 This is Mike with the 21 report behind the scenes in Orlando, Florida for the 21 convention 10 year anniversary I'm sitting alongside Rolo Tomasi offer of the rational male series Rolo You just gave your first talk at the 21 convention first of all welcome. Thank you. Thank you for starting. Yeah It's good to have you here man So to get in some to some before we get into some questions I want to ask if you could give a brief overview of your first talk today And why you chose to talk about in this case hypergamy I chose this because it's probably the topic that I know the best As I was saying in the actual talk if you go and you Google search the search term hypergamy You'll find that my site is the second Listing right after the Wikipedia entry for the definition of it I Think that the reason for that is first of all I write about that probably more than anything else because I really think that hypergamy is the underpinning of Pretty much every intersexual dynamic that we as guys face today and I think that it really needs to be More understood Simply because it affects so much it affects our personal Our personal lives are you know our intersexual lives with with girlfriends and wives and women near to approaching but it also goes to Has extensions into society and into how we will Direct the legislation for our country for how the social discourse is going to go just things that are appropriate to talk about things that aren't appropriate to talk about and how how it influences really what I what I refer to as a Feminine primary social order So whether we're talking about abortion or we're talking about consent laws or talking about divorce laws Things like that a lot of guys don't really understand that hypergamy is the root cause of a lot of the things that That we think is so unfair. We think oh well as guys, you know, why is it that? Why is it that guys or men get the sharp end of the stick when it comes to divorce laws or it's child custody or Alimony and things like that. We're still basing our of those laws on old on an old social contract, you know contract and that old social contract is Primarily based on the foundations of hypergamy. So You know taking care of the woman making sure the child is provided for that's an aspect of that a lot of people Want to just define hypergamy as the the sociological definition and that is that you know Women tend to marry up socio economically they do and if you want to just leave it at that That's the polite thing to do, but they just really don't understand that when you look at When you look at topics like ovulatory shift and you look at how that affects women's behavior How it affects their sexual selection process how it? influences Just who they're going to breed with and who they're not going to breed with I mean really hypergamy is the deciding selective factor that Decides really the the future of the species almost It's it we have given women such a control just a unilateral control over hypergamy right now You know fundamentally from you know the social aspect of things even even in religion even in legislation for likes an abortion and birth control and things like that all of that comes back to Giving women a complete and just absolutely unilateral control over Hypergamy and ultimately the direction of The race to you know the human species of who are they going to who are they going to breed with and who are they not So what would your if someone wasn't aware all this stuff hypergamy the red pill What would your short roller-tomacid definition of hypergamy be? Not to put to find a point on it but it's alpha fucks and beta bucks and or you can say that the nice way and say alpha seed and beta need and It is the pluralistic or the dualistic if you will sexual strategy of women and It basically comes down to women looking for a guy who is the hot guy Who's the has the breeding potential and has the the guy that she really wants to have sex with in a short term? Sexual most you'd probably like to have it in a long term as well, but in a short term sexual Context and then there's the the beta bucks guy or the guy who's the provisioning guy or the guy who is a good parental investment proposition and Never do the two meet you know Especially not now because so many guys are where we're polarized right now We've got 80% of guys who are very much the beta provider type And then we've got maybe 20% of the guys who are you know Who can actually pull off the alpha male kind of thing where they're going to be the one that women are going to prefer on tinder? for instance So in a nutshell Hypergamy is really it has to do with ovulatory shift and the behaviors that go along with that but from a functional standpoint it's breeding with the best genetic specimen of men and Assuring securing long-term security and provisioning and preventable investment from That kind of man Yeah, so in your books you talk about Becoming or being the guy who just gets it. Mm-hmm is a simple understanding a basic understanding of hypergamy enough or is there more to it than that Hypergamy is definitely a vital Part of that because if you don't have that education if you don't have that that knowledge of How women's sexual strategy operates you set yourself up for a lot of different things both short-term and long-term If you're just getting into you know learning game and learning to be a pickup artist or something I that this is just one aspect of it it helps you to understand and to optimize your game a little bit more if you are a guy who Wants to get into a long-term relationship, and you want to build the family and everything it will also teach you how to maintain that and how to Sustain your relationship and understanding what it is that you're you're dealing with most guys just simply don't have the The understanding of the background to that when I say you're you have to be a guy who just gets it What I mean by that is it has to be some kind of innate knowledge inside of you You have to it has to become part of you are so and I make references to that as far as red pill and intersexual dynamics is concerned But that has to come from inside of you has to be who you are so your innate Reflexive responses are based on the things you already know and in about hypergamy or things that you know about game or the things that you know about you know red pill, you know intersexual dynamics and Your expression of that comes organically and naturally and it's not something it's not an act I mean so many guys think that oh well, you know, this this stuff is just you're just learning how to Speak scripts and and you're just learning, you know wrote memorization pretty much as what it is And that's what they think that it all boils down to but it's so much more than that And it has so many more applications to it. So when I say you got to be a guy that just gets it I say that because most women don't want to be told about the game. They want to play the game They don't want to say. Oh, here's what they want to have a guy say here's what you're doing You know, I I know what you're doing and I'm gonna I'm gonna let you in on you know What you're doing and I'm gonna appeal to you in such a way that I think you're reasonable enough to understand this And but women don't want to hear that they want to play the game They want to know that you get it and they want to know that you can play along and they wanted That's why we talk about shit tests and things like that They don't want to a woman gives you a shit test. She doesn't want to Be told hey, you just gave me a shit test. She didn't want to say that she wants to know that I just gave me shit Just did you get it now and here you're there's that sort of natural organic given give and take and that's what I mean By just getting it because a guy that needs to be told How to be masculine needs to be told About shit tests needs to be told about the game that he's been playing in and God forbid a woman is the one That has to explain it to him. That's not the guy for her That's the guy that she's just like okay He doesn't get it and and either she puts up with it and deals with it and gets frustrated by it or The guy gets it and she's you know, she's good to go So towards the end of your talk roller you mentioned that there are some ways that you can make Hypergamy work for you as a man. Mm-hmm. Could you expand on that what you maybe some of the strategies or tactics guys can use? That's fine. I was just I'm just answering some questions after the after the talk about that with these guys Yeah, the the first thing to remember is you got to sort of split it up into two different Two different aspects the first is what's the what's the single guy going to do with this and what's the married guy going to do? So the guy in the you know long-term relationship a lot of people will say just simply don't get married or simply don't don't Don't entertain any long-term relationship Aspirations and while I understand the logic behind that it's not really practical not in the long term So you have to really look at at hypergamy from From two different standpoints one is well, I like said the the single guy and the married guy But also where is that woman in her stage of life and then in preventive medicine? I sort of lay that out from girls who are like say 15 all the way up to women who are 50 and Where they are and what their priorities are for men according to their hypergamy at those different states in their lives So you got a girl who's between say 20 years old 24 years old her priorities are gonna be a whole lot different than when they're gonna be you know 28 to 32 years old and So understanding that is I think the first most vital part for any guy whether you're single that you're married is understand what is coming up and where Your your wife or your girlfriend or the girl you just met or even maybe your your female boss You know or or your mom or your sister or whatever Where they are in their life and what is what is it about their period in their phase of life that? That is influencing them that is that Prioritized what is you know like like when women get to be 29 to 32 years old that's when we get these complaints about we're all the nice guys and I constantly read articles about Women saying you know I there used to be so many nice guys who were around for me and now I'm sexually invisible or Got or they then they'll complain and say guys are just these Adolescent kiddolds and they want to extend their adolescence and they they don't want to have anything serious And whereas before probably in their 20s you probably met plenty of beta guys who really wanted to be serious And they really wanted to get you know get together with them But now those guys are gone and she has passed her what we call the wall But she has passed her capacity to be sexually competitive now all of that that are just described Finds its roots in hypergamy. So again, we're talking about the the alpha fucks and the beta buck side of things So you've got let's say the girl who's 20 to 24 years old She's going to be more looking for you know the hot guy that she wants to have sex with and have fun No strings attached and it's her party ears. It's her college. She's going to go to these parties She's going to go do you know all this stuff and those are going to be her indiscretions that she's going to say Oh, I was so crazy when I was when I was in my college years to the the guy the nice beta guy that she wants to get With when she is 32 years old and so You know the understanding that the timeline is Vitally imperative now in the short term Also understanding where a woman is in her obviatory shift phase So if you've got a woman who is you know hot and ready to go, it's you know, she's dressed up nice There's cues or certain cues that women will give off They they'll dress in a different way. They'll speak to you in different way. They're more flirtatious They have a lower what we call this husky or sexy voice and they don't really even actually realize that they're doing it And they will pre-plan in the back of their hind brains They will say well We're going to go have a girl's night out on such-and-such a night And I will guarantee you that almost every time that they plan that it will be for the majority of those girls in that group will be in their Their highest proliferative phase now then there's the the luteal phase of course, which is when women are looking more for the comfort in this and the the rapport and familiarity and All these really oxytocin based Feelings of trust and then that's when usually when they you know lean back on their beta orbiters and they say, you know, they're kind of shoulder and and And you end up becoming the phone friend or as we call the emotional tampon and so In that respect it's really important that you understand You know from a month-to-month basis and then a year-to-year basis and then a lifetime basis so Understanding the fundamentals of hypergamy and how that affects the short term and the long term I think there's so many different applications for that even I'm just even one that's completely unrelated to To dealing with a woman, you know that you're familiar with or that you're approaching whatever if you've got a female boss And you know what her her stage of you know, ovulation is or what where she is in her Recycle you can plan ahead for that. You know, she's gonna be really bitchy and one yeah one week And she's gonna be really you know hot to go on another and she's gonna be down and depressed on another and it's Is it always like that now can women control that? Yes, they can but we're in a situation We're in a society right now where we excuse women of that. We completely say don't worry your woman We you know, it's completely excusable We don't worry about that kind of stuff and and I think it was even socrates was saying You know, we we expect women to have some sort of logical rational Capacity for self-control and to understand themselves, but they don't they don't understand that they don't want to understand that and For me or you or anybody else to say, you know, you need to understand that goes right back to getting it If I have to if I have to tell you about it and I could to tell you here's what you're going through That's not being organic and that's not playing the game And so I think it's very important for guys to do is to keep this to themselves keep, you know, it's it's your secret weapon. It's your this is your toolbox and Understanding what the tools are in here and hypergamy is a very big part of that It's a foundational tool, but it's still just one more tool and how you go about applying that is really individual to each guy So like I don't know what your situation is. I don't know what anybody's situation is But it's not going to be what I'm going through. It's not what you're going through And so you can that's the beauty of the rational male I think is you can take this and you can apply it to your own Your own context and again what you do with it is really up to you So this was this has been your first ever time speaking at the 21 convention Really interested in your thoughts on the event. What's your experience been like so far? Oh so far It's been fantastic. I you know, I Think viewers are probably gonna see this or they're gonna see the two speeches that I do But they don't understand the the stuff that goes on behind the scenes here And there's so much more going on at this and I like so this is my first time here So I can't really speak to the old, you know older prior ones But there's so much else that's going on. We have meet and greets I I spent close to three hours in the the hotel bar here just answering questions and just talking to guys and just And just that interaction the network. I really I need that stuff I really do because it gives me material and it gives me like things to think about and like for instance everything that's in positive masculinity the very I say the first Quarter of the book to almost third of the book is all dedicated to red pill parenting and that came as a discussion that I had with guys completely off the scene when I was doing the man-of-demand conference and This they would say, you know when my kids or my boys get to be 14 or 15 I'm gonna give him this book and it's gonna change your life because I don't want them to have to go through the kind of shit that I had to go through And so meeting up with guys like that. That's a perfect example. It's like when I'm when I'm meeting people one-on-one it it Inspires me and it gives me ideas and I go, you know what just like what we're talking about You know, that's another application for it. That's another application for the red pill It's helping guys who are married helping guys who are Who are parents and they want to make sure that their son doesn't go through the horrible divorce and the horrible situation that they went through So behind the scenes is where all that came from and so there's all this stuff that's going on like I know Christian McQueen is taking some guys out to the some of the clubs here in Orlando and Goldman's here as well and he's gonna be giving his his talk I believe on Sunday and You know, everybody here has such a breadth of experience We've got you know Alan Roger Curry. We've got Richard Cooper. We've got Ivan Throne is here a lot of these guys who are you know Fixtures, I think anyways fixtures in the red pill community and it's not just about angry dudes You know spitting hate at each other spitting hate at women and stuff I think anybody who would come to this who watches these videos or comes to these things You would know that just how ridiculous that idea is that all it does is just about about angry guys because the guys I meet and I'm Again, we've got some other events that are going to be happening that are off the the scene is like so it's not just about talks I Think that that's where a lot of the value of this Particular conference is is is in I know that a lot of people came here to see me I mean there's people who flew in from from Great Britain to just just to see me And I'm I'm very flattered. It's very humbling to have people come and you know say hey, thank you You saved my life But I need that one-on-one and this this convention really Really provides an opportunity to you know, you can pick my brain. I can pick your brain and really that's what I think the red pill Is really all about it's always been about that for me It's not just for me You know typing away on my blog and writing a new book or something like that I come from a forum background I was a Moderator on the so swab forum for you know years from 2002 all the way up until really just recently I think 2015 I was a moderator for a long time and so I'm used to that interaction In fact, I resisted making a blog because I was so hooked on that interaction and the great part about this is I get that here Yeah, you know, I get the the one-on-one and you know people have thrown questions at me like I would I Would never would have thought of that if I hadn't been here Awesome, so Before we wrap this up Rollo if people want to learn more about you more about your work Where's the best place they can go? Well, of course my website, which is the rational mail.com You'll find me there. You can also follow me on Twitter. I can't guarantee you everything will be some profound you know aphorism of truthiness, but You can follow me and find out what's going on there. I keep up with a lot of people one-on-one Via Twitter, of course you can pick up my books on Amazon I have the base book the core book, which is the rational mail. This is the core Fundamentals though, I like to call it the rulebook of The red pills far as I'm you know from my perspective And then I have everything that that comes past that is really sort of supplemental So you don't have to read three or you don't have to go one two three You can read three as long as you read this first you doesn't matter which one in even if I have a fourth one later These are really the supplements and these are more specific to guys To guys needs like I said, this one is the timeline Well, we're just discussing it a minute ago and then positive masculinity is geared towards Sort of taking red pill knowledge and red pill awareness and putting it into different realms like rep the parenting Understanding how masculinity is is under deliberate assault Tomorrow's Talk will we'll get into that maybe we'll do do this again. I won't talk about that but tomorrow's talk is going to be about Defining masculinity for ourselves and not allowing You know the feminine imperative and not allowing the village as I like to call it Define what masculinity can be for us or allowing them to confuse men so much that they they just simply give up on it Or they they define it for themselves and have no idea what real conventional, you know, honest-to-goodness male-based masculinity really is So that's that's what I wrote this book for and so you can Pick these up on Amazon. I have them in In of course in printed form They're all available on Kindle the first one is available on audible and the second one And I wish I could have made this announcement now But the it will be on audible probably by the time anybody sees this video It's they it's still in the review stage right now But the second book will be on available on audible by the time you watch this awesome stuff mind well rollo Yeah, thanks again for being here. Thank you being great out of me And with that you can get first access to rollo's talk on 21 University.com all by clicking the link underneath this video This is Mike signing off for the 21 report with rollo Tomasi. Thank you