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Show them your school clothes, one more time Show them your school clothes, man I got some light on, I got some light on Show them the, show them the, turn the light on Just give me the light Show them that new nigga shit It's time to do my dance Okay, yeah, come on, come on now Everybody, everybody enable Everybody enable All right, we're friends Come on now That's what they do Okay, yeah That's what they do They tear decadent shit Come on, man Everybody, I didn't even notice They go up to the top Come on, now he going crazy He got his school clothes on That's what he want to go do That's what the fuck he went Yo, he was supposed to be here earlier But we see he went to go goddamn Put on his school clothes Now this guy right here We started off doing comedy together Hold on, we go back further than that Where, man, MCI world Come on, now hold on It's almost like we finish each other's sentences Stop saying the same thing we're saying You stupid Just like old time Just like old time Just like old time Yeah, man, he was in my dad's Gospel play The Will to Survive I've got it Come on now He's sharing one stage If we didn't sell the tickets Your daddy would let us in I said, man, I'm in the play How I can't get in You ain't got no tickets, man Needless to say, he wasn't a Dr. Hatch is my dog I ain't going to shit on him I'm going to shit on him, man Nigga's going to leave my mom until 63 Apparently that nigga wouldn't Walk with him like he was talking to that guy No, no, no, he ran out on us I told him if you break up with my mama We ain't friends no more If you break up with my mama, we not friends no more Another bitch to survive, I forgot Little sad joey Pray for you, my brother Hey, man, so Once again, the list goes on We worked at MCI Worldcom We was like the top salesmen's up there This at 18, 19, 17, 18 Okay, yeah I was 16, you was younger Yeah, I was 16, when I was working up there Now I was making like $1,500 a week This nigga making $4,500 a week Oh, I was making so much money I didn't It was crazy Mind you, we didn't know we were scamming niggas at the time Before Nigerians by you We started to scam your shit Yeah, you started that shit, nigga The 90s The 90s We started the shit Whatever It took to get your ass To switch over to MCI We were saying that shit Nigga, we can switch your ass over here right now You're $20 to switch over Do you remember your opening thing? Yeah, hello, this is Farani Pride and I work for MCI Worldcom I'm here to help you lower your phone bill and everything We're not asking you to marry us We're just saying this date is for a couple of months As a matter of fact Who are you with right now? I'm with AT&T AT&T Did you know that AT&T is charging you $4.75 a minute And everything plus overages? I didn't know that I thought I was paying $.5 a minute And you don't deserve that You do deserve $.5 a minute I'm going to give you a negative $.3 a minute A negative $.3 a minute Sign me up Okay, now I'm about to send you over to our third party verifications And all I need you to do is say yes to everything Don't say no to nothing But you're going to fuck my I mean this won't go through And then you remember the MX they used to give us Cash at the end of the day I ain't even know That it was real money I had a whole bunch of that shit under my bed And my dad kept on stealing this shit And then when I found out it was Y'all stole my shit man He knew exactly what it was Dr. Hatch is going to reoccur in this story Throughout the whole episode Let me finish introducing you So After that We started Doing comedy together He was already doing comedy And I started when I was 17 How old were you when you was Right after the MCI situations I met Duval on the bus He's riding the bus on that Duval, yeah And I overheard him talking about it But I was already thinking about it and going up there But I think I turned 21 in the club I was just so nervous I wanted to go up that night I wanted to turn 21 on stage But I was just so nervous And I think I seen I think Chris Tucker came in that night Chris Tucker was in there Hold on, hold on, hold on Let me finish, I ain't even tell him who you was I ain't even tell him who you was This guy is A Comedian He's a mind One of the biggest Video music directors out right now So I'm talking about Versace Versace Damn, they're all the biggest Migos videos Little baby videos Every song Every fucking song that the city girls Then did and whatnot That's a hit, he did the video for it He did the video Without further ado, y'all give it up for Video God, Gabriel Hart From Memphis, Tennessee, goddammit Love Memphis to be exact Love Memphis to be exact Did you know that Memphis Was going to be on top one day like this? Honestly I didn't like the Sponics of Memphis music When I was growing up I loved the music But I didn't love the competitive side Of it because I always looked at New York in LA My favorite artist growing up was Ice Cube Scarface Sonically, the music sounded way better Than the lo-fi shit we had Right, Memphis? Not realizing That was the soul We had that kind of identity And self-awareness that they have now Because growing up we was embarrassed of Memphis Because it wasn't West Coast, it wasn't New York It was not even Atlanta It was super gritty and that's what I have now That's why I'm still around today Because I got an element in my work But in time growing up I didn't have When you grow up And you want to eat pizza But your mama making cornbread and collard greens Soul food That's what I need That's the stuff I value It was like that I didn't value it, but now I see now It's the soul of it I feel like Atlanta music is a combination Of the Miami bass And the Memphis hardcore rap Together With the money and economy And the stability they had in Atlanta To me that's the sound of Atlanta 100% I agree That's just my opinion, I'm not like a Gospel of it That's just my rationale I wanted to bring some attention to some Man, if it wasn't for You And Roland You guys I wasn't even really fucking with that YouTube shit I didn't understand That my cousins Was owned until y'all told me that They were huge It was an electrifying He was like You see what the fuck they doing Yeah, I mean just uh They still doing it in Memphis now with Duke Deuce The Crunk ain't doing it Everybody's going in numbers Kanye West just not got on to it It's like the ensemble It's like how Unix used to be Back in the day in New York Like a thousand dudes in black Hoodies it's something energetic About that, you know what I mean Y'all were kind of like a little piece of that I mean it wasn't in Cash Count It was four of us So four guys And there's a testament to all black people Black men in general When you organize you create a movement When you by yourself you just good luck You know what I'm saying When you organize Even in choreography when black men Unite and be on one page That's when you make everybody Pay attention because it's so rare For black men to be Coordinated and not having like A battle for the top Of hierarchy everybody is in sync That's rare, so I think that's a testament Of why it worked, you know what I'm saying Message That's an incredible perspective I appreciate that You guys were genes in there And just working together I think that's one of the main reasons why Well you just said it Why it worked and why we still here today And that's why you know A lot of that stuff we did We were so young too So just our age Doing that stuff It made us so rise and got us where we at now So now that we're older We already know how to do it How to keep doing it and make it look with it That's what made Michael Jackson spectacular Is that he was young doing it That's what made his age a little younger You were more spectacular at nine Singing You're genius You're something about being young Organizing like on point Temptations and when you grown People expect you to be talented When you were a kid Oh my god He must have been here before He knows something He was 12 He was older than when he was 12 Yeah that was long So when he got older Did he keep his line age Or he told the world he was lying the whole time The fans don't know the truth The fans The Beehive was nothing compared to Michael I don't know what they call it Michael fans He had true fans Fanatics They call it Jackson Mania Some shit like that Once again From a kid I was talking On one of the last episodes That Michael Jackson Was A different way, five different times In five different generations Voice changed all different Times and he adapted to The way he was growing And he made us accept it And he made it cool That just goes to show you Of how much of a genius He really was You know what I'm saying It's not even fair How much talent Michael Jackson had Yeah Rest in peace And Michael Jackson had a lot of business smarts With him too Not only he had the talent But he had the business down pat I think that's why he was just so big And he couldn't be stopped The man went and bought the whole catalog For all the artists that was on his label Yeah I heard he bought somebody's catalog And gave it to somebody else The Beatles Yeah, the Beatles catalog He tried to give it to Farrakhan No, brother Jackson No, no, no Those people are after you Find somebody else to get that shit to Hilarious No, my brother, I think I'm gonna die on my own Yeah, I will die by myself By my own But yeah, Michael Jackson He was just on a whole other level When he had bought Sony and Who even thinks to do shit like that Incredible business mind Yeah, he was on his shit though, man Yo, so gay, man Let's talk about hot topics real quick Okay Usher, Super Bowl, Halftime Crazy What y'all think, y'all? I think What's her name? Kiki Palmer She better not go She better not go It look like she back on good with her husband I think she need to get on there at the end Like Lil Mama did Just stand there and stand up on the stage Like Lil Mama With the baby and the daddy just to make it all I'm gonna say this, I honestly like The fact that they got somebody black I feel like the Super Bowl has been trying To cater to the black audience These last couple Super Bowls Just because of all the racist things That was going on in the NFL You know, dating all the way back From the cabinet And the kneeling Just, you know, the whole train That was on, but now I feel like they're trying To right their wrongs And give us that platform Give us that respect that we need I think Usher represents the black culture You know, a lot So putting him on that platform Before him last year No, no, it was Rihanna Then it was Dr. Drake Oh, yeah, yeah So last three That's supposed to be black They been stepping it up with the black Yeah, Rock Nation, Jay-Z And everybody contributed to it I like that a lot though I feel like they definitely right in their wrongs And you know, that's show change Plus most Americans have grown up with Usher Oh, yeah And the stereotype is that Country white music is the mainstream American music, but now Hip-hop is America's music And all races and denominations Grew up listening to Usher And singing just as loud And know every word just like we do So it feels like But if you don't give it a chance, you'll never know So I think he deserves it Plus it's good to go and watch something To artists that I grew up listening to Is Usher an icon Or not Absolutely What makes Usher an icon? The longevity Yeah, consistency Exactly This man got a Top 100 Top 10 record right now The good record Oh, yeah It's number one in the R&B charts And his debut was when, in 1990s It's number one on the R&B side And I definitely Like Top 20 Or Top 10, I don't know Don't quote me, but if you're number one on R&B You definitely got to be Top 10 In a Hot 100, you know what I mean? Sure And that debuted at number one Number one on radio And he's done everything with integrity At a high level I think over the years, his videos Be all on point, you know His music, his collaborations He doesn't overdo it He's been experimental He doesn't far too far From his demographic When he did the Vegas show It's phenomenal He made it Atlanta, but universal at the same time He's made the city look good Even though he's from Tennessee Chattanooga Chattanooga, Tennessee But we definitely claim That Usher Who does Usher bring out? Or should he even share the stage? Chili? Why? I don't know, I feel like I don't know, I just been a student But at the same time, it wouldn't be bad To just make it Atlanta, all the way But you think that the masses Will appreciate that? It'll set the internet on fire You know what'll be crazy? If he start that out like, no, no, no Quit playing, quit playing, for real At the beginning of it, bring Chili out You want him to put Chili in his 13 minutes Nah, but Usually the Super Bowl Is the recap of your whole career The highlights, and she is the muse And the person that actually got the music About him No, no, no Listen, no Confessions is not about Chili Confessions was Janet Jackson's story The one before You got it bad The whole, what was the album called? 87 on one That was the album about Chili You remind me of a girl I once knew Confession was just The icing on the cake Man, no people know that But the people ain't gonna give a fuck About no goddamn Chili On the Super Bowl Sunday So who he gonna bring out then? Little John You gotta bring out Ludacris That's all, that's it Stop right there Don't do nothing It ain't nobody else that he did That we would That's gonna get that shit Popping like that I think it'll be hot They're not gonna clear that I'm not mad at that I'm not mad at that I'm for black women So Chili can be out there Please Cause they like football too Yeah My boo in the Super Bowl Nah, nah Nah, nah Is that Chris? Set it off I thought you was the nation of this long Man, I ain't wanna What's up, man? Time out for a Brejohn session What's up, man? You got them off the boat, ain't you? Big face, man What's up, man? Oh, good to see you Hey, man One of the funniest parts about this video was when we had shot the Desert Storm scene You using that scene, Chris? I don't know how they go without it We go Straight like that We did that Lake Lanier And motherfuckers to this day when they see that video they really thought I was in Desert Storm It's just how I shot it Yeah, yeah, it looks amazing Yeah, yeah Yeah, well back to Usher, man Super Bowl, I think that like I said before all he needs is this Lil' John and Usher Lil' John and Ludacris Keep him once again It's 13 minutes It's a melody Get in there, get out of there Once again, he deserves it Man, what is it? Consistency, man In fashion and being a gentleman, being professional Good business sense You can't be, you know, begging for your masters on the internet, you know because that lends to you being a strategic I think, you know what I'm saying Let's go back to you what you just said about being a gentleman Even no matter what you had to say about Usher he ain't never respond to none of the bullshit Very classy He do pretty good at staying out of the headlines, too Like you don't hear a lot of crap about Usher You don't see a lot of stuff Another person that's like that, too, is Tidalis sign Oh, yeah, Tidalis sign You don't really hear bad news about Tidalis sign You don't ever hear him being in the headlines for cheating on somebody Because usually, in my opinion, when people actually are talented and good at what they do there's no room for people around you that can trigger that That's my opinion You're so locked in you attract other people that are locked in because they're going to be the only ones that value what you're doing That's true We're rehearsing all those choreography moves and going to the studio and traveling and they see your tone that you said Everybody's going to fall in line with that You know what I'm saying It's going to be a lot of respect for that No one's going to want to disturb that because they respect the art form They're allowed it by a lot of drama and all the other stuff that goes on But at everybody's heart, they still are artists You know what I'm saying? But they still got to manage to get their attention and the only way to get attention through it is now it's like negative stuff, unfortunately But he hasn't succumbed to that No, he ain't never did that I think it'll be pretty dope if he brought out Diddy I need a girl Him and Diddy got a lot of records Or Duel got a lot of records I'm not with you on that one I think Diddy needs his own Diddy is iconic in New York When the Super Bowl come to New York you get Diddy You get that Let Diddy go on here I think that Usher needs to let the life shine and hold Yeah I wouldn't take it in no other city Everybody got to be from Atlanta I got somebody to get the Super Bowl Diddy needs to get the Super Bowl with Usher Who's that? His Eugene Well, he's stupid He can't spin that motherfucker around He's stupid You gotta do Just to his genius once again Even with the whole Kiki Kama situation He embraces it He used that new song that you were just talking about and he capitalizes off of it, this situation You know what I'm saying? He didn't cheapen it He was a gentleman about it and you can tell for real though that Usher do not want your bitch He cool on that If he wanted to I appreciate it Kiki Kama I didn't even know her ass was that fat I liked that whole What was the whole problem with him just singing I didn't understand what the problem was His boy just had a problem with her booty being out like that That's what he was tripping on It wasn't that he sung to her It was about how she was dressing But then Kiki Kama 23-24 or something like that That's some young people shit That's how she was feeling and you can't tell no woman how to dress and then on top of that, you gotta know what type of woman you got If that's what she wanna do, you gotta go with it You met her like that You gotta go with it like that I know who Usher should bring to the Super Bowl 100% sure The Atlanta Falcons Let's get them boys to the Super Bowl I'm not mad at that I'm not mad at that I didn't know where the fuck you was fixing to go Get them boys to the Super Bowl Yeah I like it I like it Topics man I have a question for you Go for it What would you do if you was Kiki Kama in that situation and she was like in that situation with Usher as he serenading her singing to her and she had that response she also had a response too she was kind of lusting over him a little bit how would that make you lusting over who Usher, she posted another video when he had his abs out and all some other stuff he was like wet, it's a real R&B vibes For me Kiki Kama I understand what she's doing and you can't pay for certain publicity and she needed that shit so I would embrace that and I would support her that's what I would do once again Kiki Kama my girl I know what type of girl I got and I know that she needed that look and I'm like yo, you should have pulled this outie out grab him by the neighbor pull that motherfucker out like that look that nipple on TV get your money going embrace that shit you got to go and pimple that's what I would have did I'm just in a different space when it comes to relationships now I get it people are going to do what they're going to do and you're going to do what they'd rather do knock knock who's there? a scared little boy named Jack you heard him Jack I'm cool with it what you want me to say? what you want me to say? what can you do? respectfully too, she was there by herself he wasn't there there's a new clip of Usher singing to get well, about to sing to Gabrielle Union that nigga Duane Wade right there maybe you can help me with this Jack see a real nigga believe in what? nah, I ain't doing that you've been believing yeah, calling the police on that real yeah, fuck that 8-Ball MJG yes, yeah don't let 8-Ball MJG get your head up I'm going to say that shit I'm standing on this pimping well, go ahead, stand on the pimping, you do it tune in next week as I stand on this pimping and we get all the counsel I can't get no more counsel than I'm already counsel you can all counsel you on my shit thank you this is my dream 100% okay, Carrie Washington she just dropped a new book called Thicket and Water now what this is about she was one of the first people that had been artificially inseminated and just found out her daddy when her daddy yeah, back in the 70s and whatnot so she's a test tube baby wow that's what they used to call test tube babies is artificially inseminated people she just found that shit out my whole thing is how do you deal with finding out your daddy ain't your daddy well, I think most black people can skip father's day they save a lot of money doing that I do, I don't give a fuck I wouldn't care if it's your mother I think that'll hurt I don't know if y'all didn't know who your daddy was do you feel like you needed to go find out who your daddy is or I don't think if I didn't know who my pops were I wouldn't I don't think I would want to just go and avoid to go try to find him I would be like he's gonna find me unless he didn't know I existed but you was artificially inseminated though so that mean you ain't even supposed to go find him you know what I'm saying so somebody pretty much just jacked off in a cup and they pulled it in your mama why her mom do that cause she wanted a baby the person that she was with was inadequate inside that area that's right but he raised her like his own he raised her like he was own yeah she does I wouldn't care I would start there with my mom like hey what was this situation because science and this don't make sense so as long as my mom is able to let me know where her mindset was at that time and I can start to empathize a little more I feel like I'll be able to understand a little more Gabe I think that Kerry Washington's career probably benefited from being in that fish out of water I think we have these vibrations that it's a greatness we don't know why we make the decisions we make and I think it was all in God's plan I think it was a manifest destiny for her to be who she is had she had this normal upbringing maybe she's not the Kerry Washington that we know maybe she doesn't feel outside it she doesn't feel like an outsider in her own home cause your soul know where you belong that's right that's true insecurities benefited her that's my opinion so that's just how I feel about that do you feel like it showcases business to know how they got here of course of course I'm talking about like in a situation like that yeah of course I think I would owe it to her to explain to her sooner I wouldn't want her to know by any other way that to me a little deceitful you know what I'm saying just be honest be real give her that option to know who the other side of her is not live a lie I thought if you could get like a sperm donor you can't even know who that person is you just but still to let her know that she is part that's how she was conceived she wasn't just our child you know what I'm saying I have a question for you with that Gabe at what point do you tell your child that is that something at an early age I think ultimately they have their child is she married she got married with two kids she should not go into the life even if she is spirits and bloodlines and passing on generational blessings and generational curses without explaining why certain things don't really make sense cause she probably have a whole bunch of unanswered questions stuff that just weren't answered so I think you owe it to your child your functional adult functional relationship with your child I think that's on the table in my book imagine this do you know your daddy I don't do you care I really don't me neither but once again I know I know the story on why I don't know I know the whole everything I was talking about I don't know who he is I understand I get it I get both sides so it's closure I can move on I'm not running from him but at the same time it is what it is but I think we owe it to the kids to explain to them this is what we need to do at the time this is your road now you can go left or right I know a specific situation like with Offset particularly he didn't have the best relationship with his dad from what I understand growing up and there was a period of time when he was doing the press run and I think he went on Breakfast Club and he was like not dissing him you know what I'm saying on a couple of songs he might have called him a J or said he tried drugs and stuff like that but he went there and was like hey look man I said that to get your attention because we good like come back he thought that was real dope he just put that out there and his dad did come back and he got him a truck and helped him start some business and some more shit and now they really cool and they touch I mean if you are able to make like full circle like that I put you in a position where you become the parent and you become the leader of the head of the household if you can bring and have a house because of his fans he able to have a house again he able to put a roof over their head people can come to one spot and get together so I got it I get it so if we can go out in the world and be stronger and more self aware and battle these giants out here in America and be an artist and be able to provide for our family to bring everybody back and if that can happen then I'm all for it and if he can do it too still they sperm probably need to do money right? I feel something so maybe you need a little bit of help not fame but just sometimes a little financial support or moral support your life was worth something it wasn't all of a loss mental health especially in black men man this is real we supposed to be these strong fearless human beings that are physically strong but mentally dependent on validation from everything else other than our own mental health I think that if he knew that I love you and you were a part of this even though you wasn't around that could help him whatever he got with his other children maybe he can become a better person in that way but it's all relative man it's all relative she could do when they take your DNA the ancestry they don't lie and find out who her real dad is from do she know him? no she don't know it's just some guy that needed a couple dollars she look at the opening though or maybe like Somali or something yeah she does what she have a shot and I'm some of the most beautiful she's gorgeous I dare say the most beautiful women in the world cause they all have the mitochondrial DNA which is the gajin which means most black women in Africa or from African descent have the mitochondrial DNA and that is the DNA that has all the genetic makeup of all races so you ever seen a woman with an albano baby? yeah I do that's mitochondrial that's a mutation so black women are very powerful very very powerful let's give it up for black women now just to add on to what you just said to Gabe you know Shaq even talked about he's glad that his daddy wasn't there cause he wouldn't have been who he is now can you imagine if your life is going great and you are able to accomplish the feats as far as Shaq did or even offsetting or not if your daddy had been there then how would that have changed his future? 8 foot loser come on now that got damn tall working at the stables in a changing light bulb exactly with no ladder every time I see a tall ass nigga working at some stupid ass job I was like damn his daddy must be in his life no sense saw what I did right there I see what you did Colin Kaepernick this guy he just the Jets Aaron Rodgers he wrote a note to the Jets and told them if Aaron Rodgers is not able to come back he would like to take his place how do y'all feel about that? I think the NFL should give him a try again man I mean I don't know I'm pro black man you can't be pro black you can't be pro black to say that nah nah nah let me tell you something hold on let me go ahead and finish it up Gabe how do you feel about that I'm over here so I pointed right to you can I be vividly honest with you guys if you don't mind fella let's talk about it I don't give a damn Kaepernick okay man look you got the Netflix movie I watched it if the movie would have been good I'd say yeah give him a job but it was alright it wasn't all that you know what I'm saying he got a proper tone he talks proper I can't get behind that you know what I'm saying I'm just playing I don't know I think it's too late I think the practice squad is what he has to do yeah he's asking the practice squad I don't know I think he sat home fucked up and I think integrity and dignity he just leaves with that shit you know what I'm saying to me do it again tell him what you're saying I feel like he won he was the first person over the hill he was the first shoulder to get hit with an arrow and he took one for the team for him to come back and still try to get a seat at the table after he didn't actually bop the whole building is kind of productive I think his voice is more powerful in the executive room he came back and won ownership you know what I'm saying give me freedom and then you come back and you want to help run the slave field nigga that ain't I feel like they should do something make something right with him though they did they gave him an undisclosed amount of money and I think a position in the executive room I think that's more powerful than him playing on field at this point I think Colin Kaepernick needs to reach out to Ice Cube and help him with that that's dope big three yeah that's big if you got a problem with these people and this is what you're kneeling about alright go to talk to somebody that looks just like you and they're betting for you to win and they're putting their money where they mouth it see me myself I think Colin Kaepernick is super cap emphasis on Kaepernick because I don't understand why would you want to go back and play for some people but you felt like I pressed you and obviously I ain't fucking with you and what not on the NFL side of the team we don't know what this nigga gonna do again and he gonna poison whatever team he go to he gonna poison whoever he's like influences and he might do that shit one more time and disrupt you know he makes a football and shit yeah so he look crazy you know after you didn't just say it kiss my ass so it almost make me feel like hey when he took a knee was he tying his shoe and then like oh shit oh everybody got them on my dick now okay yeah but the knee wasn't against the NFL or his love for the games it was against the police brutality you know what I mean if you mean it stand on it and that's why I say he should go to ice cube with your tail tucked between your legs but he can't why go to ice cube what he want to do he want to play yeah it's the love and the passion for it yeah but I will do you want to fuck with somebody they don't fuck with you if that's the only way that he get should he go overseas and play go to XFL go with the rock go play for XFL if you want to play but don't go back to your oppressor yeah I agree I agree with you on that man fuck that fuck them niggas I never even knew that's basically a league that he's creating for football come on now that's it that's basketball he want to play football but he wants to play football I get it ice cube football he can do it for football they got one called XFL how about them folks he can go to the rock he recruiting right now and everything you know and he can be the man over fucking there he can be like the John Madden over there and now you talking about ownership now you talking about percentage okay that's all I was trying to say you got a voice over there you know what I'm saying exactly but you think the rock going to want to take that chance it might it was Tox he had that Tox situation and thanks everybody else not one of fun me because they see I'm rocking with this dude he do have a point there because that's what the big three is having an issue too that's how it works cause they'll tell you not to do advertising with that yeah right put your foot in your mouth yeah so I mean I think he did what he was supposed to do and a lot of times the screams from the fans is infectious and people get addicted to that stuff that's the worst double meaning what Jay-Z say the stronger than you look in the mirror like that I am come on now so look when you get in front of those fans they give you all that love you walking in any restaurant you even for free and then one day it all stops that's hard to that withdrawal is very hard I see artists go through it all the time I know athletes must go through it even preachers you know he gotta figure out how to suffer in silence yes yeah you have to have an extra strategy and if somebody told me there's some room for Erica to come over here there's another mic over there we can share mics like Lisa Marie and Rick James actually JT you swap out with me yup hey y'all give it up for YBT we're gonna go catch a flight and whatnot he'll be back next month YBT that's my cousin right there young boy take it over yeah both of them are my cousins YBT and Lil Playboy that's Erica Duchess no I love you Marlo in a minute next to meet you let me give you a hug what you mean what was our other episodes how these more black men oh my god he know about my roots and shit like that that shit turned me on over there they tell me more tell me more oh yeah when they say queen when they talk about black women it's real oh my god yeah I like that what's that lady who has the vaccine DNA? Loretta Heriata Heriata they took her DNA and created the vaccine for all kinds of stuff even the COVID vaccine I talk about that all the time that's crazy that's good I talk about it all the time elaborate on it I see it's a lot of people that does ignorant of this yes um if you don't know it was this um black woman in her she had cancer or something she went to a doctor in the end where they check the cells whatever her cells that she had it was able to reproduce and it's like still going on to this day it don't stop cause you know once your cell hit the air it's supposed to die something of that sort by hers then and it reproduces Oprah Winfrey did a movie about it yeah she did a whole movie about it check it out it's really deep and I'm not educated on it yeah so I can just give you a little but just look up her name and understand that that's what y'all made of so you know it's real that women should be protected in more ways than one because they're exploiting her and her family don't get no residuals curing polio, smallpox, covid and nobody in your family gets any residual income from your mama and I'm gonna say DNA from her DNA they went and researched what else they did on research on her children they messed them up kind of her children don't got it nobody got it because mama was the only person ever because it's a genetic mutation it's like the X-men mutate you so it's a phenomenon you being born is a phenomenon you're the only one of you in the whole existence of life so that genetic makeup is the same way it's like every generation the mitochondrial DNA kind of gets weaker and weaker is that what killed her? that's not what killed her she had cancer you think that might have caused her cancer? no I think that was just what it was because back then the level and the percentage of cancer was so high all black women kind of died of cancer what if she didn't have cancer and they just told you once again we don't know you don't die until you go to the hospital I don't I think that's a misconception right there when I said it I knew you were gonna hit me I think that's a conspiracy theory can you imagine how just as many people die that don't go to the hospital if not more than the ones that do, would you agree with that? I agree it just seemed like whenever you start going that's when the shit started you just went too late but it'd be some other shit like your ankle when you freeze up and fall off and a lot of times medicines are made by people who aren't really that smart they just know how to read really well and follow directions and take care or the incentive to actually get it right they just want to get pushed to market and they're paying lobbyists and politicians and Washington to pass certain drugs to get them to the marketplace so they can make their money and they go public it's all about money at the end of the day so just like with the COVID vaccine all that stuff was just rushed to market Moderna and Novavax Pfizer how you get a cold vaccine in nine days and then start testing people it was crazy well they had to do something gay people were dying at an alarming rate and we are in the 2020s damn near the Jetsons there's not a some type of alternative or some type of cure to some what are we really doing it's cures for everything we gotta get folks right it was a state of emergency man niggas had to get off their ass but it was a lot of people that died from the jab from the vaccine still dying strokes, autos, heart attacks blood clots who's to say it was from the jab instead of just being from Popeyes who's to say who's to say that in jab is Popeyes chicken alright to make everybody so addictive to it come on man they won't do ball voice they won't because guess what not to take the conversation that way but scientists have said that the max that people on earth can have or earth can hold and facilitate is nine billion people that's the max earth can hold we're at seven billion right now that was essentially earth having a sneeze who said that environmentalist if we got nine billion people on earth what will that do I'm not qualified to say the particulars but just FYI the earth had a sneeze and they say the next one will be catastrophic that was just a little smidgen of what's going to happen the earth don't need help we do the earth is going to be around before us and after us we're the ones that's new it's going to reproduce itself we're the ones that got to figure out how to stay here the earth is doing quite fine it'll cleanse itself so that's my opinion on it that's deep that is deep when you said that shit off the rip I thought it was some bullshit but now that I think about it it'd be too many niggas on this bitch because it is too many niggas on the highway right now and that don't feel good when you trying to get to the airport and then it's all about how much they can control true how many they need before it comes out of control and food you got to feed 9 billion people that's a lot of food I ain't even think about it like that I think you're right I'm loving this show it's so educational it's a lot of people and also too you ever heard of bread and circus no bread and circus it's basically in the great civilization have to have civil engineering which is order and structure so the coliseum in Rome was built to create a release of tension there's a lot of people having problems like I sold him some grain and he didn't pay me back my money he stole my horse so the coliseum was put there to let out aggression and then they would sell food there and realize that with entertainment and food is how you control civilization that's what Sunday night football and Monday night football and why the stadiums are filled that's wired in us every time you yell for your team you're letting out aggression that could potentially kill somebody you're letting out little spurts of aggression microaggression without that football game that's built up anger and tension me against you that's better than war the recreational war so it's all by design if you study civil engineering if you study great civilizations like Rome Africa and Egypt this is how they control the masses and kept the problems down at bay not to be so deep stay in this space cause Erica's right check this out I was having a conversation with you a while back about the trickle down effect in Atlanta and then like right after I had this conversation with you me and T-rex was having the same conversation and he said the exact same thing that you did remember we was talking about that with the whole when COVID hit and then how it affected the businesses in Atlanta then it goes to the trickle down effect between the strip clubs the bowling the businesses the first thing black men do when we take a risk with our lives if we were drug dealers the first thing we do when we come back to the city take it to the strip club and throw it back to them black people are the only people that kill their hunters and wonder why they're starving so America has taught us to kill our hunters and then the women have to go out here and hunt on their own but they can't hunt how we hunt we hunt for real this is what we're wired to do look at you compared to this one DNA it's in you so if they can remove the person that feeds us then they have to be relying on the government to feed them that's what she's going to be with whoever feeds her child so we are now irrelevant to the situation that's how I be looking at it man this is not really like I don't think it's on purpose but it's like let's just see how this plays out and it's playing out better than they could even imagine in a mission but with a caveat that's a symptom the problem is with the first generation that actually had disposable income through upper mobility the next generation where you didn't really miss a lot of meals you had a roof over here even though it was funny but that wasn't a norm so we finally get a situation where we're part of the economical structure of America and we're making money everybody didn't really have a lot of money growing up in the 80s 2000s not so much so financial literacy is something that's new to our generation so we get the financial access but the financial literacy well the next generation behind us will come even stronger with that it's just like with civil rights they marched so that we can sit in the restaurant next to white people it's some people that die that don't even understand what that's like but they didn't think about it like that they thought about it if I gotta die what's on the Dr. Dre album if I gotta die but there's a little nigger right here to have a future but then I'm a dead motherfucker we don't have mindsets like this everything we do for us for right now instant gratification Instagram we gotta get to the point where we gonna do some shit but it ain't for me to see it's for motherfuckers they say real kings plant trees for leaves they'll never see so it's like you gotta do it like that when you do it like that that's when you'll be okay with the people throwing the money because that's all they know but guess what somebody watching it and it's smart enough to realize the next generation we gotta have a faith in them we gotta have a future for them to have ownership like this show and this building in the 85 south this legacy you know what I'm saying look at all these black people in here when I started in Atlanta man they used to put pictures of my picture in these businesses and say do not rent to him that's what I had to do just to get a camera to get a lens you know folks wouldn't let me do nothing you know what I'm saying but look at this 20 years later it's black you know what I'm saying but if I would have just stopped me like nah okay y'all win let me just go be a PA no I'm coming and I'm bringing you I'm bringing whoever want to come whoever want to work we working I don't care what artist I'm working with and that's what it's about the next person it's gotta be a service and I think when you have that mentality you ain't worried about if you get it of course you gotta survive you gotta eat you gotta come behind me I'm gonna lay the groundwork for the person behind me like I said the first person over the hill is the person that gets the arrow so I'm gonna take all these hits so hopefully you have a clearer hold your debt so what you wouldn't have to go through that that's what I'm saying and if you have that mentality then the next generation is gonna have no choice but to have the comfort and the privilege and the convenience to sit at home and be on the internet stocks, bonds financial literacy and we still hustling and we still making it around and we still knowing how to shoot videos and being on top of that so what's happening is we're creating this I hate to say it but a supreme race you know what I'm saying well I think I think I think Usher is the result of that Usher don't happen you hit wow see what I'm saying it's happening and the reason why we don't think he should come because now you're trying to take the light Usher and put it back on you you're seeing the results of your ministry you're seeing the fruits of your labor manifest but now you're gonna say hey but but that's the way it is yeah that's kind of like Jesus coming back and being like hey motherfuckers I die hey what's going on you know what I'm saying he got to go ahead and do what he did so we can you know he's about understanding your purpose understanding your purpose yeah I think yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes but one thing about when you lead in people you don't ever want to overshoot your target once you get your target you have to think about the masses not just think about ourselves and our own emotions emotions can get us back to where we started you know what I mean we got to have a plan and what Jay-Z did was there's only so much we can do is not our league what we're strongest at is galvanizing people through music and dance and things of their nature because that's our strong point and you know once again Kaepernick was compensated for that and he has other alternatives and it just don't look right when you come in you come in hot and you you make a stand the way he made it and what not and then you don't you big and the same people once again that oppressed you to for a seat at the table Jim Brown didn't do that what was my man name Bill Russell didn't do that them folks do it on that shit Muhammad Ali didn't do it Muhammad Ali didn't do that you know what I'm saying he looked crazy big and he folk and what not and he appeared to be strong he was a strong light-skinned man but everybody just because everybody physically strong to me they're mentally strong the mental fortitude is very just like obviously you're going to live more wasted than me I may have strong mental fortitude that's right you know what I'm saying I think we talked about this the other day but you heard of dental hygiene I brushed my teeth today but most people haven't heard of mental hygiene right wow this is so refreshing you got to check what you put inside your mind now you definitely have to audit your thoughts right and you can't anybody that is looking for validation and create it must really need it because if you live by the validation you die by it when it don't come so in a confidence anticipatory obedience to yourself anticipate being doing the right thing and doing the hardest thing first in the morning you know what I'm saying not every day but when you think about it or the night before you have to carve out time I know I'm kind of like going on tanges here but you got to carve out the time how do I be a better director I'm still trying to figure out how do I execute bigger visions the hardest thing in directing 20, 30 people sometimes 100 people is to infuse my enthusiasm about something I'm writing in a room by myself and getting it all the way down to the last person with the same enthusiasm and the same vision right that's hard how do I do it but you have to figure out a time something else but figuring out how to do that it's not just going to come to you as you like just running into a wall and just impossibly doing it you have to plan once again I said earlier the choreography and talking to people and communication that's our weakness as black men as leaders you know what I'm saying or black people in general is that we don't carve out time in our life to study and to plan to get stuff down and figure out a route to wherever we want to go and whenever I have that paper or whatever I have that plan and someone comes to me with a discrepancy a misunderstanding I instantly know what to say because I've already been in this moment before you even knew this moment would exist yeah you know how to shoot longer than me but you don't know this material like I know the material so if you know the material you'll be able to you know problem solve you'll be able to be more focused you don't need validation from the people that you work with well said if you live by the claps you're going to die by the booze yeah right there yeah yup let's start where you start directing and everything how did you make the paper from being a comedian I was in a movie I reached with a spoon and Patrick Dempsey is like I was just doing my thing and I was an extra my job was just to be in the corner just watch out but I took it so seriously man and I didn't know who Patrick Dempsey was it was Sweet Home Alabama I don't know me and Pooh Carter went down there trying to just be an extra you know just extras and they put me out the scene I didn't realize the camera was way up there no extra roll I didn't got my little skull cat rolled it up I looked on the ground I seen a a little cigarette butt and I picked the cigarette butt up but it wasn't lit and started acting like I was smoking it little did I know Patrick Dempsey was in the limo watching me the whole time rolling just completely going like nuts saying cut cut cut it put his arm around me it was like this guy is so into it you know what I mean tickled by how serious cause I was dead serious I was extra extra if you could have won an Academy Award for an extra I would have been nominated right so that really gave me some confidence cause at that time it was just me just doing stuff but when he gave me that quote on quote validation it kinda my young mind it kinda got me going and then I started attacking everything aggressively you know in the city and I got this movie it was really weird they was wanting black guys to wear KKK outfits right and it was a comedy obviously and I got the part and then and so we were shooting the movie and somebody called the police on us he was in stone mountain so we outside it was a low budget movie so we had no permits we had guns and clan outfits on so somebody obviously called the police on us he was in stone mountain was this the one I was at I don't know I don't think nah nah this was way before this is like 99 this is a long time ago so the police come bum rushing in I'm smart I'm from Memphis I had a warrant so I go in the back and hide out yeah and so they check everybody I D said lemme go get my ass I go in the back and just hide out until everything ain't gone so the director is named Ben Morgan what's up Ben Morgan he was so nervous out the day he was just all his confidence had left so we in the scene we kept on doing another scene and he was nervous and he had the camera he was directing because back then he had to shoot and direct at the same time right and so I was on the ground or something I was in the scene in his room I'll forget it and when he was finished directing he would like hand the camera off to whatever actor to stand next to him never failed but this time the actor that was standing next to him he turned to give me the camera and he looked the scene that was me and he turned away from me and gave it to somebody else I never forgot how that made me feel wow I said I went home I said why do you do that because I was excited I said okay I get to hold the camera the power is in my hand he looked and seen it was me I'm the biggest guy in there I'm the biggest hands in there he didn't let me I said okay that's where the power in that camera that's where the power is at and once I realized that that's where the power was I stiffed my focus from being in front of the camera to figure out why he didn't want me to have that camera and in the full circle what I did was I hired him to be in a T.I. Joe video and I made him be in the camera and so he doesn't know at the end you see him saying directly by Gabriel Hart he don't know until now I made him do that because of that moment if you go see that take off video that's him get the fuck out of here the white dude at him running around Atlanta for no reason yeah you talk that crap listen that day right there I'm sorry I'm sorry so you still fuck with him I haven't seen him in a minute but yeah he's cool it wasn't like that it was just he didn't know no better but I did I was woke woke but I was aware it was just really what was appalling to me because I used to admire the people that had the camera I just had affinity for camera for some reason you know what I'm saying I just loved the way it looked and it seemed mystifying to me I was curious and I was like here's my chance to just hold it I didn't want to do that with it in fact the day before I think I was at an outcast video I was the extra in the day before Leah died do you think if he would have let you hold that camera you would have not got that mind frame and the inspiration like an actor I probably would have been in front of the camera 100% I would have been 100% just because I was locked in I had seen it from when his dad casting me in that play to that day I was just I was on it that's all I was doing I was doing comedy to get better at acting I wasn't doing comedy because I thought it was funny I understood back then I need stage presence and timing and the thing called I am a pentameter you know it's like when you see a joke and the time between they laugh and your neck jokes right that's called I am a pentameter so I understood back then that you needed to have that locked in because you're not only talking to the person in the front of the room but the person in the back of the room right and then you're also talking different educational levels you know so your job as an actor is to project and to inspire throughout all type of you know educational level so I was really deep into it like that but that made me pivot that made me pivot you know I said he project that thing to hold you know what I'm saying did you finish the movie yeah they finished it but once again back in the day when you do movies you just did the movie because you were so like you just ambitious you just want to do something you had no distribution you know it's finished I never saw it you know what I'm saying I never saw it but we shot for a long time but yeah next chapter yeah you you start shooting your own situation mm-hmm what does that look like I mean you know I was like I was just like an independent role do-it-yourself guy you know I didn't even have a camera was getting booked to shoot videos I'll get the video and then try to figure out where to get a camera from I call everybody you know I had a buddy of mine he had a red camera when he first came out and then I remember one of the Gigi video who worked on I think I get a lot of it hold on before you go on to that tell him about the shit we were talking about last night what with the tip video I'm serious oh my goodness nigga in that moment when I was being the actor I was doing all these videos and we I had just done a I can't remember if it was before after but I just I was just I was I was supposed to be in brown skin with india and ivory I was supposed to be the brown I was supposed to be the brown I mean the whole week I was right the whole week I had roommates I was shitting on them I was like I was walking around like they got it made it like I would take things oh man I had already played I had my clothes laid out I was on the phone with the cast director Tim story Tim story the director that's right story ended up doing barbershop shop to be doing fantastic for he picked me to be brown skin but I guess I didn't look old enough I'm young I look young now but I look even younger back then and so she wouldn't use her boyfriend but I didn't know it's I got to sit so I get to sit music soul child though it was music some guy some guy it wasn't music no it wasn't him it wasn't another I know that video like that was a pivotal it was but I understood once the video came out cause I wasn't going to do all that stuff he was doing in the video like flipping and all that jiu-jitsu he was really into it I was just just faking you know is every nigga with dreads for the cause so don't get caught up in the appearance so they would be caught up in my parents cause I was all the way into that finger snapping thing at the time right yeah yeah oh they alone didn't even with dating girls we got dating being since burning and everything while my girls with dreads it would be shibbles and shit yeah put it under the lace front like this give it up for Afro since yeah but uh but they out there though they fine but yeah man you know I did that video or I didn't do the video and it was on C Lo's birthday and we was out there kicking it me and C Lo was just chopping it up and so I kind of got upset but what was the point you have to jump out there I'm serious video oh so after that video no tell us what happened on the video okay okay so after the in the re-video I kind of just got a reality check oh I'm back to regular guy I'm a regular guy I'm just one of y'all now I'm like everybody ignoring me and stuff on the budget they're like like I don't even think y'all that so we get to the ti set and we look at the car sheet we had bank head bounce the bounce on bank head yeah uh I think Patrick Troy had just bought it so as soon as I get there me and foost down was my homeboy he had dreads like him right like mine me and foost down he used to have dreads just like mine but they were way longer and he was way more Jamaican than me you know what I'm saying so uh he looked like he looked like sexy red with dreads yeah I know that's my boy shout out to Frodo Davis big lil bastard so uh we get out the van I see Patrick Troy hey Patrick Troy I try to sell him a hook and they can walk off and just leave me so my self esteem so when you walk off when you can get to anywhere in the land of your self esteem when you need a house be here and when you interact with people it's just slowly they be depleting like a video game so Patrick Troy knocked it down about 45% but I had just enough of an audacity to go to the set where ti was at so on the car she said ti was the artist nobody knew who ti was they were like what's the ti what's that shout out what's the group of they said what is this shout out to so we get in the van and go to the trailer park off bank here right we get there and shout out to Lowe pulling up so shout out to Lowe brought the cars there for the video shoot you see our first video Pharrell over there Jermaine Dupri over there Eddie Crue over there so me and Foostam we walk and the director like looking around like so he's like pointing something he pointed to Foostam Foostam always used to get them kind of roads like you know the real thug roads you know I look like an old good boy and stuff but Foostam had to look he had to go too so I'm thinking he's talking to Foostam so the crowd splits open and then we just me and him just walk to the front to the crowd and Chris Robbins said put him in the front that'll work and I'm like yeah go ahead he said no no no no you my heart stunk like oh okay so then it's Beanie Man it's girl named Mandy and some other model we get in there man you would thought it was my video shoot wow you would have thought because nobody knew who T.I. was that was like with us the extras the people that didn't know the industry people knew exactly who T.I. was and knew I was on some bullshit but the way everybody was excited that I was like walk off the van you gotta understand they walked me from the van to the director Chris Robbins Pharrell and everybody sitting there it looked like I was supposed to be there I'm part of this shit going on nigga I'm trying to find crafty I don't know what's going on so now I'm in the scene with Beanie Man Mr. Oh Nah Nah Nah nigga they play that music oh shit this shit jamming nah nah nah nah nah nah nah I get a nigga a high five a nigga high five me back I bump chest and shit we going back and forth we got Kim's we doing Kim all kind of shit we rocking that shit when we stop everybody start clapping everybody in their jetty they not hear a dust coming from the back hey man say man you know what I'm saying man check this out man put them serves them out man check this out man if you ain't got no record deal man don't look at those motherfucking cameras nigga from 45% to zero nigga what is that hey man say man hey man say man check this out you did man if you ain't got no record deal he was saying it I'm right right here but he looking that way everybody know he talking about me I would just give him a pat down like you know how the people come pat you down and you the star I wasn't the star no more boy he cut my nuts off damn I was not T.I. but I was I was it I T.I. nigga and I told him about this he had no idea what I was talking about but if you go and look at I'm serious video I was there from day one from day one before anybody was there I was there getting cussed out by the king see people got to deal with the nice T.I. the nice Gucci the nice Jesus I had to come up with the the alpha versions of those guys West Side West Side West Side be easy man T.I. wasn't up man T.I. is the king man because he was bold he put Atlanta on the map in a way where Jermaine the pre was just really he was doing it but he put the stamp on it you know what I mean for the people that had that dialect and the vernacular that he had he ain't scared he ain't scared man this man not scared I ain't never seen on light skin man like that light skin I ain't never T.I. is never scared never scared never scared man I'm a big head nigga I take your cookies why you feeling so he asked for it come on I'ma choke your ass I ain't playing these niggas I ain't playing with no rookies man cause we feel that shit we wanna choke them we feel that sorry whoever that bitch is I ain't shit the man choke you choke the bitch you like I did that shit like they did this shit too ain't it old drip not the new drip but your next chapter you get your first booking you know to my first booking was in bronze with Georgia remember you did that one too but that was some bull shit but you know you do whatever little hood dudes doing whatever my tfit or whatever then my first booking was I did this video for Neo and he did this remake for Lil Wayne Amelie and so me and Bangladesh was real cool I was doing his contents and I was trying to like big Lil not Lil Wayne but Bangladesh to do his Bangladesh TV network on YouTube cause mine had got taken down because the dev jam suing me for doing all they artist videos you know unofficially you know cause the video was looking good as good as the real video I've seen a cease and desist email send me all the time flagging my videos before monetization so they had deleted all my stuff so I was just trying to use my skill to help whoever else was out there and I remember we had he had flew us to the BT awards in LA and his song was in every car Amelie a Lil Wayne like he made the beat he made the beat in every song every car that drove by was playing as you even should night pulled up to the Beverly Hilton playing Amelie like what and I have footage of this of should night getting out of his car playing Amelie crazy so I got you know I'm a hustler I was shooting videos in Atlanta for okie dog artists I'm like bro Lil Wayne not shooting your video to your song and why don't you do it he's like how are we gonna do that I see all these people doing remixes to your song these niggas right there like as I'm talking Neo walks up as I'm saying this shit Neo walks into the conversation like what's up nigga we shooting tomorrow ok I'm with it you said ok so I go I shoot I scramble get some money from Bane find out how to get a studio get a DP I met on tip video shoot the same camera guy that shot me in the series I actually kept in contact with him and he did the Bangladesh he was my DP for the Bangladesh Neo video called him free and cause some other little people and shit and they rocked that shit you know what I'm saying and we put it out that shit went to a million like at the time a million views was like a big deal and that shit went viral and the next thing I know Lil Wayne had shot his video because it just was such a it was because Neo rapping was such a big thing it was like it went viral you know what I'm saying and it made Lil Wayne have to shoot the video to his shit before he shot a video because he was shooting the video to a whole other song and then he just actually stuck that video in why he was shooting another video in that like that's why he was walking around the whole time what a shot that was based on me putting that video out cause I couldn't understand why that wasn't the lead single like okay this needs to be you know what I'm saying but the reason we shot the video was cause we tried to get in the BDT awards and couldn't get in and then it was like man fuck this shit of me got you fucked up I'm hyping myself up but at the same time it was like you know I'm hyping him up really I made it about the video cause I really wanted to do that video I really felt like that video needs to be that shot it should be a video to that song that shit was so hard you know what I'm saying that was my first meaningful significant one and I thought though phones is going to ring and everybody's going to call it I'm sitting back once again my cock got my clothes laid out the same clothes from Indie and I I'm going to put that outfit on god damn it and nothing nigga not a god damn thing I didn't even see a step take this shit down well yeah I kept going cause I didn't know any better I didn't know I was roughly in the feathers but I was actually making progress those steps were steps towards okay we got to deal with this guy alright so I think I did Rocko next so Rocko is a real artist he's signed to Dev Jam under LA Reed I did a Rocko video this morning and I knocked that shit out the part you know what I'm saying me and Rocko are friends today because of that video we was together like a whole 2-3 days you in the video too he's playing the uh tell him I'm blocked me too oh Rocko the done come block Erica Duchess you know it's so crazy that he blocked me cause I went back to it paid look look it was when Instagram first started what was 2012 no no no no no no no no I ain't gonna say the whole thing but when 2012 when Instagram first started my name was Nacho Chick that was my name like from his album his son Nacho Chick and I just used to say little stuff and one time I was on there with somebody talking with somebody else I don't know if he's seen the comment but I love him a Rocko fan and I'm like that's ATL you know what I'm saying that's my dog and then I was just talking to that person and they were just saying some liminal things and I was just like yeah I know how about my baby daddy the same way and it was like 2012 and that thing I know I was blocked and I was like daddy he read the comments but I didn't do that thing like I love Rocko so if you talk to me but some comedian Erica Duchess said I'm blocking y'all blew up now I've seen 2012 did you ever seen him since I have not seen him then I used to be the plug at Avis I used to give him his cars and everything and you ain't saying nothing then no I was Erica my last name then he don't know Erica Duchess he don't know this one but I was the person who used to come up at their own run-of-car company too and you ain't want to tell them who your secret identity is who was it? no I have not seen I was not doing comedy and all that stuff I used to do it he don't know this Erica but tell him I'm blocking me Rocko I'm blocking me he just heard you just now I don't know why he had me blocking him you gon' tag him in there in this particular part I was like I said I hated me from Avis I'm blue cousin you know little Erica damn damn damn let's pray Lord Jesus right now yeah I'm gonna block Erica G down in Rocko finger I don't care about Bottle Earth they got me blocked too but I don't care about that I don't care about Bottle Earth but Rocko I want him to unblock me holy shit Jesus paid she blocked them Jesus paid not Jesus he ain't gonna never block okay so we Lil Duvall you see him again first time on the bus a couple of years ago then how did you get the call for oh I feel like I was there when he first went up on stage he had this little joke where he had a like playing white t-shirt and he had it folded up he had braids back then and he had like these little Migo shades back the full wave before Migo and so he get on stage real bohemian style real minimalist he get up there like yo y'all y'all anybody here got black business noise hello hello y'all gonna clap I know yeah I know I'm invested in the store I got my black business too y'all make sure y'all supported playing white t-shirt show the front and back make sure y'all make sure y'all support my I thought that was hilarious I go up to him cause he had a prop that's all what I was about I was about anything three dimensional I had a lab track I brought lab tracks to comedy cause I was so scared that my jokes wouldn't work I burnt the CD and put the lab track and DJ ant love what's the name? and love was so magical with that motherfucking lab track cause every time I said a joke he had the lab so I got the lab from Mr. Cooper episode with Chris Tucker yeah and it was this joke that this one coach was trying to get Mr. Cooper to come in and play and the way he lab was so great I sampled it for a beat but then when I was making the beat I said this would be cool for tonight when I go on stage and it worked but I didn't have a joke to follow up for so I got boo regardless on top of the lab it was like the first time you got standing ovation and boo the Uptown but yeah that's how I met Duvall at Uptown and then he asked you to do his project but it was just later so after getting booed so much we had put out the first kids VHS however Food Stem got together and got that together and then once again I was trying to direct it without knowing I was the director and everything I asked this guy to do he was like well that's gonna be another $100 I said to put my name on there for his Food Stem to save $100 put my name on it and we would walk 2-3 miles to the editing session and walk 2-3 miles back and Food Stem is really like a tough guy but to me he just kind of let me vent and then the whole way there in back I was just talking shit it was like in hindsight I was really mean to him but I was frustrated because I had all these creative ideas everything I'm doing now if you see the shit I'm doing now it was still in me back then but I didn't know how to I knew this nigga wasn't doing half that shit it's something he's not doing I'm just really Food Stem is doing the best he can we barely got food to eat we walking to the editing session and I was just kind of making them feel bad about it but I was fired up you know what I'm saying and so we did the next one I took it upon myself to do it myself and so I was dating some girls in Georgia State and they made me leave they dorm because I was staying with them and they made me leave they dorm so they wouldn't get in trouble because they had roommates so I had to have something to do with myself between the time they got back the house and then going to the comedy club I had to occupy my time and they had this library in there with computers in there the digital aquarium and I snuck in they thought I was a student they let me take out and check out cameras and to the point where they wanted me to get hired there to teach and say what's your student number I said hold on right back I left you know what I'm saying I was walking down the 5 points this dude he was like hey man Nathan looking for you man the whole school looking for you man and they said call him Nathan said call him right now so I go to a pay phone and he said man I almost lost my job man I gotta go meet with Julie and if I got a job I see what I can do to help you out man but I know man that was messed up man I just had a baby he was cussing me out but at the same time he was like there really wasn't nobody asked me was I a student no they fought but I had made such an impression in the school like I was teaching classes I built up the audio program I was bringing in artists I was bringing Big Oop in there Big Oop came to the studio DJ Oop came to the studio Poise came to the studio Slim J came to the studio I turned Georgia State into my own personal production company and I was just a nigga off the street and then when they realized I had taken and the final straw was Tyler Craig Rest in Peace he had seen some of me in foods that I was doing and he hired me he gave me $500 to do his comedy special in Charlotte Carolina so so I took every person in the lab that worked there and booked a hotel room with a S put everybody in the van and took every fucking camera out at mother fucker every microphone every camera, every lens every pizza equipment and we went to Carolina for about 2-3 days and I didn't realize it the school still had the function so when we got back I didn't have a job he was like bro you've outgrown this place he's like man you're doing what I wanted to do with this stuff so I know some people that see it in that moment you'll be good but you got to get out of here I had girls in there I was so addicted to editing I was editing 2 computers at one time one was rendering and one was editing and I had a girl doing my dress at one time I was the man I was just like doing it I should have went to college but I didn't understand what college was we kind of went to college it was just too much I didn't get going out I was sleeping I was sleeping in there I would sleep under the table or edit until I got tired sleep under the table and right before that open leave go to the bathroom and come right back in and get right back to editing hey good morning you right back at it I was so passionate cause I was trying to do the second tape that me and Fools was doing better than the first guy I couldn't wait until he put this motherfucker in and seeing yeah nigga I just started this shit and I'm already doing better than you motherfucker and it didn't cost me $100 a letter I was fired up so I see how you bought like me you get ammed up like like if somebody out of dollars somebody out of play that's me if you say somebody on that stage oh she a female she can oh really? oh okay if I don't do good or something like that they just motivate me just to go pray and be like I need some more jokes it didn't be ready for whatever like I thought I was the only person like that in the world that's how I feed off that they give me amma I want him to stop doing it I want him to quit I want him to pick the camera up again you know what I'm saying and then once I slay that dragon I find a new target you know what I'm saying and then along the way whoever benefited from it it really don't even be about the music or the artist if somebody pissed me off you going to get a good video you know what I'm saying if I'm in a good movie you might not you know I might just get a little decent cool little jot jot you know what I'm saying but if you really like you know what I'm saying but it's just all psychological you know what I'm saying your triggers or whatever their triggers are you know what I'm saying so you were like the first person doing independent DVDs in Atlanta wasn't the first I was just busy doing shit and I could do it there were DVDs like hood affairs who was doing sketch sketch is nobody whatever is going on on instagram now when it comes to comedy the blueprint was laid with jack with interviews before jack thriller that was the when you hit you hit like crack in the 80s everybody now owes you a check not owe you but they should pay homage you know from the joe buttons they were lost in this game they were just critiques throwing rocks at the new artist busting free styles in the crowd wishing they could breathe on the mic you know what I mean you know what the topic to the people engaging people through antics and through sketches we had the visual version we would do all the stuff you see now all that stuff was on skits the memes, the jokes, the spoofs it's like the bible for what the internet ended up being we just didn't have the distribution of the internet fast forward to 2003 Duval he's seeing skits too skits once and he wants to produce his new dvd just got a deal with mercury entertainment so everything's kind of moving and I don't know what's going on but like you said you got to feed the streets and I was feeding the streets content I mean I remember we would go on a roll and just drop and they had the all star game in Atlanta right around the time when I was promoting my little skit with skits and spoofs now we sold so many dvds because 50 cent was in town we had the idea we just started following we started following 50 cent from every city he went to we just went to wherever 50 cent went we had our poster wherever 50 was I just was so locked in I had never made that much money I think I made like $2,000 off dvds we was packaging, promoting and printing them all and burning them myself so we would go somewhere and burn them wherever we was burning them and then go to kinko my little girlfriend all of us were sitting in kinko until we finished and then we would shrink wrap them up the fuckers we got to shrink wrap them that makes the shit official and that's when the dvds and the headrest was popular everybody on pst used to ride down playing music with the tvs and the headrest if I seen a nigga with a tv playing the headrest they would pop this shit in and they would give me $20, $30 for it dopeboy give you whatever even C.Lo bought one I said man this my land I'm gonna go on here and support you black man but uh that boy funny we do his this shit might be some bullshit I'm not gonna put my name on it his name was rolling pow at the time that was his name on sedger entertainer his name was rolling but he was like this might be some bullshit so I'm gonna put my name as lil duval just in case this shit don't work so his name still lil duval the streets like a motherfuckin with that dvd the streets was eating that shit up and it laid the groundwork for his fanbase I feel it laid the groundwork for what's happening now along with everything else it's being funny and charismatic and having a lot of charisma in the world you can have but it definitely contributed to the momentum and then now you roll into being this big music video director starts off with young jeezy into the amigos would you say amigos was the thing that made you pivot and change or would you say jeezy's recession album did it was probably ice cube ice cube I repped that west cause that was a whole coast okay got you that was a whole coast open when you do videos in a region you just the region got when I did that I think fat joe came right behind that you know I wouldn't region no more I was nationwide so now I'm on the road now I'm not even in Atlanta no more I'm not even doing Atlanta no more you moved to LA I was still in Atlanta I didn't move to LA until after future after we broke future after I did future first videos once we did future once future was out of here he was gone there was nothing else for me to do cause there was nobody really buzzing and I think 2 Chain was maybe 6 months later but Atlanta really wasn't work with cause everyone else had like super deals like it was Lil Wayne or Nicki Minaj somebody I just couldn't get to you know what I'm saying and so through coach Kato that's right from all the way back in the day what Bangla did so but what happened was the first Migos was Tribes Porter see that was the first one once again somebody pissed me off and I did Tribes Porter make it rain video to make it rain video right I did that video and I was so mad I picked packed up and I left Atlanta I just so I don't know what it was I was just so irritated I was like you know I might as mother fucker you know what I mean like I was doing so much and I felt like it wasn't being recognized or acknowledged or it was no momentum behind it was just back square one so I was so mad just hit him in the face one more time with the make it rain said fuck this shit I'm out you know what I'm saying and so coach loved that video coach K called me like man look that video we start talking phone we it was already cool you know coach will pop up every coach has an eye for talent right coach knows the the the post of the streets yes yes for lack of better words right he he has a he's clairvoyant right he can see it and so thank God he was around to see what I was doing he was just kind of like I didn't know who he was I knew he was I didn't know what he's I didn't know I didn't know what the what the relevance of coach K was in the situation I just knew he was everywhere I was there if I was shooting a video here he was there he was over here he was there and so I did to make a rain video he called me and he was like just really like happy for me just just thanking me or just being proud of me because he's seen from Rocco the street shit to something artistic I guess people didn't really know I had that range you know so and that was a conversation we had and it was a really powerful conversation we stayed on phone maybe two hours but that was the groundwork of us working with Amigos so maybe a year later he he said hey man you in LA me and the boys finna come out there right and so it was him Quavo and take off just it and they and I met him at Venice Beach and that was the first day we they first video ever and I ain't have a plan I ain't even hear the song we jumping out the gym as the first song we ever did and I I kind of didn't really I was I wouldn't really into it I didn't I didn't know and so they cocky ass take off like you know what I'm saying he just like let me know we ready yeah like 35 chains I'm like what is this what is this nigga and we shooting in the middle of Venice Beach and there's crowd at niggas playing basketball niggas laughing at them and shit take off don't give a fuck he don't give a fuck let me know we ready ready alright let me know I'm fucking with the camera I'm taking my time and shit I say role play back and hit play boom he just takes off I said oh shit I had never heard the song you know what I'm saying I'm like oh shit we just started battling this shit he's like I'm like this nigga tight you know what I mean and it was so dope I forgot Krepo was even there like Krepo it was like three hours Krepo just sitting there like oh you good you good that's my nephew man you know y'all good go ahead you know everybody got he's just really cool he wouldn't hate so that made me like like both of them because usually when you in a group situation one person is fighting over the you know they always like yeah they try to like let me get more scene let me get that scene Krepo let me him just you know vibe we just doing this doing it we're just doing shit you know like a photo shoot with the video camera because it was fun I'm like okay a nigga with talent you know what I'm saying and I kind of probably missed the energy in the south a little bit because you know LA really ain't got that kind you know I'm saying out there so it was just fun man working with them from the first take you know I'm saying he just exploded I was like oh we can work with this and so we went over soldier boy house and mama cooked us some food we shot another video and then we shot another video and then we shot Chinatown we shot a bunch of videos just they hold it again huh shot hits yeah we shot big records we not knowing yeah not knowing so they go back home TLP I met P but I know I met P I've always seen people working with Gucci in them but I didn't know I met him but the coach you know he made a cordial so after I sent them the videos they were like some kind of way I was in Atlanta doing a dog video Gucci man video I think I was doing fuck the world with Gucci in future I was down here doing that and I swam by the old studio on Metropolitan and people like come come meet P coach like come meet P so I came to meet P and as soon as I walk into the old QC we went QC at all it was it was just the studio I don't know what the name of the studio was but it was on Metropolitan as soon as I walk in P walk in he gave me all this camera equipment here man you can have this shit. He gave me lenses and like top not shit just as soon as I didn't even say hello to him you belong to us now it wasn't like that it wasn't like that it wasn't like that it was just love it was just like what you knew that it was like I'm about to walk off with this it was just like yeah he just gave it he just gave me like this camera equipment you know what I'm saying so it was like then so while I'm like meeting P and talking about the video we just shot and watching the videos and shit everybody burning room hey man check the email check the email he shit the song back so they opened the email shout out to Amigo shout out to Zaytovan Drake jumped on Fasachi while he sends the verse while we're in there like meeting we was already met but when I'm meeting P and coach or meeting them at the same time or meeting P for the first time same time and they had just they were opening up the file that Drake had just sent for Fasachi yeah he like hey man you want to put a treatment to this there you go there's a bear shit in the woods and wipe his ass with a white rabbit and so Drake was did he get in the video? no he didn't make it in the video but I don't know why but he did jump on the song because it was they were still like relatively new at the time you know what I'm saying honestly I feel like I think the best thing in the world is like when you said earlier that he would have been in your life you might not have been assertive if Drake would have been in that video maybe things would be different because y'all had a lot to prove so it made it all y'all stronger it stands on its own today that's right sometimes that would take away from it it would have been a Drake video it would have been a Drake song sometimes you can be bigger than your song can be bigger than you sometimes a comedian's joke can be bigger than them so true they got the one joke bigger than them you can't follow yourself Chrisuck had like a five minute set that was it and it blew up so after that I go back to LA and we shoot the video I fly everybody to first we tried to get Miami the Versace mansion was closed he was ready to go with the first 29 videos we had he liked the quality I knew intuitively that I had to come with there was a pivotal moment in everybody's life I felt the weight of it so I pivot and bring everybody to LA he was cool with it we get a location and we shoot the video I'm my own producer everything you see in that video I had to meet the person that brought it bring it negotiate the fee to get it I had to do everything in that video I didn't have a production company I didn't have a sidekick I didn't have a helper a homeboy, a cousin just me so everything you see in that video I had to source it figure out how to get there talk to that person to get them there from the stylist to the blazergrass to the lion he'll resource man you kill it y'all that's a talent man I've seen him do it countless times it's deeper than a talent it's a gift I had already humanized Quavo because Offset was in jail so I hadn't met Offset yet but I really believed in Quavo and Pee and Coach were just different than I ever worked with I had never worked with people who were genuinely pleasant and respectful to my craft they're not just the money guys they were like so many other people that I had worked for in the city they were actually invested in it Pee got to the point where he was right next to me as I'm directing understood camera lenses changes and stuff he was invested in it he's a fan of cinema he knows what's going on he has an insight on it there's peculiar I can't figure it out but he knows quality level when you see a certain director shoot a certain song it's by design he's like a coach he is a coach like coach quality control I just say quality control keep the quality there I stole that from you after the video I was kind of exhausted so you shoot the video like take a couple of days or whatever and I'm in line and Diddy had this party in LA and I go and I stand in line and I'm in line at this day party and I never go out and so I go to this day party I'm in line and they put the Versace song on and the fucking crowd lose they fucking minds all he was like oh shit how did he go home and edit this motherfucker I went straight home edit that motherfucker up as far as that concerned he was born I had started putting it on there because my affiliate used to work with Gucci man I think Gucci was really cool we had good before I never asked you that you so cocky but so humble I think Wiz Khalifa and Gucci man had a video in LA I think Gucci was getting a little troubled and I said man won't you have him come out here and get him out of Atlanta for a while and he pops up in LA and he's like we're going to shoot a video with Wiz write a treatment to it so we can shoot a couple of days so I do it and then I called him and I spent all the money on the video but when I called him I was acting like Walker I said I fucked the money up he thought I fucked the money up now I can't read right I'm fucking with him like I fucked the money up I'm like I ain't got no money all the money on everything when you see it he hung the phone up next thing I know he there he looked around like okay okay cool he super excited now because he's seeing all of if you watch the video you'll see a lot of people I mean Black TV was there just there it was just like everybody was there it was like a party you know I had everybody there it was just like I couldn't miss I was bringing a letter to LA you know what I'm saying and he had never really had a video where it was just fun you know what I'm saying it wasn't about this it wasn't about that everybody was here to have fun it was girls there you know what I'm saying so somewhere in the day they had Trap God that was the mixtape it was on Trap God so I put video God on the Trap God in jest and then somebody put it in front of him he was like okay video God Trap God and he took his chain out and put it on my neck he took a chain off he took it back though they always do that but I was like you know what I'm rolling with this if he cool with it then I'm cool with it so I just ran with that shit stand on it before we wrap this up give him a run down of the people that you didn't work with in the videos that you were doing that you know they would be surprised to know Fat Joe I mean I don't know man tell him the city girl video which city girl video I knew third one just came out okay fuck that nigga fuck that nigga biggest one I don't remember man just look you'll see city girls with a 305 little baby that's my dog that's my dog just saying the first one I think one of the first early ones happened more in the minute but the nigga that's about to get the death penalty Y and W Melody murder on my mind and it was on his mind did y'all really shoot that video the way that y'all shot it before all that stuff even happened in the video I think he was just out of jail I never met him once again I met him on set I probably heard the song when I wrote the treatment but didn't think of none of it I was down there shooting city girls and I was just doing it for a friend is a favor and uh not like just in terms of when you work with new artists you don't know what you're gonna get so like it's who you know at certain levels and the person that introduced us I knew them I think somebody from world star I mean world star had a good relationship so I did it on the strength of that and I just kind of went into it like I really liked the concept of what he was talking about but he had nothing to do with the actual visual all he wanted to do was have a goat in the video that's as much as input as he wanted I said what do you want make sure you have a goat okay a goat a real animal some satanic shit you know in fact he told me it was him who said I had it too demonic you know I had like a pig I had a real pig a pig that was dead and I had got a pig that you can get a pig and then I wrote murder on my mind on the pig and had the pig tied into the into the jail cell that was the opening shot oh yeah this are evil motherfucker yeah yeah I went there I just got into the character because once again I'm an actor first so I get into the role as a director as I become the artist you know what I'm saying so that's how I interpret the music from an actor's perspective I break it down like that word Gabriel is one of my best friends in the world this is the first but it won't be the last time you are here man I really appreciate you thank you for having me you know blessing us with your story bro yeah man is there anything you want to say to the new Jack through the city before we get up out here man I just appreciate y'all having me thank you for Miss Duchess thank you welcome back to the game the game needs your energy man you congratulations on your show you know I like your show and I admire your style but the peso cheek won't be back for a while yeah that was dope yeah yeah oh