 All right, there we go. Hello everybody. If it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer And that must mean it's time for another hastily scrapped together episode of Warhammer Weekly from a hotel room Joining me not as always, but I'm very honored that he decided to come sit on my couch with me. It's Uncle Adam. What's up, buddy? How you doing? Yeah, we're hanging out. We just came from the GW preview Yeah, it was uh, it was good. I'm waiting for this to start over here. There we go. We're good. We're live Okay, so here's the question Let's start at the beginning. Yes. It's still actually running like over here on the screen They don't have it to this side. This is where it is for the audience. They're still actually going on their twitch stream We don't have a We don't have all the articles up yet So we're gonna do this from memory and just let the twitch thing play over here. Yeah makes sense over there What did you think of it overall? Um Well, let's see the Warhammer Underworld's guys There's something Gorg chosen of That's not right. Is that right? Yeah, you nailed it. That's exactly right. Gorg chosen of Grom Sure, that's it. Let's say that they're pretty cool models That main guy you and I talked a little bit about the main guy from that that set he's Definitely, I think a lot something a lot of painters are gonna kind of focus on right? Mm-hmm. So that's kind of not bad. I like that guy the Votan the the squats I And we've had this conversation previously I just really want the original squats They showed off like there's the standard bog standard like the guys and the ladies in like the white kind of like Space suits as soon as they start getting crazy and adding a lot more Kind of Norse mythology and all that kind of stuff I start to lose a little bit of interest, but that's because I don't want them for 40k Sure, right and then they showed off the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles battle boss with yes, I don't We're gonna get into it. We're gonna actually talk a little 40k today and usually for this show Yeah, that's odd. That's odd, but as soon as I saw it. I was like, huh There should be some musicals there Okay, okay. All right. I was impressed by this one. I have to say Even though I had a pretty good idea of it's funny because I think for the most part I knew What all of these reveals were going to be yeah, just based on sort of common sense or I this is what I had previously guessed the reveals were going to be sure and Yet I still really liked them mainly because they actually showed us Plastic like they showed us the minis and I think that's where they went wrong at adept con right like adept con AOS preview What did we see actual minis wise? we saw boatman and then and then like the Giant swirly twirly fire monster thing the incarnate that's terrible and we all hate. Oh, yeah, okay So like that was it. That was the only minis we saw this time. It was like Here you go and even though some of them I had seen before through like spoilers online or whatever sure it was still good Because we got like great photos of them. We got the better understanding of when they're releasing We got the full release calendar for the rest of the year and what's gonna happen So I was pretty thrilled honestly with this review like this was a strong like eight out of ten for me I Was hoping that they were gonna show something even though we knew ahead of time going into it that this wasn't gonna be the case I was really hoping though for some sort of War cry something. Yeah, that's just cuz that's currently the only game of theirs that I play. So it was bad The Blit enough the the not blades of corn or the blades of corn with guns. Yeah berserkers. Thank you sure Um Well, let's let's go through on one by one fine. Yeah, that's probably okay. Okay, so we started out with The and this is just playing over here But I'm not I'm not gonna give in to you Adam trope and Eddie E that despite your unbelievable charisma for both of you No, I'm not gonna give in to talking about it as they as they talk about it Although I suppose we could let's just do it as this is on here since this is up here We'll start with a OS With this part of a OS So we got the disciples a zinge and the Lumeneth cover cool, they both get new covers. That's that's actually a thing Did you know that what that these two books the disciples and the zinge? Yeah, or the disciples a zinge and the Lumeneth cover the two that you see there during summer They're supposed to be coming very soon. Yes, I'm like in the next couple weeks That we actually get new covers for those. That's a really big deal Did you know that know why because they started many of the books that have come out during 3.0 I don't many might be overstating it some of the books that have come out less than less than half But some of the books that have come out. They've just reused cover art It was the same cover art as the last book and how do you know it's the new one read on the side? That's it. Okay. All right Yeah, so It was cool to see those like again We knew those were books already because they were in because we got our game cataclysm So there's nothing there Then we did get previews of the next two. So let's talk about the two big AOS things we got we'll we'll circle back to the slaves at the end. We'll save that for last Uh, so first off we saw our little ogre hunter guy Okay, the monster hunter guy the monster hunter guy And so number one thing I'm gonna say here is called it. We were right on this channel boom Boom everybody said when I said it's going to be ogres and giants everybody was like, oh, you're crazy It's not going to be ogres and giants Okay, and I was like it's going to be ogres and giants And then some people started some wacky new rumors of how they're going to be in one battle tone. No, obviously, they're not going to do that Obviously not that was never going to be a thing I just like we don't I'm not going to get into it. Uh, but no, they weren't going to do that and So we got the new ogre trapper and the confirmation of the new ogre book So let's talk about ogre trapper guy mr. Fatboy um What do you think of that model? I mean, it was fine. I kind of They they talked a lot during the thing about how he's like, well, you know He doesn't eat all of the parts of the thing the monster that he kills And I don't they seem to push on that a lot. It's a big deal ogres normally eat everything in sight Okay, well, that's that's why they don't have trophies normally because they consume them like make sense Gristle bone. So why don't they not do that? He's a weirdo Okay That's the explanation fair enough. Um Yeah, I didn't like his face. I don't think I didn't either. No, I liked a lot of the mini but I did not like his face Uh, but hopefully that face is like Not too attached I have the feeling that mini is like one of those things where you put the back together with the front and then this piece is like not or sorry like his head This part of his head and his back will be one piece in this side of his face and the shoulder will be another piece The vampire hunter guy from um crimson or uh, uh from curse city Jerrick, what's his name or whatever? Yes, like that model was not so much like you put on a head And there was a torso and then some legs It was just like Five long strips that you kind of glued together to make a guy and they were yeah, right right vertically And you're like well, there's nothing I can do with this really. Yeah. Yeah, you got to put it together Then start cutting it right. Yeah, which is not super helpful. I have a feeling he's going to be the same way But that's fine. I cut off his head You could put on like almost any no normal overhead or like a helmeted overhead like an iron gut head or something And he would look cool. Do you know why I think they do that? Uh that's slicing things up into into so many weird pieces these days Because of just the nature of the posing and how they have to get it on the sprue I think it has it has a lot to do with the sprue I think it also has a lot to do with although with a single character It may be not as much, but I think it's they're also trying to make the sprues as thin as possible too Yeah, you make something that's like too big of a chunk like it's all of the legs. Yeah, it's that more vertical or I don't mean yeah, it takes up the z space on the uh on the actual thing And I think they're trying to cut that out. Yes, so I agree so So ogre guy I didn't like his head other than that perfectly fine model And we got confirmation of the new ogre battle tone coming in in autumn Whatever that means And then we got the sons of badmout where we're getting king brood so we're getting a special character and the Um This should not be making noise. I hope that's not making noise for everybody. No, it's muted. Okay I was gonna say I hope that we're not talking over Adam and everybody and somebody would have said something to me I think your microphones turned around Oh, it probably is Uh, yeah, usually this is the front. It does. Yeah, I'm not sure. Okay. There we go. That's horribly different. I don't know I just threw it down real quick At any rate king brood cool model. We're so we're getting a special character and the new sons of badmout battle tone So we're gonna get ogres and giants. So autumn is just really really really all about big People sure like just just big big humans as ogres are just big humans and then giants are like bigger bigger humans Like the biggest of big humans Uh, so that's cool. Um The uh and and you know getting sons and ogres is interesting. Okay, cool. We sound fine. There we go Uh ogres and sons everybody wanted gets that's what people aren't getting by the way adam So people aren't getting the new gets tone gets is one of the oldest current battle tones. Sure It's very underpowered right now and underwhelming and what we got confirmation of tonight is that we are not getting gets In in where we ain't getting got you ain't getting got with the gets. Yeah, no get no gets gotting No, yeah, I painted uh some of them for um War cry I did uh some uh Goons fight gets used mixing together rip of snarl fangs and a bunch of um Tsar bags gets but not all of them and uh, they're a ton of fun to paint everything like that, but um Huh, there was a network error neat there. Let's click to reload Or maybe they just ended could be we'll figure it out. Yeah But yes, so the gets players will be sad uh as as no gets no gets will be got Um, but I'm happy because I'm a sons of badmout player and I don't like the current book And so hey, there we go. Okay. There's stream engine. I think or is it Oh, you know, it says live. Okay. It's like um, so Two good solid destruction tomes. It's okay. I'm sure it's just gets Gets needs a bigger rewrite than either of those other two So my guess is they had to leave it for last because it took the most time. Do you think that? They would be releasing there's not a I mean because the gets line or a good portion of it is relatively still kind of new Isn't it? Yeah, there was a good. Well, there was a good chunk that came out with the last books Yeah, so all the like um boing rock bounders the little bounder guys and the new uh boss on uh squag Do you think that they might redesign the spider guys? One could only hope I really hope that this is a sign that they're going to do some heavier redesign on some kits Uh, maybe introduce a new one or two like if I was a gets player, that's what I would be holding out Hope for that this is a good sign because clearly for the ogres and the giants. It's like Standard here's your one kit and your book be happy. Um, by the way on king brood in case it's not obvious I did ask the question after the show um, it is just a Uh upgrade sprue effectively. So it's the same box the same body like the body and legs Are the same and then the accoutrements if you will Uh, very french. Yes, uh along with the um Uh The weapon and stuff like that that's the new sprue. So that guy's going to be sort of customizable then because You should be able to switch up his feet and legs and stuff whereas like head is going to be the head and the arms and the weapon will probably be You know, that's probably part head is probably a new part of the sprue and arms and weapon are the new part of the sprue Yes, that should be correct. Yeah, because the arms have to hold it might even just be the lower arms Because the arms are in two parts on the giant kit and then like each each lower arms connects to a particular weapon Uh, so my guess Is I like i'm trying to remember i'm trying to remember back because they're both like tanks spurs the big spurs and i'm trying to remember back but like Whatever the case either they'll reuse the upper arms then you attach new lower arms that hold the weapon I kind of hate the head even though it's actually king brood like in the original king brood comes from first edition aos where he was in the book with like brood the brood and rods brood or whatever And it was like a battalion you could take and somebody had converted a regular man crusher because at the time the megas didn't exist And so somebody had converted a regular man crusher into this special character And they put the the jaws and stuff around his head which is one of the options you could kind of get It was the it was one of the weapon options in the base kit and whatever whatever Uh, so they clearly just upscaled that original person's conversion that was in the art up into the Up into the full model but I Fine like cool. I don't really like the head. I would like with all of them all of mine are heavily customized anyways I don't know that I care too much about the new kit. Give it like a robot. I give them robot heads. Yeah Yes, correct. Uh, or or like robot masks and pipes and tubes coming out of them. Mine are all frankensteinian monsters But they steep steampunk. They are a little bit. Yes so hopefully what we see is a Uh, a good book. That's what I'm with both these guys. I hope both the books get the love and the attention that they deserve That is the answer Okay, let's talk about some 40k things for a moment since 40k is on the screen Here's your your corn guys. It's sort of two main 40k things we did that we they previewed Uh, this was these corn bizzaker guys I I honestly just it looks like they just gave the bloodbound guns I mean, they're clearly like space marine forms. They're they're elegant. They're smooth But that's a lot of the same iconography in both cases. Sure. I mean, obviously, you're not going to have a massive like I've built my fair number of Berserkers so I can look at these and go. Yeah, they're different certainly, but they're not Like do you remember when I forget what it's called dark vengeance? Maybe when that box came out and it was I think Dark angels versus like a bunch of new chaos Yeah, those new chaos were really something in comparison to the old crunchy Chaos specifically that shows it like they were like in a completely different kind of Like it was almost kind of like going from tack marines to primaris and not just size but just a complexity and like sculpting and all that kind of stuff And honestly the new like regular like black legionni type kind of, you know, undivided or whatever chaos They're fine And I don't know if it's because that stuff that came out in dark vengeance was like So good that this was not as much of an increase and these guys are cool And they're better than the previous ones, but They didn't I don't know they haven't they haven't blown me away. Let's just say that. Yeah, I'm with you Like they're good. They feel like they're hey, it's a new version of the thing I mean, this is my challenge with 40k in general is just it has to operate in such a tight aesthetic space like everything Everything is so set For the most part that they can't iterate in any big way Like they couldn't if they had come out with corn berserkers and just like really went ham People wouldn't have felt like it was corn berserkers anymore So that's why I appreciate when then we get interesting things like with the recent release where you got like the accursed cultists They're all like wild and half bats. Yeah, like those guys are crazy and cool, right speaking of iteration And good stuff that leads to the other 40k thing which I am all about because for the first time in my entire Life at them. Can we talk about how I want to paint dwarves? Sure That's the story right there. You want to paint dwarves them leagues of otan. They got me When they showed off the first squat kind of image again one of the the original Yeah, whatever those guys are like the kind of white armor with some gray and stuff like that I was like, yep. I'm on board again. Not going to play 40k necessarily But you want the models to do what you want with yeah I would like to use them for cool miniatures agnostic games potentially that are sci-fi based Like let's say if you were just going to pick any game out of the air Like maybe you would pick a game like space station zero our newest game that we just launched last weekend that is available now At at space station zero game dot com if you're looking for a sci-fi miniatures agnostic Survival game that will they can be played solo co-op Versus mode and let you explore a branching narrative of 24 different Challenges in an ancient space station where you're trying to uncover the mystery of what's going on and find your way home Yeah, if that were to be a thing I wasn't even thinking that but you did crystallize it perfectly Um, but I really liked that original those original models that they kind of showed off originally They showed off the one Yeah, and we just saw that guy over again for a while and then they started to kind of show a little bit more And then they started to go Off the rails a little bit in my opinion. Okay, okay I don't need them to be Norse oriented And all that stuff like i'm just looking for and I mentioned this before I'm just looking for people who have been hanging out in heavy g And our regular space folks, you know what I mean doing space folk stuff. I don't need them to actually be dwarves I don't need them to be living in space You know halls and banging their space mugs together and doing other space dwarf stuff I just you know, I so they've but again, I'm not everybody so The fact that they will make a box of just the regular dudes I will buy that box and I will take it home and I will do Things with it and make cool models dark things well, I don't know about that But uh, all the rest of the stuff I will be like like they showed off that new santa guy Oh, okay. Look you're down on first of all I appreciate the santa you can build as a guy or girl. It's like the grim near whatever it's or something like that They're they're they're psych or they're wizard So space santa. Yeah is awesome. I will hear nothing else about it. I love that you can build santa or mrs. Claus Sure. I mean that's that's I mean that's yeah, I appreciate that Let's talk about the thing that truly did divide us though Which is they revealed the new big vehicle for for 40k for for the botan for the squats Yes, they did they did reveal it some kind of land tank fortress thing. I don't know what's called doesn't matter I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that there are teenage mutant ninja turtles inside of it And they are all saying cowabunga because it is it reminds me. I swear to god There was a toy I looked very much like that and the turtles would cruise around and get into adventures I'm pretty sure it launched pizzas. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it did too. Yeah, that's that point I never had one, but um it was big and They did finally one of these shots finally show like a picture so you could see other models next to it It's so big. It's I don't know if it fit in this room. I love it. It's very large It's exactly what I want like I will I will definitely be Uh, like I'm gonna be painting 40k space dwarves. I don't know what happened. You're gonna start an army It's gonna happen. Are you gonna start playing? That won't happen. Well But I will paint an army. I own multiple 40k armies and I'm still resisting playing the game when they come out with 10th edition Uh next year next summer. Yeah, and and hopefully they just strip everything out and turn it into a super simple game Uh, we just have like we just like kill all the complexity and then I'll have my squats ready to go Well already because they'll probably do an index or a lot of index. Perfect I say yes, let's do it. I think that they should but you know strip it down to the studs. Yeah Start rebuilding. Absolutely. So that way within one edition they can have it back to where it is at nights right now And then just do it again in 11th 12th. No 12th. Sure every every even one. They just yeah, that's a good Just crank it back. Yeah, I even went now. Yeah Uh, so yes, I'm all about I like their small vehicles. I like their bikes. I like their their big vehicle I like their terminators a lot the terminators. I think even you were okay with for the most part They only had like a couple little small. I didn't like the floaty robots that were just vaguely stuck on pieces of like debris And then they had other floaty robots Santa comes with two floating robots, right, which were not stuck on pieces They had flying stands and I'm like kind of like Pick one. Maybe I don't know. It's just I I always find it weird when I see like a flying thing That is sort of stuck on a thing to make it fly and I'm like or just put it on a clear thing or I don't know. Yeah I'm not a fan of flight stands. So I don't mind trash Sure, like oftentimes flying models are just standing on trash or have odd trash hanging off of them And that's just sort of the requirement because I hate flight stands personally They just kind of break the world for me. So I'm okay with like I can understand that touching off a thing Yeah, I know But if it's just not supposed to be jumping off of it if it's just like no, this is just flying It just happened to bump this piece. It's just barely grazing Sure Uh, but yeah, I'm in for them. I think they look super cool Uh, so good stuff Um, okay Let's talk a little We'll swing back to aos here in just a moment Uh, because I don't really think we're going to talk about the Horus-Harris thing. They they have a new Horus Ascendant They're going to make more Parasy, Aero, Resin, Chaos Ascendant Primarchs. I'm a little surprised they're going to make Horus Resin, but as opposed to plastic. Yeah, right, but I'm also not because everybody else has been done on resin Sure, but I'm like if they're going to take the leap into plastic with one of these guys, you would think it was Horus, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it feels like that would be the one because but they said no Yeah, like it feels like you want to match the Abaddon kit Yes For for I think there's so much on that guy that I'm like that guy looks like he's got a lot of Abaddon things going on Now admittedly obviously he's got the same Claw, you know, uh, not the same Weapon no He's got the Demon Sword and the other guys at the Mace, yeah, but um Yeah, I did kind of think it was going to be plastic. Yeah, but no it was resin so much to Many people should grant Many people should grant, yeah So All right, but let's talk about Underworlds for a minute because we got to see the the Korn folks The three Korn characters, right? Yeah, whatever Korn chose in a crumb Yes, the Korn chosen of of of whatever his name is, prom, drom Grom, Grom I think yeah, I think he was going to prom with prom Grom Yes, the we had seen the big sort of the the dad bod guy before right The other two were new Did you get a Mayan feeling 100 yes, like at one point. I'm like, I expect that guy in the middle to be just saying Kali ma Over and over again, you know what I mean? That's a very different culture, but sure. I get that. Yes. No But I mean which is why like it's like kind of writing this line and I'm like but Yeah, it is odd. It's just kind of I mean, I guess they have done Aztec type stuff before with the lizard men back in the day Yep, or like amazons and stuff like that. Yeah, no, that's true too as well. I suppose. Yeah So that's just interesting that they were like, let's take these Korn guys and move them into Central America South America where's Or the Mayans that's Central America probably Central America Yeah, I would be completely honest. I I'm gonna move this around because I do not remember all of my history My Mesoamerican history. I'm sorry Uh, we're gonna move that up here. We'll just keep that there for now. Uh Yeah, I mean my general answer Is I thought that main dude was amazing the middle guy. Yeah the middle guy the big hulk guy who they said is turning into a Corgirath. Yeah How long does that take? How long does it take to turn into a Corgirath? Is that a like is that a it's not a hulk process clearly It's very slow. No, is it like a two-year degree for your degree? Like what's I think it's probably more of an advanced degree You probably got graduate level working there. You've got a your thesis on why Why does corn want blood and how many skulls should the skull throne have? These are important questions. Right. So you've got to you got to put your thesis in on that Yeah, and then eventually. Yes, you can graduate with your Magna cum laude with your degree in Corgirathani Corgirathanation. Yes, and then and then you get to be you go up and you receive your diploma and then Then it's a mess. Everybody dies. It's okay. Um Yeah, I don't know that that model why it was kind of like man like honestly of the three models It's yeah, it's the main guy and the rest of them are or the other two or I I agree like the the the kind of chunky guy. I don't hate that. I like that I'm actually kind of it's cool to get different body types. Yeah Stuff like that for aos like this. How is everyone how is everyone in this world so cut? Well, except for nergal and nergal and the ogres like the only people who don't take care of themselves. Yeah But like this guy was middle like he's muscular, but you know, I clearly like it's cool. I like that I like that design. It was it's I want to see him play in that space more Which is kind of different body types and things. I think it's it opens up for interesting silhouettes Yeah, I think it's more interesting to paint in some situations too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah But the main dude man that super worked for me Like maybe it's because the mayan it's like or the the central american influence and like i'm thinking of like Ritual sacrifice and blood to appease the gods myself. I don't know if that's what they're calling to or what I mean, maybe it's it's also maybe it's just the image that we see is you know, like how sometimes It's not just games workshop, but they're the ones that probably take the most images Sometimes we see a model and we're just like that is the wrong angle. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. Like those are certain models that you're just like, oh, that's not uh, that you guys I've seen that model in person and that is not the right angle And this is the opposite of that like they maybe caught that guy from exactly the right 100% Yeah, and like I think we're gonna see a bunch of that dude in golden demon 2023 in chicago because that guy is an odd he's pretty open Like his pose is pretty open. He's got like a staff and a weapon And he's funny headset. Yeah, he's got a lot of stuff you can play around with the Either the metal effects on whether you're doing it in true metals or non-metallic wouldn't matter Uh, I mean, I would think those skinny things are actually easier for non-metallic Yeah, it's just small spaces like that are but that being said, I mean golden demon is still the most true metallic metal friendly contest I mean the slayer sword winner was done in true metals. Um Uh, robin of clouds vampires were done in true metallic metals The little the stink was done in true metal. Okay. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, just I mean, it's like again It was treated like non-metallic, right? It was shaded and highlighted. But yeah, it was it was true metallic So, I mean like you're saying you didn't just do what I do and just paint it silver and then Slap some washes on it. Yeah, and then and then come back and edge Highlight a little bit. I think you might have done a few more steps. All right. That's fair. That's fair But you know, that's what you got to get if you want to get that sword, right? Yeah, let's take this step all the way up Um, so but yeah, I think we'll see some of him I thought they were a super cool looking warband. Like I dug that leader Yeah, again, core grath guy is kind of a five out of 10 for me But leader dude was like a solid 10 out of 10. I love that model It's one of those situations where It every time I see them come up with new stuff like they did this just recently with the hexpane Heck where those guys called hexpane hunters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like as soon as they put those guys out there I'm like, man, I can't wait until they drop some stats on that for war cry Because I'm just not sure I'm not playing Uh, you know, we're working around the world today more but when they came out with the tomah champions They're like, look, here you can take all those cool models. Yeah, I've been buying for reasons I don't understand and then now I actually use them in I was like, well, thank you. And like I said, first thing I did was um, rift of snarl fangs and zharmag's gets mix them together into a goonswit gets A warband, which has been fun. I've been playing with sam And there's other ones like I said those those hexpane guys definitely want to put those into a warband But those guys don't have stats yet. So Uh, which we need the stats where where the stats folks where the stats for our for our new underworlds warbands for work I agree hard agree release the stats release the stats Because those are all the most fun things exactly like you said like building them into your work, right warbands I was sad not to see any work right Uh, tonight at all. Yeah, uh, as I mean, they just did have the big, uh New drop of the heart of gore. Sure And they also recently announced that they're basically going to kill team route as far as We're having a season and you're getting three new boxes after the heart of gore Which which they did tell us the names and so we know we've got a bunch of those. Yeah, honestly, like it's a little Like I was like, oh, wow. They told us that names in advance and then I thought wait, that doesn't mean anything That's actually no I mean, it's it's something. Well, the word blood shows up in one of them So that means it's either like corn or a soul blight thing or or a daughter's a king thing It narrows it down to like seven a just sigma arm Could be just somebody who just chopped down a bunch of the meat trees because I'm assuming you're gonna get blood They're full blood. Yeah, it's kind of gross. Yeah, I don't want to go there Uh, so but that's cool. Um, I you know the the I'm My guess is because they gave us the roadmap for war cry. They didn't they weren't ready to reveal the boxes yet So they went okay, you don't get anything. Well, sure. No, no, I yeah, yeah Because there wouldn't be anything right now Unless they were going to spoil the next box Or if they were just going to throw out another rando box like the uh, cast legionnaires. Yeah, yeah, which was so weird Right, and you're like, hey, here's this new big box. It's got two forces in it. I don't get these third guys Who are cooler than either? Which are cooler than in the box. Yeah, we'll just put them on to it. We fine. So, yeah, um You know, right. All right, so let's swing back Through the world Since we're in a ls for underworlds, let's swing back up to the surface Okay, and uh, and we're gonna talk about the slave to darkness because that is our that is our uh winter 2022 release which I knew because the book got Shown off leaked a month and a half two months ago. Yes. Yes, and yeah, oh longer maybe even longer than that It was like was it too may really? Oh, I think it was like may Time is a flat circle. It truly is. So, um Okay, so We saw that since that it's releasing alone Not with another box like interestingly, we probably won't get FOMO boxes For any of the rest of the armies for the year like the dual boxes Because we got arcane cladicate cataclysm the elves versus the the zinch people. Okay But then ogres versus giants, they're not gonna do a dual box for that because what do you put? Like there's no one giant the box should be that big otherwise. Yeah Like I guess you could put like one giant and Like four ogres. Yeah The silliest dual box ever I mean, maybe I'll eat my words on this and and they'll do something really wackadoo But I it doesn't feel like there's any dual box there or they would have talked about it Right. Yeah, most likely if they're looking at them coming out that soon Yes, and so then we're not getting a dual box for slaves instead. We're getting one of the like plush Single release boxes which are like they're doing for leagues of otam which are not the same as like start collecting boxes And they don't call that anymore. Do they no because this they call them like, um Vanguard's I think or something like that. Yeah Uh any who 40k they just call them combat patrols now. I think that's right. Yeah, right So we're getting the special box like so we just saw the leagues of otam one And the nice part of these boxes is it comes with the new figs, right some collection of new figs So Like the leagues of otam one comes with 20 of your basic dudes Plus your champion guy the the cool like big terminator champion guy that the actual carl or con or Good morning, carl. Yeah, it is a good morning, little man. It's three in the morning. Um, so whatever he's called and um And then it comes with three of the Bucks and maybe something else, but whatever that's that's the basic idea. Yeah, I think it was I think it's three of the bikes Yeah, yeah, and so that's cool and then so we're getting the slaves to darkness are getting a uh similar box and uh for theirs It's gonna have the book so that'll Realistically that will be the only way to get the book this year because the way they talked about it They're probably going to release that book in like december Okay The book or the box or sorry the box In like december, right and then the book won't follow on until january or something So if you because they did the same thing with lumen at the wild back Where the only way to get your hands on the book did the same thing with sisters of battle Yeah, yeah another one. Okay. It's all all exactly the same Probably that's with the leagues of otam too. Like yeah, you're gonna be able to get that box The book separately until sometime after right which could be anything from like two weeks to a month or a month and a half And very possibly they don't know right because obviously things have been slipping and sliding around because of the global shipping shenanigans uh, so the Uh, so we'll get that and that will have the slaves book in it Which you do get the nice like limited edition Full art covers when you get those boxes. Yeah, that's cool As well as like tokens and and measuring sticks like you get cool stuff. I like that. I don't remember any measuring sticks or tokens in The what's the most recent one that I've looked at? Uh, black Templar. Oh, did there's not really have any measuring sticks in it, right? But that's another example again. They were not I could be wrong to lord knows Um, I remember the sisters one had extra shenanigans going on nice in it because they had the fancy, um Uh miracles. Yeah, yeah that yes, so uh, the um so the Uh I'm excited for that new chosen the new chosen looked amazing. It was a great cnm in full art in the full rotation We have those new therodon guys the minotaur dudes Yeah, I like the minute I like the one that came out originally full world warcraft. Yeah. Yeah, uh, someday i'll finish panning him He's just got you know, he's the exact problem the exact opposite problem Like, you know how like sam has talked about in the past When there's too much detail, uh-huh He hates that because he wants things to be a lot more smooth because I want to be able to get in there Do all the cool blending and all that stuff. Yes. Yeah, I that's uh, it's guys got a lot of skin and I kind of want to I wish we could cover them and um, I don't know chains or um I don't like a football jersey. Well, you could just wrap chain around him You know, you can buy a little jeweler's chain and you can just start wrapping it around him. I should think about it It's actually pretty easy. Yeah. Anyway, he's I I finished his shield like completely Which was separate and then the rest of him. He's like, you know, maybe The third done got you one of these days So I was happy about them I it's fun to see a new unit of three where they actually have the full command squad, right He's got a banner you got a little dude with a horn and then clearly I want to do the champion Was there one with a drum? I think you could either build a horn or drum And then you've got banner guy and then you got the champion dude So, uh, I thought they were cool looking excited for those and then we saw the demon prince with the alternate faces I'm not even sure if those are all the alternate faces new. Well, here's the question Will that demon prince do you think be built in a kit so that it could also be used in 40k? Yeah Well, we so we saw The 40k demon prince and the question is are those going to be two separate boxes Because the 40k faces are better In this day and age. I almost feel like it would behoove them to do two Like back in the day, I understand why they were like we should just put a whole bunch of stuff in one box And you can use this for 40k. You can use this for fantasy Nowadays because they've gotten And I hate to use this word in the situation, but because things have gotten so bespoke And the ability to do all that stuff. Yes It would either be a more expensive box with a lot of extra bits And you may not be using because you might design up either age of sigmar or 40k or maybe They would actually finally jump into the realm of actually just doing two boxes You know having one that's definitely sci-fi and one is definitely fantasy It could be it'll be a shame because uh like in that regard I would probably just buy the 40k one because they spoiled the 40k faces and the 40k faces look way better Because it's the same thing. It has the different god-specific faces. Yeah. Yeah, what's the I haven't seen I don't know They're just cooler. They just look better. I don't know like something about the the aos one Some of the faces all look kind of a little silly Uh, whereas like the corn and slanesh face in the 40k one look. I don't know just Not silly I guess for lack of a better term. Like scary as a plastic cartoonish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sure Exactly, and it just it just resonates with me better for that model I hate the base face that they keep showing it with I'm not sure if that's actually Because of the paint job because they even like white joker face Oh, yeah, I know and I you know, it could be that that's actually a good face and just the paint isn't showing off And that's not an insult to the painter. It's really hard to be a first person. It could be a bad angle A thing always yeah, like I don't want to ever make one of the the painters who does that stuff Who spent like countless hours working that very large very complicated big feel bad Because it's not that I think it's a bad paint job and it plus an aesthetic choice. Maybe they made aesthetic choice It's just not one that I favor. This is which is that's totally different, right? Okay, um, but yeah, so they're gonna get that bespoke box, which will come with the book So we'll get slaves this year um and The direct quote from the preview show was something to the effect of you ain't seen nothing yet Oh, baby You ain't seen nothing yet. I'm planning Mike must have said that. Yeah, indeed. It's started jamming. Uh, the Basically implying that hey, there's a lot more coming for slaves Um, so I for one hope that that means they repack The new dynamic cast warriors and cast knights Into their own boxes instead of just locking in the start collecting and painted those guys for um, again for war cry, uh, I did the Stupid commander or no the chaos lord on Karker crack a lack of ding-dong over that guy is exactly right. You nailed it And then the the regular warriors and as a person who has painted up the old warriors back in the day For when I was playing age of sigmar like in version one. Um, yeah, the new guys are way better They're so much so much more fun. And but it was yeah for the longest time You can only get them through that start clicking box. And I was like I cannot believe that released in like 2019 Jesus seems longer ago and and we still don't have them unpacked, but it still seems longer ago. Sure. I understand. Yeah, it's 2019 Wow. Yeah, so I mean even so if that means like at the three-year mark one would hope we could get Those things in a box in a box. Yeah, that'd be that'd be nice. Um, so, uh They said in the army box, there would be the 40 k bits too. Oh cool. Good. Okay. They did answer that question Awesome. So that was that must have been come from adam and for the eddie in the demon prince Oh, they must have adamant I would like to see too. No, I'm okay with that. I'd like to see like because I'd like to see too because I'd like to see them actually go A little bit more sci-fi with your demon prince Sure, you want him to have more than just like, oh, he switched out an arm and he's got a gun now Yeah, maybe yeah, sure. He's got a gun instead of a sword. Look out. He's got a gun Uh, yeah, you know, so like, um I'm I'm excited for the rest of aos for this year. This was good. We got to see Bunch of the new slaves models clearly and told that a lot more are coming We got to see the new king brood that was a surprise But one I was very welcome and excited for that's the new ogre guy I knew the new ogre book was coming got to see the new corn models for underworlds And those looked great within it with a like truly amazing leader got some awesome leagues of otan that I am super excited on your You're less. What do you what do you think you are on the leagues overall? Let's let's do some scores Okay, um on the standard on the bog standard troop for leagues. I am Nine out of ten. Okay, the rest of it whole army average Well, there's a lot of them. Yeah, there is a lot so Four out of ten. Okay. Wow. Wow really dragon the other guys really drag it down The entire rest of the line is just not of interest to me So it's kind of dragging down the guys away like a lot gotcha for me nine out of ten all the way through Yes, to Santa Claus and mrs. Claus. Yes to the giant battle wagon. Yes to the small vehicle. Yes to the bikes Uh, there's like the only things I really dislike in that whole line Like it's a nine out of ten for me and not a ten out of ten because the stupid Chathonian chathonian have he say it berserkers the like due to aren't wearing armor Like what is this a thing? Everybody's got to have some does every army need to have some lunatic who runs into a battle with people with machine guns plasma weapons without armor on wielding an axe Or a chainsword or something in uh in 40k. Yes Yes in 40k. That must be a thing Yeah, so that I'm I am I do not like at all how those guys look not a little Not a there. They are a one out of ten for me. I despise them I will not be collecting any of those but everything else in there was good. I like their terminator equivalents I like their big heavy weapon team guys Um, yeah, so that was that was nine out of ten for me like it's going to make me paint and collect space dwarves So I don't even know what world we're living in right now. It's it's it's a it's a brand It's a brave new world. I think it is I I cannot explain the wildness for me to just to have said that sentence Right that hit so hard for me that I looked at it and went I must own and paint this sure. I hate dwarves I don't generally care about you know, those kinds of armies in 40k Like I'm more or less straight onto imperial knights and that kind of stuff again. Here we are uh, okay So that's that one uh berserkers. What's your score the new corn berserkers in 40k? Um Like I said, they didn't uh Below my socks off they were like, yeah, they're better. Um I don't know. There's seven out of ten. I'm gonna give them seven out of ten. Okay I'm a five out of ten because they don't move me. I feel nothing Like they are good sculpts, but I am I am unmoved. I sleep They like I've never found corn berserkers that interesting I used to run a bunch of them back in the day, but yeah They were they were old models back then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um, it reminds me of like, uh The thing I read on facebook or something where they taught where it was a post about how In egypt like during the what we think of is like the the egyptian empire Okay They were they were doing archaeology on earlier parts of their own culture that they forgot because it was such a long-lived culture Sure that they were like archaeologically uncovering earlier stuff from their own thing the same thing This is how it is there. You find even by the time you came in Like when I got right when I got in a fourth 40k in fifth edition, which is four editions ago. They were old then And so I'm just yeah, nice. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Nice. So Uh, all right. Let's talk about the underworlds, uh corn boys. We'll just keep the corn train rolling Where where are you scoring those guys? Those guys are nice. Um Is seven out of ten The big guy's definitely nine out of ten and the other guy's kind of dragged him down a bit Completely agreed. This is this is the one we're totally aligned on like the other two dragged down the quality of that main central figure Who was uh, it was just a home run just a point to left field There it is it's gone I could see like a nice kind of a small diorama though for a golden demon where you see the corgaroth Like getting his degree and then exploding and turning into like the full-blown thing Like you could definitely do some some work there. I think I love by the way feisty crab man said the correct score for the corn guys is eight out of eight Oh, it's mapped. Yeah. Full marks. Yes. Didn't think about that. That's that's solid. It's a good point Okay, uh, let's see The aos ogre guy Ogre guy slash ogre book. Where are you living on that one? Uh, five out of ten. I I actually I'm a I am a here's how I'll phrase it. I am a solid Four out of ten on that guy. I didn't really love him. He's so big and there's so much junk around his waist I just feel easy and get there's like well and they had a Like a they showed us like a picture of like from him from a bunch of different angles Yeah, he just junk everywhere and there was just like a bunch of fur There was just like a weird skinny human arms human arm sticking out of his like like Pocket, I don't know. I'm like, all right. That's I thought he was supposed to attack monsters But they ever once why he's just like yeah, but humans And then he just keeps the arm for later. Is that a trophy? Is that whenever using an arm as a trophy? Maybe that's more like a snack pack. Yeah, it could be that's fine. That's fine because they can eat rotten things So it doesn't they don't have to worry about like preserving meat uh he super underwhelmed me as my honest answer and uh But I am like a nine Out of ten with hope for the ogre book that they get a good book this time the ogre players have labored hard Under a truly middling and and frankly uninspired book. Sure. So I hope they get something that really is like Yes, I feel like I'm throwing my phone around the room. Um, I feel like I hope they get something that says yes I'm this is I'm playing ogres And what third edition a os really has done better than any other edition is most of the books that have come out You really feel like you're playing that army like the new nergal book. You're like, yep This is what it should feel like. Sure to play nergal. So like let's see that with ogres here Um, the sons of badmont, what do you think of king brood? scoring there I mean, he's a Pretty cool model. Um, he's bigger than I generally want, but at least he is a giant so he's got you know an excuse sure Let's say Seven and a half. I don't know seven and a half. All right. I'm honestly kind of a five out of ten on him I'm ten out of ten on having a new special character in the army because I'll just use so I'll convert my own Sure. Yeah, right. I don't I don't need your model to do that. I just needed you to give me the war scroll Right. I don't need another giant kit. I'm good. I designed my own Titan with creature caster. That's a good point. Uh, the titan of body. So, you know, that's that's my king brood right there You want a sweet king brood? Just uh, hit that up. No offense to gw But you know, like I I like a I like a giant who isn't a fat punchy drunk. Um, I want I want the muscularity I'm I'm more of a fan of the titans than the giants. Um, anyways So But I am again super filled with hope that this time we'll get the book right the last sons of badmont book That I played it a lot. It's one of my armies that I played quite a bit And it just was kind of underwhelming. So hopefully again, we actually get a book that is both fun to play and fun to play against Um, yes, king brood is an upgrade spru by the way. Somebody else. I think in comments It is not, uh, it's not a completely new kit. It is the body and legs of the original mega plus an upgrade spru of Other stuff that isn't part of that weapon hands arms, maybe Yep, and then some other stuff around his belt. Sure was new because that's all that's all stuff you just Stick on it's not attached or anything Uh So to me it's just like I don't know how lucky or how much they're going to sell that kit I'm not sure they made it different enough. It's kind of a funny choice Because they if they had made something really different unique, then I would have felt like, okay I've got to go out and buy it but it's so close to the other megas. I'm like, yeah It's I mean they've done that a bunch lately. They were doing that all throughout the first season I hate to call them seasons, but the whole first year of the new kill team 2021 is they would come on a box come up with a box and Not the very first box obviously because you had your you know your deathcore of krig versus your commandos Every box after that has been like here's some new something something super new And here's some old stuff when we threw out a you know add-on sprue. Yeah, they did with the tau path finders. They did it with the chaos dudes they did it with I forget what the third one is. Anyway, it's uh, it's something they've been doing just because they've done it with the guard Yep, you know, I mean it's I'm sure that they look at it and see what the tipping point is of like if we throw in a new sprue We'll sell more but it will not cost as much than versus redesigning the entire you know whole shooting match Yeah, and then okay last one up is the slaves to darkness Uh, what did you think of what we saw there where where you sit on the score new chosen new ogroid theramen and And new demon prince. Yes. There you go. Perfect. Um I ate it eight out of ten. I thought they were pretty good. Totally. That's my number as well Solid eight out of ten. I like the new chosen look amazing. Uh, excited for the new plastic chosen I think the ogroids look great. I'm excited for everything else that's coming in that box Or sorry that's coming in that release. Yeah, um slaves is Uh, one of my oldest aos specific armies like I built a slaves army very shortly into Age of Sigmar It was like the second I built the original storm cast came in the box and the second army I made was slaves to darkness and I've actually built another slaves to darkness army since then so I have two full slaves to darkness armies And uh, so I'm I just I like Chaos is pretty cool Yeah, uh cast knights and I love the The thing about cast that I've always loved is like the iron wall, you know the warriors Chosen knights like those kinds of like the super classic ultra heavy armored chaos people just like Like the doom of man marching forward, right? Uh, so seeing those new chosen was really great. And so I can't wait to see what else they have I mean, we saw the table of contents. So we know some of what else is coming. Sure. Um, but yeah Um But the and then I'm glad to know that we'll uh, that we'll get the cool demon faces in that in the slaves Or in the demon friends box. So right That's good. Yeah, okay And then yeah, that's pretty much That's the preview Anything we missed there you wanted to talk about I want to put like there was Horace. He was fine. Yeah, he's fine Uh, I want to put uh, like jet engines on that. Um Demon friends like get rid of the wings all together. Oh just put actual jet engines on it like some sort of like he grew Like demonic jet engines. Yeah, it's not like that. I mean, there are demonic jet engines You can get for some of the oh, yeah, I'm gonna be um like the jump pack guys Well, also the those kind of things are not so much jet engines as they're like ducted fans Yeah, like for the not the plague drones, but the older ones. Oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yes Something like that be kind of cool I think I've seen people do that before just kind of go a little ham with a bunch of kit bashing But you know, they should just put those in there if you're going to do the 40k version and the age of Sigma version in the same box that'd be kind of cool Uh nupe says Vince likes the bad guys from conan. You are correct. Yes, I do. Oh, yeah I mean who doesn't James real jones. Uh, well just in general all his dudes. Sure. Yeah The aesthetic of of uh, false a doom in all his boys and and yes, I do totally a vibe It is a vibe and it's a vibe. I'm very I'm deeply into right, right So overall, this was a really pretty good preview show. By the way, I think we were here in person Let me just say they cranked through it. Like it was fast. They started early There was gonna be a bunch of like trivia contest at the beginning all that stuff and if there was we missed it I'm not because we didn't wait in line. No, we didn't wait in line We it's not like we cut to the beginning of line. We were just like, there's a giant line We're gonna hang out over here. We just waited until the line all everybody got in and then we came in And there was still plenty of room. There was no reason for a line. No, no reason for a line Like it was yeah, you're right. There's still plenty of room So we and it's not like there was it's not like they say the room didn't have lots of people And they just they had a very big room. They were wisely reserved enough space And set up plenty of chairs for us to all file in comfortably Unlike golden demon Unlike golden demon. Yes, exactly. So they really blew through it fast They were just rolling talking People ask some dumb questions as always that's standard I mean They it's so funny to me every year. They prime it up and say, please don't ask dumb questions Ask us about this stuff never say don't ask us dumb questions. But that's what they're saying. They're being nice. Yes, exactly Yeah, no, but it's always like, uh, you know, and what and then people just ask like, well, when's this gonna come out? Yeah Stop, you know, if you're not asking about a thing that was just on screen because they answered questions about what was on screen That's I asked the king breed question about the upgrades for you answered that Somebody asked about the astromilitarum book and he gave a little hint As to what that was kind of like, you know Not you're gonna not get exactly what you want, but you're gonna get something. Don't worry You know, so like they'll they'll talk about what they previewed That's what they want to talk about as they marketing exercise every one of the things they brought Back before, um, new plastic sisters like every one of these I went to they were always like so when's new plastic sisters and they're like We didn't that's not what we talked about here Uh, yeah, exactly. So it's just Uh, like man said questionary events. How viable would you say the new chosen would be as material to convert them into human Warriors of zinch on disc to ask a zangor and like like super easy most of those guys had pretty wide stances Um and feel like they're probably on a 40 mil or maybe a 50 mil base I get like it's hard to tell exactly, but it'll be something like that Which is basically the size of a disc of zinch a disc of zinch is like a 50 mil size base But they were probably 40s I would bet that they've those chosen guys around 40s most likely weren't they could be well if they're paladin It's hard to tell from the scale. If they're truly meant to be like the equivalent of the sort of paladins from Uh, aos then they could be on either 40s or 50s pending because like the new Um The new annihilators are on 40s the old retributors and stuff in the initial box are on 50s and I was just like Comparing to like terminators and stuff like that way around 40s But yeah, but either way their feet they most of them have a fairly wide solid stance because they're just they're all like This kind of thing. They're all this beefy chunky guy. And so they'll they'll they'll go right onto a disc No issue at all um Okay and uh Yeah, so so like no, I yeah, I understand it like man. I know the zangor enlightened her on 40s I'm saying the size of the disc itself Is about a it's slightly bigger than the base. Yeah, so it's like a 45 mil The the disc which is what you're trying to stand to the dude on is like a 45 mil base effectively um Okay, cool. Yeah, there we go anything else before we call it a night here Um, no, I can't think about it. I can't think of anything either. Good preview show. Thanks gw Well done. Uh, this has got me excited for a lot of upcoming stuff and uh, I can't wait to paint space dwarves That's weird. It is very weird. All right. Thank you everybody. Hey, don't forget We mentioned it during the game, but adam and I are here. We're this weekend at nova if you happen to be here Uh, we're gonna be doing a q&a about game design and about space station zero our newest game that just launched Uh last friday and content management and content Creation there we go. And uh, I don't know. We'll we'll we'll answer any question that we can really absolutely So we'll we're gonna be doing that saturday at nova from 4 30 to 6 p.m. uh down in the Room b or something you can buy tickets, but also there's probably extra room technically so enough tickets. Yeah There's zero dollar tickets. 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