 Mr. Depp on April 26, 2015, Jerry Judge is your former security guy who passed away a couple of years ago, right? That's great. He writes to you and says, hi boss, just wanted to say if you and Amber need anything, just let me know. I will be there in 20 minutes. Johnny, it is lovely to see how you and Amber are so happy. The other day watching the two of you sitting on the bench by the sea was fantastic. The two of you need happiness and it is really great to see that. Love to you and Amber, XOXO, Jerry. Did I read that right? You did. And beneath that, you texted him back and you said, thank you, my dear Jerry. Very, very kind, mate. We've been perfect. All I had to do was send the monster away and lock him up. We've been happier than ever. All caps. Love you, brother. JD. Did I read that right? You did, sir. Michelle, could you please pull up exhibit 445 defendants? And in the text that we just saw when you used the word monster, that misheard wasn't on that text message, was she? No, that was between Jerry and myself. Thank you. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so I think the moving of the chair, the swing of the chair, I'm going to call that an adapter. I am going to say that it's repetitive, so I'm going to say it's self soothing. He's self soothing during that. And in fact, during that kind of interlude between one email and the other email or text and the other text, you're going to see him nodding his head like this. That's a self soother as well. It's almost like he's got a song playing in his head at the same time. So if you fancy something to do, you know, rip that out, put a tune with it, put a link to it and, you know, let us know what song you think is maybe going through John his head at that point. But there's a self soother going on there. I don't quite know why Chase. What do you think? I think it's probably Metallica, but I'm not sure the next song. So when he says the monster, I'm going to go full blown Bowden on you guys. Oh, nice. Thank you. The definition of monster is a creature affected with a birth defect, malformed animal. And it's the French derivative of this is demonstration, which means to indicate or show it to people, which is a lot more evidence here of him using this dissociative language technique or this dissociative language tendency, I should say, there is no monster in there. And even people with multiple personality disorder, dissociative identity disorder, there's one human like there aren't two humans inside of that brain. So it's a dissociative capacity of the brain. I'm not saying he has any kind of disorder here with with dissociative symptoms there, but that's common in his language. And I think it's common in some of you see in a lot of actors and I will throw the caveat here. The only reason I knew the definition of monster is from an eighth grade report that I had to write. Scott, what do you hear? All right. That sounds good. All right. Well, I agree. The mark that that whole chair thing is that's an adapter. It's a self soothing thing. But the glasses look a little bit odd, but there's reading glasses and he puts them on when he has to read something or he's asked to read something or he's asked to read. And he's under control, but he squints up a little bit because he's got to be on guard for the questions he's being asked. Again, this is this is most cases where as he's being asked these questions and everything seems all calm and smooth. That's when they hit you with a zinger and you got to be ready for it. I think he's ready for it. And the monster he's talking about here, I agree with you. It's that this is what happens when he's been drinking and all that stuff. He turned. I think he's, you know, artistically turns into the monster. That's what he that's what he calls himself when he starts doing that. We're seeing actually some patients right now. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So we're seeing some anger here a little bit. Not a whole lot, but we're seeing it sneak up in there. So and not a lot of derivation from other expressions or, you know, not a lot of coming out of that into a lot of the stuff. He's pretty stable in this thing all the way through. Greg, what do you got? Yeah. Pretty much the same thing. His eyes are down right here because he's looking at a monitor. Those glasses are blue blocking light things. So they're weird shade. No big deal. He's this is the first cross we've seen across examinees. So his lips are drawing narrow. He doesn't look the same. He doesn't look as relaxed. He's kind of lean forward. He's adapting to your point mark with the nodding and all of that. You can see his discomfort. The smirk right here in my opinion is this is recognition. It's not good for him. It leads me to believe every time I see him do this smirk that it might have been a defense mechanism. He's had his whole life. You know, I know he had a rough life. He went through a lot of stuff in school. His mom was abusive and that smirk might be and that sarcastic personality he has might be his defense against all of that and it just bleeds out, but you can see when things are not going well for him, it's going to do that and you can see he's doing there. I'll call this the swivel rate because we'll see the swivel rate increase as he comes up and Chase and I can mimic him as things go. That's what I got. All right. Mr. Depp on April 26, 2015, Jerry Judge, and Jerry Judge is your former security guy who passed away a couple of years ago, right? That's good. He writes to you and says, hi, boss. Just wanted to say if you and Amber need anything, just let me know. I will be there in 20 minutes. Johnny it is lovely to see how you and Amber are so happy. The other day watching the two of you sitting on the bench by the sea was fantastic. The two of you need happiness and it is really great to see that. Love to you and Amber XOXO, Jerry. Did I read that right? You did. And beneath that, you texted him back and you said, thank you, my dear Jerry. Very, very kind, mate. We've been perfect. All I had to do was send the monster away and lock him up. We've been happier than ever. All caps. Love you, brother. JD. Did I read that right? You did, sir. Michelle, could you please pull up exhibit 445, defendants? And in the text that we just saw, when you used the word monster, that misheard wasn't on that text message, was she? No, that was between Jerry and myself. Thank you. And on May 14, 2015, you blow up that text, Michelle, please. You texted Mr. Duters, need to discuss the news helicopters hovering outside the house this morning. I'm ready to shoot. But don't worry, the monster is not involved. Correct? That's, I see that, yes. And misheard wasn't on that text, was she? No. Pull up exhibit 196, please. This on page two, please. Chase, what do you got? I'm going to ride this association train a little bit further down the track, but I'm going to promise I'm going to get off here, give or take. There's more indication that there's some separation between himself and the monster. And this isn't indicative of any kind of disorder by itself. In some cases where there's a lot of dissociation and there's some severe dissociation, the denials of crimes appear 100% truthful that they did not commit that crime. Because in their mind, they didn't. It was some other entity or some other thing that committed that crime. So it's something to watch out for, but I don't think his dissociation is, is that bad. If this was the case, which I don't believe that didn't do anything harmful to Amber at all. It would have been the monster had had anything actually happened, which I don't think it did. Scott. Again, his attorney is focusing on the monster. That's what their big play is in this, to create this monster in everyone's mind to think when he starts drinking and he does it all the time, he becomes this really bad guy. He's fairly still. His lips are pursed. And this doesn't indicate that he doesn't agree, but you can tell he doesn't agree with what's going on there. That's when you see lips pursed, you usually think, ah, that's indication that there's an issue there. And in this case, I think he doesn't agree with what's going on. Amber's in the middle of something else. She's not paying attention, much attention to anything, but I think she's focused on something else. Greg, what do you got? Yeah. I think Amber Heard is doing something specific. I think she saw something she wanted to make a note about. She writes the note, chants it over, and there's a little bit of, to her when she does it. It's a little bit of self-justified looking thing. I wrote, if we only had somebody who could read handwriting from here, we'd be okay. But he had just his coat in either an adapter, a berry, or a combination. Because when they talk about the monster, what they're really saying is Amber Heard said, well, if you didn't drink, if you didn't have this monster, if you didn't turn into this bad guy when you do this to him, have this monkey on your back, whatever it is, it's an excuse. It's an excuse for bad behavior when you're drinking it or whatever, or something she doesn't, who knows what's going on. But the volatility is caused by some combination of chemistry between the two of them, and that creates some kind of chaos. And they're referring it to it as a monster. And what this guy's trying to do is to get him to admit the monster is real, because they're going to use some other verbiage later that's going to paint him into a corner. Now, we all know that there's a whole discovery process when you're going to trial. So all this stuff is not new. He knows a whole bunch of stuff is going to be introduced. And he's getting backed into a corner. And you can see he's getting more focused. His mouth is narrow. And we associate that with discomfort or anger. And his eyes are focused on the guy and locked down. Big difference from what we saw earlier, that adapter, all of that. He knows that they're painting him into a corner with this language. And he's going to have to come out and defend it somehow. Mark, what do you got? Yep. So I'm just going to take this opportunity to talk about what they're both wearing, because as I've seen on the media, that seems to have been quite an important thing for people. A lot of focus on he wore a tie with a bee on it. And then she wore something with a bee on it. And that might have been important. Maybe it is important. That mirroring could be important. Of course, the bee is emblematic of royalty, of the monarch, the single bee ruling over the hive. Absolutely. Actually, maybe we'll come to that, who is king of the court a little later on. But let's have a look, first of all, at the way herd is dressed. She's got that white shirt with the top button done up, but no kind of neckpiece on there. I am dark, dark suit on. I think that's in order to come across as relatively conservative, if not puritanical. That drinking, drugs would be a very, very bad thing. It almost looks kind of amish or Hasidic. Though, unfortunately, from my point of view, when you show up in court and you have your top button done up and no tie, it means you've had your necktie taken away from you for very important reasons. And I've, I've, yeah, so, so never I would never advise anybody to turn up to court like that. But maybe it's different in the UK and in Canada. Certainly, yeah, it's a very bad sign when you've had your necktie taken away from you and you're in front of the judge. But equally so, depth scraped back hair. So he hasn't got any of that Captain Jack Sparrow floppiness around him. He's got a tie on. He's suited up. There's not too much extraneous kind of wear around his, his, his, his wrists there, only a few rings. So he's really, really toned it down. This is certainly not the pirate king showing up for this. So everybody playing relatively quite a conservative look here. And on May 14th, 2015, you blow up that text, Michelle, please. You texted Mr. Duters need to discuss the news helicopters hovering outside the house this morning. I'm ready to shoot. But don't worry, the monster is not involved. Correct? That's, I see that, yes. And Miss Hurd wasn't on that text, was she? No. Pull up exhibit 196, please. This is on page two, please. So we talked about the cocaine and the ecstasy. Let's talk about the, the, the, the ultra argument, altercation that you and Miss Hurd had in Australia. You, you, you testified that you were sitting on a bar stool, right? In Australia, this is what we were. So you're fast forwarding to the, the end of the, of that argument? Yeah, we've, we've heard, we've heard your account of the argument. And the jury will hear Miss Hurd's account of the argument. What I want to ask you some specific questions about you, you're sitting on a bar stool, you've had three or four, I think you said three shots of vodka. I did two or three shots of vodka, yes. And you're resting with your hands kind of hanging over the edge like that, right? Well, after the first bottle whizzed past my head and shattered, as I said, I walked around the bar, grabbed the larger, it was another bottle of vodka, the only one there. The larger bottle brought it back and poured another shot and did it. And right. And that, that was a, like a, what we call a handle of vodka. Is that right? Well, yeah, it's one of the larger bottles with the, it's got a handle on it. Right. And it was, it was full at the time other than the shot that you poured. No, it wasn't, it wasn't a full bottle. Okay. And, and, and at some point before you, you claim you sustained an injury to your finger. You were, I believe you demonstrated to the jury yesterday, but you were resting with your three fingers, your middle three fingers kind of hanging over the edge. Is that, is that fair? Is that right? Yes, I just had a bottle thrown at me. So I was, once you grabbed the second bottle. Right. I'm just asking where your fingers were, sir. At that point, your fingers were, your palm was facing down and your three middle fingers were hanging over the edge of the bar. Correct? Basically. That's correct. Hi, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, again, we're seeing, because he's in cross, he's leaned in more. His mouth is narrow. His focus is hard. His eyes are making good, hard contact. And the way he didn't, when he was in direct, because he now has a threat and we're have a threat, we're going to take in more data. I can't see his pupils, but just about guarantee his pupils are dilated. We can see a little respiration up for a change in him, which we haven't seen to date. His head goes down to the right. And then his forehead's up at hold on. Are you fast forwarding? You can see he's trying to say, hold on, there's more to this than you're giving me. And then he starts to nod on the intake as he's picking up what the guy's asking makes hard eye contact. Once again, his blink rate goes really fast as he gets threat recognition. He drops his chin back to doing what he usually does. And he does that quick nod as he makes hard eye contact with someone. And Mark, I think you brought it up earlier. I think who he's making hard eye contact with is the jury. He's playing to the audience. Again, doesn't mean he's lying. Means he knows where he should be focusing. Then he illustrates with his forehead up, goes back into some concentration around all the questions they're asking. And then he has one brow rise again, meaning something's emphatic to him as he's talking about having the bottle thrown at him. He swivels, his brow drops and furrows. You can see the stress is rising. This is giving him a reason. His speech is even faster, if you notice. You can see these got some fight or flight here. That slow, droning speech pattern he had before is gone. So now you can tell that he's in cross instead of direct. Chase, what do you got? Yeah, I don't have much here. There is some interesting stuff going on with the eye contact that he's showing as well. The second step and one thing that maybe a lot of us do, I definitely teach people is we're showing less respect and helping the jury to understand the level of respect that this person deserves through the eyes of the witness. And this is a great example of just a witness telling the truth, how they should be telling the truth, how we would teach them or help them to tell the truth on the stand. He's unrushed, comfortable, ensuring that the memory is told as he recalls it, not how he is instructed to recall it by the attorney. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so I agree, Greg, playing the audience with this idea of the three shots. Yeah, I had three, three shots. I think, as you were saying before, Greg, there's an edge of sarcasm to that. And and yeah, he is, I think, trying to indicate to the jury that that this is slightly puritanical of the the the lawyer here to to to be to think is extreme to have two or three shots. It's not a big thing. Well, it's really interesting for me. He says and and I did it. Not I I drank it. I did it. So this idea of drinking is a very definite action. It's a big statement, something that he does. It's a big statement. And then we get the story of her taking control of that bottle and then delivering it. Maybe accidentally, who knows how good her aim is. But in the story, delivering it to his drinking hand and cutting off his drinking hand. So there seems to be a narrative here, a story here of him control of of somebody needing to be in control of the drinking hand and maybe in control of the monster. Is this whole battle around who controls that monster and who can summon it and who can calm it down or say that it can't appear? Because my guess is for the for the addict, for the alcoholic, there is a certain comfort in the monster always being able to come along. Though there's pain involved, there is some kind of control there going on. Anyway, this is just speculation. I just put it forward as that's the kind of thing my brain gets interested in at this point. Scott, what do you go on this one? All right, well, he's on high alert as this attorney is trying to get him all worked up and he knows that's what's going on. So he plays it. I think he plays it really well. And we see anger in his facial expression. It's you've got flair nostrils, the shallow breathing and the purse lips. Again, his shoulders are inward just a little bit in protection mode. And his cadence is a little fast. And his answers are short compared to the way they've been before. The the pauses are there, but they're not not quite as trying to draw in as hard, I think, at this point. And his gaze is focused on threat, which is the attorney. So that's what I got. So we talked about the cocaine and the ecstasy. Let's talk about the the the alter argument, altercation that you and misheard had in Australia. You you you testified that you were sitting on a bar stool, right? In Australia, this is what you're so you're fast forwarding to the the end of the of that argument. Yeah, we've we've heard we've heard your account of the argument and the jury will hear misheard the account of the argument. What I want to ask you some specific questions about you. You're sitting on a bar stool. You've had three or four. I think you said three shots of vodka. I did two or three shots of vodka. Yes, and you're resting with your hands kind of hanging over the edge like that, right? Well, after the first bottle whizzed past my head and shattered. As I said, I walked around the bar, grabbed the larger was another bottle of vodka, the only one there. The larger bottle brought it back and poured another shot. And did it and right. And that that was like a what we call a handle of vodka. Is that right? Well, yes, one of the larger bottles with the it's got a handle on it. Right. And it was it was full at the time other than the shot that you poured. No, it wasn't. It wasn't a full bottle. OK. And and at some point before you claim you sustained an injury to your finger, you were I believe you demonstrated to the jury yesterday, but you were resting with your three fingers, your middle three fingers kind of hanging over the edge. Is that is that fair? Is that right? Yes, I just had a bottle thrown at me. So I was once you grabbed the second bottle. Right. I'm just asking where your fingers were, sir, at that point. Your fingers were your palm was facing down and your three middle fingers were hanging over the edge of the bar. Correct. Basically, that's correct. Miss Amber was seven to ten feet away. Correct. Once she walked. Yes, once she'd grabbed the ball. Yes. OK. And your testimony and we've we've heard it yesterday, but your testimony is that somehow she wound up with this handle of vodka and and through it and it it it it damaged part of your middle finger. But what we didn't talk about and what I want to ask you about is it didn't. If it happened the way you said, it didn't didn't damage any other part of your hand. Correct. No other part of your fingers. No none of the other middle fingers that were hanging over the edge of the bar were injured action compound. We can take it piece by piece. None of the none of the three fingers that were hanging over the edge of the bar were sustained any injury other than your middle finger is correct. The middle finger certainly took the brunt of it as the tip and there's cut off. There's no there's no record of any glass being found in that middle finger. Correct. Objection calls for speculation. I'm I'm I'll allow you to answer. I'm I'm not a doctor and I'm not sure what was found in the middle finger. What I do know is that when I went to the emergency room that they and they had to inject me with a block to be able to put it into a bucket and and take a wire brush to to scrub it all clean because I had all the makeup still left from pirates on there and make up for parts. OK, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so just a little kind of piece of body language repertoire here for you. His lips purse. So that's like a drawstring purse forward. Like it doesn't do it that big. I'm just demonstrating for you on seven to 10 feet. Pursing of lips will tend to mean there are no absolutes, but it tends to mean disagreement or there's an alternative or there are some parameters that should be put around this. So we see the purse of the lips and lo and behold, he says once she got the bottle. So he puts a parameter around it in order to be able to agree. So just nice bit of repertoire for you there to look out for in other situations. And then, of course, what I really like is tip cut off. He plays to the jury. He knows that he's not trying to convince the lawyer here. He needs to convince the jury. They're the people with the most power. Now, what can often happen in this situation because the lawyer can be annoying or or feel very authoritative is you as the person in the stand, start playing to the lawyer and making them one of the main people in this tale, when really the power is over with the jury and you need to be making sure they're getting the story. They're being convinced, not the lawyer in front of you. They have a whole different agenda, which is they're either not on your side or they're very much on your side. Chase, what do you think on this one? Yeah, let me just give you a few tips while you're watching this. Never ever let somebody recap testimony and repackage it ever. And this is what was attempted here. If you listen closely, this attorney rebuilds the story for the people present in the courtroom. And when you're forced into these closed into questions, I would be very careful, be even more careful if someone summarizes or omits information and then simply ask you a yes or no question. Answer how you want to and provide the details relevant if you're ever in the situation. The lawyer also does a tactic here called covert recapping. When he when he just says all of the story by the hand and then he says, yeah, they had to wash off the makeup from pirates. So the lawyer recaps the entire story with the makeup from pirates to make it sound almost ridiculous. And this is a technique you see pretty often in well trained attorneys to trick people. And here are the steps really quickly. A person tells a story, you recap it with only a few keywords and make it sound pretty silly. Then we're triggering something called the recency effect, making the jury or the court more likely to remember that detail when they're recalling that testimony in the future. So never let that happen. That's all I got. I'll just leave it with the bro to Scott. Yeah, that's all I agree. Yeah, but you know what? I think he I don't think he did a very good job of that. I don't think he did a very good job of all that. I guess getting on my last nerve. He's he's he's coming on like he's got it figured out, but I don't think he's doing a very good job of that at all. So anyway, Johnny Depp's blink rate is way up compared to to everything else we've seen so far. His cadence is faster and his diction is clean and it's on point. You can understand everything. He's got incredible and get out. Greg's going to talk about this, but he's got incredible engagement in his forehead muscles, like a labella shows concern and so many of your reactions moving in from one to another as it goes. It's like this flow that Greg was talking about earlier. It's really, really cool to see. And he's been animated physically as this is a gory story and it's a painful memory. So it makes sense that he would he would be doing that. His breathing rate should I in my opinion, should be a little bit higher than it is to make a definitive decision about whether he's actually having an Olympic reaction to all that. But his jacket's kind of loose and kind of big and so is that shirt. So it's it's kind of tough to make a call on that. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, he starts off with a little bit of what I would refer to. Some of that's lip piercing, some of its concentration mouth. You know, we move our mouth as we're thinking and trying to internalize things. He does his swivel rate increases dramatically. He's moving around a lot, if you notice in that chair and his blink rate increases. Scott, you're right. He's got a lot of forehead involvement at the right times, trying to drive his point. He does what what is referred what I refer to as his baseline. He does the search for change. He does a lot of forehead movement. He looks and he makes hard eye contact to your point mark right at the jury, right at the right people at cut off. It's on my list of things. He illustrates what happens very clearly with his forehead. His he uses his forehead to illustrate the hell of a lot. And then the interesting piece is he takes a little bit of holy ground as he gets to I had makeup on my hands from pirates, because let's face it, that's about as ubiquitous as maybe not anything religious, but anything in American culture. Everybody knows what pirates is. So he takes a little bit of holy ground, but he also looks a little bit nervous and does a downright glance with some emotion at that point. And I think we'll see why coming up. That's all I'll cover. Miss Amber was seven to ten feet away. Correct? Once she walked, yes, once she grabbed the ball, yes. OK. And your testimony and we've we've heard it yesterday, but your testimony is that somehow she wound up with this handle of vodka and and through it and it it it it damaged part of your middle finger. But what we didn't talk about what I want to ask you about is it didn't if it happened the way you said, it didn't didn't damage any other part of your hand, correct? No other part of your fingers. No none of the other middle fingers that were hanging over the edge of the bar were injured action compound. We can take it piece by piece. None of the none of the three fingers that were hanging over the edge of the bar were sustained to any injury other than your middle finger is correct. The middle finger certainly took the brunt of it as the tip and there's cut off. There's no there's no record of any glass being found in that middle finger. Correct? Objection calls for speculation. I'm I'm allowed to pick an answer. I'm I'm I'm not a doctor and I'm not sure what was found in the middle finger. What I do know is that when I went to the emergency room that they and they had to inject me with a block to be able to put it into a bucket and and take a wire brush to to scrub it all clean because I had all the makeup still left from pirates on there and make up for pirates. OK, a second, but neither of none of the other fingers on your hand were sustained any injury that you're aware of, correct? No, they were doing nothing else was separate. And in fact, it wasn't just makeup from pirates that was on your hand. It was paint that you had dipped your middle finger into to write along with blood to write on mirrors and lamps and assorted furniture in the house, correct? Objection compound. All right, I'll sustain as the compound. If there was it wasn't just makeup. You testified yesterday that it was just makeup from the set of Pirates Five. But in fact, after you sustained an injury to your finger, you dipped it in paint in the house and you wrote in paint mixed with blood all over the place. Objection compound, I'll sustain the objection. You dipped your finger in paint in the house and wrote on objects in the house. Objection compound. I'll sustain the objection. You dipped your finger in paint after suffering an injury. Yes. And then you use that finger to write on objects in the house. Yes or no? Yes, that was after I'd after writing on the walls, the blood had kind of dried as it were. And so I stuck my finger into a kind of paint and also, excuse me, mineral spirits to to my verbal messages on to the wall. And you use your you use your finger as a paintbrush, right? Essentially, yes. And Chase, what do you got? I don't have much here. There is a tiny little concealed smile on Amber during this. And the times that you see her smile throughout this nine hour thing is during his being beaten by questions or something or being embarrassed. And most of it is him being embarrassed. Anytime something is embarrassing, she she enjoys the the destruction of this human being. And that's the time we're seeing her all smile. I'll leave I'll leave it up to you guys. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, I totally agree. He is he knows that this is antisocial behavior. This is extreme behavior when you use your bodily fluids to express yourself on walls. It's generally considered as, you know, in most societies that I've ever come across as antisocial behavior. He knows this. This is beyond the usual or certain part of the chaos and the madness that in part he really wants to inhabit because it has a a bironic romance to it. At the same time, it's totally antisocial and she loves, I think because she she tries to hang her head in shame as well, that this has occurred, you know, in she's seen this happen. It's awful that this has happened in front of her. And then we see that little smile, easy to detect there. So there is disdain and disgust that Johnny shows around this action that he's done. I mean, just to show you that this is not normal behavior. Last summer, I cut off the top of my thumb or part and didn't cut it off completely, but gouged a massive, massive gash in it with a chisel. And and there was blood everywhere. I mean, you'll love this, Scott. Yeah, I know you love these kinds of kinds of stories. And and I was super upset with myself. I was I was lividly annoyed with myself because it is a rookie mistake. You never chisel towards your your hands. I mean, it's just it's basic, it's fundamental. I was so annoyed with myself. But at no point did I walk into my home and write messages to myself on the wall, what an idiot I was. And then even if I had run out of blood, I wouldn't have then got some paint and started to, you know, do it some more. When I tell you that story, you realize it's bizarre and outlandish. And that's exactly what is done. It's extreme. Greg, what are your Greg? What are your thoughts on this? So this may be one of my favorites to the whole thing. He starts off by looking and, Mark, I live on a farm. My hands always have nicks and cuts. I guess I should start painting messages on the barn to keep people away. Right. No, no, not to come to my place. Yeah, but he starts off looking down left, down right. Like, where's this going? And then he stammers. We all we always talk about cadence and stammering as mattering. In this case, it doesn't because this is baseline. He goes, no, no. And then he makes hard eye contact with his head shaking. That's what he does. Go watch every interview with every talk show and you'll see that. But watch him do a stiffen net transition and a head roll when it gets to that paint thing, where did you stick your finger in paint? And he goes in his mouth goes and he's going to say something. And here's why you need an attorney when an interrogator gets you because you hear that attorney step in and go objection, objection, objection. They're going to do that at every turn with an interrogation. So if you get arrested, they're your rescuer and you hear her rescuing him left and right. But what happens then is he swivels pretty hard. She rescues him. His respiration, his blink rate and his swivel rate are all through the roof and his face has shrunk. Now, if you go look at him in the beginning where his face looks wider, his face is now very narrow as all of his his mouth is drawn in tight and he's pursing his lips and you stress it. And then you see you dipped your finger in paint that you're cut tip off your finger. And he inhales, drops down to a motion, has a quick bolt of his eyes to the threat. And I see Andrew in him as he tries to explain the unexplainable as he kind of does some weird head roll and he is trying to figure out how do I figure out a non-crazy way to explain this? And it's just a bunch of chaff and redirect and garbage running down the way. There is no way he is going to explain this in a way that makes him look good. And he should just stop. I would have just said, look, no, I did something crazy. I can't tell you why I told you I had a nervous breakdown. Instead, he tries to rationalize something that's not rational. And if you did anything so far in this that makes him look really bad, it's there. When he says dried, as it were, is when he looks like dried, as it were, like a Andrew kind of move. And then I see her, I have one note, Chase, a smug C, that little smile is at C. I told you he's crazy. I think she wins in that spot. That's all I got. All right. And this is, yeah, that's OK. And this section is his blink rate is as high as it's been so far in all these videos. And obviously that indicates stress. And especially for this situation where you're being cross-examined with somebody like that, that's going to happen to you. And he still takes time to think before he's answering. But keep in mind, that doesn't mean that he's being deceptive. It goes back to what we've been talking about before. He's thinking about the structure of his answers. He wants everything to be good, everything to be perfect and sound the way he wants it to sound. Some people are going to think he's pausing because he's being deceptive. I'm not seeing anything deceptive in here at all, not even a little bit. Amber looks like she's reading text or something. And again, that's not an emotional downward gaze. I don't think I think she's just texting or maybe she's not texting because you can't do that in court. She's probably writing something or reading something there. So that's what it looks like to me. All right, be good. Yeah, a second. But neither of none of the other fingers on your hand were sustained any injury that you're aware of, correct? No, there were nothing else was severed. And in fact, it wasn't just makeup from pirates that was on your hand. It was paint that you had dipped your middle finger into to write along with blood to write on mirrors and lamps and assorted furniture in the house, correct? Objection compound. All right, I'll sustain it as a compound. If there was it wasn't just makeup, you testified yesterday that it was just makeup from the set of Pirates 5. But in fact, after you sustained an injury to your finger, you dipped it in paint in the house and you wrote in paint mixed with blood all over the place. Objection compound. I'll sustain the objection. You dipped your finger in paint in the house and wrote on objects in the house. Objection compound. I'll sustain the objection. You dipped your finger in paint after suffering an injury. Yes. And then you use that finger to write on objects in the house. Yes or no? Yes, that was after I'd after writing on the walls of the blood had kind of dried as it were and so I stuck my finger into a can of paint and also, excuse me, mineral spirits to to put my verbal messages onto the wall. And you used your fingers a paintbrush, right? Essentially, yes. And now, Mr. Depp, we're going to we're going to take a look at some pictures shortly, but you'd agree with me that there was quite a bit of damage to the house in Australia after this incident, correct? There was there was quite a bit of damage to the house during the the entire incident. And you don't remember the television breaking, do you? I remember there was a. I believe there's a coffee cup stuck into the screen or a plate or something like that. And you don't remember the window breaking, do you? Window breaking. But you do remember that there's quite a lot of blood everywhere, including on floors and sofas. Well, I'd noticed that's how I'd noticed that I was leaking. There was heat in my finger and it was I felt this warmth and this liquid and then I noticed that the tip of my finger was gone. And at that point, I think I went into some sort of shock or whatever is closest to a kind of nervous breakdown. Yeah, you testified that breakdown. It's you could have also defaced a painting by drawing a penis on it, didn't you? I've never I don't know about that. I don't remember penis on a painting. Given the state you were in, it's entirely possible that you did that, even if you don't remember it to this day. Correct? Drawing a penis on a painting was not the first thing on my mind. Let's have messages. To write reminders that were from his heart. Chase, what do you got? I'm just going to go through a couple of these leading questions. You don't remember the TV breaking, do you? You don't remember the window breaking? You do remember blood everywhere. Then very, very. I don't know. I don't want to say cleverly, because I don't think this is a very good job at a depot. But he says he changed. Depp says nervous breakdown, and he covert recaps it to the word breakdown. So that's what it's not a nervous breakdown, because that implies there's some psychology there. There's just a breakdown that's an unstable person. So I think that's maybe deliberate. And then this you could have also defaced a painting. Is it possible you don't remember anything to this day? These leading questions can make an attorney can do good for Depp, because it makes the attorney appear to be hostile to the jury, to the courtroom. And it's really working that way. Like you just watched this video and you hate this guy. He's horrible. But the only time again, we're seeing Amber smiling is during the demise or the embarrassment of Depp. And if you look at all of these smiling about injury that that Johnny Depp has been doing so far and look at all of the stuff that he's doing every time he gets angry, he's focusing the anger on himself, everything. So like I was talking to somebody today and they're like, no, it's not always on himself. He destroyed the kitchen cabinets and stuff. And like those were his kitchen cabinets. That's self. He's focused on self, his own property. There's kind of an inward focus, destruction and anger. He won't even go see his own movies. So I think that this speaks to his view of just not having much of a much of a buy in for himself. Greg, what do you think? Yeah, I'm going to be short on this one, but he's back to the narrative. He's trying to tell the story when he's asked a couple of questions. He avoids the questions. He actually chaffs and redirects a bit. He just kind of spills out words that have nothing to do with the question to avoid the answer. His blank rate is up through the roof. He's rationalizing, trying to say, look, I had this nervous break. Now, that's a rational enough reason you could easily say, I don't remember because I was so out of it as a result of shock, shock alone. If you've ever had like neurogenic shock or that kind of thing, you know that you don't necessarily remember, I drill through my thumb one time and never forget it. I was like, I don't feel so good and blood's going everywhere. And it was the first time I've ever been in a place where my army training helped and I put my feet up and didn't pass out. It was one of those kinds of things, but it was pretty horrible. It sucked. So he could have said, hey, you know, look, I was I was not thinking, but he didn't. He kind of stammers. He does something. His cadence stops. It doesn't stammer. No, no, no, no, it stops. Boom, boom, boom, as he navigates his way through it. So I think he probably has some shadowy memory of all the chaos that was going on, and that would probably be appropriate. Now, if we assume that he has taken no drugs and he said three shots of vodka, this is a hell of a tear for three shots of vodka to go through and do all this. So Scott, I might answer your question from earlier, you know. No, yeah, Mark, what are you being? Yeah, I will look lots, lots of great stuff here. I just love the idea that a TV with a with a teacup coming out of it isn't broken. That's I mean, that is just straight, you know, straight out of Hunter S. Thompson, that's a real fear and loathing idea. I mean, that's fantastic. I don't remember a window breaking and we see her do an eye block. She shades her eyes. I don't know why, but I'd be interested in that. I'd be interested in what happened there. What does she think happened there? I don't know why she eye blocks on that nervous breakdown. He directs to the jury. So he knows that that story of nervous breakdown is is one I think that could play well with the jury. And I think, yeah, the the the the lawyer here is a real pain, but that's the lawyer's job, really, to get the rise out of him and see if he can get him aggressive and obnoxious. And this monster might come out in the middle of the middle of this whole piece of theatre. But I think the lawyer notices here that he's playing that really quite well to the to the jury there. I think I see her smiles throughout this. I I think or maybe I'd like to think that I think she just thinks it's very, very funny. It's just hard not to laugh at it is genuinely humorous what the lawyer comes up with, that, you know, did you paint a picture of a penis on the on the artwork? It's just it's not expected. It's completely obscure and bizarre and out there. And and I wonder whether she truly finds that amusing. I don't know whether she does, but I'd like to think so. I certainly see an eyebrow raise or some eyebrows there of of confusion and then amusement at one point as well. Yeah, it is it is quite nicely starting to descend into the kind of chaos that I know Johnny Depp seeks. That that's that's a brand that he that he truly, truly wants and enjoys that feeling that he could be at that Hunter S. Thompson level and and undoubtedly is he's one of the one of the great Hellraisers out there truly. So so yeah, great great story. Scott, yeah, Scott, what have you got? Yeah, I think you're right. I think this just proves my theory that he'd be one hell of a hang on the long weekend. Yeah, it is a place that they'd be a place to be. Apparently, if you're trying to get stuff off your mind. So since you guys covered everything about him, I'll focus on Amber. She's behaving differently here than she has anywhere else in all these videos. Her chain is up and she's almost looking down her nose at him like people do when they're affirming something. And as I said, I think she's doing this to let him know that she knows what what he's saying is true, what the attorney is saying is true. And she's almost looks like a hype man back there. Every time he says something, she's like, yeah, she's not that quite that demonstrative with it. But that's the feeling I got. She was she was just saying, yeah, he's right. You know, he's right. All this is true. So it's probably true. You know, the way things sound. Who knows? Up to this point, it's what it sounds like happened to me. And our chin is is is way up at this point compared to the way it's been up so far. So that shows. I think she's feeling pretty good about what's going on right there. All right, that's all I got on that one. Now, Mr. Depp, we're going to we're going to take a look at some pictures shortly, but you'd agree with me that there was quite a bit of damage to the house in Australia after this incident, correct? There was there was quite a bit of damage to the house during the. The entire incident. And you don't remember the television breaking, do you? I remember there was a. I believe there's a coffee cup stuck into the screen or a plate or something like that. And you don't remember the window breaking, do you? I don't remember a window breaking, but you do remember that there's quite a lot of blood everywhere, including on floors and sofas. Well, I'd noticed that's how it noticed that I was leaking. There was heat in my finger and it was I felt this warmth and this liquid. And then I noticed that the tip of my finger was gone. And at that point, I think I went into some sort of shock or whatever is closest to a kind of nervous breakdown. Yeah, you testified that breakdown. It's you could have also defaced a painting. By drawing a penis on it, didn't you? I've never I don't know about that. I don't remember it's penis on a painting given the state you were in. It's entirely possible that you did that, even if you don't remember it to this day. Correct? Drawing a penis on a painting was not the first thing on my mind. Let's let's have messages. To write reminders that were from its heart. But you testified yesterday that you told Dr. Kipper that Ms. Hurd had, in fact, been responsible for your finger injury. Do you remember giving that testimony? Yes. But in fact, in subsequent communications to Dr. Kipper, you referenced more than once that you chopped off your own finger to Dr. Kipper. Correct? I think the key word is chopped off my own finger. When you say to someone, I've chopped my I've chopped my finger off. That's just going straight to the fact you don't get into. She did this, I did that. This my finger, my finger has been chopped off. Let's take a look at exhibit three ninety eight, please. All right, Greg, what do you got? Going to be very short here. There's not a lot in this video. He gets into a semantic discussion. I agree with it, happened to agree with him. I cut my finger off. You know, months later, I may say, yeah, cut my finger off. There's sarcasm, sarcasm and some smart assery in here. And if this weren't court, I bet it would be you would get the best of his wit and all that stuff that goes with it. It's just he can't do it in court. Chase, what do you got? Yeah, so just consider this for just a moment. If you broke your arm, how would you tell your friends? I broke my arm. You got into a car crash. What would you say? I got into an accident. If you sprained your ankle, you wouldn't say I was fouled in basketball and Jimmy sprained my ankle. You just say I sprained my ankle. So that's I think what was there. There's more leading questions and it's becoming a little bit more hostile. I think this is great and it's it's for depth. It's gaining more sympathy in the courtroom. And there's just some socializing with the I.U. Shift in the pronouns here. And I think his short laugh is actually going to be pretty persuasive in contrast to the hostility of the attorney questioning him. So that's winning a lot of points with the jury, Scott. Yeah, I agree with you. You don't get into the intricacies of how something happened when you're in the middle of getting it fixed at the very beginning. There were you go, what happened? Well, you say I cut my finger off or you're or I sprained my ankle, broke my arm, whatever it is, nailed that. It's flared nostrils. Let us know he's on high alert and his anger is growing as we see as we see this go along. This is the first time we actually see the real Johnny Depp here, I think. So from all the other, the persona at this point is gone and he's and he's talking for himself. I think he feels confident enough at this point to start doing that. Quite often you'll see somebody like this, who they'll try to stay in their persona. It seems weird and everything. But at this point, he's put that aside and he's being him. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, I agree. He's under a lot more pressure now. So we're seeing more of him. We see that from the little adapter on the mic there. He I don't think he's done that before. Certainly if he's done it before, it's because again, it's ramping up with the stress. There's no reason for that adapter. He knows where the mic is. He knows the strength of his voice. So that stress, that's anxiety happening there. Mirroring back with that lawyer, he's now playing with the lawyer using the word fact when the lawyer uses the word fact and in fact. So he's now mirroring that lawyer. And there's a bit of competition around that. I think the laughter there is again, that laughter of absurdity. And again, I think that's the true Johnny Depp going, how do I know what to say when my fingers been cut off? You say whatever you say at the time. And then you can't believe that he's talking about what one says when one's finger is cut off. Who who legislates for that? Who arranges beforehand? By the way, when your finger gets cut off, here's the way you should talk about it. No parent ever gives you that talk. No caregiver gives you the instructions of how to talk about it. So you just do what you do in the in the bizarre circumstance. And I think he's laughing at this is a truly absurd, bizarre circumstance. It's an unusual circumstance and an unusual that I'm having to deconstruct it in front of people right now. But that's that's court. You testified yesterday that you told Dr. Kipper that Miss Herd had, in fact, been responsible for your finger injury. Do you remember giving that testimony? Yes. But in fact, in subsequent communications to Dr. Kipper, you referenced more than once that you chopped off your own finger to Dr. Kipper, correct? I think the key word is chopped off my own finger. When you say to someone, I've chopped my I've chopped my finger off. Um, that's just going straight to the fact. You don't get into, um, she did this. I did that. This my finger, my finger's been chopped off. Let's take a look at exhibit 398, please. Why are you talking about Australia? The day that we're talking about Australia. OK, yeah. You hear that? And you said the day I chopped my finger off. Let's let's play it again. Let's begin. Thank you. I don't know. I'm talking about Australia. The day that I chopped my finger off. OK. Are you sure that's. Yeah, let's do it one more time. What I'm saying was that the day that I got my finger chopped off. No, I know you say the day that I chopped my finger off. So let's play it one more time, because I think I left out the word that it says the day that I chopped my finger off. Hi, you're talking about, I don't know. I'm talking about Australia. The day that I chopped my finger off. No, we're talking about Australia. OK. I'm not so sure. In fact, earlier you had quoted Jerry Judge from a, the airplane tape is calling me. Wait till the asshole falls asleep. And I'm positive that those words never left his mouth. Because he was, he would have, if I would have been making those noises in the bathroom, he would have ripped the hinges off. Maybe they left his mouth when you were passed out, sir, respectfully. Let's listen to this one more time. I don't know. I don't know. I'm sustained. I'll move to strike. I'll sustain his argumentative and I'll move to strike. Right. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, there's a, when he is showing skepticism, there's a really powerful right brow up at skepticism when the guy's talking. And then he looks kind of, she looks amused for the first time. He's actually suffering here. He's actually starting to look like he might be getting painted backward in a corner. And she looks actually amused. You can see kind of, it's a little bit of glee there. And then he shows enough concern right in through here where you were talking about earlier, chasing the globella with those bunch of muscles right through there. And he may be compromised. He chaffs and redirects and tries to take it and bundle arguments that take this one under. Because he says, look, this is in the past. And this guy couldn't have possibly said that about me. So he's trying to sink that when the guy goes and says, maybe he did when you were out of there. You see per slips of disapproval, some thinking and no, that didn't happen. I don't think so. Chase, what do you got? Agree with you. And based on the hours of testimony I've watched here and every previous interview that I've watched, she is in my opinion responsible for this injury to the finger at a minimum. So if this is true and she did cause this injury, the smile here is nothing short of horrifying and depuse the wrong phrase. She's watching him suffer through it in delight and pleasure when she knows that she caused the injury. And depth's entire testimony was about Amber being abusive and hurting him. And what you're seeing here, if my opinions are correct, they may not be. Is her enjoying him being hurt yet again? And right at the end, there's a final contempt facial expression right at the very end of this clip. And I want to see if you can determine what she's feeling contempt about here. If you can throw it in the comments and I'll give it a heart for you. Mark, what do you think? Yeah, lovely. So look in white noise in distorted speech, you can hear just about anything you want to. I had to listen to it just out of interest. I couldn't make out what was going on there to be honest. Stick your ear to an air conditioner and listen for long enough and you'll hear Paul is dead. So, you know, just by the end of this, because it could be one or it could be the other, there's a move to strike, I believe, at the end. And we see Johnny Depp put his fingers to the side of his mouth, just kind of clean the mouth after he's eaten, you know, the kill on that one. I think that's an indicator that he feels he's scored a strike on that one regardless of Heard's expression, which I guess he's not even seeing, you know, he's focused on the lawyer and he's focused on the jury there. But I think he scored a hit with that one with those little kind of wipes to the side of the mouth. Clean and clear. Scott, what are your thoughts? All right, I think you can understand what's going on there. I've cleaned up, yeah, I've cleaned up several things for police departments where there was a couple situations where what was being said as a crime was being committed needed to be brought out, having been in the music business for a long time and having all the stuff that I can do that and used to doing it. I'm used to listening to those things and listening for those things. So for me, it's fairly clear. So when you're and when you're looking at Johnny Depp, you can tell he's into music because when he listens, he looks down and closes his eyes at one point. They're not closed the whole time. Some people do close their eyes. Some people don't close their eyes. But he's really focusing on that because I don't think he's listening this much before then. Maybe, maybe not. But this could be cleaned up a lot and you could hear a lot better if they had done that. So I don't understand why that hasn't been done in this case because it's fairly simple to do and there's always somebody that can help you to do that to get that done. So I don't know what's up with that. I'm talking about Australia the day that I chopped off. Now we're talking about Australia. Okay. Yes. You hear that? You said the day I chopped my finger off? Let's play it again. That'd be great. Thank you. I'm talking about Australia the day that I chopped off. Now we're talking about Australia. Okay. Are you sure that's... Yeah, let's do it one more time. What I'm saying? What is it the day that I got my finger chopped off? No, no, you said the day that I chopped my finger off. So let's play it one more time because I think I left out the word that. It says the day that I chopped my finger off. I'm talking about Australia the day that I chopped off. Now we're talking about Australia. Okay. I'm not so sure. In fact, earlier you had quoted Jerry Judge from the airplane tape as calling me a way till the asshole falls asleep and I'm positive that those words never left his mouth because he was... he would have... if I would have been making those noises in the bathroom he would have ripped the hinges off. Maybe they left his mouth when you were passed out, sir, respectfully. Let's listen to this one more time. I don't want to judge it. I don't... I'll sustain his argumentative and I'll move to strike. All right? Do you recognize this picture of Ms. Hurd as a picture that was taken directly after the December 15th, 2015 incident? I don't... I don't know when it was... I don't know when the photograph was taken. I don't know much about it. Okay. I was out of the picture. You could take that down. In any event, you don't disagree that there was a headbutt that evening. I know that there's disagreement about the cause of it but you would agree that your headbutt had misheard that evening, correct? No, I would vehemently disagree with that, sir. There was a lot of... I was trying to restrain Ms. Hurd, Ms. Hurd and in the... once I had restrained her, it's... I would say if she's trying to still move around and kick at me or trying to get loose, any sort of movement when you're like this and your heads are together... this close together, it's not impossible for them to bump but a headbutt is... that's pretty extreme definition of that. Let's take a listen to... Chase, what do you got? You agree that you headbutted her that evening? I'm actually surprised that the council didn't object to this and these leading questions are getting a little bit out of control and this is one of the first things... first indicators that you see where people are in a mutually abusive relationship where the abuse is going both ways. It may not be physical on both sides but there's still some level of abuse going back and forth between two people. It's kind of a toxic relationship. It's not just one toxic human being but you can see Amber straighten a bit here and right at this moment, her chin comes up right at this moment, you'll see her chin come up at this moment of victory, this challenge moment or just making a point, I think Mark you were saying that earlier just marking that point and saying Scott, I think you said it... see? What was that? It was me. Smirky. That's all I got here. Scott, what do you got? Well here is Caden slows down and his volume and tone are a little bit lower as well. His arms and gestures are closer to or so and that indicates he feels threatened and in this case I think probably what happens is they clocked heads during that struggle and she's turned it into him headbuttner which when my brother and I would fight we were little things like that would happen and he'd say, I did this or did that and that would have happened but it wouldn't be like whatever the thing was that would have happened I would have hit him with something but only because I was spinning around with it actually hit him with it but not on purpose I think that's what I'd be dealing with in this case and it's... most of the illustrating is done with his head which has been his baseline so far most of the... not when he's demonstrating something when he's illustrating something he's not much of a hand user when it comes to that the issue and concern is forehead and his brow at the beginning and they as the stress grows and his tone gets a little bit higher and his nostrils continue to flare as the anger grows and a couple of places we see his jaw clench so that's another thing that lets his nose get a little bit angry but he's showing good constraint here at this point and control the amber's movements are a little bit more fluid and they're almost jumpy and jerky as she's writing down whatever she's writing on and she's pretty excited here I think the most it's the most we've seen her so far right Mark where you got yeah I agree she's the most animated we've seen her because a piece of evidence comes up my assumption is it shows some kind of bruising on her face or something like that some kind of injury and I think what's happening is she's going okay evidence Johnny's reaction evidence Johnny's reaction and she wants to see is this having an impact on him because my guess is this is an important moment for her my guess is she's hoping that this is going to get some kind of visible reaction from him what we get at the end of all of this I'd agree again Scott is on extreme definition of that is we get clear anger from him he doesn't like the way that this is going he's aggressive towards the way that this one's going Greg what are your thoughts on this yeah I'm going to leave Amber heard along you guys have nailed everything she did for me there's one thing that's concerning in Johnny Depp's body language this first time we see this piece of body language where he tilts his head and kind of does some little snake thing off to the side it's awkward this is a really ugly interchange if he had butted her honestly even if he restrained her I'm a southern boy and if you restrain your girlfriend you're probably going to visit from two guys named Bubba who are going to whip your ass it's just the way it works her brothers are going to come see you that's the way it works you know so there's not a whole lot of restraint in my relationships I don't grab my wife and decide I had enough of this you know it's just you're asking for problems Mark like we said two kids doing that they're going to get hurt whether it's intentional where they had but it don't know when they're I'm going based on what I see here is it the reason that he does this is this is the crux of the entire matter now I don't know whether there's another reason but the crux of this entire cases did he in fact physically abuse her if he did then all bets are off in this case is thrown out because now it's not defamation he did her so then he goes to there's some rationalizing and he gets to that condemning at the end with the guy and he answers exactly the question the guy asked is this picture he's taken up the opportunity to do this attorney what the attorney's been doing to him is this picture taken on this date I don't know he's asking do you recognize this picture as taken on that day but it's interesting to me that a guy is going to admit he's going to admit that he has done some restraining of someone because that alone in some states is enough for you to go to jail and to be considered domestic violence don't know about laws in Virginia not sure of it but there you go and then he goes to pass a voice for their heads bumping which makes you think well they probably is a bunch of this struggling and tussling and the next thing you know their heads butt and something happens so here we are and then the thing that makes me the most annoyed in the entire thing is the guy from South Park is an attorney okay that makes me nuts hearing an attorney use those words where did that come from and I think it's he's being snarky back to Johnny Depp so here we got it I think Chase you hit it dead on regardless where there's physical abuse there's a whole lot of volatility in this relationship and neither one's good for the other one clearly you can see based on the way this thing is going that's it for me do you recognize this picture of Miss Heard as a picture that was taken directly after the December 15th 2015 incident I don't I don't know when it was I don't know when the photograph was taken I don't know much about it okay I was out of the picture you could take that down in any event you you don't disagree that that there was a head butt that evening that I know that there's disagreement about the cause of it but you would agree that that you head butted Miss Heard that evening correct? No I would vehemently disagree with that so there was a lot of I was trying to restrain Miss Heard and in the once I had restrained her it's I would say if she's trying to still move around and kick at me or trying to get loose any sort of movement when you're like this and your heads are together this close together it's not impossible for for them to bump but a head butt a head butt is that's pretty extreme okay let's well let's let's take a listen to let's listen to exhibit 5 98 please your honor this is another this is another recording that I believe it's just between the two I just want to confirm with my team but for now we just ask to to play minutes 605 through 7 36 of 598 a evidence of 605 to 7 36 thank you your honor is most responsible 16 year old daughter you just saying by the way because I'm louder my family my friend everyone around me saw all the bruises broken broken blood vessel under my eye the bruises on my head the missing chunks of hair the split the black eye the swollen nose all that because you're stronger it does not mean because they heard me that I'm somehow more responsible it just means they heard me because I yell in a fight you do provoke I yell it doesn't mean I'm more responsible or better however I am exposed via that the distance of between cafe de bronas and the house is significant I know I know that that does not mean that they got an accurate representation of our fight but if you told them stuff great cool thanks for exposing me as I said to you before don't do it again unless you want me to really also tell them my side of things because trust me you're welcome to trust me you know I have a different type than you and if I show them pictures and stuff they'll have even more different sides and in fact if I tell them even more stuff they'll have even more clear picture of what I think are both sides I know you should show them this on this from the mental spirits you can do whatever you want by the way do it I promise you do it you'll never speak to you again you do whatever you want all right Greg what do you got yeah you can see this is probably one of the worst looking things now let me back up first somebody's recording this conversation not sure the other person is aware they're recording the conversation the person recording a conversation can be glib and do all kinds of stuff if they understand they're recording the other one doesn't it's why we make things illegal why you're not allowed to record thank god I just looked up the light sky to make sure we're recording why you're not allowed to record people without their knowing because you can bait them and lead them down the path just like we're watching this attorney try to rephrase things so anytime I see that one person knows and the other one doesn't I'm a little suspicious then you see his blink rate his mouth is open his eyes are rolling and then he's thinking what's next puts his hand to his throat that can mean he's feeling threatened he's feeling endangered can mean nothing but in this case we've not seen it ever so something feels threatening to him is my guess and then he brings up the mineral spirits about her throwing him in his face that probably ties back to where he put his finger in who knows unless it's just a regular practice to have mineral spirits sitting around and you know in their relationship don't know where that goes but this makes you feel like there's a whole lot of crazy going on at any given time but it feels like it might be being manipulated by a person who's owning the narrative because listen to the difference in their tones one is driving the conversation the other's responding it's all I got Chase what you got yeah usually if you hear one of those recordings and you hear the other person start speaking in a way that they're like throwing legal definitions in making sure their tone is clear using the other person's name a little more often than normal then that's what we're hearing here depth's hand is kind of right here the whole time and this is a little uncharacteristic what we've seen the whole trial kind of covering the throat or covering this super sternal notch right here this little notch down here little protective gesture I'll let if you guys want to get into that but the blink rate goes up and towards the end of this recording happens his blink rate goes up in response to probably stress around having to answer these questions but I want to talk about Amber really fast there's an increased breathing rate so she starts breathing faster there's full bodily and facial avoidance so everything is looking away from him there's fidgeting unwilling to look at depth and she's likely feeling embarrassed about the recording but this could also be her avoiding eye contact she's ashamed of what she's doing by leveraging this audio so here might be a way that you can take a look if she makes solid eye and body contact and stares at him during every moment where she's got him and she's going to do something that she knows is going to be damaging then this means that this recording was used for something that it probably wasn't originally meant in the audio Scott, what do you think? he's a musician so he listens a lot he listens to how people say things how they phrase things especially coming from his introverted background I can't believe he didn't say to her what are you talking like this what are you wearing a wire what the hell is going on here that kind of surprised me when I heard that because it seemed so obvious at that point and before when she had done this she was doing the same thing you nailed it she's talking about phrases and things and building this picture you know what about this it's really really odd as we're looking at him he's looking at it or not looking at that but he's showing concern to his brow he's looking down listening and she's not having any of it you nailed that Chase she's not looking at him at all because I think she's embarrassed about that and she knows that's wrong and she should have done that to avoid the eye contact because that'd be really tough to do at this point Mark where do you got coming up is a recording that could look bad for him we see the adapter on the microphone first of all you can just see around the corner of the computer screen there you'll see two whites of his fingers there and you'll see them gently stroking his sleeve there so he's got a self-soother going on and on top of that Chase absolutely the super sternal notch there his hand goes up you know sometimes you might think some people they get hot under the collar it isn't that usually if it's that they'll just be a vent they'll do a venting action and then they'll move away or they'll maybe vent somewhere else as well this is definitely protection there he feels anxious and vulnerable around this particular conversation recording here now what's interesting for me is that neither of them deny the results that they're talking about just what you know the results of what maybe have been violence nobody denies that at all and neither admit to how it came about so for example in the case of the the spirits which is used in oil painting by the way so that's why the can of spirits is around here it's a paint thinner for that for the art of the usual kind of drawing penises you know over lampshades you know the kind of art so it's there for that and there is the indication there that a can was thrown and it hit Johnny's head she doesn't deny that at all as much as he doesn't deny that there may have been violence the results in the action but nobody talks about it nobody denies the results and nobody admits as to how those results came about it kind of looks bad for everybody the best you can make out of it is these two should not be together and thankfully they aren't together anymore it can't go very well ever for these two but they're in court it's equally as bad place to be terrible place to be let's listen to exhibit 598 please your honor this is another this is another recording that I believe is just between the two I just want to confirm with my team but for now we just ask to play minutes 605 through 736 of 598 it's a 598A evidence of 605 to 736 thank you your honor who's loudest is most responsible my 16 year old daughter heard you saying that she would rather not be here by the way because I'm louder my family, my friends everyone around me saw all the bruises broken blood vessel under my eye the bruises on my head the missing chunks of hair, the split lips the black eye, the swollen nose because you're stronger it's not mean it's not mean because they heard me that I'm somehow more responsible it just means they heard me because I yell in a fight you do provoke I yell it doesn't mean I'm more responsible or badder however I am exposed via that the distance between cafe de bronas and the house is significant I know, I know that that does not mean that they got an accurate representation of our fight but if you told them stuff great cool, thanks for exposing me as I said to you before don't do it again unless you want me to really also tell them my side of things because trust me you're welcome to trust me you know I have a different side than you and if I show them pictures and stuff they'll have even more different sides and in fact if I tell them even more stuff they'll have even more clear picture of what I think are both sides I know you should show them this on this you can do whatever you want you can do whatever you want by the way do it I promise you do it you'll never speak to you again you do whatever you want all right well let's still around the room and sort of sum up in 30 seconds or less what we think about what we've seen Mark what have you got? well yes it is chaos and madness there and that is the court of the king isn't it? so somebody who wields power and have people around that will you know when people should be calling the police and you know will just not do nothing but certainly keep that relationship together in some ways is always going to breed more chaos and more drama so I think to an extent Depp is getting the rock and roll that he's after and at the same time Greg to your earlier points and I think we made it about our last herd adventure this is what happens when you fly close to the sun herd is described as radiant she is described as one of the most beautiful people that you can come across and if you are that sun king and you want to get closer and closer to the sun you might get burnt it might be even more chaotic than you thought but this is all going to go on for much much longer so I'm sure we'll talk about this more chase what do you think yeah I think this is just a story of the narcissist and the introvert that's really what we're seeing here as a pro tip if like 40 people from 5 different circles of friends who don't communicate with each other all warn you not to date a certain person consider it just consider it from defamation to defecation she even took a giant number 2 on his bed and that's the kind of person that is and maybe that illustrates the kind of relationship that we're seeing I want to introduce a new behavioral term that I just invented this morning while I was watching these videos but a lot of what we're seeing here with Amber Heard is a behavioral tourniquet everything is just shut off as much as can be the leak out but not enough for critical mass to happen so that's what a tourniquet does but here's one rule of thumb you can always look at especially in court or depositions who in this scenario is controlling their behavior more and take a look at that and that should give you a good idea where to start at a minimum Greg yeah so I will say this I think the most dangerous thing you can possibly do is to be cloistered or sequestered with people you've all been through it in the past two years with this crazy virus we've been through and if you have a very small cloistered group you're going to find enemies friends cohorts all the same things you would do in a large group but you may only have one or two people involved and the richer and more famous you become and when you become an icon that cannot walk the street you have to be even more more guarded because you're going to have that the four of us could easily go into some kind of decay if we had to look only for all of our enemies friends and everything else within this group you need to remember that in your daily life so these people have been and they may be firing or they may be gasoline and matches to start with but they get closer and closer and closer and more locked down and then you know there's in every relationship there's entitlement and there's expectation if an expectation is not met and you think it's entitlement and you ramp up and things go there over a birthday party or whatever and then that person doesn't give you the feedback you expect things escalate and escalate and escalate and then there's certain levels of behavior that are acceptable within any given culture restraint probably is a bad idea and probably could be concerned violence in some way head butting is certainly violence if it's done intentionally so we'll find out what the courts think and that's the verdict what we're seeing is what we can read and what we believe what we think is there's a hell of a lot of volatility in here and you know when I watch this it is my opinion that yes she took the tip of his finger if you're asking that question Scott what do you have? I think this is a great example like Chase was saying a couple minutes ago of the narcissist versus the introvert and how they progress through a situation like this how they act and what happens and especially when they butt heads which is going to happen quite often I think so you always hear opposites attract and all that well a lot of cases that's true you know but in this case I think it's too opposite the personalities are too far apart to be able to function together well and I didn't see much in the form of deception on him at all if any so I mean I saw some laying backs trying not to give out information so it would sound worse to the attorney asking the questions but I think this I think he's being fairly honest or really honest so I believe him and I believe you're right Greg I believe that whole bit about the finger I believe he's being honest about that and I don't think he cut his own finger off that's ridiculous especially being a musician you wouldn't want to do it's one of the last things you want to do especially being a guitar player even though it was his right hand and his left hand which is where you use for chords and stuff alright fellas I think this was a good one and we'll see you next time see ya