 Fans feeling a new sense of pride following their historic eight-run win over Australia in the second and final test, which ended on Sunday morning, Caribbean time at the Gabba. The win is ending a 27-year win streak down on the Shamar Joseph, who was doubtful for the final day after an injury to his toe, made his way onto the field to deliver a fire spell of 7 for 68, the best figures by a West Indian in a fourth innings against Australia. Joseph's spell helped dismiss the hosts for 207 in their pursuit of 215. Picking up from their overnight score of 2 for 60, Steve Smith was left not out on 91, while Cameron Green contributed 42. Alzar Joseph took 2 for 62 in support of Shamar as the winners leveled the series at 1 apiece. Windy Skipper, Craig Brathwaite, had words for Australian analyst the former fastballer Rodney Hogg during the post-match presentation, but before him, let's hear from the Aussie captain Pat Cummings. My message to the group is that this is the beginning. I don't think it's a mere thing, we enjoy this, but I think this has to continue. I was obviously disappointed after I lost, but that was a fantastic test match and a fantastic series. I thought in particular Shamar, the way he bowed today, he was right up for it, and unfortunately we're good enough. Yeah, there you have it from Craig Brathwaite first, and then the Australian captain Pat Cummings following the historic win for the West Indies over Australia at the Gamba in Brisbane on Sunday. Let's get Fazir Mohamed in on this discussion as we look back at what was an incredible game, an incredible performance from the West Indies, a stunning victory, and a stunning effort from Shamar Joseph on the final day after he had been struck on the toe, forced to retire hurt on the penultimate, what turned out to be the penultimate day of the test match. Fazir, welcome. I feel as if it's the sort of day where I just open the floor and say to you, say whatever you want to open this discussion. Well, Ricardo, I'm just glad that there's been a day and a piece to sort of absorb what went on precisely just after three o'clock in the morning, Eastern Caribbean time just after two, in Jamaica. But even with all that time, it's really difficult to fathom. It's not so much about being at a loss for words, but trying to place it in context. And in the start of the show, I think you all encapsulated the remarkable story of Shamar Joseph. I mean, even if the West Indies had lost the match, even if at the end, they had won by eight wickets, Shamar Joseph was already a star of this two match series, but to hit the top of our stomach and to really culminate in the dramatic manner in which he did. I mean, it's beyond the stuff of dreams. And then you almost have to say, well, you know, what else can he do from here? But really, it is the sort of performance individually that really you hope will be lift, not just his teammates, because I'm sure it has already, but everyone associated with West Indies cricket and to recognize that can this be a platform? Can this be the springboard? Because we've had moments before, famous victory at Headingley in 2017 over England, the triple crown of 2016, winning in Sharjah against Pakistan in 2016. But it hasn't been that springboard. So I will just leave it for the moment and say that, look, there's so much to absorb and put in context in relation to not just that victory, but the fighting spirit of the West Indies in the two test matches, that you can only hope that it can really mean something far more meaningful for the players themselves and for West Indies test match cricket in particular. Yeah, very much the case. As we have seen in the last 25, 30 years, West Indies performances and you referenced some of them in another format or in other formats, the T20 format, the 50 over format. But even in the test format, we've had, you know, those small victories. I remember England being bowled out for 51, I think it was West Indies winning that encounter, chasing 417 against Australia, the world record that was in the Caribbean. But this victory, does it, and not to fall into the trap of recency bias, but does this one, does this one stand out in a more significant way to you? Of course it does, because of all those factors that you've already mentioned, Brisbane, which carries the nickname not just of the Gabba, but the Gabba Tua, because it's a place where usually visiting teams are ripped to pieces with the exception of course of India three years ago. Before that you have to go back to 1989 and the West Indies as well, winning at that venue. And that was the time when the West Indies were the most dominant force in the history of the game. So yes, there is going to be recency bias because many are asking, is this the greatest test match victory for the West Indies? I think it's too early to say. I think it's the greatest upset victory in the history of West Indies test match cricket. Again, for all those reasons, the rank of the West Indies, the rank of Australia playing at the Gabba or all of the other factors tied into it, I see it as the greatest upset victory in the history of West Indies test match cricket. But there's so much else to absorb in relation to West Indies cricket before we go that route of branding it as the greatest victory ever. And again, I think it's very important, Ricardo Mariah Lance, to again be mindful that West Indies needs to escape from that trap of individual moments as you just referred to Ricardo, because the next series is going to be against England in England. It's really up to the West Indies to take advantage of the 40 tournament coming up, proper preparation, to show that when they step on the field at Trenbridge in July, in the early days of July, that they have that same level of commitment, fighting spirit, dedication, and quality to carry this on beyond this celebratory experience. Yeah. And you have made the point so often on this show, Faz, and even while not directly just know that the West Indies will not play a test match cricket again until July. And so such a long time between now and then to build on the success that we had in Australia. But I do want to get your thoughts on the reactions, especially from some Australians. Tim Payne criticizing Adam Gilchrist for his celebration with Brian Lara at the end of the match. Also some criticism coming in for Justin Lange, who apparently was giving some of the West Indies batsmen tips, I guess, on how to deal with the Australian wickets, or maybe just generally on how to improve criticism for comments as well on how glowing he was of the West Indies performance at the post-match press conference. Although that seemed to change slightly at the post-match presentation, although that seemed to change slightly at the press conference, your own thoughts on the reactions to the reaction of West Indies winning. You'll always find people who take exception to you praising your opponents after they've beaten you because those individuals are locked into that stone age mentality that this is a war, that you have to hit one another, that you have to go to the point of insulting each other. And if that is happening in Australia, as I'm sure it is, and it's happened in the Caribbean because you hear people making all sorts of comments about the opposition and turning a blind eye to what's going on with their own teams, I would reference again Australia and 1960-61, the way the Australians welcomed that team led by the late great Frank Warrell and maybe they should learn why the trophy that was being held up a bit embarrassingly by the captain of Australia because the team had just lost. Why it's called the Frank Warrell trophy? Why it was named after Frank Warrell and of Richie Beno who was the opposing captain, both men who played that series hard, fair, fierce on the field but always in the right spirit of the game. And therefore whether it's a Rodney Hogg, whether it's whoever, whether it's anybody in the Caribbean who takes exception to people praising opponents and loading their efforts and their sportsmanship and so on, they need so it's therefore to grow up and secondly to realise that the Stone Age was a few thousand years ago. Yeah and just to add to that as you know Pat Cummings after you know exchanged his playing shoot with Shamar Joseph especially because everybody understood the context of Shamar playing, the story was making the headlines even before Shamar decided to do anything spectacular. And then you have Ian Healy criticizing Pat Cummings saying that you know maybe he should just focus on Australia and their shortcomings because there were a lot of shortcomings and you know just singling all the fact that a captain has recognised another player and his talent. Forgive me again Mariah for referencing 6061 but Frank Warrell presented his blazer to Richie Beno, he called it his body, presented his scalp, called it his scalp. And and again that's why you know it's so disappointing when you have inclusion no better leave it for us non-players leave it as far as fly-by-night fanatics and poor losers to behave like that because when you're in the cut and thrust of high-level international competition from what I have seen whether close quarters or for some considerable distance there's a healthy respect for your opponent there's a there's a lot of aggro on the field no question about it but there's a healthy respect to the point where you are happily willing to acknowledge what they would have achieved not that you're happy that they win that they've beaten you but you're happy to see the fruits of their labour even if in some cases it's at your own expense yeah there's a reason they call it the gentleman's game so I think it doesn't it's not called that for no reason right the Mariah we don't have time to spare for that that talk about a gentleman's game one of these good days I'll give you my context on the gentleman's game hopefully never say that again all right well I'm looking forward to hear that Farz so we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back because we're going to pick up this cricket discussion I wish Farz would tell me no