 Welcome to ToppyTV, it's The Final Word, we're joined by Sarah to discuss the shit show that was yesterday's performance against West Ham. Did anyone not think Jarmalenko scored in the yesterday by the way? I just wish I'd put the bet on. Yeah. Because I literally, like I was just saying to you guys before, done a little thing with West Ham, the YouTube channel previewing the game. And I was like, Jarmalenko terrorised us three years ago. He was nailed on to sign for us about twice, never happened. He's done nothing for them. He's going to come to Goddison and he's going to get a goal. You know, and he happened to get two didn't he? There's nothing more certain in the world than Jarmalenko's scoring bats. No. He's still got damn awful, but he scored goals when he scored, he's Billy Lettanoff, nobody left foot and doesn't do anything else in the game, but he scored two goals. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have minded any of our plays being that shit yesterday and scoring two goals. Yeah, of course. But not to be. No, done. Yeah, done. It's come on. Our plays did, didn't they? Yeah, obviously, the build up to the game, we were all very fearful of what the team was going to be. And in a way, I wish we had half of our team out yesterday because it would have justified a performance. But I was in a way, we have got half of the team out in key areas. Let's not forget that. But I mean, that doesn't excuse the players you play because they were all pretty poor. There's a couple of, you know, half positives, but I'm not going to go overboard about them either. Obviously, John Joe came in for Seamus Coleman. No matter what he's saying, when everyone says, oh, you know, Seamus had a good start to the season and he has had a poor start to the season. Maybe we need to see John Joe. I think this is a bit of a reality check. Yeah. So that, obviously, Sniadlin played, which is fair enough after the week he's had. But, you know, we were, we were, we had a pretty strong looking team out. There's not too many excuses, but again, I thought we started the game. Okay, move the ball. Okay. And then one lapse of concentration and Westammer in and the winning. And it's just, it's just that thing again of different manager, different players. And yet the same mentality that just seems to run through is like it's a bar of rock. And I just, I don't know what it is. It's infuriating. Sorry. Yeah. It's totally infuriating to see because like he said, I think that first 10 minutes before they score, we started all right. We certainly looked like the side that was more, more likely. But before the game, I think we all felt that if they were to take the lead, you know, we might be in a little bit of trouble. And the fact that they did with basically their first chance of the game and the ease in which they cut through us, it's almost like we don't have a midfield either. There are a few passes on the counter and they're away. Our defence was yet again, absolutely shocking, non-existent. And they score. Of course, it's that Manuel Mlenko to put them up a little cut across from Arnautovic. And it's a, it's pretty well a tapping for him. And they're away. And from that moment, honestly, it just felt like, and you could see the headstrap, then the fans, their fans are up for it. Our fans are, ah, and it begun then. And it felt like it was only going to continue in, in that manner. And it did, but yeah, shocking defensively. Can't keep giving teams the lead you keep. Just gold. The last two home games. Yeah, gold. I mean, the last two home games, you've gone behind. We did start, well, we'd had three, three shots in the first couple of minutes. You know, they got a block in. And what we want to do, we'd last one just wide. We'd, you know, garner that a shot. And it was like, we picked up the pace. And they were just, they looked there for the take-ins. I thought, if we get the first goal, they're going to be real run right. Because they were all, they'd be walking. They didn't look like they were a team. And they give, we give them such a simple, basic goal. You know, we give the ball away on the edge of their box. It's knocked up to, and out of it. White hole gate, let them run, I'll never know. Zoom is stops, because he thinks, he's trying to play him offside. Pickford stops instead of coming out and getting him. And you want down. And then, you know, and then we almost did what we did the other week against Huddersfield. Luchas Dean gave us really well walks past the ghost of Yarnalline Bout. Puts in a brilliant ball, and Jen Towson's three-and-four yards out. No one near him. He's got the score. He had to start in one-one. It changes the complex of the game. But he misses an absolute shitter. And then from then, it just, it just went from bad to worse. Yeah. It's another poke. I mean, the first goal, it's just poor. I mean, as you mentioned there, you know, both centre-backs have got to do better for me. But it's where we lose the ball out, where we lose it. We lose it in midfield. There's a turnover in midfield. And suddenly, the opposition on the counter-attack, and we don't look like we've got the ability to get back. Luchas Dean has half way up the pitch. You know, he's in an advanced position, because that's where he's been. That's his job in the team. That's his role. He's advanced. You can't be given the ball away so cheaply in midfield. When, you know, when we are the way we are... I think both couldn't get back the way we give the ball away. You know, Dean, you wouldn't expect him to get back, because it was so far up the pitch. But then on the other hand, I would expect Zuma in a foot race against an out of it to beat him quite consistently. He left himself two yards, because when that ball went over the top, instead of concentrating on what you're supposed to do, when you're to defend it, which is to defend, he hesitates, because maybe he might be offside. No, lad. You've got 30 yards to go. You'll catch him. Because he does almost catch him. Well, that's why Anatovic has to give the pass at the end. But then I think you're right what you said about Pickford. I think Pickford should have come up, because Pickford then... I know a lot of people... I suppose if Pickford comes out and he thinks it over the top, people will say, but when you stay in your line, he might have caught him. So it is that 50-50 situation. So you've got to play it as you can, and Anatovic has got a lot of room to run into there and a lot of choices. And it's just so... I can't understand why. Again, Mason Hoggates, I'm going to talk about this for the third goal. He just lets players go by him so easily without... He doesn't... Again, we talk about this. We spoke about this a lot. It's about sniffing out the danger. Maybe it's something you get with experience. But knowing that... Anatovic, he's actually... He's quicker than what you think he is. He's a... He's... It's not a... I don't think it's a... You know, it's like a lightning speed. But he's got... He's very quicker thoughts as well. And his movement's really, really good. And for the first goal and the third goal, Hoggates just let them waltz pass them because Hoggates is so fixed on one thing. And Anatovic is gambling on another thing. And it's... It's poor, but... For me, it comes from that midfield area where we lose the ball, where we continue to lose the ball. I mean, the pass... The pass! Garnet! If you watch it again... Garnet fizzes one into Towson. And it's not a very good ball. And Towson's got a man behind them, and it bounces off Towson. And that's where the ball becomes... They break the ball. Because... And that's... I mean, Garnet's probably been told, get a four, get a four. But where he's trying to... What he's trying to hit, I don't... He doesn't take any care of his passing. I don't know, he's just... He doesn't take care of his passing. No, it was shocking yesterday. His performance yesterday was shocking. I'm struggling to think of a single pass that he completed. And it's like he'll win the ball, but... It's great all that. Yeah. You know, me to you is... The problem is... But anything further ahead... No, the problem with Garnet, yes, he was. The ball just kept on falling too. Because that's where he was playing. That's his roller. No, I know, but what I mean is, though, he was playing in that, like, number eight role. And he's not a number eight. Yeah. Is he a six? Well, I think he can be more of a... He's more of a six than he is of an eight. But when I asked you last week, you were going... No, but he's not... What I mean, but what I said to you was, we're playing with, like, two sixes and a ten. Yeah. Where yesterday he showed, again, how much we miss a number eight in the scene, how we miss a player. I mean, well... Who told me we'd have had Tom Davis? I know, it's not necessarily Tom... Tom is still shy of that job. But what I'm talking about is, though, is that, in the field at the moment, we've got Sigarton playing at number ten. And the ball never seems to reach him. Because he's so high up. I mean, the mark difference to me yesterday with Sigarton was, when we went to 4-4-2, how much more of the ball he got. Now, he didn't use it as well as he should have, but he got a lot more of it. And that showed the mark difference. So we need to find... I mean, we've referred to this loads of times with last season. When Rooney played in that role, he was getting the ball to Sigarton a lot more because he's a good passer of the ball. Forget about all the other problems that he has when he was in that role. You know, if he lost the ball then you knew you were on a fight. But when he had the ball, when he took care of the ball, he always got it into Sigarton on that left-hand side coming into the centre. How long have you played that best football? Yeah, it was. And that's what we're missing in this team. While we play this structure, while we play this 4-5-1, or whatever you want to call it, it just doesn't get into Sigarton enough and there's not enough going between the lines. And until we get a proper number eight in there who can move the ball between those two lines, we're always going to struggle in formation. I think Sigarton causes us a problem. Well, he does because he doesn't naturally fit the way we want to play because he's either too far up the pitch and can't get the ball. Too slow. Yeah. Well, he is, but there's players out there I think who are equally as slow, but they get on the ball in better areas. Don't get me wrong, I like him. But they get on the ball in better areas. I just think for me just looking at it yesterday, Towson's going to play that in the middle and the Charleston's available. I would play Sigarton alongside Garnet. But that's what I'm saying. Or Snadlin. Could Sigarton be an eight? Well, that's what he is. Well, he is not a ten. People go, he's a ten. He's not a ten because a ten has to be able to move around that area and he can't move. He's so slow. But he works so hard. His delivery is fantastic and he can pick a pass. But I think the problem for me with Everton is we've got to centre fireworks. He's confident he's on the floor. Doesn't look like he's going to get a goal. You've got a midfield that doesn't work and anyone expecting it to work. This is why we talked in the summer about stuff. Remember when we were sat in the Valencia game and you went, we're going to have loads of these. These three twos and it'll be either way. It'll be for us one week for them to know because it'll go back to the same thing as Cumin had and back to the same thing as Aladise had and Underweight had. The midfield three aren't good enough. They're all individually good players but as a make-up of three, it doesn't work and I don't even think two of three of them works. I really don't. And Andre Gomez is going to have to be like Javier Lonson to make this midfield work because I think we need another, and this is what I wanted in the summer, another number six. And like you say, Sigarton, I just don't think he's mobile enough to play in the tenor. I think he, him as one of three midfielders, I think works because I think he works so hard and he's good on the ball and he's committed and he will naturally get forward and join in but I think he's too static in that role of Towson and I don't. I think if we had, like Lukaku said, I think Sigarton could play ten easily because Rom was at the pace and we could get the ball. Jen can't run. No. You know, blessing me. He'll try. You can't run. The ass has gone back again. Oh, he has. He's gone ways. And Calderlumans not ready. No way in the Premier League ready. For me, nowhere near it. There's no what runs to make. He does not for the thing. Jumps and wins the other. That's it. Anyone, any big lad can do that. So the way we're set out with the players we've got, Guilfee doesn't work there. So for me, he has to drop back into, into one of our midfield players. I think. No, I agree because I was saying when he was, when we were playing, when we played a two in midfield, I thought he was a lot better. Yeah, he was. He was on the ball. He got on the ball but he was deeper. Now, it's like the route. It's exact. But it looks like it. It's like a mirror of Wayne last year. Last season, yeah. When Wayne dropped back and got on the ball, you went, I want to go play it again. Yeah, you want to pass, yeah. But that's the problem. We don't have anyone in midfield who takes care of the ball now. No. And because the ball doesn't get to see it, and then he just drifts through the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is it. And he's anonymous for large parts again. Yeah, I agree. You know, it's like we've, he's our, you know, we signed him last summer to be this huge integral part of the side. And he just hasn't fulfilled that yet. But I don't think it's really concerning to see. I think it's because we haven't built the right team. You know what? And this might sound stupid. People might laugh or go, don't be silly about it. But you know where I'm playing at the moment? Center forward. But yeah. Well, he is, he can't play. And I'll tell you why. He can't play. Because he's dead intelligence. Or the one with two fast players now. Because hey, I think, I'm not writing social enough. No way. No. I'm really not. It's confidence. He's not there. And center forwards rely on confidence. They rely on goals. He's six games in. He hasn't scored a goal. I've got a feeling. The goal's going to go. He hasn't scored. So it won at 12 games, hasn't he? Exactly. So the goal's going to be that big at the moment. Yeah. Like Saturday was the fit. Sorry, Sunday was the first game. I would say where he's missed. Guilted. Chances this season. The other he should have buried. The one when we had three against two. Yeah. And the one in the second, that he blazes, oh, with no one there. And that's the way. If he hits the target and Fabianci saves, you're fair enough. But he didn't. You've got to hit the target, haven't you? Got to. That's the way. My card alone is not the answer. So forget that. And the ass definitely isn't the answer. He doesn't take care of the ball. He's running and all that. But he doesn't take care of the ball. Where Guilfe, I think, is very clever. He's big. The header was absolutely fantastic. Oh, it's a fantastic goal. You can see a pass. And I think if you had wall cut on the Charleston, running in behind him, I think, and he had linked the play. When he played in Leon, he was brilliant. But again, he's another one. His little drop ball. I was going to say, isn't that the danger? is that Towson has started to drop 10 yards. But who would you play with? With Charleston. I'd play with Charleston, but I've been watching Bernard yesterday, right? Yeah. I played with Charleston. He's from Monmouth and Bernard on Twitter the other day, obviously. What he shared was, you go player, but I feel sorry for whoever has to play behind because he doesn't do anything. What? I thought he was probably the only positive that we had yesterday. Yeah, I think he was. I chose you that many. I thought, I thought, I thought Bernard was took care of the ball. He was at the goal. You've watched our goal in six months. You've watched our goal. You've watched our goal, he's part of the link-up play, but he moves the ball and he moves so effortlessly. He's just instantly reminded Pino a piece. Yeah, yes. Instantly reminded. And what I thought straight away was, especially watching them, was that him and Diné could strike up a partnership there. But I don't see, and this sounds strange, but I see with Charleston as a more individual player, that Diné will have to... You know, Diné... He's not going to knock it in and get it back. If Diné runs past them, he ain't going to get it, but then again, with Charleston, I'll probably do more going backwards. But I just think that what we've seen from the Brazil game suddenly gives us food for football with Charleston. Can he do that in the Premier League? But we don't know, do we? Let's be honest. But can he play that in the middle? Now that there's an option on the left. Absolutely. Can he keep the opposition interested? Can he make the opposition go, oh, God, this fella can go over the top? Will he come, Tani? And therefore, we've got a react by going 20 yards further back, which means that the whole of the event team can step up. Can he keep, can he have it into his feet though and protect it? But then you look at that and go, do you want it into his feet or do you want it over the top? He's very good, yeah. The way we play though, we're not going to bang it over the top. The other thing about it is that will he move into channels that opens up space for someone like Sigurdsson to run through it? Because I think at the moment, one of our big problems is, is that we rely heavily on coming from wide areas. We don't go through the middle of the path at all. Because Jens Olsen doesn't get into positions where he can run off the centre back, which opens up the space to slip one into him. Very rarely does that happen. So we need someone with that kind of movement who's pulling people left out. And I think that's just an option. I think that's one positive that we've got at the moment, that there are a few of these little options that we can try. It's just whether the manager feels... That he will. What, you know, is he going to just stick with what he's got, or is he going to go now? This is an evolution. This is, we're going to progress with some of these players, maybe not all in these positions. But I thought, but I'd just give us food for thought because I just, he got on the board. I said he got on the board, it was effortless. He wins fargs for fun. Yeah. So there's one way I think he went up against, was it Yamalenko and Yamalenko was beating, I beat him to the ball and all he does is run into the back of him, falls over, gets the farg, gets up, get on with the game. So he uses the fact that he is small in a clever way. He's fast as anything over the ground. Yeah, I thought he was fantastic yesterday. As soon as he come on, he made an impact. His touch, his effortless, like he gets round players so easily, it's like the balls glued to his feet. And that one down the left where he kind of flicks it was it passed Yamalenko and he's away. And like he said, winning the three kicks as well because he is that small, that he's, it's not diving. He's gonna go over if someone goes into and he's gonna, and he's so tricky for the opposition to deal with that he's gonna win us loads of free kicks. And then we've got people like Dean inside, we've got Sigurdsons who we know have got good delivery. So I think he's someone that, yeah. And if there's any positives to take from yesterday, it's that Bernard looks like he's got a touch of class about him. Obviously, you know, it's only just over 45 minutes that we've seen him play, but I think he's gonna be good. And again, brings us more options. Like you said, maybe that gives recharging the freedom to play as a centre forward. But I just think, yeah, we need, I'm fully behind Marco Silva. You know, I'm not, I'm not feeling any of this stuff where people are like, it's not good enough. He's, and bringing up all his past stuff of Watford and Hall, like come on. Yeah, we're all very frustrated. We should be on at least 12 points. We're on six out of five games against, you know, sides that should be beaten. Yeah, we should be beating these sides. So yeah, I'm disappointed. I'm frustrated. My concern, but I've got faith in him. But my concern with Silva is like you've just said, Ped, is his reluctance sometimes to change things. And I think, is he gonna mix it up? Is he gonna look at changing formations to fit what we've got at the time? Or is he gonna just ride through with this until it starts to come good? Cause at the end of the day, like my leading goals, left, right and centre. We've won that, though. It's, you're almost become, not you, just fans in general. You're almost become contradictory. Cause last season, we were all saying we won a manatee with a plan. So if a manatee's got a plan, he's got a way of playing. But if it's not a way, he's got a way of playing. What's six games? It's the first game he's lost. Yeah. No one was more disappointed than, I wouldn't speak for everyone. I was very disappointed. Can you feel that the game before? It was frustrating, but the both games we've had, we've outshot the opposition. We've out-passed the opposition. We've had all of the ball. We've just been, but at the end of the day, he's not a miracle worker, is he? No, no, no. So he's come in with, with what is he? He's been in the job two months, whatever. It was six league games in, you know, five league. How many games have we played? About the six, yes. Five league games. Five league games. We've played five league games. We've lost one game. All right, we haven't been great, of course, but like you said, we could have had 12 points. We've had two way games with 10 men that we should have won both the games, even with the 10 men. At home, there's been more of an issue. We struggled, we were great in the first half against Southampton, and they scored, we wobbled, but we held on. Huddersfield, we should have won the game, but we did, we did enough now, hence why we didn't win it. Yesterday, we've still had well more chances than them, and been beaten comfortably, because they have four attempts on target and scored three goals. And we never looked like we were going to score. You know, obviously Guilfee does great with the header, but it just felt like that, with Cenk the way he's playing, Dominic Calvert-Lewian as well. Well, they actually hit in the trash bar for three yards out. I know. And that was at a time where you think, if you get one there, you know what, it's like the fans get going, they wobble. Well, we've got one just after, I mean, it's funny, no? Well, let's talk about the second goal, because the second goal, you're chasing, you're behind in the game, and it's like, right, we need to get our heads together. These are there for the taking, they are. You know, as well as they play, because they play well, you can't, you know, knock on the city and go, they were crap on me. They play well. It's just that when you look at that team, I look at their side and I'm like, seeing someone go, they've got much better players than I was looking, thinking, there's not many I'd take out of this side at all. And that's probably it. Yeah, yeah, there's no one else there. I liked Anderson, I thought he played, well, I thought he, I thought he tormented, he was up against the kid. I don't think he'd have had that much joy, you know, he was like to be eating it, I don't think he'd have had that much joy. But you looked at them and they knew, they kind of grew into the game of the leading, but we gifted them, and then the second goal, what Pickford's trying there is just ridiculous, because he's putting it into an area, which is eight, crowded, and B, it's 50-50, he's passed the ball to Dean Ye, which is just embarrassing. Dean Ye's had to make the tackle, but even after that, we should have done better. You know, he picks it up, yeah, Malenco, because he's on no pace, he doesn't directly run away, because Lucas Dean Ye actually gets back goal side on. So instead of showing him outside, we show him into the thing where his strength is, which is inside. Why let him on his left side? But one of them should have gone and engaged him. Well, that happens with the second and the third goal. There's no, there's no intensity to win the ball. Zuma tries to stand them up, and then Dean Ye does the same, and you think, one of you's has got to engage the ball, one of you's has got to be the first person, because he's brilliant, we all know he's brilliant on his left foot, that's his major asset. And yet you've both let him come inside, where one of you should just be going, if one pushes him, right, and then he makes a movement, then that allows some, so look at in the second half, and Cavill even gets down on the left, and he cuts inside on the right, and one of them makes the move, and one of them forces him to go a little bit further out, and then another one comes over, and they're not actually, all they're doing is making him go, where he doesn't want to go without touching him, and it's a pressing group mentality, and this happens with the second goal and the third goal, so he whips it in, and it's two-nil, and then look at the third goal, we lose it in midfield, again. There's six players around the kid who passes in, it'll be on, plays it in, and out of it goes on the blind side of making Holgate, but again, look at him, Zoom is facing him, and Zoom does not press him, he does not, not one of them thinks, right, I'll go in here and make, because if one of them comes over, and forces him some way, doesn't want to go, then another one can come over, and another one can come over, he lands, slide the ball through, Holgate doesn't see him running on the blind side, and John Joe Kenny's on the other side of the pitch, having a signal or something, he's got no idea what he's doing, and the gaps, like, I put on my Twitter before, and someone put a bus in the gap, that's how big it is, I'm not being funny, but that kid, right, I thought he was all right, going forward yesterday, and I'm not one that will slide young kids off, everyone knows that, but you're told, as a kid, school grab, fucking school, yeah, at school, school boy, whatever, whatever places in schools, when you play football, if something's on the other side, and you're a fullback, or even a winger, you're told to shift inside, you're all told to shift inside, so that if the ball's on the right, the left back can engage, the centre back becomes the left back, the centre back comes across, and you, and then the midfielder, comes around to become the fullback almost, that's how it's supposed to be, okay, maybe our right wing is too far up the pitch, but John Joe Kenny, he's actually not, whole-guys. Yeah, well, well-cuts, like, if you actually play it on, well-cuts ends up, really, probably, he should move to where Kenny is, because Kenny should be... As soon as that ball breaks, Kenny should be based on a goal, to get to that penalty spot, absolutely based on a goal, and when you see the ball, he's just standing on the other side of the box, going like that, and that to me is basic stuff, and that's, I mean, that's just one of the problems with that goal, but whole-guys, again, let someone just get the blind side, the only match marker. Now, if there's another defender fit next week, whole-guys out the team for me, no matter if he's played himself out the team, his last-year performance, he's been absolutely bullied, won by a decent centre forward. I'll play back next week. No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't. I'm playing anyway. John Joe will be out for me. But anyway, same as we were all legally in the team next week. Well, maybe, but I just think if we go to Arsenal with John Joe, I'll play back, he'll get this right. So Mason just lets them go round the back and Analtavitch is in, and it's both goals. There's no pressure on the ball. There's no one engaging. There's no one saying to the centre forward, no, you're not just doing what you want here. Even Mason all-guys, as soon as Analtavitch, you smell Analtavitch on your back, you get in between them. So that ball literally just drifts back to the goalkeeper or whatever. You get yourself in here. Analtavitch would have done better. I don't know. I don't know is the answer, because I'm not a goalkeeper. I'm not. They're also unavoidable. The goals, like you said, it's basic stuff. It reminds me of, you know, if you're playing feet or pears for you guys, if you're playing feet or pears and like, I used to do this against my little sister, she'd want to play. So I wouldn't want to be harsh and beat her. So I'm like that, but I'm not actually doing anything with the remote. And so you're like that, your players, and you're just letting them get on and they score. That's what it's like watching Everton. It's like, you go on then, go on then. You know, get that positive answer. Oh, they've scored again. It's just so easy and it is basic stuff. At that stage of the game now, if we took, if we got the equaliser, we would have gone on and won it. Would have gone on and won it. And that's just because West Armour purely playing counter-attack football. That's what they played all day and it worked for them and fair enough. But at that stage, two on behind, you know, 60th minute, if we'd scored, I think we would have gone on and won. But it's just, how can you, how can you let things like that happen? I think Moise said, I think Moise must have been in the studio and he said something like, he said something like, I'd be very worried about setting up a team with, with that defence or something like that. And when you look at it on paper, he's absolutely right. You've got a young kid at right back, got another young kid at centre back. You've got Zuma, who's on loan, finding his feet at centre. And you've got a left back who likes to play further up the pitch. So, he's absolutely right. And we said this last week, I think, after the Huddersfield game, I didn't understand why Zuma didn't, Holgate didn't swap after the first goal. I know why Zuma didn't just go, I'll take him. That happens every bit, I'll take him. You get over there. Do you know what I mean? And go on man for man with an ultimate in bullying because Zuma doesn't get bullied. I think we're, I think we're, I don't think, I think we're naturally lacking at the moment some, some leadership in the team. Look at all of them. No, we're not taking responsibility. But that's what I'm saying. The land play is in there, who do that? You know... Richard Alisson does. No, I know, what I mean is that it's, it's, it's having that player at, it's having that alpha at centre back who will grab, grab all the... I didn't mean it will. Yeah. That's what we're hoping, I mean. We're hoping to pray in this, you haven't mean it. I just want the second come in here, isn't it? No, but it's just, you just get someone in the middle of the defense, he's massive. That's what I'm saying. It's just go, you know what? This is what we're either away, we snap people. Zuma for his size, he doesn't also strike me as someone who's very assertive, someone who's going to go, lads, we play on my line and I'm going to, I'm going to go out and win this header and everything. And I'm going to make, and I'll switch, run through for the first goal, go, no, I'm just going to do you, forget about the offside, tap or whatever it's on the player, I'm just going to make sure I win that ball. That's what, that's what for me, top quality centre backs do. They abandoned what might have been told to them because they do what they feel is right. They defend, yeah, yeah, yeah. They do what they know is right. And I think that's what we, we're completely lacking in this, in this defence at the moment. Ding Yei is brilliant going forward. I think he's, I think he's okay at left, I actually defend him. I don't think he's brilliant, but he's, he's good going forward. And, but he doesn't strike me. He's so laid back, he doesn't strike me. He's not, he's not someone who's going to start kicking off at anyone, he's, he's just strikes me. So, you know, you've got a kid on the other side, he's not, Hallgates, they're sort of the same in it. I just, it just feels like we need, I'm open, it goes in there and he's absolutely tearing strips off people or, or making sure he's winning everything. We just don't have that in the team at the moment. I think he will be. I think Gary Mina, he's got it in him to be, you know, I forget the kid's only 23 years old because he does the size of him and, you know, the way he commands people about the stuff. I think that he, he is going to fit into that role very well, but you're right, there's no leaders. We need Gary Mina to come in and be a leader, build up some sort of partnership with hopefully Zuma because Mason Hallgates been well off the pace, get Seamus Coleman back in. I know he's been poor again, but Kenny defensively yesterday was a real worry. I still fancy Dean over Baines for me, yes, at the back, you know, and some people were, were slagging him as well, but I think going forward, I think he was fantastic. I think he's painted, bought it. I was slagging him off for what? Other than not engaging Yamalenko. And like he said, for the, for some of the goals as well, he's that far up the pitch, he's never going to make it back. Don't forget, it's only years one, third, Premier League start, or something like that as well. I'm not having a go, I'm not having a go with the kid. Yeah, no, not at all. I think he's got bags of, bags of talent in it. I think he'll, I just think what we need is, a unit as always, a unit that is going to be, that is going to, and that starts with your centre backs. And again, it's, I just don't think these two are, I think, I just don't think they've got the makeup at this point. Well, if you look at, if you look at the side and you go, will Gary mean that improve us? Yeah. Think he would. He looks like he would. Would Michael Keane have been better with Zumi yesterday? Yes, he would. Because he would, he likes the battle. He'd have won that battle with Anna. He's been good. And he played well. Would Seamus Coleman improve us? Yes, he would. Does Richard listen to improve us? Yes, he does. So we've still got plays you can come in. Would Andre Gomez improve us? He is the one, like you said earlier, Pead as well. He is the one that we're kind of looking at again. I don't know though, that's the thing, I don't know what I'm paying for. Well, we're hoping, this is what I'm saying, because obviously he hasn't kicked the ball for us, so he don't know, but there's so much ride on him because that's the role we're missing. We're missing, you know, we should have come in for like a, I'll keep saying Ruben lost his cheek. Should have gone in for him, but we're hoping and praying that meaner in Gomez. I think that what you've got to remember is though, as I think as a team and as a collective in coming into the season, you've got to be very careful that you don't go. Because I've seen it from yesterday, once we need the centre forward. In the summer, no one was saying we needed a centre forward. There's like an absolute necessity. I wanted another one. No, I know, but what I'm saying is though, now people are going, we need another centre forward, the first choice, blah, blah, blah. That's fine, but and now we need the number eight, that's fine, but then how many plays would we have brought in and how many, we would have got in that situation within the summer before, where you are, you know, don't forget, we were trying to get rid of players. And they did really well with that. So it's a case of, we have got the same players as last season. We're trying to bed them into a new system. There are still players to come in. The players have actually replaced the ones and don't seem to be quite on the level. So it's, you know, you just look at the centre backs. Jack Elker started the season, you know, and he's out the team now. So we haven't got Meeney, we haven't got Keane. So there are two centre backs that started the season and in the team at the moment. So it's, there's a lot of things. I think you've just, everyone's frustrated. And I think, I think the problem ever now, and we have as fans, is that it rolls on to the last previous season, right? So this is a new era, so to speak, a new, a new idea, a new way of playing and everything else. But because it's frustrating, and we've seen it before, it's worse than, than what it will be at other clubs in the same position. Do you know what I mean? You're looking and going, this is, we've seen this before, this is crap, and you start thinking to, all the dice and cumin, and Martin has made the end and all that, and you just get your heads, get to check it. Because you sit, I sat there last night and I was, it's something that was ill, it's something dirty, and I was just laying in bed, sweating, middle of the night. And I was just thinking, it's never gonna change. I don't know how it ever gonna change, because it just seems, no matter what we do, the same things are there, but I've got up and I've had a shower, and I feel better. That's an anti-signal stab. I've had an anti-signal sabre tomorrow, right? And I'm just thinking, we knew before, and there was gonna be bumps in the road, we knew there was gonna be these games that we lose, where you go. Have we lost that? Yeah. You know, but you've got to, it's hard, of course it is, because it's emotional football, but you've got to maintain, you've got to allow him to do what he does, allow him to get this over. He knows Marcel Brant, no one ever said, this squad was good enough to win the Premier League in the summer, and he's come in, and he's all of a sudden, everything's going wrong, and he starts demanding it. I don't think any of this stands at the moment. And ultimately, ultimately, football players are the key in all of it. Better quality players, win your games, end the story. This is the thing, isn't it? I think, you know, we all said that, we know it's gonna take multiple transfer windows as well, and to get rid of 24 players, and then bring in the players that we did, I think we've done exceptionally well, injuries, suspensions, whatever, as rattled us a bit, but, you know, this is something that's gonna take a while, but I think sometimes, I think, you know, the way we started the season against Wolves, we're charged in playing so well, then we, you know, beat Southampton, do well against Bournemouth, should win the game. We were playing some nice football as well, and things were looking good, and I think we can get carried away with that, and we have to remember that, yeah, the side that we played yesterday was mainly the squad that's been inherited from Silver, from Cooman, and, you know, even Al-Adhaison who was before, and Martin as some of them as well, so there's still the majority of them players with that same mentality that have been through all this, and Silver's gotta come in and go, you're gone, you're coming in, and the same in the summer, and then the same in January, the same in summer, and it's gonna take a while, but it is frustrating because we're just tired as fans of watching this, and we should be doing, we die, it's just, yeah. I suppose the plus points are the players that were signed over the summer have all done pretty well. Yes. You know, they've all done pretty well, you know, and Dinye has been probably the man of the match in every game he's played, near enough. Yeah. But what we've seen from Bernard looks good, looks very promising, looks like he could be, but Charleston has been brilliant. Yeah. Zuma up till yesterday, I thought, I think, I think he could do better with two of the three goals. Yeah. But he still looks like put someone alongside him. I still think he was good yesterday. And I still think that he should, he should have done better yesterday. The second and third goal for me, he should be good, he should just be smart, smart, and even for the first goal as well, so I think in all three goals, he could have done better. Yeah. But I still think he's a good defender, and I think someone more experienced, even next to him, could really bring him on. Yeah. Two young kids. So I think from that point of view, he is positive, and what Silver's got to do is almost decipher how to get a team, because look how we started when we were saying, well, we could put better, on the left, and put the Charleston up front, and Sigurd's in here, and he's got all those decisions to make. Yeah. And it's almost, it's almost about breaking away. He's learning on the job. It's almost about breaking away from those, you know, the structure of the team as it is, Garner and Sigurd. Well, how do we break away from that? Yeah. Because Garner and Snaddle, sorry, because when Snaddle's not in the team, then everyone goes, we're missing Snaddle, aren't we? And then when Garner's not in the team, we go, we're missing Garner, aren't we? And then when we put them together, they're like, fucking hell, these two should never play together, ever again. So he's got to find a solution that works, that fits all these parts together, and that's it, and don't forget. All right, all right. What's mad is, I actually think we did miss Tom Davis, you know what I'm saying is, and people will be screaming at me fair enough, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but the thing with Tom Davis is, I've looked at his numbers in the game so far, and you can see what you want about him, his passons up with anyone, he did give the ball away, less than anybody else, and you look at, but he tries to pass the ball forward, he tries to affect the game. That's always what he does, yeah. Garner isn't that sane player. Now, I'm not saying Tom Davis, if we get him in, we're in the top four, because I'm not saying that, he's a kid, right? And obviously if Andrei Gomez can produce the Valencia form, then we're sorted. We're laughing, yeah. But when there was two play in the middle, it's, you can't look at Liverpool, I'm gonna take Liverpool like it's a game, as an example, they've got to the Champions League final and finished in the top four last season, and bought a new midfield. Yeah. Both Fabinho and both Naby Keitha, he wants to pick here, they got Shaqiri, they bought all of these players when they just got to the Champions League final, beating Man City on the way, and finishing fourth in the Premier League, he still went out and got better, to try and get better. Now, people ripped Jordan Henderson, I'd have Jordan Henderson in Armourfield every day of the week, but the simple reason that, he does this, he knows how to play in midfield, but our players don't seem to, I don't know. I've seen Man City's, is there is the second goal from the weekend? Where? Silver in it. No, it's, is it silver? Or is it silent? Oh, it's the one-way. When he just taps it in for a minute. The one-way, the one-way thing you'll find. Fernandinho picks the ball up in midfield, and strides past the entire midfield, and they're back forward in about three steps, and then rolls it in. That's what we need in Armourfield, you need someone, and that's what they've gone out and bought with Keitha, you need someone now in midfield. It's gone weird because, it's gone from all these specialised positions, you know, someone who sits in front of the back four, it's gone back to old-fashioned, now we need these all-rounders, and he just picks that ball and strides past them all in like three steps and puts a lovely ball in, and that's our problem in that, in midfield. We've got Sigarton, Snidlin, and, you know, and obviously Garnet, and now you, but, sometimes you've got one player who can do all those three things, and that's a big problem, but what we massively need is a number eight who can just pick the ball and use it, use it well, and can pick it up and go through between the lines, and also, I can also open his legs a little bit as well, and obviously they're hard to, they're hard to get. We add half a one in Ross Barclay, he can pick a ball up and run, and then his ultimate problem was, his ultimate problem was his final ball, which seemed to let him down, but then he would get you up the pit, now Tom, Tom can, he's got a little bit of that in him, I just don't think he's, at the point where he's strong enough yet to, but, the guy that gets the ball and the guy that just, the pass for their first goal, it's just, it's fully garnered up, it's fully garnered up, he just, he just smashes it into, he doesn't take, you said, he doesn't take any care, and that's what top players do, they take care of the ball, they take care of the ball, and that's before we finish, let's just talk about, what, what, what caught him yesterday, look, didn't look fit by a mile, but he wouldn't look any fitter, when someone fucking stamped on his head. Yeah. How is he not getting sent off for that? It's unbelievable, he was absolutely unbelievable, he, where I sit as well as the other, completely the other side of the pitch, and you could see there, it was like, he's gone, he's like, how was he only booked him for that? He nearly took his head off, and like we said before, he probably deserved it, which is why maybe he's just trying to slice that silly haircut off, but, like, it's a red card, all day, every day, if Jags is getting sent off against Wolves for a good tackle, right, and he's only getting booked for nearly taking Walcott's head off, it's a joke, and again, and you know, we were poor yesterday, defensively we were a mess, didn't deserve anything from the game, I don't think gotta be better, but, again, the referee has, you know, you said off air before as well, off air, off video, that's, that's me thinking on the bloody radio, you said before that, you know, a penalty and a red card in that game, and we win, so yeah, I'm not making excuses, but we need to improve, yes we do, the standard of refereeing in this league, that every single game, I can pinpoint decisions, massive decisions, that we've not got, and it's gotta stop, it's a, it's a joke, it's absolutely a joke. He shouldn't be, like, in Gouldersen, never again, after the Rodwell Davi. No, never. He's a disgusting referee, he's neither blank, that, let's say, and carry the ball three, four thousand, the semi-final. Yeah, he's a cheat, but it's not even that, but, you know the Walcott one, is he in the box, I'm not sure, he's just got that ball off. But the penalty on Shiggerton, it was a penalty, Ben Bernhard skipped past him, and rolled it back, and he came in to shoot, he shoved him in his back, and he'll tell you why, it's a being, it's a being on the pitch, that's a free hit. He didn't play the ball, so it's a penalty, Shiggerton's gonna strike it, he shoved him in the back, it's a penalty, and he just went, get up, and he went like, and then he gives one on Snadlin, early on when he won the ball, and he just, it's just, He gave it yellow cat, it didn't look half loom, it felt literally nothing. Yeah. But the thing about it is that one, guys, there's high feet, there's high feet. But it wasn't, he wasn't a decent man. There's high feet. There's high feet, and then there's actually putting your boots on someone's neck, the entire way down to the ground, which is what he did. Yeah. He didn't just catch him high, he let his foot in there, and all the way down. And there was another one as well, in the second half, where I can't remember who it was, takes out Bernhard. Yeah. And it was worse than Jamie Garde, he's won the other league, where he got a red card, you heard it, because it was right in front of me, it went, it was like, oh my gosh, it went through me. What's his name, wasn't he? The Scottish lad. Oh, he's not grass. I've got it, well, feel me. What about the one in the back of Toulson's head? She had a red card as well, fella just went, bang, smashed him right in the back of the head, into the box. Yeah. You're like, it's... We're just not getting... The thing about it is, though, we've got to start... But we've got to... We've got to start... We've got to start, you know, I always thought this game, if we won this game, then everyone would say, oh, it's been okay, started seeing. Going to also, losing this game, everyone goes, it's been a terrible start to the season. And that's the problem. You know, I said to Bars last night, the season could look a hell of a lot different if Leighton Baines hasn't gone charging into the back of a bonus player. Do you know what I mean? Absolutely. And I think that's one of the main reasons, you know, in the team, is that, because the manager probably looked at him, what are you bringing into my team? You know, and it could look a lot, but we've got to start now, just getting points on the board. And I'm not... That's not like a... That's not basically a panic or anything, but you've got to... You've got to... It's not even about having poor performances. If you dominate the possession and you dominate the shots, you've got to start taking something out of these games. It's as simple as that, because that's what all the teams do. They don't... They don't necessarily play brilliantly, but if they get... If they have four shots on target, then they should be scoring two goals. Yeah. Well, like you said, like look at West Ham yesterday, three goals from four shots. And you know, that's what we need to be doing. We had the opportunities yesterday. We didn't take them. And we were really, really poor at the back as well, of course. But yeah, like you said, it's I'm not in anywhere. I'm not worrying about anything stupid like us getting relegated. That's just insane. I think there's real signs that we are improving. And for the first 10 minutes at yesterday, we looked... We looked good, but it's these areas that we need to improve on. Meaners yet to come back in. Commonal come back in. We've got Gomez. We don't know what he's about. We've got Richard Allison to come back in. We've got Keen to come back in. I think we're going in the right direction. I think we will get there. It's just a slow start, injuries, suspensions, bad refereeing, all these things have hindered us. But I do genuinely think that, you know, we're going in the right direction. If we go to Arsenal now, for Charleston comes back, if we go to Arsenal, beat them and then we've got full of home and we beat them. Then, but no, honestly, honestly, I really think we've got a shot. And I think if we win two games on the trot now, which isn't like unbelievable, then I think everybody then starts going, but what we've got to do though, you go to somewhere like Arsenal. Don't get trounced. You can't, you've got to cut out all the stupid mistakes you've got. That's what I'm saying. Otherwise they will. You can't go into games giving teams like a start, you know what I mean? That's the problem. Listen, you know, at the end of the day, at some point, we might also get to see Adam Olofman play football as well, because I'm still waiting for him to play. I don't even see him. What the hell is he doing? I think so. I honestly think that's like. They keep on bringing this kid on the bed and he just runs, I think he might have won a raffle or something because he just keeps on running around. He doesn't know quite where he should be and he makes himself look busy, but don't let it touch the board. I don't know. Maybe he's writing a book or something. I'm going to add you sat on the bench in a pre-season game because he's writing a book. Yeah. Might be something like that. Do you know what's really, really got in and frustrating about Luckman as well is, because we were all massive, you know, advocates for him getting in the side and, you know, last season and we were all kind of like fighting his corner and like, let's give this lad a chance and he's been nothing but a spoiled little brat, to be honest with you. And whenever he has Huddersfield, he had pretty well a full half, did nothing yesterday, did nothing like Pettisever. It was like he wasn't even on the pitch, but just sort it out. It's infuriating. You know, he's a kid. He's not proved himself yet. He's not earned himself. Went to Germany, got a few goals, got a few assists. Well done. Come back and put the effort in. Put the effort in because it's a disgrace. And no wonder now you're starting to see why these managers didn't fancy him because his attitude stinks. That's going viral. That's shelling him. That's shelling him in January. Yeah. Unless he's not stepping up. He's shelling and buying his honour. Yeah. With that, but it wouldn't even, it wouldn't even bat an eyelid. That just go, off you go, off you pop, son, and I go to Lausanne and go, come in because you know you, you'll run, you're a nutcase, you're a 100% you'll never stop running. Yeah. Luckman can go. It's the attitude thing, you know, if someone runs their stuff into the ground and, you know, they're still poor, you go, ah, do you know what you tried, but you're not good enough. He's not even trying and it's like after everything. I don't think he's not trying. I don't think so, mate. I don't think he knows what he's, what he's about to said this. Last year, he's got all the ability. You can see the tricks and the, but he doesn't know where he's playing. He goes on and he just drifts and you're like, what are you supposed to be doing? The manager's given him an opportunity. He told him he wants to keep him. But even before he's got any minutes, you know, he was told, you wanted, you think, the Huddersfield game we won all at home to poor side, you know, they did what they needed to do. He should have been going, if I'm going to have a field day here and I'm going to make it hard for a charlatan to get back in the side. He's done nothing. Best way for him to get a move is to play back. Yeah, exactly. This is what I mean. His attitude's all wrong, but yeah, the charlatans are back. We'll leave the day. We'll leave the day. We could mow an old, we could just mow an old day in general. Listen, before we go, it's early on in the process. Yesterday wasn't good enough. We know that Kenny, Calvert Lewin and Holgate are all kids. They'll get better. I don't think any of them are at the level you need to be at the minute. I think the Premier League's unforgiven. It makes you mockery of some great players that look great in other countries. So, no, you can't back the kids and give them time. They're just not ready. You've got to do your job. Next week, I mean, for me, Holgate will be like back next week because I think Kenny will get chased all over. It's something that the Minerys ready. But we've got, there's players still to come back in the squad. You've got to give them energy of time. It's hard. It just feels like it's Grandog Day and no matter what we do, it's all a shame. But maybe it's time to just throw the Charleston through the middle and go right. We're going to play with the centre forward, who's pasty. He might, you know, he's a threat. He might not score as many as we need, but he's a threat. He might do that straight away, mighty, because he might just say, no, I don't want to lie. He might just say, listen, with the Charleston back and actually with some natural weight on the left-hand side, that'll pull the defence open to start opening up space for Towson to get into. And Towson is just having one of those spells. The last two games have been poor because Dominic Alba-Lubin's been our wit. Yeah, no, I'm totally agree. He doesn't have to go there because it's not his role. He comes in field, so... That's for another day. Anyway, big thanks for Sarah for coming in to chat about this horrendous game of football that we all want to forget. And we all woke up this morning going, there's one of them waiting knowing you looked at your left and going, oh, shit, I did do that. And... I did that this morning as well. That was a joke. OK! There you go. But it's not grass. Yeah, I'm a lanko. Yeah, I'm a lanko. That's why you couldn't walk. You don't know what's happening. To be fair, yeah, a lanko's not your type, is he? He's really not. You don't really like Ukrainians. So there you go. Big thanks to Sarah. Let us know your thoughts in the comments. Give us a like. Give us a sub if you haven't already subscribed. We'll see you later.