 If you are there now. Good day's guests we've got Jerry Paol. How are you brother? Good mate how are you doing? Yeah good. So you're the man behind the madness of Rhygmeon It's a surreal experience brother It's the first licensed medical centre for ayahuasca in the world first of all congratulations! You're an amazing man, your stories are amazing you are also fucking crazy Fy enw i'r eich gweld yn ymddangos, ymddangos, yw'r amser, yw'r amser, yw'r ffyrdd ac yn ymddangos, ond yw'r eich gwaith yn ymddangos. Felly, mae'r ffyrdd, mae'r ffyrdd, mae'r amser yn ymddangos, a mae'r ymddangos yn Yiyawaskar, oedd yn ymddangos. Felly, mae'n meddwl i'r rhywbeth, yw'r ystafell, yw'r ymddangos i'r ymddangos, yw'r ymddangos. I was raised in a working class kind of shitty neighborhood, can you curse? Of course you can, I'll say it if it goes but I'll fuck you up. Fuck you up. I was in a violent family or a violent people and by the time I was a young boy, I was violent myself, I had sent home first aid, kindergarten, that kind of shit. And I was just having a real hard time as a kid in school. I couldn't do good in school and then I got kicked out of school, then I wound up in jail and then I had terrible habits, I mean terrible habits like injectable demoral, like every drug done in the sun. I loved strippers, I was married, I had a bunch of girlfriends and I was miserable and I mean miserable. I had just sold a company for about 90 million dollars and I tried to commit suicide then like crazy shit and I tried to commit suicide two times and the one time that I did I almost had 70 million bucks in cash you know and uh but I didn't know what the hell was wrong with me and everybody kept saying I looked like to my friends, it looked like I had the perfect life, I had a wife, two kids, bunch of girlfriends, all the money I could spend, airplanes that looked great and I was hanging on by a thread every day. I cried almost every night, something was wrong with me but I didn't know what it was. So one thing led to another and I ended up drinking the medicine and I was shown a video like but a real video, not like a video but a video that I could interact with yeah. I was shown a video of my grandfather molesting me as a little boy and it explained everything to me, it explained why I was crazy, I knew why I couldn't have a relationship with women, I knew why I didn't trust any men and it just all made sense to me and and the next day after seeing that well the the they actually came and merged my soul back and gave me a new heart uh-huh sounds crazy it's fucked right but but it happened and then the next day I was whatever normal is, I was normal for the first time in my life, I was talking to people before this I couldn't even have this conversation with you because I'd be thinking all this shit and then for the first time I could I could actually talk with someone it was crazy I never I never had the ability to do it in my life yeah yeah so what was the catalyst for you what was the turning point to go any tail because you've tried rehabs you tried every method under the sun to change I was I had tried everything and I was really getting ready to kill myself and I said before I kill myself this lady came to me and said that I have to try this thing and I said well before I kill myself what I said to myself is before I kill myself let me give this a shot because I was so when actually I was upset I was so upset I couldn't I couldn't even think I was so my life is so crazy and bad I couldn't even think that I was drinking myself to death I mean drinking myself drinking so much that I would uh when I throw up I throw up bile you know that the yellow stuff I throw that like I was going killing myself yeah a lot of people looking think 100 million why the fuck you see not happy but for me money's an illusion it doesn't really exist everything's within and people understand that other people won't because the ones that aren't happy are the ones who are chasing money uh-huh so it's very it's trying to find balance it's trying to find balance and but how did that affect your kids because you have two sides yeah so it was once explained to me too late that money is the great magnifier so if you're a good if you're really good and solid money makes you even more good and more solid because it's but if you're if there's a crack then money is going to expose that crack in my children were had front row seats to the destruction yeah so so when I when when my wife left me of 20 20 years she took my kids my kids wouldn't speak to me they wouldn't speak to me uh-huh and now my children are closer than any father and son that I know and that I know and it it I'm so glad that they had the opportunity to see this so they don't make that mistake because it's easy to make the mistake it's easy to think that money is going to fix it and money does not fix it that's the golden life as your kids seeing you doing well that my kids are a reflection of me I never seen my kids for years in and out I used to get my kids but passed them on to my mum so I could go out and get fucked up but yeah I was a great dad everybody thought I was a fucking great dad uh-huh so when you actually work on yourself it does it awakens your horizons it heightens your senses um to understand life a bit more yeah so obviously when you were your has your kids ever took ayahuasca yeah yeah yeah they love it do they they love it so your wife left you after 20 years was that after you became clean or before no before you know as a matter of fact she was a big factor in my turning myself around uh-huh and she's the only broken relationship that I have in my life yeah uh-huh she's still mad at me because I know you speak about when you change your circle changes it does the people you surround yourself with is the changes yeah the people you're becoming um show me your friends and I'll show you your future basically I love that and I've even heard that that's amazing yeah um so that's a great saying and is that a Scottish saying it's nice then now um when you first took ayahuasca what did you think I thought number one I thought I thought that I was going to be rendered into a fucking mental institution for the rest of my life like in that night I was yeah yeah I thought fuck I've gone around the bend and that's it so I thought I honestly didn't know who I was the next day I thought oh I'm going to wake up in a straight jacket and it's fucking over you know and and the craziest thing happened is that I had peace the next day there was some kind of strange peace that was going on it's like somebody cracked my head open and shook all the pieces and then they were coming back in a normal way it was crazy yeah so how where did you go to do the ayahuasca down the street from here yeah yeah about an hour and two hours from here four days well of the first one that I did was iboga uh-huh and then then later I did the ayahuasca the iboga was the first journey that I had where I went crazy and that was with an african shaman he was a wonderful shaman I was no longer in this country though so when you came out of that ayahuasca experience it wasn't all fucking rainbows and butterflies straight away yeah it was it was I'm gonna tell you the truth it was it was I was in such pain that just by virtue of the pain stopping I was dancing yeah because I was in such pain now a lot of people that aren't in that kind of pain it takes longer for them to to realize what happened but I was in such pain I mean I my barrel my gun was rusty like I was always had in my mind I was ready to to to kill myself in any minute you know so when when the pain stopped it felt like you know if you have a stone in your shoe for 20 years and somebody takes it out oh my god I can walk it was like it was just amazing for me why do you think the reason you never pulled the trigger I because I must have known that there was a different way I must have known I really thought I was I thought I was defective do you know what I mean I thought that that there was something deformed fucking wrong with me you know there is Jerry but in a good way now I love that you're right we're all fucking crazy we are all crazy when I'm doing the ayahuasca in there it's it's like a mental institution I forget what age I am do I have kids who's my mum it's like everything's fucking blank the one great thing though is the stars when you look at the stars you feel as if you can touch them it's in the shaming and the people in there they're amazing people because I'm so guarded I question everything I think what the fuck is this is this an illusion am I I don't know it's so hard to explain I know but they keep telling me to breathe and relax but you can't because I'm seeing fucking hell I'm seeing the devil I'm seeing people that I don't like I'm seeing fucking Michael Jackson it's weird man it's fucking weird bro it's where Jackson doing moonwalking but then I'm thinking and I'm trying to get my bearings and it's it's the first two nights were painful when I did ayahuasca last night I was at ease and then I had a breakthrough as I have to say something came to say um you're good enough yeah you're good enough yeah and then I woke up and I felt amazing I woke over the shower and I said I need to share something with you brother and I says I'm good enough and I think he was crying and he says it and it's so it's I don't know if I I just remember that there uh-huh yeah it's beautiful yeah it's fucking mental so ayahuasca then what is ayahuasca to you I I just think ayahuasca is a gateway to the soul so so I know it's chemical components and all that stuff and that is an earthly look it actually is a gateway to your soul you know when when you're drinking alcohol you know the the overriding voice you hear is the voice of your ego you know when you smoke weed sometimes you hear the voice of your subconscious but when you drink ayahuasca you hear the voice of your soul it's a very unique thing and when that soul starts talking and and so first thing that happens you just think of it like a dirty closet like first thing that happens is it goes in and cleans out all that shit from the closet and then your soul can start talking and like you're the last thing it said to you that says James you're enough right you're enough that's because all of that other shit was getting cleaned out and now you can start hearing your soul and your soul's nothing but love even for a tough guy right I don't care what someone's background is their soul predates all that shit and their soul is only love but you don't know it because you're walking through life with bills and kids and ex-wives and whatever the fuck is going on and you're caught in a fight but the whole time the essence of you is love and you don't it's it's if I were to sit here and talk to you about love and then you didn't have the medicine it's a hard concept yeah because life is showing me that there's not love and yet you're telling me there is a bit once the medicine hits boom you get to see it's just love and a good shit yeah because there's six days 70 different people in there and it's people who I have everybody's got problems there's people who are doctors surgeons policemen army all different ages from 21 to 75 I see the older people in there and I go I suspect we're constantly searching and it takes a lot of courage to come here and try and heal because they say doing ayahuasca here for four days is like 10 years of therapy and meditation all hitting you at once yep it's a ain't an easy ride it's not a easy ride but when you listen to people's stories it's heartbreaking because I was crying yesterday listening to when you did your your talk also Jerry when you talk you see people you know their names you know what happened to them yeah have you got the intuition or you spirit you're you like a specialist yeah when I see someone start to cry I can tell why they're crying okay yeah and that I felt so bad for that the one lady is in my heart I started crying so yeah yeah so did that gift come everybody's got the gift yeah everybody has it what happens is this you have it yeah you have it just like I have it but the thing is there's there's stuff that's in the way and as the medicine moves out to things there in the way you'll look at someone and say oh this guy's from Texas and this guy's from you just know it because you already knew it it's not something that you discover it's something you rediscover in you yeah you said your best one of your best friends when you've seen him no matter where you were if it was church you'd been a struck joint half an hour later doing blow no matter where I saw him blow and you started changing and then your friend now says about you don't speak to him anymore but your friend says yeah remember Jerry before he went crazy before I went crazy he thought that was normal fucking crazy um so because you went to rehab in Miami and no I went in California California Malibu sorry and you what was it 100,000 100,000 a month month and did you escape I know I stayed two months there yeah two months but uh when I got out I drank within just under an hour I was drinking so like you know yeah because you know you can't do it that way I mean you can yeah of course you can but if you do it through rehab that only means you just waste some money on rehab because you were ready to do it anyway you know what I mean like that so I don't believe in rehab so Rhythmia this is a five star resort the place is stunning who would you suggest is this open for anybody and anyone is there anybody you would say no you're not ready yeah so something in you knows when you're ready so all those people that you see here because this is a hard week anybody that has a place like this that tells people it's easy is fucking a liar this is fucking hard and and and if you're not willing to go through what's hard then you're just going to waste your money yeah and I don't want anybody to waste their money so so the thing is if you hear this and you feel like you want to go that's because your soul is ready to do it like you were ready even though you think you're not or might might have the thought that you weren't you're ready because you said yes to it when it was presented yet so the people out there that listen to your podcast that that follow you that hear this and it resonates with them even if they're afraid because anybody who hears this the first time goes like that's interesting fuck i'm afraid of that that's the natural shit those are the ones who are ready people who hear it and go and that's bullshit they're fucking crazy they're not ready and their soul knows they're not ready they have to do more earth time they have to do more uh like groundwork on themself yeah one life yeah i think in life no matter what you do jerry good or bad people judge when i was a wanker when i was a dick people fucking it was an excuse for them to hate me even though i was a i would fuck anyone's girlfriend i would i wouldn't give up i wouldn't care but then when you become a better person which i think people still fucking hate you anyway they hate forgetting better yeah i know that because it shines a light on their life that absolutely why can't i get to that level so the more successful i become the more fucking hate that comes with it and i i'm one of those men i want to be loved by everyone yes but that's a part of me that i want to change here because the first night i was here i said show me who i become and all i could do was laugh the reason being is because all through my pain and misery through my life all i've did to laugh is mask it is mask it and laugh at everyone and do stupid shit even when people die i just fucking laugh because i don't want to feel the pain i know but now the in rub me i you feel you fucking feel it but it's horrible and i curse you i go that fucking bastard voodoo doctors it's fucking i'm never coming back here and then after lunch i'm ready to fucking go again i'll tell you what you've been in lots of scary situations yeah many it takes a lot of guts to to drink that shit that yeah or it takes a lot of guts yeah so you've had over 5000 people here yes very high percentage of people that have healed your in the 90s 96 94 point yeah so which is amazing how do you keep track of those records as soon as they leave you're going to get a an electronic survey and you just check it off and then it gets computed through a program so it's constantly changing every day every weekend when people check out of changes but the the more interesting part is that of those 94 percent so it's 94 940 out of a thousand that six months later 97.55 percent of them because we send it to six month checkout you get another survey in the email that you just click off the things but six months later it's still working see a lot of these workshops and things and books you know you put the book down you feel great three days later you're doing the same yeah yeah this really sticks because it works on a party of that that you can't get to through a book uh-huh yeah so obviously Costa Rica nobody's ever had a license to do ayahuasca no and it's a very christian run place here yes so places like ayahuasca and going into deeper consciousness it's trippy shit it's it's like um for people who don't understand that it's you're going deep you're in a reality that you don't see but you feel when you're on ayahuasca so for people who listen i don't believe in religion religions to divide the world because it's easier for people to control then so how did they treat you coming here well initially they didn't they weren't too welcoming to me but now you know because uh there's all this data that shows that we're doing this amazing job now they're kind of coming around to liking what we're doing and the craziest thing is this this is what i love about ayahuasca if you're uh if you're a christian you'll bump into christ on ayahuasca if you're really a devout christian you'll see christ on ayahuasca so it's not in conflict with anything you know the teachings of christ and the teachings of mother ayahuasca are the same love one another be kind what's a simple basic shit so doctors must um really hate you then yeah they probably don't like me too much yeah so if i was i'm glad i'm down here and costa rica because if i was in the united states i wouldn't i would be fearful of my own life because you know that that you know big pharma doesn't cure anything and we watch people get cured of all kinds of things i mean for real cancers a limes disease uh autoimmune disorders of of all different types herpes that they never had in the first place that's why i'm here jerry oh edit that out um depression people who are suicidal and i've seen the change and people open up over there oh my god for some obviously god is not drinking uh he must be standing there thinking what the fuck because i can't imagine these things because i'm doing that and but you see people open up you get people talking about stars and the star gods came to see me and i'm like that fuck hell but i kind i kind of understand it but i don't i don't think i want you accept it that yeah it's um it's a surreal experience jerry it's it's magical but madness at the same time you know it's um but for a lot of people who take drinking drugs and gambling womenizing that's escapism also absolutely and we spoke about pharmaceutical more people die in this world with pharmaceutical drugs and any other drug in the world listen get by prescription they don't create cures they create customers yeah so again when scientists put a study to say 9.5 that this can help it's it's one it's the the highest behind meditation so even the breathing techniques we did here i was fucked doing the breathing yeah which is did you see things i was tingling as you see the stars it's like you black out and it's like you're in a child as well this is also real for people who are watching this search it look into it if you're struggling there's always help there's always remedies it's not necessarily this is right for everyone right but it's right for us it's right for people here because they believe it do you think the placebo effect can come into play also i would hope so you know because anything that heals the people you know the the the funny thing is this though if you ever did a double blind study you'd fucking know when you were on eyewask like there's no you know if we if we all had a drink and one of us had eyewask in it the other two would know real quickly because this guy would be so there's not really a way to judge but but the thing i can tell you is that with the placebo effect most people can't feel what's going on with eyewaska you just feel so much you're actually watching yourself heal yeah it's powerful so obviously i watch a lot of men like jody spencer and they say they can train the neural pathways and change the mindset and change the belief here it's like you're showing things to ask the eyewaster also one of the questions you say to ask the eyewaster when you're drinking it is measures me with my soul yes what does that mean so we believe that that and we were shown on on the original journey the above journey that sometime between when you're conceived in about five years old you get scared by something usually in your house and you split from yourself because it's not it's not safe to be vulnerable so you leave your soul and then that person becomes the football player the wise ass the class clown the whatever the fuck then he becomes the doctor the lawyer the as he gets older but he's still split so so we ask whatever god is to come in and to to heal us back and that is what heals every part of us is this re-merging yeah you have three different questions i think one is show me who i am yeah measures me with my soul and heal my heart yes so why in that order uh huh interesting because because you won't merge back with your soul your soul won't let you merge until you understand who you are once you understand who you are then the soul can merge because because they want to know that you're not going to do it again uh huh the soul does and then once you're merged it can heal your heart from the damage that you caused yourself you know everybody thinks the world did it to me but you did it to you and so so once you're merged uh and in in your psyche and your soul is sure that you're not going to do it again they can come back in and heal your heart and then you walk out of here a brand new guy you really walk out of here a brand new guy i think that's why a lot of people are fearful because a lot of people think they're happy and then when they take it everything fucking changes and it scares the shit out of them even more to realise okay i don't want to be a doctor i don't want to be a policeman i want to go and fucking grow fruit and cost a rica and yeah um yes imagine being 50 years old married for 20 years and realizing you shouldn't have been married for like that your person yeah well it's fear people are lots of fear so that you're very you're a very intelligent man you're clearly a very business orientated so when you got how did the idea of Rhythmia come about the the medicine told me i had to do it you know that that there wasn't a place see because like the cultural differences between an average american and average canadian an average englishman walking into an amazonian tribe that doesn't even speak spanish but speaks a dialect to for you to understand what's going on there it's it's so much so the medicine needed a bridge it needed uh a more westernized way of of of looking at uh i wasp and so that's why they told us we had to do it and we did it we did so a shaman what is what is a shaman well the thing is now that's that's an interesting question right because they're they're uh different things to different people but what i see the men is is they themselves are the bridge between between the two worlds and and people hearing this are going to say well they're talking crazy shit but you know for a fact there's two worlds and they're lined up right up against each other that right now you and i are in this one and in about 12 hours we're going to be in another because when i laugh the girl was at sarah sarah when i laugh see i laugh and it gets everybody else laughing she'll go boom dead again silent yeah what is that uh huh she was getting your energy back where where it should be so she did she blow chindew on you she was fucking across the other room though she did yeah yeah that's what boom yeah shut up crazy right what is what is that then ah that's somebody who's bridged both worlds enough did she float did she float float yeah you will know what she do she's where we're we're used to space here yeah like you're here that tree is there up there everything's in one so she's right next to you when she's way away because when she goes round the bed she's like she's like a fucking snake and i just i just put the cover over my head honestly it is fucking weird it is so weird you get people shitting themselves being sick screaming people laughing there's people out there who love the experience they're just so blown away were you were you christian yeah i was raised Catholic yeah do you remember the concept of purgatory yeah tell me that that's not purgatory up there doesn't it sound like the gateway to hell yeah like fire yeah it sounds like the gateway to hell and yet it's the gateway to heaven yeah crazy madness so where did the entrepreneurial skills come from then if you went through that so i actually think that i didn't have a choice so you know my only way that i thought to to placate my pain was to make money and i thought that was the solution i thought you know fuck if i just had money i wouldn't feel this way and it wasn't true but i got very good at it i got good at not not very good i mean there's people that made a lot more money than me but based on what i started from i got good at it you know i got good at it yeah so going through that transition to where you are now see when you were changing and making the sacrifices you must have took responsibility yeah so absolutely which is the first big step to create change how was that feeling for you to admit you were an addict not really a nice person you were more orientated you fought the other things in life well the things the materialistic things the attention when you had to strip all that back and really figure out who the fuck you were how was that experience hard yeah super hard because you know it's so funny is guys like us yeah think we're superman and nothing at the same time we think oh my god i'm fucking great one second and then when we get with ourselves we're like i'm a piece of shit uh so i had this this terrible split of and that's what was driving me crazy everything is this split yeah so when it comes back together and we understand that we're responsible for every single piece of our life we're responsible for how our kids are honestly how they our relationship with our children we're responsible for our relationship with our mom with our with our wife with our whatever and with money our relationship with we're responsible for everything that there's no free lunch then all of a sudden shit gets really real yeah uh huh so when you take ayahuasca what does it do to your brain well they say that it creates new neural pathways uh huh so so there's there's these clusters where things get fucked up over an emotion so maybe you know the first time that you were punched by your father yeah that all of a sudden and now every time you hear that sound you're reliving that punch by your father well there's a a roadblock in that neuropathway yeah so now the ayahuasca creates a new neuropathway and now the sound no longer means that to you uh huh crazy stuff because when you think about trauma and pain a lot of people live in the past when you think about the trauma maybe 10 20 years ago the brain releases a chemical to the trauma that you had felt that day absolutely it feels the same way right so the brain doesn't know what's really what's fake correct which is powerful yeah it's very powerful it's um i'm trying to understand the brain a bit more to realise i wanted to know where my addictions came from my woman eyes and i just wanted my anger but it can come past down from generation to generation it can bring your dna so again when they say you take ayahuasca they say it can heal not just you but your kids kids kids absolutely why is that because as you change your vibrational being you know i never knew what the fuck when i when i heard people talking about vibration i would say to myself fucking idiot they're fucking idiot hippies they're fucking stupid no vibration you're solid i'm solid but then when you get over in the medicine and you see that you are a vibration you're a vibration and you're vibrating at a particular rate so when you change your vibration you change that of your children of their children of their children by you changing so you were the key to everything you're the key to everything yeah cool shit yes um yes wild though it's wild and to hear someone talk if i were 30 years old again can i heard some fucking idiot talking like i'm talking now i would think this motherfucker has lost his shit we've all lost his shit why is that why is it such a there's 60 or 70 people in a room why is it so everyone together why is that is that a vulnerable factor uh i had my own belief on that yeah that uh that kind of like being in jail that you get so close to people in this in this environment and in your closeness isn't a detriment it's a fucking assist so the fact that you have this relationship and what it does it trains us for the outside world see it used to be me and them it was me against fucking everyone even though i i would pretend to be nice sometimes it was me against them and then the thing is what this will awaken you to that there is no them that it's just us in this together and then when you leave and you carry that out into your life things work different yeah when you yes um crazy shit as it's crazy so why is that ayahuasca then to you why is it such so powerful for you to try and create mass awareness and change from it because a lot of people in the uk don't know what ayahuasca is sure and then when people look at it people say i want to do that other people go you're fucking crazy uh um yeah we're all as human beings we're constantly i always say we're constantly searching jerry we're constantly searching when you did your ayahuasca after your four days how long was the transition for you i know you said you felt great and you didn't feel the suicidal thoughts but did you still party we still try to get in the zone well yeah i parted for a while after but but not the same way yeah so like what i noticed is this i would drink half as much as i used to drink then i would drink 70% less then i would drink 90% less yeah uh huh so like it took a while for it to to to to go away completely of course because if you're doing something for 20 or 30 years it doesn't just disappear overnight but here's what does disappear the feeling of it feeling good yeah so the difference was this immediately when i did it i didn't feel good anymore and there was no feeling of it feeling good because when you're here you start realising what you're feeding your body i don't eat as much here and i eat so much shit back home northern as well we eat so much pizzas and curries and um pizza and curry like chinese uh curry yeah yeah so when you do that you're not conscious actually what you're putting into your body here you just you realise you don't need that much food right and you actually the food you're eating is so enjoyable yeah the fucks we are mind man um so yeah when you created all the change and created with me it took you one year to get your license yeah and why did you keep fighting to get it because i believed that we could get a a medical license i just i just believed the medicine said that we could and i believe the medicine you know i believe the medicine what's interesting is that everything that the medicine tells you if you do it it works out if you don't do it it gets weird because it's like if god came to you and said hey you got to do this differently and you're like ah i don't think so you'd feel weird right to say no i'm gonna do it my own way how many ceremonies have you did gerry 240 something does it get easier or do you learn how to control it no there's no control what you what you learn to do is to have a healthy respect for it like even right now we're going up there tonight i'm worried i'm not kidding if i'm worried you know because it's a 12 it's a 12 hour shift yes it's a 12 hour shift tonight yeah and it's live music and it's beautiful now see when i lie in my bed see when music comes on people when they all dance because there's a man next to me i can see him and it's beautiful to see them all dance but then again you think what the then the covers come back over the head because it's what the fuck is going on man so what's the when you take ayahuasca and then you change how hard is it for people to adjust to open maybe i don't want to burn that relationship because the first day we were here gerry one of the men had not spoke to his mum for maybe 25 30 years because he thought he blamed his dad's death on his mum the first night after ayahuasca he'd phoned his mum to say sorry we got him on camera he's going to burn the documentary powerful shit that yeah i know yeah so why is that feeling well the things i want to answer your first question like that that adjustment period is about two to three weeks of it being awkward you know by awkward like your old mates yeah you're hanging out with them and you're thinking i don't even really want to be here is the kind of feelings you get but then after two and a half three weeks it stabilizes it really does and you start to see joy in your new life like oh my god i don't have to do that to have fun and this feels like fun and that guy is interesting to me and i used to think it was a jerk why is he interesting to me now so things change yeah and then the people around you whether you say anything or not notice you're different and they you get a lot of this hey did you cut your hair or did you do it and you're like no i didn't do it and they're like well you look different and you know why you look different because you're you're centered and you're paying attention and they're not used to you doing that yeah uh huh so everything changes yeah so for people to forgive because one of the questions one of the questions that i asked was teach me how to forgive and also teach me how to trust i don't trust anybody even coming here i was like fuck everybody i don't trust you i don't trust cash is am i getting tricked but then as time goes along i'm starting to learn to trust yeah because over there nothing's forced upon you right you do it on your own pace you do it on your own time it's what's right for you some people have one cup there's some people have three and four yeah it's what's right for you so why do people forgive so quickly after 25 30 years or not mind okay why do people forgive so quickly because they get to see it from the other person's point of view so like the person that even the person that shot at you uh huh and their mind at that moment they had no choice and when you see that your heart grows for them and when your heart grows for them you release them and they release you it's beautiful shit yeah because you says your relationship with your mum you started seeing her differently absolutely but then she also automatically changed towards you absolutely why is that because you can't change if you're if we're locked in a struggle me and you uh we're not fist fighting but we're in a a war of some type uh huh and then i change and i don't want to fight you anymore all of a sudden you get disinterested in doing that and you start looking deeper as to what's going on and you might find some commonality with me you might end up liking me because i changed so you can't if you have two people and they don't change that's a it's a lifetime fight yeah they'll go on and yeah is that the love attraction comes into play as well yeah so you did a story yesterday on the guy who was clacking his teeth yeah can you tell that story yeah yeah yeah so so all these people the people that you're seeing here in my understanding you've been with them before their soul and they're all here to help you uh huh so you're here to help them they're here to help you and and you have to pay attention to what you don't like uh so if there's another guy you don't like this guy and we all people we don't like right but if somebody is doing something and i really don't like it i have to pay super close attention to it because it's trying to tell me something about me instead of being mad at that person i'd say uh what is the message for me uh huh and that is the thing with the ayahuasca is that that i'm sure your people's pain in the ass gear uh huh do you understand what i mean for that that like you're creating a disruption for them but what is the lesson for them they're doing that in their own life somewhere so almost everything is a clue we had a a lady that was being followed around by a guy who had gas because the medicine fucking give you gas you know that right you shut themselves yeah shitting themselves he had gas and then he had false teeth that would plaque in each other and and this guy kept following this lady every night she would move and he'd follow her around and and he probably didn't even know he was doing it was done on a subconscious level and finally she had it in in the moment of her flipping out she realized that she had become a woman who's intolerant of people uh huh and that was her lesson and she thanked this guy like honestly loved this guy for teaching her the lesson so so you're gonna watch yourself and and who in this group do i really have an energetic dislike for you know that some people you can dislike without they saying the word right you just see the energy i'm fucking like this guy or i don't like this lady or whatever it is pay super close attention to that person they have a message for you yeah uh huh yeah it's powerful because the man who was clacking his teeth and farting she wanted away from him but then the woman kept speaking to him yep and then she said okay understand it's me but then that man moved away from him because she kept talking because she was crying and he didn't want to be around someone who's crying so what's the plan for jerry powell at what's the plans for you going forward for the future how many rivmia centres do you want to open worldwide uh huh so if i was a young guy if i were in my 30s uh huh i would already be opening more of these but what i want this to do is to become super successful so that other people want to open them up i actually think there should be one in scotland one in england one in iddly one in france one in switzerland one in africa one in i think there should be one everywhere because you see what people don't understand people think that they have to live in pain and you don't have to live in this life can be a gorgeous experience can be a beautiful rich loving experience and uh and when somebody would hear that like if i heard somebody say that 12 years ago i would think what is this asshole selling like what kind of bullshit is this and yet i know it to be true that that you can live a beautiful loving rich fulfilled life it's a great feeling it's a great feeling jerry so your kids your ex-wife everyone is in great terms with you they do a lot of healing and forgive also the only one who's not in great terms with me is my ex-wife okay and i love her to be but i hurt her so badly dude that that she is every she is every uh reason to not forgive me but everybody else in my life has forgiven me because i still upset you jerry yeah because she was my best friend you know she's my best friend for and honestly i went out with her for 10 years before i married her so that lady represents 32 years of my life and she she was a great friend she was a good woman you know but you they've made her a lot stronger and they've also i did brought you brought you um i got to tell you i think i got her into heaven you're putting up with your shit but it's also made you very vulnerable and made you more open to see who you hurt in the past yeah it's a beautiful thing to forgive that's where you've got to again not just take responsibility for your addictions but also take responsibility for your actions because everything has a ripple effect it does when you do bad shit it doesn't just affect you affects a whole fucking load of people i agree so when you see people here in jerry how does that make you feel i feel much better about me you know when i see like i don't get paid anymore right so and my my other my other businesses used to net with this grosses right so it's a whole different world but what i do get i get to watch these people and it's such it's more than money it's worth more when you see this group that you're with on saturday i get to see that 50 times a year i get to see people leave their pain it's something else man it's really great shit me god and we did the homeless documentary everything i do jerry's for me yes but also i do things in a good way where i'm rewarded so if i'm doing homeless work or suicide work it's benefit me even though i'm helping others i'm fucking winning because there's no there's no car or house can get you that satisfaction there's not seeing a smile on someone else's face there's not even though it's painful even though it's a very tricky road and a lot of hurdles but to help others do you think that's why because we were so broken we know what it feels like to be absolutely we can see people's pain yes that's exactly it when you see someone and you're a tough guy but when you see someone and you see you connect with their pain and you think i was that guy and like what how fucked up was life then to to just be in immersed in pain like in your heart your heart has to go out now if you never knew that pain you would not be able to to connect with it and want to change it yeah you know so this is why people like us that pain was a gift it was really a gift it didn't feel like it while it was happening but it was a gift because you wouldn't be driven to help so many people if you weren't with that pain yeah yes but living learn everything's a lesson so before we finish up what is ayahuasca to you so i think well to me it's a it's just a lifesaver that's uh it's a it's a saver of lives it really is it's a it's a gift and and and who knows how this happened you know that there's they say there's a million plants in the amazon basin so who was brilliant enough to mix these two plants uh huh it had to come from somewhere yeah then you take this one and this one you put it together and it fucking does this yeah crazy so who who started it who invented it we made americans was a no we we believe it's it's it originated in the amazon basin probably in columbia or peru and and uh but how did that happen there's a billion plants how did someone know to do this so what do i think i think it came from somewhere else yeah came from you know where you go came from up there fucking space anyway so for people watching especially the uk 90 percent of my fan base is in the uk a lot of people the messages i've been showing people and putting out um people are intrigued jerry yes they're intrigued because a lot of the people who i know are struggling themselves of course and for me to improve my life i believe i'll go into the deep waters first to experience it for others yes and um if they're i reap the rewards then i believe that a whole lot of more people in the uk will come here i hope so because um yeah it's it's a tough place just now there's a lot of poverty people are struggling a lot of people homelessness is on the rise suicides on the rise diabetes is on the rise cancers on the rise so if this is a shortcut to cure those things then this place is heaven then it is that yeah i think it is um it's starting to make a wee bit of sense the first three nights was was pain it was difficult last night i had a couple of breakthroughs this night i believe i'll shoot right through um yeah it's an experience but for people watching what advice would you give them about ayahuasca i would say the first thing is this is that you want to be really careful about the set and setting you try this in so you know when you come here you have the classes that explain to you they put everything into context if you just roll into someone's uh flat in london and lay down on a couch and drink this stuff you're going to have a real hard time piecing shit together yeah so set and setting is super important who who brews the medicine is super important because just like uh when your grandmother cooks something it tastes like your grandmother's food because your grandmother's in it someone else can take that recipe and it's going to taste different because your grandmother's energy was in that food so you got to be real careful of the medicine you're drinking because it could have all different kinds of energies in it yeah we'll touch on that because people have tried ayahuasca and died yeah that can happen but those places seem to be in the jungle yeah and hot with people yeah who don't really have an understanding what's it if you have ever had anybody take a bad reaction well almost everybody is a bad reaction you're having a bad reaction but no place ever been hot or injured no nobody's ever really no uh we the lady the the day before she did ayahuasca she was walking through a flea market in tamarindo and she fell and she broke her arm so that's the real yeah but that's not it's not yeah and then we had one guy that bit his tongue uh during the ceremony and we but he didn't even need stitches we talked but he didn't need stitches so we have people who fall you know you fall on ceremony else that's why we have the rubber floors yeah you know because they bounce yeah there's another thing Jeremy there's a fire outside they tell you to speak to the fire they say that fires a spirit yes which is you do and you do see fucking shitting never mind yes fuck well think about fire what is fire it's crazy yeah you know you and i take fire for granted yeah but when you really see fire on the medicine it's its own spirit you know it really is its own spirit grandfather fire yeah so will you be here the rest of your life i hope so yeah i couldn't imagine being somewhere else i go back into the city i see my kids live in downtown l.a and i can take the energy of it for maybe two days because there's so much shit there uh it's so rough so much pain so much pain you know do you feel as if you have the world on your shoulders also sometimes because you see this pain and you want to save everyone i would be wonderful if you could save everyone you know and there's so much injustice in the world there's so many there's so many things you know a very small amount of people are doing some really bad things and if the medicine could just get to those people like our some of our leaders and some of our business leaders and that if it could just get and change their heart we could change the world in such a wonderful way yeah powerful stuff jerry no doubt that's so won't be the last time i see you i appreciate coming here to create this documentary there's never there's no lie i'll ask a documentary like this this is going to be powerful upon netflix um the world's going to see this and if i'm part of that people healing then i'm fucking grateful i'm grateful i'm grateful for you likewise but tonight we go hard 12 hours and i can't wait cheers brother fantastic