 Hi and welcome to Dare to Dream. This is Debbie Dashinger and pleasure to be here with you today today's show features Gail Thackeray a sixth generation rakey master and medium who helps you with health love finances and more This show Dare to Dream with Debbie Dashinger has won the COVR award for best radio and podcast Welp magazine named Dare to Dream one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year It's high-ranking under self-improvement in Apple podcast and has been nominated For two people's choice podcast awards and for a webby award This show is sponsored by Dr. Dean here and access consciousness They do energy work out in the world So if you'd like to become a facilitator or you'd like to take their class go to dr. Dane here com I Am Debbie Dashinger and I'm a media visibility specialist I Am a book writing coach and I take your book from idea to Self-publish and if you should go through somebody like a publishing house You can come to me and my team to take your book to a guaranteed international bestseller We've been doing it for 12 years for authors And the final thing I do is I teach you how to be interviewed on radio and podcast and get massive results I've got a boutique publicity agency. I've got about five clients in any one time So I really know the system how to get you visible and as spiritual messengers You came here right now with a message to be heard Please let me give you a gift so I can show you how go to Debbie dashinger calm slash gift It's D. E. B. B. I D a C H I N G E R dot com slash gift My guest gale fat gray six generation reiki master has traveled Extensively working with spiritual healers and psychic surgeons around the world Gale is an exceptional medium with tremendous connection to spirit She helps people realign their energies for better health love Finances and to live their sole purpose Gale can see people's past lives tap into their body energetically and often gives Messages from spirit gale is in tune with crystals and stones working on people's energy fields and Using crystal healing to protect and enhance the aura Gale is the author of a few books and those books are on spiritual healing and psychic mediumship development If you would like to learn more about her go to gale fat gray Calm and with that I welcome the amazing gale to dear to dream. It is so great to have you welcome I am excited to you and I I guess I've been going to conscious life expo Whatever, I don't know what it's been taught 10 12 years. I've worked with them the last maybe five and Helped out in various ways, but what I know mostly as an attendee I've always seen your booth. I've always seen you we passed in the halls, but I have never formally met you And so it is a pleasure to establish a real relationship So thank you for being here. I know your personality is amazing And I'm curious. How did you go from robin harris actress To gale fat gray leader and healer. How did that journey happen? Um, so you've done a little bit of research on me. So I guess I used to be an actress Um, I was actually at college in England Uh was going to be a vet um, I was at medical school and I was the malboro cigarette model and so They brought me to the states for two weeks And I got cast a little role on baywatch. I got cast in some movies And I was like, well, should I go back to college for seven years? Uh, yeah, I like the weather in california. Maybe maybe I'll check it out for a while And so that's what got me here and you know, and it just seems like, um Sometimes we go in different paths. It's like the universe senses I've been reading this this book surrender and it's like the universe sometimes just Sends you things and that's always kind of been my thing. It's just just say yes to whatever the universe is presenting So anyway, that's what got me to california And I was an actress then I had a business. I had an internet business Was not in the psychic realms at all. Now, uh, looking back, there were certain things now I can see things But you know, I never thought I like the psychic stuff, but I never thought that I could do any of that um And so what happened was I had this experience where it was kind of an awakening for me And I had this business and I was busy working in the internet. I had a photo stock library and I went I went to this health fair kind of like a conscious life, but it was a health fair and there was a psychic there And she was going around the room and she's picking people. So I'm like, oh pick me pick me, you know Uh, and it was me with my mom while she didn't so, uh, she was having a workshop So we thought well, we'll sign up for the workshop and maybe we'll get a reading And so we go to this workshop And we get then there's a sign that says how to become a medium We didn't even know what the workshop was. We just thought we were gonna go kind of get a reading And um, and so she I'm thinking I can't do that But okay, and so she has to do this exercise where we do kind of a light meditation And then she has his get up on stage and we're supposed to bring in the spirit next to us And it's for somebody in the room. So I so I get up I'm like, okay. I think I got this wrong. Maybe, you know, I thought we were supposed to make up a story But anyway, mine was for this guy over here And it's his grand piano saying he's telling me about the scaffolding company that he had and then his dad took it And then he was supposed to take it, but he became a pilot and he did this and And so I go, okay Was any of that correct and the guy goes, oh my god, that was my grandfather's name. That's what he did This had that picture in my house. This is and I'm so I'm like Um, okay, maybe it was a lucky guess. Yeah Right. I just did not believe it Um, so for me it was like this kind of like almost like it'd been waiting there So I start telling everybody all kinds of things and I go home And that night I can't sleep I come back and I'm like, I've got a message for you and I've got a message for you and Okay, this this was fun But how do we turn this off because I can't live like this? This is like insane I mean like I couldn't drive I couldn't I couldn't even put my pants on the right way around I was like in like space cadet And so it was this unusual thing where one minute I was normal and the next minute I could do this stuff But it kind of comes at a cost And I did I did kind of learn that that you know, you can't if you get that deep and do it that strong It's really hard to switch back and forth. That's why you see some psychics that are really, you know, kind of out there Um, and so I think there's a balance like we're supposed to be here to have our own experiences and and to be in the physical world And so I I teach now how to do healing and mediumship, which I think comes in the same way so It to me it's about connecting in with the other side We have this spiritual world around us And we can connect into that whether you are Trying to connect with loved ones that have passed whether you are looking for guidance talking to spirits or whether You're looking to do healing work So I know a lot of your views have probably done reiki and channel healing and spiritual healing And to me it's the same kind of thing. You're getting your vibration to a certain level It's almost like we have to bring our vibration higher Uh and the spirit sort of helping they got to bring the vibration lower So we can meet and that vibration where we can connect and be in that zone But I think you can only hold it for a little bit of time and it's very difficult to Hold that kind of energy and be in the physical world And so when this first happened to me, I mean, I thought it was amazing, but I also My kids thought I'd gone nuts. I couldn't I couldn't even remember to pick them up from school Um, you know, I couldn't do normal things. I couldn't do normal life But I could tap in really strong and I could I could look a person's energy field and look at their body and say, okay You've got this health problem. You've got that. This is why that's what you've got This is your past life and I could do all of that, but I think there's you know, there's To me, I tell my students you switch it on You work in that environment and then you switch it off and you go about your daily life And you can't you know be in that all the time You know, if you had the time to go and spend A month meditating in the Himalayas, I think Most people will be much more psychically in tune When you're about your daily life and you've got things going on You're just not as in tune And so people say well, how can I do that? How can I be more psychic? How can I be more in tune? And you know, I teach them how how to do it, which I think a lot of it is through Meditation techniques, but it's about raising your vibration raising your energy and tapping into That that other world But you can't be like that all the time you can't have that high energy all the time So I went from having a business to all of a sudden I knew there was something else I didn't even know what I was doing and I was married at the time and I said, I'm I'm actually gonna go off I'm gonna do some travels. I'm gonna do some spiritual stuff My husband thought I'd lost my mind because I had quite a successful business So he's like, what do you mean? What are you going? What are you doing? and It was life changing because I just felt like What I'm doing in the physical world. It's just it's not enough. There's something more here And I went on this journey of discovery. I went to visit a lot of different psychics and healers I ended up going all of the world walking with John of God, who's very controversial but amazing healer in brazil I went to australia and worked with the aboriginals I also went back to england worked with the druids worked in the philippines with the psychic surgeons Studied reiki So before all this had happened I kind of connected the dots so my auntie had come over Before I had this awakening my auntie had come over from england and She used to be in insurance. She used to be an insurance adjuster She had an experience one day driving home where she comes around the corner and there's a massive ufo Like the size of a house sitting in the field. Oh, I love it And so she's like, you know, I don't believe in any of this kind of stuff He's totally not in the spiritual world. This ufo appears to her And after that she went through some other changes. She ended up changing her career and becoming a reiki master So she'd come over and said, hey, I'm I'm going to do an attunement on you. I'm going to do a reiki attunement I'm going to show you. I want to teach you level one reiki. But oh, yeah, that sounds great Right, so she'd done this like a few weeks before this awakening happened So I think that had a lot to do with it And I'm sure a lot of your viewers have done reiki But when you when you learn reiki you're you are attuned or tapped into These reiki guides in the spirit world. So it's a way of kind of like opening you up psychically And allowing that connection And so when she first did this to me and showed me how to do reiki I'm I'm I didn't feel it like a lot of people are like, oh, I really felt I felt the tingle I felt I felt this, you know, I felt something happening and for me. I'm not very Uh, psychically sensitive. I'm more clair audience. So I didn't feel it. So I'm like, oh, I don't really feel anything And then I started to reiki on people and they were like, wow, that's amazing And you know, my knee, I had all this pain and now it's completely gone and and I'm like, I like us I'm not feeling anything. I didn't really, you know, I so I'm thinking that these people it's just wishful thinking Um Some people are more sensitive than I am and they feel it they feel being that channel of energy So I would get more messages and people will clear audience like me Get messages. It just feels like your thoughts. So it feels like, oh, that's just my imagination I'm just making that up. And so when I had this first kind of Breakthrough, I just thought, oh, I'm just making this up. This is just silly But I couldn't have been making it up So then I I go traveling around the world and I meet a lot of different healers and I see some amazing stuff and Really came back to the feeling that a lot of these different spiritual healing modalities They might have come from a different tradition based in and you know, different spirits a different Different knowledge, but it's all really about the same thing I think most of them believe that we have a spiritual world around us Uh, and that we tap into that spiritual world, you know, John got the Filipinos. They're very catholic So they believe that it's catholic spirits, you know, and they they set they set the foundation with prayer The traditional Dr. Yusui Reiki Is set in Japanese tradition and we we connect with the masters in Japan and other masters I teach Tibetan so Tibetan masters as well But I think a lot of these different spiritual healing modalities believe that we have a spiritual world around us And that we can access this as a healer and become a channel of that energy and When you allow yourself to tap in not only can you be a channel of that healing energy? But you also will be given guidance Um on why a person has that issue and so The more the more I worked with different people and more I saw the same thing that we're made of an energy field And when we have a pain in our body a physical problem in our body It is connected to something else. It just doesn't appear. You don't just get a cancer lump You don't just get a back problem. It is actually from energy that has become dense energy difficult energy that has probably repeated over time. So You can somebody comes for a healing they can either come and say oh, I have this problem with finances or I have this emotional problem I have this connection with my sister or or I have a pattern in this way something emotional or mental It'll come with and maybe it's not physical yet Or they can come physical, but it's still connected to something emotional So the way I look at it is energy starts from our outer area So let's take like a difficult relationship difficult romantic relationship So we have a difficulty because that's part of life. We were here to have these lessons To work through karma to work through experiences For our soul growth. So let's say we're having a difficult romantic relationship Well, so they show up in our outer energy field And at first it might not it might be, you know, a wonderful experience So we meet this person and we're like, oh, I have this great connection with them I feel like they're my soulmate. Well, of course you do because you know, if we're going to have any kind of a A good relationship or a difficult relationship any kind of strong relationship Probably a soulmate So that person is in your energy field And when things get difficult Now you start arguing start fighting you it's the thinking emotional the The mental Part of that where they're irritating you, you know, you've got negative thoughts So that's now a bit denser into your energy field then it starts really upsetting you You can start to feel really triggered by it. You know, you feel it in your body You know, if you tune into how you feel about something it's upsetting you it's making you emotional Right, so the energy is getting stronger and it's coming further into your energy field And if we allow it for a long enough time or we keep repeating this same feeling Eventually it's going to become physical If it's a romantic relationship it's going to resonate with your sacral chakra, which is the area just below your belly button So if somebody comes and says, okay, I've got this problem in this area of my body I've got fibroids or I've got an intestinal problem. It's a physical problem Most likely it's come from that area of the life from relationship areas And so whether they come and say I have this physical problem or whether they come and say I've got this emotional problem It's all connected. So a lot of what I saw when I first started with spiritual healing is People will come and say I've got this physical problem And when you release and do the healing on that physical problem, you're also Working on that emotional problem. So let's say again relationship somebody comes and they've got a physical problem in that area of body And you do the spiritual healing What happens is they'll now say oh, I reconnected with that old boyfriend Um, this came up again in my relationship with my wife Um, but what happens is you're healing all of it. You can't just heal the physical without healing the underlying And so I started taking groups around the world. I took a lot of groups to jonah god and people would come and they'd say, um, I have this Cancer in my breast and let me if I may I just want to ask you about that I want to ask you about jonah god because I know you were deeply connected with him and also years ago We all know that that the disturbing news came out on some level and I would love to ask you for your and i'm not trying to be political but your boots on the ground understanding Of what went on with him and how he's doing today because I could never tell I mean as a woman As somebody who could be vulnerable going to a healer, you know, I think I resonated with a lot of the feelings out there But as a metaphysician and somebody who's really tapped into some times how things work in this world when you have somebody powerful who heals Uh, you know the pharmacies don't like it doctors don't like it Governments don't like it and sometimes they will plant evidence. That's not true I don't know but I'd love you to weigh in if you don't mind What that was and how he's doing if you know so, um, and I'm sure most of your viewers know what happened but, um I was there for uh, probably 10 years. I probably took 25 Roups down there as well as went by myself several times. I also took jonah god to toronto Well, we did a huge event with a lot of people So I got to know jonah god quite well And I think it was 2018 It came out where supposedly he had molested a whole bunch of women supposedly took in this healing room and then Was inappropriately touching them And to such an extent that he actually went to jail um I honestly think it's a bunch of political bullshit Um, I in the whole time I went He never once made any kind of inappropriate gesture motion. I never heard about anything I mean, I went 25 times with a lot of women I went myself. I was in his house by myself I was in a hotel room him with him in toronto never once did he ever make any kind of Passed me the room that they talk about is a very public room It's a room that is off the side of the center that he would go in but the door was open with staff coming and going And literally 200 people waiting outside for a photograph. So I find it very hard to believe now I saw jon as the man because jon jon was a man who would then incorporate and do his work as a spiritual healer And there was definitely a difference between him as a person and him as when he's incorporated and in this Healing and as a man, I saw I'm getting arguments with people I saw I'm getting in in you know fights over business or property or you know tempo with somebody um So, you know, it's not like an angel or anything Um, did he have our girlfriends on the side? He could possibly have had some You know, uh girlfriends. I mean he's a superstar He had literally hundreds of people after every session and every girl wanted to be around him and and you know And get a photo with him. Um, it was a celebrity So whether he had consensual stuff with with girls outside of his marriage Possible probably. I don't know but as far as as far as that a lot of what went down I mean the people I know worked at the casa. They never saw it either. So I It lined up when the new president was coming in it lined up with a lot of political stuff that was going on Um, so did they just want him out? I don't know. I think you have any idea how he's doing Uh, well, he wasn't he was in jail Then he was back at his ranch. He was not allowed to do any spiritual work. He was basically on house arrest I think he's gone back to jail again. I'm not I'm not completely sure But it's very sad for the kaza because the kaza remains open The energy there incredible because It wasn't real. It wasn't john the man that was really it was doing the healing You had these spirits that would work through him But even if you were there and he's not there the spirits are still there So from what I've heard the energy is still there still a man Uh, and then when you did the psychic surgery in the philippines the healing and bali What was important for you about that? What did you learn how to do? so I think I learned that it's really about tapping in to the other side and being a channel of the energy um So it's not really that this person is doing it. It's more that this It's it's almost getting out of the way rather than trying in fact the more you try The less it's going to happen. It's more about kind of getting out of the way and and allowing this process to happen through you Not trying or forcing to do anything the first time I went to the philippines the Ambrosio had been the healer in this region in baguio for His his grandmother had been the healer than his mother then he'd become the healer and then he decides he's passing the gift to me Ha, so I'm like, um, okay I'm not sure if I'm really up to this and he he started the session by Opening his prayer book and setting the energy and doing the prayer and so I'm there I'm all excited to help I've got the cotton wool and I'm standing by ready for the surgery and Uh, he's client comes in lays down He opens his prayer book and he starts to pray to set the energy And I literally passed out on the floor And so I come round and he's like, yeah, the energy is a bit strong You know, so I did this like four or five times. I just kept fainting And I'm like, look, I can't even I can't even stay awake. How am I gonna do this? And he's like, yeah, yeah, the energy is a little strong And eventually I got to where he was doing a session and I was there and my videos of me there helping and assisting But I tell you I felt like I was on the ceiling watching this thing Um, and so to me that was it's all about really the energy The energy that's setting the room setting the energy and then allowing the spiritual beings to come and to work through you And what about horses? Some of the stuff some of the stuff in the Philippines is fake and you know, they tell you there's a lot So they're basically open up the body and they put their hands inside the body And you'll see like, you know, open Blood and guts and even like pulling nails and pulling things out And a lot of it. I think they add stuff To make it for tourists. I think a lot of people don't believe it unless they see like a lot of blood and stuff That's crazy. Wow And you have a connection to animals, right? I've seen pictures of you All dressed connecting with horses. What is your relationship with horses? Oh, well, I've always loved horses. I have horses and I've ridden since I was little So but you know all all animals and once Once this happened to me and I started delving into The psychic side of it and the the healing side of it um I realized that animals they already connect on that level And so our animals are already in tune. They already They already do healing work naturally. They already telepathically We can talk to them. They're already listening to us We're a little bit dumb about being able to understand them and to listen to them But they they know already and they're they're very much become our life partners and so You'll see animals come and they'll say have a hip problem or leg problem or an eye problem and it's actually Not to do with them. It's to do with whoever is their main caregiver. So I see that a lot where Where it's something that's going on with the animal or even if it's like a behavioral thing It's to do with the person. So I'll see like they're saying, you know My dog is is always barking or it's always anxious or he's always doing this and look at the person and say, okay What's going on in your life? And a lot of it is what's going on in in their life So they're very much Our healers Yeah, yeah I saw you do a tv show And the host brought a dog for you to talk to which is so cool and I always think for animals, what a blessing because I've I've had this experience before but Now what a blessing because they probably have so much to say I feel like I'm super in tune with my dog But still when you do a session like this, it's a whole another level It is next level communication with your animal and hearing From them. So I was wondering if I brought a canine to you would you be willing? Sure, let's let's Yeah, you want to do it? Yeah, okay. I just need to bend down And it's a sleepy dog Will you come with us? Will you meet somebody? Will you Will you meet somebody please? Yeah, hello Now you might want to oh you were such a sleepy girl. So this is Shelby the dog Oh Oh now this is gail factory. She's my new friend I was thinking it was going to be a little brown one Does she have a friend that's a little brown one? Now that's crazy people I've never met gail before Oh That's the one I was seeing So she was like we're both here I think she's a little nervous about going first. She wants this one to go This is um, this is ziggy. This is hilarious. So ziggy wants to talk to you. Yeah Now So ziggy is not your dog, right? Correct. Well, yes and no, okay It's like you I feel like you know, you know ziggy But um, he's not like it's not so the other one's your dog, right? Is this your boyfriend's dog? That is correct Okay, and so they're saying oh, it's a new beautiful relationship. So Are you getting married? You know, this is a wonderful relationship. I mean you and the you and your boyfriend This is a fairly new but it feels like you've known him for years. It feels like a soulmate connection Thank you. We've been uh, December will be five years. Yes No, I feel like this is uh, this is the one this is your soulmate and and these two also feel like they've come together as soulmates as well But I do feel like there's something like, uh Moving in together There's something they're going to a different level So I feel like there's something more permanent coming along So this ziggy is more The very quiet grounded one um What's the other one begins with s what's Shelby Shelby Shelby gets to be She's the one like they they play off each other because she's a little bit more high Hyper sometimes she gets a little bit anxious about things and then he's the one that kind of calms her down Does that make sense? And I see them like sharing like a bean bag You have a bean bag this is I would lift it up, but I would have to put them down, but I have a black Uh faux fur, but it's a black fur Carpet like it's a beautiful little room rug and they both like to sleep on it And then at night he sleeps in a little bed and she sleeps next to the bed or on the We sometimes pull the black fur in for her Well, there's something about like they have their time when they're on the bed together like they have their Felt like a bean bag comes in the two of them lay together That's kind of their specials time where they get to sleep together chat about things and then they They either go home to the separate places or they have their own separate things So they like their they like their together time Um So They're saying you're a shaman And you're not you're not doing enough of your uh Your ceremonies are so they're showing me like a circle shaman thing the stones involved There's the rattle involved They want to see you doing more of that. I am a shaman. This is absolutely correct and I am dying to do more Community and group work and online work. This is absolutely true and I am at the same time About to do a huge presentation in another country. So so they were telling me another place. I was thinking another So it's probably the one in another country Of the shaman work. I'm seeing somewhere. It's like I'm going to a new location I thought it was like a new location that you were going to have where you go regularly Like a new That's interesting because our back house is becoming available and rather than rent it out We're going to turn it into a healing center. So it will not be this moment will be Yeah, so i'm seeing like regular you're going to be holding them regular like um Every One saturday a month or you you like choosing like a regular thing and they're saying that would be really good because people will know And come it's almost like got a medicine wheel As well I don't know if you've drawn a medicine wheel in the back, but there's a drawn circle of some kind in the back Wow, you're good So you're really good this um, so from time to time there's a mandala or sand painting that we that Shamans like to do it's in order to get rid of things that don't work to bring in what you prefer to You know, you could put objects in there you blow the energy I see the people coming in they've each got a rock a stone They're each coming to put something in there and then at the end it's it's gone taken away and the fresh start the next time Right. Yeah. Yes So they're gonna help with this so they'd like to be there when you when you do that Um, and then you've got somebody coming in to kind of do a blessing on the land itself somebody's coming to To do the four corners to do somebody like a priest or a shaman is coming That's not you. You've got somebody coming to kind of like set the energy Not yet, but I love that idea. Yeah, this is somebody's coming in and they've got the little bells. They like the bells You have some bells too. They're on like a Red string with the two bells on the end, you know, I don't I actually have this old bell from the boaty tree a million years ago That I use in my shamanic practice, but um, I actually need to buy the exact bells you're talking about Okay, because I see them telling you to go around Set the energy before before you do this Um, and so your boyfriend was not in this field, but now you're getting him into it No, um, he's not in this field at all Um, he's gonna have something to do with the property or the setting it up at least to Yeah, that's right. Yeah, he likes it and he's into all of this Yeah So I feel like he's gonna be a little bit more involved in this project that you're doing And um, and then you're recording it as well and putting it out to other people, but I feel like it's very special in person Oh my gosh So this is like this is what they're talking about when they're saying you kind of go into the next level Because I think your boyfriend's going to be involved Like is it kind of is a business too? Like he's helping you The project you have together And so they're just saying uh, he's saying they love it when you go to the beach They haven't been in a while, but he likes it throwing sticks by the beach. So there's somewhere you go Yes, we like to take them to You would know the places you live in los angeles, too So rosies and long beach is an off leash beach. I'm huntington beach is off leash We've taken them up north To like pismo, which is spectacular and then they can everybody can spend time off leash And it's true shelby has been more recently to the beach, but little ziggy has not and I didn't even know he liked it Oh, yeah, yeah, and that's that's that's nice. So I think you've all been together, right? Yes, we have like more of that. I said, that's really fun And the golden treats that you give him You know what that is Um, gosh, it's like some little nugget thing that you get sometimes. Okay Yeah, I don't know which one it is. We have so many treats And switch him around but I'll pay attention It's called a golden golden nuggets a golden something other look look like little golden squares I'm wondering if how he's doing his okay, and and I was just gonna say his he had some difficulty with his paw or a pain in his right paw Um Not that I know of no that's to do with your boyfriend's Uh Right leg which is to do with changes at work for him So you mean rob having change at work? Yes So rob like there's some change coming up and he's not really sure he doesn't really like change And so he he's been told we just kind of go with the flow It's actually a good thing And it's gonna work out Um, so that's why this one's had kind of a sticky paw It feels like he's had a bit of a pain in his Front right paw, but that's just to do with rob. So when rob just says okay fine. I'll just go with it Do you know what that's about? Um, yeah, his his job's a little intense and they Yeah, it's it's intense. If I seem to do something new or different and he's a little reluctant But tell him just to say yes and it's gonna work out pretty good for him. So it's actually it's gonna be good They had um They had a brother Uh, not a real blood brother, but a dog brother who died. Is that a darker brown one? Like a little bit more No I'm seeing I'm seeing one that's a little it's about the same sizes as him And a darker more ready brown Oh, no This is this is all of ziggie right here with his let me get your head in there But uh past does it begin with? Oh on Oh Yes, okay. Yeah Is that one also look like the one like hers? There's the other one that looked like the white. Is it a white fluffy one? He was a white dog. That is correct Um, white fluffy one a little bit like not fluffy. He was like what had sort of wiry hair and he died I think this Friday will if I have the timing right it'll be about three weeks since he died Okay, so I'm seeing actually two that have passed up around them. One is one is the one Uh oval, I don't know all of her Okay, um, and then there's another ready brown one. Maybe that's one that rob had that you don't know about There's two around in spirit and That's why they're saying go to the beach because I feel like this other one was at the beach Yeah This other one have a cat. Do you have a cat? No I love cats, but we don't have one Okay Because I feel like there's a Cat in spirit, but I feel like this one had a cat I've had cats in the past. I've had two cats three cats. Yeah. Yeah, it's um, kind of a tabby cat Is that one of your cats? I don't think so no Okay, so So I guess they used to go to the dog park and what happens is When when a dog Passes, but then You're you have another dog and you're going out doing the same thing It's like they're there with them all the time So they're like when you go and you're having fun and you're throwing the stick and you're doing all that I'm there as well. So I get to go along too so Yeah, um So shelby and Oval Oliver Oliver. Yeah, they were they were they were brother and sister then they were your two They were not blood anything. Nobody was nobody's blood. They were they were like together like you had the two of them together Yeah, uh, Oliver was is also rob's dog. Not my dog. Um But they all you know became community Yeah, well that one's still there And Oliver had a very good long life Um, and at the end it just felt like there were multiple things failing like Did you did you try to fix things? But then something else happened? It feels like it feels like it was just time It was like one thing after another after another Yeah, yeah, he had an enlarged heart And he like, you know, he had a few things on his face and he had a lipoma and his joints It was clear. He couldn't quite, you know, it just felt tired. It just felt like time But he'll come back but right now is is just around them Yeah fun Yes, we were all there at his passing and it was quite tragic and beautiful all at once to you know, help a being go to the rainbow bridge and to cross over and Yeah, it was really something but he was beautiful and he's missed say. Thank you gail. Thank you so much That was wonderful. Thank you for communicating And back on the rug he goes. Well, that was very cool. Thank you. Well pass shall be a per second shall be Come on sleepy There we go And all her glory So Shelby you get worried about her being alone. So I think she fusses when you're leaving But as soon as you're gone, I just want to let you know she's fine Some of it's faking it a little bit So Like when you leave in the house, you see you feel bad that you're leaving her I feel like she's kind of anxious and it's like the minute you left if you had a camera. She's fine When I leave she does this thing with the paw and looks at me like you're doing what Yeah I'm to talk to her. I love you. I'll be back. You're telling my secrets. Don't tell my secrets I know Sometimes she just wants to know what's going on. Sometimes she gets anxious. So when you're leaving if you just say to her I'm going I'm going I'll be back at five o'clock Right, she then she feels better and if you're not back at five o'clock just send a telepathic message like oh, I'm running later I'll be back at six Okay Yes, she just she doesn't sometimes doesn't know you're not clear on where you're going and what you're doing But if you're clear about it, then she'll feel much better She'll feel more at ease She knows what time you're coming back because she can tell the time if you just tell her what time you're coming back She'll expect you at that time Wow Okay, that's fair Yeah, and then sometimes she picks up on your energy So if you're if she seems like she's fussy bit anxious Just kind of sit down and go. Okay. Mom's fine Mom's calm Mom's good And she'll calm down But mostly with her it's about like not knowing Not being confused as to what's going on what's happening And if you're worried about things or you're stressed you have a lot of different things going on Sometimes she's kind of picking up on these mixed energies and she's not sure what's going on either So she gets a little bit anxious But if you calm her down and say i'm good i'm fine Yeah, and and sometimes you get indigestion. She says sometimes she gets indigestion And it's it's she said it's more stress Taking on too many things. She says you can do a lot of things But you need to take the time to like Once in a while just when you get too much on your plate You've just got to take five minutes and do a little meditation and bring yourself back to center so I feel like tightness or pain in your intestines and it's really just stress Okay, you can also try some castor oil in your belly button. She's so interesting. I I have some Castor oil put it in your belly button and that will also release the that feeling of tension as well beautiful Thank you, but they're very happy that you and Rob got together. They think you're perfect Thank you. It's so beautiful. Yeah And they said that's healing because I guess there was somebody before that that was not so good You are the second person to say that Amazing You're the second person. Yes After all of our dive we met with an animal telepathy person Which by the way, I have to say is one of the most healing things that Emotionally we turned a corner and shifted into healing very quickly all of us But this woman also brought this up as well. His previous partner was didn't she yeah, so we'll leave it at that God bless wherever you are and all of a will come back not not right now, but when you're ready He's just gonna show up And he will look very similar Oh, cool. Ha. Oh nice. Yeah. He was using this. He's a beautiful soul. He added a lot of love to that They come back. They come back when they're ready They come back so people say I don't want to get another puppy or you know, but often it's the same one that comes back That's so interesting and and tell me if you would please because I know you also do gemstones and You even know How to pick what gemstone that would work for someone's particular energy What is that like? Is that a psychic thing for you or do? Are you given information or do you know need their birth date? How does that work? Now so we have energy fields And the energies in different parts of our body are going to vibrate at a different frequency. So, um I'm sure your listeners know about chakras But you know if your throat chakra is blocked because you're not speaking to someone you're having a hard time talking about something Or you know from being a child or you've got a partner or a parent that won't let you speak And you've got throat chakra issues Which can lead to sore throats? Even like a cancer or a thyroid problem, right? So that this energy if you could see it psychically is a turquoise energy When that energy is shut down It causes the physical problems and you have a very hard time being able to speak about things So, um, if we just choose a gemstone that would resonate with that area Which would often be a turquoise colored one like a a larimar is really great larimar Is the the one from atlantis. It's only found in the american republic Also a turquoise like the native american turquoise would be good or anyone that resonates with that kind of energy So if you put that on your throat If somebody resonates with that They're gonna like that stone. They're gonna think it's pretty they're gonna look at it on you and go Oh, I love that stone, right? And then if they wear that stone and it's a good resonant what it's going to do is going to help to mend Or kind of temporarily fix that energy. So it'll strengthen the throat chakra energy. So like, oh, I feel better This feels good. And what's happening is it's helping to strengthen that right, so If you have say something going on with family right now grief heartache Something not all family stuff. Something's more recent You're gonna resonate with stones that open up the heart chakra because your heart chakra is a little bit shut down We're never perfectly Energetically stable like there's always something where you know, we all have stuff going on, right? And so you're gonna resonate with the stones that help to increase that So if you've got stuff with family, you're gonna look at heart stones These are going to be often green stones like an emerald or a Siberian green They also could be a love stone like a rose quartz or a pink stone So the different parts of your energy feel and what about you going in what's going on where you've maybe got a block You're going to resonate with the stones that help To kind of increase that energy and you're going to automatically be drawn to them You're going to like that kind of stone and when you have it and you hold it in your aura It's going to start to strengthen it. That's why it feels good So I get a lot of stones. I get stones from brazil I found stones all over the world and then I'll have them set, you know, like for instance This stone here. So this is a A golden stone. This is great for sole purpose For sharing so i'm sharing my sole purpose today Can you hold it up a little higher so we can say yeah But probably like a turquoise stone would have been good for today because turquoise is about communication, right? So uh, you'll feel and you'll like the stones that resonate with you Um, often we get other people's energy around us. So especially those are class sentient You pick up other people's energy So if you kind of go to a family gathering and it makes you really tired or drained You know work and it kind of drains you if you one of those people to pick up other people's energy Um protection stones are good. So like a smoky quartz is one of the best Um Or even just a clear quartz there's something to protect your energy and kind of get rid of other people's energy. So um There's a couple things about it one it's about the the resonance of the stone and how it affects your energy field And then stones also hold good energy. So that's why you see healers that will bless stones Or you can put rakey into a stone so If you're getting a stone that's gotta it's Say jonah got blessed it or it's from somebody who blessed it. Um, or it's from Say lords in france. It's from a high energy or a vortex place. It's going to hold that energy as well And you can feel it some people are more sensitive can feel it when you hold that stone You hold it close to you. You'll like it. You'll feel drawn to it. You'll feel like yeah, that feels good It makes you kind of buzz and it's raising your vibration It's clearing out other people's energy and it's making you stronger in the areas that you need it So, um, I love it. I mean, I think part of it's kind of cheating. I say, you know, we do things that are Also, not good for us So like if I was to eat raw food all the time and work out all the time and be really healthy My aura would be better and I demonstrate this sometimes I like English tea And so I'll drink my tea with milk and I'll say do you think that do you think that's good for my energy? And I can actually test my energy and show you that it's really not good for me So I say I really should give up my English tea and maybe have green tea or I can just wear a bigger crystal That's great. I didn't realize that I didn't realize if there's something that your body doesn't resonate with That you can use a crystal to ameliorate or to neutralize that Yeah, so I mean look we all have little things like we have things that we eat They're not great for us. We pick up energy of other people that's not good for us You know, anytime we have a negative thought a negative feeling that's in our energy field If you have a fleeting negative thought, it's it's not a big deal It comes in it shuts down your chakra for a second And then it leaves but if you keep having negative thoughts over and over and I demonstrate this on stage too sometimes I'll I'll pick somebody out and I'll say something. I'll just kind of give them a little bit like I'm not sure that's right and all of a sudden the confidence gets shut down and the energy gets weaker Just for a second And then and then it'll come right back But if you're in a place where you're in a negative relationship, you're getting bombarded all the time or your work and you're getting bombarded at a time Or you've got financial problems or really I mean we've all got something going on And that builds up and builds up and builds up until it actually becomes more dense in your energy field Yes, right. And so let's parlay that the use we'll put the crystals aside There's another thing you do too Which is manifesting and I know you have this thing called the manifesting experiment So How can we reprogram our subconscious for abundance? How can we align? For a greater good greater thriving and I always like to say greater magic and miracles So we're here to have a wonderful prosperous Beautiful life and to be able to have experiences and to have experiences We need to have money to be able to do those experiences or to do good in the world People get stuck thinking You know, maybe it's not godly to have money. Maybe I don't deserve to have that So, you know, whatever we put out there in the universe, whatever our thoughts are is what's going to come back to us So naturally we're supposed to have this abundance in our life But people get stuck through karma Through what people have told them Where they start to think negative thoughts and as you start to think negative thoughts You're pushing it away. So we can manifest Whatever whatever we want whatever we think about whatever we're dreaming about but then Sometimes we block it. So it's like, yeah. Yeah. Yes. I want to I want to have a better job I want to have a better life. I want to have a new house I want to have this and as that thing starts to manifest to you as it comes closer something in your energy field says Oh, but I don't deserve that. Oh, I kind of thought that I can't have that That's for somebody else. And so we actually We block it as well from coming in And so, you know, that's a that's kind of I do a 30 day to prosperity I wrote a book about it and I have a have the course It's free online if you go to my site and you could take it and I do it every day And that actually came to me I say it was my first book that I wrote but I didn't really write it. I cheated Um, it just was kind of downloaded to me And it appeared on my computer I mean, obviously I had typos in it and things. So I had written it at some point But I don't know and remember how I did it And so that's why I think it works really well. And what it is It's a series of affirmations and meditations that you do every day for 30 days Just to reprogram your subconscious To say that I I deserve to have all the abundance in the universe And that it comes to me and that it comes to me easily without me having to work hard for it And that I am just an abundant being allowing it to come to me Yes, I learned something really big somewhere along in life and that is to stay out of the how Because I think how how am I going to get the money to do this? How is this going to come into my life? How is this going to all of that is the greatest blockage and instead of Just the the pure energy right of putting out and receiving and allowing all of that I just know miracles happen when we get out of the how When we try to manipulate it or create it like I must get I I want to do this thing I want to have the abundance to do this thing, but I must get it from I must get a raise at work Then you're telling the universe. I want to have this abundance, but I it can only come to me in this certain way Right, so yeah, we have to surrender to like this is what I want I'm going to put it out there and then I'm going to relax. I'm going to stop like Worrying am I going to get it? Am I not going to get it? How am I going to get it? I need to get it this way You know so yeah, exactly We have to stop worrying about the how and just trust that the universe does provide for us I mean how many times is it like Oh, I need this. I need this and then right the last minute you get just enough of what you needed, right? So the universe, you know, it does take care of us, but sometimes we only get just what we've asked for because that's all we've asked for So we have to be a lot more open to You know receiving what it is that we want However, it's going to come to us and not be so worried about how it's going to come to us Yes It definitely lifelong lesson. It's not it's not like I'm sitting here going. Oh, well, it just happens so easily for me I mean it's easier said than done Right, and I think you know like anything it's a muscle, right? Once you get into the flow of abundance and you start seeing how it gets Magnetized and how it comes to you. I mean there's always higher levels, but There's more knowing there. There's more understanding of how to be how to attract and all of that And so this is a free Course, I think you said or a free a book with affirmations and meditations and that's at gale factory Dot com. I took the book and I made it into a a course So it's I do it recorded every day so you can just go on there and you can watch the recordings and And do the meditation the affirmation along with me and it's every day for 30 days beautiful you also talk about charisma and you know Charisma is really important I want to walk in a room and have everybody they don't have to understand but You know feel that magnetism for me. I want to have that on my show I want to have that when I speak from stage or when I sing etc So I looked up the word because I think you know the etymology of words is so interesting And it says charisma means charm allure personality magnetism So is it possible to develop charisma? And if so, how? It is but you know when people think of charisma they think a lot of like uh Almost like an external Like showing and I think charisma is much more about when you're really in your life purpose Loving what you do following your life path And kind of just being on what you're supposed to be doing People have this automatic charisma Because you when you're when you're truly passionate about what your life purpose is and you're following that that purpose And you're doing that thing you automatically you're just you know glowing and attracting and So to me charisma is when you really just focus on what it is that you're passionate about Figuring out what your life purpose is it usually has some element of serving people helping people Bring in your gifts to the world when you're living in that really bringing your gifts to the world And it's hard. It's hard to stay on your life purpose and not get distracted But you know if you can do a little bit more on Your meditation you practice on what am I supposed to be doing? Allowing that to be in my life. I want more of that in my life I want to I don't I'm just gonna allow spirit to Show me the way and open the doors and pay attention to those doors opening and the more that you do that And you're on your life purpose and you're doing the thing you're passionate about and you're serving and helping people That you're in your charisma People are looking at you like wow. I want some of that And so it's kind of an energetic thing. It's not it's not an external showing it or how do I you can't really fake it It's like a light from within that comes out. Isn't it exactly? Yeah, yeah, and it's very attractive when somebody comes in and is like that It it makes no matter what they look like on the outside It is there's something inside and I know people like that It's just and it's wonderful to be around them. Yeah. Yeah, and we all have that It's just we get we get off track and you know if you can bring yourself back and Do so if you're not sure what your life purpose is do some meditation on you know, what do I? What do I really enjoy doing? What would I do? What would I and some usually it's through how you make money? But sometimes it's not through a hobby or something But I have a book about finding out what your life purpose is But it's you know, it's about doing some exercise on some some Really digging deep on what what makes you tick? What are the things you've done you're excited about things you do if you didn't have to do it If you didn't have to work for a living what what makes you what do you feel like you're serving people helping people You know, you know for you it's expressing and teaching people and sharing knowledge with the world It's your life purpose. Yeah. Thank you. So you're glowing you're on your best when you feel like you're doing that and it's just Comes natural you feel like you're allowing it and then you do get charisma You do get following you do like get people coming going. Oh, that's really interesting I really enjoy that people resonate to you because you're on your life purpose. You're on your path Yeah, thank you so much. That's beautiful and what I'm teaching is actually changing You know, uh, it's very interesting because as I follow my curiosity and curiosity in life It also shows up here on the show And as I follow that and I learn more and you know, all of these times with people like you It's like a masterclass to me and I'm incredibly grateful for the connection and the information and the wisdom And then it you know things start changing and then there's something else for me and then I get opportunities and It's it's amazing. Yeah, it's not always the same saying people think I like because it's like always doing the one thing it changes but it's The the theme of it is that you enjoy sharing the knowledge you enjoy Um, it's not teaching. It's more like I'm I'm showing I'm sharing and I'm being What I want people to understand and when you're really in that zone It's magic people are really drawn to it Totally. Well, you're magic and I know you're going to be speaking February 2024 conscious life expo in Los Angeles So I know it's early But what do you have a sense? You'll be talking about anything that you want to share about that event for you Actually coming up a little quicker. I'm going to be in brockland for the new life expo on January sorry on October 26 So that's coming up in a couple weeks I never even heard of that. So new life Life in New York. Yeah, it's usually in New York. New York, but this time they're going to do it in brockland Fun new like expo calm and then that's a big one too. And then the conscious life in February The conscious life expo calm um Yeah, I'm going to be I'm going to be sharing some of this This spiritual healing I'm going to be teaching people how to do that because I think a lot of people Want to learn how to be able to do it themselves How to be able to raise their energy and tap in their self get on the life purpose To me once you tap into that energy, it's all available to you Whether you want to do readings whether you want to do healing Whether you want it for your own just your own whether you're in business and you just want to raise your own intuition uh The other thing I talk about is a little bit about past lives. I think a lot of our trauma is Coming from past lives. So some of the karma some of the patterns we're working on If we can't really explain why we have something in this lifetime often it comes from past lives So I'm going to be talking about past lives And also something I find interesting is jumping timelines So for instance, I've noticed us say somebody comes and they're like, oh, I have a problem in my shoulder I can't move my shoulder And as as we do spiritual healing I see that there's a timeline We have thousands of timelines all around us. They're just like a millisecond off And I'll see a timeline that everything else is the same But now that the arm is healthy and we'll jump timelines So spiritual healing will allow them to jump a timeline to a new timeline So let's say you're off, uh, you know, you're you've you've got a pattern of having no financial abundance Or you've got a pattern of negative relationships or you've got a physical issue Um, we're looking at how do we switch to a timeline or how do we manifest or create that timeline to come to you So how do we bring that timeline into existence? So we keep we keep manifesting timelines with these problems with these negative patterns How do you get on a timeline where you're on your sole purpose on your sole purpose everything is perfect And to to bring that into alignment for you. Yeah, that's intriguing. That's really intriguing that you can connect somebody I I would think that If somebody put cold together, I have this issue emotionally this issue with relationships this issue Whatever they may be right for example That if you could connect them with the various timelines where these all worked Oh works get a timeline that's got all the everything working Have you done this for yourself? I've just noticed it and as I'm doing healing for people when I've done the healing that that are you know I've noticed a timeline that's just you know, it's a better timeline for them that move them and shift them into And it appears like it's miraculous healing because I like all of a sudden like oh my arm doesn't work. Oh my gosh, my arm works So it's miraculous. Oh that pain I had is just gone. It's just gone. It was never there Yeah, because you're on a completely different timeline and I don't think people really talk about that very much So I'm gonna talk a little bit about that. How do we consciously bring you into your timeline? Nice very nice. Okay. Well gail. This is dear to dream. So what are you next dear to dream? What are your future dreams and goals? Um, well, I just love sharing this. I'm excited to you know, keep getting downloads on what I should what I should talk about and how to How to get that message across to people and share that with people So thank you so much for letting me on this show and being able to share Yes, I've loved getting to know you so so much. So I won't be a stranger If the next time I see you is in february I'll come up and say hi and then folks can get find you at your name gail thakr a y dot com. That's the best place Yep, that's it. Just go to my website. I've got all kinds of freebie stuff on there Um, we've got the manifesting program on there for free and some other things and then I'll have some info about where I'm gonna be Beautiful. Thanks so much so much. It's been a pleasure Thank you And I end today's show with this quote from mark twain. Stay away from those people who try to disparage your ambitions Small minds will always do that But great minds will give you a feeling that you can become great too Subscribe to this number one transformation conversation. Dear to dream with debbie dashinger Leave a comment share. I read them all and if you're listening to us on podcast And you would like to see gail. You would like to see the dogs come over to youtube.com slash debbie dashinger Also spotify has us on video Next week on the show. I am featuring the amazing guest Mark anthony. He's a famous medium and psychic lawyer. This is going to be so much fun this conversation Thank you so much for joining us on dear to dream remember to turn all your dreams into your reality