 He's known as the godfather of combat control, so he's been around for a really long time. He's jumped in on Operation Just Cause. He was there for Desert Storm, Desert Shield. Desert Storm, he was the first combat controller to call in the first aircraft in for landing when they liberated the Kuwait International Airport. So we really wanted to focus on all these operational things he did because some of the stuff is just phenomenal, you know, some of the stories. The legend that I got to work with, who's Chief Mass Sergeant Wayne Orad, who's a combat controller and retired actually as the command chief, senior enlisted leader for AFSOC. To be able to work with somebody like him is a highlight of my career for sure. So I started as an air traffic controller, did a few years doing that. I then switched over to be a joint-termal attack controller, so attack P in the USAF and did that. So my 13-plus years in the Canadian Air Force got through tons of fun things and been to so many cool places. And the other student that was doing the interview with me, Major Mike Redding, is an AFSOC pilot as well. So there was a really good, solid connection between the three of us. Lots of experiences that they both had together were very similar, both being in the AFSOC community and then me being in similar occupation fields lined up really well for us. One thing we ended up focusing on a lot was the officer enlisted relationship. He gave us some very interesting stories about how a command team should operate together and how an officer needs to treat their chief, their senior enlisted, their command chief. Because at the end of the day, when he was a squadron chief master sergeant, he had a lot of time in the military. He had a lot of experience, way more than a squadron commander had at the time. One of the interesting stories was they were voting on a specific course of action for the special tactics squadron was going to take. And it came down to a vote and the squadron commander said, hey, we're going to bring you in the whole squadron, we're going to vote on this. And the chief didn't vote and the commander followed him into his office. After as a chief, I noticed he didn't vote with everybody else. And his response was, that's because I'm not everybody else. I'm your command team partner. I'm a chief master sergeant in the United States Air Force. My vote doesn't count the same as everybody else. And you need to give me that respect. And after that, he said the relationship was really, really good after that. But they had to lay that foundation, lay that work. But sitting down for a complete day and talking to chief was and listening to his experiences, things that kind of lined up with my experiences and things that didn't at all. Just a phenomenal learning experience. Great opportunity.