 I'm still part of the United Methodist Church. I'm a confirmed member. I have a voice and I can take on this agenda from the inside. So you want to change it from the inside? Yeah, I want to change it from the inside. How come for you that a God actually does exist, like this Methodist God? I'm feeling very confident and, uh, like... Do you mind if we did something like this? Like, say this is like, no way, Jose! And this is like, uh, yeah! I'd say it's... I'd say it's like... Go ahead. So... some are like around there. Cool. I'm right... I'm literally right here. Yeah. I'm not here. I'm not here. Like, I'm more agnostic. I'm exactly 50%. Okay. So... Why are you so confident? Would you say that's like 80% or something like that? Uh, 90... 90... 90? Yeah. What made you... what guided that 90% level of confidence that a God exists? Well, I mean, like, people try to use, uh, science as a justification for why God isn't real, and I can understand their position. Uh, but I believe, like, in this... I can tell you, as a scientist, I hate that. Yeah. Because science has no... Yeah. Can't measure... Yeah. That, so we can't use it against it. And in the name of science, you know, like, we... like, we have a very vast universe. Yeah. We are comprehension of it. Yeah. Percentage-wise, it's in the single digits. Yeah. I think it would be illogical to just jump to the conclusion, like, God isn't real. But you... Period. But you're also saying God is real, so what's... what's confirming that? Because I agree... so, like, here's my thing. Yeah. If I flip the thousand coins, I'm at a 50-50%. I can ask science, hey, science, flip a thousand more coins. They're like, it's 50-50. I still don't know if this coins heads up or tails up, right? I'm 50-50. 50-50. Yeah. So, like, but you're not saying 50-50. You're saying 50-50% plus whatever got you that 90%. Yeah. What's getting you to that 90%? It's just, I feel like, you know, it would... I feel like they're... like, with the vast universe that we have, I think it's very possible. I agree. And I... That's why I'm not counting it out or confirming it. Yeah. But what's confirming it for you? I tend to, like, mostly because, like, not so much, you know, like, not so much of my actual belief, but I don't know. I don't know how to put it to words, but, like, I feel like... Take your time. Yeah, I feel like, especially, like, my values, like, help me confirm it, that might be a weird answer. Your values help you confirm it? What do you mean by that? Because I believe that there is more good in this world than bad. Do you need a God belief in order to believe that? I don't feel like I do. So how do your values confirm to 90% that the God exists? I don't know. I think... I definitely think part of it is just my upbringing. And, you know... If you were raised a Hindu, would you be Hindu right now and telling me about how Vishnu is? Probably. Like, yeah. Would you believe in Vishnu? Do you think Vishnu is an actual God right now? I don't know how to answer that question. That's fine. Is it possible to be brought up to be raised in a belief and that belief not be true? I think that's absolutely possible, you know. Then what's getting to the 90%? I don't know. If your upbringing is not reliable? Yeah. I feel like I have to do a lot of soul searching to answer that question. Yeah. But just based on my upbringing, this is what I am... Just like what I'm... But we know upbringing can also lead you to wrong conclusions too. Yeah. Can I throw something out? It's that coin flip. Catch it back in my hand. I don't know if it's heads or tails. Do you know if it's heads or tails right now? Like I said, we go to science, 50-50. I don't know if it's heads or tails. You don't know if it's heads or tails. That might be the best answer. I'm not 90 that it's heads. I'm not 90 that it's tails. I'm just... I don't have enough information, but I'm willing to change my mind once I do. Yeah. I want to know if anything is justifying that additional 40%. I don't know what's justifying it. I think I don't know the best answer. I think I don't know the best answer. So then is your confidence justified? I would say just... I don't know how I would justify it. It comes from a gut feeling that's... It is irrational. Are gut feelings a reliable way to reach a true conclusion? Sometimes yes. But sometimes no, right? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. When it comes to test-taking... Is it 90% reliable? I'd say so. It's coming from my own bias towards myself. But in test-taking and you don't know how to approach a question, the teachers say, go with your gut feeling and that's usually the right answer. If you didn't study for a test and it's like rocket science and you just have it, can you pass it with just gut feelings? Can you get a 90%, an A or above with just gut feelings? It's certainly possible, I don't know. It is, but is it likely and is it reliable? Like I could guess that it's heads and be right, but is that a reliable way just guessing? And why isn't I don't know the best answer for when I don't know something? I don't really know how to answer that question either. It takes a lot of soul-searching and thinking. Probably much more time than we have. Something I'd like you to consider is, am I justified with the amount of confidence I have? And if so, let me know because I want to be justified in my beliefs too. And if you have a reliable way, I want to be wherever the confidence leads me to. But if I'm at 50%, it doesn't mean that I'm saying that it doesn't exist. Yeah, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that either. And I'm not saying that it 90% does. I'm just saying, I don't know might be the best answer. I think that's the intellectually honest place to be. What do you think? As far as my beliefs being the right ones, I'm generally accepting of all religions. I'm happy for anyone to believe whatever they want to believe, but I want my beliefs to be true. And if I don't know if they're true or not, I'm fine with saying I don't know. As far as the monotheistic religions like Christianity, which recently has been facing a debate of whether it's polytheistic because we have the saints and all that. When I was Baptist, we didn't have the saints. We had some denominations. And then you have Judaism and Islam. There is a common belief. Did you say Judaism and Islam? Yeah. Islam is a part of Judaism. You take the three main monotheistic religions. They stem from the same... Three most popular? Yeah, the three main ones. That are all in the same umbrella? Yeah, they're all under the same umbrella. Some people... Some people in those religions, not everyone, believe that we all worship the same God. We just have different prophets, different traditions. I hear that. But you can agree that different people have different impressions of God. Yeah. So how do you know yours is the right one? You could be Muslim. You probably should be Muslim in some hypothetical sense. Yeah. I try to look at other religions and see what their traditions are and exactly what they believe in contrary to other religions. Is that a reliable way to know if a God exists? No, but I would say... Even though George Carlin was an atheist, I agree with him. He said religion is like shoes. Just fine, whatever fits. I thought George Carlin said I'm going to start worshiping Joe Pesci and see if anything different happens. And he did it and literally nothing different happened. Well, this was earlier in his career when he made jokes about religion but he wasn't very hardcore atheist, at least in his language. I have a lot of irrational feelings about religion. I'm going to admit that. Would you like your beliefs to be justified with more reasonable methods? In the event that you don't have a reasonable method, why have the belief? I don't know. I feel like the best answer to that would be just like, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. You're at the bridge now. You're here at the bridge right now. Why do you believe it if you don't have a good reason to believe it? Why are you 90% if you don't have a 90% reliable method to have this belief? If we're at this interest in which everything I believe, science eventually does prove that there's no way that exists. I don't think science will ever be able to do that, in my opinion. Continue. If I should come at that crossroads in which everything I believe has been disproven in one way or another. Interesting. I would say, okay, I was back in the wrong horse. Can I throw something? For a belief where it could be one thing or the other. God exists, doesn't exist. Heads, tails. Am I better off assuming I'm right until I'm proven wrong or holding off on making a decision either way until I can make an informed decision? It depends on the situation. When it comes to religion, I'd say I'll definitely stick to my principles. I don't believe in the hide-and-abide approach. Hide-and-abide? What does that mean? Hide-and-abide, just like I'll hold back and I'll see what happens. I don't feel like I can make a decision. But you're confident until you're proven wrong. Is that generally a reasonable way to go about things? For example, there could be a Hindu saying, well, I'll wait until this guy proves Hinduism is incorrect. Until then, I'll keep being a Hindu. And he's believing a completely different God than your God. But only one of you guys could be right. Maybe none of you guys are right. What's a more reasonable way than just saying, it's tales, prove me wrong? Couldn't it just be, I don't know what the right answer is? That's not my problem. That's the coin's problem. Coin. I don't know what the right answer is. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. In the event that I don't know is probably the best answer, we look back at the 90%. I'm not saying you have to be 50, but do you think you're 90% justified? I don't know. I think I don't know it's good. Yeah, I don't know if it's justified. I hope it is. And that's faith. Faith is just... How do you define faith? Faith? I just define it, you know, I don't want to go as far as to call it, like, you know, illogical. I mean, or it is illogical, but I wouldn't necessarily... It's just kind of... It's a belief in something without any specific, like, physical proof for it, not saying that that implies that it's wrong. Belief with no physical proof? Yeah. Is that a reliable way to reach a true conclusion? I... Could I have faith that the coin's heads? Yeah, you could. Could I be wrong? Yeah, you could be wrong. Yeah. So I... Yeah, if my faith was proven wrong, I guess I would... Do you use faith at all if we know I can have faith in things that aren't true? It's just... Again, it's a... It's just a gut feeling. A rash... Gut feeling is not reliable? Not always reliable. I don't know... Not 90% reliable? Yeah, I don't... Yeah. I don't know what would be reliable. It's just... Then why believe it? I don't... It makes... The idea that there is a higher being out there, you know, and like, the belief that, because of that being there, there could be more good than evil in the world. Like, it gives me... It gives me solace, in a way. It makes you comfortable. Yeah, it makes me comfortable. Is being comfortable proof that something exists? There's things I could believe about making it feel really comfortable. I would say it proves it, but, you know... Again... Do you need the God belief to feel comfortable? Couldn't you just have faith in humanity? Or... Hey, I'm gonna go out and help people today. I'm gonna sing for my choir. I'm gonna play the drums. I'm gonna make music for people. Make them happy. I'm gonna help someone that's queer. Yeah. It's... Like, I'm... Yeah, I don't know how exact I answer the question. I'd love for you to think about that. Yeah, I do think about religion every now and then. Harry? I really appreciate this talk. All right. Yeah. Are we done? Yeah. Yeah. It was really pleasure talking to you. You give me a lot to think about. Yeah. Feel free to take a card. I'd love to hear back from you. You can take stickers, too. Hey, if you want a shirt, poke them up. All right. I already got a shirt on when I came back here. Nice. Nice. Nice. I haven't even got a shirt yet. I'm trying to save as many for everybody else. If there's scraps, I'm taking them all. But... Anyway, by the way, Reid, do you have your card as well? Do you have a card? Yeah. This is my buddy Reid. He also does interviews like this all the time. He's really, really good. Yeah? Yeah. You can't go around. We should talk right now. Go around? Yeah. Let's do it!