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So I'll ask oh sure sure Patrick's like whatever Like large loud exclamation That's the the PR and Patrick he asked a question and leaves we have to Look a very, you know Honest question is like what happens when I do this like does the dog like there's cables everywhere It's like I'm like well, it depends on the dog If if the dog's mellow you might be able to just let him in their room with you If it's like Ray I had to put her in the kennel during the show for a while Yeah, because she was a little rowdy, but now she's now she's just upstairs on her own She's fine. Sure. Yeah, the mailman comes Which house what which house did you buy? Oh, uh a bottle we but we're buying a house. Yeah No, but you had like the one that you oh It was the first one Eileen saw that she fell in love with and I did too right away But that it had gone to someone else then it right and then it fell through yeah And then you were like, huh, did we really fall in love with it? No, she was Eileen was never in doubt No, okay So you got it. Yeah amazing to do the show and don't forget Ask me about it after the show Georgia her Martin Tom's house. Yeah, he'll be coming over to my house to help me move Provided he's in good health lemon cakes and trenchers All right, uh, you guys ready? Yeah I was born ready. Yes Boom in a while Been a while Sarah, would you mind reading line three? I would not all right here we go three two Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash supports This is the daily tech news for Tuesday august 21st 2018 in los angeles. I'm tom merit and from studio feline soon to be perhaps you do Okay, nine. I'm sarlane. Whoa. Whoa Wait a second. I know I just want to keep you on your toes patrick. Yeah, you said soon. Maybe so we we don't know for sure You might be teasing us with untruthful facts It is not fake news. It will be studio k9 tonight whether or not that's a good idea The cats are not leaving though, so it'll be feline and k9. It'll be it'll be studio zoo Anamalia Well, I can't be tough that so i'm just patrick. He's patrick patient And uh, roger chang is here as well. Hi roger. Hello, everyone Let's start with a few tech things you should know Tender announce tender you exclusively for college students It's a version of the app users must have an dot edu email address and be du located on a college campus to participate This is in the us the service will roll out to ios devices at four-year accredited not-for-profit schools in the united states So this is a way to get their app usage in that segment of the population to increase significantly Better numbers facebook started back in the day. Yeah, I feel this is a little bit different Maybe not though Google is redesigning the google fit app for android and the fit section of the whereos app for ios google says it used recommendations from the american heart association And the world health organization to create two new rings users will be encouraged to close Movement it's tracks all kinds of movement beyond just steps and heart points tracks activities that raise the heart rate From risk walking to gym workouts Yeah, this sounds very familiar to apple watch users bbc reports that the district of kenner in india's southern state of kerala the same state that's been dealing with the flooding Is holding classes to teach children about fake news on whatsapp the top official in the district mere Muhammad Ali told the bbc They decided to teach children because the parents appear to believe everything they see on a phone is true I figured if we get to the kids maybe That'll help diffuse the situation All right, let's talk a little bit more about htc. Patrick Well, they announced it's their adapter to make the vi VR headset wireless Will be available for pre-order september 5th for 300 dollars shipment begins september 24th If you have a vive pro, however, you'll need a 60 dollars compatibly compatibility Compatibility pack as well, which includes a connection cable phone padding and attachment device a sensor plugs into your pc's pcie card Slot which broadcasts to the adapter which htc says should get 2.5 hours on a charge VR gamers looking to cut the cord with their pc will be able to pre-order it from september 5th as we said this Seems like an expensive device On top of an already expensive device Especially if you bought the vive pro which is more recent and more expensive than the regular vive And for which you need an additional compatibility pack However, I mean all this is true But the number one complaint that everyone has about VR headsets is The cables are nightmare and sure you'll still have cables, but at least they won't be entangling you between you and your pc So I can see this seeing some Purchasing happened Nick with the c says how's this better than a wireless hdmi link plugged into your regular card? And the fact of the matter is that's because you need more than just hdmi Plugged in on this thing. Uh, so this this makes all of it Uh wireless Which is helpful Well, hdc vive not the pro but the hdc vive costs about 500 bucks now I think it's down something like that down from its original 700 or so Um, so yeah, we're back to if you want a wireless vr headset It's going to cost you 800 plus you have to already have a pc that's compatible with it Not cheap not cheap at all but That I mean I think one of the things that holds some people up is the idea that they've got all this tethering And all this wiring and if if they can't just leave it plugged in Uh, you have it's it's a pain to have to to reattach every time Uh, so being able to just have uh a terminal in the pcie card slot Uh and pick it up when you're ready to play does make it a lot easier. I don't know Yeah, I don't know I think this is you know aimed at people who already have it who have tried it who kind of like it But feel it's a pain to replug every time or the cables So I don't think it's going to be sold with the uh device initially But people are going to get back to it thinking well, I'm already 500 bucks in What's another 300 to make it more usable and convenience is important and this makes it a little bit more convenient. Yeah Uh, and and also takes care of the power, uh, which is another Positive slash negative right because now you can only use it for two and a half hours And maybe it won't quite last all two and a half hours all the time. I'm curious you can buy multiple Uh batteries though and swap them out. So yeah, I don't think most people will use a vr headset for more than a couple of hours at a time anyway, so that kind of Works out okay at the end if you've been using your vr headset then more than two and a half hours consult another battery Let's talk about reputation scores Remember that old yarn at facebook has been testing assigning users a reputation score of zero to one This is over the past year the score is just one measurement among thousands that facebook uses to evaluate reports of problematic content For example, if a user continually reports stories as false That then facebook decides Are not in fact false then that user's reliability score would be lower and reports from that user Will weigh less and deciding whether to have third party fact checkers review a post Yeah, and it's not that facebook decides they're false It's we refer them to the third party fact checkers and they're they say no that that story is not false And what they're running into a lot is people Using the report button punitively to say I don't like this I don't like this rather than it's true or false It's I don't I don't agree with it Which is you know when I when I first heard the story this morning I was like is it like a cloud score, you know like, you know based on your popularity and No, it really has nothing to do with that. It has nothing to do with how many people follow you Or how active you are it's more of yes Can facebook determine that you are perhaps intentionally Trying to bury things that you don't like rather than their Truthiness and it's an internal thing Among many other indicators Right to help streamline the process of fact checking I think a lot of people can easily overreact to this story because it you know, oh sure slippery slope Maybe they'll start using it for other things. Maybe they'll make it public But they have not at this point done either of those things yeah, and I think it's a really clever way of Dealing with the quote-unquote weaponization of reporting functionalities, which is an issue in every system You know if you report people on for example twitch chat or things like that there are there are a lot of instances of Where a reporting functionality is used for griefing So this mechanic could be used to address that and that's quite interesting All right, here's another one that it's easy to overreact to Microsoft acting on a court order has gained control of six domain names created by a group That is variously referred to as either fancy bear or strontium or apt-28 The group is generally believed to be A russian group the group created fake versions of three us senate sites Microsoft's office 365 site and the sites of the international republican institute and the hudson institute And in all cases the sites were doing spearfishing They would try to get users to enter their username and passwords because they didn't realize they weren't really at The microsoft office 365 site or the international republican institute site and then steal them It doesn't appear that they Were were able to gather a lot of those kinds of usernames But it's hard to tell exactly Both iri and hudson have been critical of russia in the past So even though they're conservative sites that could be why this group was targeting them russian president vladimir putin Said the government was unaware of the groups and did not quote know what this interference entails So again, it's it's a tricky line to walk because the russian government officially never acknowledges that they know anything about this Everyone in the u.s. Usually jumps to the conclusion that they do But there is no actual proof that they do what is true is that these groups are attacking Well, I guess they're not attacking this To spearfish and gather information about people in political situations it's You take it you started talking You get it. Well, I just sighed heavily. Yeah, I mean Exactly. It's it's whether or not russia, you know, the government has anything to do with this I I don't I don't know they deny it. Okay Even if that's even if that's fine. Um, the fact that so many people are still Are, you know, they they get duped by spearfishing attempts Of which these seem Pretty sophisticated You know, if you're like this is a microsoft 365 site that looks, you know, everything looks like it It's a we're all sort of used to that but I can create a site that looks like the office 365 site If you're not paying attention and Sure, but I mean, are you going to, you know, be targeting a political figure? well, but I mean that By my point is it's it's actually really easy to create these sites Uh, what's hard is to is to is to get the right people to be tricked into logging into them But that's not her. I think it's also it's also telling that they would do this because This is not something you want to attack if you're not Aiming for something specific. This isn't a money making scheme. This isn't, you know, this is clearly political Uh, uh, or you know state Whether or not, as you said You know, the the russian government act we haven't Definite we don't have any definitive proof that they do but it doesn't seem that you do this I mean, I know y'all are tempted to just run into the into the political storm. No, no, that's not my point That's not my point My point is this isn't to make money. This isn't to extort anything. This is Uh, something that you do as a political attack and So it's not it's probably they're not going to make money out of it. So there's other motivations No, I think it's very obvious that because it's senate sites the international republican institute and the hudson institute what they were going after Yeah, uh, that that that is certain But I just try to be careful to say what we actually know Instead of passing what my hunch might be off as as actual facts, of course, of course I mean That's what I was trying to do as well when I was saying this is probably politically motivated Uh, all right Bloomberg's mark german and debbie who have sources who say apple will release new low-cost laptops And a pro upgrade to the mac me later this year the laptop would supposedly have a 13 inch retina display And be an entry-level option as well as an option for schools. So essentially a Macbook air replacement the mac mini will supposedly have new storage and processor Options at a higher price. So a beefed up mac mini Do we need either of those? Yes I need a beefed up mac mini But and you're you're using a mac mini for the show on a daily basis tom So, I mean, you know the limitations and you know, you know Of this of this machine this mac mini is three and a half years old now. I think roughly Um, and it shows, uh, it is tired and old And I would like to replace it. I don't like the idea of having to pay more for it. But um, but yeah I've seen the tag that's the mac mini pro, uh somewhere which that's a supposition. It's probably like a likely name. Yeah. Yeah, yeah uh, the the more interesting for me is the uh, the the 13 inch retina display Which is as we as I mentioned, uh, probably a macbook air replacement But it's also kind of in competition with the new macbook. Um, which is 12 inch at the moment and Is it going to be a little bit bulkier? So still closer to the macbook air? Uh, I'm not sure. I mean clearly it's going to be an entry level mac So we know who it's for but it seems like the form factor and the use case is similar to the New macbook would be similar to the new macbook, which is not to think that the new mac book would be lighter than one They would call the air So maybe they don't call it the air or maybe this one ends up being lighter even though it's a larger screen Uh, and and then the air name still applies Again, these ghermans very good with leaks So I don't doubt that it's very likely that apple comes out with a new laptop and a new mac mini What they'll actually name them. I mean they might not have even decided on that yet. Who knows? Hmm. It's possible. I I trust apple has Solid strategy in place when it comes to market segmentation If there's something we can't deny them is that they know what they're doing in that department I do recall And I'm not sure if it was the latest version of the pro But there was a macbook pro that technically was lighter than the macbook air at one point, you know And everyone was like, how's that work? So I mean the the sort of the The weight aspect of it is important Um, but I don't think that the air necessarily is just the lightest It's it's more a form factor than a weight thing at this point Yeah, and what's more important than the name will be the price Uh, that right now the macbook is a little bit expensive for people as an entry level Machine so having a price that's under a thousand dollars for a laptop would be a good thing for apple to be able to present Let's talk about netflix which told tech crunch. It's testing the itunes payment method in 33 countries Specifically until september 30th some new or lapsed subscribers in selected markets across europe latin america and asia Will be directed to netflix's website to renew their subscription Rather than renew it through itunes the test started with 10 countries in june then expanded to 33 on august 2nd And plans to run that test until september 30th And back in may netflix stopped taking payments through google play. So this is not Specifically an apple thing, but it sounds like the They're trying to get around that 30 cut. Yeah, no not get around not have to pay it They don't nobody wants that Yeah, get around it Plies to be like, you know, oh is there a way to sneak by they're they're not even trying to sneak by They're like, we just won't go through the store at all Yeah, it's not it's known as if apple doesn't understand this is happening and netflix is like we're doing this Yeah, and they're toys are going home apple has addressed this i think it was last year or the year before where they changed their subscription Model where they take 30 percent the first year, but then 15 percent But it does beg the question about this like if you have a solid reliable subscription service that people love and you Suspect are going to seek out anyway Do you want to be paying apple 15 percent until the end of time? Because your customers just happen to have Subscribed on itunes instead of through your website I think if this kind of thing Takes hold We might see apple reduce it even further for the first year and make it so people Like netflix don't want to bother or maybe it will always be worth it for netflix to bother with this I wonder if there will ever Be a solution to this problem because the way i see it apple's proposition is We're handling the payment processing the relationship with the customer the billing procedure So that you the small app developer Don't have to set all that stuff up You don't have to have a billing department or anything and in exchange we take 30 percent the first year and 15 percent after that That seems like a very equitable arrangement if you're a startup or a small And you're getting going that's awesome What apple doesn't want to do is let go of that relationship with the customer when the big guys like amazon or netflix come in and say Hey, you know what we have huge billing departments and customer relationships We don't need that apple Let us You know sell through you and we'll give you a cut But we're not going to give you 30 percent the first year and 15 percent after and apple just says nope one size fits All you either play by our rules or you don't play at all And and you make people jump through hoops to figure out how to subscribe to your stuff And I think what netflix is doing here is very interesting in in saying We give you a lot of money and we're going to take all that money away unless you come to a compromised position amazon has done it voodoo has done it google has done it they There it is a broken part of the apple system that I think apple just needs to come up I understand it's simpler to have one policy for everybody But if a company is large enough to have its own billing situation You know maybe apple and that company can come to arrangement about sharing a little bit of that customer relationship And bring down the price so that I don't have to jump to the web to buy my audible books anymore Or renew netflix. I completely agree I think in the grand scheme of things apple. It doesn't really matter. It's really small potatoes for them I mean it will it is but at a certain point they have to look at the balance sheet of netflix bales on this You know and say like well, okay, how much more could we be making? And i'm sure they do and right now they're like not enough. Well If amazon didn't make them, you know buckle I Don't know it just uh, I don't Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Hey, why doesn't epic do that with fortnight if netflix can do it? That anyway, so we'll talk about this and well, they're trying it on android first. Yeah, exactly Yeah, interesting. All right, uh, hey, uh sarah found this this article on cmbc today Job search site last or compile a list of 15 top employers that say they don't Need their applicants to have a college degree for certain positions that you don't always need a college degree for a position, but usually Engineers, you know skilled positions. It's pretty standard. Yeah, you'll require a bachelor's degree at the very least Uh tech companies on this list include google apple and ibm Uh and last year ibm's vice president of talent Joanna daily told cmbc that 15 percent of her companies us hires don't have a four-year degree And that ibm looks at candidates who have hands-on experience Things from a coding class maybe or an industry related vocational class when they evaluate their applicants You know, it's fine. I was I was actually excited that patrick was going to be uh on today to talk to us about this Just because you've got the international perspective, but You know, I do have a four-year degree an undergraduate degree Never once has anyone ever asked me to you know You know Show them my diploma, but but it exists and if it didn't I probably wouldn't lie about it um, but I do know Quite a plethora of people many of whom are more successful than me certainly financially That don't have college degrees I don't consider it to be a real factor. I mean, it's certainly not a factor of smarts and wits and and skill We all know that um, but yeah, it seems that you know companies are Are are realizing as well that it's not the marker of the best candidate anymore It's certainly surprising for me to hear this um First of all, I think because in in france at least we don't have the same standardized Four years undergrad then you go on to do your grad you grad school We have diplomas at like I know you also have a two-year thing But we have like two years three years four years and it's starting to be uniform Uniformified a little bit across europe. So four years is getting a little bit more common but I think we I didn't realize that you attached that much importance to your four years degree and My understanding is that the first two years are really general and that in france. We kind of cover this a little bit before so anyway, the bottom line is my image of the u.s. Which seems is extremely inaccurate was Diplomas don't matter all that much Especially in the tech industries at companies like, you know, apple and probably others I mean google they did get started in a dorm in a university and IBM they are, you know squares and suits from the history books, but It would seem like companies in the tech success sector would think yeah Bootstraps people who learn by themselves who go and hack on on the machines. They have It's kind of a little bit mind-boggling that they would require A degree, you know, if you think yeah some most people would ask that they show us their degree But if we come across someone who doesn't have it one and who makes a compelling case for why he has the skills You can't hire them because your policy is to require a degree That seems very strange to me at least it doesn't jive with the image I had of these companies in the u.s. In general Well, I think go ahead Tom Uh, no, all I want to say is it's not like there was a rule against it Uh, there were a law against it But generally you knew in the u.s. That if you didn't have some kind of of post High school education to show you were less likely to get hired for these higher level positions So I'm not sure that it's that different in europe When you I know you have a different and it's hard to compare because it's apples and oranges, right? You have a different collegiate system set up, but You're I I want to know do you are you saying that in france? Uh, if someone came in and said like, oh, no, I've done a lot of coding projects, but no, I have no degrees Uh, they would be equally as considered as someone who has gone through Even a two or a three-year degree Well, probably not as equally considered of course That's what that's what's changing is these companies are now saying like sure sometimes we hire somebody because we can just tell They're really talented and they did something cool like kevin mitnick, you know hacking or or they created an app But what they're saying now is you know what if you've taken a code course and you can show it that you can Code we're not going to go through the formality of making you show us a community college degree even We're just going to hire you based on talent and I think that is a change So I guess I was trapped by the headline a little bit which if I read it, you know Literally, it says they no longer require employees to have a college degree Which I took to mean before that they required employees to have a college degree On paper it was do you have a degree? The I think you know one of the things that I I've noticed and uh, it still happens But you know, there'll be stories every once in a while of like so and so got this really lucrative job But it turns out they lied about their degree Right now, you know, you shouldn't lie about anything, right? But put that aside the person lied about it because they're trying to get the job Because the job required them to have a degree that they didn't have Did they have the skills required to do the job really well? Perhaps they did so In my opinion The less that we you know, it sort of you know, I offer, you know, or or enforce these parameters that that That keep people out of jobs that they actually might be really good at Um, because they may have learned their skills in different ways and again Yeah, when it comes to coding and you know computer science and you know, there's so many different ways to gain knowledge I mean just having interest really is probably You're probably better off than having a degree in a lot of cases Um, and I think a lot of companies realize this and there's less emphasis on the traditional education system At least in the u.s. I guess that's what struck me the most. It's for this industry in particular to Value the degree. I understand. I mean engineers, of course you have to know your thing but I would think And again, that's my view as a european That they would consider the degree as one of the ways you would get into the position when you have a job posting in france And it says, you know job requirements. We need you to be able to type this fast and know this Degrees are not listed there So i'll also reveal something that i've never really had a real job of that kind I've never applied to jobs. I kind of He just So maybe that's why I I've not I never worked in a real company before But I I mean, but you've seen job postings, right? I know Have I ever been interested? No, I've seen them. I just get the feeling that Um And again, I might be completely mistaken because I'm of my lack of familiarity with this even in france But I have a feeling that of course A degree is the most common and most important way you would come by job But if somehow you manage to get experience in that field and have had different jobs before And have proven that you have had projects that are relevant to the experience you're being asked Then the degree is can be overlooked Relatively easily, maybe I'm wrong Well, I I sort of liken it to okay, so if I'm a trained pianist, right? And I can read music and I'm great at that You know and the person who's going to hire me to you know run the piano school, right? They're like, yes, all the credentials are great But what if I'm just good at it in some other way? And I think more and more companies realize that particularly when it comes to technical work The four-year degree word, you know or graduate degree or whatever you have That's a great indicator that you're on the right track, but not the only one Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a matter of degrees. It's not ha ha ha I can't help myself It's not it's not that you Couldn't ever hire someone but the company policies were usually like well the job requirement is to have a four-year degree That's a weed out factor If but but you can make exceptions if you can if you can show and what what I think the story is is There are way more exceptions being made now and companies are even saying you know what you don't even have to have a four-year degree You just have to there's all these other ways you can show this is where I actually wanted to go with the story Is there's all these other ways you can show your skill now It used to be the four-year degree or even the two-year degree was a a shortcut to say Oh, you did train But now you could say oh, but I took this coding class or I took you know There's so many other alternatives now with online learning That are certified or at least you know trust reliable that you don't have to like that's not the only way To show your skill Listen tom all I know is that the founders of most of these companies have dropped out of college So I think you know, this is very ironic. Just saying You know, it's not ironic our subreddit. Thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We're also on facebook at facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show. What's in the mail bag, sarah? Well, I'm glad you asked tom craig That's how he spelled it with lots of that's because Starting at nern-tacular. We began to refer to him as craig Well, craig has thoughts on friday's episode We had our guest shannon morse who was giving us our def con wrap up and we're talking about hotels and the whole thing So craig said You mentioned that deep mind is working with google on using neural networks to control data center coding Cooling rather I happen to work on that project This project was piloted at one of the iowa data centers as and is being implemented worldwide It's very interesting to see that the ai becomes more efficient at operating the cooling system And then we need to keep a closer eye on it because it tries to figure out how to save Even more energy, but sometimes that's detrimental to the equipment So then we have to ran it in until it stopped doing that It's a potentially damaging equipment and can you please not be so efficient to address shannon's comment about security It's a valid question is mainly addressed by the two-factor system in which the actions are compared against constraints that are programmed Locally and cannot be overwritten remotely due to hardware design. Awesome. I I love That a member of our community that at one point was just motorcycling across america and stopping at nern-tacular It's all like city now working inside the data center where they're doing the Testing that's fantastic. Yeah, thanks for the info craig very cool. And also thanks to patrick beijer for being with us this fine Wednesday, tuesday, tuesday, almost almost in australia in australia. It's wednesday. Yeah, well actually For for two minutes. It's been wednesday in finland as well. So you got it, right? There you go. See see i'm on top of it patrick has been going on with you since we saw you last Uh, you know what pixels has been going on That's a gaming show that I do every couple of weeks But uh, we just recorded an episode with alicia judge where we talk about The bunch of things that happened in the past month because I took one episode off So just go subscribe to pixels if you're interested in gaming in general and a show that covers that in detail And uh, should we talk about mvgb or not yet? Let's let's leave that for a day. Well, yeah, we we have uh, Graduated the dts labs games to its own feed And that feed will be posted shortly everywhere and we'll start talking about it Uh, but uh, keep an eye out for that the monthly video game briefing Exactly Exactly and uh, yeah, well you will always get the monthly video game briefing in your patreon feed Uh along with everything else and we are still I think still 12 people away from our goal for the month So folks, uh, get all of the cool membership benefits at patreon.com Slash dts We love your feedback as well our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com keep them coming Honestly, great stuff. Everyone. We're also live monday friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 utc Find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live back tomorrow with scott johnson talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Now we can reveal that that episode While overseen by producer roger chang was actually produced by amos Well done amos can we do it like craig Amos But then Do we do emphasize a or mass Hmm, that's your choice amos I think it's really a matter of urgency though, right because uh, it's it's if you're trying to get my attention to be Amos Like yelling at me because they just stole your car or something like that and it'd be like Amos Or it might not be amos at that point. Yeah. Yeah. We just told me anything Amos feels Um, I have to go and I know you have a ton of things to do guys But I really want to know what's happening with georgia r r martin in the house Oh, you remembered. All right real quickly. Uh, I was telling the story yesterday about how I fist bumped georgia r martin at the losers party for the hugos on sunday Um, oh laser was nominated for a hugo, but we did not win and that was really fun I don't remember what else we were supposed to continue with that story to be honest Oh, was it I think you he was under the illusion that georgia r martin was coming to your housewarming party or something Yeah, no though yesterday yesterday. We were supposed to talk about it after the show yesterday Oh, okay. All right. Well, that's the house. Uh, I don't know any questions Oh, well, uh, can I still crash at your house? Yes Okay We'll have even more room Patrick's like I live in finland. I don't care where you move. How can I crash there? Yes You saw the same to me All right. Well, thank you very much. Congratulations. Did you say you fist bumped? Uh, georgia r martin or I did that is pretty sweet as well. I mean, I'm disappointed very lightly So as not to damage the man's hand. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You should be careful with him I'm disappointed. He didn't like live in your house at some point, but that's well, let's you know, baby steps. We'll get there. Yes, okay All right, tell him he can take my room if you want All right Oh, all right. Well, I mean, I was looking forward to having him saying my room, but All right, thanks Amos Yes Dark knight wants to know if amos is not just named after but also acts like the amos from the expanse No No, he's not as detached No, yeah It's really hard to be that way more affect our this this amos here shows Shows normal range of human emotions Um, wait a minute. Where did it go show Bob? What are we? What are we calling this? What are we calling this? One ring to track them all Get it I get it Man, what what it's very esoteric. Tom. It's you know, you have to think about what is one ring to track them Which story Was the uh, I get the one ring to rule them all reference, but which story does it refer to why am I being dumb? I thought it was the um the google fit Oh The rings die get it now. Okay. Thank you. It's so good. We didn't even get it Well, I didn't Well, I was like, um, I think I know Yeah, that's a quick hit though. It's hard to name a show a whole show. There's also It's also agree to disagree on the degrees pedigree. Oh, that's clever Oh Amos like that one If you like it, I'll send it. Oh, we'll make it so All right, I I'm okay with that. Yeah, I'm good with that sending it famous Very clever All right It's almost poetic Agree to disagree On a degrees pedigree Eric the half a bee So wait, we were talking about george r r martin, but there was also one other thing We were supposed to remind ourselves to talk about house The tv show are yours. I was the house my house. Oh, you're okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. We did we mentioned that George r martin will be moving into tom and elaine's new house correct You know just That's just what happened. So It's just the facts Don't don't downgrade me on they have a spare bedroom. I mean, it's not that weird. All right So tom I have to ask like do you have a plan for the transfer of the studio? Yeah, um, I will put the things in my car and drive them there That part probably was obvious It's a little bit of a different setup. Um, it's a a smaller room um, although it's still pretty big And I probably at least my thoughts right now is I'll keep the bookshelf So it'll pretty much look the same on the video Uh, probably a little bit of a different lighting situation maybe and I've got uh brant Uh on email has sort of tentatively agreed to come Oh good and give me some advice on set it up. He's the guy who set this up He'd be he'd be at least the you know, the right first step Yeah, yeah, yeah getting it, you know similar Uh, I may I may need different lights. Uh, this kino flow that I use I will continue to use for my green screen, but I may be doing my green screen in the garage And that's what I do for tech republic and for this which is not a green screen. Ha ha ha It's not a green screen Uh for this I would do it in the inside the house in the room Now one would think I mean besides the fact that you'd have basically two different studios the green screen Being away from the dts situation is a good thing Yeah, well, I mean because then you don't have to move stuff around I was gonna say ideally I can I can leave the green screen up And if I don't use the same light I can leave the light up right now I have to move the light over when I shoot the green screen And no wonder so slightly off a little bit some days Thanks, no wonder You know whose fault that is the producer of the show Well who heard See emus see Roger's like I deflect Ha ha actually I so I um Don't like when you when you get your lighting Like once you're at that that stays let me know I was wondering if we could maybe pick up the Different gels for you. Oh, yeah, you have a different feel. Yeah for sure. Um, again, it may not be the same light Uh, I I'll have a situation that's more similar to what sarah's got going on there Uh, I may not even use the same camera. I'm yeah I mean, I have Three lights on me that I know it doesn't seem like I do because it looks like I just you know But it's it's quite well lit actually, but it's I mean, this is cheap all this stuff is really cheap You kind of need three lights on you because you have so much backlight and so much natural backlighting And that's gonna be the case in this in my new place too. Um, well, we'll have a little lighting party Yeah party Yeah, so the first thing is to get dogs bring the kids First thing will be to get the keys to the house The uh, then the second thing will be to go over there with brent and sort of figure out like, okay What's the best recommendation? Then it's get the stuff like the gels and all that and then set of books and the whole yeah All the all the good stuff when you get the keys You and I only need to be together and like have that smiling grin like oh, we just made it like they do in the Yeah, it's like we got the keys to the house Well, you know, it's the timing is uncannily Kind of perfect because it's almost it's almost a year to the day since you've changed your studio Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a little bit around. Yeah when I came on So it was yeah, it was mid-october so Oh, we should have a ceraversary Yeah, we should we should Maybe my new dog To be named tbm would tb tbm will be a part of this Oh god, do you have any, um Microsoft cracks down by the way not crasks. We should fix that in the youtube There's a typo We should uh, do you have name ideas yet? I do Um, and I have to reveal them if you're if you're not ready. I understand I'm going to I'm going to refrain Because I want to make sure that When when when doge is in my home And I look at him and he looks at me and we decide that like high five. We're doing this Yeah, the name that I have Is still going to work Because sometimes you don't know sometimes you look at it And you're like, you're like you're just not a yeah, you're not a buddy You're not reginalt, um after all so I thought I would name my dog reginalt, but when I look in your eyes Something about you is just not a reggie not reggie. Yeah reggie is a very cute name But that's not the name that I have. I know I was I figured I was pretty safe with that one Yeah, um, but I but I I'm pretty sure that I have a name. Um, and So excited and I'm really nervous and It's gonna be great. I know I know Just so much So for example last night, I was um kind of tossing and turning and just as one does You know, and I'm thinking like I'm tossing and turning because I'm worried about getting the dog But what if the dog was in this room right now like whining or burking or needing to go out at 4 a.m You know, it's like there's all these things where I'm like, okay. Okay. Well, I'm gonna have to you know That's going to be part of my life. Yeah as of tomorrow So enjoy the silence Sarah. That's the big the big thing is is uh Having the time To take care of them. Yeah during the day Or having someone who can do it right like a dog walker or something like that That's that's to me that most the biggest change that you have to get used to is like Oh, I I have to at least let you out, you know twice a day to do your stuff and I have to feed you Right, you know, I have to keep you from eating the cat food Well, one thing we have Is is let the youtube stream go and tell the rest of us tell the rest of the listeners to Listen to us on the uh the audio patreon feed. Thanks video folks. We'll talk to you tomorrow audio listeners stick around You