 Thank you, Jillian, and thank you, Sark, and thanks for joining us, everyone. I'm Tim Barron, and I am the Law Help New York program manager with Pro BonoNet here in New York. And I have a deep, deep honor of moderating this panel with three remarkable guests who I'll introduce in a minute. You know, I think it was Helen Keller that said, alone we can do so little, and together we can do so much. And that's the focus of our presentation today. In particular, collaboration and partnerships between non-profit organizations and for-profit companies. And if you'll indulge me with just another quick quote, and here's a quote, from connecting attorneys to those most in need to creating legal tools to help individuals advocate for themselves, we make the law work for the many and not the few. And that's actually our mission here at Pro BonoNet, which is pastored all over our website. But how do we do it? We do it by fostering collaborations across business models, from nonprofits to governments to academia, for-profits, consultants, hybrid models, and so on. For instance, one of the many projects we're working on right now involves an elder justice organization, a bank, an evaluator consultant, and a software company. And potential collaborators, depending on the scope of this project eventually, could include also designers, web developers, copy editors, translators, and so on. And I think a lot of you are familiar with the breadth and scope and depth of collaboration that we do on projects. And today, we'll look at examples of how such partnerships were brokered and structured, what was successful, what were some of the lessons learned. And we hope that from our discussion during the next hour or so, you'll walk away with some actionable insights through your own efforts. And again, I'm super honored to introduce our three wonderful panelists who will share their stories with us. And I'll introduce all three of them now, and then I'll stop droning on. You're welcome. First up is Linda Kim. Linda is the inaugural Executive Director of Corporate Social Responsibility for One Legal, leading the legal tech firm's philanthropic and community engagement. Prior to this role, Linda has held several nonprofit leadership roles as the Vice President of Client Services at Community Initiatives, Director of Pro Bono and External Affairs at Bay Area Legal Aid, and Deputy Director of One Justice. She began her legal career as a staff attorney at One Justice, focusing her advocacy on regulations that affect the capacity of California nonprofit legal organizations to serve clients. She serves on the board of directors for California Bar Affinity, and Linda has lobbied the UN Commission on the Status of Women, developed legal advocacy projects in Cambodia and Indonesia, and worked as a translator with the Central American Human Rights Commission. Wow, Linda, hi and welcome. Hi, Linda. And hello. Okay, Linda will be followed by Grace Gilligan. Grace is an attorney in the government investigations and regulatory enforcement group in the legal department of J.P. Morgan Chase, and a member of the department's pro bono steering committee. Prior to joining J.P. Morgan, Grace was a litigation associate at Milbank, and during her time there, Grace worked on two pro bono externships with the juvenile rights division of the legal aid society. Grace is a graduate of Fordham Law, and Grace was also the recipient of the 2019 J.P. Morgan Chase pro bono fellowship, and she'll talk more about that later in the program. Hi, Grace. Hi, Pam. Hi. Thanks for having me on the panel. It's my pleasure and a huge honor. And that in cleanup is Jeannie Ortiz Ortiz. Jeannie is an attorney from Puerto Rico and pro bono net disaster response legal fellow. At pro bono net, Jeannie works to foster collaboration between legal professionals involved in disaster recovery, and to develop technology and self-help resources for disaster survivors. And before joining pro bono net, Jeannie provided free legal representation on behalf of low income LGBT individuals in Puerto Rico, and worked as a legal fellow at the Central Alabama Freer Housing Center. Jeannie was recently appointed to the American Bar Association's Disaster Legal Services Program, where she will help to coordinate legal help disaster survivors to disaster survivors here in the U.S. Hi, Jeannie. Hey, Tim, and hi, everyone. I'm happy to be here. Thank you, Jeannie. Now that's a mouthful, and it's because our various team guests do so much in the community. We'll kick it off with Linda, but before she comes on, I have to say how fun it was planning the session, Linda, from airport lounges, other far-flung locations. I mean, fun is not a word one often uses for webinar session planning, but that's Linda and our panelists in a nutshell. So thank you all so much for this, and let's get this show on the road. Linda, can you tell us about One Legal and its philanthropic arm, which you lead? And you have a unique story. Could you tell us a little bit about your journey to get to that role? No. Wouldn't that be fun? Wouldn't that be fun? One Legal is in the business of making litigation support simpler. We have a growing suite of products and services that help lawyers build efficiencies in their practice and access court systems. And I was brought on because the company has always been generous and always gave one ass, but never had a strategic framework, so everything was very ad hoc. We gave to Legal Aid, but we also gave to community softball teams, arts programs, civic education, elementary schools. And we lack that sustainable focus that's necessary if you want philanthropy to be a legacy within the company. So my challenge was to look at our core business and determine how we can align a corporate citizenship program with our core. And that's the key to building a sustainable program, like I just said. And one of the first things that we did when I came on board was to change our giving back program. Because giving back inherently, those words mean that it's about us and what we're doing, and we should not be the focus. Our customers, and in this case, our nonprofits, they are the focus. And through a series of informal interviews with Legal Aid lawyers, we came up with our current community partnership program. And the program puts our nonprofit partners on equal footing with us. Our partners are expected to engage so that we can better help you help your clients. The nugget of this is, I want people, I want our nonprofit partners to be thanking me less and working with me more. Does that make sense? Absolutely. Linda, one of the things during our webinar prep we talked about was the 1% pledge that your company took. And I think it's a meaningful framing of this conversation and of your efforts. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Yes, I can. The pledge 1% movement is so awesome, and I'm incredibly proud that we've made this commitment. Pledge 1% was started by Salesforce and a handful of other tech companies a number of years ago. Through the pledge, each of the companies that takes this pledge, we commit to at least one of the four pillars. And the four pillars are time, product, profit, and equity. So it's a real commitment that you're building into the DNA of the company. It helps future-proof you against what happens when revenues are down. It's making the real commitment versus saying, like, where our philanthropy is the nice to have when everything is good, and then if something bad happens, then we're just going to get rid of it. So what one legal is doing is we're formally staking our commitment to giving to legal nonprofits. And we've chosen to pledge in three areas, profit, time, and product, meaning we are pledging to move toward giving away 1% of our profits, 1% of our overall time, and our products to the nonprofits that we work with. Is this something that is more and more companies are adopting, or is this relatively new? How long has this been around? It's been around for at least a few years. More and more companies are adopting it. If you go to pledge1%.org, you can see a whole list of all of the companies. It started with tech companies, but it's branched far beyond that. And I believe, in fact, there are some big law firms that are also listed there. So, by the way, a slide deck will not be complete without at least one picture of that. And amid this entire world of nonprofits, so many doing a really good work. Aside from pouncing like this cat, how do you know which to approach to work with? Well, so stepping back from who to work, I would say, okay, so in order to be sustainable, any company's giving needs to be aligned with the core business of that company. So our company creates litigation tools. So legal aid is naturally a great fit. And I was a legal aid lawyer for 15 years in both direct services and support center. So I have the luxury of being connected to the 100 plus legal aids in California, as well as to programs in all states. And because of those relationships, we're able to very easily give away more. I can spend less time finding legal aid nonprofits that might fit what we need and more time building a program that's meaningful to our partners and actually helpful rather than a hindrance. Here's an example. When Los Angeles Superior Court, which is the largest court system in the nation, when they launched e-filing, I knew we had an opportunity to provide a real benefit to legal aid programs. But we had a really short time to do it, and I needed to be able to do it at scale and fast. So I called Sylvia Argeta of Legal Aid Foundation of Los Angeles, and Laughla is an example of the true collaborative partner that you want when you're trying to figure out how do we reach as many people as possible. They didn't accept my offer of free e-filing and then pull up the ladder behind them and say, well, we're all set, so everyone else can go fend for themselves. Sylvia understood that mandatory e-filing would have a profound effect on legal nonprofits in Los Angeles and therefore on the clients that they serve and that other nonprofits serve. So Laughla helped me reach all the LA programs with an offer of help. They hosted MCLEs to get legal aid attorneys from all programs prepped and ready for e-filing. They helped us answer questions and make sure that when e-filing launched in LA, we and the courts were all thinking about, well, how does this affect indigent filers? How does this affect low-income Californians? And I so appreciate Laughla's partnership because their instinct wasn't to help themselves and just be done with it. It was to ask how can we be of service for the greater good. That leads to the next question. Over the years here at Pro Bono Net, we've worked with a range of nonprofit organizations and for-profit companies. And of course, everyone on this call can probably relate to each has its own culture and unique way of navigating. In your travels, you've worked with many nonprofits on both sides of the fence. As a leader of a nonprofit organization and as someone going into nonprofits to see how you can work with them, what are some takeaways for this audience of what makes a good nonprofit partner? Well, first and foremost, you have to be able to step away from what your immediate need is, what your organization's need or your firm's need is, and ask how you can be of service. The foundational starting point for any collaborative project is understanding how each player is approaching the opportunity to be able to ask how can we help the project be the most impactful. And it's actually the same question on both sides. I would also say to have the open conversations and willingness to build trust and respect. Just remember what your mama told you, just be kind and understand that we all have a role to play and different responsibilities and stakeholders based on that role. My stakeholders may be different from the nonprofit stakeholders and that my role and that of any CSR or firm side pro bono partner, these roles exist within a larger corporate context. So please don't be adversarial. Fortunately, for most of the nonprofits I've engaged with, they've all been collaborative and thoughtful, but if you have come at me with some demands that startled me, and I know that legal aid lawyers are fierce. They're fierce advocates. They're used to advocating against an oppressive system, so I will give a lot of grace to those who come at me instead of talking with me. But I promise you that if you do that to someone in corporate CSR or law firm pro bono who hasn't been a legal aid lawyer, they're going to be much less forgiving and it's not just your reputation you burn, you harm all of legal aid because the reaction can be like, well, this is just a group that's difficult to work with so we don't want to give to them. So please don't treat us like opposing counsel that you don't like. That's a really, really good takeaway for just working together, period, right? Absolutely. Just remember what your mama told you. Yeah. So we do have, I'm looking at the time, and we do have some time for a couple of questions if anyone has a question. I just remembered that before we move on to Grace and to talk about her program, we are going to pause between each of these presentations for a question or two and then at the end, we'll leave some time for some additional questions. So let me check the questions widget just to see if we have any questions and it doesn't look as though we do. Excellent. I've bored everyone. You've covered it so comprehensively. I love your framing. Well, thank you so much, Linda. That was really helpful and we'll move on to Jeannie. Thank you all. Sure. Thanks, Linda. A couple of days ago, Law 360 published an article that was called How Corporate American Can Help to Close the Justice Gap and if anyone saw that, but the article had a lot of, it had some conversation and some quotes with corporate, legal, nonprofit sectors and they have a pretty interesting quote-quote which captures some of what we're saying. And here it is. It says a corporation can develop low-cost technological innovations that can be used for improving justice, facilitate the logistics of how like-minded organizations and individuals pursue their goals or allow its armies of lawyers to focus on pro bono work. And this is a really good intro to Grace Giligan who moved the slides. Who's been embedded here at Pro Bono Net for the past six months as the J.P. Morgan Chase Pro Bono fellow? And Grace, I love this quote that the highlighted part of the quote that you have here and it says, I truly believe the legal profession can use technology to make the world a better place. Can you expand on that a little bit? Sure. Yeah. Thank you, Tim. So first of all, I just want to say briefly that the views that I expressed here today on the webinar are my own and not necessarily the views of J.P. Morgan Chase, the standard disclaimer. Sure. I'm happy to expand on the quote. So, you know, I think people have always been cynical about lawyers. That's something that you come to realize as a lawyer. And we also live in a time of really intense cynicism about technology and its effects on privacy and democracy and even the social fabric. And I think that cynicism, that like deep level of cynicism isn't without reason because technology certainly has been used in malevolent ways. But, you know, I have this abiding fee that technology can still be a force for good because I view technology as an amplifier of all human capabilities, both good and bad. And I think that we can confront that truth not by abandoning technology altogether but by figuring out how to use it in more creative and benevolent ways. And it's really through, it's been through my legal pro bono work that really drives my optimistic viewpoint because it was through my pro bono clients that I realized the power that I have as just one person with a law degree to change the trajectory of other people's lives for the better. And I think I can amplify that mission using technology. So, you know, I'm just, you know, deeply grateful to both J.P. Morgan Chase and to pro bono net for giving me that the opportunity to do that through the pro bono fellowship. And we are grateful to both, Grace. And, you know, before we go into how you chose the project, could you talk a little bit more about, or a little bit, we have already covered the fellowship on what it's all about at J.P. Morgan? Sure, sure. So that J.P. Morgan Chase legal pro bono fellowship is an annual award that the J.P. Morgan Chase legal department gives to one of its in-house attorneys each year to pursue a project that advances the three pillars of the legal department's pro bono mission. Those three pillars are strengthening communities, empowering families, and advocating for vulnerable individuals. It's a really unique opportunity that reflects the legal department's commitment to pro bono, and also its faith and its attorneys to go out and do some good in the world. And I was lucky enough to be the 2019 recipient of the fellowship. Well, congrats for that. And from the vast range of possibilities for projects that you could choose from to spend six months as a J.P. Morgan Chase fellow, how did you go about choosing this particular project? Yeah, so I had been thinking for a long time about in-house pro bono work. I spent eight years at a large law firm before going in-house, and now I've been an in-house attorney at J.P. Morgan for seven years. So I've had a good chunk of time in each sector of the profession. And I noticed when I came in-house that for structural reasons, just the way that a legal department is structured as opposed to the way a law firm is structured, in-house attorneys generally don't have the same tool as law firm attorneys to facilitate long-term pro bono projects. The tools like full-time pro bono coordinators that the big law firms have, 24-hour legal support staff, I mean these are things really in place at large law firms that aren't the same in an in-house legal department. So as a result, I came to believe that there is a vast and underutilized pool of in-house legal talent that could be harnessed in the legal profession's effort to close the access to justice gap. And so as I started thinking about applying for the fellowship, I decided that the big picture goal of any project I would do would be to find new ways for in-house attorneys like me to participate more effectively in pro bono work. And I chose to partner with pro bono net on the project because I thought we could use technology in the service of that goal and the type of organization really shares my deep commitment to using the power of technology for social good. The name of the project that you and the team conceived and worked on for six months is called pro bono bridge and I know that it's not out in the wild yet. It's something that's still under construction and development. Could you give us just a really brief overview of what that is? Yeah, it is still at a very early prototype stage. A pro bono bridge would be a social media platform for attorneys in different sectors of the profession to connect and collaborate on pro bono projects and to use one another's different types of resources to help one another get more pro bono done. So the different sectors being in-house attorneys like me, law firm attorneys regardless of the size of the law firm, big New York law firms and also smaller firms, solo practitioners and then legal services attorneys who need help from pro bono lawyers with their cases and matters. So the idea would be to create a technological bridge between these different sectors of the profession who have different resources and different gaps to fill all in the service of getting more pro bono work done. I heard a lot about J.P. Morgan Chase's force for good team. I should say full disclosure, Grace and I sat next to each other for six months and I missed you terribly. But what is the force for good team and their role in your fellowship project? Obviously you're collaborating across a bunch of different teams and organizations. What was the force for good team? What was that like? Yeah, so the force for good team is a team within the J.P. Morgan Chase Corporate Technology Department. And what they do is they build teams of technologists and designers and other specialists who work in corporate technology and they help build those teams help build technology for nonprofit organizations like pro bono net. And they work on a number of projects each year for different organizations. There is an application project, application process rather for each project that they take on. So when I received the fellowship and was going to revolve around technology, folks within J.P. Morgan suggested that pro bono net and I apply for a force for good project to help us build pro bono bridge. And so that's what we did. And so we had a team of technologists and other specialists within J.P. Morgan Chase Corporate Technology helping us build the system on a day-to-day basis. So it was that force for good team really building the prototype and they're still working on building the prototype. That's pretty awesome to have that embedded on an access to that kind of expertise. Now for our community that's listening right now in terms of takeaway, can you give us some insight into how the partnership between you and pro bono net could be any organization and the force for good team and maybe any other collaborators you may have engaged. How did that work? Yeah, I mean I was in a really unique position where I was able for six months to really have a foot in each place. So during the course of the fellowship I've still been an employee of J.P. Morgan Chase and you're able to work with the force for good team within J.P. Morgan Chase. And at the same time I was embedded within pro bono net and I was going to physically going to the pro bono net office each day to work on the project. So it was a really unique situation to have a foot in the door of each place and to be able to understand perspective from two very different teams. I had a team of people at pro bono net helping me with the project and vetting the different versions of the prototype and making suggestions. And then I had the force for good technologist actually building the prototype and lending their technological expertise. And we got to be sort of in the center of that. And I think personally speaking I think just having the different perspectives and being really embedded at pro bono net was helpful and unique for my project. So we have a couple of questions coming in and we have time for at least one before we move on to our third and final section of the program. And here it is. When you were thinking about structuring partnerships how big and this could be for both you Grace and Linda how big is the focus on sustainability or are they generally limited scope projects? Well for pro bono bridge I think that sustainability is an important discussion but I'm not quite there yet with pro bono bridge where we're finishing up hopefully the prototype in the next month or so and then I'll move into a testing phase. So I think that this sustainability question for me although it's been in the back of my mind as we're building the project who will own it I think the hurdle that we have to get over before the sustainability hurdle is really whether people will be interested in using the tool. So I'm not, although I think that you should have the question of sustainability in your mind from the outset I think I'm still at an earlier stage of will this work and will people want to use it and then I'll deal with sustainability. Yeah, that's great. I really love this question because I'm a little bit obsessed maybe too obsessed with the whole idea about sustainability because there's so many great programs that get started and we get funding for it. Organizations around the country get funding, different sources and then they serve the population but then towards the end of that grand period it's how do you sustain that beyond and how do you market that to the community that you want to serve and then continue to iterate and develop that project. So thanks for that question and a great answer Grace. All right, I think we'll move on to our final part of this program and again we'll leave some space at the end for questions about that and for questions about anything that you've heard here. And so I'll turn it over to Jeannie. I'm not going to do, I introduced Jeannie in the beginning and she just has a pretty awesome presentation about the collaboration between for-profit, non-profit, how to get the word out there how to let the community know that there is help for those in need. Sometimes as we can all relate so much of the people that we need to help don't even know that they have a legal problem or if they know they have a legal problem they don't know where to find a trusted source for that problem. So Jeannie take it away. Thanks Tim. Great introduction and context for that and Linda and Grace it was great to hear your stories. So thanks everyone for joining us today. I'm happy to share some insights from our work on a special disaster relief project that Permanent has been working on with Daints Wages Network. They're a global communications company and we kicked off this campaign several months after the 2017 major natural disasters Hurricanes Harvey, Irma Maria, and the California wildfires. So Daints was looking to expand their corporate social responsibility strategies and program and they were particularly interested in supporting justice efforts because of the legal services corporations Justice GAP report that was published during that year as well. So we partnered with them last year when the conversation around natural disasters was still a hot topic and then especially after other major disasters hit the US like Hurricanes Florence and a Hurricane Michael. And let me quickly set the stage for this if you can go to the next slide. Most of the civil legal issues that people face in the wake of disasters are really a magnification of legal problems low and medium income families may already be facing. So in a lot of cases the disaster just makes the problems worse especially when it comes to housing or family law and when it comes to securing financial assistance from federal or state programs because of the damage caused by the disaster there are many time sensitive matters. And as you can see on the screen these issues can extend to several years after the emergency. So in 2017 and 2018 we were seeing a lot of these issues emerge in Florida and Puerto Rico, Texas, California and North Carolina and many other areas in the US. And especially after these disasters there were a lot of reports and studies articles interviews stories about the devastating and the disproportionate impact that major disasters have and continue to have on low income and low wealth communities. So taking all of this into consideration I think Densu's interest in developing a campaign to support this and also our interest was very timely. And this did not just happen overnight this collaboration there are many groups involved in disaster legal aid both at the local and national level we've been involved in disaster relief since the 9-11 attacks then used many of the strategies to support response efforts after Hurricane Katrina and Superstorm Sandy and following disasters. So it's been years of engaging with stakeholders and special disaster relief initiatives and building those relationships over the years to strengthen preparedness, response and recovery work. So when Densu ages approached the American Bar Association to express interest in supporting disaster relief through their marketing resources the American Bar Association invited us to be a part of that conversation due to our presence and support in this space. And this is the project in a nutshell we participated in an idea jam here in New York to lay out the outreach challenges in disaster legal aid and brainstorm about ways we could use marketing support to expand resources for both attorneys and survivors. Then we worked with two agencies from the Densu Ages Network to create and develop a message for a two part campaign targeted to the legal community and to people affected by disasters. And then the next slide, yes, thank you. And so this is a screenshot of the first video we created with them which targeted legal professionals and what did that process look like? We essentially provided additional context on the work that we do and the work our legal aid partners do to help disaster survivors. That involved several conversations around how preparedness is critical to provide an effective, organized and meaningful legal response. There's often a surge of lawyers who want to help after a disaster and the challenge from our perspective is connecting them to the resources that are most helpful and also to legal service providers who are looking for additional help from permanent attorneys. And attorneys we've talked to about this have cited not feeling confident enough to take on disaster related cases and experience and knowledge. So a key part of the campaign was telling legal professionals hey, you have the skills and we have the resources and we have the connections so let's do this together. We'll provide you with a set of resources and a place to start so that we can make good use of your advocacy skills and your interest in helping out. And an extra layer of that messaging was that just like with many other training is important and knowing about the most recent changes to FEMA procedures or state law is also important. So what are some of the things that worked and what are some of the things that we've learned throughout this process? So big takeaway from this campaign was balancing everyone's goals and timeline for the project and leveraging each side's knowledge and assets. So Danesu came from a place which I think they've done a wonderful job with because we only have people's attention for the first five seconds or so when it comes to videos or ads and then we came from a place of making sure we are being sensitive to people's situation after a disaster, being mindful of all the details and differences when it comes to legal response how things vary from state to state, etc. An example another example is that they wanted to get data metrics from the very beginning and start to track the progress of the project and that was really important for them and it was important for us too but we also wanted to make sure that we were on the same page when it came to messaging and getting our partners feedback that was also important. So finding the right balance between what we both wanted from the project and what our priorities were was very important. I think it was one of the things that worked for everyone's engagement and commitment to the project and especially with the timeline oh you can go to the previous slide and especially with the timeline in mind one of the things I think is worth pointing out is this this was possible in many ways because Pribonnet had the bandwidth and capacity to work on this specific project and even though Dentsu did all of this in kind having several staff at Pribonnet working on this was necessary in my opinion we needed to work with them to develop a message to develop special landing pages to work with our partners on getting their feedback for the campaign and also to work with both our communications teams to publish press releases and manage social media and the launch and now you can yes and then the traditional best practice several of the agencies and partners wanted to contribute to this campaign so I remember that at one point there were like 15 of us in a conference call so things like making sure we got the right edits in place maybe get to some of the people who would find that helpful for context for example or another example talking about the difference between legal help information and legal aid and how consistency with that language is important for all of the creative assets that was important too and on their side explained to us that we needed to limit words for the video because of the time or that several people needed to review when changed to incorporate it we're planning who is going to moderate the variety and multiple comments we received from one social media post that was advertised through Facebook and we were on the same page to agree on one approach to manage that and there were two main ways we managed that communication but I think they're effective one was scheduling bi-weekly 30-minute calls to check in with each other, go over questions and provide updates and then the second one was having point persons on each side who can communicate with the rest of the teams of what's going on in between those check-in calls so I was providing a next contact person for everything related to the project and then they had two other people as contact working on the project and then I think flexibility was also important because when we needed to clarify something that we couldn't do over email both organizations were pretty flexible to jump on a call and talk it over and finally throughout this work and process we found that it's been great for continuing that engagement with our disaster relief partners and have them weigh in on the messaging we also wanted to be mindful of the value of their perspective and their input. For example, Voices for Civil Justice featured the video campaign the one that you saw the screenshot earlier they featured the campaign on their All Rise for Civil Justice website and promoted also through their newsletter and listserv and with social media it was easy for other partners to retweet or share the video or ads related to the campaign so we made sure to collaborate with all of the stakeholders involved as a for profit company and make sure that everyone was connected and we were synced for the launch and then the last slide is just a link to the video that was the first video that we launched we're still working on the second one but you can feel free to play it on Vimeo and let us know what you think Thank you Jeannie, you know what I have the video ready to go so it's only about 30 seconds and just an opportunity to see what collaboration between Densu who is a multinational global in the marketing and public relations base partnering with through a relationship with the ABA or at least going to the ABA and then bringing another organization like PBA or whichever organization in and how that works together so there is, I'm going to show the clip of the video now it's 30 seconds but what I'd love when we come back from that and maybe you could think about our three panelists what is one big takeaway that we can offer to the to the audience for collaborating reaching out and working together across sectors right so let's see if this works to go out of there and okay declared an emergency it can take just a few hours to help people affected by a natural disaster but when they need legal advice it takes someone who spent 1400 hours in class 1600 hours in a library 1000 hours of late nights and 400 hours of bar prep to become a legal expert communities in need are counting on your skills register to volunteer today when they need us we'll be ready together and that's it and I also wanted to say something about the sustainability part because I think that was a good question for this campaign we definitely saw the opportunity no or not but what happens when it's a civil issue okay yeah so for this particularly project we saw the opportunity for ongoing branding and support for disaster relief efforts and so we made sure that we didn't make reference to dates for specific disasters so that it could be something that we could reshare in the future when appropriate and when relevant so at least for the videos part that was an important sustainability consideration that we talked about excellent let me check to see if we have any questions and that was an example of why auto play on videos is never a great idea okay so here is a question that we have and this could go to all of the panelists so I'm going to come back to the one big question or maybe you could answer that as you see as time permits for all of that how important is executive leadership buy-in to private public partnerships for instance have you been in a position where you've had to earn that buy-in and if so how do you go about doing it I'll take that one this is Linda so before I made the sector switch from nonprofit into corporate legal tech I did a lot of research about CSR and different programs in industries like in every industry possible and I uncovered there were five elements of impactful CSR and the top one was active leadership engagement that you have true buy-in from the very top and I report directly to the CEO and that makes a huge difference in what I'm able to do yep that's great thank you and as a final round of questions what is the difficulty of this one big takeaway from each of you about nonprofits and for-profits hybrid corporations can take to about working together about getting those those collaborations going and how to work together once you do have them Grace you want to start with you I'm putting on this one sure I mean I just I think keeping an open mind about the perspective and the ability of different sectors to participate in these types of projects I think a lot of for-profit corporations have these different groups embedded in them that I think a lot of people don't realize even exist so searching for those groups and trying to connect with them I think is a great and worthwhile idea I mean I've been at JPMorgan Chase for seven years and I didn't even know that doing pro bono work within the legal department and I didn't even know that the force for good team existed in the corporate technology department before someone told me about it and suggested that they may be successful with my project so I think certainly if you're within a large corporation to look for those groups that do different kinds of pro bono work legal and otherwise and then also if you're outside or if you're not at a for-profit organization to try to seek them out from the outside I just think that there are so many similar things at many corporations that can collaborate and help non-profits I think it's worth the time to seek them out I would say that a first part is determining if this is a project that aligns with your organization's values and a project that you can take on and if that's a yes committing to that and being responsive and being reliable and flexible with the people that you're working with I found that was extremely helpful for the work that we've been doing with things through ages also acknowledging everyone's work in the project because when it comes to in-kind contributions there's a lot to recognize and give credit for and also knowing that it's going to be a win-win because from the profit side it really expands your reach to your target community to help amplify the resources that you want to share and from the for-profit side I would say also an opportunity to expand their CSR's strategies and to use their resources to support justice efforts and foster a culture of social impact within their employees which I know that is part of what Dainstu also wanted to do through their program and Linda as in any relationship communication is key you have to be able to have a real conversation and if you don't build that out from the start when something tricky comes up later it's going to be a whole lot harder yeah I mean we've done several presentations I've hosted panels and spoken on communication it's so key I agree and that's a really great way to wrap this up communicating with effectively with your partners this has been such an honor such a privilege and thank you so much Jeannie and Grace and Linda for taking the time out of your super busy schedules to plan this webinar and to put it on very very much appreciated yeah thanks so much Tim for organizing yes thank you everyone thanks everyone thank you listeners very very good thank you Sard good wrap up eh and please everybody our webinar schedule for the rest of the year is up at lsmtap.org it is in the chat we have several more webinars coming up including three more this month and they are all free this webinar will be archived on YouTube within about a week here and posted to our website with materials thank you all so much and I hope to work with you on awesome projects like this again in the future thank you bye