 Yo, what is good still spinning podcast? What's good? It's your boy Steven. Selie the host I think this is episode 71. We got the new digs if you're watching the video podcast I got my own picture that I created of Miami beach edited that and then I also got a present for Christmas That's me Duncan hashtag dunk life. It's pretty dope if you're looking at the studio. Anyway, what's good still spinning The earth is still spinning and the point of that is that we got to raise our awareness We're kind of got to be conscious of that so that way helps us raise our consciousness to be the best person We can be because I believe the more you know about yourself the more you can enjoy this life And that's what I'm all about. So welcome and also Dunking so dunk training today. We had a special guest. I've been meaning to talk to this guy for a long time I'm really happy that I got to finally sit down and talk to him get to know him a little more And it was just awesome. He's Chuck Milan creator founder of team flight brothers It was really awesome to have a mom. We talked a ton about t-dub. If you don't know who that is definitely go get your dunk knowledge up What are you doing? Yeah, we talked about how we created team flight brothers how we got his first dunk Where he thinks dunking's going about the dunk community nowadays and just a lot more about different contests possibly getting dunking into the Olympics It was awesome. So I look forward to having them back on. I hope you guys enjoy this episode If you want to help me out you can rate the podcast that helps a lot You can subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and Spotify and sound cloud I think and Google play it and stitcher. That's the other one and Google play I believe but watching it on YouTube if you're listening. It's on YouTube and video Yeah, subscribe to my YouTube help your boy out. 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I also could talk a lot as you can tell right now. Hence. I have a whole podcast. Okay That's it. Enjoy the episode. Let me know what you think definitely have a lot more guests coming on that I'm really really excited about stay tuned. Thank you for watching. Thank you for listening. I love you all Enjoy your life. Let's go All right, we're live. What's good Chuck? What's going on man? Good to see you. Good to have you on It's good to see you. I'm happy to finally be on here. I know we've had this for like a year and a half I'm just like just putting it off. I know man Well, I want to get into that because you mentioned you had something to coming up But I'll let you get into that afterwards. Um, first of all, I just want to see how you're doing what I see you Training lately. Tell me a little bit about that man, I just My life because I'm here. Yeah, fuck yeah So what happens like over a course of a couple years and I just just got fatty shit man It was just I was like unhealthy and I was just like, you know, the road stuff not even good wasn't feeling good So I was like I saw it. I stepped on a scale and I was like now man. That's not good So probably since like November, I've lost 50 pounds 51 pounds as of today. So damn dude, just like just trying to get healthy I'd like to I'd like to jump every once in a while again, but I'm still just trying to get the body Did you dunk that last day we spoke or didn't get the dunk yet. No, I didn't even try it because my knee was like a little sketchy Yeah, so I I just rather sit it out than like take the chance Dude, I'm yeah, I know the deal. I was sat out today trying to do the same thing just because of every it's always one thing I had like a hamstring issue now, but my knees are finally healthy But yeah, it's cool to see you back trying to get Duncan. Anyway, that leads me to my first question Which was when was your very first dunk? My very first done was it was February 8th 1998 I was an eighth grade Spring's middle school And it was like within like a couple of weeks because I had never tried to touch the rim before like I Think like December because back then I was like only guys on TV can like don't write And I like accidentally touched the rim during a game. It was like what the hell and my coach Told me it was like trying to dunk a couple times and I tried Lob off the lob one foot one hand Really So how tall tall were you then about the same height or I mean on it. No, I was shorter I was probably like five six or something like that. I'm not I'm not sure because I like I Think back then I was like, I wanted everybody to think of taller. So yeah, never like got measured So if I was like five six, then I'd be like, yeah, I was five ten Right So just hooping you just touched the rim one time and that kind of just Well, I went up. I wouldn't have to block someone And in my hand hit the rim and I was I was like But I already was like a sick dunkner like already like my you know my poor parents like Bought me probably like four different basketball hoops. I was always hanging on them and stuff You know, so that's like it just like kind of fit into everything that I already Loved and shit. That's awesome. So when you got your first one did it like and six months later Were you trying or you didn't really think that it was a fluke right? I tried so much and I think I just got perfect. Wow, right and like maybe there was like Some girls that I had like But it just like happened perfectly. I was like holy shit like that just happened So then everyone I remember I got home from school that day my brother. He's a couple years older than me He was in high school. It's a little town. We need a spring for that So I like got home and he like woke up from his nap or something He's like, did you don't today? He didn't even go to my school. It was like everybody new Wow, everybody wanted to see me dunk. Yeah, and it's no don't get Yeah, I couldn't dunk again for like you tell that summer and I'm sure you didn't videotape that first one You kidding me? I do have some of those I do have some of those camera tapes around here Wow, but I would have had to have like a big big short, but no that's So if we just start like filming anything till it's like late cool Yeah, so So you got your first one and then were you hooked and you just see how far you can take it or Yeah, well, I was hooked before that So I used to dunk like low rims all the time and I was like I just always loved dunking like my first memory that I can think of like as a child isn't like my parents like You know, whatever it was a dunk contest. It's like my first memory of you know when I was younger So I like obviously wanted to all the time But I just kind of like studied the way everybody jumped So I like could figure out like what would be the easiest way for me to dunk if I'm smaller and whatnot So like yeah, I was absolutely hooked and I'd go and find like nine and a half foot hoops You know Find nine foot hoops and be like man, if I was the same height it's straw mile swift This is what it would be like, you know, I mean like just did you just random shit like that Did you have a favorite dunker in the mba or even out of the mba when you were younger before you could dunk? He's a herald miner was my favorite dunker interested mba I just Love herald miner like just the power, you know, he was left handed. So it looks sweet There's him and then you know, I'm from florida. So we knew about vince carter And then ronnie fields is like that was I would like This was when the internet was like dial up. I would like find out things about ronnie fields And I just see pictures. I didn't know sure, you know, I never saw a video besides like a 10 second clip But yeah, those were the three guys. It was like herald miner ronnie fields vince carter That's awesome. So then you're in high school. Were you playing in high school? Yeah, I played in high school a little bit Uh, I just you know school wasn't really like for me and stuff. I was just like the kid I you know, I got referrals for like hanging on the room It sounds funny. Yeah, but yeah, I played dunking in games and stuff Yeah, I had a couple my I had a fair share of game dunks. I wasn't like a freaking stud like just you know Catching five dunks a game or anything like that, but I caught a couple I have a few that I got like a year ago on vhs, but I just haven't had anything to confirm So I'm just like need to get off my lazy ass and like figure that out Yeah, I mean, I would love to see that so High school dunking in games got your first dunk and then tell me how it kind of transitioned or did you find people around? I started dunking how did this start? okay, so there was a kid that This is like junior year high school and this is by the time my the end of my freshman year I could dunk consistently and whatnot and every once in a while like I could squeeze in like a nice dunk So like sophomore junior year come along and I was doing windmills and like pump reverses and at the time, you know, I'm Fucking like It was me and then there was a kid uh that went to k pro high school named tim lowe who We would hear about each other and like immediately I hated his guts because they were like he did a 360 with him I'm like, yeah, I know he didn't so then one day like my cousin and my And his you know two two of my cousins one was friends with him and then one went to school with me It was like we're setting this up. We're having a dunk session or whatever So it was my junior year We went had a dunk session and I'll talk about I haven't won the best jumping days of my life Like I'm just like I'm just first try lob windmills just punch, you know First time I ever did off the backboard with no wow This guy fucking crushed me Of course like he's like and this is 2001. So You know, I think about if Vince Carter and Jamil Pugh did between the legs like the year before that He's doing 360 between the legs like he did it in the front of me and I was just like what Just and so We weren't like party guys in high school We would go and breaking the gyms and just dunk till like two or three in the morning Like our hand roll beat up But that's like how it like got us going into like trying different dunks and then it's like It's like oh shit like something else is happening here and then The internet comes right at that shit gets like out of control So I gotta ask when was the first time I this just came to my mind When was the first time you saw t-dub in person? Okay, so in person it was uh in lull massachusetts. I actually Here's the story behind it. If you don't mind. No, I I would love to hear it So I did a couple games against the an1 team Like playing on the other team with the guys that they just like destroyed. Yeah, so I was like the guy that was like a better professor Yeah, and then like realistically it was like not something to destroy you so One of the guys on the team. I forget his name is a dude from dc Uh, he told me he was like there's this kid in minnesota. It's like 17 years old 18 years old Jumps out the gym. So I got his name from one of the guys from the coach mike ellis for the other team He's like, yeah, man, and it's on there. It says the the oldest her So, all right download thing and mind you um 22 what did the name say? Sorry theodist her always remember this and I we were just talking about the other day when I saw so I looked for this guy and mind you we didn't have like the crazy internet back then But I could download like an app or a thing on the computer that was You know, I paid 50 bucks to find like somebody with this last name So I find theodist Turner Okay, like hey, man I'm starting this thing flight brother. There's wool blonde. He was like So who the fucking I was like, I was like, you're the guy dunking at the an-one-one run. He's like, oh, man. You talk about double I'm like, let me I'll get you connected with him. He was only 17. He used my id Yeah, oh my god So then finally, uh, I connect with somebody with teedob's last name It's his uncle that he hasn't talked to in years. He's like, you're looking you're looking for You're looking for terrell. Yeah, like for what? It was like, I want him to dunk like I want to, you know, do some stuff It's like, all right I get on the full with teedob and I'm like trying to explain what I'm trying to do And he's like, so you telling me You're gonna fly me out there and I'm just gonna dunk Like I was like, yeah, man. He was like He was like, all right. That's what's up. He was like, I've never been on the plane though. Maybe I'll drive. I was like, oh my god I was like, I'll fly you. Yeah. He's like, all right. I pick him up from the airport. He's just like, man That was the first time like I I met teedob When I flew him out when I was working three jobs in lull massachusetts Uh, and like it was it was crazy And there's like It was a good time and like the most tragic events ever That's wild So it's so before when you first met him in person, had you ever seen him dunk yet? Or you only heard of him dunking I saw him on the ESPN show on oh wow, but it wasn't like he wasn't Like not the last one where a lot of people seen it was one where he just like went baseline and dunked on someone They're like, yeah, he's like five six and he's like more like Five eight five nine like I think usually I mean everybody knows I put people like an inch shorter It's like me whatever Like he's he's probably actually like five. I'm fucked up. Yeah okay, so You when you contact a teedub was he one of the first people you tried to recruit for team flight brothers? And like how did team flight brothers start? Where did that start? Okay, so this goes back to when I got out of high school There was a lot of buzz on the internet about me and tim low Tim low the buzz was real about me That is like I wasn't that guy, you know what I mean? Yeah, so we did stuff with slam nation and whatnot But I was like trying to start like my own group or whatever And so we play tim and I played in a game in the Fort Lauderdale at dillard high school So, you know some leggy ass kid the big ass afro comes out wants to dunk against him Kid does like a lob between the legs. This is in 2005. So that was crazy Tim destroyed him too. Wow, but it ended up it ended up being worm And that was the first that's the first time I've met worms. So okay, it was it was worm Uh, it was worm myself Tim There was this kid Robert Parker who lives in Orlando now this kid Mark that lives in Orlando now and we were just like We were just trying to like figure something out. I don't know. It was just like fun at the time I didn't have pills yet. Yeah, so it was like, you know, it's trying to make this happen But the original was like worm worm was like the first one that's still around now So you're that's cool. So you kind of just decided to try to make a team and kind of compete against other people Or was there like any business behind it? It wasn't so much like it was more like halftime shows and hobbies So, okay, like I was like boys and girls clubs. That was like our first like shows for boys and girls clubs in like 2004 Like before t-dub was there. So we would do like ymca's and boys and girls books. So that's what it was Uh, and then it was like when I went with slam nation I was like, man, like You know, there's some guys there that were fucking crazy But then I was thinking I was like, man Like worm's gonna be really good in a couple years and tim could probably just take care of business here So like it was just like it opened my eyes to like the avenues Because I was still a kid wanting to dunk and that's like when I kind of had to make a decision like am I gonna be The try to be a dunker or am I gonna try to facilitate these guys like You know being the bigger picture Yeah So there's there was a time when you were dunking like was it china or japan? I don't even I did. I did uh I did paris Was shanghai and taipei long Taipei tai chung is like a couple cities in taiwan and that's that was like my like You know year of dunking and stuff, which was awesome Yeah, so where did that come from? You just got like uh, they kind of saw some videos or they so they saw videos of tim and I It was like it's just like such a it was like traumatic time like because I was 19 uh, and I you know the the company it was jeremy, um, adina who's now he's uh was a go bears agent Now uh, and I run into him every once in a while But he hit me up. He was like hey like we're gonna bring some americans with us You know would you and tim want to go? It's like yeah, absolutely Tim didn't show up like completely flaked what Still it's still my guy to this day, but he knows like every time it gets brought up. I'm just like you bastard I was 19 and I get on a plane to my miami to freaking taiwan Oh my god, and I'm just like man like what the fuck is going on, but so they brought us out there Uh, I went out and dunked with them for like five shows immediately like I get off the plane. I go straight to the to the place that dunked and Like a couple things like threw me off But like obviously the biggest thing was like there was like yon and brice the blame steve labelle Abdul obama kador ziani and surge mogular I saw brice jump and I was like What the fuck am I doing here? It was like I was like man, I'm not that like so that was like that was like the eye over like him And like labelle. I was just like man, there's no way like I can deal with this because those guys they were consistent And they just jumped out the gym. It was like the first time I I thought tim was like the highest jumping dude on the earth I was like this guy is shorter than me and yeah Like so that was like it was really intimidating and I was shook for like Two shows I'm I probably made one felt like two shows. Yeah, and they're like who they're like Who's this garbage guy and then after that it got a little better, but it's still like I was nowhere near them their level Right, that's rough. It was tough man. I'm 19. I'm just like damn Like this was my chance, but then yeah like other opportunities came after that But it was just like you got to make that decision like whether you're gonna go this way or this way And yeah, you know, I I feel like I made the right decision Yeah, so so then when you came back and you kind of made that decision Did you have like a game plan in mind or any like goals and had in mind or no not at all It was just like there was there was nothing there like even that avenue wasn't like Even before I got out there with slam Asian. I didn't know who they were I was just like, all right, this is dope. Like I saw pictures of them. It was on a on a website That's Ronnie field sacred temple. So I'd see I'd see Pictures and I'm just like man, that looks crazy, but I didn't know until I got there They had DVDs and stuff. So they had already been like doing stuff You know could door always puts the stuff online. They were, you know, the original the original guys, but it was just like I just felt like it could be like so much bigger and like for some reason like what they're what Jeremy was doing I was like I think I can do this better and I guess there was like a competitive thing that came in me that I was just like man like I can Like I can do I can put guys together and run this thing a little You know different that's that's really cool. I just had a thought Are there any from the original guys? Maybe t double worm that were anybody in the original crew when you were running pickup games that you weren't filming that you remember A dunk that you wish you had on tape Anything like that. I'm sure there's plenty but anyone that stand out couple So we're doing a city of palm show in 2007 And you know I'm at the time I'm not like so much like a Manager or a boss. I'm like their boy. So I'm like tita It's fucking we're done jumping man. We got a practice session in this was bam It was like first time there and bam was like, you know, I'm not going to jump We didn't jump at all. So And I this I wasn't even there for this either. So I left. I was like, all right. I trust you're not going to jump in political life He absolutely did. So I guess he played in the game and It's confirmed from like Bama I'm not sure if mills was there or not mills might have been there Or he might have heard about it with me, but Tito's brother and like a couple other guys like the original guys They were like, you know Tito how to rebound jumped over two fucking people Like cleared them and like I guess the whole gym went crazy and he dunked like shit that night Oh my god, he jumped himself out But then another one we were in low and it was me Danny Ford who was 4g and team flight brothers in jimmy and I The camera said we had everything going I'm talking about like everybody was dunked here like I even had one in the freaking game in this dude I uh, I like drove to the lane I go up like I'm going for a layup and I just bounced it And you just see jonesy come on in and we mind you we're the only three white dudes at the park He catches this dude Lays out on him and just like the whole place it looked like somebody was shooting up the park because everybody ran out We go home that night. We watch the video and it's there. So we're just like, yeah, that's awesome So then we decide we're gonna go out and have some fun that night. We went out. We come back home So we press record and record it over the whole What did they record another game or just the back? No, just the wall just hit. Oh, no, my god to this day Like Jonesy and Danny Ford like if you just like say you say to him, you're like, hey the lost tapes They're just like, oh, yeah, because Danny even had one that was crazy. Yeah, like with Jonesy laid out on Dude the Jonesy ones um When his game dunks are some of the most vicious like the way he took off on. Oh my god It's just it's crazy with him because he's like There's like certain times where he just like wasn't like jumping and then all of a sudden in the game It's just like what just happened. Yeah, like he like that. He was always tricky. Apparently he still is You know, yeah 42 years old Yeah, his game dunks were crazy inspiring to me and also just like I've always wanted to dunk on people the way he does and like the left right the way he does is just nasty Um, so moving on a little bit from the past to the future Do you have any favorite dunkers right now or any people you're most excited for? I know that's kind of a loaded question Man, I love Antonio You know teeth lying that kid There's been a lot of people I I like try to pride myself on like Getting people their first flights and first like, you know, their first like time seeing like what their abilities can do for them He came to new york when we do the thing with nike and he like not only he's a great kid but This kid's the real fucking deal. Yeah, like he um, he's been progressing super fast Well, he's jumping on concrete all the time man his concrete and rubber. So he got him like wood floored He was like, man, this is crazy. Yeah crazy, man. How tall is he again? He's uh, I think he's like six three Okay, something like that either six three or six four, but he's like he's consistent, man. He like he gets up um I don't I don't put like Isaiah and cj and that anymore like they they're there already. Yeah, um I don't know. I there's I guess there's like too many Yeah, I have a follow-up Who do I? Hmm I don't know. It's just it's it is tough. I asked you because I know it's like kind of your job to kind of know who's up and coming But um, I'm like I'm all about the people that are just working their butt off. So even like because for me, I know like My own experience is taken forever. So when I see people make any type of progress It's just hype and when I see that they're super hype about just landing a new dunk or just not stopping and working every detail That's what I'm about. So I zanned like he started his youtube up again. So it's just so fun to watch his training I know um, I just talked to a lot of the dunkers all the time j clark's like putting in so much work and Even chase it's fun to see chase kill gannon and put it get up again Like he's been injured a lot So just see I like seeing people come back because it just shows that their real dedication and even jordan kill gannon Like he's just still doing it Everybody it's just there's so many coming up too. It's just fun. But my follow-up question was um Since you're kind of the guy that people like people look for for um Opportunities, what would you have as advice for some of these young dunkers that are on instagram if they're trying to stand out? Is there anything that you could give them? Well, I mean, it's like crazy Like because you know, I obviously get a lot of dms and stuff if you want to check my stuff Check my stuff, but really like in that sense. Nothing's nothing's changed with me I look at the hashtag dunce fucking three times an hour. Yeah, like I know like what's going on um, honestly Obviously the dunks are going to be crazy like Worked on your like couple dunks that are consistent like get five consistent dunks that you know can wow people uh But honestly at this point like I'm an old man now Like just be a good person like be encouraging to other people like all the like bullshit when people go back and forth It's like I see that and I'm just like yeah, it's just like slight matter. I don't I don't like it uh, it's just like You know, we're here like a lot of people have this like awesome gift and this like great You know ability to like Possibly be the there's so many people that could be the best dunker in the world You know what I mean? It it's really cool before it's like what? We're like each other. I'm like, yeah Yeah, it's it's actually I'll do all right. Yeah, it's actually a pretty positive community from what I see I'm sure you see the same thing. It's like a lot of people are really high for everybody working It's like there's very little of the back and forth But compared to like a lot of other things on social media the dunk community is pretty positive You know like with guys with So, I mean, I think everybody just calls it your group of guys You guys have a solid group that you come up the past four or five years And that like is like crazy because I'm used to the other group of guys that just like With you guys, it's like you're happy for the you know for like I say it does great CJ is like man. I'm so happy for my stuff. Yeah now when like other guys like obviously like Sometimes you see people just be like, yeah, man like fuck that guy. I'm better It's like whatever. All right. Like I mean even like Jordan and G would go at it and it just be like, yeah, man like Like just chill the fuck out. Yeah, I mean so that's like I had another question about contests because these contests we know NBA contests how they're working your master at it It's pretty evident But is there a style of contests you think would because I've been discussing with All the people on instagram and things like that. It's it's tough to judge a contest with somebody that's Short for somebody that's tall if they do the same dunk if somebody jumps way higher What would you say is a good way to judge a contest? Is there a good way? So when like all said and done like the ultimate goal is You know Olympics So I think like something should be like put in with you know A 1.0 to a 10.0 with different Categories power originality style Uh, and I think that's how it should be judged uh obviously It's Like every people know the tricks. Yeah, you know, I mean like there's push-offs There's like all that stuff But when it comes down to people will be like push-offs suck like this sucks And then when it comes to the contest time, it's like damn. I need to do a push-off Yeah, that's the cross that I react. So it's just like I guess It there's really no right answer like I Obviously like would love to see things more original like unfortunately in other contests like I judged like city slam Even dunkly the first one There would be dunks and like for city slam. It's like you got to like act like You you know, this is the first time you're seeing it. Yeah now like fortunately I'm in a different place where now like the next dunk league uh I can be like listen you've been doing that for six years Fucking six man. Yeah, you know, so I guess like originality. It's just like tough It's tough. It's tougher than it looks like even the NBA is so so much tougher than it looks like it's tough Yeah, I I the crowd factor is really tough I I was also thinking like the the right judges need to be in there because a lot of times It's like it's so subjective as you know, but it's like some people don't know about those tricks I feel like the judges should know about those push-offs. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I mean If we're talking like NBA stuff, then yeah, like absolutely even though They're great people But I'm just Well, the year in 2018 With donovan one like I you know, I got to talk with a couple of the judges and be like, hey, like this is This or whatever and they did all right, but obviously it was a couple This year it was just like Yeah, like what can you do? But judges that like mean something that like no more about dunking should definitely be there Uh, but even like Sometimes that doesn't work out. So it's just like and they won't like if we're talking NBA We're never going to let you know, kudorziani me T-dove go judge a dunk contest, you know, right? Like but that's like something that maybe like dunk league can Like yeah, that's really cool. Um What was I about to say I was about to ask. Oh, yeah, so that uh whole production It was with Vince Carter. Can we talk about that? I don't know what you're talking about, but Soon I can't talk about that one. Okay. Maybe I have to come back Yeah, we're gonna come back to that one. Okay. A couple months, man, but you know, those NEA's are For sure for sure Do you have any goals for the dunk world or anything you'd like to see happen? In terms of maybe olympics or any type of like progress towards that Honestly, I think olympics is the Honestly, that's always been kind of the goal after I was like 25 or 26. That's always been the goal. Uh, I it's I feel like You know managing some players and like just doing this whole thing. It's taken years off of my life So I'd like it to happen as soon as possible But the olympics is a hundred percent. It's realistic And it's a goal that's like achievable. It's just like being like right things happen The feeba contest and whatnot because now it's like the same stuff over and over Like to change like a couple things up if if possible because the olympics is Obviously a goal. I'd like to see it get to a point where this is You know, we say dunk league made it into a sport But I'd ultimately like to see it like actually become somewhat of a sport where players are taken care of on like a On a salary basis and like it I started thinking like healthcare type of stuff too Like I just they're like as I get older. I just I'd like to see it be more of a profession than a hobby Yeah, and it is a profession for what six to ten guys Yeah, I'd like to see that go to like 50 to 60 guys almost like skateboarding Yeah, I actually had the same exact analogy with skateboarding or actually mma Because the way mma was like popular kind of like in the underground That's kind of how I feel dunking is right now and then eventually like right now It's it's so similar because mma used to be in gyms like in the back corner And now right now i'm dunking in between games at an la fitness, but as mma grew it became its own gym And now I'll tell you on the mma point Uh, it'll bring me back to the dunk contest and my good friend and the guy that kind of like Really like helped me get into everything his name's anthony pitosa He he worked for the ufc for a while and I was like we're talking about the mba dunk contest It was like man because hami Used one of his four dunks that we were going to use he didn't use three of his dunks Like man, like how could we like facilitate like making this happen where everybody goes for it? And he was like well Ufc has fight of the night You know the the performer of the night So you can have the champion and you can have the dunk of you know like the dunker of the night type of thing Like if his score is fucked up because he messed or whatever it can be like a different thing and have a purse for You know the best dunk of the night or not So for the olympics would it just be like a dunk contest similar to the mba or would it be kind of like a new format like I would go new format with it for sure like obviously there'd be free limbs and whatnot and then Like similar to what we do in dunk league like props Hey, man Actually, I'd be like use your props like we know it So it's like I I just like to Definitely like with free limbs, but just kind of different like more more More opportunity but not as many attempts like if this is going to be a come of the olympic sport Like we have to have guys doing 360 between the legs like every fucking time And that's like it's tough to man, but that's like what we're going to need I mean, yeah, if we're talking olympic level, I would say that's pretty standard Yeah, we need like we need like clerks, you know, we need that kind of crap going on all the time clerks and myries and those freaks the nature Yeah, for sure man, um That's pretty wild like I would love to see it in the olympics I definitely think it its own gym like it's going to be inevitable just because it's growing so much and I just think dunking as a as its own sport like you were mentioning is healthy because like you're saying with knees We all have bad knees. It's like it takes your whole body It takes your mind it takes so many things that You need like its own gym for it and you need to like you can't just dunk in between games You need a your own court where you're where you are allowed to film so you could critique your Friggin footwork. I think it'd be great to have a dunk gym. That would be awesome. I completely agree. I think the dunk camp what Andy has going on is just like Fucking phenomenal. Yeah, like that's something obviously it's been brought up like years and years ago, but that's just not Right, like that's just not for me. It's just really good to see like him like take over that And do like what he's doing. That's like that's Going in the right direction and that's like that's what needs to happen So this like continues to move forward because like if shit like that doesn't happen Then we're just we're running on treadmill. So that's like a huge step towards it. Like it's awesome It's so awesome the dunk camp. I'm so excited for this year. It's just it's so awesome for the For us to meet up because we don't as as like all of us guys even though we live close We don't even meet up because we're on such different schedules and we're just all trying to train But it's also all the people that we talk about or see we get to all meet up And then it's also cool for kids that we we don't know about to show out and also get their first dunk It's just awesome. Um, yeah with dunk camp What so so dunk camp is not really your thing, but what is your goals? What do you have any goals that are specific to you? Yeah, I just honestly like the number one goal is just to be healthier and pain-free Be able to move around honestly like six months ago I Was just like laying around well when I was home I would just play around and just like think about like man. I would just love to run full speed right now Like I hadn't done that in years. Yeah, I'm still like trying to build up to that. I'm still like mentally not ready um, but I See number one's healthier. Like obviously I want I want to dunk again. Like I got I got these guys going on Yeah, yeah, yeah From trying but it's just Yeah, I guess the ultimate goals like to dunk but just to be healthier, man. There's you don't You don't know a wake-up call like seeing yourself on tv and being like Yeah, like that's That's the bad one when you're like, man, what's going on right now? And that Yeah, I can't even post things. I can't even post throwback thursdays from last year Yeah Any other goals outside of dunking or just life goals in general? Yeah, no, just be healthy be happy. I'm I don't know. I'm just like I'm I'm in a weird space now where It used to be like competition. It used to be like all this stuff. Although like competition still gets me going like I'm just like Just want to be happy and I want this I want dunking to do well like I just want to be able to be like I helped Like do something for sure that was bigger than just You know, whatever I do for myself, dude, that's awesome. I love that So dude, it's what's crazy to me is that Since even when me like you started before me But even when I was starting like there was not many short people dunking And now it seems like because of the internet so many younger kids are seeing it and starting so young It's really they're like in high school jump in close to like upper 40s. It's just wild Uh, what do you think? What do you think of zion you think he's gonna be in the mba contest winning it easily or Anything, you know, no, I can do this now because I'm on contract. So I can like say what I want, but I had a conversation with one of the The mba execs the other day and it was like It's like somebody, you know, whatever like I don't know about You know, maybe we won't go after zion or whatever and I was just like It's like that sounds ridiculous. Dude's like, yeah, I know 100 I I will go back to the college contest if zion's not the contest maker So that's like 100 the goal. Wow the goal next year and I'll just I'll round it off for you real quick This is what I want. I want six guys. I took the zion, homie Jamarant Terence Ferguson Derek Jones. Oh, shit. We're oh, no my bad job not jamarant See ya Levine Gordon Jones Zion, oh my god Ferguson. That's what I want and that's like and You know, I'm there to suggest me and chase are there to suggest things like help out through the process and whatnot But that in Chicago would be Crazy, yeah Bring bring back the 2002 format like just like the thought of that You know, wherever Yeah, like what's like he hit me up the other day. He was like, dude, it's so crazy when I thought You know when I saw the zion declared all I could think was like, man I'm so happy for chuck. He's gonna get to work with this guy. I was like, man, I hope so Did so Is zion the most explosive person you've ever seen best dunker at like his size? I mean Oh his size. I've never seen anybody at his size like moves Or I know you gotta think like guys his size were like chat Yeah, you know, like you think like maybe rodney rogers, but he didn't choke like zion like there's there's guys that Like Clarence weather spoon, I guess but he was like six five and like two 90. It was just like zion Every time he leaves the floor. I like get nervous. Yeah Dude, dude, what gets you most hype is and is it game dunks? Is it just like a new dunk landed? Is it just head over the rim? just like Something clean and crisp and powerful like To me like if I if I close my eyes like when you just said before you've been asked the question You're like what gets you like I knew like you were gonna go with dunk and like the first thing that pops in my head Is vince carter's 360 window like just like something like clean Perfect Enthusiasm crowd like that's it for me like game dunks are awesome But I'm like dunk contest guy like that I just love that when somebody can take like a whole crowd Put them in their hand And be like I am I know how good I am at this And i'm gonna show you and you're gonna think i'm the coolest guy And they just go do it and it's just like it's the most beautiful thing That shit just like gets me a different way Yeah, yeah, so you said I meant you heard you mentioned bring it back to 2002 format. I'm not familiar with that What is the difference? Just three dunks in the first round two in the finals I feel like right now two and two is like doing the players justice of what they could do I even did three three dunks in the first round two in the drop the worst score that they had in the first round So it'd be like if somebody missed They could drop that score then use the other two scores So right I feel like that would be a little a little better for the guys What's wild about those people that you named to be in the contests is that like it seems like especially I I think erin gordon sticks out to me as like he's kind of like adopting the dunk culture Like even when he was in high school like he's trying like he tried to under both oversize Like he looks like he's watching the community as well The crazy thing with erin is that I don't know like a couple of people know this but not too many but In 2016 He only made that dunk one time the under both over someone He only made it one time and he tried it over a hundred times All right And he made it the first time in that contest. So that contest was just special. Yeah, but erin's always been You know, he came up in like the the tfb the hoop mixtape the yay areas finest era Yeah, so that guy was like Studying dumps and there's even like articles that couldn't be like I watched Dunk ademics and team flight brothers and stuff and she's like damn bro Like that's super dope and now he's like, you know texting in december be like hey, man Might need some dunks and shit. So yeah that dude It's really cool to see the mba guys do it if the thing is with that contest It's like those six guys do it and they have like an amazing contest They're all trying like crazy stuff that we know as a dunk community, but the world doesn't really know I feel like that'll help spark the Its own sport Yeah, I mean for sure if but it's like Sometimes the guys are like very outspoken about it and being like I didn't do this first like this person did sometimes they're not Yeah, so it's like that's what we need like this year You know with homie like the contest was eh, he did his thing He was super vocal. He was like, yeah, man. Like this is what I did You know, whatever donovan, you know, just like talking about it stuff during the contest uh glenn And it's just like there's certain people That just need to be like, yeah, man. This this who helped me out or this is where I got the inspiration for it If if say, I don't even know just say like best case couple olympics from now I don't even know just say there's like prelims starting Could you fathom some mba players that are gonna go that route? Like kind of like that made it to the mba and now they see dunking as like something that they love as a part of it Or the mba is too much for them I mean, I don't It just depends on like what they're doing. If they're like a g-league or them. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, like The times have changed like before when teams like brothers started it was an outlet for basketball players that were free athletes that Needed a second chance to you know be on a basketball court to get paid Now you got you know, oh you guys are friggin you went to college You know isaias in college like you guys have Your education and whatnot like this isn't a this isn't a cop out. This is what you guys want to do So I can absolutely see that happening. Like there's a couple guys that I'm like, yeah, why wouldn't they go to the olympics and just like make this money? Like if it happened today, there'll be a couple guys and they're gonna be like, fuck They're Don't you know pro dunkers might be in trouble Yeah, it's pretty wild that uh Like to think in the future like I don't know how however long like just people growing up as like that's their sport Just like we're talking about MMA and that they go to contests They go to tournaments and it'll be like a dunk tournaments and they can just kind of go that route. Um I also have this app. I know it's it's weird. It's gonna be awesome. Anyway, I had this other thought that was random What about you? What do you think about a league that kind of Has a height requirement and then you all dunk on lower rims like uh, like for under six feet people There's like a nine and a half foot hoop or something like that. I'm fucking in man Very good. Yeah, just give me like a year, bro. I mean, dude, that would be so That would be awesome. Well, they have that baby dunk on it. Yeah, and that's like super dope. That's like That's what we used to do. Yeah In middle school and high school just go and Saturdays just go dunk on the kids that drank beer and shit Oh, yeah, I mean the same thing. But yeah, I mean Anything that's involving like that surrounding dunk as the main objective has my like 100% though. Yeah That's awesome back to those freak athletes that you talked about you just found these guys That were freak athletes were there any that like stood out as like that looked like they would never be able to jump Or just had no training ethic at all or work ethic and they could just fly at any contest Fucking tea dog man. Yeah go That dude that dude, I'll tell you what I was around him for years and he You know, oh, he'll see this, you know, that's my guy. I love that. I love that guy to death, man And he me too. He uh, he just back in the day. He smoked cigarettes. He you know, whatever and he's just I never saw this dude work out a day in his life But to this day he's like the most phenomenal thing I've ever seen just I don't know happen whether there's like actually I guess it's genetic There's legendary stories about his dad and stuff like that his dad could like really you know hang on 11 feet and stuff So Yeah He literally I never saw him. He would just chill all the time. Yeah And then also Bama air Bama who Has gone through three acl surgeries Two on I think his left and one on his right That dude would sleep before like shows and then he'd go like hit his face on there. Yeah so like It's there's just some guys that just I guess, you know are blessed with it Yeah, Tdubs definitely at the top of the list. Yeah, dude. Yeah I think that's a great place to go I mean just just watching your videos was actually probably the first thing I saw that ever like Open my eyes that there's freaks like that. Like I remember I like Andy Nicholson since he was my height White dude starting at the same. He showed him just touching rim to dunking that was like probably what sparks me Like believe I could do it But Tdub like the first time I saw it like broke my brain And just was that was always my dream before I even knew it was possible And I also just just got to say thank you for uploading those videos because god damn I still watched those I just watched like a week ago his in-game dunks And I think you were throwing the lobs and it's just like those dunks I can't even imagine doing that still and I'm I'm kind of close to it But still that's literally my dream when everybody anybody asked me my dunk goals. I say just look up tdub You're getting there. Yeah I mean you've come a long way Yeah, I remember I remember when you first started uploading your videos I remember seeing I think your first dunk off You were left foot right hand. Yeah Yeah, I I remember seeing that I was like, oh good for this guy and then like years later. I'm like, this is the same Yeah, I mean he brought he brought that I've always had like that aggression in me But then when I watched the way he dunked dude every time I go up is like I just try to take off like that and just don't like that you do it on your off the backward ones You do the same like look away. Oh man. I just like yeah, it's really dope And I you know, I just saw tdub two weeks ago for the first time in six years Yeah, uh, and we hadn't talked Said like until last year for four of them Uh, and it was just like it wasn't even like disagreements or anything like that. It was just like Both going like our separate ways type of thing and You know, he's still He looks like he's in shape It's like But here's the thing is that his lifestyle has changed like big time You know, he's got two like beautiful kids like he's and he's like Prioritized and prioritized a lot differently. So what I'm saying is that He told me he's ready So I'm hoping that he gets his ass down here and we get ready because that's There's not a lot of guys that I'll open my house to now because I used to open it to those maniacs back at me Think I have like ptsd from them like If he you know, he knows that he is more than welcome down here and he You know, he's said that he's down to do it. So that's like You know, dude, he's 32. So dude, it's more than doable Yeah, if he's if he ever gives you the green light, let me know and I'll be down there in a minute and Dude, that was like drive. Yeah, it's not even it's just crazy How like just him playing in a game watching those highlights like could inspire me so much I never even met him But just like the way he finishes and like the hype like I remember that in-game dunk I just watched him. He just like catches a pass There's a little like drop step like he sneaks a pass in and then like just takes a little hops up two hands I hear him go. Ha just like at the top It's just like even for a basic dunk against whoever it's just like that's how I would be every time I dunk it It's easy and everything about teed up Like, you know, he does the thing. He's like greatest dunker of all time. Where's dunker in the world and stuff There was literally for a period of time There was everything that he did in the air and even not in the air that made him You know goat area and that's even with tj Even with gi like even with everybody. There was just his swag is different most different dude you'll ever be in your life and but it's like Just like the shit he did in the air You it was It just never got like normal to me Because a lot of things I get normal. I see I would see gigo behind the back over a fucking truck or something I'm just like, yeah, I'm used to that shit now. Yeah, or tito would just be like Be like, how the fuck did that just happen? It just didn't look real, man I mean they still fuel me because I see those things and that's all I just want to do that for like a Period of a couple months. Just have those type of games and just that's it. I've seen a couple I've seen a couple Yeah, I did I did I'm trying to make it this year. We'll see Even do what this year. Yeah Well, maybe all right Anyway, I think that's it man. I really appreciate your time. It's been a while It was really great getting to know you a little bit. Um, I definitely would love to have you back Is there anything else you'd want to say anything you want to shout out anything you want to leave with just you know, I just like hope every everybody just keeps pushing this forward Just stay humble. Don't be assholes and just like work at it support each other and whatnot You know, don't don't be don't be overly selfish once when everybody does well You know then things are better, right? If it's just one person doing all right and doing really good It's not gonna work out. You got to think about, you know, 10 years from now How you like helping somebody else out is gonna get this sport So just leave a legacy, you know, you'd be better than you were yesterday. Mm-hmm. I love it. Thanks a lot man. Um What's it gonna say if you get a dunk down you're gonna be posting it Not man I know the people that don't like a meter. Yeah I'm actually I'm not a fan. I'll like it, but I I'm not a fan of those store bikes Because I'm like, is this new or not and then it it just feels like I got me not not fan You know what? I know Bruin pisses off. That's why I do it I like it. I love it. All right, man. We'll talk soon, brother. I really appreciate it It's my pleasure. Take it easy Stevie I'm a planet earth native. I'm enjoying all the moments because you're such a thrill living and I'm not sure if you notice