 Ah, you know, I thought it was thesis, but it's dizziness. Come back to our stupid erection and do some Corbin. I'm ripped. Declose the dizziness. Grab it. Good job, Susie. Good job, Susie. It's so juicy. And also, we have a playlist of all the films we've done by their language. So obviously, this one is Hindi in English, I guess, mostly. But if you like it in Malayalam, Bengali, all those, we have a playlist for all those, so go check those out. And we're growing and growing day by day. Anyways, today we are reviewing the English Hindi film. Yes. Ship of, it's dizziness. I've heard both. OK, because I originally said ship of thesis. And many have said ship of thesis. OK. I've heard, I don't know if it's tomato, tomato. Those of you who are more educated than we are, you can encourage us and let us know either way. This is a film, obviously, starring the only one we know, is Niraj Kabi, I believe his last name is. Yes, Kabi, yes. And it's, yeah, the interesting, I just kind of got the whole thing in one shot. The film explores questions of identity, justice, beauty, meaning, and death through an experimental photographer, an ailing monk, and a young stockbroker. Great synopsis, by the way. That's a great synopsis. It doesn't give anything away. It doesn't give anything away and also, because the film, you probably know this if you don't, there is the metaphysical paradox that is part of Western thinking that's been back since Plutarch, Plato, and all those guys. And the ship of thesis or dizziness paradox is about does something, yes, in the metaphysics of identity, it's the thought experiment that raises the question of whether an object has all of its components replaced that remains fundamentally the same object. If they had put that in the synopsis, they might have gotten even people turned off. Yeah, I agree. Not me. I would have been like, ooh, juicy, yummy. There's a lot of people that would be like, but it's directed by, say his name? Anan Gandhi. This is his first directorial and only directorial film. Why? He was the creative director on Tombad, but that's not the director. And then he's done a bunch of short films. And this came out in 2012. Yeah. I love the poster. Yeah, no, I haven't really looked closely at it. Anyways, but this was also written by him anyways. There's gonna be a spoiler review. If you haven't watched it, just go watch it. Just go watch it. Come on back. It's got a lot of international claim, I know that. It went to the Toronto Film Festival and all that kind of stuff. But I know every time there's an art house film, quote, quote, quote, quote, I just assumed they didn't do as well as they should have. Oh wait, it's just the way it is. Meaning they did not get Avengers money. Right. Obviously not everything can, but it's one of those things. But 100% spoiler review, if you haven't watched it, go watch it. And we reacted to this trailer a long time ago. Yes, we did. Remember, when we saw the trailer, we were like, want to see it, want to see it. And Stupid Baby's been begging us forever. It's a goddamn great film. Yeah. Here's my little paragraph. And then we'll talk for about three hours. Holy cow. A magnificent work of art. And you need to know, if I call something cinema, film, or art, it's the pinnacle of the creation. Bored. Yeah, or a fart. When we call it a movie, it's got a place in the spectrum of cinematic universe, but that's not the same as a work of art or film. A magnificent work of art. Proving once again that some of the finest cinema on earth is coming out of India. And this one's especially unique in that while it clearly shows deep Indian DNA, this movie's not an Indian movie to me. It's an international movie with a cinematic and metaphysical intelligence quotient at Oxford University level. Yeah, I would agree. Just worthy of all film festival accolades and Oscar nominations it should have gotten. Was this the entry to the Oscars in 2012? If not, it should have been. If it wasn't, I would like to know what was in India. You morons, if you didn't send this. Yeah, I mean, it's plausible. There was some other gem that was there, but maybe, but I can't imagine there was a better film. Man, okay, I love films like this. One, obviously it's very actor and dialogue driven. Yeah, whom we love. Yep. It also has very little score. I don't know if you noticed that. Oh, I noticed, I always noticed. Oh, and you know me, I prefer directors to let things breathe and do very little score. Did this let it breathe? Yeah. This thing was fantastic. The way it goes, it basically goes from three different perspectives. Correct. One with a photographer who gets an eye transplant and then it goes to a monk who gets, well, ends up getting, like you said, if it's a spoiler reel, gets a liver transplant that doesn't want it. And then the last one is a guy who got a kizzie transplant and there's a hole. Oh, a whole other canon with that one. But I love films like this that just give you question after question after question after question. And it does not answer it for you. Yeah, it doesn't pontificate at all. No. It does what this paradox does in metaphysical thought. It just presents the idea for you, presents some of the approaches and some of the hypothesis that people have had and lets you decide what you think about it. Yep. I love it. I love that. One needs, I don't, obviously, you know, I don't like spoon feeding in film and this just doesn't do it at all. So we could just start with, my favorite part of the film was obviously Niraj. That was obviously the most engaged part just because one, we know him. Yeah, two is the brilliant. Oh my God. He was great. Oh my God. We obviously already loved Niraj from most of his roles are pretty similar from the ones we've seen. Yeah. Super games, Bataloc, and I believe one or two others. But we knew from watching him. Yeah. This guy's a trained thespian who's got all of the prerequisite training and capacity to do anything that you hand the guy. Yeah. And he showed it here. Yes. Yeah. Again, he was also a detective on Kashi and then- Yes. Pallavar with Irfan Khan. Yeah. This was definitely, I would love to know how method he went for this. Me too. My main question is tell me about the physicality here. Yeah, yeah. Did you actually do that to your body? Correct. If so, amazing. And it doesn't, if you didn't do it, it takes nothing away. It's not what we're saying. No. It's just something that I'm genuinely interested in. Correct. Cause that's how I would be. If I was doing this, I would like to as healthy as possible. Exactly. Get to that, not Christian Bale. I don't think Christian Bale does it healthily. No. Neither did Robert De Niro. But there's a way you can do it. You can get your body the way that it looked healthy wise. Right. It's not gonna be easy and it's not gonna be fun. No. But I would love to talk to the man and how method he went and also if he actually liked his opening shot on Niroj and I'd like to commend the director and the cinematographer. Magnificent. How beautiful. Beautiful motion picture. There's so many shots that were just gorgeous. They did a magnificent job. It's very rare for you to find a film that can do two things at once. And they did it in all three stories without making them seem because I've seen and there's nothing wrong with this. You see a film that has three stories and they feel like three different films. So not only do these feel like they're all part of the same film but they combine gorilla filming with Sanjay Leela Bansali visual sometimes that I literally stopped the thing and took pictures of some of the shots. Oh, so did I. They're on my phone right now but I was very rare to get gorilla style. Did you take a shot of the one where he was standing in the window? In the window. Yeah. If I can find it, I'll put it right here. Yeah. But I got that shot. I just thought it was just awe-inspiring. It was just awe-inspiring. Beautiful. Yeah. Anyways, yeah. So the cinematographer, I want to shout out to the cinematographer. Is Pankaj Kumar. Oh, did you do Hedder and Tombad? Well, yeah. This guy's talented. Yeah. The cinematography was just absolutely gorgeous. And another thing I loved, one of the, just, we saw this in the trailer. Remember, we remember thinking it looks like a documentary. Yeah. And it almost felt like that a lot of times. It really did. Which is a testament to the cinematography as well as the entirety of this cast because every single person, I want to find out, like I'd love to talk to Niraj about that young man who was playing opposite him and the dialogues they were having with each other. That was some of the best part. Some of them. Well, obviously it was a philosophical conversation. So yeah, obviously it's interesting. Right. And all the shit. I would like to also critique one of his things and then calling, like when he could compare them to the Terrace Bomber. Oh, and he said, are you actually going there? Well, I was like, there's many other analogies you could have come up with to make your point. Because Terrace Bomber is hurting other people. Exactly. It's a whole different conversation when somebody is doing it to themself. Which is why he left it because he knew the minute he put it out there. And Niraj's character went, are you really going to use that as the analogy? There's many other analogies you could use. By the way, if you're sitting here and you're watching this at this point, we should let you know that if for any reason you get any kind of a trigger when you watch animal experiments, there is a moment that will make you very uncomfortable. So you need to be forewarned. If you see a scene coming up where they're getting a rabbit, look away for about two, three minutes and then come back, right? It was hard for me to watch. It's a hard one. And I'm hoping, and I'm assuming that that animal was actually taking care of Onset. I'm sure I'm assuming, right? And they just did that like a shot. But still, it was a real rabbit. And I was like, yeah. One of my favorite moments in the film was when at the first story, she's talking with her... I think they were just boyfriend, girlfriend, living together. Were they married? I don't remember. Regardless, her partner. And he was in the shower. And I love that they just had her walk over and there he was, fully nude, taking a shower, full frontal. And it was so natural and normal to just see a couple talking to each other while the guy's taking a shower. I thought I was... My wife has never seen me naked. Never. It's against my religion. Just clarify. Okay. I'm a Catholic. It's not what I wanted. Anyway. Anyway. Anyways, yes, I agree. But it's always funny to me because you know it's in our house film when you see a dick. Or TV show. Like, you just know. Because like, obviously they can't... They usually don't show that in film because they have to give it an R rating or an X rating. Of course. It's just the minute you see a dick. So like, it's just a staple of a lot of art house film. True. Which, it's not anything bad. It's just, you just know it's probably gonna happen. Especially in a French film. And I think one of them think French. The French tend to like it a lot. Well, because the body is a piece of art, I guess. Yes. It was a terrible French accent. Anyways, but yes, I agree. And I, that whole brings the question, especially with her, is so great because the, I thought both actors did a phenomenal job. Yeah, let's go through each little segment and the message of them. And let's talk about her and the paradox. The whole thing about obviously, was it her eyes that gave her sight, her say in terms of her artistic-ness? Right. Or, and then when she got her eyes, is it now somebody else looking? Like what part of it was, and obviously it has to, that whole metaphorical question of, where's the soul lie? And does it transfer from this part to now this person? Well, that's the part of the paradox that is applicable to all three segments and comes from the actual metaphysical question. And that is the limitation, I think, that applies to it. Is it's limited in the scope that it's purely a physical question. It doesn't take into consideration. So Neroja's character took into the soul. It did, but the paradox itself in Western metaphysical thought doesn't definitively do that. People who hypothesized on it had brought that up. But, and that's what I loved about this is because it does take it there with his character. But the other thing I found really interesting was how it was clear from both her and him that her photographs weren't, it wasn't that they just weren't the same. They weren't as good when she had us. Oh yeah, because she wasn't, she was trusting her instincts. Correct. Obviously when she didn't have sight, and then she was, when she had sight, she got into her head and she was trying to set everything up as opposed to her, the way she was obviously capturing it was just natural, real beauty. Correct. Which was what she enjoyed it. And I love the scene where her boyfriend or whatever was explaining the pictures to her. Oh, I love that. I thought it was one brilliant, you know, it was like, okay, I was trying to visualize her. I was like, okay, so what are you seeing right now? Right, right, right. Which is great. I love that. I was really interested in that part. And then obviously it went into Neeraj's character which obviously brought up, I think, the most philosophical. That was the most deeply philosophical going into the realm of the invisible and the spiritual and the moral conundrums and right and wrong. Yeah. They all touched on it for sure, in a big way. But his was the most. His because he was a monk. And it reminded me of a lot. Well, his character, isn't this the same conundrum that Steve Jobs had to deal with? Yeah. Right? And regretted his decision after. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Because he wanted to be with his daughter. Yeah. And it's, that'll change a lot. I found it interesting that we got to see at the end not only that I love that we got to see all three of them together at the end. But I found it interesting that the place that he does get to is a place of definitive decision. He does decide at the end. He wants to take advantage of the medicines even though he knows there's still the end. I think he basically disowned the monks as well. He sure seemed to be that way with the clothes he was wearing at the end of the film. Well, because he says he doesn't want to stop or I forget his line that he said at the end of the film or when he was actually done with his hunger strike. Right. Which was incredibly directed and acted and it's beautiful. It's everything. The shot, the sun coming in and hitting him right on the face. Just completely. And even the way he does, the beautiful moment where he's picking up his linens that have all of his bodily stuff on it, right? Yeah. And someone else wants to help. And all we're getting are the hands and the arms. And we're getting him just going, yeah. Just beautiful. I would like to know how guerrilla they went with this because a lot of the times like when him and that kid, the guy who was walking down the street, I saw people looking like that camera. I was like, they just literally shot this in an alley way. Just going the street and go. Which is amazing because we don't get that luxury here because you couldn't. The cops would stop you and ask for the permit instantly. If somebody's face is in this and they see it and they did not approve you having their face in it, this would be sued. Big time. So it's, you know, obviously it's good, I guess for some reasons, but it's also for filmmaking. It's wonderful for this to be in this scenario because you get all these extras. You've got all this background work that's so real because it's authentic. They're just living their life. And I love the whole conversation because that was completely one shot from when they started that conversation until they got into the room, I believe. Yes, and bless his heart. Niraj was barefoot the whole walk. And the beginning walk where he was introduced which was brilliant the way they matched it to, right? When Niraj was, obviously they did a long walk of him and the more they're getting to the courthouse. But then they got the centipede. And it was basically, I believe, symbolizing what Niraj just did, the big walk. And then also tying the first, cause they talked about the centipede conversation, the centipede frog at the beginning. So it was a beautiful tie-in and almost symbolic of what he just went through getting to the courthouse. Yeah. And he was a bunch of people about to step on him. And then I thought it was hilarious to what the kid said to him right after he said, I think it was something along the lines of, now you have to give him like food and shelter or all this kind of stuff. Oh yeah. He started laughing. So I thought their relationship was really beautiful. And his whole mindset was really, cause obviously he believed in the soul, but he was an atheist. And that's a conundrum in and of itself. It is. And here's probably one of my favorite things about the film, like it doesn't give you the answers that lets you make those decisions yourself. I love that all three of our main protagonists in this, the girl with the eyes, the monk with the... I see it more of his moral conundrum than it was his physical element, though all three had a physical problem. And then the other one with the kidney, that all three of these people, they have very firm feelings and beliefs about what they wanted and what they believed, but they were open to growth and learning and moving on and not becoming jaded or darkened by their experience. They just were in this process, which is a very healthy mindset to be. And when you're talking about metaphysics is why we exist, the purpose of life and all of those moral conundrums we run into, I love that each of these representations, which were analogous of the actual paradox, had protagonists that were open even when they got to the end of the story. But it's just, it's extremely intelligent. Yeah, it's a great, great film. It brings up lots of questions, like the fact that the monk was obviously just gonna let himself die. Which I guess can almost tie into an issue that was, an issue, I guess it's still an issue a lot of times, like assisted suicide almost. It brings basically almost that question. They're letting him die. Correct. Like, and so where does their moral lie? Is it in his hands or are you obligated as another person to not let somebody, he's killing himself? Right. So he's essentially just a longer jumping off a bridge. Right. It's essentially what it is. And most people would say that you need to stop that person from jumping off a bridge, or I honestly, I don't know where even I lie on the issue. I think people really have the right to do whatever they want. Right. But you also don't wanna say that because you shouldn't want to kill yourself, right? No. You should wanna live, but also, there's this person, it's their life, they have the right to do with what they want to do with it. Right. So it's one of those, I love that question because it's such a great debate that you can have. Yeah, I was thinking to myself, if this movie had come out when we were back at Harvest, because not only, theater was my main core that I taught, but I also taught a worldview class. It could be a play. Oh, it'd be a great play. Yeah. I would have shown this in both my worldviews class and my theater class simultaneously. Yeah. Because it just could be looked at purely as a film that talks about metaphysics and then it's also just a work of art. And it's so, so smart. And it also underscores, aside from you could go on and on about the different hypothesis people have had about whether something does become fundamentally different or it remains fundamentally the same using that paradox of the ship that has all of the parts eventually replaced doesn't remain the same ship. Yeah. The other- The answer is no. Yeah, I, does that, I, the key word in that is fundamentally. Yeah, if you're going off the ship, no. I mean, I think it's a completely different ship now. It's a different ship. Yeah. It's fundamentally different. Yeah, but then you go into the aspect they did, body parts. Right. Because there's always these beautiful videos and terribly sad videos that would now make me cry. Like I saw one recently, I think this guy, his daughter died, right? And they got her heart into another man. Oh, my stars. And so he met him and got to listen to his heart. Oh, my goodness. So obviously, as now a dad, that would devastate me, but it springs the question. He's, that's not, it's obviously his son's heart, but it's not in his body. Right. It's not, it's, does his soul lie in his heart? So it brings up those questions, but obviously you associate that person with that heart. I think there was another one where there was a heart transplant or something and they had that person who was a random person walk abroad down the aisle because it was her father's heart or something like that. Right. And so it's this big. Which is why this is metaphysics. Because metaphysics, if you aren't aware of what the term metaphysics mean, what it basically is, is that it's the study of being. And that was one of my favorite things is to mention the first class in worldviews is tell me the difference between existence and being. Things exist and also things have being and what differentiates the two. And it's that whole, it's what makes us who we are and why and who says so. And the beautiful aspect of having definitive beliefs about something but always remaining teachable. I hope as many people as possible can watch this film and talk about this film. There is, you could literally sit down for six hours and talk about this film. And talk about either just the artistry or talk about what they're talking about metaphysically. It's, it's magnificent. Yeah, it's, I can't really find a flaw with it. Like I said, all the acting was gorgeous. In terms of just pieces of art that we've seen from India, it's top three easily. And I'd have to think about that. When I think about high level- And I'm just talking about art. When I think about high level cinema, like the creme de la creme, what we want to put in a time capsule and a thousand years look back and go, this was the best we could produce. I immediately think of three films based on what we've watched in the past year and a half. In Header, Heller Al, and This. Yeah. It was the first three that come to mind. And then obviously, Cumbulon's United Falls is there. Yeah, there's a bunch. There's a bunch. But those are the instantaneous- Not just, not in terms of just film, in terms of like, I love this movie. In terms of like, this is a piece of art that deserves to be in a museum. Exactly. Style of film. Exactly. And there's preserves few that have been at this level because not, and not just in India. It's just, that's the way it is in general. In general. There's films that have won best picture that don't qualify. So I'm wondering, one, why this director has not done more. Yeah. Like, holy cow. Give this man some money and let him make stuff. I mean, unless this was it, this was his passion project. And he's like, okay, done. Next project, I'm over. Could be. Yeah, I don't know. But boy, oh boy, if you have it in you to make more, somebody help this guy get it done. Yeah, it was, and I love the poster because it has that one. If you haven't seen those videos on YouTube of the fungus taking over the ant. Yeah. Some of the coolest videos. I love nature. It is cool. And it does do that. It comes out of 10. Yeah, it's awesome. It's super, super cool. Which obviously ties into what happened to Niraj. And in his head, is it now him anymore? There's so many questions. So it's brilliant. So let us know what she thought about this film down below. Let us know what other films we should watch next. Niraj, let us know what other, his films we should watch next. As if you're one of them. If you're wondering where you can watch this. Amazon. That's all, would they also be able to find it on YouTube? I think it's on YouTube as well. Yeah, I think you could find it with subs on YouTube. But I think it's also on Amazon. That's how I watched it. Yeah, so let us know down below what you thought of it. And there are some metaphorical questions down there. Who knows? Who knows?