 Hello and Happy New Year to everyone! Good morning or good afternoon, as it is in Klaus's situation. And good evening for those who are watching from Australia, New Zealand. And hello, whatever time of day it is for people who are watching this after the fact. And Happy New Year. And Happy New Year. Yes. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Banana. How would you say it in Switzerland and Germany? Good noise. Good noise. Happy New Year. In Dutch. Oh, nice. Christine, do you have any other greetings and languages? Nope. Happy A-U-N-E-R. Anyways, welcome. Welcome to possibly the very first official WikiTree video of 2024. Wow. That's hard to believe, isn't it? Yes. So if this is your first time venturing into WikiTree, WikiTree is a free genealogy website where genealogists collaborate and we work together on a one common family tree and we help each other out along the way. And for two weeks around Christmas, between Christmas and New Year's and a little bit afterwards. For the last few years, we've been engaged in a Secret Santa project and this elf cast is one of the part of that because each day we're going to highlight one wish that a WikiTree or Secret Santa elf has granted for one of their fellow WikiTreeers. And today Klaus, who's joining us, is the elf who granted the wish to WikiTree or Scott Newton. And if Christine is available, I was going to get her to read the wish. Oh. I'm here. You're here? Okay. I just had somebody crawl out of bed. It's so early in the morning. Oh my goodness. Oh, wow. You're a little elf thing. Yes. So would you like to read the wish from Scott? Yeah. Let me put it on the screen for you. That would make it even easier. I'm right here. Scott wrote saying, I'm wondering if anyone can help me with finding my great, great, great grandparents who would probably be from Switzerland. I cannot find the parents for Frederick, Amel, Weibull, born in on the 12th of November, 1821 in Basel, Switzerland, and died on the 23rd of April, 1899 in your Dora, Kansas, USA. This would round out my family tree on my mother's side. Thanks in advance, Scott Newton. Great. Okay. Well, that seems like quite the wish. And I'm not sure where I would start. But luckily we have elves who do know where to start. But Klaus has done an amazing job. And he's found not only the parents of his great, great, great, great grandparents, but he went all the way and found up to his seventh great grandparents on the Weibull side. So there's Scott. So here's the rounding out that he was talking about. So Klaus was able to expand and see up to here with four great, four seventh great grandparents, which was just amazing. Fantastic work. I missed it. Did you sing? Oh, I did not sing. I missed it. On the seventh day of Elfness, a Swiss elf gave to me seventh great grandparents. Perfect. There we go. Oh my goodness. Oh, no, the new year is not starting out well. I'm a little discombobulated. But anyways, there we go. Seventh great grandparents, day seven. Excellent work. There you see it on the fan chart. So there is the great, great, great grandparent that he's wanted to start with. So Klaus, take us through what you did and how you found it. Yeah. Well, hello. Yes. Hello, people. The first thing when you, as soon as you go for a search in Switzerland, you go to the, to find out what is the place of origin for the family. Because in Switzerland, the registration is organized by their place of origin, called in German Heimatort or Birkerort. And there is a Swiss database with everything of the link. I don't know if you can read it, but we used to tell the link. But there you can put in the name and you have a choice where it's sorted after canton, enter the name and then every canton gives the communities where the name is locally a name of a family of origin. And you see in the question was Basel and the base Basel city is BS and Basel countryside is BL Basel Landschaft. And we find there three places in Basel land where they originally came from. You see one more up Buckton and it starts at Buckton. Yes. Well, because that's the most important. Oh. You see also and behind is a that means it's an old family there and then other places you see in 1958, 1895 and so on. That's then when they changed their books in the other place. So we had three places to look after Buckton, Buckton, Ettingen and Lausen. Thanks to clan rats who was also working short on this question. He entered the obit of Frederick Bible. And in the obit is written that he is from B, A, E, H, T, E, N. And I thought well, Buckton and B, A, E, H, T, E, N are very close. So I started in Buckton and I hit right on the correct family. That was very easy. The special thing is in every canton it's different. Well, it's not a problem. There are only 26 canton in Switzerland and quite a few are not online at all. I was happy to find Basel land that the church books are online. Canton Bern, people say that's the slowest canton in Switzerland. I live in there. Isn't that the capital? Yes, that's the capital. But the people are very slow there. That's very good for me so I can't follow them as a Dutchman. But I saw in Basel Landschaft that they have the books online and even there are family registers. Not only the baptism and the wedding and the death records, but also a family record. And when we go on this Frederick Emil, on the Frederick Emil Bible site in Vicky Tree, we see there from the book there is the bigger picture there that the family record of Frederick, called in German of course Frederick, Bible with A.E. written, married with Anna-Maria Thommen. And you see the last sentence is 8 October, 1947, nach Amerika aus. And for Europe the USA was America. For us it's, yes, what is USA? It's America. And so he is written and this is the family. There, one problem you see. His date in the record in Vicky Tree for birth is 12th of November. But the real date is 12th of September. Well, I think they have 12, 9, 18, 28, 1 written somewhere and 9 is November, some people think. I think that's a mistake. I think it's a lot of time that happens that you expect 9, oh, November. Don't think much about it. And the other one is in the record he was married with Anna Barbara. She disappeared now. But Anna Barbara Thommen was his wife according to the record. And she was also in family search. It's the same record. But she was not his wife. So I had to change his wife in Anna Maria. Because every record, you see the original records in Switzerland, every census in the United States is Anna Maria, Anna Mary and Mary or something like that. But never Barbara, only in the orbit. But then she was already 10 or more years. She died already 10 years before him. So the people or they thought, well, that's the name, but she is not. And the thing is, when we go back to this family record, sorry, you see the name of the father is Isak von Tenniken. And that's another village in Canton of Baselandschaft. And there I could find exactly her dates. So she's born as written on her gravestone. She's born 20 seconds of February 1822. And everything is correct. And the other Anna Barbara Thommen. Oh, I could give the name now. Sorry. It's still in the system, but it's a different line. It's not from the same village of origin. So it's very important to keep to the village of origin. The name Thommen, if we should make, we don't do it now, I think. But Thommen is nearly every village in Baselandschaft, a family of origin there. So there are maybe 20 different families called Thommen. I don't know the meaning of it. But they are not really family. They are from the other village and they're not connected. Well, not connected in the last 300, 400 years. So I had to change the mother to Anna Maria Thommen and all the dates and that are in the records now as I found it. Excellent. The administration of the people is still 1875 is by the local community. So if they live in other places, they send the messages to their place of origin. So that's an advantage for Swiss research that you go to just the place where they are originally come from, Heimatort, we call it. You know the Heimat as a famous German word for that's where you are at home really. That's the Heimatort. And there you find mostly, it depends on how could minister or priest or so administrative was and sent also to manage it. The bigger cities, they, like Basel city, they didn't send anything. They didn't think it's important, but well, the smaller villages, they did. And for any research in Basel land, you can always go on this side with the church books. And when we go to Buckton, you see it. It's BAO. Okay, I'm just going to, Sue asked a question so people didn't move, but I think what I heard you say is that they moved, but the records, they fall, if they, there was a record somewhere else, they sent the records back to the original place of origin. Yes, when only when someone was married, somewhere else, or was now mostly birth baptism. The death is not very well-administrated and the marriage is also not everywhere the same. They had to also mention it. I go to marriage in the local community, but they had separate registers and they're not always kept, like not so important. I think in Kanton Bern it's better, but well, more time maybe. Yeah, anyways, I love this page with the pictures of all the churches. That in itself is a work of art. Yes, and then we see Buckton somewhere. Yes, and there's written that there is a church, but we have to go to Sissach. That's the main. Yes, Sissach. The first one? On the top. Yes, they are reformed. Yes, evangelical reformed. Kanton Basel Landschaft was evangelical reformed and only in the middle of the 19th century, there were Catholic churches allowed. Allowed? Yeah, well, there must be some rules. And when you see here the books, Tauffen, Eir, Toto and so on every year, and then you go down and you see suddenly family register. Family register. There we go. Yes, and then there is Buckton you find also. I think, I can't read it when it's so small, but family register of Buckton one. Buckton one. Okay, there's Buckton. Sissach is more important, of course, and then comes Buckton, I think. Oh, there we go. Buckton one. Okay, got it. And the special thing is they go back to, and we see the first, when we just go a bit, you can drop this on the right. On the right are the second thing. You can drop it that it goes away. Yeah, more to the right top, next to the X. There you go. Yes. Okay. On the left you can also, and then we just go a few pages. Okay. I think, you know. Yeah. Do you know what page number? Oh, look, there's the index. The page number one will go. Mm-hmm. Do we know what page number we want? And you'll see the first family is a family variable, and he is the seventh, he is the oldest one. So it was very easy for me to find out because you see in the lines where it goes continues. Oh. But that's a real traditional genealogist. You don't go to the elder one, but you go by, you start with the one you know, and then you go up, of course. And then finally I came here. Yes. So the first entry here was of Hans Weibel from 1678. Wow. But the books are going, the church books are going further up also, but there's not the family register anymore. Then you have to look and read it and find out the marriage date of his parents. They are known here. They are also mentioned. And so also these are known, and you can find it and work on it. But that was outside of the question, of course. Mm-hmm. So that was the thing. I have one or two problems with this Frederick Emil Bible that his name was, of course, Friedrich in Switzerland. And he was from 1821 up to 1847 when he went to America. He was just Friedrich. In the Swiss records it's written on the 8th of October. He left. I think they registered that he was leaving or he left. And you see also it's also the, when he arrived in New Orleans, he's also found in the records. He arrived, I thought, 27th of June of course, later in the month, later in the year, of course. He came about six weeks later. He was in New Orleans. So when you go to the source, you can read everything. I didn't do much about the American story because I thought he wanted the Swiss part. Yeah. And the rest is, you can find out. Yes. And there it is. That would be the... Yeah, that's the list. And then you see the date when he arrived. Yes. It's family. Yeah. So I found of him that he was married in 1844 with Anne-Marie Vival. And I told already in the, before that was written Anna Barbera, which is only mentioned once in the obit. Right. And he was then already 11 years, died before 11 years. And you know how it goes with death records. The names, they get mixed up. They don't really know it exactly and so on. I found also, well, her gravestone. And there is the exact birth date. Like the Swiss birth date. And also his soul. I am sure that Anne-Marie is his wife. And then she is not from the same village in Origen, but from Tänneken. And there you can do, we don't have to do it, but you can do the same thing as we did with Bakten. Don't say it. Just say, see something that's easier. And in Tänneken there's also church and church books. And Tänneken also go there back with the family of Rochester and so on. And a few generations, I went also there. Excellent. So that's the thing. Yes. That's great. That's fantastic, Klaus. That's wonderful stuff. Welcome and Happy New Year, Betsy. Thanks for joining us. Absolutely. Happy New Year, everyone. Happy New Year, everyone. I can't be here. I felt like we might be running a little longer. I feel like, Greg, you need to take your little fingers off. I do have to go. So I will say goodbye. And so Betsy, you can sign off. Okay. All right. We got it. Anyways, happy New Year, everyone. Tomorrow's Elfcast will be at 12 noon Eastern time or 5pm UTC. Thank you again, Klaus. I'm going to leave, but you guys can stick around for a bit longer and talk about, you know, his middle name or lack thereof or whatever else you want to talk about. But I'm going to leave, which I mean, I guess I should stop sharing my screen. Your next duty. Yes. My next duty in the church. Okay. Happy New Year, everyone. All right. Happy New Year. Bye-bye. Thanks, Greg. Thanks. So we were just going over this tree. This is fantastic. You were saying about Anna Berber. Yes. I was just starting Oreo. Yeah. The thing is that he was not only called Friedrich in Switzerland, this Frederick Emil, but I never saw in any record, not in a census record in the US or anywhere, Emil. In Switzerland, we don't have a middle name. And I think it's a family story, maybe, but he didn't have this name. So I think the official record should be Friedrich's first name, not first name at birth. And then his Frederick afterwards from 1847. But this Emil, well, you can put it like this. The nickname? Yeah. Like a nickname. But I don't know. That will be interesting. The name of the Scott, maybe he knows where it comes from, this Emil. Well, that was like yesterday when we were doing our live past. And Lee had all this family information to add that supported all of the records that were found. So it'll be interesting to get that feedback from Scott. Yeah. There's one other thing. I didn't find any official birth record of Frederick Emil. But in his, how do you call it? Confirmation record. Yes. Yes. His date was the 12th of September. In the family register, the date was 12th of September. And on the cravestone is also written 12th of September, 1821. So I've three times I have the date, which differs from the date in who was, which was in the, in the, but still is in the orbit. And was in the first record where I changed it because I can't see a wrong date. That's my problem. So there's 12th of November. That's only in the orbit. That's nowhere else. And in, on the growth cravestone, it's correct 12th of September. You can read it. The photograph in find my grave is very clear. And I could read the exact date. Yes. So that was the problem. Now his wife, his wife was Anna Barbara. Tomman. I must have a look. Yeah. Would you like me to screen share anything? Yes. But Anna Barbara. Tomman. I'll do we see is not number 70. Well, you can try to find her. Is it T, O, L, M, A, H, O, M, M, E, N. Okay. So did you want Anna Maria or you wanted Anna Barbara. Anna Barbara born in 1822 or three. Is that Anna Maria's sister? That's not her sister. Not her sister. That was the wrong partner of, of Frederick Bible. So it was the one I had to exchange with the real class. Could you spell it for me one more time? E, H, O, double M, double Maria, and then E, N. Oh, E, N, N, the number. Yes. That's the problem. Oh, I see. Anna Barbara. Okay. All right. I'll just search. I see. And you said there's a link for Frederick. I got it. Well, I don't know if you can get. I can see it. Yeah. So let me. I can see if it's the right one. The link. And then I'll go there. Okay. I'm on Frederick and this is his wife. And okay. I'm on his wife. Yes. But it's not his wife. Switched out. Yes. Let me, let me start sharing so that now that I've found it. There. Oh, here. Okay. There we go. Tom and 53 is what you're looking for. Anna Maria. Yes. That's not where I'm looking for, but it's. You're Betsy. I sent it in discord. Okay. Man. Are you sent it? I see. Got it. I guess I put it in the chat too. All right. One sec. Yes. That can be. Yes. Should be the correct one. Okay. Anna. Yes. That's it. She was not. Well, the, this lady was connected to Frederick Bible, but she was not even not Anna Barbara, but just Anna with this birthday. It was correct. But another village. Hold. Holstein and not on 10. And with these parents that he had his parents. Yes. And I found out she married with Mr. Minder. And so, so that's really, that was not the right person to miss to Frederick Bible. These are now these. This is a line which are now unconnected. I just had a look, but now I didn't have the time to find more out about this family, but they have offspring. And so that would go on, but I didn't find the connection. Okay. So that was, so I had to change everything. Yes. And, yeah. But it looks like it's easily done. It's easily confused. Easy to confuse some of these people. There's a lot of. Yes. Their families from the places are next to it, but the place of origin is different. That's, that's why I could. That's what you're getting out of. Exactly. Right. So when we go back to the former, that was Tomon 70. Okay. Number 70. That's the lady. That's the new. Yes. And you see she has a sister. She was already in the system. Okay. And the special thing is the name is wrong. Because in, in Swiss books. When you have a double M. They write only one M and the line on top. And then. Interesting. So the name is with two M. And that's also for if someone is called. Zimmerman or something like that. On the last N. There's also written so line. And that means it's with two N. No kidding. Well, there. This ministers of priests are lazy people. Of course. So they did. Yes. Yes. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Every second. So her name is at, as a matter of fact. I didn't change it. I don't change last names. But the thing is. She was. Married. And she lived in the same place as her sister. So she is also buried in this. Odora. Douglas. Kansas. United States. Like her sister. I'm a revival. And her husband also. So. Her name is as a matter of fact. I didn't change it. I don't change last names. So. So I could find. I could connect with this. Yeah. Yeah. They were separate in the system. Yeah. What? I mean, because you Dora, Kansas is not a big place. Maybe a few Swiss went there and then it's. Yeah. I mean, it's distinctive enough that I think with that, you can feel competent. Yeah. Yes. And they married with other Swiss people. Right. Yeah. As a Dutch man, I have a family in Wisconsin from Friesland. I'm 14% Friesian. And they are four or five generations now in the states and they still have only Friesian ancestors. Wow. Wow. I at least, I at least my family went to Amsterdam. I have more defined it over the whole Netherlands. Yeah. They are really their affiliates. Just Friesland. The other thing is when we go back to Anna Maria tommen. Yes. And her husband, her husband. Okay. Her husband. Frederick Emil. Yes. Yeah. Okay. And then we go to this, his mother's line. His mother. Okay. Yeah. Should I go to her profile? Yeah. Okay. To her father then. And then she has a brother called Hans Jakob. Yeah. Brother is also good. Yes. Okay. I'll go to her father. There's. Okay. And then you can death and death descendants. You can. Descendants. Okay. Descendants. Yes. So I found. You see the one to third generation there. Kyle. Johan filmy was already in the system. And so I found that and I thought, well, that's so a special name. I look and well, they, I had only to enter two generations and they were connected already. So that's what I do. I, I try always to look. Oh, is this name already in the system? I try to find the connecting, the missing link. Well, they are connected some way in a different way, but to see to go to do. So also for this family, I found three or four generations more for them, but they didn't ask anything. So not only does Scott get his seventh great grandparents, but he's got all these new wiki cousins. Yeah. Yeah. And the fifth, fifth cousin. Of the line of his. Yeah. And then here this is, well, that's, yes, well, also his cousin. Yes. Far away. Closer than my cousins in America, of course. Yeah. Yeah. My closest, my closest famous cousin is Michael Jackson. But I didn't understand. That's not my line. Michael Jackson, you know. Featured relationships. I find the first one is Michael Jackson there from America. Yes. Great. Yeah. But that's the thing I do. Different to yesterday, where our stories about the families and so on, I do more looking for connections and dates and check it and try to find out. The thing with this, you see, he is filming written. Oh, E that is another by other way to write the O with the dots. It's just so you can in America is better to write it this way. And there is in the family register. It's a normal E I that and in the, in the birth registers is written with a Y. So you can discuss how is the real way to write it. Right. I don't know. I don't know the name. Now in Switzerland is with a Y. You told me with a Y. Yes. Well, the boozer family I saw also a bit. There's a Selina filmy boozer with Jacob boozer. They are from the same area, but I didn't have a connection yet. I will look somewhere. Yeah. So I connect. I try to connect and I try to find it. But the most important thing when you go for Swiss research. You first always find out where's the place of origin. Heimatort. That's really the thing where everything runs. You know, I'm, I'm Dutch and now since 20 years also Swiss. And my place of origin is the place of origin of my wife. That's so arranged here. Nowadays the people can have two or three places of origin, but 50 years ago it was no, it was just your place. And sorry for the women. As soon as they marry, they lose their place of origin and they are just kept from the husband. And that's for the modern rights for the women, of course, what I think is good. I can say I want to keep my own place of origin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wow. That's so interesting. It's fascinating. Yeah. I learned, I learned a lot and I'm inspired too. Just just in time. Yes. So that's what I did with Swiss. I didn't do the part in America. That's, I think, well, I'm, I did a lot of research for Dutch immigrants, immigrants to America, but that's a different thing for Dutch people. But we don't have in this region of Basel, the newspaper registers are not online. In Bern, they are online. So I can go in the newspaper registers and also in Zurich, because I'm a reader of the Neue Zürcher Zeitung, which is the important journal of Switzerland. I have entry in the archives. But in Basel, the newspaper is not online. One of socialist party newspaper which disappeared 30, 40 years ago, I think. Yes. But that's very small. So all the things I heard yesterday about this newspaper, things and so on. And I see in Santa also a lookup in the newspaper that is not available here. No. But the trade-off is your canton registers, which are amazing and so full of information to record all of the family groups. Yeah. I think that's unique. Yes. In, I don't know, every, I thought every canton is different. And in the 19th century from, I think from 1820 or so, they changed from church books. Well, still all the baptisms and so on were in the church books. But there came also a registers of all citizens, but not those who live there, but those who have their place of origin over there. So that's another register that is not free to search in canton of Bern. I have to pay 150 Swiss francs a year for it. And then you will be checked and then you have the chance to do it. It's not allowed to make any picture. Okay. Well, they did don't collect your mobile, but it's not allowed to make any picture. And it's written in, maybe you have seen sometimes the old German writings and so on. Well, it's the same writing. And not even everyone, we've seen this, this Dany Gutknecht, who showed us writing, but that's really nice and clear. But they didn't write. They sometimes write really like Dr. Sacher writing. So that's good. But for Switzerland, it's, yeah, it's very nice to do. And I see you were able to get Anna Maria's line back to the 1600s as well through her mother. Yeah, yeah. That's fantastic. That's amazing. Well, you know, the puzzle is when you have this family register, the puzzle is not that big. And I think I didn't go to, oh, yes, the last, well, I think it was also in the, this one was also in the wicket three already. Okay. Yeah. You can see it for the manager, the PM of it. Right. So I could just connect and connect it. Yes. No profile manager. Oh, yeah. Orphan. Well, well, that's, that's the problem. You have to orphan it. I get every time, every day I work, as I said, the warning now you are over 5000 again. So I just, I just throw away again. Yes. Yeah. Yes. But I think I hope I found the right trick. Yes. So that's amazing. Thank you so much. That was fantastic. Yeah. I love how every day we're, we're learning something new about a different country. Yes. Yes. I like it to learn every day. But I've still, I've no time to do this, you know, I have to enter all my data and so so much. Yes. Okay. That's all I think. Thank you. Okay. Thank you so much. And, um, yeah. Christine, do you want to say what's what the schedule is for tomorrow? I think tomorrow our live cast is at noon. Let me just double check here. No, I, I think Rick said it was at noon, but he doesn't have it in bill. Yes. He said, he said five five UTC, he said. Yes. Yeah. So we'll, we'll see you at noon tomorrow for the eight day of illness. Yeah. And happy new year, everyone. Yeah. Happy new year. Yeah. Thank you. Bye. Bye.