 me clap twice if you can hear me clap three times if you can hear me okay amazing thank you so much we are gonna get started with our neighborhood planning assembly meeting so we're gonna start by adopting the agenda were there any qualms on that if not gonna hearing none then following that I'm wondering if is Joe McGee here no okay well we just wanted to say thank you for his service he's stepping down from city council and you know did a great job for for us representing us all and then I'm gonna follow up with a quick introductions of all of the MPA steering committee members my name's Erica I use she she her pronouns I live on Decatur Street and I'm from Ward 2 hello everyone hi everyone I'm Lauren I'm from Ward 2 I live on North Ave and I'm a steering committee member hey everyone I'm Roxanne I'm a Ward 2 steering committee member I'm Molly Flanagan I am also a Ward 2 steering committee member amazing okay I don't think we have any other MPA steering committee members if anyone is interested in hearing about the process of becoming a steering committee member they can always come talk to me or any of the other folks that raised their hand and introduce themselves okay then following that we're gonna do public forum so I'm wondering if anyone has any things to present about my name is Polly Vanderputen and I came to public forum tonight because the school commissioners are not formally on the agenda but I wanted to thank you all in person first for my reelection so I'll be representing Ward 2 now on the school board I was Ward 3 but because they changed the districting on Ward 2 this will be my third term and I'm honored to serve you so first thank you second thank you is for the school budget I cannot tell you how grateful we are in Burlington that right now we're having conversations about planning for our students last Wednesday I was at a committee meeting talking about the on top and horizons programs and some changes to that for next year and I thought this is kind of a miracle because I work in a district that did not pass its budget and the conversations there right now are who's getting cut what programs are getting cut so if you go down Institute Road you can see the fruits of our labor so far demolition of the old school new foundation for the new school and then also I just want you to know that it makes a huge difference in morale for families and teachers and staff and students to know that we have a budget to work with so thank you so very much does anyone else have an announcement hi I'm Wendy co I'm the Ward 2 clerk so when you come out to vote and I know Ward 2 and Ward 3 people love to vote so H.O. Wheeler otherwise known as integrated arts Academy is going to be doing some renovations and so at the August primary the November presidential and state election and next town meeting we will have to relocate somewhere I'm hoping it will be right in this room but and I'm sure the city will put out warnings and announcements a lot but I just thought I'd start early to let you know that we won't be going over to our usual place thank you thanks hi Jean Bergman and I am the Ward 2 city counselor right now and thanks to all the Ward 2 voters here I am going to be the Ward 2 city counselor next term so I want to first thank you all for that it was and I'm just amazed at the turnout at in Ward 2 it was just remarkable so I've never seen anything like that and I've been voting around here for like 50 years but the reason that I'm here besides thanking you is that you might know that a Green Mountain transit has had a fare free program the legislature has not deemed fit to fund that for the urban transportation programs which means GMT and therefore they actually required as part of fare free last year that they re-institute fares this year so there's some issues related to the boxes but they're working on an equitable fare system that will maintain youth free fare and senior free fare and capping of the cost for low-income folks and so we all need to just keep that in mind but one of the things that is happening is that this is causing an issue with the two routes in Burlington the College Street shuttle and what's called the city loop that the city pays and has paid before the legislature went to fare free to make free and it's causing an issue in terms of just the way that the administration the way that the drivers are dealing with it and also it's causing some complications so we have got a decision to make and we are going to be taking this up at the Transportation Energy and Utilities Committee on Tuesday the 26th this this month right and you can zoom in you get it on the calendar the city's calendar or you can go in person down at DPW but it's really important for people to know for people to weigh in for people to focus on the equity issues and make sure that we're engaged in that work and the day before we're gonna have a resolution calling on the the Chittenden County delegation to call for sustainable funding of mass transit because we cannot survive a climate crisis without having an effective bus system so we all need everybody to be stepping up on that and then this is one of the issues that we've got to figure out how to deal with so thanks thanks so we actually don't take questions following an announcement but if you guys have announcements we will follow if you guys want to line up it might be easier good evening I'm here as a volunteer so I don't have the expertise but I wanted to let you know that we are handing out solar eclipse glasses and we have some information about the event itself time of day how to safely wear the glasses etc so make those available to you you're welcome to take one per family if we run out there will be other opportunities between now and April 8th for you to find another opportunity to get a pair of glasses there's also a flyer here about an event at Roosevelt Park that will help in the celebration and I also learned that the Vermont language justice project has information about the solar eclipse on where's my friend that told me about it in several languages I don't know if it's YouTube Facebook would you say that louder YouTube and Facebook thank you thank you I'm angry today but because they're little children here I will not curse I was on a meeting today that how many we've been reading about the latest plan to force people out of the motel program okay so what they want to do is this Friday this Friday push out 500 more people these include children include people are disabled include elderly people on the state building on Cherry Street which is right across from the transportation center they want to create an overnight shelter available 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. the rest of the day these people are on their own this is outrageous they're going to bring in the National Guard to run it and they're going to bring in the Sheriff's Department and possibly other private security the level of cruelty and it just being unnecessary is just beyond urge you all to email the governor because I just have no words to describe the inhumanity of this so please be aware please follow the news and if they actually don't pull this back at the last minute which it doesn't look like they are we're gonna have people in our community who are going to need our help thank you first of all I want to thank Gene Bergman for his work on fair free for transit when I was in the legislature that was a top priority of mine and we did have fair free right up until now I wanted to set one record straight just just not that it matters that much but it's actually we have two federal programs ones for rural and one is for urban Burlington and Chinden County and Washington County are considered urban it's the federal funding that stopped federal the federal funds for rural continues but not for urban in the past they didn't do it for either so we did it with state dollars we should continue doing it for state dollars I want to offer my help to Gene in that effort it's very very important when when there's no fair and transit you get 40% more ridership people use it use it more it'll grow more it should be fair free but technically it was the feds that dropped out and not the state but the state dropped out of both so it doesn't really matter I just set that record straight and and thank Gene for his efforts and then offer my help one also came up and asked me to remind folks to say their name and what word they're from thank you I'm Andrea Todd and I'm a new member of the Ward 3 I was a of the Ward 2 I was a longtime 3 and now I'm a 2 and it's very confusing thank you for sharing about the vote the polling change polling location changes I wanted to ask or let people know that there's things that are I think we should be asking for as the Ward 2 3 from Burlington Parks and Recreation I was reminded when we came in today that Roosevelt Park has been under the development under the review of you know the re-envisioning and we had some meetings here and I think that it's time that we get another update from Parks and Recreation so I just want to request that that happen we had a public input input meeting at one of these NPAs and I think it would be really great for Parks to report back to us what they're deciding to do with Roosevelt Park recently I also attended a public Works Commission meeting and I think I wanted to ask Jean sorry to do this directly but and our other council people coming I don't know if Joe is here but I haven't met you yet but there there's a lot of in the plan BTV Park ride or walk bike plan there was a goal for 10% increase of public mass public transportation of the use of GMT and it's been really disappointing how that's been a completely ignored element of the plan BTV from the Murrow administration and from the Public Works Department in the in the Great Streets project that's happening right now it was really disappointing to learn that there they've worked out negotiating 85 parking spots in the city for people to be able to come and park in Burlington but there's zero work being done on public public buses getting people from you know Staples Plaza to downtown Burlington and buses and I just think that's so short-sighted I think that's a really incredible opportunity for the city to be increasing public ridership and it's really disappointing that the Public Works director who's also the chair of the board of GMT is not working on public public buses more so I just want I want you all to know that that's going on and I'd like to request that Jean push the and Joe but I know Jean's on to to push the city to be really sticking and actually applying to the goals that we all set out and voted for which is the plan BTV bike walk plan and I think that's it I also just wanted to say how psyched I am that Emma is our mayor and that she's a old North Ender thank you hi everyone my name is Sarah Hernandez Tim and I'm the Public Information and Community Engagement Officer with the Burlington Police Department I was here simply to remind people and highlight a friendly reminder we sent out on our social and front porch forum recently regarding our BPD press releases if you would like to be added to that distribution list you're more than welcome to email me directly my email address is s tim t im m at BPDVT.org my information is also online and I'll be here for the meeting if you want to connect afterwards and also if you rather not be on the list all of our press releases are available on the city's website on the BPD web page thank you there any other announcements okay awesome I have an announcement and then I'll let you go a friend of mine is trying so there's a group called climate reality project and they have chapters across the country and a friend of mine is trying to jumpstart the Vermont chapter so she asked for me to present to folks and if anyone's interested they can come talk to me and I can get you in contact you can join the chapter a little bit about the climate reality project it was founded by former US vice president Al Gore and is working to catalyze work on global solutions to the climate crisis by making urgent action unnecessary necessary across every sector of society they're trying to recruit any interested folks who want to join a monthly meeting and talk about how you can take action on climate issues if you're interested you can come talk to me at some point hi everybody I'm Ivan Clipstein former ward two resident currently living in exile in the new north end hopefully soon to be ward three resident inshallah I have this project which is the multilingual community calendar which probably 15% of the people in this room might have one we printed up 1250 copies of it and about approximately 1200 of those went into the kind of like all sort of low-income working people's hubs around town particularly in our neighborhood for free and we have a sponsorship from BCA as well as a very small grant which was given to us kindly by the wards two and three NPA nonetheless it has been at best a breaking even project so the last 50 or so of them I've been selling just hand-to-hand for people who want to support the project for 25 bucks a pop if you think that language accommodation is a good thing and if you just like cool art and you might even see yourself among these pages and each page features the days of the week and the months in 13 of the most prominently or most commonly used languages of our area Kerundi and Swahili and Spanish and French and Vietnamese and Burmese and some other ones too so I have like the last like dozen of these and I think that's all I have to say about it thank you for your support and thank you to the words two and three NPA and thank you just for existing and being beautiful people okay thank you does anyone else have any other announcements okay so I'm Charlie G and I have a lot to do with the the elections in Ward three for many years so now with redistricting we have to rebuild the Ward three staff because with redistricting almost our entire staff used to live in Ward three and now almost the entire all those people now live in Ward two so we have to rebuild the staff for Ward three so if anyone is interested in being an inspector of elections or simply being an assistant like I'm gonna be you know sitting checking people in and giving them ballots etc. please feel free to let us know because we're almost starting from scratch we still have Barbara Alsup and Damon Lane but outside of that we've lost almost our entire staff to Ward two and by the way that's why Ward two got so many voters this last time is because they took that huge chunk of owner occupied properties that used to be in Ward three and now they're in Ward two so it was totally predictable that the boat the ballot count was gonna go up sky high in Ward two which is what happened and the vote count dropped in Ward three it's all understandable because of redistricting so that's fine but we do need to rebuild our staff in Ward three and I'm gonna be even though I'm in the president of Ward two so let me tell you how closely related wards two and three are so despite the fact that our entire staff at the polling place except for Barbara and Damon lived in Ward two they actually worked at the Ward three polls because they've worked there for years and they didn't want to abandon our beloved voting place so that's how closely related wards two and three are people in the Old North then so my name is Charlie and I'm interested in talking to anybody that wants to help staff the polling place in August November and January and March thank you okay we are out of time for announcements but if there's any one last announcement I will take it we never have this many so thank you all yes hi my name is Megan I'm relaying so I live on Pitkin Street I'm relaying some information I heard at a city council meeting from someone who lives at the Winnowski Bridge on the bike path if you guys go on the bike path he reported that he's been seeing a lot of erosion happening from as you know the massive amounts of rainfall and snow melting in the Winnowski River and I don't know if he went there last summer but there's tons of trees out there that's probably unprecedented the word that we all hear a lot with climate change but people are saying that the bridge is becoming less and less secure and it's something that we should probably start talking about and looking into sending engineers to look into because it's possible it could collapse and something we need to look into so it doesn't collapse and so that we're making sure that we're maintaining it so it doesn't collapse the next five ten years because an estuary where a river meets a lake is incredibly fragile and you can't send a realtor to rebuild an estuary so it's not like I don't know if we have a tendency to let things fall apart and then rebuild it I guess but you can't do that with an estuary so I think it's something we need to start talking about and hopefully send our money send our scientists our engineers to start looking into that so I'm not an environmental scientist I don't know exactly how to do that but I hope you guys keep that on your mind and hopefully it gets to be in some agendas in the future keep an eye out for it okay and now we're gonna have a presentation from Enrique I'll let you introduce yourself and your everything good evening thank you it's great to have such a large audience to reach to my name is Enrique Bueno I'm on the board of Vermont passive house organization and our mission is to inform and educate both the public as well as the government in what the high performance buildings are and specifically the passive house standard which is the most stringent standard building standard in the world so I prepare a presentation here if you give me a second I'll share that my screen well you're you're take away from the this presentations is how the building you live in impacts your health and well being the cost of living states economy development community access to the diversity equity and inclusion town or city ability to all electric out of renewable energy the environment and climate change action presentation mode yeah okay for those that are visual this if I am blocking your view I'd rather sit here then for those of you who are visual this this picture tells you part of the story that I'm just elucidated there it's our infrared infrared thermal image of a passive house retrofitted building compared to all the other adjacent buildings the blues are cold surfaces the reds and the yellows are hot surfaces so that this means that the adjacent buildings are losing energy impacting the budget of the occupants their health their comfort and as well as the environment because that energy is just warming up the planet in terms of what the passive hot building is it's based on building science so it's no rocket science is building science but it's based on five basic principles of our tightness no thermal bridges that means no cold spots in the envelope climate specific insulation high-performance windows and doors which for our climate here are three pain and not anything else it's not gonna work ventilation with heat energy or with heat or energy recovery so these are basic principles that basically any builder or any contractor really knows the only difference are on the targets and also on the attention to details the passive house is building benefits everybody our cost effect for low-income individuals provide peaceful and healthy indoor spaces support renewable energy use foster innovation and takes climate action from this slide I am showing you three examples of build the business that didn't exist six years ago on the bottom left corner is a prefabricated wall panels industry in New York State that fabricates insulation panels in a factory to rub up existing buildings and make them high efficient on the top right corner it's a new wood fiber insulation factory that started the last year in Maine is producing with the fiber insulation from scrap wood that they have there as well as insulation panels that they can so this is the best type of insulation that you can find because it's not only insulating but it's also sequestering the carbon that the wood has and on the bottom right you have a prefabricated components for from a company in Maine and Seymour's main that produces panels to basically Lego build any kind of building over the initial 15 years of passive house adoption in Germany 15 new window manufacturers emerge creating jobs and boosting the building materials industry we are we have been seeing that also here in the United States with new window manufacturers in the past five years so it's a it's an economic driver and job creator and the workplace instruction from the point of support diversity equity and inclusion but it provides the lowest cost of ownership income for low-income folks the lowest energy bills smaller and more efficient mechanical systems reduce maintenance costs lower expenses for mechanical system replacement this shows two different projects here in Burlington built by the same architects firm in Burlington one is the right house the inaugurated in 2014 the other one is in place in Milton inaugurating in 2017 the they both belong to cathedral square buildings the difference between one and the other is 40% Leonard less energy demand and the incremental cost to go from one to the other was only 2% and if you compare the passive house building with the stretch code that we have right now is the different of 68% energy demand difference so it's huge the difference in terms of meeting the challenge using electricity for space heating and domestic hot water over a past five years the people and business in Burlington used an average of 712 782 megawatts hours for each year just for things like heating hot water and cooking and that was supplied by Vermont gas services which supply 95% of the city in 2022 the Burlington electric department but managed to generate or buy 353 461 megawatts of electricity and the city consumed 209 609 megawatts of that power that's a pretty close one so the challenge is that if Burlington wants to switch to for using gas from using gas to electricity for all those heating needs we all Burlington electric or bed will have to triple the generating capacity plus we need to handle also the increasing demand for UVs electric vehicles and the city growth so it's a big challenge but it also reminder for why we should be more efficient with our heating and cooling to make sustainable renewable electricity a reality and it can be done all electric including domestic hot water this is a example of a building that was awarded the buildings for excellent award in New York it's a 422 units dwellings 316 affordable ones 106 family shelter and it's all electric so the site energy for those that understand the numbers is 19.59 kilo BTUs per square feet which is a very very good number in terms of what we want for you our call to action is we ask that the the NPA is actively participate in improving energy efficiency in building codes in creating a social inventory with resilient and low maintenance buildings in establishing ways to make sure an improved building code is followed we want because at this point Vermont has a building code but there is absolutely no enforcement no oversight that's one of the great advantages of the passive house standard we want builders to have better knowledge and skills and the NPA should bring up the issue of energy standards in building to the city council for review just for an example of what's going on around us six cities in Massachusetts including Boston led the way through zoning ordinances and now it's mandatory in those six cities to require passive house certification for buildings 12,000 square feet and up it's about half of the place that I show you the Massachusetts Department of Energy and why because the Massachusetts Department of Energy says is the only way to allow the future grid to supply the demand with renewable so it's sustainable ability starts here and it's a shot it sounds pricey but as you as I mentioned before it's only a two percent incremental cost and it's the the end place a building here in in Milton aligns with these other six examples of Massachusetts the Cambridge Finch on the right the upper corner for example is a low-income housing building in terms of incentives way for the Chittin country where Vermont gas service is they do provide two thousand seven hundred per apartment energy efficiency Vermont provides another five ten thousand for energy modeling thermal consumption and another three hundred per apartment for certification so for a thirty apartment building you can get one hundred thousand dollars that in intensive that cover all the certification costs in addition you can have also one thousand dollars per unit from the inflation reduction act passive house building standards provide the low power loss resilience buildings maintain libel conditions even during extended power heating outages which are becoming more and more not common is that provides a durable construction with preventing with a good hydrothermal sun components that are low structural drying preventing mold and rot and on-site renewables it optimizes the use of on-site renewal for to minimize depending on external sources it's also applies to any kind of building as I show you before with flexibility in the architectural design so it's it applies for single-family homes to high-rises in hospitals this is a comparison of a typical building energy consumption with a passive house building as you can see here the on the left is the typical building that the area under the curve is the energy consumption in and in the heating and cooling sessions seasons you have those peaks what passive house building does is reduce those peaks flatten the curve because regardless the type of building there will always be a difference between the amount of resources available in the amount needed and that's specific to renewable energy so a ripple effect is the efficient means less generation less storage and less transmission capacity needed so it's a less upfront cost for for the city and less maintenance cost too and it's also passive houses claim and action because passive house plus low embodied carbon materials plus electrifying everything plus clean energy equals zero carbon buildings which is the goal because we have been talking about net zero and net zero is a very very gray turn so this enables a sustainable electric development based on it. Thank you so much and now to follow that we're gonna have a presentation from Jacob one of our Ward 2 residents and he's gonna be talking about home electrification and other ways you can be decreasing your carbon footprint. Hi y'all I'm Jacob I'm super nervous and excited I'm also an energy nerd I'm gonna talk about so there's this whole climate crisis thing going on and the thing we've got to do most simply is we've got to stop burning fossil fuels so here's a quick question for you all who here personally burns fossil fuels okay here's the next question who here would like to stop personally burning fossil fuels if they could that's awesome all right next thing I'm next audience participation could you all stand up yep yep stand up and could you all come one table closer to me yeah yeah yeah one table closer to me oh the climate change we're never gonna solve it anyways so so here we go we're gonna talk about how to stop burning fossil fuels in your home and this lovely picture is what AI I asked AI to give me a image for my presentation and decide this is what it should be all right hello hi how'd you know I'm on the next slide all that's perfect so why why is this important so it's important because fossil fuel appliances are big ticket items so hopefully they last a long time right that means that they they make you buy and consume fossil fuels for a long time which is exactly what we don't want to do and if you have just one appliance it means you have to have the infrastructure for your fossil fuels which is a big cost and incentivizes you to use it more and more and more let's do the next one next no okay all right oh okay so what I want you guys to take away is I'm hoping you all think about planning for replacing your fossil fuel appliances because one there's a lot of great new options and old options you should reconsider two there's a lot of great new incentives and that's why I wanted to do this presentation is to kind of like air all those out help all my neighbors figure out what what's out there because there's so much going on but also really importantly is when do we replace an appliance we do that when it breaks and when it breaks it's an emergency and you won't have time to think about it and figure out the best option or the incentives or find the right contractor you just got to get something that works which means you're locking in another generation of fossil fuels okay so what are we gonna talk about we could talk about so many things there's so many fun things to talk about but we're not gonna talk about EVs we're not gonna talk about lawn mowers or or biofuels or efficiency unfortunately but we're gonna focus guys we're gonna focus on these four things that burn fossil fuels in a typical home okay so before we do that heat pump can you guys say that heat pump can you say heat heat pump I'm gonna be saying heat pump a lot sorry and just to get us all on the same page a heat pump is a device that moves heat from one place to another a fridge is a heat pump an air conditioner is a heat pump it's moving heat from one place to another but when we say the word heat pump typically what we're talking about is a device that moves hot from the outside or the ground and heats your home why they stuck with that name I don't know it's a terrible name but that's what we say and there's so many devices now that have incorporate heat pumps into it and that's what I'm gonna say heat pump a lot so when I point to you guys you guys say heat pump because I'm feeling a little self-conscious about how many times I'm gonna say heat pump so let's let's try this out I'm gonna point to you you guys yell out heat pump all right one more time one more time all right great cool so another thing why heat pumps are so cool is because they're ridiculously efficient there are two to three times more efficient than any other heating source that we typically use and that's why they're really exciting okay let's go let's keep going so another kind of background is incentives I'm gonna try to put the incentives for each thing as we go along so you can kind of get a sense of what's happening and the incentives are coming from mostly two buckets one is our Burlington Electric Department has a bunch of rebates and then the feds have the inflation reduction act that has a lot of tax credits there's another bucket that's coming but isn't here yet so we're not gonna talk about it but this is really cool this is rebates for electrification for low and moderate income folks which is really awesome but the program's not figured out yet probably the end of this year all right let's keep going so we're gonna we're gonna talk about appliances guys I hope you're excited yeah yeah so the first one up is dryers so if you already have an electric dryer whatever check you're done but if you have a gas dryer what can you do well you can get an electric dryer it's it's pretty much a straight swap except you need a 240 outlet and that's probably gun meaning you need to get an electrician in totally doable but just an extra step in the process oh and by the way you're like what's up with these pictures again AI made these for me I don't know about this one that might be a little dangerous you probably don't want that dryer but anyways here we go next one so the simplest by far and the cheapest by far is a clothes line this is how I dry most of my clothes and you could do it outside you can do it inside you know you could get a lot of clothes on a rack and some chairs and stuff of course you need some space all right that's there's some drawback but even in the winter you know my house is pretty dry in the winter I bet you use ours as well okay the new cool shiny thing is a heat pump dryer these are pretty wicked cool and why they're cool they kind of work like a dehumidifier but instead of drying moisture out of your basement they draw moisture out of your clothes and the neat thing about them is many of them can just plug into a normal outlet so you don't you might not need electrician to put one of these guys in well that's more they also don't need a vent so you don't need to put a hole into your house what's more is they also often are washer dryer combos so this can be like one that's super cool in many ways but also like a great option for a small apartment or a small house to put to put a washer and dryer where it normally wouldn't have worked out they are more expensive surprise surprise but there's some great rebates from Burlington Electric Department which kind of gets you right in the same ballpark so it's it's pretty exciting okay let's do the next one and the next gosh stoves again if you have electric stove you're done check if you have a gas stove well they're pretty much the same thing you can swap them out but again you need that where is it 124 volt outlet so that electrician so that's the that's the downside but the nice bonus is that you don't poison yourself with carbon monoxide okay next one now if you're a cook snob and say electric stoves those aren't good enough for my cooking needs you want one of these bad boys induction stove they're super cool they're just so much better at cooking than gas or electric like they're just like so much faster so much more respond if you're a cooking nerd this is what you want to get so much cleaner and safer because they don't get hot they heat up the pot instead of having a hot element on the stove so this is this is my favorite feature and if you can't tell I've just got one of these things and I'm my mind's blown you can just like if you spill something you could literally just clean it right up right there because you're not gonna burn your rag or what have you so cool all right they're more expensive but there are some rebates from Burlington Electric Department next slide if you can't you're not in a position to swap out your stove or don't want to spend a ton of money on it a nice option to get on the induction train is just to get induction hot play there's pretty inexpensive you can get them on Amazon Home Depot I bet you could probably even find one at City Hardware or Homeport and they just plug into it a normal outlay and so it's a great way if you want like you could use this for your primary burner and when you need a second burner that you can use their old stove or something but cool way to dive into it alright let's next one but then there's so many other ways to cook without fossil fuels right we know all these things microwave is probably the most efficient way you can cook food electric kettles by far the fastest way you can boil water so all these cool options that you probably already know and love okay we're getting deep in here hot water heaters so hot water heaters there are three flavors of electric hot water heaters and the nice thing about them is none of them need to vent gases outside your house right because there's they're not burning anything the old standby is the the traditional resistive hot water heater these guys are nice and cheap but they're very they're expensive to operate they're going to use a lot of electricity on the other end of the spectrum there's the heat pump hot water heater is more expensive for sure but operates much more efficiently and is much cheaper in the middle here we have a hybrid it's got both heat pump and the resistive why because you're scared about the black magic of a heat pump and it don't believe it yet and you want the resistive there as a backup so as I said these heat pump ones cost more but there's some nice rebates both from Burlington Electric Department and there's some also some federal tax credits so that is awesome all right by the way I'm going through these really fast if you have questions I'm not doing the details but if something excites you after this ask me questions and we can dive in the details that you find interesting okay oh we're on the next one so this is really exciting I know it doesn't look exciting but it's really exciting so on bill financing yes Brian loves this term on bill financing there is a problem right with upgrading equipment in rental units right the landlords have very little incentive to upgrade equipment because it's an investment for them so why are they gonna invest money that they're not gonna get benefit from and on the renter side why am I gonna throw money on something I don't own you know I could I could be leaving in a year or two doesn't make sense to sink money this is a great option because you can have somebody else own the equipment so in this case Vermont gas yes the gas company will take out your gas hot water heater and put in a heat pump hot water heater a heat pump hot water here that uses no gas and then they'll put those lease payments on your gas bill for you so they'll own and operate this electronic appliance for for you and which is a great way of doing it the the landlord doesn't have to buy anything the renter pays the lease while they're using it when they're gone it goes to the next renter that comes into it so you get to upgrade these these pieces of equipment without having that conflict what's more is even if you're a owner of a building it's kind of a nice thing because you don't have to put any up front capital down and also Vermont gas owns it so they're maintaining it you know how hard it is to get a broken appliance fixed in the middle of the night get your plumber out there well the Vermont gas has a lot of technicians they can usually get out there pretty easy so it's a pretty awesome option okay next one of that gas furnace or boiler and we're gonna be and just like the hot water heaters we have you know we've got the resistive electric over here and we've got the heat pump down here and we've got some hybrid options in between okay next one thank you oh that was good so in Vermont most electric resistant baseboard is not allowed in our energy code and that's because it's just wicked expensive and it's a renter protection kind of thing but space heaters are pretty cool option don't use it to heat your whole house because then you're gonna be spending bazillions of dollars and you might trip every breaker in your house but it's a great way to like just heat up a little room you know we're working from home or something you just you just need to heat up one room you don't have to heat up the rest of your house this is a great cheap way of doing it okay he oh thank you so they come in so many different sizes and shapes this is kind of like a typical outside compressor look but there's just so many different ways what's why why heat pumps why now what's so cool well in the last like decade or so they've gotten really good at making these things efficient in cold weather they they've been around a long time and in southern states that's that's what people use they have air conditioners that run both ways aka a heat pump right but those those units down in the south aren't that efficient at cold climates but now we do we could go down to negative 15 you guys think it's gonna get down to negative 15 again in Burlington no probably not again sorry so anyways but then there's concerns like what about backup what if the heat pump doesn't really work the black magic doesn't really work I kind of need that backup gas burner don't I but gas furnace or something no you could just put a backup electric resistance if you're worried about that okay next so that's what the outside looks like for a what about the inside so the most common type is called a mini split and the inside units of a mini split can look a lot of different ways this is probably the most common this is a wall unit and it's the most common because it's the cheapest let's be frank but you could get all sorts of different kinds like a wall ceiling mounts and floor mounts and all sorts of different ones you can have a what's called a one-to-one so there's one outdoor unit to one of these indoor units or you can have one outdoor units and multiple indoor units all sorts of different configurations these mini splits they are the cheapest they're the most efficient and they're what contractors are most used to so if you call up a contractor and say you want to they're probably gonna tell you you should get some of these and well go back and there's a bunch of rebates for them just look at all these crazy different rebates I haven't been talking about what all these lines mean we can discuss that if you want but look at all those money signs okay oh actually go back one downside and this is a big one for us right they don't work that well in small rooms they're not really sized well for small rooms and you know modern houses are kind of open open layout but all of our you know old houses have lots of the little tiny rooms so this can be it's difficult okay next one so in my old house this is what I did because it the mini splits weren't gonna work out but I've got ducks everywhere and what you can do is just take this furnace out and put in a heat exchanger that connects to your and there you go your ducks are working again there you go so this is this is a really cool option it's getting more and more popular I think this is what we're gonna see most of and contractors there's still there's not all of them are used to this yet but it's getting more popular and look we've got tons of rebates for this money money why is there such a big range the range is about efficiency so if you get one of those heat pumps that's from that was designed for southern climates yeah you're probably not gonna get much of a rebate because that's not very efficient but if you get a cold climate one you can you can get a pretty big rebate okay next one and the last here is do the same thing with your boiler take out that boiler put a heating exchanger now I'm gonna be frank this one you're gonna have to kind of probably hunt around your contractors most of them will say that doesn't exist yeah they don't know how to do it it's the newest thing so there's not a lot of comfort yet in in our contractors but it's totally doable in UK and Australia they do it all the time it's just something that has to get here okay let's do the next line oh my god we got to the end so let's I'd love to hear your questions I've got all these resources here so somehow you're gonna have access to these slides how are they gonna have access to these slides meeting minutes and also on the website whoa meeting minutes are on the website you can get you don't have to remember anything I said you could just go back here and click it and these are great things so Burlington Electric Department you want to see what those rebates were or the rewiring America has those inflation induction act and then you want to learn more about the technology here you go great options for you and then if you want to ask me questions you could do so now or during the rest of the meeting or later on you the steering committee knows how to get in touch with me okay let's do it does efficiency Vermont also offer rebates great question so efficiency Vermont is the efficiency utility for the whole state except Burlington and Burlington Electric is the efficiency utility for Burlington you go on the Burlington's website and the rebates and just basically puts you to the same portal that efficiency Vermont has hi hey can you get a use a heat pump to replace a gas boiler that feeds rate base radiators you know that circulate water around yes that was that last slide and so it totally exists you're gonna have to but it's the one that contractors are least familiar with so be ready to be patient and find that right contractor for you Jake I just want to point out that a lot of the move with electrification in our older homes is challenged by the fact that most of us have service that's a hundred amp service and to run a lot of these things at the same if you're running a range and you're running your dryer that's if you're running all them together you're gonna overload and you need to upgrade to a 200 amp service often so that's a big ticket but I think this IRA that in the inflation reduction act is offering some incentive to do that so I just this is a great one Brian love it it's so nerdy I'm sorry okay yes I'm going through it right now that's why no no this is good and so there's there's a couple of things to think about yes there's federal tax credits to help you upgrade your electrical service also you might have noticed a lot of those heat pump options were really great because they plug into standard outlets meaning they're not gonna tax your electrical service nearly as much so there are options now where you can get away with a lot more than it used to be there's also smart panels smart they're not that smart but this is smarter where you go like well think about how often is your dryer on how often do you have all the burners on your stove and your oven on all at the same time it's really not often so there's there's technology now that realizes this and say well you know we have all these electrical appliances they could overload your service if you turn them all on at the same time so just to make sure we're gonna like we're gonna apply some smart so you don't do that so there's lots of great options out there love to discuss more because there's there are solutions that aren't too crazy out there thanks I just want to ask a question about this is sorry a little bit less for you and more for our city counselors I know we kind of talk a lot about this transition that is happening which is awesome but I'm just wondering if there's any way to maybe or if we have in the past pushed for some kind of requirement for landlords that own commercial real estate to be required to put in any of this stuff within a certain time frame I know that landlords are really hurting for money with all this expensive rent but I would I feel like we could maybe have a little bit of community support for something like that I just wanted to know if maybe yeah yeah so we did pass a decarbonization ordinance called the carbon fee ordinance it's got a bunch of loopholes Nick up there and I and others tried to close those we failed we tried to get something on the ballot to close them we were defeated by the Democratic group and we said we're gonna continue to do that so the answer is yes there's a weatherization program for some reason our code enforcement office is not as aggressive as it was when I ran it so that's kind of a drag sorry Brian but I just gonna toot my own horn on that one but there's also a workforce lack for lots of this stuff so you know it's part of an integrated approach that we need to continue to to make so we are looking at that the Transportation Energy and Utility Committee has been talking about our building codes so that's part and parcel of the decarbonization and so the prior conversation I've just given the guy the card so I can we can see about upgrading that we'll work with Brian to see if we can make this happen and the answer to the question is yes we can do it if people rise up and demand it and I would love it thank you so much to add on to that this is bringing out so many thoughts we talked about Vermont gas having that lease program how mind blowing would it be if Burlington Electric Department also had a lease program for these appliances and for insulation it kind of solves the the incentive problem and I know Brian Pines been bothering BED for a long time to it would be great if all you guys bothered BED to do that as well I think it would be a really important program because we Vermont has energy efficiency codes Burlington has energy efficiency code they don't really get implemented except maybe new buildings or big buildings you know I have a fixer upper we had to get permits we're tearing into walls putting in insulation I'm going to hey building inspector you want to check my insulation to make sure this is right no I don't want to hear about that right so there's a limit to how much regulations can do it'd be great to have programs that make the incentives aligned for for these people would be great I just want to say Jake this was a great presentation and I'm a huge fan since we're talking about BED I also want to let people know that Burlington Electric Department is instead of working on things like this and helping residents build more efficient houses they're also at the same time choosing to and I don't agree with how they're going about this they're choosing to remove parking in Burlington's old north end and low income neighborhoods to make way for charging stations for electric vehicles and I understand that it's future thinking in terms of infrastructure for electric vehicles but it's really they're just using the in my opinion they're just using the poor communities to experiment on these projects and Jean I would also sorry to put you on the spot again but you're on to I would like you to please advocate but not just the old north end gets experimented on with electric vehicle infrastructure and that they maybe even drop that plan so they can spend way more time and energy on working on projects like Jake's just explained to us so beautifully thank you we can we can raise that and I know Andrea that they're reevaluating the the Roe Street project I think well there you go so you know I mean that's an example of people organizing and getting something done of course like the balloon that you you squeeze it pops up somewhere else so yeah that would be a good thing and we should continue to we should talk about the ways that we can bring that to the Duke what Jake's describing would impact so many more people in the city the city's electric vehicle parking is gonna impact six parking spots in the city and it's gonna make poor people have to pay for their parking and I think it's a bad idea all right I think I got to ask you guys some more questions who is excited anybody no alright maybe that was a that was a bad question but who guy who who who is excited to think about their fossil fuels and what they could do about them now and I don't know gosh you guys I've got three minutes I'm not gonna use three minutes we're done you guys have any more questions no let's get out of here oh we got one over there I'll just you know piggy back off of the EV parking EV definitely isn't like personally I don't think it's the future forward it's public transportation yeah you can't make a huge difference if we're just continuing a future with everyone using cars and I think when we talk about a future a green energy future we need to talk about where our EV batteries from because lithium and cobalt are from minerals in the Congo and where our refugees who live here from they're from places like the Congo so if we want to make the world a better place when we talk about energy and a green future we need to talk about it as a global issue and think about not just a green energy for us Americans but a green energy future for the world and I think that often gets left out and like gentrifying and thinking we're making the world a better place with an EV car just isn't true if that EV car is made out of slave labor that's not really about your talk but I don't know it just makes me think about that anyone else have any other questions Andrea wants us to do this again you guys ready okay amazing thank you so much okay our next presenter is here to talk about solar eclipse all right thank you guys I'm glad to be here at words two three I'm Zach Williamson I'm the festival event director at Burlington City Arts I'm also a Ward one resident I was last year I think in 2018 to talk about highlight which at that time was the first year of the New Year's Eve celebration after first night folded so I'm glad to be back I also installed the sound system which is buzzing so I'm gonna look into that for you guys that's not good anyways as you all know probably I should hope that because it's finally getting the attention it deserves on April 8th which is a Monday we are extremely fortunate and I do want you to think of the fortunate side of all this to be experienced a total solar eclipse right here in Burlington we haven't had a total solar eclipse here since 1932 and the next one will not be in any of our lifetimes it'll be in 2106 it's a good 82 years ago so my son Isaac hopefully you can live to 92 and you will be there exactly you could be on vpr and talk about how you remember it like they had someone on who is a hundred years old just recently anyways so it is a really amazing event we are calling it if you obscure a BTV the really amazing thing about this is that this is a true city collaboration as we just heard not all city departments always work together in a great way but this has I'm here from Burlington City Arts and we have other people at Burlington City Arts leading this but we also meet weekly and work very closely with Burlington workforce and development that's the group that does love Burlington and overseas Church Street as well and is interested in Burlington work development workforce development DPW is playing a big role in this in terms of streets traffic planning signage parking that involves a bunch of different departments with our divisions within DPW Burlington Electric is involved because we're trying to turn off some street lights and that's not easy and Parks and Recreation is heavily involved because all of our activations in terms of viewing sites which I'll talk about happen in city parks and we need their support in so many ways so it is a really cool thing which is definitely happening just to I have to go here I think there we go just to give you a sense of it you can look all this stuff up yourself as well but this is happening across the United States starting in Texas they will have obviously totality before us and making its way up into the northeast section of the country and there we are we're right on the tail end and for our timing if you haven't seen that the partial eclipse will start at 2 14 and that's going to be where the Sun is just partly obscured and it takes that really kind of eerie orange look if you guys remember in September we had a partial eclipse here it wasn't nearly the news that we're going to make this time around because it is just a partial eclipse those are still cool but not all that rare and then as it'll get much darker as we go through the afternoon and at 3 26 is when the total solar eclipse begins it lasts an amazing three minutes which is not a long time but actually will be tremendously awesome and we're gonna talk about that in a second and then from 3 29 back to 4 37 we work our way from darkness back to a typical afternoon in April and that's when the the actual eclipse ends and will be the Sun will be obstructed at that time just to talk about totality I am not an expert and I have not I'm not a eclipse seeker so I haven't gone around the world like some people do searching out totality experiences but it is by all counts remarkable and not something to be missed I urge all of you to make time on this day and watch the world stop in your worlds it's quiet hopefully it's dark the temperature will drop because it's there's literally no Sun affecting our area nightlife starts to make different sounds because they think it's nighttime and it usually gets much colder also it's temperatures can drop as much as 10 degrees and by the lake will definitely feel that even more so it is and if you listen to like Mark Breen's been talking about on VPR he's been talking about sunset is 360 degrees around you on the horizon there's really really amazing unique things and people who happen happen to experience this once in their life do become fans of this they say it's transformational it's emotional it's amazing and they then get hooked and that's how you end up having so many people making the way to Burlington because people travel around the world to experience this they really do they will book a trip to Australia if there's gonna be an eclipse there and they certainly will travel in different places to catch this and not miss it so I think it's gonna be awesome just to talk about this time in one more a little bit more we do have eclipse glasses and those are these lovely branded glasses we the city ordered 50,000 of these so we're ready every NPA gets 500 so that was part of our thank you to the city council they all use some of their funds to help fund that so each NPA gets 500 of these and I do urge you to grab them there's a bunch back there I saw because otherwise they are $3 would you can buy a Burlington City Arts and we'll have available all of our sites but certainly we want the community to be prepared these if you haven't worn eclipse glasses before it is it is a welding mask you cannot see through them so you don't wear them the whole time it would be very dark you only have to wear them if you're looking directly at the Sun so if we're just talking like this and the Sun's over there you don't want to be wearing these because I wouldn't be able to see who you're talking to you certainly can't drive a car with them on all those good things so you only need them when you are literally looking at the Sun and you do want them it is very dangerous once you start to put one to start to obscure the Sun the rays become even stronger and it will damage your eyes so it is truly a safety thing these are all like NASA ISO 12312-2 rated and so it is an important thing to do the only time you can look up there and you don't need these which I'm honestly hesitant to say but everyone kind of knows it is during totality so once the Sun is completely obscured and you just see that ring around the edge it is safe enough to look up there with your naked eye and experience that for two and a half to three minutes and then you need to put them back on if you're gonna look up there once the Sun starts to be more visible also just a note if you're using a cell phone to take a picture we are we are also selling solar busy solar little things you can put behind your cell phone camera to take a picture because the lens is not meant to take a picture of an obscured Sun if you're using a telescope you need to have the right filter on that we don't have those but you should get them if you're gonna take any kind of photo or picture or video you need to have a lens on there because it is not safe to do without that that's a bit of a safety for you I don't need to talk but this but this would interest you road closures this map you probably can't see you can find this on our website this does affect you people quite a bit so as you can see I'll just move up here I guess really what we're trying to do here is two things we're trying to create safe pedestrian passage for thousands of people are coming to Burlington and we're also trying to park a lot of cars because we are expecting a large number of cars to drive here this is April parking in fields if we had any really art isn't an option the mud the rain it could be bad so we knew we had to do on a hard surface UVM is in session so can't be July 3rd and we can't use gutters in parking or anything like that and so we are closing I'll get your question one second I see you thanks we are closing route 127 and we are gonna be parking cars out there so this road closes at 10 a.m. as you can see people coming off the interstate will come down to Willard drive up to Pearl head out on Champlain and then park out here and so all of route 127 from Manhattan to Platsburg have including the on ramp here on North Street North Ave will be closed from 10 a.m. until 8 p.m. and we'll start parking cars out there at 11 30 a.m. and then we are running working with GMT and Premier coach quite a shuttle bus system which involves closing Park Street to make it a two-lane road a two-directional road and it will deliver people down here by one main street technically on Lake Street and then cycle back up so with this close with this action of parking out here we had to take the July 3rd method flip it 90 degrees because that usually sources out of UVM and and use this area here and buses will cycle back and forth that means that we're also closing North Ave at North Street and the side streets get affected because you can't actually get onto battery or park do you want me to stop here and take a question related to road closures yeah yeah go for it I kind of nerd out on the transportation piece and I'm sorry to put you on the spot on this but you should join our team yeah I am I will say I love what you've done so far and I'm disappointed that the old North End has taking the brunt of this issue and I'm so confused why the one to what dead 127 isn't being used why the brand new 127 that's in the South End with like roads like that could be used to park up a million people on that on those stretches and it's assuming that no one's coming into the South End which of course they are gonna be coming into the South End to go to Oakledge so I'm like hoping that there's a second half of your slide that's gonna be the South End but I know that it doesn't exist and I would really like the city to do that I are you referring when you say the 127 you're thinking of the Champlain Parkway yes yeah the Champlain Parkway I went down that road there is an issue with and this is true of like new buildings technically that we don't have insurance and the ownership of that roadway until that project is done so we are not allowed to use that roadway for public transportation or parking until like basically the keys are handed to us so the contractor in the city it's not ours yet so I did I did look at that I scoured Google Maps for days being like there must be some place thank you what about the like literally the where people from Howard Center Park that is actually like a parking area in the like dead zone of what once was the 120 or the Champlain Parkway like innovation center is that we're thinking of no oh I say we're talking about yes so it's used as parking now so I would assume it's insured yeah I I can look into that we start to run into problems when we have multiple so one of the attractive things about 127 as we can fit thousands of cars up there in one felt swoop it means one circuit of transportation once I started looking at satellite options like the Howard Center like the Innovation Center parking I looked at the Tesla where Hanifords used to be and Lowe's that parking then I start having to have quite a transportation network with a lot of buses moving people in a lot of places so ends up being a much larger project and expense to start to have isolated parking options so route 127 took the took the lead because we can fit so many people out there but I do I do get it I will talk more about this in a second and it hopefully isn't as painful as it sounds but yes thank you so so one thing that is clear here is we are not saying that people who live on the street can't get other driveways and we're not saying you can't get home there will be local so these track these roads all will say so this is one way going this way it says road close ahead local traffic only appears as local traffic only and there is a police officer there and a green mountain flagger so if you say I live on this stretch you can proceed slowly with your flashers on and certainly get home and if you live in your in you want to leave your house in that afternoon you can back out and drive down and no one will you're not going to get in trouble right so you have to be aware what is really different is that this is a two directional not a one-way street so don't be surprised when a bus is coming at you you want to stay on the right side of the road as if it is a double yellow line down the middle not a one-way two lane road North Street stays open so you can cross here any residents in the New North end can get come down and go over or they can traverse across Manhattan Drive but you do want to avoid getting down in here because this is closed as well we're expecting a lot of people in Battery Park on Battery Street and down at the waterfront and we're thinking two to three size the times of July 3rd so it is a significant number of people down here and that's why these roads are closed as well so it's it's a lot of it potentially a lot of people if it's a gorgeous day like it was today people are going to certainly come here that is the that is the piece of that these roads this is road is closed starting at 10 because we have to set it up and there's gonna be bathrooms out there and security and different elements and bus stops we have to create so it's a bit of infrastructure load-in time starting at 10 that's why these roads can close a little bit later there's less to do here and we did try to some people were thought I was crazy for starting them when I did and said it's already gonna be a mess you've waited too long you need to close them at 7 in the morning but we're gonna I wanted to thread that needle as close as we could so we're going for 11 for the vast number of shut of closures to let people do their morning routine get where they need to go we are really thinking honestly we don't know but I don't think it's a door buster I got to get to water from park at 6 a.m. I think it's people are gonna arrive closer to 11 and noon and one this clip doesn't start till 2 14 so hopefully we have some time to get people where they need to go in the morning and then start to close up roads after that we also are closing this little stretch here of St. Paul Street like we do for the BTV market we're putting some food trucks here and this will be the what we're calling the obscure after party so most entertainment which I'll talk about ends at 5 o'clock in these other parks but City Hill Park goes till 8 o'clock and we're trying to bring people back up to the downtown stimulate our downtown economy with all these visitors load up the restaurants feed as many faces as we can and also we have some food options there because we don't want people to not get a place to eat or chance to eat so that's the idea there we have these official viewing sites a note on this you all obviously can see this from where you live the Sun is gonna be in the southwest it's where it was on a day in September and we were in Roosevelt Park we were in a bunch of different places and it's it's high in the sky and should be very visible from most places right in your backyards and that was some of the motivation behind us giving glasses to the NPAs if you if you don't want to get into the the madness of many many people down a waterfront park you're encouraged to stay in your neighborhoods do something together I know one arts is doing something with with their own materials and working with our materials and I think that's awesome and we're really encouraging all NPAs to activate and do something in their neighborhoods to give people an option who don't want to deal with a lot a lot of people downtown the flip side of that is we have these viewing sites these are both for residents and for visitors but we're encouraging people to go to Waterfront Park for sure we have entertainment from one to five the entire park is going to be used with a distributed sound system so you can hear throughout the park we're thrilled to have Micah Helley obviously from Burlington Plain Ali T is a performer from Southern South Royalton Vermont she's going to get her car really early and get up here so she doesn't miss it she I didn't even realize when I hired it but she's total a T very clever but that's really her how she performs and then DJ Kwame who's a DJ N95 triple X will play after the eclipse at every site that we talk about we're going to have two merchandise tents we're selling glasses we're selling t-shirts sweatshirts stickers magnets commutative postcards and amazing silk screen posters I'm going to talk about merch in a minute we have two of those we have information points in the park here just for people who don't know where they're going and need to know where the bathrooms are how to where they should go we just wanted to give some people who knew could point people in the right direction we are working with Echo we're thrilled to be working with them and they're going to be doing an educational tent both in Waterfront Park and in Battery Park to bring some of the science to the party they also have we worked with them and purchase their their posters over there you should definitely check them out it's really great work and they've kind of made a exhibition style display that the NPAs are getting but will also be available in the parks as well we'll have food food trucks down in the Waterfront Park 30 bathrooms ABC 22 will be down there we're working closely with WCAX their media sponsor they'll be doing a live broadcast from the park and do their four o'clock show there and their five o'clock news and their six o'clock news we are closing the boat launch by the Coast Guard Station and on Monday the skate park parking lot will be closed as well because we need to fit a lot of staff cars into there and vending vending space on Battery Park we have the all night boogie band playing in the band shell there after that's before totality after totality DJ disco phantom is in the band shell should be a great party we'll have merchandise and glasses another information point and another echo educational tent 16 bathrooms there Battery Street on the southbound side we're gonna allow people to gather in two lanes there that's the side closest to the Greenway and the J. Kaluw is gonna perform at the end of that closer to College Street they're gonna kind of make that awesome and we'll have another merchandise tent there as well that's really kind of an overflow if people can't get down where they want to go or we just are running out of space we have the street there to use we also have some less program sites including Perkins Pier Oak Ledge Park and the Letty Park are probably our most chill unprogrammed sites I will say at Oak Ledge Park we're focusing on accessibility using the universal playground for all there we have the really great light light sensing units that were written about and we contacted the scientists and we have two of these coming where they based on light they produce sound so if you are vision impaired you can hear the solar eclipse in a way which will be really interesting and we'll also have bathrooms there and merchandise Perkins Pier is pretty quiet there's a parking lot there BPRW is charging to park cars there and then as I mentioned City Hall Park we have DJ crowd control in the afternoon and then for the after party we have the UVM Band the Moondogs Plane and we'll have food trucks and vending there as well downtown we'll have bathrooms starting on Friday so there'll be I think six bathrooms on Cherry Street right against OGE where that mural is we do that for Festival Fools also but trying to provide some level of service and then down in City Hall Park in addition to the permanent bathroom there and City Hall and BCA we'll have another four bathrooms three three or four bathrooms down there throughout the weekend as well and oh I didn't talk about Roosevelt I'm sorry you're right can I forget Roosevelt Park is gonna be awesome we are making that kind of I mean any of these are appropriate for families but Roosevelt Park is really being built out for families and some music they're gonna stream the NASA live stream which is gonna be really cool so if by chance it's a cloudy day and they will get to see it there we looked into doing that just so you know in Waterfront Park but we couldn't afford big enough screens we're very expensive and we'll have Miss Vermont that's none of their miss Vermont is coming to Roosevelt Park and some other great activities happening in Roosevelt Park so that should be a lot of fun for sure I encourage you to check out our website at burlingtoneclipse.org I could well I'll show you quickly I think I have to unshare and reshare boom boom so this is that is the website it's got some basic information but what's really cool we have our clock is this right here there are an amazing number of events happening throughout Burlington these lists Burlington events and they start you know up here on March 13th all the way through we are presenting these totality talks with UVM professors we have one on March our first one on March 28th one on April 4th and one on April 5th but we're thrilled to be helping to promote and helping to give a platform to all the great people who do things in in this area including radio bean and hula's up here and echoes up here and paint and sip is up here and VTIF and a lot of great things are happening so definitely check this out it's worth looking at it and just seeing the number of things that are happening is really really great so that was one of our goals in this was to not just do our own stuff but to help people do their stuff I want to call attention to one thing that I think is going to be amazing personally very exciting about Zoe Keating is always going to be playing at the Universal Union the first Unitarian Universalist Church on Saturday April 5th 6th 6th and Roost World is opening for Zoe and then Alex Reeves from Vanishworks is an amazing projection designer he'll be there and Liggy Lights will be there as well so I think it's gonna be an amazing show to see and look at I think it's super cool we did something like this was Zoe two years ago from New Year's Eve but we're psyched to have her back and then also Randall Pierce is doing a song to the moon down here live accompaniment to silent films about the eclipse so it should be pretty inventive awesome programming there as well and also so I encourage you to check it out we also have our merch here there's information about parking in relation to glasses and safety our viewing sites and then there is a whole bunch of FAQs so if you have any questions this is a good first place to go what is this where can I park our bikes allowed our dogs allowed can I bring a drone where can I eat lots of things I will say this one down here how can I help if you are so inclined we are looking for volunteers we have a lot of things to do on this day and a lot of people are needed the city team is stepping up a lot of people are leaving their desks for the day and jumping on the boat to help us put this all on but if you are one a type of person who likes to volunteer we welcome you and you can send a link to a bacher that's Andrew bacher the address is right there and we will happily teach you the limited things you need to know to help us out and welcome you to the to the crazy scene that is going to be lastly I think that is really it actually you all got a mail or I think about the info session is happening on March 21st that's a week from today in Contos at or met six o'clock a lot of this information I just said will be there also so you may not need to go but if you're inclined we'll have some other people woman from NASA who works at UVM will be talking about the science of all this and I encourage you guys to go would also be streamed on channel 17 with that I'm happy to answer any questions that anybody might have about the eclipse my own son don't hear me talk about this enough this actually isn't a question oh I've just heard him talk about this a lot so according to him there's gonna be like 30,000 people in Browington so if you want to like invite anyone don't do it close to the eclipse do it like Thursday or Friday so it's really good advice Aiden thank you he told me yeah that's on the low side it I think low is 30,000 some people are saying many more than that 50 60 70 but you can only fit so many people in here I didn't talk about public safety but just so you know we are we have done this from the beginning with Burlington Police and Burlington Fire any firefighter who can work any police officer who can work is working and we are as ready as we can be for any type of situation and to keep just our general city safe during all of us but it is a busy weekend for everybody just to follow up thank you so much for explanation yeah like what if the 127 lot fills up yeah it's a good question we we can park a lot of cars out there but if it does get full we would change our variable message signs there's gonna be one at Maine and Willard we would stop sending people there we certainly at that point would probably already be full in terms of street parking or garage parking so it would start to back up we think up through UVM and towards the interstate because it'll be a point where we just can't park any more cars so parking on the interstate would be the backup plan well it's not my backup plan but it's it's a definitely a potential but but I and that's that's to say too that you are working with the state police with this as well right so it's like there that if that overflow happens it's not going to be chaos there's some there's some contingencies that you put together yes so I've met with the Vermont emergency management which involves state police and Department Agency of Transportation as they call it so agency of transportation is activating their zone and being ready and the Vermont state police are they have their hands full so they are staying at their barracks they're basing their work out of the barracks in Williston as opposed to like July 3rd they move a whole section of people down to the waterfront but because there are eclipse activities happening throughout the area they're staying more centrally located but yeah they are we've all talked about the on ramp from the interstate and we the kind of worst-case scenario is that we run out of parking and at totality or just before people just stop driving in the middle of the road to get out of their car it happens it's happened in other places it's not the end of the world it's just people have to wait like the world kind of does stop in that time definitely if you can walk if you can bike if you can find other means of transportation this is a good time to do it awesome well yeah thank you guys so much feel free to shoot us an email or go to our website and thank you conversations if anyone has any thoughts on that or we could break early I should we should do the raffle so we'll do the raffle and then anyone can and anyone who wants to go also can do that Andrea is there an Andrea here no okay no other Andrea's okay Andrew you might win just by default at this point um Meg thank you for staying till the end okay so in that case I'm gonna say let's break unless anyone has any dying conversation topics break let's clean up