 We have no room for neutrality when it comes to service delivery to the people of Nairobi. Everybody in Nairobi agreed that Sanko was doing a bad job and he had to go but not your senator. So for me as ifuna and I have told even the team that we are campaigning with here that in the event that Polikapi Gaze and Professor Philip Kalloki do not perform for the people of Nairobi, the impeachment motion will be drawn in my office mimi as the senator of Nairobi because that's what people are electing you to do. We are supposed to oversight the county to ensure that people get the services they get. So for him I wish him well and you have seen what has happened including all the lies that he has come to tell us about whether he went to school or not. I mean it is a question of credibility. It's a question of credibility. At this particular point in time it really doesn't matter whether I went to school or not. It is that you are lying to us. If you can be able to tell us that you graduated me, I graduated from the University of Nairobi. I know my classmates, I married one of them for good measure. So you cannot come and if you challenge me I'll just show you my wife. We were in class together, she remembers me. What's up guys and a very warm welcome to SPM Buzz. My name is Miskifinchi and today I am honored to sit with a staff. Now before I introduce my guest for today, please make sure you subscribe to our YouTube channel because we are on the road to 100k subscribers. And it's only just 1000 subscribers before we get there. So make sure you hit that subscribe button. Now my guest for today is a lawyer and an aspirant of the Nairobi senator. And his name is Edwin Osifuna. He is also the secretary general for ODM. Hi, how are you? It's the first time anyone has ever called me a star. I didn't know that. You are? Really? Oh, that is a criteria. Then I guess I am one. Asante sana for coming. To have this conversation. Asante sana for having us. Now, Osifuna, you have been the talk of town lately. Let's start with, why should the people of Nairobi put you in Aga as the senator? That's a very interesting question. There is a constitution we passed in 2010. It has three criteria for determining who should be a leader. So it is personal integrity, it is competence to do the job that you are going to do and its suitability. So if you look at someone and you hear they want a certain job, those are the three things you ask. Is this person competent to do the job that they are looking for? We have a history here in Nairobi of actually having people who are not competent to do the job. So if we just set those three criteria and we follow them in August, then you will not hear people crying that we have forgotten about chapter 6 in leadership. So I actually believe that I possess personal integrity. So if you look at Google, you can see the case here in Chif. Now, there are people who are not convinced that they are going to do the job. But they are not. So it is competence. I am the SGO of ODM. This is my fifth year as a SGO of ODM. People have a reference point to see whether actually you can be able to do a job at a certain capacity. ODM is a very large organization. And if I have become the face and the voice of ODM, then I want to become the face and the voice of Nairobi in the Senate. Am I suitable for the job? You know you can be competent and you have personal integrity but not suitable. It just doesn't suit you as a person. You don't have the necessary skills to be able to do the job. So if you are not expressive enough, you can't speak, you are very competent. But there are certain skills that you require to do a particular job. So mimi na mini, those three things work in Yuliza. If I am measured against those three things, there is actually nobody who can do the job of Nairobi senator better than myself. Okay. What have you done different from the last time that you've died and now? Well, I think the thing that has happened is that I have now had the opportunity to demonstrate my capacity to actually lead in a position such as the SGO of ODM. This is one of the most challenging roles I think I will ever get. Really? As SGO of ODM, I am telling you, it is very, very tough. Because this is a party that is in the hearts of people. The expectations are very high. The standards are extremely high. People love this party and they want to see the party succeeding. So everything that has contributed to the party not doing as well in previous elections, people want you to fix those things. It is not easy. And we are very passionate supporters who will not shy away from telling you if you are going the wrong direction. So we have had very serious challenges in the past four years. We have lost many members of parliament. We lost our brother in Kibira, Honorable Koth. It was one of the most challenging by-elections. We lost our brother from Sabweni, the late Suleyman Dori. We also had a by-elections. They were very challenging by-elections. But one of the things that I always remind members of ODM is that when we lose, there is a constant figure leading the troops in those battles. It is Edwin Sifuna, the SGO of the party. So from Kibira to Mbakasi South, which we lost, to Kenya, which we lost, to Msambweni, which was a very difficult loss to take to Matungu, which was a proper war. It was not an election, I mean it was a proper war. Until we finished in Boncharie with a win, which was also a very serious battle, I can assure you that win or lose, the constant factor has been Sifuna at the front leading the troops of the party. And I am very proud of what we have done. When people say ODM is the most organized political party in the country right now, we take credit because we have continued together with the other leadership of the party to making the party as great as it is right now. So, yeah, I think what on Nairobi wami pata opportunity kukuna in a certain role. Nawa na unavile you articulate your issues, the way you debate. And you see there is no other job in the Senate. It is for you to be able to represent your county, to be able to push for the further location or more location of resources to explain to people why Nairobi is different from, say, Kericho. If we want more money than Kericho, why? You have counties that have one line of streetlights, the entire county, like we have come from in Mungoma. There is just one line of streetlights. And then you have Nairobi with a power bill of half the county allocation of Buzia. So you explain to the country and the Senate that Nairobi is unique. We need this, we need this, we have a badging urban population, we need to house them, we have slums. The counties that don't have slums, they have never seen what a slum looks like. So we need somebody to be able to explain our uniqueness in a way that will result in more location for resources for the county and then be able to follow up with the execution, with the teams at the county government to ensure that every single penny is accounted for. Okay, that's good to hear now. Looking at what the current Senator Honrabu Sakhaja has been doing, I'm sure you have evaluated his work. There are projects you probably might wish to continue with and there are other things that you feel he really didn't work on it as it was supposed to. What are some of those projects you'd wish to come to? Actually, you know he doesn't have any projects because Senators, ordinarily we don't have a budget. Yes, you don't have a budget to build anything. But what you're supposed to do is to be the protector of your county in the Senate and you go after every single penny you can get for the sake of your county. One of the things that people know me for is that I am never neutral on anything. Okay. Ya. You know, kuna watu wadabenda kujifanya hati waw niwa Kristosana waw nasibama katikati wuna jwa, aju kama e ni indege ama ni munyama. Yes. Yuna jwa waw zing kwa kanisa, wewa ni popo e ni indege ama munyama. Yes. As leaders, people want you to take a position. One of the greatest criticism in our current Senator is that he is a person who likes to please everybody. Okay. You know leadership requires you at the moments of great controversy to take a position. So, for instance, his greatest criticism, I can tell you, when there was an opportunity for Nairobi to be allocated more money, he is one of those senators who was singing in Kenya, Kwanzao, what will Kericho get? Every single county gets to elect a senator, you know? Ya. So, you cannot be the senator of Nairobi and also the senator of Mandera and the senator of Kericho and the senator of Bungoma. You call yourself super senator. I don't want people to call me super anything. Ya. I am just a senator of Nairobi. If the people of Kericho elect somebody who cannot push the agenda of Kericho, that's their own problem. Ya. So, there will never be a day when the issue of, say, resource allocation is on the table and then Sifuna says, wait, let's think about what the people of Wajia will get. Wajia have their senator. Ya. I am the senator of Nairobi. Number two, the greatest crisis in Nairobi. Ya. You know leadership at the point of crisis, not when things are noisy and we are all just chilling. No. It is when things are sick, the greatest controversy in Nairobi over the past five years has been the performance of a governor who was elected in 2017, Mike Sonko. Ya. So when the question of his impeachment came to the floor, ya, your senator said he is not going to cast a vote. He is going to be neutral. There is no room for neutrality when it comes to service delivery to the people of Nairobi. Ya. Everybody in Nairobi agreed that Sonko was doing a bad job and he had to go, but not your senator. So for me, as ifuna, and I've told even the team that we're campaigning with here that in the event that Policapigade and Professor Philip Kaloki do not perform for the people of Nairobi, the impeachment motion will be drawn in my office, mimi, as a senator of Nairobi, because that's what people are electing you to do. You're supposed to oversight the county to ensure that people get the services they get. So for him, I wish him well. Ya. And you have seen what has happened including all the lies and he has come to tell us about whether he went to school or not. Ya know, I mean it is a question of credibility. Ya know, it's a question of credibility. At this particular point in time, it really doesn't matter whether he went to school or not. It is that you are lying to us, ya know. If you can be able to tell us that you graduated B, I graduated from the University of Nairobi, I know my classmates, I married one of them for good measure. Ya know, so you cannot come and if you challenge me, I'll just show you my wife. Ya. We were in class together, she remembers me. Ya. So this entire thing is not about saying oh, you need a degree to be a leader, no. We are just saying that if you know the requirements for you to run for a specific office at X and Y, can you please send yourself to be able to achieve those qualifications, then come and run. Even Sanko with all his problems, he went to school. He actually went to St. Paul's, a university we've all had about you can visit the university, he has photographs of his graduation. But when you start giving us stories about a university, some remote university in Uganda that nobody has ever heard about, you are doing what we don't want to see in this country, we want credible leaders, people will just tell the truth. Ya. You as a lawyer, how hard is it to actually prove that you went to school? It's not hard, it is very easy. It's very easy to actually prove that you attended a course. Because everywhere you go, everything you do, you leave a footprint. There is a digital footprint now, for instance, of me being the SG of ODIM. All these things we have been talking to you about, the bi-election in Musambueno was way back in 2019, before COVID. All these things we have done, the first bi-election actually in Kuala County was in a ward called Kinondo. In 2018, I think, just a few months of April of 2018, after I had just been appointed the Secretary General of ODIM, I can show you photos, I was there. If you talk to the people of Kinondo, they'll tell you yes, they know the food and they saw me here. I'm telling you, we remember the names of our caretakers at the university, the people who cater us. I mean, sure. If you went to a place, there's going to be a footprint of your being there. So this culture, we used to go to school to acquire knowledge, not to acquire qualifications to run for elections. Ya. So it is something we must condemn. I am hoping that Nairobians and Kenyans generally, you don't need the court to stop somebody from running. You just wait for him because the ultimate power is with you as a voter. Una angali atu jina, una najo ueni wa wash-wash, na tunami jua. Una angusya. Una angali atu ui, una sema wu mutuni mukora na tu danganana degree na tunadi degree na tunadiwa ana. Una muangusya. Mwacha kwa angali atu, ODIM should bar so and so, so you need the court should stop so and so, IBC should remove him. No. Ni ni kama wa Kenya. Your primary responsibility is to protect the inch kutukana na iwa kora. Aki kuja kwa balot, wacha kwa kwa balot. Mwaha kia pichi ya ke clear sana mumwone, na una muangusya apu. Mwacha kwa atu ueni wa krendi mubana. Apart from now credibility, Jisipuna, I would like to know how important is it to have a degree to vibe for a certain position in government? Actually, you know, there is this debate where people say leadership does not require this. There is a very different school of thought about ability to lead. You can lead even as a person who has never gone to school and you see, elective position is not the only way to lead. There are leaders even in church, there are leaders in our communities, people who hold more influence even than me as a sector agenda of ODIM, but it doesn't mean you have to be elected. But what we are saying is there are certain roles, like now you are going to be the CEO of a county that is receiving here close to 40 billion shillings. You need to manage it. At the very basic level you have to have something called aptitude. Can you read the document and understand what the document is saying? That's all we are asking. We are not saying that you are a philosopher. You don't need a PhD. Just basic aptitude. Are you able to follow basic financing for instance, muntua kikuja me umeleta sii wako ama sii wakaunti mwenye niwa finance, ye ni professor of finance, aki kuleze e lempango enyanataka, uta elewa kitu anasemba. You can be an expert on everything. Then you surround yourself with people who can help you do the job. But at the very minimum you should be able to comprehend what these people of yours are telling you. So if you don't, you can imagine if you are a governor and you are unable to read. That's what I'm telling you. So the debate is where should we put this threshold? If that is the debate, I am happy to have it. But we cannot say let's not have a threshold. That education doesn't matter in leadership. If we are saying muntua me fika primary school aneza suma, tukubali ane ba sii kwe apu. Na kila mtu aishimu, kila mtu ane primary school. Sii wende kunuwa certificate ya primary, apana. Kama ita seme kana ni secondary, ama wa semeni university, bas. Wa e kei yo bas. And it is only actually for currently as a low standard, it's only for governors. These members of parliament they don't need a degree. Many of them are not degree holders many of them have done a fantastic job. But look at what we have been socialized and how it's been brought up. We have been told education is the greatest equalizer. Your mother or my mother did not take me to school so that I can become senator of Nairobi. No. I didn't know that I was even going to go into politics when I was in primary school. You go to school to be able to acquire knowledge, to expand your horizons and your possibilities. With that basic degree, that basic knowledge, actually the world is at your disposal. You can then decide this is not something I want to do. There are classmates of mine who are doing law with us. But these days they run queries. Ya. Ya. If they are making more money than us, don't laugh. They are making more money than us who decided to pursue the legal profession. So it just opens your and every parent I don't know if you are a parent. No, not yet. Ya. I am a parent. Yes. I want my daughter to go to school to be able to acquire knowledge so that whatever she decides to do in future, she can become anything she wants to become. But at the very minimum, give her that basic education. It will help her. Ya. Talking about leadership skills, now we've had artists, comedians, people in the art industry come into politics. Ya. Now I would like to hear your thoughts. Is it an area that you actually advise them to venture into? You see, politics is available for everyone. It is not that there is a specific profession that we have to, it's the pool from which we get politicians, no. It is your ability to comprehend the issues of the day, the issues that face your people, your ability to articulate those issues in a manner that will result in a solution to those problems. Ya. So you could come from any particular background. You could be a farmer, you could be a host like yourself, you could be a musician, you could be any form of artist. The challenge is this, wunaeza elewa assignment, can you understand the assignment of being a member of a county assembly and MCA? Do you understand what it is, what their roles are? How uniquely able are you, uniquely gifted you are to be able to actually do the job? Then, once you are able to do this, na watu waku wana ku you, wunaeza people understand, people think Kenyans are fools. Ya. Kenyans know every single one of us who's buying. They know what we can do and what we cannot do. Kuna wana wana jwa wana jipende geza kwa positions en ya watu wanaeza. Kuna wana. So, put yourself in that position. It doesn't matter your background, understand the assignment, I think people will vote for you. Ya. Do you feel like having a great following on social media translates to the words on ground? It does because you know social media gives you an opportunity to speak to people. And all people want is to know what you are about. Like, wuna wana fiki reyanga aje what are some of the ideas he has. You know, people need to know you, what you are about, how you think, how you react, how you behave. Who are you as an individual? And I'm telling people that in fact, the character of the person running is more important than even the knowledge that is in his head. A promise is only as good as a person making that promise. Kama mutu tunimuongo. Ya ni, wana juli kana unimutunimuongo. Of all the lies he has ever told you, it's hard for him to go to jail alone. He said he'd just get to know his story. So he texted me if he had any ideas on the way to go to prison he wouldn't even show food. He'd go to jail. But he didn't want to. My friend. What you do is to tell you what happened in the SD in 8 years. So you need all the outlets. You need to appear on TV. You need to appear on shows social media to have a presence. Well, there are people who decide to be dirty to play it dirty and the others who actually believe that it doesn't have to be dirty, you know. We have seen elections that are people employing dirty tricks, voter suppression, like on the day of elections, what went on, violence, what went on, mama wana pigwa kidogo, polling station, what went on at Oroka. We saw it even in Samboeni, kuna bribery is on do uchafuza siyasa, mutu munya kuna pesa na kuja na mwaga pesa square election, ama naika wana kuna wana wato meji uchanyu mai amiti karibuna polling station, ana kudunga so unenda wana vote, wana waza fiyu chayaka na fiyu chayaka, mtoto wako juya so. So, waki sema politics is dirty, kuna iso vitu watu panya zene, they actually illegal it is in crimes. So, waki sema politics is dirty, kuna personalize tax kwa oponens wako, mutu fama mimi, God willing, nima bagisha deyga ma 35. I am going through this entire campaign without mentioning any of my opponents who sent it. I don't talk about them because I know I am not running against anybody, I am just running against the problems of the people of Nairobi. See that this guy is the one who is proposing the best solutions for our problems of housing, our problems of infrastructure, our problems of unemployment and high cost of living, they will vote for you. You don't need to attack whoever else is running. I don't know, I have 14 opponents. I don't know many of them, I don't even know. So, people choose to make politics dirty, but we can also make an informed decision to just make clean politics. But what I know is that you also have to be very tough. You have to be made of, like... I mean, ya, because you have all that skin. Because people will always come at you. Like, for the past five years, if you look at my social media, people have always come after me, you know? Because it is the nature of things. People will attack you. Ya, so sometimes even you, if there is a pig that wants to kill me, if he wants to kill me, if he wants to kill me, if he wants to kill me, he will pat me. If he wants to kill me, if he wants to kill me, he will pat me. Then they come again. So, it is the way it is. Yes. Okay, now, Sifuna, I have to ask you. We have Anthony Alwotchi. Alwotchi. Alwotchi, yes. Alwotchi, yes. Of course, Kevin Kiyoko. Hati, as we all know him. The Matare Paliamentali political seat. I would want to know, why do you feel Anthony is a better aspirant than Kevin Kiyoko? Actually, I have never said that anyone is better than the other. We are in a coalition of political parties and there is a very basic reality that in fact you have 26 political parties in Azimio. If each one of those political parties is running a candidate, I wish I had my phone, I wanted to show you some numbers. If all those political parties are running a candidate, they all support Raila Odinga. So, they are all drawing also some votes from his support and you have one UDA candidate. It is common sense that you will all lose. It is common sense. And if I had my phone, I would show you the number of constituencies we have actually mapped out that if we don't speak to those people, to be able to support one of them, we are going to have a minority in the Senate and we are going to have a minority in the National Assembly. It is common sense. It is not something that is personal, you know. So, you can run your mouth as much as you want, but I have been in this position, I have seen it. I have told you this is my 50 years, this is your podium. I have had candidates come to my office in some of these previous by-elections and you speak to them and you tell them we can see that you probably have a better chance than so and so because of this and this and we have run separate polls and these are the issues that are rising. Please kindly support this guy. When no politician will ever accept that they actually don't have support, you know. We have seen this even in 2017. We had then the NASA coalition, two candidates for Langata member of parliament. One of them was the ODM candidate who was way stronger and then we had a wiper candidate and then Nixon Corir of Jubilee one with 980 votes in Langata. Yet the ODM candidate got maybe 35,000 votes. The wiper candidate had 5000 votes which if they had just agreed to support the ODM candidate today Nixon Corir would not be the member of parliament for Langata. So it is my responsibility as the secretary general of the party to make sure that my political party wins as many seats as possible and you have foresight as a leader because we have seen this thing before. Me, I don't cry tears. You know, we are very pragmatic people. I just show you the numbers. I show you what you are up against. If you want to insult me, you will insult me but me, I cannot be blackmailed. You can't threaten me that I will tell my supporters to vote for your opponent. Which supporters do you have? And me, even if something is going to cost me I am a student of Rila. Rila lost votes in 2013 because he stood to defend the Mount Forest which we are now all enjoying because it's a water tower that supplies all of us with water. So don't be a personal practices, politics of convenience I have experienced in losing elections I have already lost before and I didn't die so you can't come and threaten me with it's like threatening to drown a fish. I am already in the water. So what we want is people to understand that in the absence of a concerted effort to solidify and consolidate our votes all those candidates running under us will lose. It's that simple. But is there a sit down that has been done between ODIM and Chubilu? A dozen. I can remember almost a thousand meetings with these characters. They don't listen. So we have gotten to a place where we are saying you do you, you do what you want to do. But for us as a party and as a coalition that knows we need numbers in parliament we are going to go forward with the strongest candidate in each of those constituencies. By the way, just the day before we came to Madare we had stepped down our candidate, ODIM candidate in Mbakasi North. Yes, a lady who's way stronger than this Waena in Madare. Way stronger. But we stepped her down because we understand that if we do not consolidate that vote the UDA candidate will win in Mbakasi North. And you see, we only have less than a month. All this truth will emerge. It is just basic arithmetic. It is just basic common sense. You have four candidates under Azimiu one candidate in UDA. You will split your vote this person at a pitekatikati. Yeah. Is that simple? So he's still going to be in the ballot? We don't care. Sisi, we are operating from the assumption that we have one candidate in Madare and it's Antonio Luch. Yeah. Atuna time ya kube besit. What? Eh, unali ali upangulu nadani. Eh, akuna ya wakati? Is it even stepped down? It's okay. It's okay. Sisi, the decision was already communicated to the membership of Jubilee and it was done by the Jubilee people. It was not me. Eh? So he just came after me for club. Oh, but he said he was actually not told about it and he would have thought I am telling you it was the Jubilee chair man in Nairobi who made that announcement. Me only thank him. But he came after me for clout because if he attacks the Jubilee county chair nobody knows him. See, I'm not after likes. So I'm not after Sifuna. Yeah. Eh? Me clout chasing. Is it even stepped down? Wasababu. Sini, muna muitanga mototuwa? Oh mama. Mototuwa daya? Idio? Mimili kwa mototuwa. Mototuwa angusu kumoja liyandika kwa gari manifesto yake liyandika kwa gari enjiraniyangu. Uhum. Liyandika manifesto yake yote na musumari. Eh? Wali uliza weyumototuwa apoloji. Sunenda kwa babayake. Eh? Oh, that's what you meant. Sidi yo. Sini muna muitanga mototuwa dayana. Mimili tenda ni uliza dayana kwa nii. Kwa Zabuia lii alikuja kasema atini mihungwa Sivi 6 million. Mimi I have never taken a bribe in my life. Why was he attacking me? Eh? So ni kasema mii ni me shamsa meya Eh? It's that simple. All right. He said he has been, someone approached him to give him 50 million for him to sell. Ya ni kama kuna motuwa kuna 50 million mahali ati aniza jukuwa peba ati umutu kichuwa kini mahali. Afa nii ni? Ya nii ni? Apu aniza jukuwa miyambili 200 shillings nii mahi hand kachif. Lii baki naiyo pesa ingile, wazabuia machosi. Alafuni milipiesa alo nii makamoja niu liyaki. Aguna gidwingi nii agumpatia Ala? Okay, stawa. We will wait and see how that unfolds. So? Now, let's talk about, you know, wajakwaia the... The fifth. Ya, wajakwaia the fifth. The presidential aspirant. You know, his manifesto is quite interesting. And he says we are going to plant weed in Kenya so that we can pay the bill that we have. Do you think that's achievable? Well, you know, the biggest tragedy is first of all as a young person. Somebody who understands where the world is when it comes to the potential of hemp as a product. You know, all the science that has been done on the value of medicinal marijuana. My big regret is that this debate is being had or spearheaded by the wrong people. You know, societies change very slowly. They are very serious traditional notions against marijuana. And we don't need that debate being spearheaded by someone who reinforces the traditional you know, prejudices against marijuana. Where we mamiako ake kwa mbiya wuyo mototwa jirani anabutanga bangi. Enakwa ngani. You see, there is a mental image. There is a mental image of the person who smokes bang. Your mother knows, my mother knows. And those people are the same in their minds. So when you want an advocate or someone to explain that there is a difference between marijuana that gets you high and the hemp that can be used to produce even clothes or the cannabinoids that can actually be used to treat cancer and to reduce pain in chronic illnesses, you don't need somebody who looks like how your mother thinks that person who smokes bang looks. That's what I'm saying. So there is a space for that discussion. Yeah, the commercial aspect. Yes. But you see, the way he is even, I don't know if it's the way he's selling it, but the way it's being understood is that watu watakwa na pewa bangiku. And that's not what he has said, but he's allowing this permit that it is about smoking bang left, right and center. Yes. So may I wish that there would be a positive and proper conversation. Even the places that weed has been legalized, it has been through explaining to the public the benefits, the data, the science behind it. It's not something that you just joke around or throw around. So I am hoping that that conversation will be had at some point with some level of seriousness. I wish him well, may I don't have a problem with him. So let everybody's manifesto be you know, be looked at if Kenyans think that we can run this economy on weed and steak venom, let them vote. But if you know this office of president is not it's not also a joke. We can have a few giggles and laughs, but at the end of the day, taking the life of 50 million of us and putting it in the hands of someone, you need that someone to be someone who's fairly serious, somebody who has the experience, somebody who makes sense to you, somebody who has well thought out ideas. So when you look at the manifesto of Raila Odinga and you can just oppose it with any other manifesto and compare. Somebody who's talking about returning this country to manufacturing, they think that we used to see when we were kids that they used to be caught on growing here in places like Nyanza and that there's an entire supply chain by the time on a vahi jacket serious and well thought out policies. So we don't begrudge anyone for coming up with their manifesto. We just say allow us to talk about hours and let Kenyans make their decision. And he also said he was to become president on the 8th of August. He says that he's going to make his solo the capital city and if you are to get this and become the Nairobi senator then do you think what are your thoughts about that? Well you know it's one thing to say for me it's very escapist to just transfer your capital city instead of solving the real problems that medieval city. If you are talking about the problem of congestion Nairobi has a potential to still grow as much as it can. It is questions about our land tenure system that makes prime property to end up in the hands of private individuals who then don't use it for public good. We have a problem of abalzing urban population they need housing. We have a plan for instance to upgrade the old estates. We have a plan to upgrade the old estates so that they can come up to Kibira there is a place called Woodley in Kibira. Yes, yes. We have a plan to build a 3 bedroom in almost half an acre of land. Yes. So the plan is you can remove that family there for a period of time or a kemahali then that one half acre will just be up to 150 units and the land will be on the ground floor and the land will be on the ground floor while the land will be on the ground floor. Then you free up more land and then you do it. Other cities have done it. So it is about sustainability of our city making sure we have enough water supply making sure we have good services for our people you actually don't need to move the capital and even if you move the capital you are just transferring the problem you will just move there. What we need is serious planning in people who can look at problems critically and offer solutions. Yes, not just here in Tuhame. Yes, yes. Okay, so... Ukundiyo kwe tu by the way you know like where we kia mbiwa sasa wuhame kwen wuhame Kenya Yes. Next we need to have Misha to Kenya to implement it. Because this is our country this is our city if there are issues in this city or in our country it is upon us to solve those issues. Yeah. Okay, let's mention kidongo on the Azimiyo's Honrabu Railawdinga Manifesto Pacha mi Tumba. You know that really brought a lot of reactions where by the time mi Tumba tundue to Tengeneze our textile industry. That just proves to you how first propaganda travels. That's it. So people... We say that a lie travels faster than the truth. Yeah. Do you know that Raila in fact did not say that? Yes. He never said that. I was at that launch. I was at that launch. Uh huh. Yeah. He never said he's going to ban mi Tumba. Uh huh. It is William Ruto who said he's going to ban mi Tumba and I will play for you those clips. He did not mention the word mi Tumba. He mentioned the word mi Tumba. He did not say he's going to ban mi Tumba. Alisema he would like this country to go back to a place where we also manufacture things for ourselves. Okay. Because there is an entire value chain like I was explaining to you there is a cotton farmer, there are the generis, there are the workers who work in those factories and the others. Uh huh. And then there's a finished product, there are the shops. You look at many of these mamazia. They like to... Like Kenyans generally like to wear kitenges to weddings, nini. Where do they get those materials? You know? Most of them want to go to Uganda or to a place ngini. If we had that material for us and we are saying it there's potential for us to have that. And then he said the people selling Tumba now will be given first priority to market Kenyan things. So we were mimi na endaga toisa ngini kuna vituze wezi pata kwa duka ya kwaida like when my daughter was born nili ambiwa kuna kitina itua wanzi. Na juh wanzi wewe? Eh, wanzi. Kutapuji agu kutana na yo. Wanzi is there. Kutapu lota kwa mu zazi. Nii, jua. So, yo wanzi atofanya nini wezi konvins wafiyangu anu nuiu kitu kwa nuka. Anasimaza umtumba ndi upo. Alafu umtui anu growing yarakasa anu. So, kitu mibayi this week ay umtushi next week. Anu outcubing. So, akuna ajiwe investor tita umbili kwa kitu eni umtuta. So, unenda unanda tofta wanzi za so-so. Yes. Sidio? So, uki enda toi market konfano utakuta umtua na uza umtumba, by the way piawa na kwa nga nangu umpia po kandozime Yes. Tukweli. Hey. And they give you the choice. So, what Baba is saying can we have those umpia be our original Kenyan products so that you as a seller if the umtumba moves more than the Kenyan product is fine. You just reduce your stock of Kenyan. Yeah. Yeah, but please let us not frown upon things that are made in Kenya to support our own industries and to be able to take this come to the next level. Yeah. I mean I know we are past this already because Ruto has already you know suffered on a deputy but I would like to know what are your thoughts about him choosing a shagwa instead of kundiki? I think they say birds of a feather float together but you only want to mukonatabi asem ngeraisu kuskizana. Yes. Yani atasisi we need to manju liza which interview questions are this then your professor kundiki anezahanguka alafuri gadi apite kuna ona. So, this is it today gali atutu dazeba ay, ii chaba ii kuna baneno. The criteria for leadership in UDA appears to be something totally different from what we know because what we have told people is that the history of a leader is important. Yes. The history of a leader is important his character is important. So, when you're asking somebody to tell you what he was doing when the rest of the country was fighting for these freedoms that we are talking about ununa kama ii chanelienu times amoia unge kuna fani zivi. Kulekua na station moja. KBC. KBC na funguliwa na funguliwa watu genakulala. Ununa. Yes. Sasa ni ambi do you know that to get this freedom to record these things like this and to broadcast people died for you to be able to do this and the people who are killing those people trying to stop this movement are the same ones now coming to tell you that they want you to give them leadership positions. Rigati rashago was a DO in the 90s he was helping the Moistates to round up people and to send them to detention. Yo lo kazi kwa na fanya. Yes. Wilia Muluto was running YK92 kazi yake li kwa kubraib votas yo siya sachafu eki unasema. Walu kwa na print pesa uko na kina jirongo wana kuji kuga uko votas wa wa wasa ide kano. So those are the characters you are dealing with. So me, me personally niki angaliyo ticket mi na oma tumungu tadiwa wakensya sa zingini watu nasema owa na piga kura tiku panish mutuflani. Yes. Kutu na piga kura ni usifuna nde nyumbani. Aguna nyumbani mutua na nda. Siya ta 2017 wali sumwa na tumara ila bondo. Walu wali tumara ila bondo wana kuja status wana mkuta meka na uru. Yes. So don't vote at the out of anger or spite to panish somebody or to send them home. Please vote for somebody who is going to better your life because of the policies and the character you know him. Yes. He has a history of if you have ever made a promise to you and have broken that promise I have no right making another promise to you without accounting for that broken promises. Yes. So that pair of rigadi and ruto I think is the worst ticket of the four and he is the only one by the way who refused to pick a woman candidate even wajakoya was decent enough to do the right thing because we also need to demonstrate that there is no office that is too high for women in this country. We want you to be able to vie and run for any position you feel like because the way you are like this you are perfectly constituted to do any job that I can do. Yes. Okay. Now I would also like to know as we wind up why Mata Karua why is she fit for that post of a deputy president? Yes because of who she is. Okay. You know she was not picked because she is a woman she is a woman but what a woman. Okay. You know look at her history her credibility people know what she is about she takes a position and she defends her truth that is what you want you need conviction in public office you know not people who will just fall willy-nilly on anything you know. So she has a very strong character she has very strong liberation credentials during the second liberation of course she has fought for these things that we are talking about this is our ability to just sit here and chat and for you to be able to broadcast. We don't want a government that dictates every single day what you do what you eat, how you wake up lini, how you make money your government like this one now has never understood that you can actually make money from what you are doing here. But the moment you start making money they will send you an invoice for tax. So you want a government that understands that the role of government is to be able to create an atmosphere a facilitative atmosphere make it easy for you young people to be able to afford your equipment here to make air time you know and data accessible for everyone first speed internet if we didn't have 4G and 5G in Kenya these things were not possible in just 20 years when I was joining university you couldn't view a video so you need a government that sees far and is able to appreciate the potential of technology and what young people can be able to do with that technology not a government that does not help you in any way but immediately you help yourself and start making some money they knock on your door for tax okay is there a policy that you cannot wait to look into when you get to parliament? no no no by the way let me tell you mimi na kwa mbeni melewa assignment I have understood the assignment ok tmba ikenya and you see the good thing with being SGO of ODM is you get the privilege to go everywhere in this country the campaigns take you everywhere people want solutions out of the story mingi people want solutions wanata ka chakule ru di chini beya chakule ru di chini kaki mepana okipewa 1000 iwi inge kwa supermarket nivi tunga puneza no no mili aya watu enye hawa na kazi wanata ka gavai wa tafti e kazi na lazima vijana welewa e kazi na tokanga wa api how do you create one job wana wana how do you raise money for the government na peya gato example kukue tukulu kwa na company na ito mumias mumias used to support an entire town ya ni ilu kwa town muzima ila julikana kazi ya apani sukhari they were business they were business people they were restaurants they were bars they were schools they were sports facilities it was the whole shebang then you shut down that one company and you see like mumias when it was still profitable it was the largest taxpayer one company the largest taxpayer in western kenya was mumias shuga right now one of the largest taxpayers in kenya is safariko so there is a group kinarigati telling you they will split up safariko malafuwa gawi mahaslas and there's another group there is a team telling you we need if we can be able in the next 10 years to just create another safariko just one mozimi ambe watu wi tu mingi how many jobs that safariko crew support from the CEO to the guys who do empesa down there how many people are in the supply chain value chain quite a lot all right sifuna asante sana for this moment we do you're very busy but you've had the chance to talk to us we're so grateful asante now no, we have no time we're gonna let you go all right guys that was Eddie sifuna the ODM secretary general And also, the Nairobi senator aspirant. Thank you so much for watching. Make sure you leave a comment down below on how you found this conversation. What do you want to tell us? What do you want to tell senator in coming, senator Edwin Tipona? That was it from SPM Buzz. My name is Miskitinji. Until next time, keep it SPM Buzz.