 in that food that one is consuming, then one manifests with an outlook of a good nutrition. Now, in terms of manifestations of inadequate nutrition or bad nutrition, usually there is a lack of those components. Carbohydrates usually is available in large numbers, putting sometimes an issue, whether you're getting from plant origin or from animal origin, fats, they're good fats and they're bad fats, depending on how they're prepared and the source. And of course, the egg that normally has a big issue is the issue of minerals that come from the nutrients. We have what we call trace elements, like magnesium, iron, zinc, selenium. These components, when there's a deficiency of these minerals, small amounts that come from the soil, then increasingly we then see people manifesting with item and nutrition, of course the solid protein or with other deficiencies, especially related to what we call non-communicable diseases, like the deities, like potensions on the cancers. And of course, as I said earlier on, for some people because of this imbalance, they manifest the consumption of more carbohydrates with obesity. That's weight gain and then they become overweight. And then from overweight, they indeed proceed to be more obese. And when they are obese, there's a measurement of what we call an imbalance from taking it around that, then they oftentimes manifest with other diseases that we call non-communicable diseases, like the diabetes, the blood pressures, the cancers, and many others. So for children, mostly their kind of nutrition is where they lack mostly protein and they manifest with malnutrition of all protein lack. But we are seeing more and more, Hillary, that the bigger issue right now, almost double, is the issue of these children not only having less or consume more carbohydrates, but also lacking these minerals, these two nutrients. So you find that children are not only malnourished in terms of weight and height, but they are also manifesting, unfortunately, with diseases of non-communicable diseases, like diabetes at an age of below 10. So is it becoming more and more complex with the age generation? The challenges are bigger and we need to create more awareness so that they are aware on how to shift back to healthy foods. Yes. Thank you. Now, when COVID-19 came, there were so many myths around what could cure it, including some lemons, we were told, and some concoction of ginger and ore view. Since it was believed to be some common cold then that it translates to being the pneumonia or extreme pneumonia. And people tried really so much to dwell on warm water and lemon, making the lemons now to increase their prices. And now, at the same breath, we have seen the Ministry of Health trying to come up with some guidelines for the nutrition. Now, speaking of COVID-19 and the nutrition that we should be having, what really do we need? Is it what we're being told by people on social media now that you're a doctor? Please tell us what we should be eating to prevent us from maybe getting COVID-19 or to help us fight COVID-19 for that case. Very, very pertinent, very pregnant question. I will try and be as clear and as simple as I can be. Firstly, there is no such thing as a cure for COVID-19 because COVID-19 is a viral disease of the respiratory system, as you have said correctly, that is in the family of flus. So, yes, I can say emphatically that COVID-19 is a flu. It is nothing else other than a flu. Let's get that very clear. The only difference is that COVID-19 is a more severe form of flu virus. That's why COVID-19 actually is a coronavirus disease of the year 2021. COVID-19 is an acronym for coronavirus disease that occurred in the year 2019 and has COVID-19 all in place. Having said that, one key ingredient that all viruses, as we know, respond to is a strong and robust immune system. We can therefore provide certain supportive foods and nutrients that can help improve or boost or enhance one's natural defense systems, aka the immune system. So, COVID-19, good people, please understand, has everything to do with where the immune system is functioning at optimum level. If the immune system is functioning at optimum level, even if you get an infection of COVID-19, the likelihood of you having very minimal effects, in fact, that's what we call asymptomatic carriers, is what's manifesting and you can see most of those who get infected recover, often because the immune system is up to date. Now, what makes this immune system up to date? This is where the lemons come in because they have high levels of vitamin C. This is where other fruits that have high vitamin C come in, not just lemons, but also lime, oranges, mangoes, most fruits have vitamin C, guavas, moringa, moringa is one plant, one has actually more than almost five times the amount of vitamin C than lemon. But you know, it is true, it's not a fact, it's not a fallacy. Yes, the lemon is because of vitamin C, but also they have the components that come in and are eaten. The garlic, some people are mixing the lemon with garlic. What is in garlic? Garlic has powerful antiviral and viral killing properties. So the combination of lemon, garlic, ginger also is part of that combination. What is in ginger? Ginger is a strong, powerful immune modulator. It regulates and brings into balance the immune system. As you can see, all these have an effect towards that direction. Then sometimes people mix with turmeric, the red tube that has grown. Turmeric is a strong antioxidant and anti-inflammatory. When you get any infection, the killing of infections, there is inflammation in your body, system trying to fight the enemy. And as a result causes swelling, pain and discomfort. So tumour comes in. And then finally, some people add honey to taste. Honey is powerful, anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and indeed also supports the immune system. So when the combination of these foods are consumed together with certain foods that contain high amounts of zinc, like pumpkin, pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds. Those things are also valuable in meat, you know, in Yamachama, depending on the quality of the Yamachama again, and in cheese and dairy products. So this combination of good people is not a fallacy. This is what we call supportive therapy that helps the body build its own immune system by giving it nutrients. As I said, these components are nutrients that help to improve, in some cases, boost the immune system. Such that when the virus comes into your system, it finds a system that's ready to fight and reduce the effects of COVID-19. So I can say very emphatically that yes, yes, yes, those foods are not a fallacy. People are not stupid. The reason why they take the lemons a lot is because those who have taken those concussions, of course, with a lot of rehydration, have seen themselves improving and having less severe symptoms of COVID-19. And just to clarify on live TV, when you get infected with a virus or a bacterium, it's how your body responds that determines whether you're going to get sick or not. So you can have a virus in your body, which we call an infection, and not have any symptoms of disease. This is why most cases have been found to be COVID positive. They didn't even know themselves. They did have a cough, they don't have a flu, and if they did, they're very mild symptoms. Yeah, so we call them asymptomatic even. Most of them recover like any flu, because as I said earlier on COVID-19 is a flu. And of course, unfortunately for those whose immune system is weak from diseases like diabetes, blood pressure, cancer and so on, which we call comorbidities, then they have a higher chance of COVID changing from an infection to a disease. That's very key to convert from the disease, which is just positive to an infection to a disease condition. And then of course, a few of them unfortunately progress on to have severe disease and they die. Thank you. All right. Thank you, doctor, for clarifying. Less than a minute. I would like you in the same breath, give us the challenges. Mention just one challenge that you have been facing in trying to advocate or to create awareness in terms of the nutrition, how people should be feeding, and maybe the possible solution to the challenges that you have faced at the same time, giving us your final recommendations as you wind up. Thank you. Thank you very much, Hillary. Thank you very much indeed. I wish I had more time, but let me put it this way. The key challenges are that we, for a long time, for some reason, who have been given this impression that the so-called modern foods, the cakes, the high sugar, the high salt, the mandalas, the chapatis, the wheat products, basically what I call processed food is a better food. It's been associated with class, the middle class. They eat at the javas, they eat the pizzas, they eat at the McDonald's, they eat at the KFCs. This is wrong, wrong, wrong, because the foods we are consuming often don't have those ingredients I mentioned. The high vitamin Cs, the high vitamin D, the high iron and zinc that are supportive of a healthier and more immune boosting system. That's the biggest challenge. The younger people, especially, they think it's vogue, they think it's trendy to eat those kinds of foods. And as you said, this is clearly why we see a high rising rate of not only infectious diseases, but especially non-communicable diseases, which when they increase, of course, with obesity, then the chance of one getting COVID-19 and succumbing a much higher. Solution going forward, I'll put it this way. Let's eat like our grandparents eat. Let's eat the way nature initially meant us to eat. A ratio of 80-20, 80% of what you consume, keep it green, keep it veggies. If possible, take food that's organic, meaning that does not have chemicals, agrochemicals, synthetic agrochemicals. How can you find these food? It's mostly the food that grew in the rural areas. Chakula, yawatu maskemi, boga, zainabalimbali, not just cabbage, but including green, leafy vegetables, because they have all those nutrients. Saga, manogus, tereris, the tubers that could do masks, thick tereribos like turmeric, ginger, yes, and yes, they boost the immune system, they support the immune system. And then, of course, mix with 20% of samyama, some nutrients are not found easily in vegetables, but make sure that keep it as natural as possible. Samyama has antibiotics. Kuku, go kenyeji, avoid the broilers and even the eggs, eat the kenyeji eggs. The food, in summary, that was like what our grandparents, our grandfathers, and our grandmothers ate. That food was rich, was balanced, and was in tandem with nature as opposed to the now highly processed sugary, salt-loaded, and very much carbohydrate driven foods, especially for the generation. So, in summary, there is hope, the cheaper food, the green food, more rehydration and more supply. And, of course, move around. We are habilis, you are designed to move. In addition to that nutrition, there is need for us to get out of our seats, not become potato coaches, and move around, go outside, get the sun. The sun triggers the production of vitamin D, very, very important. And I think the ministry has also alluded to this. The first time I listened to Dr. Rashid Amman, the class of the ministry of health, he said that there is a huge component of nutritional support for COVID-19. And it is 100 percent, this is not some recovery. It is evidential. It is proven. It is effective. It can actually serve as medicine. So, summary, good food is medicine, bad food is poison. So, eat more. Thank you so much. Yes. Go ahead. Yeah, thank you, Dr. when you will have good time for us to discuss all these things pertaining good health. Thank you so much for joining us and trying to bring some light as far as nutrition is of concern. Apparently we are out of time, but we will be inviting you sometimes later. We were talking about nutrition with Dr. Peter Mokaya. He is the director, founder, director of Organic Consumer Alliance OCA. And the theme or the word is, let food be their medicine and medicine be their food and nutrition is all you need. And he has clarified that the concussion that we are having, the ginger, the garlic and the lemon, they will not cure COVID-19. They will only help you boost your immune system, not to cure COVID-19. So be informed. And thank you so much for keeping us company. See you again later. My name is Dereva Hillary. Have yourself a good day. Goodbye.