 It's time for the Lawn Gene Chronoscope, a television journal of the important issues of the hour brought to you every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a presentation of the Lawn Gene Wittner Watch Company, maker of Lawn Gene, the world's most honored watch, and Wittner, distinguished companion to the world-honored Lawn Gene. Good evening. This is Frank Knight. May I introduce our co-editors for this edition of the Lawn Gene Chronoscope? Larry Lasser from the CBS television news staff, and Thomas J. Hamilton, chief of the New York Times United Nations Bureau. Our distinguished guest for this evening is Sayed Anjadali, ambassador from Pakistan to the United States. Mr. Ambassador, yesterday, after a lot of preliminary rumors, President Eisenhower officially announced that we were going to grant military aid to your country. Now may I ask you why your country has requested this military aid? If you're familiar with the geography of my country, you know that, first of all, we are divided in two parts. In the west, we border Afghanistan, Iran, and China. There's a narrow tongue of about 60 miles which separates Pakistan territory from the Soviet Union. But if you go to Chitral, which is about 16,000 feet, you can see the lights of Mer, which is in the Soviet Union from Chitral. And on the east side, we border Burma, and again, not very far from China, communist China, and of course in between we have India. I know your country is very big. It's one of the largest in the world. I believe it's about the size of Texas and New York state put together. And I guess you have about 80 million people there. But I'd like to ask, how much money do you expect to get from the United States? And what will we get out of it? Will we get air bases in Pakistan? Well, as far as the money is concerned, we have no idea. And what we are requiring from the United States is equipment. A military mission will go out to Karachi and they'll go around military stations and they will assess what we require to equip the deficiencies of our armed forces, that is the army, the air force, and the Navy. So in terms of money, I couldn't give you an idea because after the assessment has been made, then again, the assessment would be more or less in arms and not in money. As far as bases is concerned, there's absolutely been no talk at any time about bases. Well, not your relations with India, Mr. Ambassador. I believe that the Prime Minister, Mr. Nehru, has already protested against this when it was first mentioned. Well, he has been protesting for the last three months. As you know, in this country, I've been reading the last three months protests from Prime Minister Nehru and from the newspapers of India. Our relationships have been sometimes good and sometimes not so good. I don't think there'll be any deterioration in our relationship. As a matter of fact, if you might have seen only this morning that the two Prime Ministers met accidentally at Delhi Airport and they took advantage of that opportunity and talked for about 15 minutes. So our relationships, as I said, I don't think they'll deteriorate. What about Kashmir? I believe you have quite a few disputes with India, but Kashmir is the most pronounced, I would say. Well, if I have an effect with this agreement with the United States, have an effect on the Kashmir dispute, do you think it has a better chance of it being settled? Well, Mr. Hamilton, actually you are in a better position to answer that question because this dispute has been seized by the United Nations and the Security Council for the last six years. This dispute has been argued year after year. We are no nearer solution today than we were when this dispute first came up in the United Nations. As a matter of fact, both countries have agreed to have a free and impartial plebiscite. Admiral Nimitz was chosen by both countries as the administrator, but he had been waiting the last three years to be put into position. So I, as far as that dispute is concerned, I think the position is that will remain as it is for some time. Then Mr. Narrow makes up his mind to have a free and impartial plebiscite. Mr. Ambassador, Moscow wasn't too pleased with those preliminary reports that you were going to ask for military aid from the United States. Now how do you think this is going to affect your relations with your neighboring communist states? Well, I think our relationship would be the same. They don't like this aid. But beyond that, I doubt very much if there will be any worsening of our relationship to what they are today. Mr. Ambassador, it was understood that this grant in aid, in military aid, was awaiting a treaty of alliance between you and Turkey, the other end of the Muslim crescent. Now, what effect will this have on your policies? Would you have joint policies now with Turkey? Well, as you know, the government of Turkey and the government of Pakistan have agreed to collaborate together in the fields of politics, economics and culture. And they are now negotiating a treaty which should bring these two countries nearer. We in Pakistan have a very soft corner for the Turks and we have a great deal of sentiment and a great deal of affinities with that country. So I hope that this treaty which is being negotiated would bring the two countries nearer together. The hope is that the other countries in that area would join in this collaboration so that we'll have Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Pakistan. But of course the choice is entirely the choice of those countries. And it's a voluntary collaboration. And if they come in, it will be better for the peace of the world because this kind of a collaboration is purely defensive. It's not against anyone. It's not pointed against any one particular country or a number of countries. Actually, I thought, Mr. Ambassador, that our agreement with you and your agreement with the Turks seemed to indicate a shift in the grand strategy of the free world. The free world is going to put its face line of defense, certainly, against a communist attack in the northern tier of states, Turkey, Iran and Pakistan. Do you think that strategy will wake? Do you think that the face line can be held? Yes, sir. If you have that alliance between the three states you mentioned, and if that alliance is strengthened, it could hold if there was aggression. But at the present moment, the collaboration which will come into effect very soon, I hope, is between Turkey and Pakistan. And as I hope the other countries come in, that certainly would add further strength. Iran, too. Certainly. Mr. Ambassador, as a British Dominion, of course, this will strengthen your relations, I presume, with the British Commonwealth. But how will it affect your relations with the rest of the Arab states and their relations and their attitude towards Israel, Suez Canal, and freedom of Tunisia and Morocco? Well, in the years, Mr. Hamilton knows, in the United Nations, we have been supporting the independence of Tunisia and Morocco, and we continue to do that. As far as the Suez Canal question is concerned, the part we have tried to play is to lend our good offices for a just and fair solution between the government of Egypt and the government in the United Kingdom. At one time, we thought that both countries were getting very near, and we hoped that they would be able to solve this question emicably. In regard to the other Arab countries, we are very friendly with them, and I hope that this new collaboration would not in any way affect that friendliness which we have for the Arab countries. Certainly, from our part, there would be no change. Mr. Ambassador, last autumn, you were the President of the United Nations Economic and Social Council, and you lent some very useful efforts towards guiding the Council in its work, towards helping the underdeveloped countries of the world. But that was economic aid, and what you are to get now from the United States is military aid. Do you feel these are reconcilable? Yes, sir. I think they are reconcilable in this way. When at the independence of Pakistan, the main reservoir of equipment was what is today India, and we were to get our due share from India of our equipment. We got very little, and the rest was held by India, so we had to make that deficiency by purchasing that equipment from the governments of the United Kingdom and the government of the United States, and we have been purchasing every year. Even now, there is some equipment which is on its way to Pakistan. Now, all this equipment is bought from our foreign exchange earnings, and if we get economic military aid, we will be able to divert some of that money to others. I see. As a final question may I ask you, what effect do you think this new alliance, so to speak, with the United States will have on Pakistan and perhaps its attitude towards the United States, sir? Well, as you know, my country is extremely friendly with the United States. We received 700,000 tons of wheat last year, which brought the two countries very much closer because this was a great act of generosity and part of the people of the United States. So this friendliness, I think, will be strengthened further with this military aid going to Pakistan. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Ambassador. I'm privileged to have you here tonight. Thank you, sir. The opinions you've heard our speakers express tonight have been entirely their own. 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