 Hi, so I'm Nancy. I'm going to be the one giving the talk on accessibility. If you can't hear me I'm sorry in advance. Please just yell at me and I will pick up the mic and actually use the mic Otherwise, I'll just try not to use the mic So anyways, we are going to be talking about accessibility a quick thing about me Just so you know, you know that I'm a real person I live in Atlanta and I have two dogs and their name karma and Kazi and they're cute and adorable And I do work with automatic. I just started a few months ago. I work with jetpack So if you see me, you'll see me at the table downstairs right at the base of the staircase and And I also run a company called misfit ideas. We do video production stuff short movies and advertisements and things like that So, all right, so we're gonna start with can you guys see this well enough? Is this like bright enough or no? Okay So we're gonna start with something that you guys have hopefully seen at least once So this is the the schedule for word camp Asheville, right? It's it's pretty and and adorable and everything and so in terms of accessibility The first thing that generally comes to mind is colorblindness, right? That's a fairly common thing that people talk about when they talk about accessibility So if you were gonna be looking at this website, and you had color the most common form of colorblindness, which is called I'm gonna screw this up. Do you turn or do you terror not Pia? We're gonna pretend. I say that said that correctly And so basically it's red and green color blindness. It's the most common kind I'm a lot of like 8% of males have it in any varying form, right on the range So this is what you would see if well, you can't really see at that Well, this is what you'd allegedly see if if you if you had any form of color blindness So when you look at this first slide, you can see these colors that are you know They're noting what you're looking at and you can say oh the light green one. That's the one that I'm looking at So this is just a very small thing. It's not that it's illegible entirely It's not that you can't you know read the site or anything But it's something to keep in mind that when you have blue and green color blindness things sort of Blend together, you know, they sort of just Merge together and that's something to keep in mind in terms of contrast So the next one. All right, so we're just gonna do a few examples at first So you guys can kind of see what like have pictures in your head for what I talk about later So this is for a word camp Barcelona and it's really pretty. It's a it's a very like it's a very nice looking site The problem is is that it uses pink as its only Indication of something to look at right so if you look at grass Yes, it's highlighted, but the only thing that highlights it is its color so if you have color blindness, that's what you see and Nothing is actually really prominent at that point right and sure There's different levels of color blindness and you might see it a little bit more But it's a thing to keep in mind in terms of contrast when you're thinking about putting together color profiles for sites as a Designer or if you're developing a site and you just have that in mind you can recommend to people Hey, well people might not be able to see this and it might not even be color blindness It could just be people are hard of seeing right if you're older and you have you just don't see contrast as well if you're just doing it if you're just focusing on one way to Highlight something you have a single point of failure basically because that means that if somebody can't see color Then they'd have no reason to really be focused on the thing that you want them to focus on But that doesn't mean that red is bad. I'm not saying like never use red or anything So like for word camp main red is obviously very prominent Kind of obviously my slides are up if you check out If you want to see this a little bit more clearly I do have I posted the slides about an hour ago on Twitter And you guys can look at it through your computers if that's easier And so they use red as their main color and you're like, oh crap red is bad Well, not really because if you look at it like this and you take out all of the red They're still they're still distinction between the two colors. So that kind of I mean, I'm a little Repeating myself, but it's a lot about just making sure that there's contrast within whatever you are highlighting so if you have red then have something that's not green because red and green will merge together and No one will be able to read anything so and this example so This is for word camp Montreal and they use purple and this gold kind of color And if you look at it with With color blindness It doesn't look really any different if you if you look at it really really closely There's a bit of green that fades away. That's in the first image it's a little less contrasting but It's basically still completely legible and whatever is highlighted is still remains highlighted So things to keep in mind now the whole point of accessibility So Tim Brenner's Lee is kind of a big deal. He sort of created the World Wide Web and everything So this is a quote The power of the web is in its universality Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect So the point of the internet is to try and make it accessible for anyone, right? It doesn't matter matter whether you're rich or poor or blind or not You know it should be available to anyone that wants access to the content of the internet so it's even gone so far as the UN states it as a basic human right Web accessibility especially in this day and age because everyone uses the web in some form or another Should be a basic human right and just because you are hard of hearing or you can't see or you know Whatever shouldn't be something that blocks you from using the internet so Basically, this means that if you actually have and it's not saying that web accessibility or all of these different things That I'm going to talk about you have to incorporate every single thing or you're not a good human being It just means that these things will help you help people, right? If you have a business then you want it to be accessible to the most amount of people, right? You don't want to just like cut off 20% of the human race to be like well sucks to be you But we're just going to do it our way As a business owner one would think that you'd want as large an audience possible And it like I said it doesn't mean you have to do everything But even if you incorporate one thing that that helps it's one step forward So basically if you do start incorporating these sorts of things and you have Potential clients and you have worldwide users and ultimately that means that you have a more accessible internet as a whole I See like lots of blank faces, and I'm a little afraid to go keep going Everyone with me. Okay. All right, cool Okay, so facts These are Well, just statistics 20 million but there are 20 million blind adults in the United States It's not a completely like fully accurate fact because that number will continue to change as population screw But basically and about 10% of the of the blind US Americans will use screen readers. I'm hoping that the ceiling doesn't fall in my head Yesterday a ceiling fan almost fell in my head, so I'm a little there's a little bit of PTSD on that one And 8% of men are Blind and point 5% of women are colorblind, so sorry colorblind and colorblind, and so these might seem like Smallish numbers, or you know, you might think well, what's what's 8% But there's a lot of other reasons you to look into web accessibility other than just well Someone is blind that sucks to be you but do not think that I don't think that either There's a recording, so I don't want people to say that But so basically like the most common form is the word that I cannot pronounce but basically when yeah, so 8% is of the human of Americans of the 300-ish million 8% are colorblind give or take so a Normal like normal human eyesight sees the entire color spectrum, right? So it's the one on the left you see, you know red yellow green blue But if you have color blindness then Or the most common form you see blue and you see this Goldish greenish color of whatever that color is called And so basically just it just merges all of the colors into two, right? So red and green are opposite on the color spectrum, but you can see how they sort of So green is in the top left and then red is in the bottom right and it sort of merges into this like goldish color In the earlier slide examples, there was a bit of that you could kind of see it like the red became that like goldish puke color So yeah, so anyways, there's like I said, there's a lot more than just Color blindness as a disability and why you should think about web accessibility So there's auditory cognitive neurological physical and visual Auditory is well hearing so if you guys are thinking about various sounds on your websites, right? Some people put music or various sound effects on their sites Again looking at that as not just one single point of failure So if you are going to use sound for some sort of effect then make sure that you have Like if you have a video then you have captioning or some sort of in the other indication other than just sound So people can know that something's happening for cognitive neurological That's a bit of it is you can't really help that right? You have to make sure that other people the the people are using various types of products to help them But like for example dyslexia is a fairly common thing and there's various types of fonts You can use that at least help to make sure that people when they're reading it don't it doesn't trigger dyslexia as strongly There are there's a there is a font called dyslexic I believe and it just came out and you can use something that's really really specific like that But even using something like aerial versus a really swirly font Can help a lot in terms of when people are reading so they don't you know know they actually know what they're reading And then in terms of physical things so a lot of people will use Various if they have little hand motion for example, and they can only move their fingers And so they don't have a mouse and things like that so they'll use an arrow key And so if they if they use that then you know making sure that if you're using like JavaScript on your site Then make sure that it's it's not just so convoluted And it's not so layered that people can't interact with the site with arrows Right and visual is things like colorblindness, but also just if you can't see it all then you're gonna be using a screen Reader for example the easiest way to know what it feels like to use a screen reader if you I'm not sure for for windows, but for max there's a thing called voiceover and you can turn it on with a couple of shortcuts and If you turn it on and you go to a page have it read with voiceover and it is Fairly annoying to read a website with voiceover I I did it for about 30 minutes this morning to try and like I was thinking I would just you know play it for You guys, but I didn't want to subject you to that But it just basically if you it's reading everything that's on the page So if it's not organized or structured in any sort of Recognizable way it'll just be reading gobbly gook right it'll just like go because it starts at the top of the page And goes down it doesn't know that oh well I I wanted you guys to look on the left side of the screen and then the bottom right of the screen and then The top right corner and you know like because visually you would say alright Well, I can say let's look at the red thing in the bottom left corner And then let's look in the middle of the screen and then you know like guide the eye Right, but if you do that with a screen reader the screen reader is not gonna know that so it's just gonna read top down And if you guys have questions in the middle just feel free to raise your hand by the way So things that people use assistive technologies that are fairly common so there's Braille displays that people can Use which I think are really fascinating because you actually can feel you have to feel Braille And so you can read a website using a Braille reader screen readers text the speech Voice browsers voice recognition keyboard navigation all these different things are fairly common things that people will use Screen readers are one of the most common ways that people use to interact with websites so these are a couple of things to just be in in Just know about because they exist and you know just know that they exist And so what makes the website accessible and how can you know if yours is accessible? Because that's kind of the whole point of this talk right So there's things like type of content size and complexity Development tools and environment so we're gonna break them down a little bit more so What makes the website accessible? Things like wow that is not legible. Okay Intuitive navigation properly labeled links and images and user-friendly design aesthetics Those are fairly common things that you should be thinking about anyways when you're creating a website, right? You want people to even if you're not thinking about accessibility at all You want it to be legible and you want people to be able to understand What your site is doing and what the point of it is and you know point them guide them in the direction You want them to go right and all of these things mean that people will Will engage with your content more? It's You want people to stay on your site if you're thinking about SEO, right? You're thinking about click-through rates you're thinking about all these other things So if you create a site that is pleasant to visit and it's not you know 70 different colors and lots of images and like it's just it's a gobbledygook of craziness People aren't gonna want to stick around because they won't understand what's going on So it's just even something as simple as organizing your site and making sure that there's The navigation makes sense, right? I see a lot I see this a lot I used to make websites for various clients and I saw this a lot in larger sites It gets the larger the site gets the harder it is to manage and organize But that's something to really keep in mind because if you don't have it organized in such a way that makes sense Or that's a fairly common use practice People won't know how to engage for example I we did a site for a nonprofit that had give or take 500 pages. That's a lot But their main navigation just their parent pages were so convoluted that it didn't really make sense Why there was an about page that wasn't near the home page. It was and then the The board members weren't in the about they were over there in like contact and you know things like that like It's fairly simple, but just something to keep in mind Even as something as simple as organization so What can you do? So there's things like Content formats so like I'd mentioned before about videos if you're using videos then have Different ways to engage with the videos You don't just have to see it to understand what's going on You can they explain it or if you don't have to hear it to know what's going on you can read something, right? And then presentation Distinguishing visual content and providing ways to understand audio content So basically just when you are showing it don't just have hidden surprises basically For example, a lot of sites will have music playing when you visit them, which is Thankfully going out of date, but it does still happen, but there's no way to turn it off like Other than just turning your volume off on your speakers entirely just don't make it don't make users guess how to use your site It should be fairly obvious unless it's you know, I guess like a Nancy Drew game then make them guess But other than that don't do that So what are some things that you can use to figure out what the sites that you're using right now that you're building that you've built before These are different tools that you can use they're all links So if you do visit the site or visit the slideshow then you'll be able to click on them and visit their respective homepages But these are different tools that you can use to evaluate whether your site is accessible in different ways So the examples from the beginning of this the slideshow was I use Chrome spectrum It's a new extension that Chrome just introduced or a developer introduced for Chrome a little while ago And so what it does is it gives you a list of I believe seven different Colorblindnesses and so you can see just and it's a very quick and easy way to just see all right this page Does it make sense does it not make sense are things merging together or not? It's only specifically for colorblindness and but It is a really handy quick way to see what's going on The other all the other tools color Oracle is a lot more Intensive it provides a lot more ways to see what you're doing right in terms of accessibility Same goes with wave and web accessibility checker a checker, etc. So yeah, so why do this at all? It's you know, not necessarily the easiest thing to do or implement into your site so basically this is a fancy picture that I found on the internet and It it explains things a lot better than I can Basically when you start using accessibility accessible features, right? If you start making your site accessible then if as a designer then as developer then a developer will have to start implementing it Right, and if developer has to start implementing it Then people will start offering those services more and if they're offered more just on a wide wider basis Then people will design it more because it's kind of an expected thing Right, it's it's a cycle of like as one thing starts like the dominoes start falling You know and it just becomes like the cycle of well, it's available. So I should use it rather than I don't want to use it Whatever people aren't using it blah blah blah. Does that make sense? Yeah nodding maybe okay? And this is a little bit more Intensive it's basically the same cycle but what it what it talks about is that so all of these different things are coming together and There's a lot of pieces that make up a website, right? There's a lot that goes on even if you were just taking a theme and you're just putting content in just making sure everything works with your content, right? and so Putting like just keeping all of these things in mind It helps a lot It sounds really dorky, but it really does help to just have that on On hold and you can always just like pull it up and be like alright. Well, I'm using these like these media things Are they actually gonna work or are they just like overkill and I'm just you know being too fancy and it's not working But yeah anyways benefits for others So web accessibility like I keep saying is more than just colorblindness or you know heart of scene It helps. It's connected to so much more. So web standards are you know people have these have web standards that are set up to say alright Website should follow these guidelines right accessibility is one of them, but it helps with all these other things. So digital divide issues People not everyone uses digital things, right? And they're introduced for example, my parents have had flip phones forever And they just got smartphones about three months ago So they went from just calling me and they don't even text like I've taught them to text several times But they don't text and they went straight from calling me to FaceTiming me and so they only FaceTiming now It's it's adorable, but it's like whoa. That was a big leap They sometimes send pictures now They've sort of gotten into that but they don't like texting right because it's We're from India and so they don't like typing in English and Gujati's not really you know It's hard to do that. So they don't like typing. They'll send voice messages. They'll you know call me They will they will do everything but they won't type so it's things like that when you're dealing with different cultures or different age groups Like my ten-year-old cousin can take apart a phone and put it back together And he's way more of a whiz than I will ever be All the way to my like my grandmother learning to FaceTime as well It's cute and adorable, but it's a very you can see the wide range of people Mobile access so the last time I read this is the statistic was that 55% of the world That uses the internet uses it on a mobile device So sure it's not just phones, but it's tablets It's you know any sort of mobile device, but that's something to keep in mind when you're building a site Google like I mean did implement the whole if you don't have a mobile responsive site Then you're gonna get penalized and that I guess helps kind of but just keeping that in mind because some people still don't really care But if you if you know that at least half of your audience is going to be on a mobile device Then you I would hope want the people to have an easy time accessing your site, right? Even if it's something as simple as just For example using a plug-in that just makes the site mobile responsive. That's not the best way I don't highly recommend that but at least with the step up then just you know seeing everything in like One centimeter tall text that you can't read and you know all of that sort of stuff Older users needs keeping that in mind as Populations grow also do the older generations the number of people in older generations Keeping that in mind that it's not just really simple to just have this really flashy site that works for 20 year olds You need to make sure that it works for all ages low literacy fluency Different if there is a language barrier of some kind then keeping that in mind that it's not just a wall of text for example Low bandwidth connections and older technology that sort of goes back to the mobile technology a lot of people will use it on cell phones Right, they might not have as much access or internet access And etc. Etc. New and frequent users and mobile phone users So having said all of that what's in it for me we've talked, you know about what's in it for everyone else But why should you do it anyways if you don't really care about all of that either? So does it matter how accessible your content is if nobody ever finds it? So you've done, you know, you've made the site. It's beautiful. It's gorgeous But if no one can find it then what's the point of all the hard work? So it kind of goes back to this slide from earlier is that you know if you if you put all of these things together That will help people find and stay on your site But there's things like accessibility can help so much with SEO And that's something that I've often gotten gotten questions for I have the site. It's beautiful. Why is no one visiting it? And that's a that's a huge topic that I could in no way cover in in my talk alone But it's one thing that accessibility can help with a lot So for example alt tags. Have you have you guys heard of alt tags? Yes, okay So alt tags are like a really really simple way to incorporate accessibility into your sites because an alt tag So what we see is this guy holding, you know grapes. It's cool. It's a pretty picture Whatever and the image say the image file is called grapes dot jpeg, right? That's I mean kind of Descriptive sort of right, you know, it's great, but you don't know the context of what the grapes are So if you put in an alt tag that says a man holding a bundle of grapes Then that helps with context of the image because that means that if somebody is searching on Google for an image of a man holding Grape that's going to be much more likely to show up than any other image that just says grapes that jpeg Right, but it also helps with screen readers that helps You know just hearing grapes that jpeg is not necessarily very helpful unless you have a ton of context around it But if you hear that, okay, it's a man holding a bunch of grapes then okay You can at least sort of understand contextually a little bit more of what's going on on the page Obviously a very simple example, but you guys get the gist of it So you can't read that I'm sorry This is just a it's a list of things that you guys can do as you know, try to make your site more accessible Whether it's for various disabilities or it's for SEO purposes so I I can try and read them that might be more helpful providing a clear and Providing clear and proper heading structure and avoiding empty headings. So That's a little self-explanatory Providing descriptive text link. So instead of this is one really big thing a lot of people use click here Click here is great for people to know to click here But if they don't know what they're clicking on then it's just another click here tag And that's it and that doesn't give any sort of context. It's helpful for screen readers But it's really helpful for just knowing what's on the page because if Google is indexing your site And you just say click here 30 times They won't know anything about what your site's about But if you say you know check out my awesome images of Yosemite then That at least you know Google will know at least that's something to do with Yosemite and pictures Ensuring page titles are descriptive yet succinct keep them short if at all possible But make them descriptive try it like I mean an about page is pretty descriptive But if you have a blog post right try and keep the title short But try and also you know don't stuff it full of keywords, but make it descriptive as well Not relying on on JavaScript for things that don't need it That's another big thing JavaScript is pretty and it's beautiful and it's awesome But you don't necessarily need it at all times And just keeping that in mind Avoiding mouse-dependent interaction it goes back to if anyone's using a keyboard for any reason If you have to scroll or you have to like move your mouse pointer around then you should be you know That's not necessarily the easiest way to get around on the website Using standard web formats when possible that goes to web standards and just reading up on that There's a great document, and I'm gonna link to it and at the end But it it talks about web standards in a totality just it's not it's not boring I promise he actually you know uses entertaining language But it's it's it's kind of long and but it just you know defines all these different web standards as they are Kind of today's it was published a few months ago And so he breaks down alright, so web standards is a thing now. What the hell is web standards? Sorry, what the heck is web standards? And so it just breaks down what they are and then accessibility is a part of it But it's not the whole whole shebang of the article and it just explains alright So there's different groups of people that it helps, but why why should you care about web accessibility? you should you should care about it because People you should also care about it because of software right if you if you start incorporating these different things It's gonna help your site Do better in search engine that's gonna it's just gonna make it a better Happiest happier site in general All right Do you guys want me to go through all of these or would you guys like to yeah go ahead? That's a great question. I don't remember the name of the author, but I do link to it and in the next slide So yeah, sorry about that guys. I should know this I Can keep going through all of these or if you guys have questions? I don't want to just like keep talking at you I'd much rather you guys, you know talk and move around and stuff Sure, yeah So okay For calendars, I found that like if you list list them or provide a different way to view the calendar a Lot of people will have like a print friendly calendar or something, right? But if you have a print friendly calendar, then you need to define it as well because if it's just a PDF Then you still can't read it and so There's different like you can I've seen like the best uses that I've seen have been if you have the different views right you can see like the calendar and for like Regular people that are view visiting the site. They can just you know hover and it'll be great But if you also allow for a different view of the calendar Even if it's something as simple as a list and you just go date by date and just break it down into like bullets of some kind That's even more helpful than just it's it's a little bit more work I know people don't want to hear that but it's not that much more work And it it does help a lot more than just hovering, you know Okay, I can keep going and you guys can interrupt. Does that work? Okay? So the next thing alright identify or sorry providing transcripts and captions for video I think this is like the third time I've said this but if you have a video, please caption it It's really easy And if you have if it's like a story that you've done if it's like a short film You already have the script like you just have to like time it and that's it Try not to use Google captioning services just yet because they will caption it entered in entertaining ways YouTube has a captioning service and it's great a lot of the time But I would if you do use it, please like check it before you publish it because sometimes it'll use as She knows it'll use entertaining entertaining ways of transcribing your language Yeah, you can so they want to make it better So they they love when people tell them you're wrong because then they know how to make that algorithm better to understand What people are saying because they don't understand all accents or they can't you know I talk really fast, so they probably can't understand me at all or if you guys can't tell me And so yeah, just they they are improving it. It's gotten vastly better when it first was introduced It was complete gobbly gook. There's this video that went semi viral on YouTube about people Captioning their video so they made like this music video and they captioned they used YouTube to caption it and then It was totally messed up and then they sang the video with the YouTube captions and then recaptured it and it messed it up even more and They did this like three or four rounds and by the end of it It was a complete mess like even like the a's and the does weren't a's and does anymore so yeah Keep that in mind Identifying the language of pages and page content This is obviously a little more important if you have an international audience But if you have different languages on your site and people aren't using Google Chrome for example to translate everything Then just indicating that hey, this is in English. This is in French. This is in Italian, etc Allowing multiple ways of finding content. So you can use like a search bar, which is great Also including something like a site map You should already kind of be doing that if you want Google to index your site anyways Table of contents or clear navigation structure All of these things are different ways to make sure that the the content on your site is structured Legibly it doesn't mean you have to use like, you know all five things but just keep those in mind Especially if your site is getting bigger For example, I have a photography site, right? So I have like a lot of images if I don't use some sort of organizing structure on it It's just a blog page of lots of posts and images and nothing else, right? So keeping that in mind, right? Providing useful links to related and relevant resources This kind of goes back to click here If you are linking to things try and describe what you're linking to try not to just use the url link either Because url links are often not descriptive in their own right, but if you do say, you know, you're linking to I don't know you're linking to google.com, right? If you say don't say click here say hey check out Google image search or something, right? You're using images.google.com Let's see ensuring URLs are human readable and logical I just keep Saying things before I need to say them So URLs are not necessarily legible and logical and you know, there's a lot of numbers and letters and stuff Try and change that so like for WordPress you can change your your permalink, right? You can just go in and say all right Well, I had this really long title and that was a mistake so I'm gonna trim it down and change it Obviously make sure if you've already linked it to somewhere else you follow that that rabbit hole But just try and make sure that these links are not just you know numbers and letters or something Presenting a clear and consistent navigation and page structure that goes a little goes back to site maps or Navigation bars in general. It's really easy to put in a menu and there's a camera pointing right at me and so And so it's really easy to put in a menu right For WordPress, especially you just literally go to menu and you build one Try and make it logical try like you can you can Drag things to the right right and so you can like sub now do sub menus underneath things so you can Organize the content. It's really easy, especially with WordPress. You don't really have an excuse In presenting a clear and consistent nav Oh, no, I'm repeating myself Avoiding CSS and other stylistic markup to present content or meaning this goes back to like using just color Right for example to highlight something if you have something if you have a sale on your site and you just use red People might not see that right but if you use like you know like one of those pointy star things around Sail that's at least like one way to say alright. This is a sale versus, you know, just normal text on the page, right? Defining abbreviations and acronyms This kind of depends on what the content of your site is like if you are just a really tech heavy site Then you probably don't expect you like normal newbie tech people to visit your site So that's okay But just if you are introducing something try and not use abbreviations at least the first time around so people Even if it's a screen reader, they at least know the first time what the hell this meant. I'm just I'm gonna stop trying Have unique Have unique and relevant titles and meta descriptions. This goes goes into SEO, right? So if you have a title for a blog blog page try not to use that same title again if you are using for example Yoast SEO if you use the plugin and at the bottom after you've made your your post You can go in and you can define exactly what you want your meta description and your alt tag and etc etc to be And it's super handy because it's just right there and you kind of have no excuse to ignore it at that point But using those things it takes an extra five minutes when you're setting up the post or the page But it helps so much because it's you know, it helps if nothing else it helps on Google with Google finding your page So yeah, that's the entire list Feel free to read it without me too because it's important And so yeah, these are the resources you still can't read them, but they exist and They're they're really great. They're really good starting off points for what's going on And they're not all just like super techie, you know, like code heavy or anything like that I tried to keep this as not code heavy as possible Because just even knowing these things will help and you guys could always look up, you know How to write something and with whatever code. So yeah So for skip nav links, they are handy sometimes It it honestly depends on how much you have going on on the page that whether you want to even use them or not In terms of forms, I'm not sure How how exactly because like form reader or screen readers will read forms with just, you know They'll just read straight down so it won't make sense, right? It won't, you know, keep in line with like this line is this relevant piece of content for that, I Don't know what you can do for forms. Honestly if someone else does know Please feel free to shout it out and tell us all I've not actually It's interesting. I did I did a site for a client of several months ago and he had hundreds of pages of data and tables, but he He basically just because he had so many pages of content He kind of just gave up which is not a good answer at all But in terms of like he tried to make it accessible in other ways, even though the tables were he was His former developer had used tables to organize the content on his page Even though it wasn't content that needed to be organized within tables So a lot of times we were able to just like delete the table entirely but when it was words When it was words and actual content that needed to be in tables We ended up we did have descriptions of what's going on And so that way at least you know kind of know what's going on But we didn't we didn't solve that issue with screen readers specifically So I've only there's like 20 minutes left if people are hungry. That's cool, too. Yeah, definitely. Yeah It's it's surprisingly How large how many people use the internet is crazy, right? Even 10 years ago. It wasn't you know, it's growing all the time And it's not it's not just somebody that's colorblind and it's not just like people are stuck at home Sometimes they even it like they broke their leg and they're stuck inside Actually, I was talking to one of this one of the speakers last night and he had severe scoliosis growing up and so they basically had to like They stuck a bunch of metal in the spine And so he was out for a while But you know injuries can take you out for a few months But people are stuck for years because they're stuck and how else can they interact with the world other than Through the screen that they have so yeah, I totally agree That's like I wish I'd made that point because I heart I very much agree with just if you're stuck inside This is one way to not feel so stuck To abuse those tools And just use them for like marketing Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah, please don't stuff keywords, please please please That is such a good way to put it Definitely There's like there's Statistics of like how many people use screen readers, but I don't know of anything that tells you of your site Who read it via screen reader? I'm not sure that it's possible if someone else knows please tell yeah, sure so if you look at the second one and the third one They both the first one is the parent page and second one is one of the sub pages that's linked inside of it Both of them tell talk about web standards and accessibility and then the implementation plan which is One two three four the fifth one down is also really great in terms of web accessibility evaluation tools which I found really helpful just like looking at my own site The header image kind of becomes really blah when it's you know looked at with the screen reader or not screen with that color blindness So that helps a lot. It sort of gives you Ways to look at your site in ways that other people would be seeing your site But yeah, and I can pull up the article if you guys are interested in seeing it But that's that that is the end of my words coming out of my mouth at least