 This is the Daily Tech news show for Thursday December 28th 2017 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio Feline on the beach. I am Sarah Lane Justin Robert young is next After him is Shannon Morris and from studio hack 5 I'm Shannon Morris Where's the doc? What's the dog Patrick? Oh, crap. I wasn't looking at the right place on the dock from the Helsinki offices in Helsinki I'm Patrick Johnson from the place you remember to bring the dock up and rock out and read it And the other artist of course from beautiful downtown Cleveland, Ohio, I'm Len Perlton. This is just a way to make make people over the dock I guess What's the dock on tatters ship never run right next to the December? Yeah, for some reason That's what we needed Producer Roger Chag is here as well. How are you Roger? I'm good apparently. I needed to give a few more details Children a bunch of children that's what Welcome to the penultimate episode of 2017 our Hollowed tradition that started back in the Buzz out loud days the predictions results show Where we look back at the predictions we made about technology last year for this year And then see how they actually turned out because so many people make predictions around this time of year But they don't they don't talk about how good they are at it. So this is where we talk about how good or bad Awesome, we are at it So we are gonna run through all these predictions. We've got great predictions Sarah, but you weren't with us last year. I wasn't um, I Was not part of DT and Huss last year. I'm sorry. I was just enjoying a poke ball. Sorry But I was a part of the predictions It was an annual tradition on TNT way back in the day So Tom you were able to dig up the last predictions. I made which was in 2014 And so at the end of the show, we'll see how well I did. Yeah, let's start out with Justin Your first prediction from last year is that the first ticket to Mars would be sold by SpaceX Customers will probably be an industrialist or large company Yeah, so that one's gonna be a big fat. No There although SpaceX has made big splashy Mars news I thought they were gonna follow in the footsteps of them selling the trip around the moon That that they would maybe go more along that route but any money that they have raised or sold for any kind of Mars Excursion is as of yet Undisclosed aside from Elon Musk himself saying that the payload on the first Falcon heavy rocket last week was going to include his Tesla which will place space odyssey around In orbit around Mars forever because yeah So someone has been a now or something or there is no you don't get any credit. No I mean, I I was banking on them making another big splashy PR move like they did with the with with the trip around right, right You also said Johnny Ives will resign from Apple. So that's true Very quietly He hasn't let anybody know but that's no another light box Yeah, it turns out a an iconic part of an iconic company Remaining part of that company. I should have known I mean that in hindsight. This is a big a Big big misstep for me because there's no way Well, he might have resigned if he were to resign along with the 10 coming out like to say that all right This was an endpoint for him, but you know, I would he he's Johnny Ives He does what he wants. You also said Guardians of the galaxy volume 2 will make more than 652 million dollars making it the highest grossing Marvel movie of all time and the fourth all-time highest grossing movie Yeah, that's another listen guys. There is no joy in Mighty Casey is struck out this one You know Guardians of Galaxy one of the highest grossing movies of the summer along with Wonder Woman however I don't know if it made more than 800 million worldwide, but you meant domestic. I meant I meant domestic You know the at the end of the day I don't know of anything other than a Star Wars movie is going to ever rank You know unless we continue to get new and different for 5d 3 dimensional crazy upsells if we're ever gonna hit You know some of the rare air of The top five if anything we we saw a slower sale box office this year big time and yeah, and yeah, you know, it was It it did well it did well again. It was that and Wonder Woman that really made all the money This year, but the galaxy too was very well received Yeah, but my hold on or anything It's not as much as you thought it would I hope was that it was going to Just kind of become Like step into like a step beyond where it was and become like its own Star Wars sort of franchise Final domestic gross on it was 389 million dollars so far below 652 million. All right, so to the panel How how would you rate Justin's? Nostradamus abilities zero out of three Big whiffer, but a for effort. Oh See that. Oh, I just want I want to point out one of one of my predictions from next year has already come true Well, that's not possible Justin since that shows tomorrow. You haven't made it yet It's all in your mind. You had a fever dreamer Prediction that one also Chains has already come true, but it actually hasn't even come true Because the the predicts report that it might happen There's predictions of my predictions that I'm going to make coming true before I say it This only makes sense to a timeboard. It's all I'm gonna say. Yeah Scott Johnson you predicted that this will be the year Nintendo comes back writing on the popularity of the switch game console I feel like that act that came to fruition and came true It's not quite what I what I'd actually said was that they by July or August would have sold 10 million switches That was a little ahead of schedule Although they're about there now as of October. They were pushing eight. They expect to be 17 million after This next quarter by April is what they're saying. So that's there if they're forecast hold they'll be doing really well but I think it's pretty universally accepted that Nintendo got back on board with the switch in 2017 I feel pretty good about what you know turned out so As the other gaming expert expert on the panel, I will say that not only did you I will absolutely give you this one but also it was Very doubtful back then that they would it's almost like I want to say you took a shot in the dark like Just for contradicted for the sake of contradicting everyone But yeah, you saw it coming and absolutely you get points for this I remember specifically in our conversations during those prediction episodes that you in particular told you you were crazy You thought I was crazy. Oh, yeah, I feel a good about that At least you also said there would oh sorry Justin go ahead This one to me is probably one of the best predictions that we have here on this show Yeah, you don't you darn right that nobody really saw the switch coming and now I own one But my but our friend Andrew Main who is famously Anti-video games bought a switch. It was one of the most mind-blowing conversations. I've ever had with them They released two game of the year candidates like it's it's it was about crazy Banner of a year as you could have for you for somebody who is Against games was there a game that swayed him? I don't know. I mean Andrew who knows but Certainly for me it was Zelda. I mean as soon as everybody was raving about what Zelda was and You know playing through it gosh darn it if they weren't right. It was just Maybe the best Zelda game ever made in my opinion what they proved is The hardware is important to an extent But what really matters is the software in this case and it's the games that absolutely sold the console more even than the Than the heart the console itself. You also predicted a new Pokemon franchise Plus would bring the full Nintendo game IP for the switch and a possible Mario pack-in game Yeah, I had a backwards what I should have done is said a New Mario game would be huge and bring flocks of people back to the fold And it would be incredible and probably end up being my game of the year this year And that Pokemon would still exist but mostly on the 3ds and a little bit more on phones with go and they were gonna do more Mobile I didn't see all that stuff coming in the way that it's come, but they're just holding on to it They'll be a huge big Pokemon thing on the switch at some point. It's just supposed to be one in next year They're supposed to be a really good Pokemon game coming out next year in 2018. Yeah But the rumors rumors Rumors, yeah, but it seems likely right. It's a huge franchise. This thing's oh very likely. I'm just not sure about 2018 You also said Nintendo would not increase third-party game support I was wrong on this one and I'm happy that I was wrong on this one Not just the the brute force of sales is helping them get third-party support for the device But they're Attach rate on indie games smaller games some of them older that have been on other platforms But have been coming to the switch and some newer experiences are coming out of the woodwork and it's awesome So I could not be happier to have been more wrong about how much third-party content there would be available on that device And finally you predicted I going out on a limb here I think that tech companies would butt heads with the president's administration. Yeah, I mean I'm Partially correct. There was some early head butting some exit. Yeah, there's been continual head butting and then cooperation and then more head butting and right now there's kind of a weird quietness on the part of the industry which bugs me a little bit, but Whatever my own personal feelings aside. I It was a rocky in the beginning and I started thinking. Oh, yeah, look at this my things coming true But I'm not sure the year has been I mean, it's been an interesting year for the administration But I don't know that it's been punctuated by too much tech blowback and Justin Robert young host of politics politics politics, how would you grade Scott's prediction here? I? Wouldn't I wouldn't give it to him unfortunately. I think that that we are at a point now We're between law enforcement and Other kind of privacy concerns It's it, you know that the tech come Silicon Valley at large was not in love with the Obama administration Past the the prism releases and stuff like that. So I think that they're there's About as much flux as I would say as you know value over replacement president I Think you get this one But I think it's obvious because tech companies always butt heads with every administration and this was no Exemption tech companies are butting heads with the FCC over net neutrality Regulation tech companies are butting head had butt heads over the advisory council many of whom resigned for various reasons So yeah, I I would give it to you But on the basis of like well sure yeah, of course they would I just feel like maybe there be bigger buttings or bigger butts Yeah The the butts seem a little less budding buddings worth than I expected So I would say for for you to really get this Trump would have to be kicked off Twitter or something He was for a couple of days. Yeah, well, no, he was for an hour He was not kicked off he was accidentally turned off Yeah, we don't believe him yeah Well, you cannot believe him that's that's up to you. I don't know what I think to be honest I don't even know Let's move along to Patrick Beja Patrick Beja You predicted that valve or Oculus would announce a second generation headset, but not necessarily release it So I'm not sure I can get this one if I was you know deciding for myself myself I would say no with a tiny caveat that Facebook did announce the Oculus go was it and I think this is gonna be a really big deal for the VR market and the the the industry But I don't know that it's really the kind of second generation headset that I was thinking about for You know, basically the vibe to or riff to it's a side thing which is still gonna be very important But yeah, I wouldn't yeah, I wouldn't give it to and valve announced a wireless headset coming as well But again, not the vibe to Right. Well, I think if you would if you had made valve and Oculus will announce new headsets You could have you could have totally run away with this one I think I mean they even even Oculus has been talking about the what the what's the code name sent something sent Monica sent Rosa, right But even that they've been talking about it But it's kind of like we're working on stuff and they haven't properly announced The model that will be coming out. So yeah, I would have to be pretty Disingenuous to give myself this one. So I won't because I'm honest and respectable Now the next one you said Apple would not release a connected AR product including an SDK So wait, what do I mean by including an SDK? Did I say it like that? I'm not sure The note-taking is a little confusing here, right? So you have to remember there is there was a lot of rumblings about an AR headset coming from Apple for the last I would say three to six months before the end of the year last year and Obviously, they didn't come out with a view with an AR headset But I forgot the part about the SDK because they certainly did come out with the SDK. So Okay, I don't if we go by Point five point five credit, right point five, but I like your rule jury where it's yes or no No partial credit. So I think by that rule. I don't get credit Yeah, I mean because it's not really a tremendous thing to say that Apple won't come out with something that Is not kind of it's so much easier to be like this company won't do this thing Well, not in the context I really the same was said last year But I really feel that in the context of last year with a lot of rumors about Apple working on some kind of AR thing in the midst of the Popularity of VR a lot of people were saying it's actually gonna be coming next year, right? So I wasn't just saying, oh, it's not coming, you know, they're not You were responding saying don't think it'll happen. Yeah, it was basically a lot of people saying yes It's coming. They work. They're working on it It's probably gonna be coming less next year and I was saying no, I don't think that's gonna happen So but yeah, I yeah, no, I don't get it So, uh, two not gets I mean is that what we're what we're with here? Ah, I would love to award myself half points, but again, I like juries juries Stern Nation on this. Yeah, it's all or nothing. So yeah nothing just like just like jury. I mean he lived through it So it's fine. Yeah, it's fine man. Hey, listen, we went over for 2017. Let's say it's all right We can we can that's our cross to bear. Yeah, let's see if Shannon morse has to bear anything like that You predicted we will see hits to large online data privacy and security net neutrality and privacy regulations will be stripped away I think I was um, well Come December 14th most likely all of that will be true because we did have the Equifax hack earlier This year. So I think that really hits the nail on the target with the whole We'll see hits to large online security and privacy. So that was that's it right there And with net neutrality, um, the FCC is going to be voting on it on December 14th And they've repeatedly said that they don't care about public opinion and that they're going to vote it away So chances are we're going to see title two disappear and that's They voted in a way two weeks ago November 14th, right. That was not a surprise. You're so right. Yeah, exactly Yeah, I mean other the privacy regulations would be the only part that's even up for debate Here because they didn't actually make any legislation on that Uh, but but otherwise everything you said happened Ha I can tell the future Uh, Mariah or variations of it will cause people in industry to take a closer look at internet of things products consumer focused software like nmap to check to see if your iot products are vulnerable I didn't see either of those happen. So unfortunately people are still not taking a close look at iot products like they should I'm still seeing plenty of people buy like the cheap knockoff security cameras that That have a direct line to the internet that anybody can snoop on and put on shodan So those are still huge issues in iot and the consumer software I was really hoping that we would see something like nmap, which is very geeky But for consumers so have a nice graphical user interface so that people can really take a look at what's happening on their network And we didn't see anything like that. So developers. It's your time. Let's make it happen I I will admit to being one of those people that buy that bought two ip cameras that connect directly to the internet I would say, you know, and you know to Shannon's point Know what you've described specifically hasn't happened, but I think there is a conversation around Smart things in my home and what are they doing and you know, where do they go and who's really monitoring the stuff you know based on my convenience, so We're getting there the closer look is happening. The actual action is lacking Yeah, yeah in my defense. I I actually did close off all Outgoing ports to those cameras so you can only look at it on the land And I have a pin. I set up a vp. You'd be proud of me I set up a vp on the way router and I I could I actually just vp in it Roger's just sensitive because you said people who buy cheap cameras and he's like Sorry Roger. I'm calling you out. I I totally worked it so they can't call home or do anything online Well, that's good. You mind if I test that theory with uh You want to drive that you want to drive down sure and then once you can't find anything you got to buy me a ticket A ticket for three to a universal students. Oh nice. Okay as long as I can go and dress up like a Hermione Yeah, all right, cool. I want to be part of this now too And then pandering uh and in a perfectly appropriate way Shannon predicted dts will rock in 2017 Oh, yeah, that was absolutely. I knew that was going to be correct full credit I I did not predict sarah lane Being on the show every day. I did not predict her joining. So I think that I missed. I missed part of the mark But What a nice thing that's part of a rocking. Yeah. Yeah, that's a rock. You just didn't know how hard that's part of the rocking Yeah We knew it would rock just not as hard as it does So, uh overall how how how do we give shannon? Uh, what do we give shannon? What marks? 90% Oh, wow, lenn. Thanks Yeah, no, I think that's uh That's that's two points two out of three. Yeah, all right Len said 90 for two out of three not because he's a product of Ohio public education, but because he's next I just wanted to You know, you got 90 right come on Uh, Len you predicted we would see a push towards internet accreditation as a reaction to fake news possibly integrated into a web browser To highlight sites that are accredited or not. Yeah, I Not in the way that I thought it was going to happen. I thought there was going to be more like flags up Or fake news Guys, what would make for terrible politicians? We are so bad at taking credit or partial credit because I would give Len credit for this because Facebook chrome Yeah independent organizations, I mean Do some pushes for that too Yeah You know, what's going what's gone on wrong? We didn't say they'd be good. Len. You just said that people would do it I well, I thought that they would be more It would be more kind of an integration type thing. I don't know. I guess facebook's done it to some extent So yeah, facebook and google. I mean you mentioned a web browser, but for a lot of people it's like Facebook is kind of like a web browser. You know, I mean it's not too far off Yeah, okay, I'll I'll take that one. Thank you I would I would give you I would give you the point here, uh, I think that there are web browser tools for this but uh The big the big push the fact that this became a bigger issue that the companies had to deal with I mean from Last year to this year we went from facebook saying that it was it was an outlandish idea that this could have affected the election to them Putting a lot of time effort resources and messaging into talking about it Yeah, you also predicted adobe will produce a full featured photoshop for the ipad len still got to wait unfortunately, um Yeah, I that's That would have been the one I would have had an ipad pro in my hand using the apple pencil if there was a full featured Photoshop app Didn't really see it. There are things that are close to it not by adobe Um, but i'm not really seeing uh what I have predicted Like can I give you a little anecdotal thing here about that? Yeah, go ahead So, uh, I've been using the pro for a while Have this year's version of the pro and this year's version of the pencil It's a long reason why or anyway past my other one down to my daughter. She needed for school So we worked that out and got that thing and I was having kind of the same problem It's like for production stuff. I really need Like access to my adobe stuff and more than what adobe is providing on on uh ios right now has kind of been garbage It's not terrible, but it's they're better things and uh kind of went back and forth and back and forth then uh pro create for landed And most of my reasons for not going start to finish on that device have vanished And I use it almost entirely now. In fact, I feel like my way com misses me and probably cries at night I don't know what it thinks i'm doing Uh with my time, but I use that thing more than any other device now when it comes to art and that changed overnight with that application Now there's still some things missing and there's some other stuff going on but I think that Now more than even a year ago. There's never been a better time for that particular platform And once you get the hang of it and that latency is so low and a few other reasons why there's some advantages It's really actually hard for me to go back to even a larger screen With my way com because I know i'm going to get less of an experience on there So for those out there listening to this it's still it's still kind of an up and down thing But if you're looking for a more portable way to do it or you need this for school or whatever the reasons are um pro create for is God send it is an awesome application that finally gets me closer to where I want to be Can you record on that? Can you record through pro create you can stream you can record You can play back. You can do all of it. Oh, well that that might be the answer to my third one You said apple would introduce a cintiq killer. Yeah. Well, I I don't think it really was I mean, there's nothing that's out there. I mean the ipad pro is I wouldn't call it the cintiq killer But hearing what scott just said um It's a possibility. I mean that is something that I have to consider um Yeah, I'm I'm just I'm an old guy who likes the stuff that I have and moving to a something new is a little bit scary um So but uh, but you're giving me a little bit of hope scott. I I like the fact that I mean I tried the apple pencil here I was Sort of I don't know there was still something missing on that for me But maybe because I wasn't using the right The right soft well the app is heads and tails better and I would I would say this The fact that you can now import and export psd files directly from this thing is a huge thing for production guys like us So it may make a difference for you and it may be worth revisiting It sort of just depends on what people are in the market for I mean, honestly if you've got a big fat waycom Probably don't need to go nuts for going all in on this on this smaller platform But as somebody who's just getting in I would have killed for this years ago would have been amazing Well, plus it's also it's good for traveling for sometimes I do remote sites and stuff like that so That might be a good solution for anybody that needs to be Instead of pulling along a huge cintiq or whatever. You can just bring the ipad pro and procreate So I don't know the uh, I wouldn't call it a cintiq killer, but it came pretty close All right Now to shine the spotlight on myself Uh, I said by the end of 2017 an autonomous car service would launch out of testing Somewhere in the world. It would still require an attendant It would be someone like newtonomy uber or alphabet I was wrong because I said out of testing. There's actually services now operating But they're all in beta or other tests and you have to be allowed in You know, you just had your time. Yeah, you don't have to give me charity. It's fine You were wrong tom This one is just a very uh, uh tricky situation because not only are you dealing with speculative arms of large companies, but also Uh, you know just where the uh, uh regulations going to be, you know, well There are going and also Wayma wants to launch out of testing driverless. No attendant cars this coming year We'll see if they actually do but arizona is very friendly to that idea. Uh, so Wow, I mean, I'm just ahead. That's all Yeah, didn't they launch services and gated communities? Uh, type in testing Testing situation. Yeah. Okay. So it's still testing. Okay. Yeah, that's that's why I don't get it They're all in 2020 right still everything's moving in 2020 is going to be amazing That's your big Internet of things will market itself on AI and collaboration with other Internet of things and I would argue that what is going on with google home And amazon echo and to a lesser extent cortana and maybe even siri Uh, that's that's what's happening is the the AI as the voice assistant is being the thing that's like Hey, we work with that and you're seeing everybody getting into one of those ecosystems It's a little bit of a stretch, but it's not completely Uh, un Winnable of a stretch. So Yeah, maybe Yeah, we're giving that one. Yeah If you can like think in terms of my sonos one, right? Like everything that I'm pulling is amazon alexa So in that sense it kind of works. Yeah Uh, and that is the only one even close to me getting right because I also said the hollow lens would launch And sell better than any of the vr headsets Hey, uh, hey tom remember when I said that scott's prediction about the switch was like the best one of the player go This is the opposite Yeah, this is the bookhead to scott's glorious shining prediction. This is the dirty inverse of it because We should have kept this one in the fridge We are a hail mary, you know, you were optimistic and I thought people were gonna be buying tickets to mars watching uh, the the highest grossing film of all time at least that one's fun Yeah, I I would say tom was in the right, uh Neighborhood we all wanted to see more from the If only we we were predicting things that we wanted to see I understand that but i'm telling you almost any other company with the lead the lead time They've had the time they've had to adjust the time they've had to get to market microsoft should have something out by now so Not rages. I wish this would happen. I think that should have happened This is the curse of microsoft though, right? Is they they have great rnd And it gets them so excited that they make these great videos to get everybody all excited and then You know, they don't ship and and and the stuff that they do actually demo is kind of you know, not bad just Not great and certainly not what they promised Yeah, all right Yeah, I mean the thing about the autonomous car service is I can argue like oh that one's just early This one I don't think I would make this prediction for 2018 All right now as we mentioned the last time sarah lane did predictions was on our predictions episode for tech news today in 2013 for 2014 so we went back and listened to sarah And uh, you've had three years for your predictions to become true Here's what you said back then First a wearable wrist technology watch fitness tracker music perhaps replacing the ipod nano will be announced by apple Well, I announced at the end of 2013 and They announced at the end of 2014 september 2014 I recall when the apple watch was announced. Yeah, so this one I got real right. Um, and I'm just going to go ahead and take the Take the w on that one eat the devil Thank you. Are you just um, but no, I mean that was it was kind of going in that direction It's kind of hard to remember how we all felt at the end of 2013 four years ago but But I do remember it was It had become very obvious that the kind of fitness tracker movement watch thing was going to happen and um That was careful not to say that it was going to be apples product necessarily But I did say like, you know kind of an ipod nano type thing small but More fully functional. So that Kind of came true And I'll go ahead and run through some of my other ones tom unless you want to team me up on All right, so my next prediction was that a drone would hurt or kill somebody And then drone flares would have to require special licenses okay, well I'm not I think I was thinking in very general terms of like it's going to be mayhem drones would be outlawed The whole thing obviously has not happened, but there have been some mishaps both, you know personal sector and uh at private sector, you know flying within uh airport zones that sort of thing so depending on when you Are reading the news of these drones Nobody died No one even really got hurt But no, but the licensing did happen and then it got taken away. That was good. Yeah And I mean, I'm I'm glad no one got hurt Or maimed were killed, but I think that the you know the the attention that I was talking about Yeah, like hold on a second like what are we flying? Where are we flying them? Who's doing this that all pretty much came to fruition? I think I think you were thinking of like some child gets maimed and it's on the front of time magazine and it's like You know, yeah Yeah Exactly that did not happen. All right. What about your next one? You know what else didn't happen? Uh yahu did not buy a path and that is something that I predicted at the end of 2013 Oh my gosh, how young we were Now in my defense I remember at the end of 2013 because I was an avid path user for you know in the beginning days And I sort of felt like this is the whole experiment that just isn't working Everyone wants to be like on the public social media And so I thought yahu was the kind of company that would want that waning brand Didn't happen, but you see where I was going with that It didn't seem crazy then It would have made perfect sense yahu was still a viable company that wouldn't be bought by other companies back then And path also was a company that people used for things Yeah, and and that and that was a feeding frenzy era for social media. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely In fact, it was it was it was less about like, oh, what can path do for yahu and more of like They're just you know, this would be companies are going to eat other companies and just consolidate This would be just as quaint if yahu had bought path, which isn't out of the question Yahu could have bought path and we would all still be laughing about wow, you got it right But who knew it wouldn't really matter Yeah, whatever happened to path this path exists. I'm redownloading it right now. Let's all get back on By a I believe a south korean company Um and sort of folded into some of their similar messaging offerings a couple years ago. Yeah All right, what about your ces 2014 prediction? Well, I predicted that curved screens would be all the rage at ces on the floor But the consumers would not bite. It's kind of true There were there were a lot of curved streams I remember maybe not as many as you thought but there were so there were a bunch They got really popular this year I have yet to see one in any, you know home of Are you talking about curved TVs or monitors because we have like seven curved monitors at my workspace Well, I'm in curved TVs, but I think they're you know, it's a bit of a you said curves There's an overlap there certainly Yeah No, she was talking about TVs. I remember I've seen a lot more curved monitors being used in workspaces, especially for Editors and photoshoppers and stuff like that But I have not seen curved screens in most consumer households. So I think that you were correct in your findings for that Thank you, Shannon. Um, okay, finally Man, this this app is a ghost town. I think it is Still on path. Holy crap Oh, yeah, maybe maybe oath will buy path from the south korean company Um, finally just to wrap my dome predictions up Bitcoin I predicted would hit 3000 us dollars in 2014 and then drop to three dollars within the same year So the range in 2014 for bitcoin was a low of about 320 and a high of about a thousand It never hit three thousand dollars until august of this year Wow Uh, and now it's at crazy the high numbers. Yeah, certainly I don't know. I don't know what I was thinking with these numbers I think it was just because I was just starting to get like interested and you know this whole I don't know crypto thing and it felt so volatile that I just like went dramatic I didn't really hit the right numbers But I think you know at least I was on the you know the right track with the fact that it's still really volatile And half the time no one knows what's happening All right, we're going to wrap up uh with darin kitchens predictions from last year and shannon, uh, darin couldn't be here But shannon has volunteered uh to to take on the defense This is not really a defense, but you will accept these prediction results on his behalf. I will accept All right, and then he will buy me a beer. We will see a war on cryptography like legal regulation for back doors So I don't think that we've seen as much regulation that darin was expecting last year What we have seen this year is more financial regulation So we have seen um some some court orders happening to warrant Coinbase for example to give up information on the account users And we've also seen the irs Consider bitcoin and other crypto currencies to be a part of your tax Taxable income or taxable profitable property. So on the financial side We have seen a little bit of things happening in that nature But I haven't seen as much about back doors and privacy as as darin was speaking on He also said wearables would hit a slump in 2017 until there's a huge leap in battery or sensor technology I'm I don't think we've seen a slump. Um, I think that it's like yeah, it's it's it's a leveling even maybe slight steady climb But I I haven't really seen it die off and I haven't really seen it spurt back up yet So I don't think that was true. I think this was his gimme prediction last year I was like, oh, yeah, it's totally gonna slump and I think the surprising thing is that it just didn't It didn't go up, but it didn't yeah It kind of transferred from other Manufacturers to apple with the apple wash gaining ground, but it so in that sense, it's sort of less of an exciting bubbling market Um for everyone, but there is one consolidation. Maybe would be a market share just kind of moved around Yeah, although we did see the the jump in battery tech where now apple put a antenna on on the newest version Which was the biggest problem with the previous versions was that it didn't have a Yeah, not quite the huge it it's just a matter of degrees And this prediction would have been dead on And then he said the emergence of the ubiquitous selfie drone will be the next wave of the drone craze And could see the banning of the selfie drone Well, no banning of selfie drones, which is great because I'm like just getting into a consumer droning myself So I'm very excited about the selfie drone consumer market, but we have started seeing We have started seeing a few selfie drones on the market like the dji spark has the the follow Motion that it can do so it can follow you around and it can pay attention to you as you move around Which I consider to be a selfie drone However, the one that we saw on Kickstarter I believe completely failed and never refunded their their people the people that backed them So otherwise it hasn't really become ubiquitous. We we have not seen a lot Develop in the selfie drone market. So I think that prediction was slightly off I don't think selfie drones are going to be the next drone craze I believe that the drone market is still very niche and it's it's for a maker market And it's for like a racing market and stuff like that and people that are like vloggers I I don't really think that selfie drones are going to become this big thing that That he thinks that they will be Yeah, so selfie drones are a non-starter if they're more than $50 if you want to really get into that kind of market Exactly, although I will say this If if snapchat had done, uh, selfie drones instead of spectacles At least the camera would have been pointing the right way for their audience Maybe they wouldn't be sitting on them. We got together Sarah roger and I got together to do some planning I last weekend at the grove here in la and as we're walking back to the parking garage roger's like What's that thing and I'm like, oh that's a spectacles vending machine Oh, funny and and there was no one in line for it. I'm like, that's the thing people were waiting two hours to buy spectacles out of Last year, we also couldn't figure out what the google home mini. Oh, right. Yeah Google home was giving away donuts. I turned out It was a chance to get a google home mini for free and if you didn't win the google home mini you got donuts But it was not clear the line was oh, yeah That line was long. Yeah. Yeah, they did one of those in san francisco too. I didn't go So, uh, how do we how do we rate darin here? What what's his final score? I would give them One out of three It's two points. No point two points Wait point two out of three or Yeah, point two out of three. He was He was fine. Okay, but no most of it was wrong. All right. How do we feel we all did collectively? Uh on the entire slate I'd say apart from apart from scott's Spectacular win Um, it's not it's not great. I feel like we're not doing a great job at 20 percent 20 percent. Hey, mine. We're good I'm proud of mine. I think that overall I I'm looking at the you know, maybe for next year We should just have scott and shannon do all the talking about that No, thanks. I'm not that good at making a ton of predictions. I can do like two good ones and that's it. You're spent after that. Yeah Yeah, uh, well, we will try it again and we'll see if we can do better Uh tomorrow's episode will be 2018 predictions. Uh myself sarah roger Justin scott johnson and jen cutter. Uh, we'll make our best efforts to predict 2018 That's it for this particular episode. Uh, let's just go round the horn. Thank you. Justin robber young for joining us What do you got going on coming up in this new year to tell people about? Uh, well folks, you can uh Go ahead and follow me on twitter. Uh, just in our young, uh as Since since sarah was predicting that yahu will bypass and and maybe a little bit before then i've been, uh, Horsing off there. That's the best place to find me twitter.com slash justin are you patrick beige. What about yourself? Uh twitter.com slash not patrick. It's easy to remember and you will keep in informed of everything I do including pixels, which is a gaming show and the phillis club, which is a new international Perspective news show scott johnson and just a few days. It's going to be 2018 Where should people go to find out what you're up to in the new year? Well, they should go to frogpants.com and one of the reasons is I mean I pretty much do a show with everybody we're talking to today With the exception of len and I I don't see shannon nearly enough on shows, but Uh, I will plug one specifically. I do a new show adjusting called Unfriend me where we tackle the biggest issues in our social Uh culture these days and we don't shy away from the scary ones So if you're interested in that but like to have an environment where friends really talk about issues and we take your calls It's a great place to go. So check that out frogpants.com slash unfriend me or wherever you get your shows Shannon morris, what about yourself? Uh, well, I guess today since I'm on the tech thing set. I will pimp tech thing dot com And youtube.com slash tech thing we just finished up Well, I just finished up my 30 day security challenge and it's 30 days of short format videos to help you Get introduced and educated on consumer level security and privacy I really hope that everybody watches that and gets on board with security and privacy because that's my passion And uh this month we are doing a whole slew of gift guides and stuff like that for the holidays So definitely check it out and make sure to subscribe on youtube That was a really good month of gift guides that you just finished doing Thank you past 28 days. Yeah, great job. We all loved it. I highly Uh, enjoyed it. I'm I'm so glad you enjoyed my my whole december of gift. It was so good Nailed it. Yeah nailed it T. E. K. Thing tech tech thing dot com. Uh, go check it out And uh, thank you patrons for allowing us to do one more year of shows We got big plans for c. E. S. Sarah lane is going to be there. I'm going to be there Roger chang is going to be there. Uh, if you want to make sure that we don't starve Back us on patreon patreon.com slash dtns Uh, sarah, we've already gotten some feedback from people who are also going to be at ceo So let us know Yeah, yeah emails Feedback at daily tech news show dot com and uh, we will be back in action on january 2nd Tuesday live at 430 p.m. Eastern 2130 utc at daily tech news show dot com slash live That's it for the daily tech news show one more show coming in 2017. That's the prediction show tomorrow. We'll see you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frogpants.com Simon club hopes you have enjoyed this bro