 You're like, oh, yeah, okay. I get it now, but you feel like a real jerk. Yeah Just it doesn't your memory does not Don't recognize at all even after they tell you who you are you're like wait Right, I just I would not recognize you on the street, but now that you've given me context I get it not not recognizing and not remembering at the same time. That's not good. Yeah, that's like Hey, it's me Bob Oh There are people who know me I'm like I have no clue we're who are no context at all But it's nice. It's nice to see you Bob Iran because I used to think it was Bob Iran, but not Barbara and Bob Who's Bob? Why are they saying about Bob? Bob or I'll see Bob So I asked I answered a core question. There was a core question that was What is what is the song lyric that you remember the most being wrong and and when I was a teenager What was in God of the Vita came out as No, yeah, I'm your Venus, you know, that's I'm like the one hit wonder. I'm your Venus I'm you know, I could swear I could swear she was singing I'm your fetus For a year Like the next time it's like your desire you're like Yeah, well, it sounds like she's saying something adult even in the remake I'm like Are they allowed to say that on the radio? It's like all that must mean something in fairness a lot of those lyrics don't make a lot of sense Well, it's a Dutch band that came up with it Oh the Dutch I I'm sure it had meaning back then well, it also came at a point where the The groovy 60s kind of was slowly fading away to the abrupt reality of the 70s in disco Who was the original Um, it was a for I'm your Venus that one for Venus. Yeah, I Blew something blue to say T-Rex shocking blue shocking. Oh, yeah, I would never know that Written by Dutch musician Robbie van Yeah, exactly, of course Robbie van Robbie van Dutch name is Van Dutch Dutch I'm making fun of other hits shocking blue included Never Marry a railroad man You might have mm-hmm love a buzz blossom lady ink pot and be Are you guys ready for the era of this episode of Daily Tech news show? Next ready as we'll ever be nice segue Tom. Thank you, sir We got a brand new pre-roll Hey Exciting here we go three two The Daily Tech news show is powered by me. I'm in Tom's backyard right now in a stationary cycle looked up to a generator Okay, that's not true But I am hoping to keep the lights on so can you go to daily tech news show comm slash support to find out how This is the Daily Tech news for Friday June 1st 2018 happy patreon day Thanks patrons in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and from a place where nothing is giving everything is earned. I'm Len Peralta. It's so true That's what they call Cleveland The place where those things he said are true Also joining us very happy to have Rob D'Amillo back CTO of Nimble Collective and I like to say friend of the show Welcome. Oh, thank you so much. I'm happy to be here and I'm up above a bar in San Francisco. Ah Which but I never mind I'll find out later Hey folks our producer Roger Chang is here two days straight of internet. Yes, I'm hoping that it continues for the length of my contract Yes Doesn't have a contract with me leave any time you leave right now. Please don't let's start with a few tech things you should know Sources tell gizmodo that Google Cloud CEO Diane Greene told employees Friday that Google will not seek another contract for work Providing AI to the US Department of Defense after the current contract expires in 2019 Project Maven was the one where Google was providing some AI mostly open source They say for the analysis of drone footage However, thousands of employees had signed a petition asking Google to cancel the contract so they're not canceling But they're not going to do any more after this one a Leaked list of E3 Nintendo games posted to 4chan indicates a version of fortnight will come to the Nintendo switch Eurogamer says it has sources that say the list is accurate fortnight launched on iOS back in March and is coming to Android as well this summer AT&T informed court officials It will not appeal a decision that the US Federal Trade Commission Does have authority over AT&T's internet business? So the court ruled that it does AT&T's not going to fight it any longer AT&T had challenged the FTC's authority in advance of a trial over AT&T's practice of slowing down the speeds of so-called Unlimited users when they reached a data threshold the FCC's decision to remove the open internet guidelines earlier this year rested in part on The justification that the FTC would have authority over consumer complaints about net neutrality violations So this lays that all to rest All right, let's talk a little bit more about what Facebook's doing. What are they doing Sarah? Well, so you know that trending section that was in the right hand upper corner that you could collapse if it was super annoying That's at least what I did Facebook says it's shutting down that trending section at the top of its home page Because it wasn't popular enough with users the trending section was launched in 2014 was available in five countries Facebook will add a new feature called today in that to highlight local events and let 80 publishers highlight their stories and have an optional breaking news tag So I hated trending topics. They were so stupid They weren't always stupid They were often stupid and I know that they were trending in part because it was kind of celebrity stuff But you also would see what a lot of us I think would now say Fake news or misleading and a lot of the stuff that Facebook has come to realize was bad for business I have I have a fistful of thoughts that I will throw out and and Rob and you and Sarah couldn't can respond to whichever ones you want One I always found Algorithmically generated trending lists like Twitter has interesting because it's like oh this this stuff is popping up a lot Whether I liked it or not was immaterial to I don't think there's any evidence that the trending section was the source of any of Facebook's problems, so it's an easy win for them because it might be perceived that way But I don't know if it's fixing anything and three if it really was just a low traffic part of their site It's an even easier win because you know why keep a part of your site that you don't think is performing well So so my fist is It was probably annoying a lot of people and so they were they were getting a lot of responses about that It it probably did amplify the echo chamber because the more things you click on the more the more of that type of Material would show up and you would personally think that there was a lot of activity around it and three that those that last Thing I just said would feed into the trending topics thing so well Except if it's not a highly performing area, then not very many people are clicking on it True so if not many people are clicking on it, then it's not really causing much amplification. Is it? Sure enough I'd like to know how many people just said I don't want to see this because you could collapse that area and once I did I was like it just sort of cleans up everything, right? I don't have my chat stuff open when I'm looking at it on the web either So that has a lot to do with it as well Yeah, and and that might be one of the reasons Facebook says they weren't seeing a lot of usage is most people I'd be curious how many people didn't even have it show up who had just gotten rid of it I'm not a big user of Facebook. I almost never go to the homepage of Facebook So I'm probably this is probably a useless observation, but I don't even remember what it looked like It was a lot of stuff like I Don't know some Star from the voice got into a car accident, you know that kind of stuff. We're like I Don't need I do wish I hope one day we can return now is not that day But I hope one day we can return to valid trending topics, which I Twitter seems to be able to show just fine Well, because it's just it's pure numbers, right? And it's and it's you have to go to a trending topic area in Twitter to see what is actually trending And it doesn't actually affect any of your feed stuff wait with Facebook if you click on that stuff it It did feed into itself. So yeah, sure All right arm announced the 7 nanometer Cortex a 76 CPU That's their latest CPU design the Mali M. A. L. I Mali G 76 GPU graphics processor and the Mali V 76 video processor arm designed the a 76 CPU from scratch calls it laptop class Because it is as powerful or more powerful than the arm designs that were being used in laptops before It supposedly improves performance by around 35% and energy efficiency by 40% The G 76 GPU claims one and a half times performance improvement It doubles the number of execution pipelines and it says it improves the energy efficiency by 30% and that v76 video processor can handle 8k 60 frames per second video or Multiple 4k streams obviously multiple HD streams to the G 76 GPU is available for sampling So you might see that end up in a product later this year the a 76 CPU likely won't arrive in consumer products until 2019 and see any estimates on dates for the visa 26 Roger, you know, this this is arm Saying, you know, this is our next generation We've got powerful processors and really trying to push the idea of our processors are good enough to be used in laptops Because they want to get into Intel space I I see it as like a not necessarily like a Definitely marking out territory that they want to they want to be in eventually Now whether or not this can compete with Intel's mainstream offerings Still still to be determined But it definitely points to signs that they definitely are interested in that space and that they're going to continue moving into it It also means at least in my mind that The rumors of apple developing in-house, you know, arm derivative chips to eventually replace intel and their mainstream offerings could be completely valid and You know, it they don't need to be More powerful. They just need to at least be as powerful and and do all the stuff That people expect from their run of the mill laptop like not everyone is going to be using Adobe creative cloud not everyone needs to have, you know, uh, you know a separate high-end GPU In fact, most people get by with the Intel integrated GPU Which if anyone's ever used it isn't, you know, all that to write home about but it's functional enough that you can surf the web You can write emails You can do spreadsheets you can do 90 of the stuff that most people use their laptops for So so the other conversation to be had here is being the cloud computing guy on the on the squad here We run into problems all the time with not having enough Machines in the cloud that are GPU based and so one of the questions I have is if they're really bragging about this chip that much Can you put a box around it call it a server make it a day? I mean like I mean definitely arm was pushing or not maybe arm but qualcom was was pushing into the server space and You know, they're allegedly moving back away from it but uh You know, I mean isn't isn't that one of the that's also one of the the places that arm wants to be is in the server market Not necessarily doing the the same high-end Number crunching but definitely in the the rack space where people are concerned about hey, how do I get the most? Uh number crunching out of the least amount of you know wattage Right. I don't want to necessarily light up, you know the entire city of of detroit trying to just you know Serve out a bunch of web pages to people across the globe Yeah, and and it makes sense to to say like hey, we've got an energy efficient laptop class chip Uh use that Yeah, and if do a blade server, I don't just stick it on a A card and put it plug it into a black backplane with you know A bunch of other similar cards and look, you know, you could you could even if you could if they could get the price Point right and they can you know show that it is an effective replacement or an alternative Maybe not replacement but alternative to like, you know what intel or amd offers I mean that'd be great because you know, frankly intel has been kind of been slowing the boat a little bit because they really haven't had a Need to damn things up so much in their space and rising from a and d which you know grand is an x86 architecture, you know kind of kind of let the Bunsen burner under the collective pain I will disagree with you that intel has been slow because they they don't think they need to They've been scrambling to figure out how to have a new Area they can move into and they keep getting scooped Uh arm is kind of doing that again with this I know rich straffolino was saying in our slack earlier today that that maybe intel shifts to fpga's because that Is a fertile market for potential ai applications and one that nobody has dominated yet That's that's a great idea. Yeah, we we we see a lot of we see a lot of invidias Like so there's a lot of invidia chips that are there in the the cloud based servers And those are uh, I think it's eating intel's lunch. I don't see a lot of intel based the gps and cloud In other news that's actually uh very timely since tom was in australia for a couple weeks amazon announced thursday It will no longer serve the international version of its website to australian starting on july 1st In order to avoid a new sales tax a 10% tax at that on imported online goods worth less than $1,000 Goes into effect july 1st amazon's australian website, which has fewer goods listed than the regular amazon dot com Will be the only version of amazon available to those at least determined to be indeed in australia When I was in australia people were complaining about amazon and how They would try to order things and they wouldn't show they wouldn't be available for shipping to australia anyway Because there was there's confusion over what's actually provided by amazon and what's shipped through third parties and a lot of times Third party sellers are like no, we're not going to worry. We're not going to deal with customs and and sending things overseas Uh, so I don't know how much of a burden this will actually be I'd love to hear from more of the australians in the audience about this, but uh, it certainly isn't great to say You know what? To avoid your tax australia, we're just going to rip out everything except the the in-country site This is feels to me like the old amazon that would try to punish states in the us Who tried to apply a sales tax to them because they had a warehouse by pulling their warehouse out of the state That always ended up with amazon coming to some sort of arrangement paying tax and putting the warehouse back So I have a feeling this is this is just a matter of bluster and eventually they'll the two sides They'll come to a conclusion Well, I know we had a story. Uh, gosh a couple months ago now of uh warehouses within australia and you know within the country of australia which helped with tariff, uh Numbers and and a lot of australians had complained. They were very high So you think okay, there's stuff going on Where the price can come down great But again, even if you're used to paying a little bit more and all of a sudden your version of amazon has A lot less than what you had enjoyed before Yeah, it kind of sucks and this tax was targeted at amazon apparently a lot of ebay sellers were falling under Rule other rules and having to pay the tax and we're upset that if you sold through amazon you could avoid the tax Did not hear that interesting Apple's worldwide developer conference will start monday with a keynote speech at 1 p.m Eastern or 1700 utc from san jose california apple will update developers on their various operating systems That's what they do every year Uh, though the smart money is on some kind of response to google's digital well-being announcements from io mark German and the bloomberg crew have been doing good work reporting on that There's no end of speculation about whether they'll have any other surprise announcements hardware announcements, etc now I will wait to tell you what they announced After they announced it. I used to have fun Trying to guess the announcements ahead of time. So maybe i'm just getting jaded but These days I just kind of want to ignore the guessing game and and wait for them to make the speech and then talk about it Am I alone on that? No, I I think if we were an apple focused show, of course He would be like the week running up to wwc Sure, but I think especially since we all we're all familiar with uh the news and how these sorts of things become Frenzied until the actual announcement and then you're either excited about what actually got announced because you were right Or you're disappointed because the rumor that you heard didn't actually end up happening Well, let's just wait till monday then we'll know Rob you're with us. I'm completely with you. I yeah What's it? What's sara said with a line in an exclamation point? I I I feel like I thought we would have more disagreement on this or at least different takes of this but I wonder how many other people out there feel the same way and and with sarah's caveat I think that's the perfect way to think about it is like, yes If you are listening to an apple show you're going to expect this But do you care to hear speculation ahead of time and it kind of creeps out into into other areas of coverage Like do you want to know all the google pixel rumors all the samsung galaxy s rumors? It's not just an apple thing but the more the more Hype and clickbait that's around these sorts of things ahead of time The less I want to cover them the more I just want to wait for the actual announcement and say okay now We know let's talk about it because rob. I know we were talking before the show Wwdc is not a place where you get the most interesting apple announcements anyway No, no, no you're gonna find out the notch is five millimeters larger And and and tim cook will be on stage and there'll be some some Yeah, well and to be fair sometimes you'll hear a crazy rumor about something before it's not just Wwdc, but lots of big company announcements where you're like wow really we're gonna get an iPad with wings or you know that sort of thing. It's like sure we might talk about I haven't seen anything ahead of next week's uh show that Moved the needle that much for me. It's kind of like, okay You know new ios stuff that'll happen later in the year and if we were in an iPad with wings We would be talking about right now, right, but we're not although we might All right, let's start that now Sources sources being sarah tell dtns me sources who asked not to be named Oh, sorry. I just named you tam No, I the most interesting thing will be to see how apple responds to the google digital well-being stuff If you if you missed it at io google did a bunch of stuff about here are tools to help you control How much you use your device and stop it taking over your life and immediately people say Well, why isn't apple doing this and my response was because their developers conferences in june That's why they're not doing it and this is the this is when we're going to hear that So I will be interested to hear what those plans are and if they're more evidence-based Googles were sort of like we think making the screen gray might help Uh, I like to see more research behind that but it's all meant well. So it's good Well, something that apple might talk about might implement along with a lot of other companies Is unicode 11.0 which arrives on june 5th along with emoji 11.0 Which means companies can begin supporting new emojis that were first announced back in february Just because they can support it doesn't mean they'll implement it But now they can so 66 new emoji code points in unicode 11.0 include a softball It can guru a llama A partying face whatever that means a parrot lobster and many more now Party face has a party hat and a noise maker Oh, so it's yeah, it's like a like a birthday party face now code points would indicate completely new emoji There is also a new emoji for example that it's a person with red hair didn't have that before or a person with curly red hair So that is not necessarily a completely new emoji. It's sort of a A new spin on an emoji that already existed because it's a person So all in all it's over a hundred now you might say well, hold on a second Wasn't the last emoji emoji 5.0? Why did we go to 11? Well, unicode says the contortion anyway explained in a blog post that skipping to emoji 11.0 Actually better relates to the unicode numbering because they're both 11 now So the next unicode release is planned for march 2019 Some of the draft candidates include a diving mask an axe And a hindu temple At what point do we reach peak emoji? We're not there yet tom It's not never ever get there not today because you know cold face emoji. I'm like, oh, okay I could see myself using that But there were ways to express that you were cold before just with the icicle. So we're we're almost Expressing nuance at this point, right? Uh, it's it's yeah I mean all kidding aside of all the emojis, which I'm you know, I'm emoji friendly Maybe not as much as some people but I use the same five over and over But it's actually interesting how emoji became It started kind of would like as what what is this? You know, it's this whole thing that was created in japan and then people started to be like Well, it's actually kind of an interesting way to express yourself. It's not just, you know, silly anymore It's actually useful and then we've kind of gotten into like the political correctness of emoji where it's like Hey, hold on a second You know, what about the red heads in the world? We need an emoji for that It's developed into its own language. Yeah, I think You know, what's what what we're seeing is just kind of uh, the pains of it going through various iterations of Of use I I don't know. I think part of it is some of it is people like using it because they can shorthand everything um But at the same time, you know, I Would not be I would not be surprised if in some near future date It becomes a global language if you were like, oh, I don't speak your language But I can I can emoji what I need from you. Oh, I need I need this particular vegetable Or I need to find this, you know restroom or this hotel or something Did you guys watch dr. Who do you watch dr? Do you see this the second episode the last season with the robots in the future that only talked with emojis? Yes You know, oh earth technology. Yes, it is. I need more verbs I think you can't express a verb, but I don't know state of emoji Uh, california is launching two pilot programs to let autonomous vehicles pick up passengers in the state one program Is like other programs we've seen in pittsburgh in arizona requires a safety driver So we this is starting if anything the important part of that pilot program is we're starting to see this become a regular thing States that are participating in allowing tests like this are are starting to allow Pick up of passengers. However, there is another program that is being created and approved that lets companies Remotely monitor the car Meaning there doesn't need to be a human on board and it will still be able to pick up passengers now to get that license Uh, you obviously have to apply and passengers would have to be 18 years older. You'd have to be able to verify that Uh, you can't charge the passengers because they want passengers to give full unfettered feedback Uh, and the cars cannot operate near airports Interestingly, uh, these two companies one of which is waymo have applied I'll be curious to find out what the other one is Waymo also planning a driverless service in arizona that they announced Uh, they want to get on the road before the end of the year So that that is the biggest step to me rob is we've moved to Allowing tests of actual driverless cars. Yeah, are they allowing them on uh highways? Is that uh, is that a thing high speed Transport, I don't know it did not say in anything I read if there was a restriction or not about which roadways It only said they couldn't operate near airports Okay, that was that because that would be far more alarming if they would allow driverless cars remotely monitored or not To move at highway speeds would well, they do allow driverless cars to move at highway speeds now If they have a safety driver, they have a safety driver, right? Yeah, so without I mean putting somebody in a car Uh without a driver and remotely monitored and then getting on the highway and doing 65 miles an hour Although the highway driving is actually easier for the for the autonomous cars to navigate than the local driving they're most of the accidents Not tesla autopilot, but most of the accidents with actual autonomous car tests have been on local Byways and right, but if there's if there's an accident the fatality rates will be higher like if you're doing if you're doing 30 miles an hour on the city street and You get an accident That's a walk away situation usually right But if you if you're going 65 miles an hour and a semi truck jackknives in front of you and the car doesn't respond properly And somebody remotely is not going to be able to see that that that's an issue so the airport uh Things interesting because it's like okay. Well, you're not supposed to fly drones, you know Certain area of airspace either, but that's because it could interfere with planes That's not what anybody would be worried about with autonomous vehicles necessarily Although and I know a lot of airports are laid out differently, but my local airport lax is like that's where people drive the most erratically Right, so it's like that actually makes sense to me that it's like you know what just stay out of the airports because you're going to get an accident It's going to ruin the whole day. Yep Makes a lot of sense. It's interesting. I don't feel comfortable stating with certainty that it's not on highways But I'm not seeing anything that says it isn't so that's I mean This is yeah, this is the training wheels right for for getting completely autonomous vehicles up up and operating, but it's We're going a little too quick. I'm a little concerned being that you're concerned on the highway is going a little too quick I see what you did there. Yeah, uh, it's it It will be interesting to see what the other company doing this is waymo is Certainly taking the lead now as uber has put a pause On a lot of its operations because of the fatality in arizona because someone died Because of the because of what appears to be and we're still waiting for the the final final thing But it appears to be a fault in the system that just didn't identify the person properly that is A horrible price to pay to improve the service it will improve the service So waymo feels more confident that they it can avoid those things I'm curious who the other company that feels that confident is in california Isn't tesla being forced to change the name of their their Service from autopilot to something else. I have not heard that they're being forced to I I've heard they've they've said they aren't Going to change it even though a lot of people have been saying they should that I read something Okay Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines dot com We get letters lots and lots of letters, but they're electronic and we put them in the mail bag Which is really just a folder in our email. Sarah. What's in them? Sometimes we print them out. I don't know actually I that's not something I do But we could okay, so this first one actually refers to I think something we were talking about in yesterday's post show Or maybe it was two days ago where tom and I had both gotten an email from bank of america Which is a big us bank Uh saying that they had a new assistant called erica and we were like, how do they make these names for these assistants? And where are they all female? Stephen wrote I'm listening to more than a day behind So you might have gotten a lot of emails about this already, but I'll say it anyway Naming their chatbot erica is clearly a play on the full name of the bank of america Erica not even think of Right over my head and actually, uh, stephen you're the only one who pointed that out. So there is there is voice as well Uh in this which I didn't think there was Anyway, so erica america get it Hey rob. I did a quick Back of the seat of the pants research here and it looks like there was a group Uh filing a deceptive name charge against tesla Uh, okay, that's what tesla has said. No, we're not going to change it. It's you know We find that our customers aren't confused. So There you go Uh christopher sent us an attempt to explain time crystals that we talked about earlier this week And i'll link to an excellent d news explainer on the matter Uh, here's chris's attempt. All right, you guys tell me if this helps you understand time crystals a little better In a spacetime crystal the adams repeat not just their spatial arrangement like they would in an ice crystal or snowflake But repeat through time So the adams are in constant movement without being acted upon without being made to move and never come to rest Their resting state Is moving So this would be like having a lego sculpture where the blocks are rearranging themselves in a pattern on their own Yeah, that's pretty interesting Does that help you understand it more? That's that's that's pretty interesting. Wait, which has a lot of there's a lot of questions attached to that, right? So if if they're if the resting state is motion What does that mean for the energy state? Yeah, and there is uh, they're one of the papers did deal with the problem of of This appearing to be a perpetual motion machine of true And found there there is a way that that is not true that it in fact can't just power itself forever That's that's that's probably the time part, right? It's probably it's probably Troph is coming from the time there is entropy involved in the calculations I I don't remember how it works in but I remember reading that that they're like no not a perpetual motion machine. So Anyway, time crystals. Thank you christopher for that explanation and thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com Groups slash daily tech news show Let's check in with len peralta who has been illustrating the show len. What do you got? Yeah, you know I uh, I have to agree with you tom that I think that we have reached peak emoji And uh, this is exactly I think what the this insane world needs right now Is more emojis And uh, this was my sort of monster creation of all the emojis that are coming out Very soon parrot lobster kangaroo llama softball party face bark new emojis bark crazy This isn't it was a weird weird news day today This is good. I want I want the emoji that Condenses all of my feelings into one and when you've illustrated it perfectly. It's the singularity. Yes the one singular emoticon We will all use Oh, obviously, this means we're going to go party at outback steakhouse after softball practice And get their peruvian special. There you go. I like it. That's that's perfect Or perhaps it's red lobster or or we're going to get red lobsters australian special Or you start off at outback and then you go and then move on to red lobster until there's an ipad with wings emoji We're not ready. That's right. Maybe 2019 So yeah, so this is in my online store. You can get this guys It's uh, it's you really got to put it on your wall honest Yeah, I mean, especially if you're gonna party after your softball practice exactly Essentially, yeah, certainly. You can also by the way conversation. What's that on your wall? Well Let me tell you about emoji 11.0 By the way, you can also uh commission me commission me for good stuff coming up for grads and dads and all that good stuff Just you know, think about that Excellent. Thank you. Go to commission len sweet Where do where do where do they go if they want to commission they go to the lenperall to store.com Good go there now. Also, thanks to rich jameel. I've robbed a meal. I'm sorry, uh for for being with us this friday Rob, what has been going on with you? Why are you thanking my brother? Uh, is your brother named rich? Yeah, it's actually yeah. Well, okay. Sometimes I get you guys confused Uh, working at nimble collective, uh cto. 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Yeah, so it was like, yeah like because there's someone that tom and roger and I worked with You guys knew what i'm talking about rich Rich Rich rich I can see him right now Was he the guy with the beard? No Was he me? He wasn't you I know who you are. I just Rich robber was he in sales? Oh, I think he was more of like hr I I was the last name my mother would hit me to his matinee Then he was also our finance But well, I'm gonna have to look it up now and now I'm just getting her could only you see him My mother wouldn't exist my mother would go through all the sibling names until she got to me when she was angry with me Uh, what were the sibling names? Uh, just two of them so rich rich and abby and occasionally the dog occasionally the dog would be in there So rich So I would get tim tom and he would get tom tim quite often. That's adorable. That is adorable. That's Tim tom. Yeah, I dated a girl. I dated a girl in high school named reberda. So we were bobby and bobby Oh, that's cute. Oh, it wasn't cute then It was So cute now. It's still not cute. I remember one of my classmates at jc She was from Oklahoma. Her first name was kim and she married a Uh, Korean guy's last name was kim. So she was kim kim Ah kim kim, of course. The girl so nice to name her twice. Yeah Uh, speaking of naming titles There is Unicode goes to 11 Hi No, uh peak emoji Have you seen mall? I am emoji I am emoji Uh, facebook breaking trending news. Why would developers care? winged ipads Winged winged iPads in flight From erica to erica Isn't that the most peak emoji is cute? Disappointed people Want to show the come here come here black cat appreciation date With a donut come here black cat. That's how you show your appreciation during the show sam was on my lap And he was he was very interested in being part of our conversation. Now. He's like Good day internet post show. I wanted to be on the action Winged ipads yowling over in the corner sure sure You're saying winged is it did they do something special or are you just oh, it's well It's a great wing. It is a great Blessed versus want to know how to spell it Just winged in ed What would I like to do? Is there anything I thought that was cute winged is a great thing Not winger like the band Kip winger winger. I loved winger. What was that one song? I don't remember any winger song you can ask them. Oh, but there is one Hello, we are winger. That was the name of the song I wear the replacement It's me kip winger Um, I have to listen. No, there was a song that I Because it winger was sort of one of those bands you kind of make fun of a little bit But they had some good stuff Did they Yeah, but you can't oh, yeah, I liked this one 17. This was a good song No, this is the thing about the eddie's hair bands is like The song is about a girl who's only 17 and you're like, yeah cool And then you listen to it later. You're like, this is pretty weird It's obviously not written by your father I My dad did not approve of this. Yeah. No wonder my parents didn't want that picture of kip winger up on my wall I don't know weird Did you have did you have a bunch of uh hair metal band posters all over I had a john bon jovi Uh poster that was he was shirtless And I remember I remember yeah, I had a bunch of them, you know, it was all sorts of stuff But that was one of them and I remember my dad being like, I don't want that on your wall That's just I draw the line. I don't want that on your wall Because it's sort of kind of it's sort of a naked man, you know, so I know I had uh pictures of like I'm trying to think like uh, stefie gromp or Of course you did. Yeah, uh, there was a diver from the olympics in I think 88 or 84 Anyway, my parents were like, nah, I don't know if I want that up there because they're in swimsuits or you know, I think Yeah, yeah kids always want to have Sexy pictures up on their wall at an earlier time than their parents are comfortable. Right. Yeah But it was sort of like, you know guns and roses was you know, my favorite band for a while And it's like there weren't really sexy pictures of axel rose. He was more of like, you know, sorry To say there were no You know, so it was like that was never really an issue even though a lot of their lyrics are like Now he looks like benny hill He does look he looks shockingly different in our cover of I'm gonna find the pic. Yeah, look him up. Put him up there roger. He looks like benny hill Well, benny hill has a very unique Well, I'm telling you axel rose looks like benny hill now That first one Oh god, I'll give us a picture of benny hill and yeah That first one is the best one though that one. Yeah, I think benny hill passed away, didn't he? That was a good nail there flan that was not bad. He does. Oh, you're right That's benny hill back when he was younger. He always had a tick. He always had that tick in his face What do we think kip winger is doing right now? He was desperately clawing at the inside of his coffin I did not like if he's deceased. I was not trying to make a joke I don't know if he's dead. I'm kidding around. It's too bad because that was I think that's him, right? Isn't that his picture right here? You know showing this when he's still gonna get a copyright infringement Oh Look at kip looking good kip. No, my hair metal grows up. This was from six years ago the cleveland scene Is that why you give him a give him such a hard time because he's uh, oh, I don't know I'm just giving him a hard time because I I can I don't know Well, what if one day he turns out like he just he's shopping and it's like what if he said to your your high school reading tonight Oh my god, ladies and gentlemen, we brought a special treat for you tonight Class of 1988. Please welcome kip winger and they roll them out on the gurney Carlton, I want to talk to you right now Oh, man, you're in trouble. See me after class For nearly two decades. He's been studying composition and writing classical music including pieces for the samples. Yeah, see len See see from the inside of a coffin. It's amazing. How do you feel people people are allowed to change Amazing that he could he can do as a corpse the speed was which that phrase popped out of your mouth is You let a deep notion of kip winger as being dead that was wrong Well, we've just started a an an internet of rumor. So I love it. Yeah, that's that's something that we need more of in ashville fake news Ah poor kip. Yeah poor kip. He's in the fishing night. He's on classicaling While we've been talking I've been like looking at youtube videos of all winger songs that were in the late 80s that I might actually recognize The video is all the same video. There's explosions There's kip in front of a car hair blowing. I think it's all the same video over and over. It's pretty good actually Yeah, he does great He looks good for him being good for him He passed away for he's the live That's just gonna come around and bite you in the tush Let's just be clear. Sarah roger robin tom are distancing themselves any comments made about kip winger on this show I do not endorse lenn perlton's Cops and comments to kip winger versus opinion on kip winger I'm not that it's not an opinion. I just you know, I was What if you find out on your death bed kip winger comes around and says she was on the other foot Yeah, wait, you could be crying at the edge of a coffin while alive That's right. Oh, that's true. That's why he was inside. Yeah, he was he was the real question is who buried kip winger alive Probably benny hill Season of riverdale I'm tweeting this out right now. I was all I could think of was the sugar man The guy with the hood is the hood benny accused of killing kip. I'm just going to It's so weird how like clean cut he looks it's just like, you know air metal and It happens. I look different. Look at metallica They still look okay. They look okay. No, I just mean they're it's, you know, there's less hair Yeah, they can't get away with it. Put up anybody from the stones then and now same thing Yeah, well, I mean just take any picture of us from when winger had 17 as a hit compared to now That's right. That's right. You know, I'm going to I'm going to see this firsthand tonight at my 30th high score union But you know what metallica still looks pretty badass Yeah, they do Yeah, but I bet you you know what but roger I bet you if you met them in person you'd be like you look like a like like a dad Like you're like they look like they would like Yeah, but you know if they were one of these guys who's your dad's my dad could totally out rock your dad Who's the guy that did um, oh god. Oh, wow, this is I'm blanking on this did jump Oh, uh, davidly rock davidly roth So davidly roth like his his daughter went to harvard and so I was like eating at a restaurant near harvard when I back lived back in Cambridge and The woman I was says turned to your right. I turned to my right. There he is It's like and he's there for like the harvard father daughter thing like It's like it was like it was like, oh, I guess he's a dad now. That was a very strange strange experience rock rock stars Sometimes also dad. He had to stop. He's now jogging with the devil Land is on a roll I say this because as an old person I can make these yes, yes, right. That's right. It would be in poor taste other ones Yes, exactly except that I immediately go you're not old to which rob says none of you I'm not admitting to any of this I like that physical therapy with the devil. That was good All right, well, we're uh, we're gonna say goodbye to the youtube folks Thanks for watching the video and streaming along with us live And all of the wonderful things you do and if you are a patron, uh, stay tuned for a special few more minutes