 2015. So, but I got that news like the early part of July. And she came and seen me the following week. And it's crazy cause like when I seen her, she has some blue, what's it called? I can kind of text in the eye. So it's on eyes blue and stuff. And I'm like, mom, I don't know if they got anything to do with it. But I'm like, mom, you know, you look like an angel or something like God is or something. Yeah. I'm like, I'm looking at you. So then when me and her was talking and stuff. And then the other people was having a visit too. And they was like, your mom is so beautiful. She looked like an angel and stuff. Wow. I was just like, yeah, man. I ain't never seen with these in the eyes or whatever it came in be. So it's like, only it's like, just think about that. It just like made me think about all that. Like, and I told her she looked like an angel then two weeks later, she became. Wow, that's dope, man. Like I said, your story is breathtaking, man. And just the way that you like say, I appreciate the story. Man, I appreciate you telling me what went down because that's something that like I said, it'll help somebody else that's going through it. Cause people going through it. You know, most of the black men are getting locked up. And a lot of them, you've seen how what the ratio was with us down there and ratio crazy, right? It's us down there. When you get there, you see like this way about it. This way about it. You know, another thing that when you were talking about when you found out that your mom had passed and you went and you just cried, you tear it up. We were interviewing somebody else who mom passed away while I think it was Aldi while he was in prison. And he said he couldn't cry because you had to stay tough in front of everybody. In front of everybody because you don't want to see him weak. But that's probably, and it's probably bad to say this, but that that's probably the best place that I could have been when all of that was happening because it made me be strong. So what he's saying is true, but it's like, I was trying to, you know, keep up my, but those guys, that group of guys, like us in that dorm, you know, it was us versus, you know, the police or the guards or whatever the case, you know, it's us. So we had that tight bond and I was cool with pretty much everybody in that dorm. So, you know, like when mom passed, like they was there, like they was just like, it wasn't really nothing nobody could say. And they knew it. And look at his weakness. That is like. Right, like, so, you know, but I ain't go out and just cry in front of my mom. Right, right, right. No, you had to go through your time on sorrow, man. And that had to happen, you know? Yeah. So like, so sometimes they'll just come in the room and just sit with me for like an hour or two, like, and nobody's saying nothing. That's dope. And, you know, and we just there. And I used to have the pictures, like pictures of my family. And I go through all the pictures of just her. And like, I can't believe this. Like, she right here, she smile, she happy, like, it's like she gone. Like, and he's driving me crazy, but he's just like, I don't know. I just felt like, I was like, man, she came to me in a dream one time. I ain't never gonna forget. And in that dream, I won a million dollars, look like a chick. So the people was like, you just won a million dollars and I seen her. And I dropped the chick. I was like, I don't care about them as much. I want you. And she say, no, you gotta be strong and stay strong, pick up that chick and take their money and whatever it can be. I was like, no, I ain't stand no chick. And it's like, in my sleep, like, I can feel her hug me. Like, I kind of felt her like over me. I've been there. And like, and it woke me up and I'm like, Teara, I'm like, I've been the same dream, exact same dream. I was like, damn, I just felt the hug, like, touch me. Like, it woke me out of my sleep. Yeah, me too. And just like, I felt the spirit. I was like, man. And I believe that dreams, all dreams have meanings. They all have a meaning. They all come to you for a reason. Maybe that time in your life, you needed that. Yeah, like her telling me to be strong, you know, cause it didn't really matter hearing it from anybody else. Nobody else but hearing it from her. It was like, okay, like, I can do this. Like, I can fight through it. And it's like, like doing that period of time, I was like, I ain't gonna lie. I was thinking about doing some crazy stuff. Like, I was like, I was just on go. But everybody in that dorm knew. So they was just like, you little bro, like, cause it was Sunday, like I'm telling you, like I didn't sleep. Like I probably get like a hour nap, wake up and I'm up all day. Yeah. Like I ain't eating. Like, it was like a whole, excuse me. It was like a whole week I ain't eat. Like people are like, bro, you gotta eat. You gotta do this. I'm like, bro, I ain't got no appetite. Like y'all, they was, some are like, bro, I get it. I lost a person like that person, but you gotta, you got them. You gotta shake it. Shake it. They was like, y'all, we don't mean it like that. Bro, you gotta take care of yourself. You know? That's what they would want. So let me ask you a question. Cause whenever, you know, of course, I'd never experienced what you've been going through or what you went through, but being locked up and hearing that, is it a case where, you know how you know it's true, but you really Don't want to hear it. In denial until you actually come out and see that she's really not there. Right there. And that's key. Cause it's like, you know, from being locked up and being in jail and prison and stuff. And you know, they really not really there anyway, but you can call every nine days. So it was just like, it was not, it was just like, okay, so I can't call her. So eventually that's what I made myself believe. Like, you know, so I just can't call her right now. Yeah. So God damn, so when I finally got home, you know. I wanted to talk about that, like coming home to a whole different situation than what you left. Right. How was that? I mean. Back into society. Like leaving, you know, and like, you know, I was locked up when I was 19. I got out when I was 22. So, you know, just leaving from that. Like I had both my parents. I had like a life. And your grandpa. Set up your granddad, you know, he played a big role in my life too. So it's just like coming back, you know, like when by the time I lost dad, I was already numb. So it's like it, nothing didn't faze me like no more. So I was like, I was just stone cold. Like, it's like, okay, it is what it is by that time. So by the time I came home, I was, I was happy to be home, but that's when it started hitting me like, like, damn, like, okay, like I'm expecting to come home. And these are the people that I want to see. They would embrace you. Yeah. They would like, like, we all could have grabbed each other and cried together. They would pick you up. Yeah. So, you know, but it was my brother, my girl that at that time, my brother girl and two of my aunts and stuff. So, um, so, um, when like, when they came and picked me up and I was walking out the gates and stuff, you know, I was happy to see them. And you know, it was like, damn, like, you know, I'm free, like, but it's like I'm free. And you know, my day ones, I ain't here on my day one out. Wow. So, so, you know, like I changed clothes. We went and got food and stuff. And, you know, they took me to the graves like to see my mom and I ain't gonna lie. I really didn't have no feeling. Like, Yeah. You already done went through so much. Like it's like, I was there. I looked at that ground for about two minutes. I was just like, all right. Come on. So I'm ready to go. And that was like, you good? I'm good. Cause my mind, I was, I was, my heart is, you know, Yeah. Stone cold. It was already stone cold. Cause I had to lose that. I wouldn't know. So shit. Out of that, I'm like, I'm, I'm good. Like don't, nothing faze me. But after being home for a period of time, the, that's when it started hit. It started affect you. Like it's like, oh shit. Like, bro, they really not here. Like they really gone or, or this and that. And then that's when a little envy started to kick in. Like, cause I see people older than me. 40s and 50s. Is that they parents? They parents. Sound familiar? I'm, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, why me? Like, you know, the default old and they got, they parents, they parents still here. And the first thing that everybody do is blame God. No, I'm not. I ain't blame. I'm just like, why me? You know, I'm like, I'm like, I ain't never been no bad person on my parents. When bad people, you know, we help people. We love people. We, you know, my dad, my mom didn't laugh people. I'm just like, why? So, you know, and I see kids. She with they parents and stuff and babies and stuff. You know, I ain't like that. I'm like, well, what the, well, I'm like, and crazy thoughts start going through my head. Like, you know what I say, I, I, I, I really just want people to see how I feel. I was, I was like, I want to do some, do some to everybody. So everybody can see how I feel. You know, what you feeling? Yeah. But, you know, but eventually I snapped out of it. What changed your mind from all of that? Okay. You know, after being home for a certain period of time, my girl at that time, you know, me and her, she was, you know, she was with me. So, you know, she was trying to pick me up, help me find jobs, do this and do that. Like she was basically taking care of me. But as, as all of the reality started to hit me, I started being more bad, like evil towards her. Like, like I talked down on her, you know. Like, like this and that. And I was making her feel bad. And I was tearing her down as a woman. And she wasn't trying to do that. Because you would hurt me. I would hurt her and, you know, and she was always around. So it's like this energy was just, you know, draining her. You could go to her. So eventually, you know, she left. And once she, you know, that would probably be the best thing that ever happened to me. Because once she left, I was like, I can't lose nobody else close to me. And it made me change. And it basically made me change my mindset, my points of view, the ways I see life, the way that I see people, the way that I move. And it just made me be more positive, you know, and just grind, you know, and just get what I want. Because it's like having her and she was doing everything for me. It's like she was your crush. Right. So when she left, I just had to follow all the way down. Right. Then get back up. Let me ask you about the dream. You had a dream, you say that you needed to start rapping. Was that your father came to you? Right. Yes. So how long was that after you had gotten home? It was a long time after? Yeah. Because I got home in 2016. And recently, November, November 23rd of 2020, I got locked up for Violetion Probation. Okay. So January the 4th, January the 5th, I had court. My dad came to me to January the 4th. And he was like, man, get the music 100%. You gonna make it. He say, but you got to give it 100%. He say tomorrow. This year, January. So he was like, tomorrow, you not going home. But when you go, make sure that you get the music 100%. You gonna make it. And I'm gonna put the pieces around you to make it. But you ain't gonna make it just because you my son, you got to give a hundred just like everybody else. And you know, so the next day came and I didn't go home. So I ended up coming home, February the 12th, if I'm not mistaken. So I already, you know, I was dibbing and dabbing with the music before I had got locked up. Make some songs or make a song. And I didn't really put it out because before, back in 2017, my brother was rapping. I ain't never rapped before. I ain't never thought about rapping. So I was trying to manage him. And it was basically like just losing pops did something different to him. And you know, he was burning a lot of bridges. I'm like, I'm like, hell no. I was like, you know, we're losing our opportunities. We still got to live out here. And there's people that just want to help us, but you flipping out and you doing this now. I'm like, no, I say, I say, bump that shuffling around. But at that time, I wasn't good. And I knew that I wasn't good. I honestly, I still don't feel like I'm good now, but people think I'm good. I like it. I listen to the songs that you have released. So at that time, you know, the people around me was like, yeah, bro, you shot a little song. You can just put out anything. So I'm like, I ain't even put out on anything. I was like, no, but then the people that I, you know, got to say expected, you know, to help me and groom me was the same people who was around that and who was helping him. And you know, and nobody wanted to help me. So, and then, you know, like I was doing like crazy stuff. Like I was so dedicated and I had my mind made up that the music was the way I was going to do. Like I'll spend my last to Uber to the studio to pay for the pay for a studio session and not have a way home. Like I ain't know how I was going to get back home. I was like, man, so I call somebody and be going on my call line and somebody finally come pick me up and take me back to the house. So, so, so it got to that point to where I was just like, okay, so my uncle stunt, he got like a studio in his apartment. So, you know, I was going over there and I was asking people to show me how to record myself. Like just show me the button to push to make it got them record me and then I can stop it. And would you believe that nobody didn't even want to show me how to do that? Yeah, that's what called it. That's just God just making you stronger the whole while. Cause you, you know, once he teaches some and show you some, ain't nobody can take it from you. And there may be some unique way you want you to do it. And it was crazy. Like I can't believe nobody wouldn't come in there and show me how to push a button to record myself cause I ain't had the money to keep overing and paying for studio time. And I'm like, I'm not really good. So I read the practice over here and you know, and do this nobody didn't want to show me how to push a button. So, you know, I was like the people that I expect to support me, they ain't helping me. And then, and then the people that I don't really care about they telling me to put out anything. So I fell back from the music. Yeah, I was like, you know, and I ain't, I ain't doing it. So I mean I got me a job and I did sales and marketing and stuff. And I did good and that, but I broke my foot and I couldn't work and I lost my job and stuff. And I went through a whole spiel with doing that. So, so then, so then afterwards, afterwards, that's when I got a lot of the front violation probation. I was actually finna move into the house that I'm in now. And I went down to change my paperwork over and they locked me up, told me that I had a warrant. So, so dad came in the dream, he told me that I got out, I was working on music, but I was still kind of nervous. I was like, man, I don't want to put on no bullshit, but I wanted people gonna like it. And one of my dad partners, he said, play something. And I played my song out now, the single. The Bricks. Bricks, I played Bricks. He say, man, he started, he say, man, you tripping. He say, man, you better put this out. He was like, man, the people gonna go out and won't you, but it's on. And he was like, and you say that you ain't never rap before, you know? He was like, well, you lying to me. He was like, well, there's good music right here. So, man, he actually made that cover that's on my Instagram now. Yeah. And I think if I'm not mistaken, I dropped Bricks April the 24th. And it's been up since then. Man, I see you on different platforms, man. The interviews, the people that's embracing you. I just like the whole movement. I think it's something else. They need to do a growing up hip hop and throw you on that thing somewhere that you get that money, all counterweights, because it's there for you. You know what I mean? Doors are gonna open, man. And you just gonna have to be prepared to go with it. Like that 100% thing, your daddy write about that. Anything you do, you gotta give it all. Don't do it at all. So what other feels you would like to branch out into because I know you're doing the music. In the shirts. In the shirts, but I know being a brand, you might want to do movies, you might want to do a book and this different things. Have you thought about any of those? Yes, actually, I actually started my own label, D4WEL Reloaded. So I basically started that because I felt like I ran into some bad business. So people were just trying to tell me, I can give you this amount of money, I can get you on birthday bass, Coachella, Matt Gellar, you know, just all types of stuff. You know, my instinct was telling me like, nah, these four cap and the way that it can be. But they gave me the paperwork and I was trying to wait to see if they can get me on the, which one came first? Um, birthday bass came up first. So, you know, I ain't signed on paperwork or none. And until I see like they can do what they say they gonna do. So when birthday bass was coming up, I seen all the other artists posting, like Flyers and doing this and doing that. And I'm asking them, like, where my eyes at? Like, where the paperwork at the contract? So we can see what's going on and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he was like, yeah, man, it's on the way the radio station is doing it. Okay, cool, but I ain't signed on paperwork anyway. So like about a week or so before birthday bass came up, he was like, man, they gave away the slide and did all this and that, man. I'm on the phone with him now. I was like, you know what? Versus me trying to look to get signed, I'll start my own label and I'll sign on it myself. And then I can help people because I know I'm 100. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know, I ain't trying to get over on nobody or do nothing to nobody. I didn't want to see people win. And like I tell the people around me, I can't promise nobody success, but I can promise you an opportunity to create your own line and do whatever it is you want to do and help change your future and your family's future. I can promise you success. And it's only right because that's the same way your pops were. So you want to make sure that you give yourself every opportunity to create that lane so that you know what I mean? So you'll be able to help more people. The more people you can help, the better off it is, you know? So man, I appreciate you, man. Is there anything else you got to ask? Oh, that's it. Hey man, how can people get a hold of you, man? Man, you can follow me on IG that's shawtylo, underscore Junior, that's shawtylo, underscore JR. You can find my music on all platforms. Wherever they have music, you can find my music. My singles out right now, shawtylo, Junior. Brits, shawtylo, Junior. I'm with it. Shawtylo, Junior, featuring Skoolie. That's the one I've seen, too. Every time. Yeah. That'll go hard. Every time. I forgot to ask you top three artists of all time. Any genre. My top three. Number one. Number one is Future. I ain't gonna lie, so I love Future. Love Future. Future. Number two. Drake. Number 30. Dad. Hey, man, that's dope, man. Hey, man, we love you, brother. Thank you so much. We appreciate you for coming on the show. Yes, sir. I have one more. Oh, you got another question? Okay, another one. Don't let that man go. So if you had to go back and advise a young man, say about 16 years old, who about to face some time in prison, you know what I mean? Say, even face eight years, because when you go in there- You say eight like that ain't a lie. That's a lie, man. Yeah, that's a lie. You ain't anything good. But when you're facing eight, I don't mean you're gonna do the whole eight. You might not get that. Depends on the state you in. Right. But, and he left with his mom and dad there, you never know what might happen in life. How could you advise him what to face coming up? You really can't. You know, cause his life is gonna be different from mine and the things that he might experience and feel it's gonna be different from what I felt. And I got into experience. And the people around him, I don't know how they'll try to help them and guide them. The only thing I can say is you like, you like eventually, once you had time to grieve, you just gotta know what you want out of life and go get it. Like at that time, I ain't know what I wanted. You know, like before my dad passed me and him was talking and I was telling him that I'm gonna come out and help him start businesses and his restaurant and finish writing his book and starting the movie. Like me and him had plans and had goals. And you know, and that just got shattered. He left. So I didn't know what I was gonna do. You know, and when, and when I got out and I came home, you know, and I had to stay with my aunt and her dude. And eventually he put me out. So I was homeless for a while. I was living here, living there. And you know, I'm shot a little son. He fall like, well, yeah, you shot a little son. You scraped. You know what I mean? I'm like, nah, I scraped. You don't work like that, do it. You know what I mean? But it was just like that. But it was like, I just had to stay rooted and grounded. It was like my pride and my ego didn't let me go under. I was like, you know, I really can't be, you know, like this, like, because I just got pride in me. Like I ain't finna be homeless. I'm not finna do it in a little head. No, so I'm gonna go get it. You know, so I found jobs. And so, you know, I ain't really have no pride in that sense of, I can't work, you know, my first job, I was making 725 hours. And you know, so then that ain't really nothing when you got bills, you got this, you got that, you got to provide for yourself. That ain't nothing. But you know, I like, I had learned how to manage money, how to live better, be like consistent and beat and like tell myself, you know, it's some stuff that I can't do. And that's okay. See, your dad told you in the dream that you got to get it on your own. Right. You can't, and that's a good thing, you know, because I've heard of so many famous rappers who passed on and wasn't able to leave their kids anything. And their kids are not in a great situation right now, except from just having that name. And you have a lot of mean people out there who will say, oh, but you such and such son, you shouldn't be, you know, what you doing working here? What you doing doing that? You know, they expect you to have money, to be living good off of your dad's name, or you know what I mean? People, people have said that, you know, and you know, and I just tell them, you know, it should be real. That's him on me, you know, so I'm grinding and I'm doing my own thing. You know, so I feel like I need to work on my work. So some work and I'm doing that. And I love that, that, that, that. I like it. Let's go. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. Dope interview, man. It's been another great segment of Boston 101. And we out.