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So we have maps and a Bollack on sale 50% off We also have the shredded summer bundle 50% off so both are half off go check them out Go to maps fitness products calm and then use the code April special for the discount All right, enjoy the podcast. Have you seen the The homeless guy, I need to be politically correct what I say last time I say bum bum Yeah, the home challenge. I think I brought him up on the show before and I bring him up the free range Oh, yeah, the guy who washes the windows. Yeah, dude that he ends up. He just made it muddy. Yeah. Yeah I know you're talking about so I but I'm not giving up on him like I had him wash your stuff No, no, so I saw him right. He's he was I see him like I don't know every every other day or so He comes by and he was walking up. He's got his bucket of stuff and he's walking towards me And I just washed the vehicles this weekend. So they're clean, dude I just they just did the windows and everything. So hey man, what's going on? I say hi to him real quick because I know he's coming at me to ask and he and he comes over Hey, you want your windows? Oh, man. I just washed my windows. He goes. Hey, how about your tires? I got armor all and I was like, oh, I do need my tires and rims done though So I got him out there doing the tires and rims right now rim job Sal Clean the rim. What are you talking about? It's just there Underhand pitch it to you. I guess I guess I get that No, so I you know, I shot enjoy it. Well, here's what I here's what I I think I may need to do next time Cuz I don't know I don't know how I'm gonna do this with us because we come in here and we record And so I can't go out afterwards, right? Is I pay him before and I think that's the mistake. Yeah, I think I should wait until he does it So what if you do this? What if you say I'll give you whatever? I'll give you $5 now and then when I come out if you do a really good job I'll give you another $5 like that. So I gave him $10 and said, hey I Do not get a chance to do my rims and tires all the time Even when I clean my own cars and I said I would you could totally get me on all my vehicles And I will I will pay to do it if you do a really good job. Okay, so yeah, I said that if you do a Really good job. I said I'll have you do this to all my cars all the time So do a good job. I gave him $10 and then I actually had Eli give him some some bars and some beef jerky and stuff like that So I mean I'd rather like over, you know, I hooked him up nice and then hopefully he does it You know, it's funny. We's not a good window offering a service, which is great. That's why I love it Yeah, I love that he's trying and he's not all mentally there. He's off He's definitely off and so that but he's the dude that said he sits there kind of chilling Oh, yeah, you know he sits there He's know we got it like his little window washer thing He's waiting for someone to park and then you know, we did we went to that talk that Arthur Brooks did at that event And he talked about how you know dignity is so important and he says if you're gonna give someone money You want them to feel dignity not like you're just giving him money But rather and so his his advice was asked them to pray for you which I thought was brilliant Hey, you know, I'm gonna give you somebody would you mind praying for my my son He's got tests or whatever or whatever and I thought that was absolutely brilliant So I I appreciate I used to have a guy used to do that to my windows when I had my studio Yeah, I had a guy. That's what he would do. He was walking around and say hey, man Would you if you wash my windows? I give you money every week love that and he did every week He came and you took care of my windows. I hope he does a good job because I want to I want to help him out like that I mean, I would pay someone else to do but you haven't seen the rims. You haven't seen yet What's going on right now? So we'll see what we like that. Maybe I'll throw it on my story Yeah, I'll throw it on my story so people can see so there's another example Okay of remember when we were talking about songs and like how we kind of get the lyrics wrong and you know We kind of go through these things like you hear something forever And you just have a thought of what it is and then later on sometimes you know your mind's blown because you're like Oh my god, I didn't even like think of it like that, right? So we were listening to smells like teen spirit in the car, right? Everybody knows a song from Ravana the the name and the title always like I had this idea of like That's a weird title, you know smells like teen spirit And I was thinking of like, you know in the video and everybody's in there in the gym And there's like sweaty people and I was just thinking of like, you know I'm like teen spirit and then Courtney told me like well, that's actually a deodorant. Oh, yeah Like I didn't remember that I do know that I remember that that's just that's a deodorant in the 90s teen spirit was a deodorant It was a deodorant. I remembered it's like named after that and I'm like what that's named after deodorant Yeah, now did the deodorant come out before or after the song? That's always there. Yeah, it was already was already there I remember yeah, I'm sure they would they wouldn't be able to do it if it was after so weird I read there's there's a few commercials I distinctly remember from the 90s that one and really and then noxima remember the noxima girl I do remember yeah, there it is teen spirit anti-perspirant deodorant stick Oh shit, I had no I like I just thought it was some weird reference check the Wikipedia on when it when the company started Doug, yeah, let's find this out. Okay, so I'm not that stupid that's What a great Yeah, it's so weird you said that and I just pictured the commercial it was a girl's deodorant It wasn't one for guys. Yeah, I just didn't you remember the writing a song like to milk like like, you know I'm just like when did that happen were they getting off the bus and like somebody was just like Great title for my song. Do you guys have commercials that you remember from way back that just you can right now play in your head Yeah, so like I did you know the what commercials it stuck in my head forever or the the Wrigley's girls the double mint Yeah, those those I remember that one. Yeah, the herbal essence commercials Great in my head because they were orgasming the I know there's obviously a theme here going with me. They're the What acts body spray commercials like the and the dirty balls commercials Come play with these bowls all day That wasn't that long ago the dirty ball. Oh, yes. It was that's 15 years ago now. Yeah, but you are a kid I loved all the the character ones like you know with McDonald's where they had the nuggets I Had the avoid the noid for yes. Yes. What happened is void the noid no it was awesome I had a shirt. I actually had a shirt my favorite shirt in fourth grade and it said that on it Yeah, the noid yeah, and you nobody gets that now I've always wondered where these companies because I would love to find somebody like this for our business like just come up with a character Well, yeah, you know just the the the mastermind behind Donnie the dumb who is who is the like Budweiser? Burger King's brilliant. Like there's some brands. What about spud McKenzie? Beer is always crushed it like beer is whoever is in charge of finding the creative people to do the ads. Yeah, yeah Beer's always been you know what I just remembered. Let's just you were telling your story about the guy clean your rims Yeah, okay. Do you guys this is this is hilarious? Okay, so way back in the day People who listen to us way back in the day know what I'm talking about the some of the first shirts that we sold When mine pump first got stored started They said zero fucks on them so it said mine pump and it would say zero fucks as we were like we give zero fucks We don't care anyway So we had like yeah, we had a whole bunch of these shirts that we made that said zero fuck We actually wore those to add when Adams like shows here in San Jose. We did we all showed up in like a bunch of assholes Anyway, we had a bunch of these shirts. We sold some of them But at some point we're like let's get rid of these we're not selling anymore So we had a box of these shirts and we threw them in the dumpster here in the back I'm not thinking anything of it right bunch of zero fuck. Anyway, I come to work and there's a homeless guy They were like, oh my god, like he's wearing a zero fuck shirt and he's just like yeah, zero fuck never epitome of zero Remember when you guys wouldn't let me do my idea that I really want to do remember I wanted to go around to because San Jose does have a lot of homeless people I wanted to go around to all the people in the corners that hold the signs I wanted to give them a shirt and give them a dollar for every push-up they could do remember that Yeah, I thought I'd be I thought it'd be brilliant advertising. I'd be taking wrong. Yeah, that's you said you guys wouldn't let me do it I thought I was I thought it was a great idea. I thought well, dude We go over there we give him money We video the whole thing where we're giving him money for for all their push-ups and we hook them up with a t-shirt That's a bumfight ish for me. Yeah. Yeah, that's you see I still I still I'm not like sold on it That was a thing back in the day. That was yeah, that kind of ruined the whole idea. Yeah, you can't you can't really do that Hey, so here's something crazy So every once in a while run into a video that blows my mind and this blew my mind We've all played Mario Kart, right? Of course. Yes in Mario Kart What happens when you throw the banana peel and a car runs over it spins out spin now you turn around right? So this guy he's got like the science channel on YouTube and so he tests out all these things Yeah, so he tested out the banana peels with the go-kart. That's not gonna work. It worked. No, it doesn't it worked No, it doesn't I swear one banana peel on a go-kart or a car go-kart He put a bunch of banana peels so that he wouldn't miss it, right? Okay, and first he's going around corners without the banana peels totally fine Yeah, then he runs over the banana peels and spins out dude. It's the side the banana come on come on I swear to God. Is it like a lot? I want to see you. Can we see it? Maybe Doug can find I have to send I want to see cuz I mean okay, obviously if like the whole the whole thing was banana pills Of course, but it's there's like a patch of them going around the corner is what it was Well, obviously you got to ramp it up now and get a bunch of tortoise shells and it You know, I actually thought fucking around that for sure work fireballs Throw a turtle shell at someone while you're driving some enlightening out of nowhere 100% where did it was like a tick-tock thing? No, I don't know what it was I just saw it on on the internet, but hey, you know, so have you guys ever stepped on a banana peel? You'll fall can't can't say it works I tested it as a kid because you see in the cartoons, right? Yeah, oh, is this is this gonna work right if you put a peel on the ground Peel with not the the yellow part on the outside underneath is the the white part put the white part on the ground If you step on it, you will 100% that must have been a thing back in the day because that was like a reference all over the place Especially in cartoons and yeah, it really works. You see look. Oh my god He breaks like the science down on everything here. He does you got Doug's added up on the TV Are you put is that you I'm watching it Yeah, you gotta fast forward it cuz he like breaks it all down. Yeah It's like minute 455 it's like about 20 banana peels in one spot Yeah, it says do banana peels really make you slip and it go cart race Okay, and you guys so he hits like a corner pretty hard So normally he's going around this corner is totally fine, and then he hits the banana peels and look See what happens every time And he hits the banana watch watch watch watch I'm always fascinated by the people that like have the time to do these types of things. I mean, I'm sure he's got a million I mean does he I don't know how many I'm always got a hundred. It says 112,000 views Yeah, he's got to eat some mushrooms and really have fun. Yeah, you know, you know, you know what though? I feel bigger at work. I mean, it's like you can experiment experiment This idea of like making like a viral video and and like you're gonna make a bunch of money or go famous or whatever from it It's so hilarious. I know like it just doesn't you know when we we talked, you know, we're talking trash You guys were talking trash about the tiktok. I saw it. Do you guys see to Andrew did like the little carbs protein thing when you're doing your little dance? And of course I you know, I knew this was coming like because we said that and heard a bunch of of course You heard a bunch of feelings. So I got people DM and me like justifying well I'm you know, I know so-and-so and it's not just, you know stupid dancing There's a lot of trainers of them they they get a lot of likes and a lot of views and I'm like, okay Well, that's what exactly what we're talking about is that yeah It gets a lot of likes and views, but does it convert into revenue? Which is real the desired outcome of why you are doing all unless you just want people to watch you Well, I think that's I think sometimes I think some people are Internally conflicted with that a little bit like they they may want the popularity part as much or more than the Real revenue. Okay. So here's the thing like fame without getting deriving any other benefit from it is worthless in fact It's all the bad stuff. It's famous bad. It's not cool to be super famous I mean you might like it for a month, but then after that could you imagine never being in it? So we're nowhere to puck from the reality world. I'll tell you guys a story We're obviously nowhere near Anything that I call fame and nowhere near in some circles We might people that might listen to podcasts, but I don't I don't walk around the streets and whatever It's not a big deal, but one time I went to a restaurant with Jessica And we're sitting down and there was a table of people sitting diagonal And they kept looking over one of them comes over and they're huge fans Bring some friends over they take pictures with us and then they go sit down We have yet to eat the rest of the dinner all I can think about now is these people are watching us And I'm trying to have a private conversation and dinner with my wife I'm like I couldn't imagine being someone like a famous select like the rock, right, you know Imagine go to the store everybody. Let's go bodyguards. Well, and we have a bad hair day or something No, we're like imagine love that they'll capture that Imagine okay, and we in our pod the podcast we have shared, you know A personal our personal life and that we've all probably each gone through a rough patch in the last six years that we've openly shared Imagine that if we were that famous you get people they park outside and that's those are the times when they want to catch you Yeah, they're waiting for a breakdown Right, exactly. You're you're having like one of the hardest times you're going through in your life And the media just can't wait to jump all over it. It's also picture it You know what it is Well, the reason why it's alluring is it feels like love like we all want love right from people We all want people to like us and love us, but it's fake. It's not real love So, you know, your friends really love you these people who watch you whatever they say they do But watch how fast they flip on you when something, you know bad happens or something whatever Especially when it plays into their favor where they can sell that to somebody or do you know something to get notoriety themselves I'd much rather be nobody know me, but be extremely successful You know, I mean drive a drive a tow to pick up and people have no idea. Yeah, you know, I mean, that's way more alluring Absolutely, absolutely. Anyway, it's stupid. You guys. Uh, have you guys seen that? I guess the justice Was it the justice league the four hour movie? Yeah, is it the zaks night or cut? I don't know what it's called, but my my brother-in-law. I saw him post Did he say he liked it? I you know what? I haven't asked him. I asked him because I was supposed to ask him anyway So you keep talking right now and I'll ask him. Okay. So so here's the thing. So You're good at well, I told you I would do it and I did I totally didn't do it, right? Just keep making noises out of your face Can we share the We gotta share this is the audience so before we got on here. We had tech technical difficulties, right? Um, that never happens never happens never happens, right? Uh, and it's uh, of course It's sal's mic is wire. It's way more mileage. It's exactly He talks so he talks so much that his wire now I think this is like the second or third one that dugs had to replace. He's burnt out already What are you gonna get the sign a better warranty on this? Yeah, dude a lot of juice goes through this bad Well horsepower anyway, so that so the justice league I watched the the one that they put out in the movies And it was okay. It was disappointing. Apparently this new cut is like way longer And they developed the characters more and it's got way better rating. They're saying it's a different movie essentially Which is cool. That's that's great. Yeah, I'd be interested to check that out Was it supposed to be like the same plot or is it supposed to be completely a different? It's just way more. I haven't seen it. Okay, but apparently it's way more character development There's way more of the story because the original one was was you could fell flat You can tell you watching this this is the conundrum a lot of times like, you know The director has a certain vision for everything and then you know And then the studio comes in and just interrupts everything or some other executive Like it's their hands all and just meddles too much and then it ruins the actual You know the movie the the the film And and I've seen this happen a few times and they talk about this too Even in the star wars franchise because all the politics and all the agendas You know a lot of these people have now, you know in the executive positions They're meddling too much. They're trying to push too many things and inject things within You know story lines and then it ruins the flow of the entire saga Yeah, didn't you say they were doing weren't they doing it with one of the star wars where they were going to do a different cut? Yeah, george lucas apparently and Favreau were we're looking back at like, you know Changing in and re-editing some of those those newer ones that came out like nine and 10 and 11 Uh, it originally it was uh more luc focused because like he's he's the cornerstone of that entire Series, you know the skywalkers. That's what star wars is about and they went away from that And so anyway the the crazy core fans, you know, obviously had a problem with this forever And so it was just like a disconnect from that. So favre I don't know if i'm saying right favre. I know I want favreau favreau. Yeah, he Did the best job in my opinion. He's killing it And you know and it's it just sucks because he's getting a lot of like push back from from the studio and people in positions Like castlin kennedy who's just like snubbing a lot of their ideas because they have way too many agendas Just let them write good stories. Let let them do it. They're they're killing it. Obviously leave alone Speaking of movies, uh, are you guys gonna watch the king kong godzilla? We'll be coming out. Oh, yeah, so when's that come out? You know, it's great. Yeah, that's like the only movie out right now, right? So is it out now? I mean it's coming out. I'm just saying like something to look forward to but uh, like I I started to To to prime my kids about this and and and ever at my youngest is like so into monster movies So we went through and we watched all the king kong. No, we watched all the godzilla You watched the old godzilla or the new ones Both old ones new we did old first and then we did the new the new godzilla was weak But uh, you know the kong the king kongs are great and kong island was kind of fun Uh, but you remember that one pacific rim. Yes, that was so good by the way. It was great Is that your first time watching it? No, I watched it a long time ago, but I rewatched it with my kids and I was like, oh, yeah, this was really well done I wasn't that good. I was surprised. I watched it a long time ago, too. I can't remember what I thought For a monster movie. It was it was fun. Here's the thing. So and this is what they did really well Monster movie genre, you know big monsters or whatever that destroy cities There's a there's a flavor to them and an energy behind them and when they get too serious I think they lose it There's got to be some fun behind it and then what's fun is watching the monsters fight and their different skills You know what it is. Yeah, they got right into it. You could not sound nerdier right now, bro I love monster movies. I can sound nerdier. I'm gonna drop something on you guys, too, okay So remember wandavision like at the end where uh in a spoiler alert for everybody else, but like There's one of these one of the the aliens comes back and like talks to to I forget what the agent's name was But she turns out to be one of these scroll aliens. Do you know all about the scroll race? No One of your mothers So this is this is something that like apparently they're like shape shifting aliens And in the old comics they come in and they like basically play the roles of all the avengers and like all the you know Yeah, and so I'm like, oh shit Because I'm still confused is where they're gonna take this franchise because after thanos snapped everybody gone, right? And then and they're trying to reap You know piece together. Yes this entire crazy universe Not so we got these scroll aliens that are gonna be like no, that's exactly full trading I'm hoping that the new kong godzilla. That's not a nerdy heart. Yeah, I did Parks back. I'm hoping they have that that old school monster movie flavor. It was fun It's fun to watch pacific rim did a good job. Yeah, some of the other ones didn't By the way, do you guys know I don't know if you guys knew this So the original king kong versus godzilla was a big deal, right godzilla was the the monster Of the asian franchises, right all the Japanese movies king kong was america's monster We had the famous, you know kong movie or whatever the where he climbs the Eiffel tower and gets shot by the planes Did you know that they made two endings for that movie? I do I did hear that so one for the americans Yes, the american audience king kong wins. That's the one I watched as a kid king kong defeats godzilla I did not know which is improbable that for the japan for example godzilla. Come on He fucks everything. Yeah, the the the Japanese audience got to see godzilla beat king kong Which I think was fuck man. I want to see that one. So my my uh, apparently very nerdy brother-in-law too just responded, right? So his This this is word for word is this response. It was good. It took me three sessions to watch it though I could bring myself to I couldn't bring myself to watch it one sitting I'm not a huge fan on Snyder's direction style, but I do think this version was what should have been released Laugh out loud. You open the gate. I could talk about anything batman for hours Okay, let me give you guys a cell phone ever so you guys can talk so okay, so hold on Here's the deal There's okay. There's a couple things in life that you're either one or the other For example, you're either uh, the who you either love the who or you're led zeppelin You don't love them equally. That's just a fact either one or the other see I thought it was more The polarization was more beetles versus rolling stones. That's another one. Yeah It's like you either love the beetles more than anything or you like I'm gonna say right now I am all beetles same and I'm all led zeppelin same same here. That's come at me So here's the other one. You're either batman or your superman It's one or the other you don't like them equally because they're so opposite from each other right superman is like the Superpowered Boy Scout batman is the dark. I'm sure there's uh batman's way cooler. No superman. I'm sure there is a A you know psychology reason for that right you probably whichever one you most identify with the most is probably who you're drawn to So if you think of yourself as more the darker Good bad guy, you're gonna like batman more if you think you're the more clean cut You know played by the rules like you know superpowered. Yeah, you're a superman. Are you a superman guy? You'll have one weakness. I like that. Are you a superman or batman guy? Oh, I'm batman all day superman's bro Can I just tell you something right now in Superman would annihilate batman and while eating a sandwich and reading a book doesn't matter. He's cooler try writing good villains around Superman. It's just so lame Kryptonite it's always kryptonite That's all there is stupid Although the original Batman or the Joker Batman, you know, like there's so many villain characters I agree. I think that's that part is really cool But you know the original Superman movies of the 80s were awesome except for the one Where Superman? He has to stop the nuke because what's his name is blowing up one of the the zod or no not zod It was uh, what's the other guy's name damn it the bald guy. Oh, thank you very much He sends a nuke down to the San Andreas fault so that it'll start an earthquake and cause Part of california to float in the ocean Yeah, so he has to either fly down to stop the nuke or fly down to save lois lane He can't do both lois gets buried under rubble He gets pissed off He flies up into space and then the stupidest thing i've ever seen in my life He spins around the earth and makes the earth rotate backwards and somehow that takes goes back turns back time I like come on dude. That would cause earthquakes itself Yeah, there's science in there. I thought Doug was about I thought you were going to chime in right there to Shut this nerdy conversation down right here Close to it. I know you threw him another bone there. I'm going to change it though for you guys So for the listeners that are not that that was fun. Whatever. I have a couple questions of one I want to I want to get to a kid's update on both of you guys It's been a while since we've kind of updated where everybody's at and but first Sal you got to address uh, linnie Linnie is uh for the youtube watch so people that are watching on youtube see that uh, Justin has a big guitar behind him his Veronica. Oh, yeah, she has a name always Oh, you never ask any guy. Yeah, okay, so so Justin has Veronica and sal has lenny What is the story on lenny? So lenny is it's a statue. It's like a chef He's got little glasses on kind of chubby cheeks I'll tell you the whole I'll tell you even why he was named lenny, which is it's gonna hurt someone's feelings But whatever so so when I got When I became a general manager the first club that I managed Was selena so they i'm a 19 year old kid or whatever and they sent me down to selena's to their One of their smallest clubs just to test me out. I did real well So then I got one of the the flagship big clubs, which was sunny veil You should tell them to like selena's was like they they you either they sent you out there either one to Kill your career put you through the fire as a as a new guy or basically to kill your career Right, right and I was a young kid and so I was the youngest general manager at the time in the history of the company And they wanted to test me out send me to selena's I crushed over there I think believe it or not you want to hear something crazy So just get into some numbers The the the club's entire total gross goal when I got there was 60 something thousand dollars for the whole club Uh, we were hitting 120 to 150 thousand at the club So they were like so they put me in sunny veil Which sunny veil at the time was where that's where the big dogs got developed right? So they said we're going to give you this big club So I get in there and this is where I met uh marcoochie our good friend marcoochie who he this guy is He worked at selena's with you. No, no, no, no sunny veil. Oh sunny veil So so my old so the manager that was there before me was one of my first mentors don Who I've talked about on the show don hired marcoochie, but splits right after becomes a dm I get marcoochie is this new kid and this guy is just he's a character I don't know how to explain marcoochie, but he's a total character One of the most pure sales people ever in your life and just oozes charisma He is one of those people that is obnoxiously loud Cocky as shit and you love him. You just love that's how I would describe it Which that's a rare right? It's rare. You meet somebody who's loud obnoxious and cocky You don't like him right away. You don't like him, but he's not that no He has all those attributes, but at the same time he's so like one of the most charismatic people you ever meet Absolutely in your entire life. So anyway, I get there and I'm you know, I'm 20 now and marcoochie's 21 may he's a kid too and he walks in he's got a suit all in the briefcase He's a sales counselor for memberships. I'm like, what the fuck it's going on But anyway, I love him right away He sets up his little office and he brings in the statue. Oh, this is from I didn't know this is from marcoochie's So he brings it in so he puts it in there and so then we become friends were crushed But anyway, when I left that club he gives uh the statue to me and this statue has always followed me around It's followed me around in every club I've run It followed me around in the studio the studio that I ran it was in my house It's like a good luck charm or whatever. It's good luck. Lenny. It's weird because it's a chef You know and he used to have a frying pan, you know the frying pan broke So he's just candy standing like this or whatever. He's just about to make you meet the board now Here's the here's why we call him Lenny So I'm not gonna say his last name but our district manager When when I was in this club was his name was Lenny and he's great guy love him But he was overweight this is overweight district manager for a fitness company Which we always kind of thought was hilarious And he looks just like this dude. This literally looks like a statue of my district manager So we named him Lenny. Oh my god. I did not know that we didn't have some fat managers I always thought that was great. Did you guys did you guys know that bob brooks passed? I don't know if just remembers him, but I know you know Yeah, I definitely remember. Yeah, bob brooks died just the other it's like maybe a week or two He was a uh a district manager that I had been in the company forever I really liked him. He he had a very uh most the guys were kind of you know Very high strong crazy aggressive. He had a very leave you alone. Yeah, you did a good job Very chill personality. He said something to me that I've said a bunch of times To this day. So it stuck with me forever And I was this you know wild Anxious kid when I was in first getting into management and leadership and stuff and this Bob brooks guy comes in I'd never met him before and we're talking And I don't remember what it was that I was all antsy about wanting to get to And he tells me the he's the one who told me the old bull young bull Story, I'd never heard that story in my life before and he he gives that analogy to me to get me to kind of calm down And slow down and I coming from your district manager You're not ready for someone to tell you a story like that and I died forever. I use there's actually so much wisdom No, there's a ton of that's why it's it's good. It's obviously it's a bit offensive or much for somebody to hear So I you know where I first heard that story the movie colors you guys remember colors Sean Penn and uh, I don't remember who else was in it. Uh, but was that spike Lee? No, it was uh, one of the first gang movies that came out. Um, and it was in that Colors no shit. Now the cop the older cop is played. I can't remember his damn name dug You'll know who it is. He's the what's his name Robert Duvall. There you go So it's Robert Duvall's the old cop Sean Penn is the young cop great movie by the way if you haven't seen it and he comes in and they're They're part of this gang task force and at the time in the 90s in the early 90s This was the peak of gang violence, especially in uh, Los Angeles So it's a really really good movie and he tells that story to Sean Penn Because Sean is this like young like I'm gonna go in there and fuck everybody up attitude and Robert Duvall's This old experienced wise cop. Yeah So he says the story which is it else I'll repeat it again on the podcast There's a young bull and an old bull standing on a hill And the young bull looks down and sees all these cows and he says hey, let's run down there and fuck one of those bulls Excuse me. Fuck one of those cows and the old bull goes. No no no relax dude. He goes. Let's walk down and fuck them all It's that that's this that and there's but there's wisdom in no that you updated that story for the 21st century No, no, it's it is there is a lot of wisdom Slow down and then you can I mean she adjusted and I we were just talking about this affair about being patient with things Right. We talked about you know a lot of people talking about me. No, we were We were we were talking about we were talking about like we're getting ready to update the studio, right? Which is it's going to be costly or whatever like that Justin's got some stuff going on with ax on that both things I think that I could say if you don't mind me saying about you that he was very anxious to do right away You know like hurry up. Oh, yeah, absolutely It's drove him crazy since day one the way some of our branding and some of our stuff looks in the way The studio looks and things like that. I've had to be very patient with it Right and and the and the truth is like it's going to work out better having waited longer And so I think there's a lot of wisdom in and getting people to relax You know don't slow down take your time and you get all things will work out. Yeah It's a lesson. It's a constant lesson. I think everybody experiences that in some direction But yeah delayed gratification is hard, you know, it's it's a hard thing to to have that discipline But it's so rewarding once you get to that place where you start to see it the fruits of it Come think of all the mistakes you made as a young guy with your training You just wanted all you all you want to do is get there faster than you than you could possibly imagine And so your idea was I'm going to go harder. I'm going to add more. I'm going to do more volume I'm going to do as much as I possibly can because that'll get me there faster I would have progressed three times as fast had I been a little bit calmer Wise and slowed down I slowed my own progress down so much because I was that young bull Trying to run down the hill or whatever. No, no, me rather than taking that time speaking of workouts Um, you are working out in your garage now, right? Are you all set up? Yeah, we're set up So we have it. So I've done two workouts. I've done two workouts in there I've had it for a little over a week and a half or so that I've had it now What did you I went in your garage? You had the the prx squat rack the racks. You had plates on the walls Yeah, I don't have quite the the setup as we have Truckee or here But close, you know, I did all the by the way, I did all the Mine doesn't look as pretty right doesn't have all the colors But I didn't realize how cheap the all black rubber plates are the same for my house. That's not my setup Yeah, so the black the black rubber plates are way cheaper than the the cool color ones now for here in our studio We're on camera. We want to display it. Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's money well spent for here Whatever, but you know for home and where I don't have a platform and mats and stuff like that I'd rather have the rubber plates that we can bounce off the off the ground. So I got all black So everything and so it all looks it looks uh, so you got bar. We have dumbbells I have dumbbells only only up to 50 pounds though right now. Oh, that's from when you go really heavy Yeah So yeah, we only we only have up to 50 pounds on the dumbbells. I have a couple kettlebells. I got a The barbell obviously from them the rack that I got everything obviously to mount too like that too I wanted it so I can fit all three cars in the garage and The whole setup no problem with the dope the cage up against the wall plus the weights on the wall You're literally I mean, how much would you say the distance is off the wall? Not even seven inches six inches I wish I had this back in the day. Oh, it's it is the most Brilliant and here's the thing too is that that it's sturdy as shit. It's sturdier than a normal case It's way sturdier and it's so the the design on it is brilliant And I mean that's there's a reason why they're they have safety bars you could put on the bottom If you want to work out on your own Yeah, yeah, so I got all I got all that stuff and I've worked out of there twice Um, I still I stand by the the debate that we had that continued on in our forum right afterwards Oh, yeah, I actually have something to say about that So have you gone through there lately to see what the comments were because okay, so the debate This was an episode ago. I don't remember. I don't know how long ago it was but the debate was If people are going to be more consistent working out at home versus Going to a gym Adam said no, they'll be less consistent because the gym improves consistency because you drive there. It's more serious It's not just there or whatever. He made it a compelling point I said home gyms will make you more consistent because you don't have barriers, right? You don't have to drive anywhere. You don't have to put on any special clothes Listen to whatever you want. You can work out with your kids next to you So we had a bit of a debate and then it went on the forum And people in the forum were kind of sounding off with their comments and their opinions Have you gone back and looked at all I have and here and I do have you noticed any trends? Yeah, they're they're leaning your way for sure, but here's besides that Well, here's what I'll say though about that There's a very self-selection bias going on in the forum You have people first of all podcast listeners already are typically, you know higher intelligence Motivated to grow and learn self-discipline is going to fall into that category too You have people that have access to the private forum like we do a lot of our programs are at home type of programming So of course a majority of those people are going to say that Oh, I have lots of success with the at home working out or I'm more consistent with that and because there are those type of people I think the the majority I still believe so you think the less Serious someone is the more like more consistent. They'll be with a gym. I do really I do because because of the the points that I brought up before is When you drive there and you get there you're you're there and yeah, but you still gotta drive Yeah, but here's the thing here's the conversation that happens to me It just happened one of the two workouts I had I think they've done a study on one was a confined one was a great workout And one of them was an okay workout. Well, just fine didn't have to I didn't have to crush it that day But what's really easy to do when you're home is to go that's enough That's enough. I can always I'll finish up a couple more. Yeah, I mean you are not you are not that serious No, okay, so I found so here's what I did. Yes more people were leaning towards what I said I just think it's because I'm right, but here's here's the other thing Just kidding. Here's the thing that I noticed though More it was a majority of women liked the home workout more often Oh, that's what you were looking for than the man That there were more guys and there were still more guys that like the home workout And I think you might be right There's probably is there definitely is a self-selection bias there going on But there were more women that like to work out at home versus at the gym And I have some I have some theories as to why I think the uncomfortable factor of working out in a gym. Yeah affects women way more I'll get behind it. I'll get behind that because that was much more likely 100% I would I would say make the case that More than half if not a much greater well and juggling schedules like having to yes to do Right, be in a mom and pick all these things up Like be all kinds of places at once and to be able to to carve out like a significant amount of time is always a big That's fair. I'll get behind that 100% Yeah, I definitely think that um, yeah Yeah, if you ask me to compare moms right if moms was the category Which we have a lot of moms in our forum and stuff I would definitely think that The at-home gym probably serves them the best out of like all the demographics of people that are using the gym or go Or using that home. Yeah. Now. Here's the thing the female Consumer base is the largest. They're the biggest consumer base for all things for most things fitness They're like that for most markets most markets women are the health in general Are the jet are the largest consumers for most markets, but for fitness. They still are I know when gyms If you look at gym memberships, uh, and that includes studios and odd stuff women are There's a greater percentage But when you look at home fitness women dominate if you count all women's fitness including videos dvds, you know Uh, extras, you know different types of exercise equipment. They definitely dominate So but I do think a lot of the fight master. Oh, yeah, that was that was the big highest selling Product. Yeah in the fitness category. What was it? I remember you got we looked it up one day. It was it was the thymaster No, no, no the numbers like the number. It doesn't make sense. It was something ridiculous. It was insane It was pure. That's such a great example of how effective marketing. It was the stupidest thing in the world Right. I had in spring everybody's house had a thymaster when I was a kid. No, every single person now Let's uh, but transition back over to what I wanted to originally ask you guys, which is family updates So, you know for a while there were you on the kick of especially right after your son Doing the dad talk and I know I get a lot of people that message that are asking me updates on things So I want to get an update on uh, really it's where we at right now I know the the only thing we're hearing right now is that you don't sleep, right? So I'm assuming that's still going That's all that's going on No progress. No, nothing. He is just he's um, he's now about four little older than four and a half Months old and he's very aware. He's a very aware little kid. Anyway, he's always looking around If you ever see him you gotta see videos of him. He's kind of staring and watching people He's starting to now have a little bit of separation anxiety. So we went over to my aunt's house And you know other people were holding him and before he couldn't he didn't really care You could pass him around But now you can see he's looking at mom and me and then he'll cry a little bit because he wants us So that's starting to happen and I think the next if I recall correctly because we we have this app and stuff That tells you like all the leaps that they have The next one is he's going to start to recognize phrases if they're in the if they're in a certain context So like things like don't do that or okay. It's time for bed. He's gonna start to recognize those things So that's gonna be fun. Have I ever told you guys what Katrina does for max with the whole no thing? Have I ever told you guys if I should know, thank you. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I was staring that with somebody else and like Oh my god I'm still waiting for when those words come out for the first time to see how well That ends up like working if he actually does well, so here's something that's really cool, right? So my older kids I have my son's 15 my daughter's 11 they're they're similar But they're also different in certain areas one way that they're different is my son is super touchy-feely, right? So when I was a kid, I was very touchy-feely if I was sitting next to someone I'd have to touch their hand I like to hug a lot like the kiss. I'm still kind of like that. He's like that So even now at 15 if I go up and kiss him on the face He doesn't like fight me and push me off like a normal 15 year old would do now my daughter She's got to be in the mood to be hugged or if she's not she'll yell at me and whatever And I tell and I'm and I listen because I want her to feel very Which is interesting you would think it would be the opposite right now if she's in the mood She'll come sit on my lap or she'll hug me, but it's got to be on her terms, which is totally fine I want her to feel like she owns You know her body or whatever, but she's not at least not in comparison to my son. She's like a cat much Yes, exactly cats are now now. Here's the deal my x my x wife was not the touchy-feely one I was the touchy-feely one so I could see one took over you know took after one and one took after the other Now jessica very touchy-feely like me. So I'm like, I wonder if a radius is going to be like like that Super affectionate dude this little baby. Okay, if I kiss him on his face And I just I'll literally just leave my keep kissing his cheek He like if he's looking at something he'll close his eyes You can hear he's making like Yeah, and then if you stop he like leans his head back And he doesn't know how to kiss but he he opens his mouth and he just like Puts it on my face. You know like he's trying to kiss. Yeah. Oh, man. It melts me. Absolutely melts me. I love it so I have the first Like moment of like I failed as a dad Like I my first like like and then everybody will tell you right and by the way save the dms I don't need everybody. I'm not doing this to you know get you to oh, it's okay. Don't worry about adam Whatever, you know, I get those every time I talk about shit like this, right? I get it So it is going to be okay, but I had the first like fuck. I fucked up Why did I not think of that or why did I not do that? And I've shared on the podcast and with you guys many times like he's just naturally Drawn to music, right? So he just he loves he loves music I you can he could be totally distracted with something else. I fire music up or put You know youtube, you know country music videos on he will drop what he's doing come over sit in my lap Just to listen. I've seen any dances. You've seen all this stuff, right? So he's all into the music Okay, not quite into the basketball like I'd like him to be but he's in the music like crazy. Okay So Here I and and we're you know, we're we're trying to get the Encourage the nanny to do more like educational stuff because we're starting to get closer to two years old And we're getting closer to that age where you can start he can really start to pick things up and start to put things together and learn right And uh, I I don't oh it's my cousin my cousin Stephanie who you guys know She was sharing with me the the homeschooling program that she has and her too She has two younger ones right now and they are like some of the smartest kids I've ever met And she attributes it to the homeschooling program and one of the things that they do Is they teach through song So these and they teach history and economics and they teach everything through science behind it. Yeah through song And and what they do is every year they build on it So, you know the kids and she goes it's she goes it's amazing We'll be watching some documentary and some you know somebody who I don't even know who they are The kids will rattle off the when they were born when they died what they were famous for all Like just like all this stuff and it's all from these songs And where I was like, why did I not piece that together now? I read to max every single night consistently I've never missed a night since he was born and very proud that we've we've been good about that yet I don't sing to him really not really like it. It's probably it's probably not a bad thing dude. I don't know if you've I So I didn't even just like maybe a week and a half two weeks ago or whenever I had this information Whenever she told me this Like the light bulb went off and right away. I started like, you know singing the abc's, you know, and like with rhythm to him Already he's like he picks up the beat. He wants to do with me. He you could see him trying to that's brilliant I'm like, oh my god. Where was it? Why was I not thinking of that earlier because of how how quick he was drawn to music I should have and they tell you that right like that's the thing we you watch your kids They're all so unique and so different And I think the goal as parents is to be aware of those things And learn to steer them in that because they like it already And what did I fuck up by not being on top of that? He's still younger. I know I know But you know, you know what's crazy is that they they think that's how humans passed on Of course information before we wrote things down or knew how to do that And that's all your story. Yeah, and you remember things with songs. You remember You could recite all the lyrics of your favorite song, but if it wasn't a song, you know A heart would be to memorize the lyrics. That's why I remember all those stupid jingles from commercials Fucking burned in my brain. Yeah, and you're and here's the thing It makes sense. You like music too on top of that It makes sense that you remember all those things and it was like this light bulb went off when when she was telling me This about her kids But that's good news. Now, you know, I know, all right, so I was gonna respond Right, so and I'm and so I'm already starting to implement right away too. I went out You can look this up. I can't remember what they all were off top of my head But there's like the top 10 Teaching songs for kids at that age and everything. So something to look out I just so anybody else who's got a kid out there that is drawn to music like again That's you know, you double down in that area and and pushing that Swats are good for the glutes Danches good for the pecs Something like that anatomy in there Hey, I hope you're enjoying the podcast. Look real quick before we get to the questions Head over to mind pump free calm and check out all of our fitness and health guides We have a lot of them. They're all totally free You can download them learn a lot if you like our information You'll love our free gods of guides again. It's mind pump free Dot com go check it out. All right. Enjoy the rest of the podcast Our first caller is william from new mexico Hey william, how can we help you? Hey guys, uh, I'd like to just start out by thanking you guys for everything that you do I mean you've changed, uh, you've changed the way that I work out really changed my life and uh A lot of the dudes in my department. I've been a volunteer firefighter for Coming on three years now and I'm finally making a step to apply to a career department Making some good progress in the application process and the whole time they've been talking about You know the style of you know brolifting isn't Isn't going to cut it. Um for the rigorous academy. They said, you know, it's It's going to be more similar to crossfit style lifts and then obviously, you know running stairs and push-ups and whatnot burpees for For additional pt. So I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions on, you know What kind of workouts I should be focusing on to get myself prepared Um currently I do like a hypertrophy and strength cycle. You know, I learned it from you guys, of course, but uh It's currently what I'm at now And I just want to see you know, what should I be doing now to to prepare to keep myself Safe and and be ready to do this a map map strong and he's whooping everybody's ass is doing cross Oh, yeah, map map strong would be a great program for that You know the the best thing you can do is number one a majority of your training should mimic Uh, whatever tests they're going to put you through so if there's for example I know, um, I've trained firefighters in the past and and I know in the past it was like a One test was to pick up a a sandbag or a dummy that weighed I don't remember the weight was like 150 pounds I had to carry it over certain things and carry it for certain drag it drag it and so We would do that um as part of their training So the more training you can do that mimics the type of testing and what are you going to do on the job? The better you're going to be at those things now on the side There's definitely value to doing general strengthening exercises to build overall Strength and those are the you know, the those compound lifts that you probably heard us talk about so many times Your deadlifts your overhead presses your rows Zercher squats are excellent for Probably what you're going to be doing a lot of Single leg exercises and rotation to prevent your you from injuring yourself But you got to train in a way that Somewhat mimics what you're doing and then throw in some general strength Uh type exercises, but a majority what you're going to do is going to look like Whatever test you're trying to to pass I would I would definitely If you don't have map strong we'll hook you up with that So I would run that pretty much how it's laid out for you And then what I would do is we have what are called work sessions in those And the work sessions are on the opposite days of like your foundational days in those work sessions I would I would take some of the exercises like salsane So if you can get a hold of a sandbag or get a hold of a dummy or some of the exercises or Tests that you'll have to do I would incorporate them into that work session But the rest of the program I'd follow it pretty closely to a team and I think that It will give you everything as far as work capacity Upper body strength leg core strength Doing things like zercher movements all that's in there and I think that's a phenomenal program Yeah, I think what would get some people's way oftentimes when they're training for something like what you're talking about Is either one of two things either they don't fully understand You know what their training should look like and so they're not able to maximize the performance or They're afraid of losing You know bodybuilder type gains. They're like, oh man if I go off my You know my isolation exercises if I stop training in this, you know the split or whatever and I train for this type of performance I'm going to lose some of my aesthetics In a case like that, uh, you know, I would say you got to pick, you know, one or the other It's like it's like when you play video games and you're you're building your character And you got 10 points, but you have to divide it up between stamina endurance You know muscle strength speed, you know that kind of stuff and you you put it all in one You're gonna you're not going to be able to contribute to the others. It's like that That's kind of how real life is so those are the two things that'll get in your way. But if you're okay with Allowing your body to look the way it's going to look to maximize your performance to do your job the best Then train specifically for that if functional training is going to be at the utmost priority And so yeah, I I'll just echo what these guys have said, but really, um, you know in terms of like Special specialization for you know, what you're trying to do Um, I would really focus in on movement and joint health And so making sure that you're always checking yourself and making sure that uh, you know You have the the proper range and mobility and and joint support Uh to keep keep your body healthy because you know, you guys are putting a lot of demand on on your body You know beyond this test and and this rigorous thing that you're trying to do, you know going into that It's it's really just the sustainability of maintaining that functional strength Is everything in a job like that. William. Do you know what the test looks like? So As far as the physical test for application goes, um, I've already passed those Um, what what we're looking at now is an 18 week academy where it's monday through friday And it's um, you know academics as well as the physical side of it So the physical side of it I mean they're going to go and have you do workouts and from what I understand It's it's kind of like a mix between hit training and some crossfit style stuff So it's 18 weeks of what they say is rigorous rigorous stuff like that you do some running so Yeah, I'm I'm definitely concerned about about my endurance as well as you know the The mobility like you were saying my mobility is garbage. So I know I need to I need to Work on that. So I you know, so do this we got we're going to hook you up with map strong. So you got that for free We have the maps prime pro webinar Literally make it a make it a habit at least a couple times a week that you just go through that It's at prime prime pro webinar.com, right Doug So go to prime pro webinar.com I take you through about 50 minutes of mobility basically from the feet all the way up to the neck And just follow it follow it take it, you know, you could do it in your living room at your house Just making an effort to do that at least two or three times a week In conjunction with with map strong The amount at the first phase of map strong is like 20 reps shit So you want to talk about building your work capacity and your stamina You're going to get that right out the gates with phase one of that program. Yeah, what people don't realize I mean endurance training, uh, you know, you're going to adapt to that really quickly What's going to really weather the storm is you know, really focusing on your joint health and joint support And so like Adam said, I really would highly suggest even the entire time through You know, you're testing to to really be cognizant of of where your joints are and how you can, you know, help keep them healthy Yes, sir, um, I I could be doing something wrong every time I try to go to that website for the webinar It says this session has expired and it's no longer available. So I I'll try it again And well, let me let me I'll get dug on it right now. Hold on William Let me get dug on it right now and that would be a big big problem because I've been telling people to go there Seems to be available still prime pro webinar.com So maybe you need to clear out your cache and uh If you've tried to log in before maybe that's what it's doing. It's going to an old page. I'm not sure Yeah, so clear out your cache and it should work Okay, and if I if I so I'm uh, a little indecisive. I've been listening to you guys for years and I've wanted to buy one of your programs But I've had a hard time deciding which one to do because I'm a mess But would you recommend because I know for sure I I'm worried about my mobility Would you recommend prime or prime pro because I'm a little bit confused on the difference So we're we're sending you we're sending you right now strong for free So you got that to follow and then follow the the free webinar prime pro and then That would be the one that I would invest in and by the way when you go through the webinar There's like a 50 off coupon that gets kicked to you afterwards So go through that take advantage of the free stuff We're hooking you up with and then if you were going to invest into Another program that I would I would get that to complement what you're doing Yes, sir. Well, hey, I I really appreciate it guys. I can't tell you much I'm how much this means to me. It's all I want is to you know be successful in this career field and uh You've like I said at the beginning you've touched my life You've touched the lives of many dudes at the station You know I've turned them on to your podcasts. I showed them the one you did about first responders You know and we listened to that whole podcast together as a group As well as some of the ones like how to be a winner and whatnot. I mean you guys just produce Phenomenal content and I appreciate it awesome. Yeah, that's the best of luck to you and thanks for saving lives, huh? Yes I appreciate it gentlemen. You have a good one brother You too. Thank you so much Yeah, it's uh, I can't stress enough the specificity specificity I know it's a hard I messed it up, right of training, you know It's like if you're If you want to get good at specific things train those things that should be the core Of your workout and then the other stuff will supplement it. I think a lot of people make mistakes by You know, they don't do the specific stuff that applies to what they're trying to accomplish They focus too much on general stuff, which you'll get carryover for sure No, but if you have to like let's say you have to jump over a wall You have to drag a 150 pound dummy if nothing will get you better at doing those things than doing those things Practice them Yeah, if you can if you have access to a wall or you have access to a sandbag or a dummy That you can drag Nothing is going to get you better for that for that test or for whatever they're going to put you through Then that but that being said, uh map strong is like the work. I mean that thing is all work capacity You're gonna build a big old motor with maps wrong. Yeah, he's gonna Guarantee if he does that leading up into all this training. He's gonna smoke everybody. That's that's doing crossfit Our next caller is lisa from michigan. Hey lisa, how can we help you? Hey everyone, how's it going? Good great Just okay. Yeah, I guess okay We're great Great All right, so first of all, I know everyone says this but I just gotta say it too Love your show listened up pretty much everyone about a year now um So my question has to do with Lake training lower body workouts um, I was introduced to Heavy weight weight lifting held me about five or six years ago. Um I was a runner Long distances and someone suggested that I work on building my posterior chain in order to um get faster actually and Showed me some exercises did um they worked and I got faster And I was hooked so I Ended up following various bodybuilding type programs over the years and Something that I have noticed Is that my legs? grow So fast and so easily and As a female. I mean, it's not like I'm looking for a thigh gap or anything but I struggled to lose body fat In my thighs and then they grow really easily so I'm Looking for some guidance as far as I mean, how do I change my lower body training um I did purchase a few of your programs because They were on sale and I wanted to get a closer look at them. So I purchased multiple of them um Right now the way I train is I do a lower body an upper body And then more of like a full body mat con. So Like lower upper are very like heavy traditional weightlifting um And it looks like in your programming There's multiple days of heavy legs. Well, the various programs that I looked at And it seems like whenever I've tried to do multiple days of heavy legs over the years my legs grow now I Do own a calipers and a flexible tape measure So I know for a fact that Like my body fat has stayed the same But my muscle has gotten bigger like that's where the girth is coming from I don't really feel like doing a ton of cardio Is the answer In leaving out all heavy weightlifting But just kind of wondering if you could I don't know tell me some modifications that I could make to your programs Or if you have other ideas Okay, I got a lot of ideas. Yeah, that was that was a short winded question. Yeah, so So here's a here's a deal Lisa. We got it though. I feel like we got everything. No. Yeah, this ever actually quite It's very common. So here's what'll happen if you follow a maps program You'll wake up the next day with just way too much muscle. It's really powerful I'm sure That's not gonna happen. Okay, so a couple things number one question for you. Are you still doing any running? Yes, um, I Not the longer distances anymore. I do one day of like a sprints basically that's it done 30 seconds off 20 minutes done Okay, okay And then I like to be able to keep myself in good enough running shape where I can go out and run three to five miles So I do that maybe once a week. Okay. So okay, so that's not not too much Especially compared to what you were probably doing before now. I was training for 25k before got it Okay, so what you're saying is quite common first off as a female you're going to Store more body fat in your lower body now much you can actually actually believe it or not That's a good thing. They show that when women store body fat Mostly in their lower body. They tend to be healthier. They tend to have higher Omega three fatty acids in their body. They tend to have healthier children. So that's that's not a bad thing It's a very normal natural good thing But I know I can I can hear your frustration, right? You want more balance in your body You want the upper and lower body to match a little bit in that case In that case, I would say this look when you do your full body routines Train your upper body first and leave your legs for the end of the workout That should make a difference and then number two reduce the volume of your lower body workouts. You know a lot of people have One part of their body that tends to respond faster than other parts of their body That's that's where the individualization comes from when you when you change your routine, right? So if you're a guy and you're working out and your chest just grows real fast But your arms don't seem to Match then you would put more focus on your arms less on your chest You can do this with your lower body as well and you're not gonna Gain more body fat in your legs as a result. You don't there's no such the spot reduction is a myth Your body burns body fat from you know, wherever it wants. So I would do less volume Go ahead I didn't say anything. Okay. I would do more But more upper body work less lower body work Save the lower body work for the end of your workout and then use your your calipers and your tape measure as a guide Points you in the right direction and then I'll I'll add to that. So I agree And I think there's nothing wrong too with adding a little bit more Endurance running, you know in this case like you do that Um, you definitely will lose more body fat. So you could run a little bit more you could also Uh, do like if there's a one of our programs where it calls for you to You know squat twice in the week you could exchange one of those out for like hip thrust instead Or do something like lunges or step-ups to a balance maybe incorporate some stability training in their Unilateral type of work instead of all the bilateral strength training like that'll help. Um, this was something I had I dated a girl that was a competitor She had a very that she would her quads were so Overdeveloped that we literally would when we were getting ready for showtime All she would do is lunges. That's all we did We wouldn't allow her to do any squats or really really heavy lifting So you can definitely modify the workout like that. There's nothing that says you have to bilateral heavy squat all the time So if you see an extra and if you do something like Hip thrust instead of doing this on squat day. So follow our program. You see that it calls for You know, it's you know back loaded barbell squats and instead you go do hip thrust instead and your butt will just get bigger Right. Yeah, you get you you build the butt you build the butt But then you don't develop the the thighs and the quads as much, right? So this is the conundrum We've always been in with even writing a program because you know, there's general attributes that we're trying to To put out there and hope that most people will respond too But like in this case like there are you know opportunities to add these modifications adjust things You know reduce some volume where you see where your growth is really rapid and that's something too I experienced this with a couple clients who you know, their traps grew a little too You know too pronounced and so it's like it, you know There's certain things individually that you can modify and adjust and tweak and so it's good to have communication And that's why we also have a forum where a lot of this discussion happens Also, keep in mind too that we don't or I wouldn't recommend completely eliminating like leg stuff just because Right leaning it for leaning out purposes. That's a huge advantage for you, right? So you burn the most calories doing leg exercises Most of our muscle is in our legs. So that's going to speed your metabolism by having muscular legs So if you were to completely eliminate leg stuff, you would also have a harder time leaning out because of that So it does work. It does. That's where I was that's where I was feeling kind of stuck Like right calorie deficit right now And to lose a little body fat and sure enough my upper body is leaning out my lower body is not But yet I I'm totally on board with like heavy compound lifting. I realize, you know, that's That's probably the solution but yet, you know, so Should I more Sort of discontinue or avoid the concept of progressive overload then and then just Not necessarily not necessarily, but I don't know if you've listened to the episode but you should go listen to the episode that we did on a progressive overload There's nine I think we listed nine different ways to progressively overload progressive overload doesn't necessarily always mean Adding more weight to the bar. Yeah, and you can just cut the volume down You know, here's what here's okay with someone like you if you're very gifted in the leg department with muscle And then you think to yourself. All right. I'm not going to go heavy anymore. I'm just going to do more reps And then here's what will happen. You'll build more muscle as a result of doing that So just cut the volume That's it. Just cut the volume and don't and don't prioritize your legs when you do a full body workout Like we almost always if we're if we're writing a full body workout The first exercises are lower body. They're the biggest movements most bank for your buck I would save them for the end when you're done with when you're done with all your upper body stuff Then you go do your legs Okay. Yeah. All right. Thanks for calling in Yeah, thanks a lot guys. No problem Yeah, that's um, uh, the longest question yet It's the award, you know, I tell you this is this is where bodybuilding's got a lot one area In bodybuilding that's got a lot of value is the bodybuilders are excellent at understanding how to Slow down development in some areas and speed up development and others. I love this client Like so, I know I'm razz and are a little bit about the long-winded question But this is actually really common. Um, you know, a lot of people that come in the gym And they they want to, you know, change their body composition. There's normally areas They're either very happy with or they develop really well or areas. They don't and this is where I I like our job And it's and it's not as cookie cutter as oh go follow maps aesthetic, you know, or oh go follow this program I have to be able to modify and adjust which is how we wrote these always We've always never or we've never said this is the perfect program for everybody It's you know, here's here's some general rules But here's a great example of nothing and what I love doing with a client like this since almost everybody Is underdeveloped on the posterior chain Like I would get rid of a lot of the quad stuff and I'd focus more hamstring I would do, you know, stiff legged deadlifts and more deadlift stuff I would do more good morning type of stuff I would do movements that I've almost never I don't think I've ever had a female client Say that their posterior chain was overdeveloped. Right. It was always quads And that's why I went to the hip thrust area because normally it's it's normally their thighs, right? They don't like that their thighs keep growing getting bigger But most girls aren't are completely okay with adding an inch to their butt, you know, or their hamstring because here's the thing too You develop those hamstrings even if they grow in size It gives this this great look on the back side and it's just it's the number one overlooked muscle on both men and women This is just the perfect example that you know, like once we get so divided in these camps like oh Well, I'm just gonna power lift. I'm just gonna crossfit Like there's so many individual differences to to account for bodybuilding is a great option to really sculpt the body So it's you know, it's a valid method, you know, and all of these can work and we can interweave them together Our next color is Graydon from Alberta, Canada. Hey, Graydon. How can we help you? Hey guys, um First off just want to say absolutely love you guys found your show just a little over two years ago And it's absolutely helped my training a ton. So um, just wanted to ask I play basketball and football like my whole life growing up and my offseason training was always centered around like bodybuilding type movements but I've wanted to start a powerlifting program and I'm wondering what are the benefits and Detriments of incorporating bodybuilding movements into a power lifting program. Oh, okay great great question You know of all the strength sports, I would say bodybuilding and powerlifting have Probably the most to learn from each other. There's a lot of value that power lifters can get from Doing certain bodybuilding movements or even focusing on hypertrophy And there's a lot of value that bodybuilders can get from from you know, learn that they'll learn from power lifters So here's the stuff that I would avoid for power lifting I would avoid lots of the isolation movements or over emphasis on lots of isolation movements Um, you know, lots of side laterals and you know kickbacks and those kind of exercises There's a little bit of value for powerlifting in that especially if there's an imbalance But not a ton now the value you get from bodybuilding for powerlifting really mainly revolves around The type of volume the changing the angles and a little bit of hypertrophy If you get a power lifter and you get them to add a little bit of muscle or size There's all of a sudden their stability goes up and they feel like the more in control of the bar So you could do higher reps Cycles of higher reps Unilateral training so power lifters do a lot of bilateral type training But if they went through a cycle where they did, you know lunges for example Front squats single leg type exercises when they go back to their power lifting They typically notice better stability in their lifts. They feel more stable In their in their heavy lift So those are the things I'd look at because bodybuilding is really good for just for size And for balancing the body out a little bit more so than powerlifting I would say So there's one major detriment that salad didn't address that I think you should definitely know That both bodybuilding and powerlifting do a disservice to athletics Is that you a lot of the training is like in the sagittal plane like everything is well, I'm surprised you I was gonna comment that you had bodybuilding is the the go-to training program for those sports Yeah, so that that's the the real bummer about both those I mean sports is so much rotational strength, right? There's so much in that If you get really really strong uh in in one plane, uh, it does really hinder that and and that's a lot of times We're like injury happens. I know where my injury happened playing basketball I was because I train like this I train mostly in the you know power lifting bodybuilding type of world or modality And then I still like to go pick up a basketball every once in a while and it just I mean that's where I hurt myself Great. Is your question to get better at Basketball or is your question to get better at powerlifting better better at power lifting? Like I really want to make some like major strength. Yeah, but it's he's also off-season. He's also you do you still play sports? No, no, this is just oh I said that was growing up. I played a lot of sports and that's I got it All I really do now training was like watching steve cook videos and training Got it got okay. I misunderstood. So I always under the impression This is just off season because there's a lot of value in bodybuilding power lifting style workouts in an off season to Any sport as long as you just keep in mind all the stuff that I was talking about but Okay, so if you're not even worried so but that's the thing you got to be careful of though I just want to let you know that like if you start to move in this powerlifting bodybuilding world and if I don't know if you still get the itch to go play ball every now and then Like I do Yeah, so be careful because you get really strong in one direction You ask the body to rotate left or right or turn in a sharp direction or You know slow down real quick and go the other way And it's just you haven't been training that way But yet your muscles are really strong from bodybuilding and powerlifting and that's a lot of time where the injuries occur Well, just one thing I've noticed from bodybuilders that convert over to power lifting Especially with the deadlift is just like technique wise like a lot of like trying to really pull and You know having their elbows just slightly bent to to really like muscle up of the weight versus training their body to You know really master the technique of it and really apply You know the the force uh and get their their body to to go through the the proper mechanics of it Uh, so, you know spend some time not really like stacking the plates right away But really like honing in on the the the technique of of these main. Yeah, I would go I would go powerlifting Uh 80 percent or maybe 90 percent of the time 10 to 20 percent Bodybuilding and you're gonna get carry over you'll get some good carry over, you know For example power lifters nowadays. This was never the case before but nowadays you see power lifters Doing bicep curls. I mean they used to they used to say they used to make fun of doing curls But then people were tearing their biceps and so now you see more of them doing bicep curls here and there to prevent that from happening So um and same thing with tricep, uh, you know exercise You see them doing more press downs and cable exercises So, you know, if it's 80 to 90 percent powerlifting 10 to 20 percent bodybuilding You'll get great carry over for your powerlifting. Well, great. Are you following do you have any maps programs? Uh, no, I want to start maps power. Oh, yeah, I guess is it Are you saying that it's better to like in a powerlifting program? to Do your powerlifting program and then incorporate a week or two of bodybuilding or bodybuilding movements in your powerlifting program Follow maps power lift. I would just focus on power. Yeah follow maps power lift. It's got everything you need You'll be set. Yeah, and you're trust. I mean a good example of how good you'll still look Don't worry. I don't know if you follow our buddy ben paulik But ben paulik is a bodybuilder power lifter guy who goes back and forth between two who's also who helped write that program with us But that's black belt stuff. We gotta master it first. Yeah. Yeah, just follow the maps power lift program We'll set we'll send that over to you graden Oh awesome. Thank you so much. No problem I I totally Misunderstood. Yeah, I know when you were answering I was listening to you. I was thinking the same. Well when I read I play I oh it's as I played right so past tense But I was assuming that like he said and then he brings up offseason. I thought he was gonna go I think he's just telling us his history But he did still say that he will go play So and this is this is both my big injuries that I've had have been because the last, you know Decade plus I've been you know bodybuilder power lifter guy You're asking your body to do something different You're putting a big engine in a car without great handling for example That's right. Your horsepower is gonna increase and so yeah if you're not You know maintaining the the quality and integrity of your joints It's you're gonna feel well the irony is injuries always happen from lack of strength It's just the lack of your specific strength, right? So you can get really strong in one area But you're weak in others and that means that you're gonna your risk The risk of injuries increases Absolutely because you know like you said you're I would if I was uh out of shape right as far as strength wise And I just laid off a plain basketball for let's say two years But wasn't lifting went back to playing basketball I would less likely be get injured But because I built all that horsepower up built all that muscle Then went in there trying to do movements like that that's where you get in trouble Now that I understand his question better It seems to me like a lot of what we answer to with people that really want to still incorporate their cardio They they don't want to lose you know this endurance, but meanwhile they want to build their strength Well, he wants to get into powerlifting and really like indulge in that but doesn't want to lose the bodybuilding thing You know part of it. Yeah, but talk about a modality though that really is going to Play well. Oh, yeah, and his question really is is there a detriment? It's like well no not unless that's a majority of your training I mean bodybuilding training is not for looks No, it's going to give you more stamina and that'll help with your powerlifting because bodybuilding is more volume typically higher reps You're going to be better at hypertrophy, which is good. You'll do more of the unilateral type exercises, which I've you know I've noticed in myself Backing off the bilateral stuff doing the unilateral stuff Go back to the bilateral stuff and then I'm able to surpass my previous best But but but keeping like just taking the time to just focus on that You know is you're going to get the skill of it and then you could get creative and interweave them together But really to just focus on that's going to be massive for him. Our next caller is tina from texas Hey tina, how can we help you? Hey, how are you doing good? Um, all right, so I have two questions. Um, my first one is about um calorie surplus and my second one is about if so, um As far as the calorie surplus goes, um real quick. Um background. I'm 51 about two years ago I started um getting some menopausal symptoms Everything I was doing before wasn't working anymore. So, um, I dove in starting to research and I I was able to re comp pretty good at about, you know, after a year and a half by following macros and lifting more consistently And so I wanted to step it up and I hired an online coach in december because I just um my goal was just a little bit more muscle definition And um, she put me on a six day split three leg days, which was great. I'm loving it. That's what I'm doing right now and um She put me on a meal plan. That's like six meals a day typical, you know grilled chicken rice Um, I was able to follow it. I lost some body fat, but I'm still feeling like um, I'm not getting the muscle definition I want And I'm wondering if it's because I'm not eating enough. That's what I've read You got to be in a calorie surplus to gain muscle And then as far as the if goes, I've always really liked if I like the way it makes me feel I like the health benefits of it Um, but I've read that if you don't break your fast within a certain time Certain amount of time after your workout that you could risk, um muscle loss Let's stick to the let's stick to the first one first. Let's get the first one first and let me add Tina I have a question for you. Uh Did you ask if your personal trainer listens to mine pump first? No, I did not Oh, Tina, Tina Damn it, Tina. That should be that's I tell everybody if you're gonna hire a trainer That should be the first question you guys asked right now So that that would be the first now second question I have for you. Where are the calories at right now? So, um, I started in December when she gave me the plan. Um, she didn't give me calories She just gave me, um, you know ounces and follow this plan when I calculated it It was like 1200 calories and I asked her I'm like, is this right and she said, well, yeah, they're gonna vary a little I do have one high carb day Um, so they were like around 12 1300 But I listened to my body and if I'm working out and I get hungry. I will eat I'll make sure I make some good choices but good so, you know, I wasn't following her plan 100% I was listening more to my body good for you That's and that's better because a six day split and I don't I don't know what what's how how tall and how heavy you are But that's uh, that's not very many calories, especially somebody who's training Uh, that aggressively so that would be the first thing, uh, you're you're correct in the idea If we're gonna try and build muscle I unless you were a total newbie you're gonna some, you know You will see some newbie gains Of building muscle when you're on low calorie But for the most part in order to build muscle build that metabolism up We're gonna want to increase calories and so I would actually push you more in the direction of like a Maps anabolic type of program, which is only a three day a week full body routine and increase your calories To help build some muscle speed the metabolism up before I take you back the other direction Yeah, your calories are a little low and because you've been cutting for a little while and uh, you know your age You know even you talked about your age a little bit I would exactly what adam said Bump your calories up and try to gain strength and gain muscle and what you might find Um, is you'll actually get leaner as a result You might find that you'll gain muscle and lose body fat at the same time at 1200 calories You have nowhere else to go right if you stay at 1200 calories and you're not as lean as you want to be The only way you can I guess the only direction you can go is by dropping your calories even more And that's just not sustainable at least not with the clients I've ever you know worked with it's too low so bump the calories up and I would go for strength I would go for increasing strength and you'll you're likely to find that you're going to get leaner As a result at the very least you'll maintain your leanness gain some muscle and speed up your metabolism Which case it makes the it's going to make the future cut Much easier as far as intermittent fasting is concerned. Uh, no, that's false You're not going to lose muscle if there if you don't eat food for you know for a day or whatever of 12 hours That doesn't work that way. However Too frequent intermittent fasting Um in people can sometimes be a stress on the body And this is more common with women and more common with women Past the age of 40, uh, you start to see hormone imbalances pop up a little bit more often In women than in men by utilizing things like intermittent fasting Now the reason why you feel so good doing it There's a couple reasons one is it boosts catecholamine production This is like your epinephrine and your you know, these kind of feel good energy hormones cortisol goes up a little bit Which feels good and it gives you energy But over time this can be a little bit of a stress So I would limit fasting to you know, once a week or something like that, uh at the most Um, just if you like the way that it feels otherwise, I wouldn't worry too much about it Doug, do we uh, what was the name of the yeah But was do we do an episode titled intermittent fastings making you fat or something like that? That sounds familiar Yeah, look it up Yeah, maybe you can look that up while we're talking to her so we can give that to her If not, if I don't get it to you by the time we hang up, I'll definitely give it in this podcast So make sure Tina if you haven't listened that episode we did a really good like full and depth dive On the pros and cons of intermittent fasting how we think most people should use it how most people use it wrong Uh, I think I think that episode will probably answer All the questions that you have around that Um, and then we're gonna shoot you over maps in a block. I'm assuming you don't have it Do you not have maps in a ball? No. Okay. We're gonna shoot that over to you for looking at your program. Yep I really want to um getting into one of your programs. Um, the only thing is I just want to make sure I Can do them at home with my weights. I have um dumbbells up to 50 pounds We have we have we have the option for you to do All of them we actually have we last year when the whole covet thing happened We actually made mods for all most all of our program about 90 of them have At-home mods that all you need is a set of dumbbells and you're fine So they all come they all come with a mod. So we're going to send you anabolic for free. So you can follow that Uh, slowly increase your calories. Don't increase them a ton, you know, just and actually the way you're doing it Probably kind of right now Is probably perfect. If you're hungry feed yourself. Just make a good choice Um, and then the other thing that uh, I I'm gonna offer to you for free is to come in our forum So we have a private forum Where you can you can come in there and we've we've besides the the three of us are in there We've got tons of you know, nutritionists. Uh, we've got other personal trainers in there Uh mobility specialists a lot of brilliant minds and a lot of great people going through our programs And you got questions about your diet. You got questions about your training program What's going on you put them in there and you'll get that same type of feel that you're probably paying for with a Online coach only you get it for free once you're inside the forum All right, cool sounds good. All right, great. Thanks for calling All right, thanks guys. Have a good day. You too, Tina Yeah, that old, uh, you know online coach approach of yeah, she said that I was like this food Yeah, I just eat this food cringe worthy. Follow this meal plan. They didn't even tell her the calories Here's your workout six days and by the way, okay You put anybody on a grilled chicken rice 1200 calories six meal a day Six days a week lift. Yeah, yeah, and six days body parts split lift You're gonna lose weight and lean lean out a little bit for sure So the initial results that you see is not is not a reflection of good coaching or good training It's like this person obviously should have focused first on building strength and increasing calories Build her metabolism up before she went into a especially at 1200 calorie. I mean and again, we didn't ask How much she weighs I'm assuming she's more than 98 pounds though. Yeah, so I mean, that's definitely super low calorie And not and I wouldn't be training her six days a week on a split a full body You know two to three day a week program would serve her much better Our next caller is whitney from Ontario, canada. Hey whitney, how can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for taking my call Um, my question is it relates to working out with your spouse. My husband and I very different backgrounds I have about 13 years of experience weightlifting um powerlifting Olympic lifting I competed in crossfit. Don't come at me for that for the better part of a decade And uh, so since then I haven't really had that much of a structured routine and my husband Definitely has not had one nor has he had the experience of The olympic lifting the power lifting that technical stuff And so I'm wondering which one of your programs would be something that maybe both of us could go through together And we also work out at home help us a little bit more about him So what where would you consider like his like his fitness level? I know you say he does no weightlifting background Like how's his mobility? Yeah, see how out of shape is he or is he not is he relatively fit? I'm not gonna let him listen to this Yeah, you need you need to be honest with us. So we have a good idea. What do I know? I know thanks guys You know who's the strong? No, his mobility is not great. He um, he travels a lot for work So he's in his vehicle quite a bit. Um, and he has lots of he snowboarded competitively previously and has quite a few injuries from that Um, so it is day-to-day job. He's fairly active, but there's no definitely no focus on mobility or anything like that So he definitely needs to improve in that capacity. All right, so here's the challenge The challenge is going to be finding a routine that is appropriate for him, but you're not going to get bored doing with your background Unfortunately, unfortunately, uh, we're not going to be able to satisfy both. Um, so I'm going to recommend the best program for him You can follow along and take your time and then after he follows you go through that program move to something else But map starter is where I'd start him off if his mobility is lacking. He's never worked out It's the best program to get started with after maps starter Then move to maps anabolic. That would be the next problem. Yeah, see, I don't know I mean, of course we're we are making assumptions right because he's not I'd have to like I feel like I feel like I'm picturing you guys as a couple right now and you don't look like your typical couch potato type of couple right now You got a x crossfit girl 13 years lifting. He was he was he did a lot of injuries though Yeah, okay. So that so we can address mobility stuff But I feel like as athletic background as athletic as he was, you know, and I'm sure he's not Completely the opposite of mass performance. So I like either maps performance or anabolic with mobility component And then she can actually do a lot of that with him Well, if you do maps anabolic you can definitely start in pre phase and that's where I would start you I would not have him start. I agree with that I would not have him start in phase one and then, you know, you're gonna have to you're gonna have to really watch And see how he does because here's my my worry is that you're going to start off on Barbell squats overhead presses. He lacks the mobility He's gonna he's gonna potentially injure himself or start to feel pain And then you have to back off even more and then here's a deal You might lose the momentum of getting him motivated to work out with you So so that's that's the challenge, right? So that's why I said map starter I think it's very safe. He's gonna get gains. He's gonna build muscle on it He's gonna get stronger on it There's a lot of stability involved with map starter Then from there, it's it's not that hard to move forward with maps anabolic Going too fast too, you know, too soon That's gonna take more time to come out of than going too slow going too slow It's fine. There's nothing wrong with going, you know, too slow with the routine So you can do either one, you know, without doing an assessment on your husband You know, it's gonna be hard for us to be more specific. Let's let's do this for her So I tell you this is what we'll do. So, uh, we'll send you over map starter We'll have it already. Oh, okay. Okay. I bought it. I had to use it I used it about two years ago after I had a surgery loved it was great program. Okay, so there we go So, okay, you okay good then that helps us then it so what do you do you see your husband? Will he follow something like that? Would he be okay doing that? Is it I mean, yeah, he would definitely. Um, and the thing is like we're not working I want us to work out like to accomplish a program together But we're not working out at the same time of day because our schedules would conflict and I don't I don't want to be the coach Yeah, that's just that's very wise better for the marriage. Yes. So here's I agree with that 100 too So here's another thing that we'll do for him. So if he'll do this, um, we will give him access for free to our private forum So this will allow this will allow him to let us be the coaches, right? So he can go in there. He has questions about the program He's got any sort of aches and pains going on or something doesn't feel right or he has questions about nutrition That community is perfect for that. He can go in there anytime of the day Leave a question tag one of us. We can help him out. So we'll send it. Well, so you already got starter So you're good there. I'd start with that. Thank you And then you guys could probably progress to anabolic relatively quick after you have access to mass anabolic too, Whitney I don't know and I wanted I have been listening to you guys for ages now And I've been curious. I got starter because I needed it I also got your suspension one love that and then maps anywhere fantastic But I've never because I've come from the Crossfit Olympic and power lifting background. I've always just focused on performance. So you you guys have piqued my interest on Sculpting your body essentially So that's something I've been curious and trying because I've never done that I just always focused on how much lead it wait. I could left. Okay. Well, here's another thing Look earlier the audience doesn't know this but we tried to get on with you and we had lots of technical difficulties So and you had to wait it was a rat's nest you've had to wait for over an hour to get on So I'm going to give you maps and we're going to throw in maps anabolic for free as well. So You guys are too sweet. Thank you That'll be the program that you do after map starter. So after your husband completes map starter Have him start in maps anabolic pre-phase do pre-phase for about three or four weeks Then he can move into phase one and then he's going to have a blast doing that And since you're going you we've piqued your interest in kind of training this way For you, I would run anabolic followed by a stack. Oh, yeah, when you're done with maps anabolic Run anabolic follow it to a tee trust the process And knowing that here I have to warn you okay with your competitive background and and your crossfitting The hardest thing will be the psychological thing and trusting trusting in us That I promise you're gonna it'll serve you well to do drop down to a three day a week full body top of routine Make sure you rest between sets follow it to a tee and then from there Then from there go to aesthetic and you're gonna love what you see Okay, cool. I love that. Awesome. Thanks, Whitney Thanks so much guys. I appreciate it. No problem Yeah, that's great. Um, I like to hear that, you know, and here's a thing like here's a thing that I always consider the most whenever I hear this from a couple Is I consider She's probably tried to talk him into working out of course for a long time So the number one thing that I think about is let's not let's not I don't want to Create any potential roadblocks, which could be oh my hip hurts my knee hurts Oh, I can't do that lift because my mobility So I always tend to err on the side of let's go easier And let him build up momentum and that consistency so that he ends up being consistent long term Well, it's great that he can follow it on his own time and they're not like there I mean because that is kind of a big discrepancy between the two and oh, yeah You know, and so it's like, you know, it could be a little demoralizing where your body currently stands And so to to be able to like take your time, you know ramp your your body back up and get the strength back I think that's gonna be great for him. Yeah, don't don't coach your spouse No, that's a that's a mistake. I mean, especially I mean, she's like a certified badass So this is I mean, that's not no husband's gonna want to get his ass clean, you know inside the gym Left him with his wife. I don't care who you are. I don't care how the the ego kicks in He'll do some stupid. I don't care who you are, you know what I'm saying? Like that doesn't feel good It's right off the bar. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't feel good for any man. So yeah And I agree with you. So I think that uh, you know My concern was him being as athletic as he is Seeing a program that is, you know, stability ball and dumbbells and stuff that he needs to do, you know If he was my client, I'm with you. I would make him, you know, say that I would force him if I saw him and say Hey, we need to do this stuff But I think he can go from starter to into anna ball can be just fine, especially if he dresses mobility Totally look, check this out. 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