 The next year to document the the launching of all the new new shows like current geek and everything So it went for just over a year Well time to move again I don't know get it back. Oh, yeah, look at there's there's pictures of packing at the old place and little videos Lots of Django and Sawyer the the last in in house Twit that I did or TNT that I did. Yeah. Yeah here. I'll show you Yeah, I can't really remember what my beat was on tumblr. It was there's it was a You and you and I is from my perspective No, wow, wait, where are you? Oh, I thought you were slacking it. No, it's it's right there on the hangout. Oh Whoa, yeah Gosh, I'm like I haven't looked at that view in so long, you know, wow And I was also never in your seat even when you weren't on the show. So it's like still like a whoa, that's No, I remember weird hair at the time. I remember that the New Year's Eve thing that we did Remember taking a picture and sending it to you from that from that position Oh, yeah, at some point late in late late into the evening and that was that was after you would you'd moved on down the trail Moving up the trail one might think Even though geographically use I guess it depends on how you're holding the map Yeah, I meant, you know in in theory in yeah in metaphor sure I Mean even then if you're moving on down the trail you're you're progressing, right? You're you're moving moving on down the road. Yeah down the road And that doesn't like down doesn't signify lower. No, no, no, no, that's just yeah It's not like anyone ever says he's moving on down so long. It looks like up Sorry By the way, great shouting out aria start from the billboard right get out of here You know what you you know the cursed hands you hold Drake Don't put that voodoo on that girl. Seriously Shush, what do you mean cursed hands? Drake Drake is Incapable of not having a number one hit. No, whoever Drake roots for a game of thrones The Drake curse is real What what is up? It's almost like he can win really well in music, but he'll just screw everything up That's that's that's the curse part of it, right? You can look so pleased with himself after he said it too like he knew I didn't watch Five times by now just last week's episode I'm again. Yeah, it's I've There's certain scenes in that episode that I've watched too many times to admit without You all thinking I should be committed They say Sarah would you like to read line three? I would and when I say line three I actually do mean line three this time. I'm not line 22. Okay, that's an ever-moving line 21 20 all right Here we go in three two Andy Morse just became a supporter of independent tech news care to join Andy will become a DTNs member today at patreon.com slash DTNs This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, May 2nd 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from Studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from Austin, Texas I'm Justin Robert young and I'm the shows producer Roger chain from Austin, Texas Justin Robert young Yeah, you don't hear that often Yeah, well, you know, I'm gonna be out of town for a couple weeks and so I headed on down Texas way so I could bank some episodes of some of the shows that I do with Brian brushwood and low Here we are in the middle of a busy schedule Recording daily tech news show. Well, we are gonna miss you for a couple weeks on Daily Tech news show So as a parting gift, we have scheduled today's topic to be about the portal to hell hashtag hell portal That is content moderation on the internet. We have an EFF posting. We're gonna kick around but let's start with a few tech things You should know Politico reports a possible settlement between Facebook and the FTC appointing a federally approved Privacy official and creating an independent privacy committee that could include Facebook board members as well CEO Mark Zuckerberg would also reportedly be named Designated compliance officer for privacy and that would mean he was who would be personally Accountable as part of the deal the structural changes would be in addition to a fine that Facebook anticipates to be between three and five billion dollars In his Q1 earnings LG reported its mobile division generated five 1.51 trillion Korean won or about 1.34 billion American down 30% on the last year and lowest revenue since Q1 2011 the division lost 200 and 203.5 billion won lower than Q4 2018 But up 43% on the year overall LG reported a quarterly profit of 900.6 billion won 80% of which came from its profitable home appliance division And in its Q2 earnings report Qualcomm stated it would receive four and a half to four point seven billion dollars in additional revenue in Q3 As part of that settlement with Apple over intellectual property licensing So now you can sort of try to back out what that fee settlement was Qualcomm expects the six-year patent license and chip supply agreement with Apple to generate two dollars per share in additional earnings Let's talk a little bit about how Spotify is experimenting with advertisements Well, Tom Spotify is experimenting with advertising It's the launch of a voice-enabled advertisement where a listener can give a verbal command in order to take action on the ads content Initially, the audio ads will direct listeners to a branded Spotify playlist or podcast early tests include Unilevers acts and Spotify studios the voice ads will only be available to some of Spotify's free mobile listeners in the US during the initial test period and users must enable Spotify's voice controls So the example they show on the TechCrunch article. I think is the easiest one to wrap your head around There's an ad for a special edition of a podcast about the clash and then the Spotify ad says Would you like to hear that to which you can respond? If you have voice Activation on yes, I would like to hear that and then it will take you right to that podcast with the Unilever acts I guess there's gonna be a thing about how you know fresh scents on your body or like fresh music Would you like to let you try that fresh beats as chosen by acts and then it'll take you a playlist of music All of these will only work if you've turned on the voice assistant in Spotify You can leave the voice assistant on and opt out of the ads Or you can just turn off the voice assistant all together So they've given you good control over this Yeah, I don't think that this sounds particularly onerous or or aggressive I do think that as ads continue to find relevance. We are moving into Easier ways for us to get around ads. They need to become More present and this is a way to make it a fun way to interact with it or at least one where you can do it via your headsets that are already in you don't need to look at your phone to take action, but I don't know it seems legit Yeah, I was trying to figure out a way to be outraged by this and I'm just really not I Think Spotify is smart by by at least in the initial test. It's all just directing you to more Spotify stuff So it's not like hey, do you want to buy this? Chapstick and then, you know, you get bounced out somewhere, you know, which could be the case down the road I'm not really sure it's funny There's a preschool down the street for me and and whoever put they always have like music playing when the kids are playing outside And every once in a while what I'm walking by it'll be like and if you want to try Spotify premium Do so today and I'm like, okay somebody has a free Spotify playlist that they're that they're playing but I wonder you know it in Situations where there are a bunch of people listening to Some sort of Spotify content and this arises. Does it get weird? Yeah, this definitely feels meant for you with your headphones on you're you're absolutely All right, more numbers to report counterpoint research estimates that key one smart watch shipments rose to 48% year over year Apple's watch shipments grew 49% but its total market share remained almost the same at 35.8% of the market The Samsung Galaxy watch shipments rose 127% to give it 11.1% of the market Fitbit rose to 5.5% of the market and Huawei has arrived on the scene with its watch GT Taking 2.8% congratulations to you fossil Garmin Amazfit and emu also their shared drop However, so you know, there's there's some movement in both directions counterpoint found that ECG was now the most desirable feature on That Apple watch does not it's kind of indicates what we knew is true Which is health stuff seems to be one of the drivers health and fitness are the two big drivers for wearables And the watch market is on the rise Not saying how long it will continue to grow But it looks like it's a healthy growing market right now because people are like, you know what? Yeah, I do want to monitor my fitness rather than what do I need that for it seems like they've they finally found for now Anyway their answer. Well, but it also kind of seems like there is a little bit of a cleaving between health and fitness that that there are Obviously a rise and people tracking themselves working out But the ECG feature is is almost as much of a hey, let me monitor my pulse Let me let me make sure that I am Maybe getting an early warning if something catastrophic Happens and that's I think a different way of looking at it other than the quantifiable self Let me make sure that I'm burning these kind of calories and I'm going this certain distance because I want to hold myself to an exercise discipline Yeah, and we're seeing fitness tracker sales declining Yeah, I think not because people don't want to do the tracking of the fitness, but they want more They they want what you're talking about in addition to that here. I think you're absolutely right there Robot farming startup iron ox. We talked about them previously on a DTS When we talked about robot farming as a potential future Well robot farming startup iron ox has announced it will begin selling its first produce at the San Carlos, California branch of Bianchini's market. So this is a big step from hey We've got this experiment to we are actually selling our produce in an actual grocery store to actual people iron Ox uses robotic picking arms hydroponic vats and self-driving quarters to tender the growing vegetables if you recall When we talked about them before they still have humans doing the planting and the packaging of the produce So it's not entirely replacing humans Just sort of speeds up the tending part of it batches of red veined sorrel baby lettuce heads and Genevies basil are delivered just over a half a mile once a week to the market And they cost you from 250 to $5 for those baby lettuce heads for a two ounce box of each of those greens Which as the verge points out is you know, I'm fairly comparable to what you'd pay at a high-end grocery store like Whole Foods Now I would have hoped that the robot farming would decrease prices Doesn't sound like that's happening to be on kinis, but that it also seems like maybe a little bit of a higher-end market in general Well, yeah, and I think that's the the case right now is that if there's a question about robotic farming It's whether it can scale whether it can actually deliver enough Whether it's efficient enough and whether it can get the cost down So this is an important step to be able to say we feel like this Produce is safe enough to sell and we found a market willing to carry it We could sell it at a price that at least the shoppers of that high-end market are willing to pay There's a lot more to be proved about about scale and efficiency here But it's interesting to keep track of I thought it certainly so If just so it's on our radar in case we see another article that is Outbreak at beyond kinis market Carlos robot fever. Yeah If that turns out to be the case then obviously that would be bad news But there's no indication that that'll happen You know, this is something that does matter a lot if and that is the big if Sarah's beautiful dream becomes a reality and everything becomes cheaper and then we have a lot more ramifications in terms of Farming and really automation going forward for a lot of different industries. Yeah, it seems like the big hope is They'll be able to do these close enough to the markets that it will reduce transportation costs And they hope the technology gets better to increase the efficiency of what the robots can do That's where the big question mark is at least from where I said Nikkei reports that according to sources server makers super micro notified suppliers to move production out of China to address Consumer concerns over potential espionage. The company also plans to expand its in-house Manufacturing breaking ground in the new Taiwanese factory on April 29th with plans to expand into Silicon Valley Digitimes analysts of Betty Shu Reports that less than 50% of super micro's servers were made in China in 2018 compared to over 90 the year before The nest bit the espionage concerns originated from an October 2018 piece in Bloomberg business week that alleged some Super micro motherboards had malicious chips implanted in attempts to hack customers like Amazon and Apple With all with all three companies Strenuously denying the reporting. Yeah Roger and I were talking about this as sort of one of those effects of bad press doesn't matter if it's true or not It's causing super micro to say, you know, I'd forget it. We just don't want to deal with the uncertainty We're gonna move our factories somewhere where it reduces that uncertainty because this is a really unusual situation where? Bloomberg has not backed down From their reporting and neither have the vendors back down and from their denials that it's true You usually somebody breaks one way or another in these kinds of situations and this one still since October has not well And also whether or not you believe one side or the other It does not take a lot to believe that any of these sides would back down Like you can if you're Apple considering how much business that you do how important China is see your business How important China is to Amazon's business? You can't come out and say well as it found out We are definitely being we are being hacked by by the Chinese now Whether or not the proof that they have shown and they have gone above and beyond to say there's nothing that we have found They have been strenuous. They've been aggressive in their denials. I think that at a certain point when that idea is out there There's no putting that genie back in the bottle no matter how many Strenuous denials you find or a sticking by the story like Bloomberg said I mean, I think there is a way that Apple or Amazon could say well, you know, we did find a little something We're not saying the Chinese are behind it But you know you you see stuff like that these are these are everybody's dug in at their most extreme point in this And I think that that is different than than most of these kinds of stories But like you say it really is all academic at this point because Super Micro is like fine uncle We're gonna move Well, and I don't know exactly where they're planning to move in Silicon Valley Or Taiwan for that matter But one would think that the production costs are going to rise because of this so when you when you when you Think about the PR issues that the company has and the fact that they might have to make some changes and take a little bit Of a financial hit at least at the beginning. It's probably a pretty big deal Yeah, it'll raise their costs in the short term. No no matter what you're absolutely right Well, let's let's harken back to a simpler time on the internet. Shall we Let's heart razors one time April Fool's joke. Oh, we love those once known as project breadwinner Will become real and it'll be the razor toaster Now if you don't remember what happened razor CEO Min Liang Tang made a deal back in 2013 and posted it that the toaster would Be made if mark withers give us the razor toaster Facebook page could get one million likes on Facebook and a Razor toaster tattoo would count as 100,000 likes now 45,000 likes and 12 tattoos later tan has posted I'm going to put together my team of designers and engineers. It will take a few years, but I'll be sure to share the progress We're getting a toaster talk about crying uncle Razor looked at these 12 tattoos and I do I like if you read the full posting from tan It does feel like he was like man, you know what? Tattoos fine. We're gonna make it. We'll make a toaster. I don't know how long it'll take Well, we'll make it your toaster. We'll make good on this When you say it will take a few years you might also be hoping that in those few years people kind of forget about this Oh, I don't mark withers is going to forget about this. Do you like he was To be honest it is a weird position because on one hand if you're tan you can say all right fine Let's go find a high-end toaster manufacturer. We make a deal with them We we slap the razor logo on it and now congratulations about a bing-bang boom With the magic of laser etching we have the the razor toaster, but they appear to be saying no No, no razor is razor stands for quality That's right and stands for efficiency razor stands for the highest end product that you can buy So we are indeed going to develop our own razor toaster That is very very interesting And who knows you know the Things verticals have started from far less than a meme that gained that kind of traction on Facebook Well, I'd Roger made a comment before the show I was like, you know toasters used to not really be able to handle bagels all that well Well, we're kind of getting to a point that I feel like even a pretty inexpensive toaster is a pretty good toaster So I'd love to see what razor comes up with. I hope that at least one Cryptocurrency exchange will get on board and offer free razor toasters to people opening new This this story just made me so happy today because I'm like, oh, this is what most of the news was like in 2008 You know, yeah, I know Back when tumbler was in its heyday. Yeah, right. Yeah before Verizon was shopping tumbler around like a piece of leftover bread Yeah, wait wait before Burger King was trying to sell happy meals to the clinically depressed Burger King happy meal wait what oh, did you not see this? Yeah Go look it up. They they have their new and not everybody can be happy all the time time So so McDonald's and Burger King both now how happy meals. No, no, just go it's Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes You're missing out if you don't subscribe to daily tech headlines comm get on over there Well folks earlier this week Susan Wojcicki the CEO of YouTube posted a an article for creators and among the things she said in the article I Want to call out a couple because I think it kicks off today's Conversation quite well on suspending comments on the videos with minors, which we've reported on on DTS before Susan wrote I know this change impacted so many creators who we know are innocent From professional creators to young people or their parents who are posting videos But in the end that was a trade-off we made because we feel protecting children on our platform should be the most important guiding principle and On trying to remove the Christchurch videos wrote that meant a number of videos that didn't Actually violate community guidelines including a small set of news and commentary were swept up and kept off the platform Until appealed by its owners and reinstated but given the stakes It was another trade-off that we felt was necessary So two situations where she says look we know we had false positives But the this day and age we're gonna we're gonna live with that if it keeps the bad stuff off In a letter to the US House Google wrote that it spends hundreds of millions of dollars on content review manually and says it reviewed more than a million suspected terrorist videos on YouTube in the first three months of 2019 removing 90,000 for violating its terrorism policy So that leads me to the EFF's Gillian York and Corinne McSherry writing for the EFF deep links blog and Republished on tech dirt a post titled content moderation is broken Let us count the ways because these two folks and EFF in general are not okay with false positives being so frequent They assert that content moderation was never meant to operate at the scale of billions of users. They point out It's hard it damages the humans that do it because they have to watch all of this horrible stuff And that's often outsourced to countries with cheap rate labor and that using AI Causes false positives like we've just heard it's inconsistent Because an AI is really good at say recognizing a naked body and AI is not so good at recognizing what hate speech is Copyright enforcement is overrepresented because there's such a strong lobbying group for it and opinions Both on the side of moderators and on the side of the audience vary on what's acceptable where the line is as Well as companies overreacting and reacting to the loudest and most influential voices they also wrote that Bad content moderation causes unintended harms for example attempts to stop hateful words Will sometimes end up silencing marginalized groups who use those words who empower those words and take them back for them Their own then they end up getting moderated out or people showing examples Of bad uses of words like racism and then getting moderated out As well as bans on suggestive language Overly impacting say health companies because they use the words that are also used when you're being sexy inappropriately Women's underwear has been removed their examples of that because they were talking about the body that the underwear was meant to be used on And the one that got me the most is appeals appeals are broken once you're blocked It's very hard to get unblocked without knowing someone at one of these companies So if you are one of these false positives sometimes it gets you in a pickle and some moderation Decisions have no appeal your thing is down and that's it you don't get to ask for it to be put back up so how about solutions well in this blog post They say that censorship should be rare companies should justify Very rigorously why a category is exceptional and deserves to be bound and then boundary lines around that category must be clear and predictable Emergencies where you have to go and take stuff down because you know It's happening now and it's really bad must be well defined and only used in true emergencies For non emergencies appeals must be available before a takedown And content should stay up until appeals are resolved again for non emergencies The these policies should align with human rights norms Uh users should be given more tools to control what they see So if you're like i'm not so comfortable seeing that it shouldn't be on the company to ban it for everybody Some of the stuff you should just be able to say i don't want to see that I guess other people do but i don't so more of those kinds of tools And policymaking amongst governments should be evidence-based and i'll quote from their blog post while we know that disinformation spreads rapidly on social media Many of the policies created by companies in the wake of pressure appear to have had little effect And that's a drum i've been beating for years now is let's figure out what the actual problem is so we can solve it Rather than just overreacting with something we think might solve it and then not solve it So this is obviously not a situation we're going to fix today But just and i know you've been banging a similar drum about When you move into moderate content you open up a whole can of worms you do and here's the biggest of those uh The the solutions all of which i agree with i i think that the the biggest thing that you can take going forward And i applaud the platforms that have laid these Situations out even if it makes uh some of their users unhappy At least having the rules of the road is very very important. You should know what is banned You should know what will get you banned. You should know at least the the You know quote unquote legal framework that then you can go ahead and appeal Based on a lot of these companies do not have it everything changes willy nilly and you have no idea how you can get Uh into uh replace it, but here's the big one Give users the tools to control what they see without affecting others. That's a cool thing to say But why don't we see more of it because the biggest platforms that we have these conversations are on are Advertising platforms they need as many views as possible to sell the ads against this is the business that they are in the more you are able to uh Mechanically restrict what you are seeing the less real estate they have or specifically Demographic real estate that they have to sell against this is the great decision making process for facebook google And uh, you know all the all of their subsidiaries They need to be able to figure out how they can make people happier with what they are seeing While understanding that that might erode their core business Sarah Yeah, I I I mean there are certain things where I I I think to myself. How is it so hard for uh again ai to recognize nudity But not to be able to make more sense of text and the context that that text is being used in But I understand that it's very nuanced and it and you know, everybody's different I I feel like Uh, besides just saying burn it all to the ground Which sometimes I do feel Yeah, I I feel like you know the kind of like let's make My experience personalized to my comfort level For me works on a lot of social networks for the most part You know, someone's being a jerick. I block them You know, if they're if they're you don't want to do mature content You can you can get rid of that on youtube But I'm also not a parent and I know that speaking to so many Parents of kids who for which youtube is and I'm using youtube as just one example But you know, it's the example I'm using right now is such a big part of their viewing experience I can see why this would be a much bigger issue And I and I think the other part of their suggestions that strike me are Making sure that appeals in non-emergency cases And I think that was very smart of them to say look there are emergencies where you just need to take it down We get that right There are times when that has to happen But that shouldn't be the norm the norm should be if somebody says hey, this should be taken down I as a creator should be told that first and get a reasonable amount of time Not a lot amount of time but a reasonable amount of time to say hold on. Let me explain why and we say this as YouTube video production that constantly gets demonetized or gets Moderation requests to have videos taken down all the time, which we can't explain We're just sitting here talking about tech news And somehow the bot goes in and goes on. We're not sure that's appropriate because maybe they said a thing or or And misinterpreted something so those should be appealable first I I I don't think you should take down and then ask questions later Well, and and it's it's reasonable to say like let's say an amazing channel like film joy We're our friend, but Mikey Newman as these great long-form film essays that constantly He has to fight this battle of getting Demonetized or having the videos pulled because he uses clips from the movies that he is talking about and despite the fact that It is very clearly fair use He winds up running up against the robots if the thing you're asking him is hey Whenever you put out a video just make sure you keep an eye on your dashboard for 48 hours That's when we do the most sweeping stuff and just have your appeal letter ready that you're able to send it in So in case there is a flag You're able to deal with it That to me is a reasonable amount of pressure that you can put on the creator that at least satisfies the the copyright arm But the the question again is how much they care How you know how much they are able to weigh what they want for their user base? Against their corporate partners and their ability to sell ads Yep, absolutely And even you know the the the note that tom made a few minutes ago about how much google Told a us house panel that it's spending on content moderation of suspected terrorist videos You go like well, that sounds good. You should be spending lots of money on that. Okay. Well, yes Who got who who was affected by this? How many of them were false positives? How many people were employed in that huge number that that that Could have been somehow damaged or or or was or is just a waste of time Well, and and you know it to the emergency thing I would love it if if youtube said or facebook said hey, look We're in an emergency process right now when it comes to something that is happening If you would like to post commentary on it We ask you to flag it or use The you know some some thing that basically says this because we will be removing anything that mentions The following words or uses the following videos just be transparent And what just he actually in her blog post I did not quote this part But but talked about a plan to let certain creators probably the biggest creators Say ahead of time We think this video could fall afoul for this reason or this reason and here's why we think it's still okay They sort of they sort of self self moderate in that way to to sort of pre approve their stuff and speed it along And if those tools could be made useful and more widely then I think that would be great Well, you know, what is a useful tool that would be our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com We're also on facebook and we're a bunch of nice folks over there too facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show On to the mailbag on to it. Eric wrote in and said on the topic of facebook and their intention to move towards more privacy Do I understand correctly that facebook may have a definition of privacy? That's different from what users mean when they speak about privacy For instance, facebook is moving towards more closed groups within which users can share information more privately however What people who are outraged at the lack of privacy considerations from facebook may be more outraged about would be facebook Selling user data having user data leaked having other companies like a bank or an airline feed private data into facebook To hopefully be able to advertise in a more targeted way, etc No Is facebook trying to use a limited version of privacy as a kind of smoke screen for the real privacy issues Or could I be missing something in this discussion? Is facebook using a definition of privacy that's more concerned with privacy within their platform slash ecosystem? Whereas the accusations against facebook tend to be more about user data being sold or given or leaked to parties outside of facebook You know, I think you loaded your language a little bit there, eric But it's a very good point Facebook is talking about one problem that people absolutely do have a complaint about which is I don't want to run into all this random stuff I don't want fake news in my feed How do we how do we keep that and moving from the town square to the living room fixes a lot of those kinds of problems? And that's the kind of privacy they talked about but eric is very right. I guess you can't be very right. He's just right That that facebook did not talk about privacy from facebook and from facebook's advertising partners. They didn't address that at all Well, thanks, eric And also thanks to jessen rubber young coming in hot from the lone star state today. Justin. Where can people keep up with your work? 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I ain't a lot. That's a thing Oh, I like not all those were women's underwear, but Yeah, not all of us maybe take our underwear off every day either, but I'm not judging y'all No, I guess you're right. All right. Super micro big brothers Uh moderation in moderation. I like that. That's a good one. Yeah recursive um You want to buy this chap stick? I want to buy my chap stick. Yes, I do Moderators are in a pickle send it Tattoos and toasters Spotify asks me about this ad Acts it I like moderation in moderation to be honest. That's a good one. All right. I'm with it Uh, and then for gdi gas direct injection do What? gdi Oh, oh, guys, that's not a title suggestion. You're just saying things Uh, I don't know Titles are more quiet Roger bought to table farming Bought to table Uh old bot farmer had a that eieio That is that a title suggestion Uh Yeah, sure. I might be a little long though. Yeah, it's too long. Um, do you want to buy this chap stick? spot-a-bye Spot-a-bye good. Yeah, I like that one Spot-a-bye. What did we talk about in the pre-show? We talked about uh, oh wait, that's um We talked about job security lifetime employment. All right Everything's going to be fine. We should title it's good day internet Everything's going to be fine. Everything's okay. That's good your job It's descriptive yet going to be there's a uh, I'm not in a layer of menace In my uh, I think it's a Semi tech story, but I would not not really be anything dts worthy, but I'd like to talk to you guys Have you seen the the explosive IPO of beyond meat? Oh, no, I didn't realize beyond meathead IPO'd Yeah, and like exploded over a hundred stock market because when you're talking about foods and explosive I always want to make sure we're not yeah The meat isn't exploding right meat is that it is beyond meat Yeah, yeah Be the point in time where future anthropologists will say that uh This is where man transitioned away from Traditional animal protein to synthetic You know, I will say as somebody who's eaten a lot of these meat substitutes including beyond meat and uh impossible Foods is impossible burger and the ground beef crumbles and stuff that they've come out with I will say We're a long way away from like steaks going away And we're a fairly long way away from something like chicken going away But sausages and ground beef We're closer than you think I'm totally down for that too Do you know actually microsoft doing a news dump right now? What end of our show which I find very rude microsoft Uh microsoft announces the 3,500 dollar hololens 2 development edition microsoft launches a drag and drop machine learning tool microsoft launching a fully managed blockchain service Plug and play iot extending cognitive services with personalization service hand write we can recognition apis and more Uh, that's oh, uh azure sequel database to the edge and arm All of this in the past five minutes. What are they doing? Is it just like a tweet? What's a drag and drop machine learning tool drag and drop machine learning tool? Oh, I would it's it's three new services that aim to simplify the process of machine learning ranging from a new interface for a tool That completely automates the process of creating models to a new no-code visual interface for building training and deploying models All the way to hosted jupiter style notebooks for advanced users So basically the problem is you don't have to code anything you just say I want to use this image database with these parameters and so for for example, uh Bryce showed me a uh, there's a youtube station that streams machine-learned Metal and they found one band and they just fed them all of their albums and now the machine learning just puts together Their version metal heavy metal heavy metal right. Okay. So now instead of having to construct that model and know how to code it and then know how to export it what microsoft wants you to do is literally just select album add Go like that that's what they want. Here's a screen from the tech crunch story I think kind of maybe gives you the idea so instead of coding all this stuff You'd say okay, put the automobile price data here and oh, okay Clean the mining data and split the data and train the model and it's like if this than that It's a rat. It's really it's kind of what visual basic used to sort of do Yeah, I feel like that's it's it's definitely using that Metaphor it's it's like a rapid application development framework Whatever happened a yahoo pipes I used to love yahoo pipes. We used to run one of the cnet podcasts. I think it was uh, I think it was I'm not positive. It doesn't exist anymore. Yeah, I think it's gone. I think it's gone. Yeah, these pipes are clean These pipes are gone Yeah, wikipedia is like you can always tell it's sort of like someone who has Passed into the afterlife yahoo pipes was a web application from okay. Yeah, I've got around anymore Yeah, take that back to the cabin boy Well, I liked it It was a fun little place to tinker around Yeah, we ran, um Back all ours podcast off of yahoo pipes. I think Randall Bennett I think Yeah No, I don't remember Yeah, or put a little in your pipe for yahoo pipes. Yeah Put that in your yahoo pipe and smoke it Put on some underwear for yahoo pipes Um, thank you There's a time when man didn't wear underwear or humans didn't wear underwear. It was just whatever clothes It was just wear. It was just wear. It was just layers Lots of hides You damn right Do you hear they found denisovans in china? Denisovans, is that how you pronounce it for the longest time? I've kind of stove and denisovan. I hear both. I never know which one's right I have no idea what the hot hell you're talking about I don't know that So, canisovans are the uh, are the uh cousins of neanderthals and homo sapiens that were existed at the same time And they have only been found in Siberia Until now and they just found a jawbone in a cave in china Well, I didn't just find a Buddhist monk found it like apparently years ago and they've just now Confirmed that it was a denisovan jawbone To a temple that had like access to high-grade Radiology and CRT technology that's got to be a good find, you know, whoever got that win is like Yeah, that's right in the monastery. Yeah, I'm not gonna brag but It was a jawbone I can't remember why I read the story It might have been the bbc But it was a crazy where like the monk passed it on to the living buddha That is the head of his order who then gave it to scientists to examine because he realized the importance of it It's like, okay Yeah, so caves ancient cousins of humans and living buddhas were involved in this science story. It's pretty great Almost a weird things thing, isn't it? Exactly, right? I'm so I'm shocked. We didn't get to it I have uh had one of my favorite conversations about denisovans with andremaine as a matter of fact You know one of your favorite how many have there been? a lot It's hard to make them shut up Jaws, you know, exactly jabber jaws There's a little denisovan in all of us, you know, I know yeah, I know I'm like, hmm too close to home Talking for 11 my Fun idea to play around with is because the neanderthals were like shorter and squatter, right? So they're like the dwarves and the knees denisovans as I understand it We think might have been a little taller Uh, and so they're the elves where the humans and they actually found short hobbit looking people out in the pacific islands Oh, yeah, look lord of the rings is our prehistory. Exactly well, it could be said that a lot of uh mythology might have been based on just Things that people remembered and told stories about to you would say it's all part of the shared consciousness the shared racial memory of the human Species like in dune where you just kind of remember no yung yung Carl yung yung too And how any any show where we can get a carl yung reference yung in our archetypes. Yeah, it's a good show Have I uh, have I read for my my copy of roland barth's mythologies to you lately? No, no About of silence before answering Well, I was thinking I was like it wasn't lately. No, it wasn't How many of these other conversations have I had with you lately? I've never even heard that word before. Oh, by the way, a little Silly. Well now you have that's why we're here. I know that's true Next week. We're gonna do uh the live with it For you guys, uh on the jabra So be looking for that in your feed sarah will report in on her three months living with the jabras And we we will also be posting a new patreon poll next week at some point for what the next live with it You said that because after listening to the latest to have such a good day and you were raving about the technology in your car I feel like That shouldn't be the next live with it, but we should check in on that. Yeah No, I mean it's very much so yeah It's funny because I I feel like I'm like, do you want to listen to me talking about my car and most people are like not at all But everyone else someone's like Why is it cool, you know and then I'll go on and on like it drives itself because it it really is It's it's I just haven't ever felt so much about like Okay, autonomous driving. This is yeah, we're so close to what it what what did you settle on? um, it's a volvo xc 60 So it's like a um, it's like a crossover suv And and it's just it's just it's just a delightful little thing It's no jabra earbud If you want to know more about it, you'll have to stay tuned on the audio channel because the video folks we need to say Thank you for being with us. Thank you video folks audio folks stick around. There's more to come